* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [ Call to Order ] [00:00:04] THE TIME IS NOW 6:00 PM OUR REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR AUGUST 20TH, 2024 IS NOW IN SESSION. FIRST ON THE AGENDA AS COUNCIL MEMBER BROWN WOULD LEAD US WITH THE OPENING PRAYER AND THE PLEDGES OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAGS OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE STATE OF TEXAS. PLEASE RISE. GOOD EVENING. LET'S PRAY. THANK YOU LORD FOR THE GIFT THAT HIS SHIRTS AND GUIDE US TOWARDS A SOLID FUTURE AS WE DISCUSS OUR BUDGET, TAXES, AND OTHER WORLDLY ISSUES. HELP US MAINTAIN OUR FOCUS HERE FOR THE GOOD OF ALL THE CITIZENS, BOTH NOW AND IN THE FUTURE. PROTECT OUR STAFF AND FIRST RESPONDERS AS THEY WORK TO KEEP US HEALTHY AND SAFE, AND KEEP OUR COMMUNITY IN GOOD SPIRITS AS WE DEAL WITH THE DIFFICULTIES OF DAILY LIFE ON EARTH. IN YOUR NAME WE PRAY. AMEN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL, HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD. ONE AN INDIVISIBLE. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER BROWN. ALL [ City Events and Announcements Announcements of upcoming City Events (B. James/S. Gonzalez) Announcements and recognitions by the City Manager (S. Williams) Announcements and recognitions by the Mayor (R. Gutierrez)] RIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON. UH, CITY ANNOUNCEMENTS, UH, UH, ANNOUNCEMENTS OF UPCOMING EVENTS. MR. JAMES. THANK YOU, MAYOR. ALRIGHT, EVERYBODY'S EXCITED. COMING UP ON AUGUST 23RD AND 24TH, THAT'S, I BELIEVE FRIDAY AND SATURDAY WE HAVE THE LIBRARY BAG SALE, UH, WHICH IS FROM THE READ BEFORE BOOKSTORE SALE. THAT'S 10:00 AM TO 5:00 PM AT SHIRTS LIBRARY HERE AT 79 8 SHIRTS PARKWAY. AND FOR FIVE BUCKS YOU CAN FILL A BAG WITH BOOKS INSURES FOR $5. THAT'S A LOT OF BOOKS YOU CAN CRAM INTO A BAG. NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, SEPTEMBER 3RD, 6:00 PM HERE AT COUNCIL CHAMBERS. THANK YOU, MR. JAMES. THE ANNOUNCEMENTS AND RECOGNITIONS BY OUR CITY MANAGER, MR. WILLIAMS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. WE HAD SEVERAL PROMOTIONS THIS MONTH. WE HAD CHRISTOPHER MEEK WAS PROMOTED TO FIRE CAPTAIN NICOLE SOSA. STERLING MOVED TO A POLICE OFFICER FROM RECRUIT TO POLICE. OFFICER AIDEN MARTIN, UH, WAS PROMOTED TO PARAMEDIC. CATHERINE MEYERS PROMOTED TO POLICE OFFICER FROM A RECRUIT, KATHERINE MYERS. KATHERINE MYERS, UH, I'M SORRY, CARL SCHULZE IS A BATTALION CHIEF. ZACHARY LOWRY, JASON TIM RACK, AND JUSTIN SCHWARZ ALL PROMOTED TO FIRE. LIEUTENANT ZACHARY EWT WENT TO FIRE APPARATUS OPPOSITE OP, EXCUSE ME, FIRE APPARATUS OPERATOR, DONALD BINKY, FIRE APPARATUS OPERATOR, KEVIN HOSE, FIRE APPARATUS OPERATOR, AND ERIC HERZOG, FIRE APPARATUS OPERATOR. ALSO, WE HAD JOHN PERRY WHO PROMOTED INTO THE ASSISTANT CHIEF POSITION. AND LASTLY, MATTHEW GARCIA IS PROMOTED TO FIRE APPARATUS, OFFICER, OPERATOR, EXCUSE ME, A TONGUE TWISTER THERE. REALLY PROUD OF ALL THOSE FOLKS MOVING UP WITHIN OUR ORGANIZATION AND TAKING ON A BIGGER ROLE AND MORE RESPONSIBILITY IN DOING A GREAT JOB DOING IT. ALSO, I WANNA SAY, UH, WELL, WELL, WE CELEBRATED NATIONAL PURPLE HARD DAY ON THE 7TH OF AUGUST. AND FOR THE, THE SACRIFICE AND COURAGE FOR OUR FOLKS THAT WERE WOUNDED AND POLICE ALUMNI ASSOCIATION, I WANNA GIVE THEM THANKS FOR VOLUNTEERING THEIR TIME AND THEIR EFFORTS TO THE START OF THE SCHOOL YEAR, HELPING US AT THE CROSSWAY AT CONN DRIVE, MAKING SURE THAT OUR STUDENTS GET SAFELY ACROSS THE STREET THERE. AND, UH, THAT IS IT, MAYOR. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. ANNOUNCEMENTS AND RECOGNITIONS BY THE MAYOR. I JUST WANNA SAY CONGRATULATIONS TO OUR CITY STAFF ON YOUR PROMOTIONS WELL DESERVED. WE'LL [ Hearing of Residents This time is set aside for any person who wishes to address the City Council. Each person should fill out the speaker’s register prior to the meeting. Presentations should be limited to no more than 3 minutes. All remarks shall be addressed to the Council as a body, and not to any individual member thereof. Any person making personal, impertinent, or slanderous remarks while addressing the Council may be requested to leave the meeting. All handouts and/or USB devices must be submitted to the City Secretary no later than noon on the Monday preceding the meeting. Handouts will be provided to each Councilmember prior to the start of the meeting by the City Secretary. All USB devices will be vetted by City IT staff to ensure City property is protected from malware. Discussion by the Council of any item not on the agenda shall be limited to statements of specific factual information given in response to any inquiry, a recitation of existing policy in response to an inquiry, and/or a proposal to place the item on a future agenda. The presiding officer, during the Hearing of Residents portion of the agenda, will call on those persons who have signed up to speak in the order they have registered.] MOVE ON. NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS THE HEARING THE RESIDENCE. THIS TIME IS SET ASIDE FOR ANY PERSON WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL. EACH PERSON IS LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES, AND WE ASK BEFORE ADDRESSING THE COUNCIL FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. NOW, WE DO HAVE THE HEARING OF RESIDENCE WHERE YOU CAN SIGN IN, AND WE ALSO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING. UH, SO YOU'RE, UH, I THINK WE HAVE ONE PERSON THAT SIGNED UP. YOU CAN SPEAK AT BOTH IF YOU'D LIKE TO. THE CHOICE IS YOURS, MAYOR PRO TEMP. PLEASE CALL FIRST SPEAKER JESSE WARD. GOOD EVENING. HOW ARE Y'ALL TODAY? UH, I CAME TO TALK TO THE CITY COUNCIL ABOUT, EXCUSE ME, I HATE TO INTERRUPT MY NAME. AN ADDRESS, I'M SORRY. JESSE WARD, 500 BROOKS AVENUE. THANK YOU, SIR. I, I CAME TO TALK ABOUT THE TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT OR THE TRAFFIC LAW ENFORCEMENT IN OUR CITY. I'VE BEEN A MEAGER RESIDENT OF THIS AREA SINCE, WELL, THE [00:05:01] LAST 61 YEARS, AND I'VE NEVER SEEN TRAFFIC AS ATROCIOUS AS IT IS RIGHT NOW. IN THE LAST WEEK, I'VE BEEN PASSED BY PEOPLE DRIVING DOWN ARROW WHEN I WAS DRIVING 20 MILES AN HOUR IN EXCESS OF 30 MILES OVER THE SPEED LIMIT. IN ADDITION TO THAT, I, IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP OF WHERE MY RESIDENCE IS, I LIVE ON THE CORNER OF LINDBERGH, WHICH APPEARS TO BE THE NEW SAN ANTONIO RACEWAY. IN ADDITION TO THAT, I HAVE FIVE, FIVE FAMILY MEMBERS THAT OWN PROPERTIES IN THE CITY, ONE OF WHICH WORKS OFF OF MAIN STREET. HE FEELS LIKE EVERY TIME HE PULLS OUT ON MAIN STREET, IT IS A, UH, HE'S TAKING HIS LIFE INTO HIS OWN HANDS BETWEEN THE CARS BLOCKING THE VIEW AND THE SPEEDS OF PEOPLE DRIVING DOWN THE STREETS. AND EVIDENTLY, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL WERE AWARE, BUT IT APPEARS THE SPEED LIMIT ON CHURCH PARKWAY IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 45 AND 50. SO I WOULD LIKE FOR Y'ALL, AS YOU GO THROUGH THE BUDGET THIS EVENING, TO PLEASE CONSIDER, UH, ADDING SOME ADDITIONAL FOCUS AND ATTENTION ON OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT. I FULLY SU UH, SUPPORT THEM AND APPRECIATE THEM, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO EXPAND THE, UH, THE POLICE FORCE A LITTLE BIT BETTER TO DO MORE HEALTH AND SAFETY AND PROTECTION OF RESIDENTS. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. MM-HMM, , WE'LL MOVE ON NEXT. ON THE, [ Consent Agenda Items The Consent Agenda is considered self-explanatory and will be enacted by the Council with one motion. There will be no separate discussion of these items unless they are removed from the Consent Agenda upon the request of the Mayor or a Councilmember.] ON THE AGENDAS, THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS, THESE ARE CONSIDERED SELF-EXPLANATORY, AND INFORMATION PACKETS ARE PROVIDED TO COUNCIL AND AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC VIEWING. THESE ITEMS REQUIRE NO SEPARATE DISCUSSION UNLESS REQUESTED BY COUNCIL. ITEM NUMBER ONE MINUTES. ITEM NUMBER TWO, APPOINTMENTS, REAPPOINTMENTS AND RESIGNATIONS OF BOARDS AND COMMITTEES. ITEM NUMBER THREE, RESOLUTION NUMBER 24 ARE 83. COUNSEL, DO ANY OF THESE NEED TO BE REMOVED FOR SEPARATE ACTION? IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS ONE, TWO, AND THREE. SO MOVE SECOND. HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCIL MEMBER WATSON AND SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER HAYWARD. ANY COMMENTS? IF NONE, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. WE CAN PUBLISH THE VOTE, PLEASE. WE HAVE SEVEN AYES, NO OBJECTIONS. MOTION PASSES. WE'LL MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION ITEMS AND ACTION ITEMS. RIGHT. ITEM NUMBER FOUR, [4. Resolution 24-R-87 - A Resolution by the City Council of the City of Schertz, Texas authorizing the purchase of an ambulance remount. (S.Willliams/J.Mabbitt)] RESOLUTION NUMBER 24 R 87. A RES RESOLUTION BY THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF CHURCHS TEXAS, AUTHORIZING THE PURCHASE OF AN AMBULANCE AND REMOUNT, MR. MA MAMET, UH, FLOOR IS YOURS. UH, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNSEL. UH, WE STILL ARE STILL SEEING, UH, LONG DELAYS, UH, WITH NEW AMBULANCE PURCHASES. RIGHT NOW THEY'RE ABOUT 15 MONTHS OUT, UH, FROM THE TIME WE ORDER TO DELIVERY. UH, SO WE ARE SEEKING APPROVAL FOR A REMOUNT, UH, FOR NEXT YEAR. UM, THAT'S WHEN WE TAKE AN EXISTING AMBULANCE, UH, TAKE THE BOX OFF AND PUT IT ON A BRAND NEW CHASSIS. UH, THERE IS SOME COST SAVINGS AND OF COURSE SOME TIME SAVINGS AS WELL. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT, COUNCIL FLOORS OPEN FOR DISCUSSION. COUNCIL MEMBER WATSON, I MOTION THAT WE APPROVE RESOLUTION 24 R 87. SECOND HAVE MOTION MADE BY COUNCIL MEMBER WATSON, SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER GIBSON. COUNCIL. ANY COMMENTS? NONE. IF YOU CAN PLEASE CAST A VOTE. WE CAN PUBLISH THE VOTE, PLEASE. WE HAVE SEVEN AYES, NO OBJECTIONS. MOTION PASSES. ALRIGHT, WE'LL [5. Resolution 24-R-97 - Authorizing the City Manager to enter into agreements with Cigna Healthcare, Delta Dental, Community Eye Care, The Hartford, Symetra and Deer Oaks for insurance coverage and employee assistance program services (S. Gonzalez/J. Kurz)] MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE, RESOLUTION NUMBER 24 R 97. AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH SIGMA HEALTHCARE. DELTA DENTAL COMMUNITY EYECARE, THE HARTFORD RA AND DEER OAKS FOR INSURANCE COVERAGE AND EMPLOYEE ASSISTANCE PROGRAM SERVICES CLOSURE. YOURS, THANK YOU SO MUCH. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. UM, I AM HERE TONIGHT WITH A PROPOSAL FOR THE EMPLOYEE INSURANCE FOR PLAN YEAR 2025. UM, IF YOU'LL RECALL, AND FIRST OF ALL, MY PREFACE IS BY SAYING I PUT TOGETHER A VERY SHORT PRESENTATION, ALL OF WHICH THE INFORMATION HAS ALREADY BEEN DISTRIBUTED TO Y'ALL AND WAS IS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET. UM, IF YOU'LL RECALL, UM, WE SPOKE ABOUT IT BRIEFLY AT THE, THE BUDGET RETREAT A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. SINCE 2019, WE HAVE HAD BLUE CROSS BLUE SHIELD FOR MEDICAL AND UNUM FOR DENTAL AND VISION. UNFORTUNATELY, UM, IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS, THE PREMIUM INCREASES HAS JUST BECOME UNSUSTAINABLE. AND SO WE DID ISSUE AN RFP IN APRIL FOR ALL LINES OF COVERAGE. YOU CAN SEE HERE, MEDICAL, DENTAL, VISION, DISABILITY, LIFE ACCIDENT, CRITICAL ILLNESS, HOSPITAL INDEMNITY, AS [00:10:01] WELL AS OUR EMPLOYEE ASSISTANT PROGRAM SERVICES. WE HAD A, AN OVERWHELMING RESPONSE. 55 PROPOSALS WERE RECEIVED IN TOTAL. UM, WE DID REQUEST IN THE SOLICITATION THAT THEY, UM, SUBMIT PROPOSALS THAT MATCH OUR CURRENT PLAN DESIGNS. AND SO THE RECOMMENDATIONS TONIGHT ARE BASED ON NO CHANGES TO THE CURRENT EMPLOYEE PLAN DESIGN CHANGES FOR ANY OF THE LINES OF COVERAGES. AND IN SOME CASES, UH, WE'LL ACTUALLY SEE ENHANCED BENEFITS. AFTER THE INITIAL EVALUATIONS, WE DID, UM, NARROW IT DOWN TO THE MOST COMPETITIVE VENDORS FOR EACH LINE, AND WE INVITED THEM TO SUBMIT A BEST AND FINAL OFFER AFTER WHICH WE CONDUCTED CARRIER INTERVIEWS. AND SO OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE SET FORTH, UM, LAID OUT IN FRONT OF YOU. WE RECOMMEND SWITCHING FROM BLUE CROSS TO CIGNA HEALTHCARE FOR MEDICAL SWITCHING FROM UNUM TO DELTA DENTAL FOR DENTAL, UH, SWITCHING TO COMMUNITY EYE CARE FOR VISION FOR DISABILITY, AND LIFE SWITCHING FROM UNUM TO THE HARTFORD. AND THEN FOR THE ANCILLARY LINES OF COVERAGE, INCLUDING ACCIDENT, CRITICAL ILLNESS AND HOSPITAL INDEMNITY SWITCHING TO SYMETRA. UM, LASTLY, WE RECOMMEND SWITCHING OUR EMPLOYEE ASSISTANCE PROGRAM FROM OUR CURRENT VENDOR, UM, ALLIANCE WORKFORCE PARTNERS TO DEER OAKS. SO A QUICK, UM, SUMMARY OF, OF THE BENEFITS THAT THESE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE GONNA BRING TO THE CITY BY SWITCHING TO CIGNA FOR MEDICAL, WE WILL REALIZE A SAVINGS OF APPROXIMATELY $681,462. WE'LL BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THE EXACT SAME PLAN COVERAGE FOR OUR EMPLOYEES AT THAT 11, UM, PERCENT DECREASE IN COST. UH, ADDITIONALLY, THEY HAVE PROVIDED A 2026 RATE GUARANTEE OF A NOT TO EXCEED CAP OF 9.5% BY PARTNERING WITH DELTA DENTAL. WE WILL SEE ENHANCED PLAN COVERAGE. THEY ACTUALLY ARE OFFERING A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN OUR PREVIOUS CARRIERS DID. UH, SAVINGS THERE OF 9% ANNUALLY OR $26,000, APPROXIMATELY A TWO YEAR RATE LOCK, UH, WITH A THIRD YEAR RATE GUARANTEE OF NO MORE THAN 6.5% INCREASE. THEY'RE ALSO OFFERING, UM, SOME ALLOWANCE TO COVER ANY COSTS THAT WE MIGHT INCUR IN SWITCHING CARRIERS COMMUNITY ICARE. BY PARTNERING WITH THEM, AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA SEE ENHANCED PLAN COVERAGE, UH, APPROXIMATELY 20% SAVINGS FOR JUST, JUST SHY OF $10,000 ANNUALLY, A FIVE YEAR LATE RATE LOCK. ALSO, THEY'RE OFFERING, UM, SOME IMPLEMENTATION CREDIT AS WELL. THE HARTFORD FOR DISABILITY AND LIFE, AGAIN, ENHANCED PLAN COVERAGE. UM, WE'RE GONNA SEE APPROXIMATELY 30%, UH, SAVINGS. THAT'S GONNA YIELD ABOUT $37,000 BETWEEN LONG TERM AND LIFE AS WELL AS A THREE YEAR RATE LOCK SYMETRA. THESE ARE FOR THE ANCILLARY LINES I MENTIONED. ACCIDENT, CRITICAL ILLNESS AND HOSPITAL INDEMNITY. THEY ARE ALL EMPLOYEE PAID, SO A HUNDRED, A HUNDRED PERCENT EMPLOYEE PAID, BUT WE WERE ABLE TO SECURE LOWER RATES FOR THE EMPLOYEES AS WELL AS A A THREE YEAR RATE LOCK FOR THOSE. AND THEN DEER OAKS, WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE A COMPREHENSIVE EAP PROGRAM FOR OUR EMPLOYEES, AND WE RECEIVED A TWO YEAR RATE LOCK. A QUICK COST SUMMARY. UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BIG NUMBER IS REALLY DOWN AT THE BOTTOM BY SAVING AND BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, WE WILL BE SAVING THE CITY APPROXIMATELY $750,000 ANNUALLY. AS I MENTIONED, THIS IS, UH, WAS OBVIOUSLY A HUGE WIN. WE WERE ABLE TO MAINTAIN ALL OF OUR PLANT CURRENT CURRENT PLAN DESIGNS. SO AGAIN, NO REDUCTION IN BENEFITS TO EMPLOYEES. NEXT STEPS, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE ASKING FOR YOUR APPROVAL HERE TONIGHT. AFTER THAT TIME, WE'LL WORK WITH THE BROKER, UM, WITH OUR BROKER, OUR BENEFITS BROKER WITH THE CARRIERS AND A DP ON IMPLEMENTATION FOR CALENDAR YEAR. UM, BEGINNING 1 1 25, WE ANTICIPATE, OR WE WILL, WE'LL PLAN TO HAVE EMPLOYEE BENEFIT WORKSHOPS WITH THIS MUCH CHANGE OCCURRING IN ONE YEAR. OBVIOUSLY WE WANNA HAVE FACE-TO-FACE MEETINGS WITH EMPLOYEES, UH, SO WE CAN EDUCATE THEM ON ALL OF THE NEW PLANS, WHAT THEIR OFFERINGS WILL LOOK LIKE. UM, AND THEN, UM, FOLLOWING THAT WE'LL HAVE OPEN ENROLLMENT. WE, WE HAVE THAT SCHEDULED FOR LATE OCTOBER. AND THEN FINALLY, UH, AGAIN, I THINK WE, WE PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, BUT I WANTED TO SAY IT AGAIN IN, IN THIS COMING YEAR, IT IS OUR PLAN TO REVIEW OUR CURRENT INSURANCE PLAN DESIGNS IN AN EFFORT TO DEVELOP A LONG-TERM AND REALLY SUSTAINABLE STRATEGY FOR MANAGING RISING HEALTHCARE COSTS. UM, WE DO HAVE PRETTY GENEROUS PLAN DESIGNS CURRENTLY, AND, AND SO WE WANNA LOOK AT, UM, TRYING TO DEVELOP SOME STRATEGIES, HOW WE CAN MAINTAIN BENEFITS, BUT AGAIN, MANAGE THOSE RISING HEALTHCARE COSTS. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, WILL CERTAINLY BE ON THE DOCKET FOR DISCUSSION IN THE COMING YEAR. WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, COUNSEL FLOOR'S OPEN FOR DISCUSSION. COUNCIL MEMBER GIBSON. THANK YOU THERE. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I'M FULLY, UM, THAT I, THAT I READ IT CORRECTLY AND, UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S GONNA BE A BETTER COST FOR THE CITY, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S, UH, NOT GONNA RISE UP THE COST OF COPAYS AND THINGS LIKE THAT [00:15:01] FOR OUR EMPLOYEES. WE DID, OF COURSE, CHECK THOSE THINGS OUT. I DO SEE A COUPLE RED ITEMS IN YOUR, UM, IN YOUR PACKET THAT SAID THAT THERE'S JUST A FEW RISING COSTS IN PARTICULAR AREAS THAT WE WEIGH THAT AS A RISK THAT WE ARE WILLING TO TAKE WHEN WE DECIDED ON THIS PLAN. SO CIGNA ACTUALLY MATCHED OUR PLAN DESIGN DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE CIGNA, THERE'S NO INCREASE IN ANY COPAYS, CO-INSURANCE DEDUCTIBLES, MAXED OUT OF POCKET, ANYTHING LIKE THAT. UNITEDHEALTHCARE, WHICH WAS INCLUDED IN THE, IN THE SUMMARY THAT WAS PROVIDED TO YOU, DID HAVE SOME SLIGHT DIFFERENCES, SOME SLIGHT, SLIGHT VARIATIONS AND SOME OF THEIR, UM, PRICING. BUT AGAIN, WITH CIGNA, THE RECOMMENDED VENDOR HERE, IT'S DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR MATCH TO WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE FOR EMPLOYEES. PERFECT. I APOLOGIZE, I DID SCROLL UP TOO FAST WITHOUT READING THAT, UH, HEADER. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. NO PROBLEM. UH, I WOULD LIKE TO, OH, CAN I MAKE A MOTION? YES. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, RESOLUTION 24 R 97. SECOND. OKAY. COUNT. UH, MOTIONS BEEN MADE BY COUNCIL MEMBER GIBSON. SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER WATSON. COUNSEL, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? IF NONE, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. WE CAN PUBLISH THE VOTE, PLEASE. WE HAVE SEVEN YAYS, NO OBJECTIONS. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. RIGHT. [6. Resolution 24-R-95 - Authorizing Subdivision Improvement Agreements for the Saddlebrook Development. (S.Williams/B.James)] WE'LL MOVE ON. ITEM NUMBER SIX, RESOLUTION NUMBER 24 R 95 AUTHORIZING SUBDIVISION IMPROVEMENT AGREEMENTS FOR SADDLEBROOK DEVELOPMENT. MR. JAMES FLOOR IS YOURS. THANK YOU MAYOR BRIAN JAMES, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER FOR THE CITY OF SHIRTZ. UM, THE ITEM BEFORE YOU, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING, OR THE DEVELOPER IS REQUESTING TO BE ABLE TO ENTER INTO SUBDIVISION IMPROVEMENT AGREEMENTS, UM, TO ESSENTIALLY BE ABLE TO FILE FOUR PHASES OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT BEFORE THE ACCEPTANCE, ALL THE ACCEPTANCE OF PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS. UM, YOU MAY RECALL THAT COUNCIL APPROVED A SUBDIVISION IMPROVEMENT AGREEMENT FOR TWO PHASES. I THINK ONE A AND ONE B. ONE OF THOSE PHASES WAS ACTUALLY THE LIFT STATION. SO NO RESIDENTIAL LOTS, BUT THERE WAS THE PHASE WITH THE RESIDENTIAL LOTS. UM, A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY ON THIS. IT'S BEEN QUITE A FEW YEARS. WHEN I LOOKED BACK TO SEE WHEN WE TALKED TO COUNCIL PROBABLY EIGHT TO 10 YEARS AGO WHERE WE HAD A WORKSHOP WITH COUNCIL ABOUT SUBDIVISION IMPROVEMENT AGREEMENTS. AND THE DIRECTION AT THE TIME WAS WE'RE OKAY DOING IT FOR COMMERCIAL PROJECTS, RIGHT? UM, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IT FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS. AND IT, IT'S SORT OF FOR A COUPLE REASONS, AND AGAIN, LET ME EXPLAIN FAIRLY BRIEFLY. SO, IF YOU HAVE A COMMERCIAL BUILDING, SAY A GAS STATION CONVENIENCE STORE, OFTEN WHAT THEY WANT TO DO IS AS PART OF PLATTING THAT THEY MAY NEED TO BUILD A SECTION OF WATERLINE OR A SECTION OF STREET. AND WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO DO IS FILE THE PLAT, MOBILIZE A CONTRACTOR ONCE TO BE ABLE TO PUT IN THAT STREET AND WATERLINE WHILE THEY START CONSTRUCTION ON THEIR SITE. AND THEY UNDERSTAND THAT UNTIL CERTAIN THINGS ARE IN PLACE, THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT SITE MAY STOP, RIGHT? SO THEY CAN'T TYPICALLY GO VERTICAL ON THE BUILDING UNTIL THEY GET FIRE ACCESS DRIVES IN OR MAYBE HAVE A FIRE HYDRANT THAT WORKS. UH, BUT SEWER FOR EXAMPLE, YOU REALLY DON'T NEED IT TILL FURTHER DOWN. THEY CAN BUILD THE, THEY CAN BUILD THE, THE, ESSENTIALLY THE BUILDING. AND SO IT LETS THEM BE MORE EFFICIENT WITH IT. ONE OF THE REASONS I THINK STAFF WAS OKAY WITH THAT IS THAT WHEN THEY GET TO THE POINT AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE STILL HUNG UP. ALL OUR PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE'S NOT IN, LET US GET A CO. AND TYPICALLY WE HANG UP THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. IT'S FRANKLY A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO TELL THIS BUSINESS. NO, YOU DIDN'T MEET YOUR OBLIGATION UNDER THE AGREEMENT. WE'RE NOT GONNA GIVE YOU YOUR CO OR WE CAN LOOK AT A TEMPORARY CO OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THERE'S A WAY AROUND IT. RESIDENTIAL STAFF IS FOUND TO BE MUCH MORE PROBLEMATIC, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU'LL HAVE PEOPLE WANTING TO BUY THAT, THAT HOUSE WANTING TO MOVE IN THAT HOUSE. AND AGAIN, NOT SAYING THIS HAPPENS WITH EVERYBODY, BUT OFTEN MAYBE THE PERSON WORKING IN THE, THE SALES OFFICE WHEN THEY'RE TELLING 'EM IT'S, WELL, IT'S THE CITY'S SORT OF FAULT. THEY DON'T EXPLAIN, WELL, WE DIDN'T GET THIS BUILT AND IT HASN'T BEEN ACCEPTED, THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER. UM, AND, AND I WOULD SAY THAT TOO, FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, THE SUBDIVISION IMPROVEMENT AGREEMENTS FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TEND TO BE A BIT MORE COMPLICATED. THERE TENDS TO BE A BIT MORE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THAN WE TYPICALLY DO ON A COMMERCIAL SITE. BUT ALL THAT TO SAY, THEY, THEY CAN BE DONE. NOW, AGAIN, A COUPLE THINGS WITH THIS. WHEN WE DO THESE AGREEMENTS, WHAT WE REQUIRE IS SURETY TO BE PUT UP, RIGHT? ESSENTIALLY THE COST OF THE IMPROVEMENT PLUS 20% SO THAT IF THE DEVELOPER FAILS TO PUT IT IN AND THE PROPERTY PLAT HAS BEEN FILED, THE CITY CAN GO IN AND FINISH THOSE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS. WE CAN CALL IN THE SURETY AND WE CAN PUT, WE CAN PUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN. AGAIN, IF WE HAVE TO DO THAT, IT'S A LITTLE EASIER [00:20:01] DEALING WITH A COMMERCIAL BUILDING THAT'S TRYING TO BE IN OR OCCUPIED THAN IT IS A SUBDIVISION. AND PEOPLE WHO HAVE BOUGHT RESIDENTIAL LOTS, AGAIN, IT, IT CAN BE DONE. AND SO SOME OF THE RISK YOU RUN IS THAT COST HAVE GONE UP, THE SURETY DOESN'T COVER IT. THERE'S KIND OF AN ISSUE THERE, BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT HAPPEN, RIGHT? WE'VE NOT CALLED IN ONE OF THESE IN THE 12, 13 YEARS I'VE BEEN HERE. SO I DON'T WANNA SCARE YOU TOO MUCH. BUT THEY DON'T WANNA SAY THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF RISK. UM, THE OTHER PROBLEM IS IT'S JUST THE TIME IT TAKES TO MANAGE THESE AGREEMENTS, RIGHT? WE PROBABLY HAVE, I ESTIMATE 20 ACTIVE AGREEMENTS THAT WE'RE MANAGING. NOW, JUST BE BLUNT, I THINK WHAT STAFF IS SAYING, IF YOU'RE OKAY DOING IT HERE FOR SADDLEBROOK, THIS IS A POLICY QUESTION. AND WHAT STAFF WOULD SAY IS, WE'RE GONNA GET ASKED BY THE NEXT GUY AND THE NEXT GUY AND THE NEXT GUY. SO AGAIN, WHAT WE WOULD SUGGEST IS, AND WE CAN DO THIS OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, GIVE POLICY DIRECTION THAT WE'RE WILLING TO ALLOW THESE STAFF CAN COME BACK AND WORK WITH YOU ON THE FRAMEWORK. THOSE AGREEMENTS WOULD TAKE, WE'D RECOMMEND THAT YOU AMEND THE CODE TO ALLOW STAFF TO APPROVE THOSE AGREEMENTS. SO WE'RE NOT HAVING TO COME TO YOU FOR APPROVAL OF EVERY ONE OF 'EM. IT JUST SAVES US TIME. WE'RE NOT WORKING ON STAFF REPORTS. WE'RE ABLE TO KIND OF MANAGE THE AGREEMENTS A A LITTLE BIT BETTER. UM, SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A BACKGROUND AND A HISTORY. SO THE DIRECTION IN THE PAST FOR THOSE REASONS WAS NOT TO DO THEM ON SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS. BUT AGAIN, AS I SAID, YOU CAN KIND OF MITIGATE FOR SOME OF THOSE RISKS. I THINK STAFF HAS A CONCERN THAT IF WE DO THIS HERE, WE'RE GONNA GET EVERYBODY COMING IN AND ASKING FOR 'EM. AND IF YOU'RE GONNA DO IT HERE, YOU PROBABLY OUGHT TO DO IT FOR EVERYBODY. AND I JUST WOULD NOT UNDERAPPRECIATE THE AMOUNT OF RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS THOSE ARE AND THE COMPLEXITY THAT THOSE TEND TO TAKE ON. BUT AGAIN, IT'S DOABLE. IT'S ABOUT HOW, HOW MUCH YOU WANT TO BE DEVELOPMENT FRIENDLY AGAIN, HOW THAT WORKLOAD PLAYS OUT, THINGS LIKE THAT. THE OTHER THING INTERESTINGLY, THAT THE DEVELOPER'S ASKING IN THIS CASE WITH IT, AND, AND SO WE'RE GONNA BRING IT UP, IT'S, IT'S WITH THE PRIOR PHASE, IS TO BE ABLE TO START SOME MODEL HOMES. EVEN THOUGH THAT INFRASTRUCTURE ISN'T ENTIRELY IN, AND IN THIS CASE IT'S REALLY THE SEWER LIFT STATION. MUCH LIKE THE CITY IS STRUGGLING TO GET OUR SEWER LIFT STATION, A WOMAN HOLLERING CREEK UP, THEY'RE STRUGGLING TO GET THEIR SEWER LIFT STATION UP AS WELL. AND I THINK THERE ARE A FEW OTHER THINGS OUTSTANDING, RELATIVELY MINOR. UM, BUT WHAT THEY'VE INDICATED IS WE FULLY UNDERSTAND, LET US GET STARTED ON THIS. SO THE WAY WE THINK THE TIMING WILL WORK, WE'LL HAVE A HEAD START. WE CAN START MARKETING THESE. WE, WE HAVE BUYERS COMING IN ON THE SPEC PORTION. WE CAN DO IT. WE FULLY GET THAT, THAT WE CAN'T TRANSFER OWNERSHIP. ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE IN THE AGREEMENT IS WE CAN'T TRANSFER OWNERSHIP OTHER THAN, AGAIN, THE REASON THEY'RE DOING THIS IS KIND OF A, AN ENTITY THAT'S FUNDING THE PROJECT AND CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS, BUT WE WON'T START SELLING THEM TO INDIVIDUALS. AND SO AGAIN, ALL OF THAT IS SORT OF DOABLE. IT JUST COMES WITH TIMING TO MANAGE AND IT COMES WITH SOME RISK. 'CAUSE AGAIN, NOT TO DEMEAN, IT'S A LITTLE ABOUT LIKE THOSE WITH KIDS. IF YOU GIVE A MOUSE OF COOKIE THE BOOK, RIGHT? SO INHERENTLY IT'S, WELL YEAH, I KNOW THIS, CAN I GET THIS? AND, AND I THINK THAT'S NATURAL. I'M NOT, I'M NOT DEMEANING, I'M NOT MOCKING IT. IT'S SORT OF THE NATURAL THING. SO AGAIN, EVEN IN THIS CASE WHERE THEY SAID, YEAH, HEY, WE JUST NEED TO FILE THE PLAT. NOW IT'S KIND OF COME BACK AND GOING, YEAH, HEY, BUT WE CAN GET LIKE FIVE BUILDING PERMITS OFF OF IT. THERE THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF THAT. AND SO IF YOU WANT TO DO IT, AND IF YOU WANNA SET THAT POLICY, I THINK WHAT STAFF WOULD WANT TO DO IS REALLY TRY TO SET THE PARAMETERS OF THAT, RIGHT? COME UP WITH A TEMPLATE AGREEMENT FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL THAT IF YOU'RE GONNA DO IT, IT'S THIS, IT'S ONLY THIS. BECAUSE PART OF THE COMPLEXITY AND CHALLENGE ON THIS IS IF I'M MANAGING 20 AGREEMENTS AND THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT, IT'S, IT'S HARDER TO DO. AS OPPOSED TO YOU'RE JUST GONNA SAY, LOOK, THIS IS OUR STANDARD AGREEMENT, TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT. WE KNOW THEY'RE ALL ALIKE. IT'S EASIER TO MONITOR, IT'S EASIER TO TRACK THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF THE BACKGROUND. THE DEVELOPER'S REPRESENTATIVE IS HERE TONIGHT. UM, AGAIN, STAFF IS NOT RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS BASED ON THAT PAST DIRECTION. AND BECAUSE THIS DOES CREATE SOME CHALLENGES, BUT YOU'LL NOTICE WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING DENIAL OF IT BASED ON COUNSEL HAVING DONE THIS PREVIOUSLY AND KIND OF SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HEARD FROM COUNSEL. SO WITH THAT, I'LL STOP TALKING AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. JAMES. COUNCIL MEMBER BROWN, I CAN SEE DOING THIS IF IT WAS A, UH, UH, DEVELOPMENT THAT WE SAW A, UH, UH, A DRASTIC NEED TO GET GOING, UH, TO, TO TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AN AREA. BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THAT RIGHT NOW. AND WE HAVE A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT HAPPENING, BUT WE'RE NOT, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT'S A CRUCIAL, UH, DEVELOPMENT NEED IN ANY PARTICULAR AREA. SO I, I KIND OF TEND TO, LET'S STICK WITH WHAT WE HAVE. WE KNOW IT WORKS. UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WE'RE NOT OVERBURDENING THE STAFF SO WE CAN CONTINUE WITH THE, UH, UH, A PLANNED AND AND ORGANIZED PROCESS. YEAH. AND, AND I WILL JUST, 'CAUSE I SAID I WOULD DO THIS, I THINK FROM THE DEVELOPER'S PERSPECTIVE, THEY'RE UNDER KIND OF AN OBLIGATION BETWEEN [00:25:01] THE ENTITY THAT'S KIND OF FUNDED THE THING WHOSE NAME IT'S IN TO TRANSFER THE LOTS TO THE BUILDER BY A CERTAIN TIME. AND THEN THE OTHER IS A LITTLE BIT OF A ATTACK ON, BUT, BUT FAIR ENOUGH. MR. JAMES IS THE YES, SIR. THE BIGGEST OBSTACLE IS THE LIFT, THE LIFT STATION. THAT'S THE BIGGEST, YEAH, THE BIGGEST ISSUE THAT THEY'VE GOT IS THE LIFT STATION. THERE ARE A FEW OTHER THINGS THAT WILL REMIND 'EM. IT'S NOT JUST THE LIFT STATION, IT'S, IT'S A FEW OF THESE OTHER THINGS, BUT THEY ARE RELATIVELY MINOR, RIGHT? I MEAN, AGAIN, IF I, IF IF I LOOKED UP THE EMAIL AND SAID IT'S THIS AND THIS, THEY'D PROBABLY HAVE SOMEBODY, THEY'D PROBABLY SAY, WE'LL GET SOMEBODY OUT THERE TONIGHT. AND I'M LIKE, WELL, YOU CAN'T WORK AFTER THIS AFTER A CERTAIN TIME. SO I HAVE 'EM COME OUT IN THE MORNING AND THEY COULD PROBABLY KNOCK 'EM OUT IN FAIRLY SHORT ORDER THIS WEEK. FOR EXAMPLE, IS THERE AN ESTIMATED TIME WHEN THE PROJECT WILL BE COMPLETED FOR THIS LIFT STATION? SO, SO THEY TELL ME THAT IT'S GONNA BE DONE WITHIN A COUPLE OF MONTHS. AND, AND I DON'T DOUBT THAT THAT'S LIKELY SORT OF THE THING. AND, AND AGAIN, UM, THE ONLY THING ON THIS IS, AGAIN, AS WE FOUND WITH OUR LIFT STATION, THEY MAY GO, WELL, THAT'S THE CITY. IT'S NOT US. YOU KNOW, WE PUT IN THE PUMP, THE PUMP DIDN'T WORK, HAD TO TAKE THE PUMP OUT, CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE PUMP. HAD TO SHIP THE PUMP BACK TO WHEREVER IT IS. AND THE PUMP'S SITTING THERE. WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE PUMP. SO THEY HAVE AN ESTIMATE. BUT AGAIN, I THINK, AND I WILL SAY THEIR CREDIT, THEY'RE RUNNING INTO WHAT WE'RE RUNNING INTO. IT'S REALLY HARD. THERE'S STILL A LOT OF SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES ON SOME OF THIS STUFF THAT'S, THAT'S HANGING IT UP. UH, BUT YEAH, IT IS, IN THIS CASE, IT'S, IT'S FAIR TO SAY IT'S THE LIFT STATION. THAT'S, THAT'S THE ISSUE. UM, AND SO AGAIN, IF YOU'RE WILLING TO DO IT, I'D MAKE VERY CLEAR DO NOT EVEN COME BACK AT ALL AND BE ASKING TO OCCUPY ANY OF THESE BUILDINGS ON A TEMPORARY BASIS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 'CAUSE WE'RE HAVING NONE OF IT. RIGHT? IF YOU CAN'T GET IT DONE, THEN YOU'RE JUST GONNA SIT THERE WITH SOME PARTIALLY BUILT BUILDINGS, HOUSE COUNCIL MEMBER HAYWARD. I GUESS RIGHT NOW I'M A LITTLE, I GUESS CONFUSED. 'CAUSE YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE NOT SAYING, SO STAFF IS SAYING NOT RECOMMENDED, BUT THEN YOU SAY, BUT YOU'RE NOT ASKING FOR DENIAL. SO ARE WE TRYING TO HELP THE DEVELOPER GET SOMETHING DONE BECAUSE OF THE WHOLE TRANSFER THING AND YOU'RE THINKING WE SHOULD DO THAT OR NOT? SO STAFF RECOMMENDED DENIAL OF THE PRIOR SUBDIVISION IMPROVEMENT AGREEMENT BASED ON THE COUNCIL DIRECTION. AND COUNCIL SAID THANKS STAFF WE'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF IT. RIGHT? RIGHT. SO FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, THERE'S BEEN A SHIFT IN POLICY. SO AGAIN, I THINK STAFF WATCHES WHAT COUNCIL DOES. WE'VE WATCHED THE THINGS YOU SAY IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT WHEN STAFF CAME AND RECOMMENDED DENIAL COUNCIL SAID, NO, WE'RE GOOD WITH IT, LET'S DO IT. STAFF IS NOT COMING BACK AND TILTING AT WINDMILLS SO THAT AT SOME POINT SOMEBODY ON COUNCIL SAYS, WHY DOES STAFF NOT GET THAT? WE'RE OKAY WITH IT. THEY KEEP COMMEND DENIAL AND WE KEEP RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE THE SOFTER, BUT I THINK WHAT STAFF WANTED TO DO IN THIS CASE IS SAY, IF YOU'RE INCLINED TO APPROVE IT HERE, THEN FRANKLY WHAT WE WOULD SAY IS IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S BEEN A POLICY SHIFT. AND NOT THAT YOU HAVE TO OPEN IT UP TO EVERYBODY, BUT THEN LET'S REVISIT THE POLICY AND PRACTICE SO THAT FRANKLY, WHEN STAFF SITS DOWN WITH THE DEVELOPER WHO SAYS, HEY, LET'S TALK ABOUT TIMING, STAFF KNOWS TO SAY COUNCIL IS OPEN, OR WE ARE OPEN TO DOING THESE SUBDIVISION IMPROVEMENT AGREEMENTS OR WE'RE NOT. SO THAT DEVELOPERS HAVE GOOD INFORMATION GOING FORWARD. SO YEAH, THE REASON YOU'RE GETTING WHAT YOU'RE GETTING FROM STAFF IS BECAUSE THIS ISN'T MEANT A NEGATIVE WAY. COUNSEL APPROVED THE LAST OVER OBJECTION. MM-HMM , THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ANYTHING DIFFERENT HERE THAN YOU APPROVED BEFORE. BUT, BUT WE JUST WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THE IMPLICATIONS. AGAIN, I WANNA BE CLEAR, IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE GONNA FALL APART 'CAUSE THE WORKLOAD TOMORROW JUST 'CAUSE OF THIS THING, RIGHT? IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THAT THERE, THERE IS JUST A WORK COMPONENT AND A MANAGEMENT COMPONENT. AGAIN, IRONICALLY I WAS LAUGHING WITH THE DEVELOPER'S REP THAT ON ANOTHER AGREEMENT THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE TO CALL US SORT OF EVERY YEAR AND REMIND US, HEY, REMEMBER YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO PAY US THIS MONEY FOR THIS THING, WHICH WE APPRECIATE JUST AS WE'VE TRY TO KEEP UP WITH IT. DOES THAT, DOES THAT HELP? YEAH. SO BASICALLY WE'RE HERE BECAUSE COUNCIL, A FEW YEARS AGO APPROVED SADDLEBROOK NO, A FEW MONTHS AGO. A FEW MONTHS AGO, , SORRY, BUT IT WAS CARMEL I THINK, WASN'T IT? IT WAS, IT CARMEL RAN. I'M THINKING ABOUT YOU DID A DIFFERENT AGREE. SO NOW WHAT YOU DID WITH CARMEL IS, IS CARMEL, YOU APPROVED A PUMP AND HAUL AGREEMENT BECAUSE THEY ARE WAITING ON THE SADDLEBROOK SADDLEBROOK LIFT STATION. OKAY? BUT THEY HAD TO HAVE EVERYTHING ELSE IN OTHER THAN SADDLE BROOK'S LIFT STATION TO DO THE PUMP AND HALL. AND SO THEIR PLAT IN FACT GOT FILED TODAY AND THE AGREEMENT PUMP AND HALL AGREEMENT GOT FILED. UM, THAT WAS WHAT YOU DID ON THAT ONE. IT WAS, IT WAS SORT OF THIS BUT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. WHAT YOU DID WITH SADDLEBROOK IS THEY ESSENTIALLY WERE HERE GOING, HEY LOOK, I REALLY NEED TO CONTRACTUALLY GET THESE LOTS ON THE GROUND. CAN YOU APPROVE STAFF? RECOMMENDED DENIAL COUNSEL SAID OKAY TO IT. YOU, YOU'VE DONE A COUPLE MORE, YOU'VE DONE A COUPLE FOR CROSS VINE AND YOU'VE DONE A COUPLE FOR HOMESTEAD. THOSE WERE AGAIN, REALLY UNUSUAL SITUATIONS WITH SORT OF PHASES AS PART OF A LONG-TERM [00:30:01] DEVELOPMENT WHERE WE HAD OTHER STUFF KIND OF HANGING OUT THERE WITH SOME UNUSUAL ISSUES THEY WERE HAVING. UM, THAT THAT DIDN'T CREATE THE SAME KIND OF PROBLEMS POTENTIALLY AS YOU WOULD GET WITH, WITH THESE. UM, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, I WANNA BE CLEAR, IF YOU WANNA DO 'EM, THERE ARE ALL SORTS OF WAYS YOU COULD LIMIT 'EM, RIGHT? WE'RE NOT GONNA DO 'EM ON THE FRONT END TO LET YOU FILE BEFORE ANYTHING'S IN THE GROUND. WE'LL ONLY LET YOU DO 'EM IF YOU'RE LACKING ONE ELEMENT, FOR EXAMPLE, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS. SO DOES THIS ALL COME DOWN TO A CONTINUED PROBLEM WITH LOGISTICS? I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T, IS THIS A LOGISTICS ISSUE THAT, THAT WE'RE STILL, I MEAN THEY'RE HAVING A HARD TIME GETTING PARTS. IS IT, IS IT A TIMING THING FOR THEIR, FOR THEIR PROJECT THAT, THAT SOMETHING'S HOLDING THEM UP AND THEY WANT TO CONTINUE ON? YEAH, I THINK, I THINK WHAT YOU'VE GOT HERE IS PROBABLY FAIR TO SAY IT'S A LOGISTICS ISSUE, RIGHT? IT WAS THE SLOW LEAD TIME ON A NUMBER OF ELEMENTS THAT WERE SEEING SLOW LEAD TIMES SORT OF ACROSS THE BOARD. UM, AND, AND SO IT'S, THIS ISN'T ONE WHERE I WOULD SAY, OH, THE DEVELOPER HAS JUST NOT BEEN ON TOP OF IT. THEY'VE KIND OF LAGGED, THEY'VE DONE WHATEVER. IT'S, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME THINGS THAT THE CITY HAS DEALT WITH AND EXPERIENCED AND OTHERS WE DEAL WITH HAVE DEALT WITH AN EXPERIENCE THAT HAVE CREATED THIS. WHAT THEY'VE INDICATED TO US IS THEY HAVE A PARTICULAR CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION TO HAVE THE PLATS FILED BY A DEADLINE THAT CREATES AN ISSUE FOR 'EM. THEIR AGREEMENTS IN PARTICULAR STIPULATE THAT THEY CAN CONVEY OWNERSHIP OF THOSE LOTS BEYOND THIS FIRST TRANSFER. SO THEY CAN'T SELL LOTS TO THE HOME BUYER, EVEN WITH THE PLAT FILED ON THESE AGREEMENTS. AND SO IT, IT, DOES THAT HELP? YEAH, I MEAN, I I CAN SEE YOUR POINT. I, I'D HATE TO OPEN A PAN PANDORA'S BOX ON THIS AND, AND, AND CHANGE A POLICY OR GUIDANCE FOR THE STAFF THAT THAT NOW IS GONNA SNOWBALL DOWN THE PATH. BUT, BUT AGAIN, IF THIS IS, IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS STILL THE, THE END STAGES OF OUR PREVIOUS LOGISTICS PROBLEMS THAT WE'VE HAD, AND WE'VE SEEN THIS IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT AREAS OUT THERE, I MEAN, TO ME THIS IS, THIS IS NOT MAKING THE RULE. THIS IS ALLOWING AN EXCEPTION TO THE RULE BECAUSE OF A UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCE. AND, AND LET ME BE CLEAR, I THINK FAIR ENOUGH, AND THAT IS, I THINK WHAT STAFF IS LOOKING TO GET OUT OF THIS. SO AGAIN, DON'T HAVE TO DECIDE THAT ALL TONIGHT WHAT COUNSEL COULD DO IS SAY, WE'RE GONNA APPROVE THIS, BUT WE'RE NOT OPENING IT UP TO EVERYBODY. STAFF COME BACK IN A MONTH OR SO AND LET'S KIND OF COVER THE CIRCUMSTANCES. WE WOULD DO IT A LOGISTICS ISSUE THAT WE'RE ON THE TAIL END OF WHERE YOU HAVE ONE OR TWO OUTSTANDING ITEMS, RIGHT? NOT A FRONT END BEFORE ANYTHING'S BUILT. PERFECTLY FINE TO, TO DO THAT. BUT WE WOULD SAY, LET'S COME BACK AND DO THAT WITH YOU. SO WE SET THOSE PARAMETERS. SO WHEN WE START TALKING TO PEOPLE, WE'RE CLEAR ON THIS IS WHAT THE EXPECTATION IS. I I CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. I MEAN, 'CAUSE WE'RE, I MEAN EVEN ON OUR OTHER PROJECTS, MAIN STREET WE'RE SEEING ISSUES WITH, WITH SO GVC ISSUE WITH THE WE TIME TRANSFORMERS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. AND YOU KNOW, UH, I, I JUST CAN'T SEE IN GOOD FAITH THAT WE'RE TELLING SOMEONE IF YOU HAVE OTHER, OTHER AGREEMENTS THAT YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH, THAT EVERYTHING HAS TO NOW STOP BECAUSE OF, OF A LOGISTIC PROBLEM THAT IS MAYBE BEYOND THEIR CONTROL. UNDERSTOOD. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER MACALUSO. SO WHEN YOU SAY INCREASED RISK IS ONE OF THOSE RISKS, THE STARTING OF A DEVELOPMENT AND POTENTIALLY SOME OF THE STRUCTURES BEGINNING AND THEN IT NOT BEING COMPLETED. AND NOW WE HAVE THESE VACANT BUILDINGS THAT CAN'T BE COMPLETED UNTIL, EXCUSE ME, UNTIL A WHOLE NEW DEVELOPER COMES IN AND COMPLETES THE PROJECT. IS THAT SO IS THAT YEAH, I MEAN, WHAT WHAT YOU COULD HAVE, AND AGAIN, COUPLED WITH THE RESTRICTION ON THEIR ABILITY TO SELL THE LOTS, RIGHT? 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE AGREEMENT DOES. IT LETS THEM MAKE THIS ONE TRANSFER, BUT THEY CAN'T SELL 'EM TO HOME BUYERS. THAT THAT ONE OF THE RISK IS WE'RE ALL STANDING OUT THERE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS HOUSE THAT'S PRETTY MUCH COMPLETE OTHER THAN THE PLUMBING'S BEEN CONNECTED 'CAUSE THERE'S NO SEWER YET AND THEY'RE GOING, BUT WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THE REALTOR MOVE IN. THEY CAN USE THE BATHROOM AND THE CONSTRUCTION TRAILER. WE'D LIKE TO HAVE CUSTOMERS COME IN AND LOOK AT IT. BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU RUN INTO WITH THE ELEMENT OF ALLOWING THE BUILDING PERMITS. UM, BUT AGAIN, IT, IT'S NOT OPENING UP TO EVERYBODY. IT'S, IT'S LIMITED TO BE CLEAR. SO FOR EXAMPLE, MAKE VERY CLEAR YOU'RE NOT GETTING A CO NOBODY'S GOING IN THERE. THERE'S NO TEMP COS UNTIL EVERYTHING IS ACCEPTED WITH THE SUBDIVISION, DON'T EVEN KIND OF BOTHER TO ASK KIND OF THING. WE'LL GIVE YOU THIS LEAD TIME THAT, THAT WHAT YOU PICK UP, YOU KNOW, 3, 4, 5 MONTHS, WHATEVER. UM, BUT, BUT DON'T BE CALLING STAFF HOUNDING THEM TO LET YOU DO IT OR ASKING THEM TO COME BACK TO COUNSEL 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT. BUT, BUT AGAIN, IF COUNSEL HAD GONE THIS DIFFERENT POLICY [00:35:01] DIRECTION IS I'M OKAY DOING IT LIKE WE DO COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS LET 'EM FILE THE PLAT ON THE FRONT END, DON'T HAVE RESTRICTIONS ON THE ABILITY TO SELL THE LOT, RIGHT? DON'T, DON'T HAVE A LIMITATION ON PULLING A BUILDING PERMIT. JUST LIMIT HAVING THE UTILITY CONNECTIONS. THAT'S WHERE YOU GET MUCH MORE SIGNIFICANT ISSUES, RIGHT? BECAUSE THEY'VE SOLD THE LOT. SOMEBODY, THEY PUT IT UNDER CONTRACT. YOU'VE GOT A HOMEOWNER WHO'S DESIGNED THEIR HOUSE WITH ALL THE FEATURES THAT THEY WANT AND THEY'RE SCREAMING 'CAUSE IT CAN'T KEEP MOVING FORWARD. BUT THEN DOES THAT PRESENT A SITUATION WHERE THE HOMEOWNER HAS GOES IN ON THIS HOUSE AND THEN INSTEAD OF THEM BELIEVING THAT THEY MIGHT BE IN IN SIX MONTHS, IT MIGHT END UP BEING TWO YEARS DOWN THE ROAD BECAUSE SOME OTHER PROBLEM COMES IN PLACE? YES. I MEAN THAT, THAT'S WHAT YOU RUN INTO. AGAIN, I WILL SAY YOU, WE HAVE THIS PROBLEM OCCASIONALLY AND IT'S, IT'S NOT AS MUCH ANYMORE BECAUSE WE'VE, AND I THINK FRANKLY WE'VE HAD A LOT OF INSPECTION STAFF AND THAT'S REALLY HELPED US. BUT WE USED TO HAVE THIS PROBLEM WHERE WE, WE WOULD HAVE LITERALLY A RESIDENT WANTING TO MOVE IN A HOUSE. THE HOUSE HADN'T BEEN FINISHED. SO IT'S NOT THE SUBDIVISION, BUT THE HOUSE ISN'T DONE AND WE'RE STANDING THERE GOING, I CAN'T GIVE YOU A CO BECAUSE IT'S NOT DONE. AND THEY GOT THE MOVING TRUCK SITTING THERE TRYING TO MOVE IN. RIGHT? IT'S, IT'S THAT SORT OF A, A THING BUT A BIT DIFFERENT. UM, SO AGAIN, YOU COULD LIMIT THAT WITH WHEN YOU DO THESE AND WHEN YOU DON'T OUR CURRENT PROCESS, IT LIMITS THAT POSSIBILITY THOUGH. OUR, OUR CURRENT PROCESS, WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS, STANDARD, IF YOU DON'T DO AN AGREEMENT, WE DON'T RUN ANY RISK OF THAT HAPPENING BECAUSE THEY CAN'T FILE THE PLAT TILL ALL OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS IN PLACE, WHICH WOULD ALLOW A BUILDING PERMIT TO BE ISSUED AND A CO TO BE GRANTED, ASSUMING THE BUILDING IS COMPLETE. THERE'S NO RISK WHATSOEVER. BUT AGAIN, WE ACCEPT A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF RISK IN LIFE AND THINGS LIKE THIS. YEAH, I I I MEAN JUST FOR THAT REASON, I, I WOULD NOT BE SUPPORTIVE OF CHANGING IT, UH, FOR THE RESIDENTIAL PLATS, BUT, UM, JUST BECAUSE I DON'T, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY IT, THE RISK MIGHT NOT BE AS HIGH AS WHAT IT MIGHT SEEM, BUT IT, IT IS STILL A RISK. AND I THINK THAT KINDA LEADS US DOWN TO A BAD SLOPE. ESPECIALLY IF WE GET A DEVELOPER IN THAT DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF, UH, EXPERIENCE OR SOMETHING ALONG THE, I I I COULD JUST SEE THAT CAUSING AN ISSUE WITH HOMES BEING STARTED AND THE PROJECT NOT BEING ABLE TO BE COMPLETED. YEAH. AND, AND, AND AGAIN, I WILL SAY WHAT WE'VE, WHAT WE'VE DONE, 'CAUSE AGAIN, WELL STAFF'S NOT SUPPORTIVE OF, I'M NOT POUNDING UP HERE TELLING YOU THIS IS A HORRIBLE THING, DON'T, DON'T DO THIS. IS THAT LIMITATION ON BEING ABLE TO SELL THE HOUSE SORT OF HELPS WITH THAT THING WITH THE TEMPORARY, RIGHT? IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE THAT, THEN YEAH, THEY GOT 'EM UNDER CONTRACTS AND HE'S BOUGHT A LOT. IT'S A BIGGER MESS. BUT, BUT UNDERSTOOD WE'RE NOT BRINGING COUNCIL MEMBER HAYWARD. SO BASED ON WHAT YOU SAID TO JUST SAID, IT'S ABOUT LOGISTICS AND THAT THE STAFF COULD PUT SOMETHING IN THAT WOULD KEEP THE SALE OF THE HOUSE HAPPENING IF WE CHANGED IT AND YOU BROUGHT SOMETHING BACK TO OPEN IT UP BECAUSE WE APPROVE THIS AND BECAUSE WE APPROVED IT, THEY'RE HAVING SOME ISSUES WITH LOGISTICS. AND SO YOU'RE NOT POUNDING SAYING DON'T DO IT. YOU'RE SAYING LET LET YOU COME BACK WITH A PLAN AND KIND OF DO THIS ONE EXCEPTION ONE OFF AND THEN LOOK AT IF WE WANT TO DO THIS GOING FORWARD. YEAH. SO I THINK, I THINK WHAT STAFF OUR VIEW IS, IS COUNSEL HAS MOVED OFF OF YOUR PAST POLICY POSITION THAT MANY OF YOU WEREN'T AWARE EVEN PROBABLY EXISTED FAIR ENOUGH. WHEN YOU APPROVED THE AGREEMENTS FOR SADDLEBROOK PREVIOUSLY. AND SO STAFF HAS SENSED THAT TO BE A POLICY SHIFT, RIGHT? AND SO WHEN WE SAW THAT, LET'S NOT KEEP TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, BANG OUR HEAD AGAINST A BRICK WALL, NOT THE COUNCIL BRICK WALL, BUT THERE SEEMS TO BE THIS SHIFT. LET'S WALK COUNCIL THROUGH IT. LET'S TRY TO UNDERSTAND THAT SHIFT. WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM THE CONVERSATION IS WE'RE OPEN TO, WE'RE OPEN TO DOING IT WHEN A LOGISTICAL OR SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUE OR SOME UNUSUAL FACTOR CREATES AN UNANTICIPATED PROBLEM TOWARD THE END OF THE PROCESS. AND WE PUT RESTRICTIONS IN THAT THEY CAN'T TRANSFER OWNERSHIP OF THE LOT OTHER THAN IF THERE'S A REQUIREMENT TO TRANSFER SORT OF TO A LARGE ENTITY, RIGHT? THE HOME BUILDER. UM, AND THAT, WHAT I GATHER IS WE'RE OKAY LETTING 'EM GET STARTED ON A FEW LOTS AS MODELS, WHATNOT, BUT MAKE VERY CLEAR NO CO TILL YOU GET EVERYTHING DONE AND END AND THAT STAFF, YOU FRAME THAT UP, WRITE THAT UP AS OUR NEW KIND OF DIRECTION COME BACK TO US, WE'LL SAY, YEP, THAT'S GOOD. AND THEN AGAIN, IF WE GET TWO, THREE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, WE'RE NOT HAVING THOSE SAME SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES, WE MAY SHIFT BACK TO THE OLD POLICY AND GO, DON'T [00:40:01] EVEN BOTHER ASKING FOR IT ON RES STUFF. THAT'S HOW STAFF UNDERSTANDS IT. UM, IS GENERALLY WHERE COUNSEL IS FOR THE MOST PART RATHER THAN CONCERNS. WHY OPEN THAT UP A LITTLE BIT FROM SOME BECAUSE OF THOSE ISSUES. COUNCIL MEMBER BROWN. YEAH, I THINK YOU JUST SAID IT CLEARLY. THERE IT IS. IT IS A VARIANCE FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, SO, RIGHT. YEAH. SO WE, IF IF THIS IS A ONE TIME DEAL, THAT'S FINE, BUT IT'S NOT A TRUE POLICY SHIFT. YEAH. I I, LET ME JUST OFFER THIS LIKELY, WE'LL, WE'LL TRY TO COME BACK IN FAIRLY SHORT ORDER 'CAUSE I THINK I HAVE IT. I WOULD BET YOU'LL SEE A FEW OF THESE, A COUPLE MORE THIS CALENDAR YEAR, RIGHT? NOT EVERYBODY, BECAUSE OFTEN WHAT WE GET IS LET US FILE, APPLY IT RIGHT BEFORE WE START PUSHING DIRT. AND WE'RE NOT DOING THAT. NO. FROM WHAT, FROM WHAT I'M LOOKING AT HERE IS, UM, I UNDERSTAND THE DEVELOPER'S SITUATION HERE BECAUSE OF THE SUPPLY ISSUES. UH, WE EXPERIENCED THEM SEVERAL TIMES. I MEAN, LOOK AT LIVE OAK, IT TOOK ALMOST SIX MONTHS TO FINISH THAT. AND ON, ON CARMEL, IF I, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, WE LIMITED TO FIVE HOUSES. SO THEY COULDN'T HAVE THEIR MODEL HOMES. I DON'T THINK WE OPENED CARMEL FOR ALL PUMP AND HALL. YOU DID. WE DID. YOU DID. WELL LEMME BE CLEAR, YOU DIDN'T OPEN ALL OF CARMEL TO PUMP AND HALL, BUT YOU DIDN'T LIMIT IT TO FIVE. RIGHT? THERE'S NOT A LIMITATION ON CARMEL BEING ABLE TO SELL LOTS TO FUTURE HOME BUYERS. SO YEAH, POTENTIALLY IF THIS THING DRAGS OUT WITH THE LIFT STATION, YOU COULD HAVE PEOPLE LIVING IN HOMES AT CARMEL WITH A TRUCK COMING IN, DOING THE PUMP HOME HOME AT THEIR EXPENSE. AT THEIR EXPENSE. RIGHT? AT THEIR EXPENSE. MM-HMM, . OKAY. I THINK IT'S 40 LOTS OR SOMETHING. 60 WATTS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. MM-HMM. . NO. AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, AN ISSUE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS WHOLE VACCINE THING, THIS WHOLE COVID HAS REALLY PUT A, A STRAIN ON THE SUPPLY LINES. UH, AND I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THE DEVELOPER AND ALL THE DIFFERENT LOGISTIC ISSUES THAT SURFACE MM-HMM. , UH, NOT ONLY WITH MATERIALS, BUT MANPOWER AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT DEALS WITH IT. SO I UNDERSTAND, UH, THE ISSUE HERE AND I, AND I THINK, UH, WELL THIS COUNCIL HAS TO DECIDE, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO IN THIS SITUATION? UH, BECAUSE EACH, EACH SUBDIVISION IS GOING TO HAVE THEIR OWN CHALLENGES. EACH ONE IS GOING TO HAVE THEIR OWN CHALLENGES. BUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE IS, IS TRY TO GIVE YOU DIRECTION THAT EVERY TIME THESE CHALLENGES OCCUR, , YOU HAVE MORE OR LESS A SENSE OF WHICH WAY TO LEAN. RIGHT? AND I THINK THAT'S TO HELP THE DEVELOPER, I THINKS WHERE STAFF'S COMING UP AND ASKING AND WHY WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING DENIAL AGAIN, AND WHY WE'RE NOT JUST RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. IS THERE IMPLICATIONS? AND WE'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT. YEAH. I THINK YOU COMMUNICATE WITH THE DEVELOPER AS YOU KNOW, HOW THIS COUNCIL FEELS. YES. ON THAT. I WOULD JUST CAUTION COUNSEL, EVERY DEVELOPER HAS A REASON THAT'S NOT THEIR FAULT. WHY STUFF'S NOT DONE. HOW MANY, MANY CALLS ON RE-VEG HAVE YOU GUYS RECEIVED FROM PEOPLE OVER THE YEARS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE. BUT I THINK I KNOW IF SAM IS HERE OR SOMEWHERE, LIKE HOW MANY AGREEMENT YOU DID THE SPREADSHEET, HOW MANY DO WE HAVE KICKING OUT THERE? JUST GENERAL OF DIFFERENT TYPES? WE GOT PROBABLY WE, YEAH, 5, 6, 7, BUT 20 OR SO TOTAL OPEN. SO AGAIN, IT'S, WE GOT A SPREADSHEET, WE MANAGE 'EM, EVERYBODY'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. REMEMBER THE DATES, WHEN'S THE, WHEN'S THE SURETY, YOU KNOW, DEADLINE HAPPEN AGAIN. NOT, NOT THE END OF THE WORLD, IT'S JUST, IT, IT COMES WITH WORK. UM, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF WORK. YOU GOTTA WORK WELL. WELL, COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS. YEAH, I MEAN I, I STILL, I STILL, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS. I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LOGISTIC ISSUE WITH A LIFT STATION. MM-HMM. FOR CARMEL, WE APPROVED A PUMP AND HAUL 'CAUSE OF A LOGISTIC ISSUE. THEY CAN'T TIE INTO THE REGULAR SERVICE YET. I MEAN, WELL, I MEAN THE REALITY OF IT IS FOR, FOR SADDLEBROOK, THEY ALREADY HAVE THE CHECKS AND BALANCES OF SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA DO THE PLAT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE A, A BUILDER BUILD ON THAT LOT, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA GET A CO WE'RE NOT GONNA LET 'EM SELL TO SOMEBODY THAT SOMEONE MOVE IN. RIGHT. THE REALITY OF IT IS IF SOMETHING CHANGES AND THERE'S STILL A LOGISTIC ISSUE, COULD THEY NOT ALSO CONSIDER A PUMP AND HAUL AGREEMENT? THEY THEY, THEY COULD. THEY COULD. I LIKELY THEY WOULD COME IN AND ASK FOR A PUMP AND HAUL AGREEMENT. YES. AND YOU'D HAVE US UP HERE AGAIN GOING, NOW WE WANNA PUMP AND IT'S AGAIN, GIVE 'EM US A COOKIE. YEAH. I I GET, I GET THAT. BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, TO ME, TO ME IT'S, IT'S NOT, THE STAFF HAS NOT COME IN AND SAID, WELL, THE DEVELOPER DOESN'T WANT TO DO THIS. AND THE DEVELOPER DOES NOT WANNA BUILD THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE STANDARDS THAT WE EXPECT IN OUR COMMUNITY. YOU'RE TELLING US THAT [00:45:01] THERE'S TIME ISSUES HERE, THERE'S LOGISTIC ISSUES. UH, AND AGAIN, WE'VE SEEN THAT IN SO MANY OTHER AREAS. SO TO ME, THE OPTION IS EITHER WE, WE LOOK AT A VARIANCE, UH, SO THAT THIS DEVELOPER CAN PRESS ON AND WE CAN MOVE THIS CAN DOWN THE ROAD OR WE SAY, NO, LET'S JUST STOP EVERYTHING. AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT MM-HMM. VISION TO TAKE FOR THE CITY. 'CAUSE OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL PUT BRAKES ON DARN NEAR EVERYTHING. YEAH, UNDERSTOOD. AND AGAIN, THAT'S I THINK WHY STAFF DIDN'T COME WITH THE DENIAL BECAUSE OF WHAT COUNCIL HAD DONE BEFORE. AGAIN, WHAT STAFF WAS ALSO TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO GO THAT FAR, IS TO ESSENTIALLY ALLOW SUBDIVISION IMPROVEMENT AGREEMENTS FOR SINGLE FAMILY RES LIKE WE DO COMMERCIAL. MR. MAYOR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE 24 R 95. SECOND, SECOND, HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS, SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER GIBSON. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COUNCIL, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. WE CAN PUBLISH THE VOTE, PLEASE. WE HAVE SIX AYES. ONE OBJECTION. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU MR. JAMES. YOU'RE WELCOME. I GET TO STAY UP HERE TOO NOW. ALRIGHT, [7. Resolution 24-R-96 - Authorizing a tenth amendment to the Interlocal Agreement with the Alamo Area Council of Governments (AACOG) to provide funding for transit services in the City of Schertz. (S.Williams/B.James)] WE MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, RESOLUTION NUMBER 24 R 96, AUTHORIZING THE 10TH AMENDMENT TO THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE ALAMO AREA COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENT, ACOG, TO PROVIDE FUNDING FOR THE TRANSIT SERV SERVICES AND THE CITY OF SHIRTS. MR. JAMES FLOOR'S. YOURS THA THANK YOU MAYOR. UM, SO FOR ABOUT THE LAST 10 YEARS, WE HAVE ENTERED INTO THESE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS WITH THE ALAMO, ALAMO AREA COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS TO PROVIDE GENERALLY ON CALL ON DEMAND AND THEN A DEVIATED FIXED ROUTE FOR RESIDENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY. RIGHT? AND SO THIS IS ESSENTIALLY SOMEBODY YOU CAN'T DRIVE, NEEDS A RIDE TO WORK, NEEDS A RIDE SHOPPING, NEEDS A RIDE TO A DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT. IT'S A LOW COST WAY FOR THEM TO CALL UP. AND AGAIN, BASED ON VARIOUS FACTORS, DICTATES WHAT THEY PAY. THEY CAN GET THAT, THAT RIDE. UM, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, IT'S, IT'S NOT AN INEXPENSIVE PROGRAM, OKAY? IT'S, IT'S FAIRLY EXPENSIVE TO RIDE BECAUSE AGAIN, OFTEN THE FOLKS HERE, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THEY HAD ANOTHER MEANS TO GET THERE, THEY WOULD USE THE OTHER MEANS TO GET THERE. SOME, MAYBE THEY HAVE LIMITED MOBILITY, MAYBE THEY NEED HELP GETTING IN AND OUT OF THE VEHICLE. UM, YOU KNOW, LIMITED, LIMITED FINANCIAL RESOURCES, ET CETERA. UM, TO, TO SORT OF RUN THE PROGRAM. AND, AND AGAIN, THE COST FOR THIS, WHEN WE'VE LOOKED AT OTHER CITIES ARE, ARE, ARE IN LINE WITH THAT. UM, WHEN WE, WHEN WE STARTED OUT WITH THE PROGRAM, I THINK BACK IN 11 YEARS AGO, OUR, OUR MATCH MONEY WAS 22,500. IT WENT UP 2015, I THINK, TO 29,000. IT CAME DOWN SLIGHTLY. WE HIT COVID, WHICH WAS SORT OF A WHOLE WEIRD TIMEFRAME. AND IN 2019 IT, IT WENT UP TO WHAT IT IS, WHICH IS 42 6 6 6, AND IT'S, IT'S STAYED THERE. UM, THIS YEAR THE NUMBERS IN TERMS OF RIDES HAS, HAS GONE DOWN FOR SHIRTS TO THE POINT THAT I THINK STAFF IS SAYING, IN LIGHT OF THAT, AND IN LIGHT OF WHAT SOME OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE DOING, WE PROBABLY OUGHT TO START TAKING A DEEPER LOOK AT OTHER ALTERNATIVES ARE OUT THERE TO BE CLEAR, WE'RE NOT SAYING NOT APPROVE IT. WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS IN PART BECAUSE, AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST SOMETIMES IT TAKES ACOG A WHILE TO GET THIS STUFF TO US. THIS AGREEMENT IS FOR THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR WE'RE IN THAT WE'RE THREE-FOURTHS OF THE WAY THROUGH THAT THEY'RE COUNTING ON THE FUNDING AND THEY'RE COUNTING ON THE MATCH FROM VIA ON. THEY PROVIDED THE SERVICE IN GOOD FAITH STAFF HAD REMINDED THEM KIND OF TO PROVIDE IT. SO IT'S NOT AS THOUGH WE'VE BEEN LAX AT IT, BUT, BUT UNDERSTAND SOME OF THEIR CHALLENGES. UM, SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS. WHAT WE WOULD DO IS GENERALLY COME BACK TO YOU, BUT WE'D LIKE TO, TO, WE TOLD ACOG, LOOK, YOU NEED TO HAVE US THE STATS FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR BEFORE THE END OF OCTOBER BECAUSE WE WANT TO TAKE THAT NEXT AGREEMENT, WHICH IS THE YEAR YOU'LL BE IN RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR. THE COST SHOULD STAY THE SAME. AND WE'RE GONNA SPEND ABOUT SIX MONTHS LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVES AND GIVE YOU AN EARLY ENOUGH HEADS UP OF WHETHER WE WANT TO STAY IN THIS PROGRAM, IN THIS FORM, WHETHER WE WANNA WORK WITH YOU ON SOME DIFFERENT FORMS OF IT, RIGHT? THERE'S, THERE'S MICRO RIDES ARE OUT THERE. WE'VE HAD SOME OF THE CITIES AROUND US IN TERMS OF, OF KYLE AND I THINK SAN MARCOS HAVE EXPERIMENTED WITH SORT OF UBER CREDIT THINGS WHERE PEOPLE CAN CALL UP UBER AND, AND THEY FUND PART OF THE COST OF THAT RIDE FOR, FOR THEIR CITY'S RESIDENTS. UM, WHICH IS AGAIN, MAYBE A WAY TO DO IT. THE EXAMPLE I USE IS, YEAH, MY MOTHER WHO'S 81 OH, SHE'S NOT WATCHING, COULD NOT MANAGE TO KIND OF CALL AN UBER ON HER OWN. SHE COULD, SHE COULD DO THIS PROGRAM THE RIDE, SHE CAN PICK UP HER LANDLINE AND SHE CAN DIAL AND TALK TO SOMEONE AND TELL 'EM WHERE SHE NEEDS TO BE, AND THEN PLAN FOR [00:50:01] THEM TO BE THERE AND TAKE HER TO THE DOCTOR AND BACK. AND SO IT FITS A ROLE. BUT I THINK IN LIGHT OF THAT, WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING IS THAT YOU APPROVE THIS TONIGHT. WE'VE ALREADY TOLD ACOG WE WANT TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL IN EARLY NOVEMBER WITH THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR WE'RE ROLLING TO. AND THEN STAFF IS GONNA SPEND TIME PROBABLY WITH T SAC REALLY DIGGING INTO WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE DOING, HOW THEY SUPPLEMENT, THINGS LIKE THAT. AND THEN GIVE YOU PLENTY OF NOTICE WHAT OUR DIRECTION'S GONNA BE THE FOLLOWING YEAR IN, IN LIGHT OF THAT, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO FILL THE GAP RIGHT NOW. WE'D HAVE PEOPLE WITHOUT SERVICE. WE MAY LOOK AT IT AND SAY, FOR THE, FOR THE PORTION OF THE COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE SERVING, THIS REALLY IS THE BEST WAY TO GO. AGAIN, SOME ISSUES HAVE COME UP WITH WHAT EVERYBODY'S PAYS ON THIS. I THINK STAFF HAS HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT. THAT, AND, AND AGAIN, BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR. WE NEED TO REALLY LOOK AT HOW THE OVERALL PROGRAM IS FUNDED. NOW, IN PART WHAT THAT IS, IS BECAUSE NEW BRAUNFELS THAT WAS PART OF OUR URBANIZED, UH, SERVICE AREA, HAS GONE INTO THEIR OWN. SO THIS BIG POT OF MONEY THAT WE HAD TO SERVE A NUMBER OF COMMUNITIES, THAT POT SIZE HAS SHIFTED AND CHANGED. UM, AND, AND, AND FRANKLY, THEY HAVEN'T GONE UP ON OUR COST ON FIVE YEARS, WHICH, YOU KNOW, COSTS HAVE KIND OF GONE UP. WE CAN LOOK AT EFFICIENCIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, AND WE THINK THAT WHEN THEY COME BACK, YOU KNOW, AND DO THAT LOOK, IT'S UNDERSTAND HOW THAT PROGRAM IS GONNA BE FUNDED, WHO FUNDS WHAT AND WHAT. BUT AGAIN, ESSENTIALLY THE WAY IT WORKS IS THEY TAKE OUR MONEY, OUR 42, THAT ALLOWS 'EM TO GET MATCH MONEY FROM VIA IN THAT SAME AMOUNT TO THROW IN. AND THEN AGAIN, IN COST OF THIS SERVICE THAT SERVES KIND OF THIS AREA, ACOG KICKS IN SOME AS WELL. BUT AGAIN, MUCH LIKE OUR EMS SERVICE, THERE'S PROBABLY SOMETHING TO BE SAID FOR, WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT HOW WE APPORTION THOSE COSTS TO COMMUNITIES IN THE AREA BASED ON POPULATION OR BASED ON RIDES SO THAT IT'S, IT'S FAIR GOING FORWARD. SO LONG-WINDED, WE'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS. WE'VE ALREADY TOLD ACOG NEED THE STATS QUICK, WE'LL COME BACK IN NOVEMBER, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THAT. BUT THAT THEN WE'RE GONNA SPEND A FEW MONTHS DECIDING WHAT WE DO TO BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU A NOTICE OF DIRECTION. BUT AT THIS POINT, AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE A DIFFERENT PROGRAM TO FILL THIS AND, AND WE HAVEN'T NECESSARILY, WE'VE NOT FOUND ANY COMMUNITY THAT HAS FOUND, OH, HERE'S THE ONE SOLUTION TO MEET EVERYBODY NEED. AND IT'S REALLY EXPENSIVE. AND CERTAINLY IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE DOING, THERE'S SOME THAT ARE PAYING A WHOLE LOT MORE FOR, FOR SORT OF SERVICE. SO THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE SAID FOR SOME ECONOMIES OF SCALE AS OPPOSED TO WE'RE KIND OF OUT BY OURSELVES HAVING TO FUND THE FULL COST. COUNCIL MEMBER GIBSON, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 24 DASH R DASH 96. SECOND, THAT WAS KIND OF QUICK WITHOUT, UH, PROVIDING ANY COUNSEL ANY OPPORTUNITY TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS. UM, IF I COULD JUST TAKE A MOMENT TO ASK A COUPLE QUESTIONS HERE. UM, OUR, YOU SAID OUR, OUR TOTAL'S 42 6 66 AND WE ONLY HAD 1973 RIDES. WE'RE LOOKING AT $25 A TRIP THAT WE'RE PAYING FOR. THAT'S, THAT'S AT THE CITY'S COST. THAT'S AGAIN, WHEN YOU FACTOR IN THE VIA MATCH AND YOU FACTOR IN WHAT ACOG KICKS IN, THE, THE COST PER RIDE IS, IS UP OVER $80, $80 A TRIP. EXACTLY. NOW IN THIS SITUATION, BECAUSE THE SERVICES HAVE BEEN PROVIDED, I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER GIBSON IS RIGHT, WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND, AND APPROVE THIS RESOLUTION BECAUSE THE SERVICES HAVE BEEN PROVIDED. BUT I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE LOOK AT ALTERNATIVES, UH, SO THAT WE CAN, WE CAN, UM, AND LET ME BE CLEAR, I MISSPOKE THE, THE COST ON A MONTHLY BASIS PER TRIP RANGES FROM, LOOKS LIKE IT'S ABOUT $45 UP TO $65 DEPENDING ON HOW MANY, HOW, HOW MANY TRIPS THERE ARE. THAT'S ONLY ONE WAY. THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE ONE WAY. YEAH. YEAH. IT'S AN EXPENSIVE PROGRAM. WE AGREE. AND IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN. UM, AND, AND SO AGAIN, WE WANNA LOOK AT WHAT OTHER OPTIONS ARE OUT THERE, BUT CURRENTLY WE DON'T HAVE ANY. THIS IS ALL WE HAVE. SO THAT'S WHY I'M ING THERE'S ALTERNATIVES. BUT THERE ARE, THERE ARE SOME ALTERNATIVES. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STAFF WOULD SAY IS WE, BECAUSE WE, WE FAIRLY RECENTLY GOT THE DATA, WHICH IS WHAT WE KINDA WAIT FOR EVERY YEAR TO SAY, NEED THE DATA. NEED THE DATA. LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE COST FOR RIDE. THE NUMBER OF RIDES, UM, IS THAT WE HAVEN'T FULLY DELVED INTO IT TO SAY, AS WE EXPECT, COUNSEL WOULD SAY, DO WE HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE THAT IS GOING TO REASONABLY MEET THE NEED? NOT EVERYBODY'S ENTIRELY HAPPY OF THE FOLKS WHO NEED IT, RIGHT? OR ARE WE GONNA SAY, OH, WE'VE [00:55:01] GOT THIS IDEA. YOU COULD DO THIS. I'LL SAY, OH, GREAT, STEPH, THAT SOUNDS GREAT. LET'S DO IT. AND THEN YOU'RE GETTING CALL AFTER CALL AFTER CALL PEOPLE GOING, THIS DOESN'T MEET MY NEED. AND YOU'RE GOING STAFF, YOU DIDN'T TELL ME THAT. RIGHT? THE, THE POPULATION THAT MOST NEEDS THE HELP WE, WE'VE LEFT OUT. AND, AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO, I THINK, FULLY EXPLORE. OKAY. MOTIONS BEEN MADE BY COUNCIL MEMBER GIBSON, SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER WATSON. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BAUS, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? NO, IT WASN'T A QUESTION. I JUST THINK THAT THE STAFF'S ON THE RIGHT, UH, DIRECTORY ON THIS JUST DON'T REALLY HAVE MUCH OPTION RIGHT NOW. BUT LET'S TAKE A LOOK TO SEE IF THERE ARE BETTER OPTIONS, WHETHER FOR CUSTOMER SERVICE, COST AND EVERYTHING INCLUDED. SO, THANK YOU. OKAY, COUNCIL MEMBER WESTBROOK, DO WE HAPPEN TO KNOW THE, UH, DEMOGRAPHICS OF THE RIDERS VA VETERANS? UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE MIGHT MOST, AGAIN, ARE, ARE OVER 60. I MEAN, THE VAST, UH, WE'VE GOT A SUBSTANTIAL NUMBER THAT YOU KNOW ARE OVER 60. MORE THAN HALF. CALL IT TWO THIRDS. SO IT TENDS TO BE AN ELDERLY POPULATION. I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE GOT A BREAKDOWN ON THE NUMBER THAT ARE VETERANS. WE COULD, WE COULD ASK, SEE IF THEY COLLECT THAT DATA. UM, BUT IT TENDS TO BE AN ELDERLY POPULATION FOR THOSE WITH DISABILITIES. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? MOTIONS BEEN MADE. COUNCIL, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. WE CAN PUBLISH THE VOTE, PLEASE. WE HAVE SEVEN AYES, NO OBJECTIONS. MOTION PASSES. [8. Resolution 24-R-100 - Authorizing a purchase from Musco Sports Lighting, LLC, a Buyboard Purchasing Cooperative Vendor, for the Schertz Soccer Complex Lighting Project. (S. Gonzalez/L. Shrum) ] ALRIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. ORDINANCE NUMBER 24 S 1 45 APPROVE. WE MAY RE APPROVING A REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 3.3 ACRES OF LAND FROM MANUFACTURING LIGHT DISTRICT M1 TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT R SIX, KNOWN AS ELL COUNTY PROPERTY IDENTIFICATION NUMBER 7 5 3 0 7, A PORTION OF PROPERTY, ALSO KNOWN AS 7 4 4 4 FM 4 82. CITY OF CHARLOTTE, AL COUNTY, TEXAS. FINAL READING. NOW THIS ITEM WAS ON OUR PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEETING. COUNCIL MEMBER WESTBROOK WAS NOT IN ATTENDANCE, THEREFORE WE DIDN'T HAVE A UNANIMOUS VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER. WESTBROOK, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THE PRESENTATION? YES. ALRIGHT, MR. HAAS FLOOR IS YOURS. GOOD EVENING. ORDINANCE 24 S 1 45 ZONE CHANGE FOR MANUFACTURING LIGHT DISTRICT M1 TO SINGLE FIRM RESIDENTIAL R SIX. SO THIS IS A, UH, 3.3 ACRE REQUEST TO REZONE OUT OF A LARGER LOT THAT IS, UH, APPROXIMATELY 4.25 ACRES. IT'S UP ON FM 42. THIS IS THE, JUST KINDA GET YOUR BEARINGS HERE. THIS IS 4 82. THIS IS IN THE NORTH OF SHIRTS. SO RIGHT NOW THERE IS A, UH, EXISTING RESIDENTIAL USE AND A BUSINESS ON THE PROPERTY. UM, ON JUNE 21ST, 2024, A TOTAL OF SIX PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES WERE SENT OUT. THERE WERE ZERO RESPONSES, UH, AND ONE SIGN WAS POSTED ON THE PROPERTY. SO, AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS WHAT THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO DO. THIS IS ALL ONE PROPERTY HERE, UH, AND THEY'RE JUST REQUESTING TO REZONE PORTIONS OF THEIR PROPERTY. SO THEY'RE GONNA NOT REZONE THE MIDDLE STRIP HERE, AND THEY'RE GOING TO REZONE THE R SIX THERE. SO, AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED IN UH, PREVIOUSLY, RIGHT NOW THERE'S A PERMITTED BUSINESS ON THE PROPERTY. UH, AND THERE'S ALSO A NON-CONFORMING USE OF A RESIDENCE. SO THE CITY OF CHURCHS DOES NOT PERMIT, UH, RESIDENTIAL USES IN COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS. SO, UH, BASICALLY WHAT THE PROPERTY OWNER'S TRYING TO DO IS BUILD A BIGGER HOME AND THEN IN ORDER TO DO THAT, THEY HAVE TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH CITY CODE AND REZONE IT TO A RESIDENTIAL PORTION, BUT THEY WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THEIR BUSINESS AS WELL. SO THEY ARE LEAVING THE CENTER STRIP OF THEIR PROPERTY IN ONE IN ORDER TO KEEP THEIR EXISTING BUSINESS, WHICH WHICH THEY'VE HAD. SO WHEN WE'RE EVALUATING, UM, UH, ZONE CHANGES, WE LOOK AT UDC, SECTION 2154 D UH, AND I'LL JUST GO THROUGH THIS ONE OUTTA TIME FOR YOU. SO, WHETHER THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE OR ZONING MAP AMENDMENT IMPLEMENTS THE POLICY OF THE ADOPTED COMP COMPREHENSIVE LAND PLAN, INCLUDING THE LAND USE CLASSIFICATION ON THE PROPERTY OF THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. SO WITH THIS PROPERTY, UH, THE COMP PLAN ACTUALLY DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS MIXED USE CENTER, WHICH IS INTENDED TO INTEGRATE, UH, RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, AND OFTEN ENTERTAINMENT SPACES. UM, THIS WAS DONE WITH THE IDEA OF HAVING THIS AS A FUTURE NEW TOWN CENTER, THIS WHOLE AREA AT ONE POINT, AND I'LL KIND OF SHOW YOU THAT ON THE MAP HERE. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS PROPERTY IS IN A YELLOW OUTLINE IN YELLOW HERE, AND [01:00:01] THE MIXED USE CENTER IS ALONG THE RAIL TRACKS. UM, AND THAT IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE COMP PLAN. SO THIS IS ACTUALLY INCREASING A LITTLE BIT OF THAT DENSER RESIDENTIAL IS WHAT, WHAT WHAT WE WANNA SEE IN THAT MIXED USE CENTER. UH, NUMBER TWO, WHETHER PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE OR ZONING MAP, AMENDMENT ACROSS THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND GENERAL WELFARE OF THE CITY AND THE SAFE, ORDERLY, EFFICIENT AND HEALTH DEVELOPMENT. THE CITY SHOULD ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S COMPATIBLE WITH ACTUALLY SURROUNDING, UH, USES. AND THE SURROUNDING AREA IS CONSISTING OF MOSTLY OPEN SPACE RESIDENCES. UH, DANVILLE MIDDLE SCHOOL IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. UH, YES SIR. THE, UM, WHEN YOU SENT OUT THE TO THE NEIGHBORS, YOU RECEIVED ANY NEGATIVE? NO NEGATIVE, NO. NOTHING OPPOSED? NOTHING IN FAVOR, NOTHING. NEUTRAL. I HAVE ENOUGH TO MAKE A DECISION IF YOU WANNA STOP. SURE. ? YEAH. ALRIGHT. STAFF'S RECOMMENDING, UH, APPROVAL, UH, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WAS SIX TO ZERO. AND AS MENTIONED BEFORE, UH, CITY COUNCIL ALSO RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. THANK YOU, MR. HAAS. ALL RIGHT, COUNSEL FLOORS OPEN FOR QUESTIONS. ANY QUESTIONS? THIS IS OUR FINAL READING ON ORDINANCE 24 S 1 45. DO I HAVE MOTION TO APPROVE? SO, MOVE. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY. HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCIL MEMBER WATSON AND SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER HAYWARD. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COUNCIL, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. WE CAN PUBLISH THE VOTE, PLEASE. WE HAVE SEVEN AYES, NO OBJECTIONS. MOTION PASSES. [9. Ordinance 24-S-145 - Approving a request to rezone approximately 3.3 acres of land from Manufacturing – Light District (M-1) to Single-Family Residential District (R-6), known as Comal County Property Identification Number 75307, a portion of the property also known as 7444 FM 482, City of Schertz, Comal County, Texas. Final Reading (B.James/L.Wood/S.Haas)] WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER NINE. RESOLUTION NUMBER 24 R 100, AUTHORIZING A PURCHASE FROM MOSCOW SPORTS LIGHTING, LLCA BUYBOARD PURCHASING COOPERATIVE VENDOR FOR THE SHIRTS. SOCCER COMPLEX SL PROJECT. MS. GONZALEZ FLOOR. YOURS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO I AM FILLING IN FOR LAUREN TONIGHT. UH, SARAH GAL GONZALEZ, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, EXCITED TO BE HERE FOR THIS PROJECT AND FOR THE NEXT STEP. UM, ON IT, IT'S AN ITEM THAT Y'ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH, WE TALKED ABOUT MULTIPLE TIMES. THIS IS THE LIGHTING FOR THE SOCCER COMPLEX. UM, WHEN IT WAS BUILT, IT WAS ONLY BUILT WITH TWO LIGHTED FIELDS. UM, AT THE TIME, CONDUIT WAS INSTALLED FOR FUTURE WIRING AT THE TIME OF CONSTRUCTION ON ALL THE FIELDS EXCEPT FIELD 12. UM, THIS PROJECT IS TO RUN ELECTRICAL WIRING THROUGH THE EXISTING CONDUITS, INSTALL NEW CONDUIT AND WIRE TO FIELD 12 AND INSTALL LIGHT STRUCTURE SYSTEM. IT'S ALSO GONNA INCLUDE RETROFITTING THE EXISTING LIGHTS ON FIELD ONE AND FIELD TWO TO LED FOR MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT SAVINGS AND BETTER LIGHT CONTROL. SO THIS PROJECT, AS I MENTIONED, HAS BEEN LISTED ON THE PARK CIP DOCUMENT AND EARLIER THIS YEAR, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION COMMITTED FUNDING OF 1.7 MILLION AND THE REMAINING FUNDING WILL COME FROM THE PARKS BUDGET. UH, THE VENDOR PROPOSED AS MUSCO AS THE MAYOR MENTIONED, AND WE HAVE USED MUSCO IN THE PAST FOR THE BASEBALL FIELD LIGHTS AT THE JOHNNY MCDOWELL BASEBALL COMPLEX. AND THE CURRENT LIGHTING AT THE SOCCER COM COMPLEX IS MUSCO. SO ALL THE NEW ITEMS THAT, UM, I MENTIONED WILL INTEGRATE WITH THE OLD AND THEIR TECHNOLOGY. UM, SO NOW ONCE APPROVED, THE TIMEFRAME WE ARE LOOKING AT IS ABOUT EIGHT TO 10 WEEK DELIVERY OF LIGHTS UPON ORDER AND THEN PLANNING TO START CONSTRUCTION ONCE THE FALL SEASON ENDS. UM, WE ARE HOPEFULLY LOOKING AT IN NOVEMBER TO JANUARY TIME CONSTRUCTION FRAME, AND THE PLAN WOULD BE THAT IT WOULD BE HOPEFULLY READY TO GO IN TIME FOR SPRING SEASON. SO, UM, AGAIN, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE OR DO MY BEST, BUT WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS COUNCIL MEMBER MACALUSO. HAS THERE BEEN, UH, WHAT'S THE CURRENT POLICY WITH THE, WITH THE FIELDS AND THE LIGHTING ARE IS THE, WITH WHAT? I'M SORRY. ARE THE CUSTOMERS BEING CHARGED FOR USE OF THE FIELDS WITH THE LIGHTING? SO YES, WE HAVE, UH, AGREEMENTS WITH, UM, GRAYA THAT, THAT RUNS. IT'S LIKE A, UM, A LICENSE AGREEMENT AND SO THEY ARE PAYING A PORTION OF IT. BUT AS WE DISCUSSED AS THIS, AS THIS GOES IN TO LOOK AT THOSE AGREEMENTS AND TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, FACTOR IN, 'CAUSE IT IS GONNA BE AN INCREASE OF ELECTRICITY USE AND HOW THAT'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, PASSED ON LOOKING AT RESIDENT NON-RESIDENT USAGE. SO THAT WILL BE, THAT WILL BE LOOKED AT. OKAY. THANK YOU COUNCIL. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COUNCIL MEMBER WATSON MOTION. WE APPROVE RESOLUTION 24 R 100. SECOND MOTION HAS BEEN MADE BY COUNCIL MEMBER WATSON AND SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER BROWN. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COUNCIL, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. WE CAN PUBLISH THE VOTE, PLEASE. WE HAVE SEVEN AYES, NO OBJECTIONS. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MS. GONZALEZ. ALRIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR PUBLIC HEARING. ITEM NUMBER 10, ORDINANCE [10. Ordinance 24-T-150 - Conduct a Public Hearing and Adopt a budget for the fiscal year beginning October 1, 2024, and ending September 30, 2025, in accordance with the Charter of the City of Schertz, Texas; providing for the filing of the Budget; providing that this Ordinance shall be cumulative of all Ordinances; providing a Severability Clause; and providing an Effective Date. First Reading (S.Gonzalez/J.Walters)] NUMBER 20 T ONE 50. CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND ADOPT A BUDGET FOR THE FISCAL YEAR, BEGINNING OCTOBER 1ST, 2024, [01:05:02] AND ENDING SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2025. IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CHARTER OF THE CITY OF SHEZ, TEXAS, PROVIDING FOR A FILLING OF THE BUDGET, PROVIDING FOR THIS ORDINANCE SHOULD BE CUMULATIVE OF ALL ORDINANCES, PROVIDING A FAVORABILITY CLAUSE AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. MR. WALTERS FLOOR IS YOURS. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNSEL. MY NAME IS JAMES WALTERS. I'M THE FINANCE DIRECTOR FOR THE CITY OF SHIRTZ. TONIGHT I'M GONNA GO OVER THE, UH, BUDGET PRESENTATION, UH, REAL QUICKLY AND THEN MOVE SO WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION. SO THE BUDGET OVERVIEW AND UPDATE. SO THE BUDGET PRIORITIES, UH, STAFF AND COUNCIL CAME TOGETHER, UM, FOR STAFF COMPENSATION GOAL TWO, INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, FOCUSING ON STREET MAINTENANCE REPAIR, UH, PROVIDING A CONSOLIDATED CIP DOCUMENT, INCREASING STAFFING LEVELS AND GOAL FIVE NEW MODEL FACILITIES FOR THE OPERATING BUDGET PROPOSED FOR NEXT YEAR IS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED. IT INCLUDES THE HEALTH INSURANCE SAVINGS FOR ALL FUNDS, UH, THAT WE APPROVED EARLIER TONIGHT. UM, WAGE ADJUSTMENTS INCLUDING A MARKET POSITION FOR, UM, COMPENSATION OR MAINTAINING THAT CURRENT, UH, POSITION WE HAVE WITH AN ECI ADJUSTMENT OF ABOUT 4.4% THAT WOULD BE EFFECTIVE IN OCTOBER. AND A MERIT STEP PROGRAM COMING BACK AS IT WAS NOT DONE, UH, THIS CURRENT YEAR. AS WELL AS PROPOSED, UH, UH, ADDING ADDITIONAL INCENTIVE PAY ADJUSTMENTS WITH AN OVERALL IN COST INCREASE UNDER THE GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES. PROPOSED BUDGET WAS 53,111,000. THIS IS AN INCREASE OF JUST OVER 1.8 MILLION OR 3.6% FROM THE 2324 ADOPTED BUDGET. NON-PERSONNEL BUDGETS DECREASED ABOUT 1.9 WHILE STREET, UH, SUPPLIES, UTILITIES, TOUR PAYMENTS AND SOFTWARE MAINTENANCE, UH, WERE INCREASED. THEY WERE OFFSET BY LESS STREET MAINTENANCE. THAT WAS TEMPORARY FUNDED IN 2324. PERSONNEL BUDGETS INCREASED 8.4% CAUSED BY THE ECI ADJUSTMENTS, UH, FULL YEAR FUNDING OF POSITIONS THAT STARTED MID-YEAR, UH, THIS YEAR AND FULL YEAR FUNDING OF THE CLASS AND COMP STUDY. UH, WE HAD HIGHER DEPLOYMENT COSTS BUT WERE SLIGHTLY OFFSET BY THE, UH, LOWER INSURANCE COSTS THAT WERE APPROVED. SO IN, IN ADDITION FOR THE GENERAL FUND, WE HAD ABOUT $700,000 OF NON-DISCRETIONARY ITEM INCREASES, INCLUDES PROPERTY LIABILITY INSURANCE, UH, THE TOURIST CONTRIBUTION, UH, UTILITY INCREASES, MAINLY ELECTRICAL. AND, UH, THE, IT INCREASES OF 331,000. 144 WAS FOR THE PD RMS SOFTWARE THAT WAS APPROVED EARLY THIS YEAR. AS WELL AS THE, UH, REPLACING SOME G TAX, WHICH ARE THE, UH, LAPTOPS INSIDE OF OUR EMERGENCY SERVICE VEHICLES. UH, TO MAINTAIN SHE COMPLIANCE, THE OLDER MODELS DO NOT ACCEPT WINDOWS 11, WHICH THEY WILL NEED TO DO BY OCTOBER, 2025. UH, IN ADDITION, THERE'S 1.3 MILLION IN EXPANDED PROGRAMS, WHICH INCLUDES THE ECI, UH, THE MERIT STEP PROGRAM, ADJUSTMENTS TO OUR EXISTING INCENTIVE PAY, UM, UH, PROGRAM OF 125, OUR INCENTIVE PAY, WE DO HAVE THAT CURRENTLY. AND THE $125,000 LISTED IS THE CHANGES THAT WERE PROPOSED BY COUNT, UH, BY STAFF, AS WELL AS THE INSURANCE JUDGMENT, UH, FOR THE GENERAL FUND PORTION, 375,000. UM, IT'S ALSO LOWER THAN WE SAW IN THE PRESENTATION 'CAUSE THOSE CHANGES WILL ALSO AFFECT OR WON'T TAKE INTO EFFECT UNTIL JANUARY. SO WHAT WAS SHOWN BEFORE WAS A FULL 12 MONTH CYCLE, BUT FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, IT'LL ONLY BE FOR 10 MONTHS SINCE IT STARTS IN JANUARY INSTEAD OF OCTOBER. SO THE OVERALL BUDGETS FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS AS IT, UH, FINAL ADOPTED, UM, YOU CAN SEE GOING FROM 51.2 TO 53, 1 AS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED BY STAFF, THE CHANGES TO PERSONNEL WITH OUR, UM, ANTICIPATED YEAR END IN THE, UH, SHADED LINE, AND THEN THE PROPOSED FOR NEXT YEAR UNDER THE OPERATING, THE NON-PERSONNEL, NON-CAPITAL ITEMS, UH, DROPPING SLIGHTLY, UM, INCREASING A LITTLE BIT OVER THE YEAR PROJECTIONS ON THE CAPITAL OUTLAY. UH, THIS IS ONE WE'VE SEEN. AND, AND, UM, EMS DIRECTOR JASON MENTIONED EARLIER TONIGHT THAT WE'RE STILL SEEING SOME LONG LEAD TIMES FROM ORDERING SOME OF THE LARGER EQUIPMENTS. UM, THOSE HAVE HAPPENED OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS AND WE'RE SEEING A COUPLE MORE OF THOSE COME IN THIS YEAR, UH, WHICH IS WHY I ANTICIPATE SLIGHTLY HIGHER AMOUNT. ON THE JUMP FUND REVENUE SIDE. THE SALE VETERAN HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, UH, CONTINUES TO GROW. UM, IN THE CITY OF SHIRTZ. TOTAL EXEMPT VALUE IS JUST UNDER $1 BILLION NOW WITH TAXES FOR GONE, UH, $4.8 MILLION. AND JUST AN EXAMPLE, IF, UH, THAT EXEMPTION DID NOT EXIST WITH THE STATE OF TEXAS, UH, THE CITY COULD RAISE THE SAME AMOUNT OF TAX REVENUE THAT WE'VE, UH, ORIGINALLY PROPOSED, BUT WITH A RATE OF 0.4107 INSTEAD. UM, THE DVHS PROGRAM IS A, UH, GREAT PROGRAM. THE CITY OF SHERTZ CONTINUES TO SUPPORT AND ENCOURAGE, UM, THE VETERANS IN THE CITY AND AROUND THE STATE HAVE GIVEN A LOT. THIS IS [01:10:01] JUST A SMALL THING THAT WE CAN DO TO GIVE BACK TO THEM. UH, WE DO ASK THE STATE PROPERLY FUND THE PROGRAM. AND WITH THAT, COUNCIL APPROVED A RESOLUTION, UH, BACK IN JULY, UM, SUPPORTING LEGISLATION THAT WOULD PROPERLY FUND THE PROGRAM. UM, AND, BUT SADLY THERE HAS BEEN NO CHANGE TO THE STATE AID FUNDING AMOUNT FOR THIS NEXT YEAR. SO WE ACTUALLY HAD TWO MORE ENTITIES APPLYING FOR IT THIS YEAR, WHICH CUT OUR, UM, AMOUNT THAT WE RECEIVED FROM 1.2 MILLION TO $800,000 OUT OF THE 3.1 MILLION THAT WE REQUESTED. SO I'LL TOUCH ON THE TAX RATE AND I'LL NOTICE THE NEXT ITEM. UH, BUT THE TAX RATE DEFINITIONS. SO THE STATE HAS THIS CALCULATED A COUPLE OF OF RATES, THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE. SO THAT WOULD BE THE RATE THAT IF COUNCIL ADOPTED THE CITY WOULD RAISE THE SAME AMOUNT OF OVERALL TAX REVENUE THAT IT DID THE CURRENT YEAR. LET'S SAY IF WE DIDN'T ADD IN NEW PROPERTIES THAT WOULD GIVE, IF WE BOUGHT IN, UH, 21 MILLION, WE'D GET $21 MILLION IN TAX REVENUE WITH THAT RATE. PLUS, IF WE HAD NEW BUILDINGS THAT WERE DEVELOPED OR ADDED TO THE TAX ROLLS, THAT WOULD BE WHERE THE SOURCE OF THE INCREASE WOULD BE. THEY ALSO HAVE THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE, WHICH IS THE HIGHEST RATE COUNCIL CAN ADOPT WITHOUT TRIGGERING AN AUTOMATIC ELECTION. ALSO, THE CURRENT, UH, RATE, I'LL SHOW YOU ON THE NEXT SLIDE, AS WELL AS PROPOSED MAXIMUM AS ORIGINALLY PRESENTED BY STAFF. SO THE CURRENT RATE IS 0.4872. THE NO NEW REVENUE, UH, REVENUE RATE IS 0.4805. THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE IS 0.4990. AND THE PROPOSED TAX RATE, WHICH IS THE PRELIMINARY TAX RATE SET BY COUNSEL, UM, IS 0.4990. COUNSEL CAN ULTIMATELY ADOPT A RATE LOWER THAN THAT, BUT WE COULD NOT GO HIGHER AT THIS POINT. ONE PENDING IS EQUAL TO ABOUT 565, UH, THOUSAND DOLLARS IN REVENUE, OR 34 31 ANNUALLY. ON THE AVERAGE HOME, THE M AND O RATE, WHICH IS THE RATE THAT GOES INTO OUR GENERAL FUND THAT PLAYS PAYS FOR NORMAL DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS FOR THE CITY, UH, WOULD GO FROM 0.3324 TO THREE FOUR. THE INS RATE, WHICH GOES SOLELY TO PAY THE CITY'S DEBT, WOULD GO FROM 0.158 TO 0.1547. FOR A TOTAL INCREASE FROM 0.4872 TO 0.499. WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE ON THE TAX BILLS. THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE, UH, WOULD RAISE THE AVERAGE TAX BILL TO $63 AND 47 CENTS, WHICH WOULD BE AN INCREASE OF 3.9% AS AN ANNUAL INCREASE. UH, IF WE MAINTAIN THE CURRENT RATE OF 0.4872, IT WOULD BE AN AVERAGE INCREASE OF 2298 ANNUALLY OR ABOUT 1.4% INCREASE. HISTORICALLY, THE TAX RATES, UM, FOR, UM, SORRY, IN 2018 WE HAD 0.5146 2019. WE MAINTAINED THAT 5 1 4 6 IN 2020, WE DROPPED TO 5 1 2 1. MAINTAINED THAT IN 2021 AT 5 1 2, 1 20 22, WE DROPPED TO 4 9 5. THE CURRENT YEAR WE'RE AT 4 8 7 2, AND THE ORIGINAL PROPOSED WAS 4 9 9 0 FOR NEXT YEAR. UH, THE ORANGE IS THE I NS RATE AND THE BLUE IS THE M AND O, THE FIVE YEAR FORECAST FOR THE GENERAL FUND, WE'RE CURRENTLY PROJECTED TO BE ABOUT 31% OF OUR OPERATING REVENUES IN OUR FUND BALANCE WITH THE PROPOSED BUDGET NEXT YEAR. WITH OUR, UH, EXPENSES HIGHER THAN OUR REVENUES, WE PROPOSE TO DROP THAT DOWN TO 25%. OUR ORDINANCE LETS US, UH, TAKE IT ONE YEAR TO GET BACK TO THE 26% WITH A PLAN, WHICH WE PLAN TO DO BY 25, 26, AND THEN, UH, COULD CONTINUE TO GROW. BUT THAT IS A REPRESENTATION OF OUR CAPACITY FOR NEW PROGRAMS. UH, GOING FORWARD, THE INS RATE, THE INS RATE OF 1574, IT ALLOWS US TO ISSUE THE $20 MILLION. WE'LL BE BACK ON NEXT COUNCIL MEETING FOR 24 25. THE FOLLOWING, WE COULD DO ANOTHER ALMOST 14 MILLION 25, 26, 23 0.5, AND THEN 27 20, UH, 14 POINT, UH, ALMOST 15 MILLION, WHICH WILL HELP FUND OUR CIP PROGRAM, UH, WHICH SHOULD BE NEW ROADS, FACILITIES, AND PARKS FOR THE GENERAL FUND IN THE CITY. THIS IS WHAT THE DEBT PAYMENTS AVERAGE WOULD LOOK LIKE. ALONG WITH EACH OF THE NEW ISSUANCES. YOU CAN SEE THE GRAY IS OUR CURRENT, UH, UH, DEBT ISSUANCES OR DEBT PAYMENTS. THOSE CONTINUE TO DROP AS WE CONTINUE TO GO ALONG AND PAY OFF OUR EXISTING DEBT, WHICH ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL DEBT TO BE ISSUED ALONG WITH OUR GROWING COMMUNITY. WE BELIEVE THAT THAT, UH, THERE WOULD BE NO FURTHER CHANGES TO THE INS TAX RATE OF THE WATER SEWER FUND. THEY PROPOSE ADDING FIVE, UH, WATER AND WASTEWATER WORKER, ONES A METER TECHNICIAN AND RECLASSIFYING THE SERVICE REPRESENTATIVE TO ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT ALSO, UH, WITH SOME NEW VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT AND A $3 MILLION TRANS, UH, TRANSFER TO THE CIP FUND FOR ADDITIONAL PROJECTS. UH, THIS IS THEIR FIVE YEAR FORECAST. UH, THEY'RE SITTING ABOUT 32% FUND BALANCE. UM, WE SEE THE EXTRA $3 MILLION TRANSFER THAT WE'LL HAVE OUT IN 24 25. THAT'S WHERE THAT BIG PORTION COMES IN, UM, AND DROPS THEM DOWN TO 26%. AND THEN WITH THEIR, UH, CURRENT PROJECTED CIP PLAN AND DEBT ISSUANCE, UH, THEY COULD DROP DOWN TO ABOUT 18% IN THEIR FUND BALANCE, UM, WITHOUT ANY FURTHER ADJUSTMENTS TO THEIR, UM, THE WATER RATES AND SEWER RATES OR THE EMS FUND. UH, THEY'LL HAVE A POSITION [01:15:01] ALL CHANGES TO THE MIDYEAR ABOUT APRIL, UH, PART-TIME TO FULL-TIME FOR THE SUPPLY COORDINATOR, ADDING A 12 VALUE BATTALION CHIEF TO ALLOW, UM, UH, I'M SORRY, OUR BATTALION CHIEFS ARE CURRENTLY 24 HOUR POSITIONS. WE PROPOSED TO MOVE THEM TO THE 12 HOUR POSITIONS, WHICH ACTUALLY ADD ONE BATTALION CHIEF TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. SO IT'S A NEW POSITION. AND THEN ADDING A PEAK HOUR TRUCK WOULD BE STAFFED BY TWO TWO BY TWO NEW EMTS. AND THEN, UH, PROPOSE, UH, UH, ON THE FEE SCHEDULE, THE INCREASE FOR THE FEES ADDED $1.3 MILLION OF REVENUE TO HELP FUND THE PROGRAM. THIS IS THEIR FIVE YEAR FORECAST. SO THEY'RE CURRENTLY ESTIMATED TO HAVE A NEGATIVE CASH BY THE END OF THIS YEAR, UH, CONTINUING DOWN TO ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND. AND THEN WITH NO FURTHER ENHANCEMENTS, UH, OTHER THAN, UH, ABOUT 2% ON THE WAGES, UM, THEY'LL CONTINUE TO BE NEGATIVE FOR AT LEAST TWO YEARS AND THEN HAVE FILING CASH IN 29 30 OF JUST UNDER A MILLION DOLLARS. THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, UH, THE GENERAL FUND PLANS TO HAVE 20 PROJECTS UNDERWAY, UH, NEXT YEAR. UH, SEVEN STREETS PROJECTS, TWO PARKS, 11 FACILITIES FOR A TOTAL OF, UH, $30.3 MILLION. THAT INCLUDES THE $20 MILLION THAT WE PLAN TO ISSUE, UH, HOPEFULLY AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, AS WELL AS PROGRAMS THAT WERE ALREADY EXISTING, UH, FUNDED FROM PREVIOUS YEARS. ON THE WATER SEWER, UH, THEY COULD HAVE 18 PROJECTS UNDERGOING NEXT YEAR. THAT INCLUDES THE ARP, UH, ARPA FUNDS, THE FEDERAL GRANT MONEY, AS WELL AS A NEW, UH, THE $3 MILLION WE MENTIONED, AS WELL AS SOME OTHER BONDS, UH, TO CONTINUE ON THEIR PROJECTS. UH, DRAINAGE, CIP, UH, THEY'LL PART OF THE NEXT YEAR'S PROPOSED BOND ISSUANCE WILL BE ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS TO CONTINU WITH SOME DRAINAGE PROJECTS. AND THEN WE HAVE SOME, UH, BASED ON COUNCIL'S, UM, WHAT WE HEARD FROM COUNCIL, LAST COUNCIL MEETING, UH, AS WELL AS THE RETREAT. A STAFF HAS PREPARED A COUPLE OF OPTIONS THAT, UH, MR. WILLIAMS WILL LOOK OVER. UH, THANK YOU JAMES. SO COUNSEL, AS YOU'RE AWARE, WE DID HAVE THE, THE BUDGET RETREAT ON AUGUST 2ND, AND THEN AGAIN, WE HAD A, UH, DISCUSSION ON THE SIXTH. AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, STAFF HAS HEARD YOUR, UM, YOUR DIFFERENT THOUGHT PROCESSES IN TERMS OF HOW WE SHOULD PROPOSE THE BUDGET. AND THIS IS LOCALIZED TO THE GENERAL FUND BECAUSE THE TAX RATE IS WHAT AFFECTS THE GENERAL FUND FOR THE MOST PART. WE'VE COME BACK WITH DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR YOU TO CONSIDER AND, AND LOOKING FORWARD DIRECTION ON HOW TO PROCEED. AND THERE'S LANGUAGE IN FRONT OF YOU IN TERMS OF HOW TO MAKE THE MOTION. JUST BEAR IN MIND THAT THAT COULD BE AMENDED BASED ON WHATEVER YOU DECIDE. UH, JUST PLUG IN THE NUMBER THAT WE WOULD, AND JAMES CAN EASILY CALCULATE THAT NUMBER FOR US. SO THE, I'M GONNA WALK THROUGH THIS TABLE JUST BRIEFLY AND GO THROUGH THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT ARE PRESENTED AT ESSENTIALLY, OPTION ONE IS WHAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET THAT YOU SAW ON THE SECOND AND ON THE SIXTH. SO THAT MAINTAINS A 49 90 TAX RATE, AND THAT IS WHAT IS CONSIDERED THE VOTER APPROVED TAX RATE. THAT'S AS HIGH AS YOU CAN GO WITHOUT, WITHOUT HAVING A MANDATORY ELECTION. ALSO, IT INCLUDED AN ECIA COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT. WE USE THE ECI EMPLOYMENT CONDITION INDEX PRODUCED BY THE BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS. IT'S A, A METRIC THAT THE CITY HAS USED FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS IN TERMS OF GAUGING COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENTS. AND THAT THAT WAS AT 4.4%. WHAT THAT DID IS MOVES EVERYBODY'S BASE PAY BY 4.4% AS WELL AS THE STEPS, THE ENTIRE STEP STRUCTURE AND THE GRADES THEMSELVES WOULD MOVE IN. EVERYBODY WITHIN THOSE. THERE WERE ALSO, THERE WAS A LENGTHY PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION ABOUT THE INCENTIVES PROGRAM AND A PROPOSED EXPANSION OF THAT, THAT JESS WENT, JESSICA WENT OVER. AS JAMES MENTIONED, WE ALREADY HAVE MONEY IN THE BUDGET FOR AN INCENTIVE PROGRAM. THIS 125,000 WAS SIMPLY AN EXPANSION TO THAT, INCREASING SOME OF THOSE PAYS. OPTION TWO WOULD BE TO MAINTAIN THE CURRENT TAX RATE OF 48 72 AND THEN LOWER THE ECI DOWN TO 3% AND NOT INCLUDE THE INCREASE TO THE INCENTIVES PAYS. AND THEN DOWN THERE AT THE BOTTOM WE HAVE FEE CHANGE AS WELL, YOU SEE IN THE LATER, IN THE LATER OPTIONS. AND THEN OPTION THREE IS TO MAINTAIN THE SAME TAX RATE AT 48 72, DO A THREE AND A HALF PERCENT ECI DON'T INCLUDE THE INCREASE TO THE INCENTIVES PAYS, AND THEN INCREASE FEES ACROSS THE BOARD BY 5%. NOW THIS IS MOST OF OUR FEES, BUT IT DOESN'T INCLUDE THINGS LIKE OUR, OUR, UM, WATER SEWER ROAD IMPACT FEES OR OUR, UM, WATER AND SEWER RATES, ET CETERA. SO IT'S, IT'S OUR, OUR BASELINE FEES, BUT NOT SOME OF THE OTHERS THAT ARE DRIVEN BY MANDATORY COSTS OR BY [01:20:01] STATE LAW. AND THEN OPTION NUMBER FOUR IS IN THE MIDDLE. IT'S AT 49 POINT 31 FOR THE TAX RATE AND A 4% ECI INCLUDING THE INCENTIVE INCREASE AND THEN ALSO THE INCREASE TO THE FEES ACROSS THE BOARD. AND BEAR IN MIND WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ECI OR THE COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT, THAT WOULD APPLY TO ALL EMPLOYEES AND ALL FUNDS, NOT JUST TO THE GENERAL FUND, EVEN THOUGH THE, THE GENERAL FUND IS THE ONLY ONE IMPACTED BY THE TAX RATE CHANGE. SO WE HAVE STAFF HERE EVERY, WE ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE AND JUST LOOK FOR YOUR DIRECTION MOVING FORWARD. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU MR. WILLIAMS. NOW THIS IS ON THE AGENDA AS AN OPEN PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE IN ATTENDANCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL IN REFERENCE TO THIS SUBJECT? ANYONE, PLEASE. UH, WELL AS YOU'RE COMING UP, UH, FOR CLARITY, IF WE, IF WE APPROVE THIS ORDINANCE BETWEEN FOUR T ONE 50 ON OUR NEXT STEP, EVERYTHING ELSE WILL REMAIN THE SAME EXCEPT ONE OF THESE OPTIONS BASED ON THE TAX RATE THAT THE COUNCIL APPROVES. AM I CORRECT? SO THE FIRST ITEM IS ON THE BUDGET. SO COUNSEL COULD TAKE ONE OF THE PREEXISTING OPTIONS HERE AND GIVE US DIRECTION, WHICH WE WOULD THEN ROLL INTO THE NEXT PRESENTATION IN THE BUDGET. AND THAT WOULD BE OUR, OUR STARTING IF THAT'S HOW COUNCIL GOES. OKAY. SO THE, UH, THE, UH, SO EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING THAT WILL BE APPROVED ON THE BUDGET COUNCIL'S DIRECTION WILL BE BASED ON THIS TAX RATE AS TO THIS WILL BE YEAH, BASED ON CHANGES, THE CHANGES THAT WOULD BE MADE FOR THE NEXT PUBLIC HEARING. YES. AND COUNSEL CAN CHANGE THE BUDGET EVEN IN, UM, THE, THE NEXT MEETING AS WELL. SO IF THIS PASSES AND SOMETHING CHANGES, COUNSEL CAN GIVE THE DIRECTION WE APPROVE THE BUDGET, UH, WITH THESE CHANGES AND STATE THE CHANGES AND THE MOTION AND STAFF WILL GO BACK AND MAKE THOSE CHANGES TO THE ACTUAL FINAL ADOPTED BUDGET DOCUMENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE CLARITY. ONCE AGAIN, IT IS AN OPEN PUBLIC HEARING. ANYBODY LIKE TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL? GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE. ALRIGHT. PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. ALRIGHT. COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS? YES, MR. WILLIAMS, DID YOU SAY THESE OPTIONS DO INCLUDE THE STEP PROGRAM AS WELL FOR PUBLIC SAFETY? NO, THE STEP IS ACTUALLY SEPARATE. SO THERE'S A STEP PROGRAM FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENTS, THE ACTUAL SWORN PERSONNEL AND THE EMSI. I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT SO THAT'S PROGRAMMED INTO THE BUDGET REGARDLESS OF WHETHER WE TALK ABOUT OPTION 1, 2, 3, OR FOUR? YES, CORRECT. OKAY. AND WHAT ABOUT THE MERIT? THE MERIT AS WELL AS PROGRAMMED INTO THE BUDGET? SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, IF WE KEEP OUR TAX RATE THE SAME AT 48 72, YOU'RE STILL LOOKING AT DOING A STEP FOR ALL THE PUBLIC SAFETY AND EACH STEP IS A 4% CHANGE, CORRECT? CORRECT. AND YOU'RE STILL LOOKING AT DOING A MERIT FOR ALL THE NON-PUBLIC SAFETY PEOPLE, WHICH IS GENERALLY 2% CORRECT. AND THEN YOU'D BE DOING A 3% ECI ON TOP OF THAT SO EVERYONE WOULD POTENTIALLY SEE EITHER A 5% OR A POTENTIAL 7% PAY INCREASE WITHOUT CHANGING THE TAX RATE AND WITHOUT ADDRESSING A FEE CHANGE, CORRECT? YES SIR. OKAY. I DON'T THINK, UH, 7% OR FOUR TO, I MEAN, I'M SORRY, A FIVE TO 7% PAY INCREASE IN OUR CURRENT ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENT WITHOUT INCREASING THE COST TO OUR RESIDENTS BY INCREASING THEIR TAX RATE OR INCREASING THEIR FEES IS, IS AN UNREASONABLE THING. OKAY. ALRIGHT. COUNCIL MEMBER MAC LUSO FIRST APPRECIATE STAFF PUTTING TOGETHER THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS. I KNOW THAT, UH, WE HAD A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPINIONS AND I APPRECIATE YOU PUTTING STUFF OUT THERE THAT MAYBE ALL OF US COULD BE, UH, SATISFIED WITH ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. BUT I, I DO, YOU KNOW, TEND TO AGREE WITH, WITH COUNCILMAN DAVIS, I'M NOT A SUPPORTER OF INCREASING THE PROPERTY TAX RATE AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, I, I'M PERSONALLY OPEN TO EITHER OPTION TWO OR THREE. UM, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO FEE INCREASES IF IT'S, UH, STILL KEEPS US COMPETITIVE ON THOSE FEES AND, UH, ALLOWS A HIGHER ECI, UM, I THINK THAT'S FINE. BUT JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS IS JUST WHEN IT SAYS THE INCENTIVE PAY, IT'S NOT THAT INCENTIVE PAY IS COMPLETELY BEING REMOVED, IT'S JUST THAT THE CHANGES OF POSSIBLY INCREASING SOME OF THOSE WILL BE TAKEN OUT FOR NOW? THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. SO THAT, SO THE EMPLOYEES ARE STILL RECEIVING THE INCENTIVE PAY, THEY'RE STILL RECEIVING, UH, UM, UH, A PAY INCREASE ON THE ECI, THEN THEY'RE ALSO STILL WITH THE MERIT, UH, LIKE COUNCILMAN DAVIS SAID, I MEAN THEY'RE, THERE'S A POTENTIAL THERE FOR [01:25:01] A LOT OF THE EMPLOYEES TO STILL SEE A SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE, UH, WITHOUT PASSING THAT COST DOWN TO THE, THE HOMEOWNERS. SO, UM, AS I MENTIONED, I'D BE, I'M INCLINED TO, UH, LIKE OPTION TWO OR THREE MYSELF. ALRIGHT. COUNCIL MEMBER WESTBROOK? YEAH, SO I THINK THIS BOILS DOWN TO WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE GETTING AROUND TO IS WHERE WE ARE AT EACH INDIVIDUAL ON A TAX RATE. UM, STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED A 0.49, UH, 4 8, 7 2 KEEPS IT AS IS. UM, WHICH I'M NOT OPPOSED TO, BUT PERSONALLY I THINK THE 4 9 3 1, THE OPTION FOUR DOES ALLOW US A LITTLE BIT MORE OPTIONS IN TERMS OF INCREASING THE TAX RATE. BUT I DON'T AGREE WITH THE 4% ECI MORE WITH THE 3% ECI, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THE, UH, INCENTIVE PAY, UH, BUT I AM IN FAVOR OF INCREASING THE FEE. THE FEES, I THINK WE'RE, WE, I I DON'T THINK THAT'S A NEGATIVE TO INCREASE SOME OF OUR FEES COMPARED TO OUR, OUR COHORT A COMPARISON COHORT. SO THERE'S, I'M SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN ALL OF THESE 1, 2, 3, AND FOUR . IT DOESN'T HELP US , BUT IT, BUT THE STAFF CAN, THE STAFF IS CAPABLE IF WE GIVE 'EM DIRECTION ON THE, UH, TAX RATE, THAT'S WHERE IT ALL BEGINS IS THE TAX RATE. WE HAVE TWO INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE OPPOSED TO TAX RATE. I'M IN FAVOR OF INCREASING IT SLIGHTLY, NOT, MAYBE NOT TO THE 4 9, 9 0 THAT THE STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED, BUT OBVIOUSLY I THINK THERE'S SOME REVENUE THAT I GENERATED THAT CAN SERVE OTHER PURPOSES FOR THE CITY OF SHIRTS. MAYBE SOME ROADS AND SOME OTHER, SOME OF THE OTHER REVENUE MAY BE ABLE TO BE USED FOR SOME OF THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, SOME, OKAY. SOME OTHER PURPOSE FOR THE CITY OF SHIRTS OTHER THAN JUST SALARY. OKAY. WELL THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. I THINK, I THINK IN, IN THIS SITUATION, LIKE THE MAINTENANCE? YEAH, I THINK MM-HMM, . SO, UH, ALRIGHT. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BROWN. YEAH, I DON'T WANNA START GETTING INTO A RAISE LOWER OR RAISE LOWER OR RAISE LOWER CYCLE ON, ON TAX RATES EITHER, UH, AFTER I LOOKED AT, UH, UH, OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND CITIES, WHAT THEY'RE DOING THIS YEAR. UH, I THINK OPTION THREE IS PROBABLY A GOOD OPTION FOR US. UH, UH, IT MAINTAINS OUR TAX RATE. UH, I BELIEVE THAT THIS YEAR IS GONNA BE JUST KIND OF A, UM, NOT AS MUCH AS WE WOULD LIKE HERE, BUT I THINK WITH ALL THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE HAVE COMING, UM, IN THE, IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS, I THINK THAT, THAT OUR TAX, UH, BASE IS GONNA INCREASE ENOUGH TO, TO GET BACK IN THE GAME. AND I DON'T THINK THAT, UH, LIMITING OUR ECI TO 3.5% IS GONNA TAKE US THAT FAR OFF OF THE, UH, PAY SCALES. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE APPROVE THE BUDGET FROM, I UNDERSTOOD FROM THE, FROM THE COUNCIL, IT DOES REQUIRE A FIVE TWO VOTE, BUT THE BUDGET IT WAS NOT. SO THE BUDGET DOESN'T, THE TAX RATE DOES. YES. AND KNOWING ON, ON THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE HERE BY THE COUNCIL, I CAN SEE THAT OPTION ONE AND OPTION FOUR HAVE BEEN REMOVED FROM THE TABLE. I, I KNOW FOR A FACT OPTION ONE HAS BEEN REMOVED AS FAR AS THE DISCUSSION OPTION FOUR, I THINK, UH, THERE WAS SOME NOT CLEAR DECISION ON THAT ONE. UH, SO, UH, AT THIS POINT I THINK WE COULD REMOVE OPTION ONE AS BEING ANYTHING THAT WE CAN, CAN DISCUSS AT THIS POINT. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER HAYWARD COMMENTS? YEAH, MY COMMENT, WE DON'T HAVE THE VOTES FOR OPTION ONE. UM, AFTER LOOKING AT SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT WAS SENT IN AN EMAIL WITH THE SURROUNDING CITIES OPTION ONE, WE'RE KEEPING PACE WITH SOME OF THE CITIES THAT WE'RE SURROUNDING. UM, AND WE ALWAYS WANNA SAY THAT WE ARE THE PREMIER CITY AND WE DO PREMIER STUFF, SO WE GOTTA START ACTING LIKE THE PREMIER CITY AND BEING A PREMIER CITY OR ARE WE JUST SAYING WE WANNA BE MEDIOCRE? AND SO I, I KNOW THAT I DON'T HAVE THE VOTES FOR OPTION ONE, BUT TO ME THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I LOOK AT THOSE THINGS. AND I ALSO LOOK AT THE FACT THAT EVERYONE KEEPS GOING, OH, PEOPLE WON'T LEAVE FOR 4.4 IF THEY DON'T GET IT. MAYBE NOT ALL BUT SOME. AND THEN TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION, TYPICALLY WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO REPLACE AN EMPLOYEE, UM, AND WE'RE NOT TALKING FIRST RESPONDERS, IT'S TYPICALLY, IT'S PROBABLY GONE UP FROM THE LAST TIME I ASKED $6,000 TO ONBOARD SOMEONE. THEN WHEN WE BRING SOMEBODY NEW ON, BECAUSE SOMEBODY MIGHT DECIDE TO LEAVE AND I KNOW EVERYONE GOES OLD, THAT'S A BIG MIC, I GET IT. BUT THEN WE'RE NOT PAYING THEM WHAT WE'RE PAYING SOMEONE CURRENTLY. [01:30:01] WE HAVE TO PAY THEM WHAT THE NEW PAY SCALE IS. SO LET'S SAY WE'VE GOT SOMEBODY THAT'S, I'M GONNA GO WITH A DIRECTOR, PAY $150,000, THEY DECIDE THEY WANT TO LEAVE AND THEY CAN MAKE MORE MONEY AND THEY, WHATEVER THE CASE IS, THEN WE GOTTA BRING 'EM ON AT 1 65 OR 1 75 TO GET SOMEBODY ELSE TO REPLACE THE PERSON THAT LEFT. AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, WE'RE PAYING THE COST OF ONBOARDING. SO I'M LOOKING AT ALL THOSE FACTORS IS WHEN WE PLAY COST FOR ONBOARDING WITH THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT MAY OR MAY THEY MAY LEAVE, WE DON'T KNOW. AND I JUST GO, WE ALWAYS WANNA SAY SHIRTS. WE WANT TO BE THE PREMIER CITY, WE WANT TO BE THE BRANDED CITY. WE WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW WHERE SHIRTS IS. THIS IS ONE WAY OF GETTING US OUT THERE. WE ARE BEING COMPARATIVE WITH THE OTHER CITIES THAT CAME ON. THERE ARE SOME CITIES AROUND US THAT'S GIVEN A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN 4.4% ECI, SOME OF THEM ARE SPLITTING IT IN HALF, BUT I KNOW I DON'T HAVE THE VOTES FOR ONE. SO I'M MORE OF AN OPTION FOUR KIND OF PERSON. COUNCIL MEMBER BROWN. YEAH, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE NEED TO UH, UH, PUT BACK INTO THIS EQUATION TOO IS THE ECI ITSELF. UH, THAT 5.1% WAS A NATIONAL ECI, UH, NOT REGIONALIZED BY ANY MEANS. SO IT'S AN EASY NUMBER FOR EVERYBODY TO GRAB ONTO 'CAUSE IT'S IN THE SAME HEADLINES EVERYWHERE. BUT IF YOU, IF YOU DIAL DOWN OUR, OUR ECI IN THE LOCAL AREA IS MORE AROUND FOUR. OKAY, MAYBE EVEN A LITTLE BIT LESS. UH, SO WE AREN'T DOING ANYBODY WRONG IN THAT THREE AND A HALF, UH, PERCENT RANGE. UH, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT SCREWING ANYBODY OUT OF A ONE AND A HALF PERCENT RAISE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. UH, I THINK WE'RE BEING REALISTIC FOR OUR, OUR REGION, OUR COST OF LIVING, UM, YOU KNOW, VERSUS, VERSUS NATIONAL, UH, COMPARISONS. SO AGAIN, I'M, I'M GOOD WITH THREE. UH, YEAH BECAUSE 4 8, 7 2, WE PROBABLY SHOULD NEVER HAVE GONE DOWN THAT LOW TO BEGIN WITH, BUT, UH, NOW THAT WE'RE HERE, I HATE TO SEE THE IDEA OF GOING BACK AND FORTH UP AND DOWN, UP AND DOWN. UH, YEAH. OKAY. ALRIGHT. COUNCIL MEMBER ALISO, JUST, JUST ONE OTHER, ONE OTHER THING TO POINT OUT IS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES, THAT'S NOT TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION IF THEY ALSO HAD AN INCREASE LAST YEAR LIKE WE HAD. SO THEY MIGHT BE TRYING TO CATCH UP AT THIS POINT. SO SOME OF 'EM MIGHT BE HIGHER THAN WHAT WE ARE, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE WE DID A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE FROM LAST YEAR. EXCELLENT POINT. COUNCIL MEMBER WESTBROOK. WELL, WHEN IT COMES TO THE TAX RATE, UH, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF GOING UP AND DOWN, UP AND DOWN. HOWEVER, FOR FIVE YEARS FROM 2018, 19, 20, 21 WE'RE AT 0.51, THEN Y'ALL WENT DOWN AND NOW WE'RE AT 0.48. WHAT I'M AFRAID OF, AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, WE'RE GONNA BE FORCED TO GO FROM 0.48 AND MAKE A MORE DRAMATIC INCREASE, YOU KNOW, FROM 0.48 TO MAYBE WHO KNOWS WHAT IT'S GONNA BE AS OPPOSED TO, UM, HOW DO I SAY IT SLOWLY SLIDING THE RATE BACK UP. UM, WE HAVE TO MAKE DIFFERENT CHOICES. I THINK THE, THE MONEY IS THERE. THE OTHER ASPECT OF THIS IS STAFF DONE THEIR DUE DILIGENCE. IF WE TRUST THE STAFF, THEY HAVE RECOMMENDED A 0.499. IF WE MAINTAIN THE, WHAT DOES THAT SAY TO THE STAFF IF WE SAY, NOPE, IT'S 0.4872, THEY DONE THEIR DUE DILIGENCE, I WOULD THINK THEY KNOW WHAT'S BEST FOR THE CITY. THEY'RE THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS. AND SO I SORT OF, SORT OF, I DON'T WANT TO SPLIT IT DOWN THE MIDDLE PER SE, BUT SORT OF OPTION 4, 4, 9 3 1. BUT I'M, I'M STILL NOT OPPOSED, STILL NOT IN FAVOR OF THE WHOLE ECI OF 4.0. I THINK WE CAN USE THE MONEY FOR SOME OTHER REASON, BUT OKAY. THREE, THREE AND A HALF PERCENT I, I WOULD THINK WOULD BE FAIR FOR MOST EMPLOYEES, RIGHT? COUNCIL MEMBER GIBSON. SORRY, COUNCIL MEMBER WESTBROOK ALREADY MADE MY, MY CALL WITH THAT WITH THE TAX RATE BEING AT 0.51 FOR THE LAST COUPLE YEARS PRE COVID. SO, UM, I'M GOOD TO GO. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER MAC LUSO. YEAH, JUST LEMME PUSH BACK AGAINST THAT A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM IN PLACE AND, AND THE PURPOSE OF IT IS TO GROW OUR TAX BASE AND HOPEFULLY WITH SALES TAX, MAYBE WE CAN LESSEN THE BURDEN ON OUR HOMEOWNERS. AND SO I, I THINK THIS THOUGHT OF, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE POINT OF HAVING OUR PROGRAM IF IT'S NOT GONNA HELP US DO THAT, AND YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE BIG PROJECT COMING IN THAT SHOULD PROVIDE SOME SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE IN OUR SALES TAXES AND THAT WILL HELP THE CITY BUDGET OUTSIDE OF JUST THROWING IT ONTO THE HOMEOWNERS OVER AND OVER AGAIN. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BROWN. YEAH, I, AND I POINT ON THE TAX RATES THERE. UH, THE 0.51 YEARS WE HAD TO RAISE TAXES BECAUSE WE HAD LOWERED THEM SO MUCH IN, UH, ON 8, 9, 10 [01:35:01] IN THAT TIMEFRAME. I FORGET WHAT YEAR WAS WHICH, BUT, UH, THE, THE QUOTE UNQUOTE RECESSION COUNCIL SAID, OH, WE GOTTA TAKE CARE OF OUR PEOPLE AND LOWER TAX TAX RATES. WELL, IT, IT CAUSED US TO HAVE TO RAISE 'EM AFTERWARDS BECAUSE WE WERE TOO LOW. AND, AND THAT'S WHY I SAY I DON'T WANNA START CHASING UP AND DOWN ON TAX RATES, UH, RIGHT NOW, ESPECIALLY WITH THE SOLID ECONOMIC FORECAST THAT WE HAVE COMING IN FOR NEXT YEAR. LIKE, UH, COUNCILMAN MSO SAID WE'VE GOT SOME GOOD, UH, RETAIL, UH, POTENTIAL NUMBERS COMING IN TO, TO OFFSET ANY, UM, UH, RATE CHANGES. SO AGAIN, THAT'S MY THOUGHT. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER HAYWARD, I THINK THE BIGGEST ISSUE IS WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TAX RATE IS OUR BIGGEST ISSUE, WHICH I AGREE THE STATE IS NOT FUNDING THE VETERANS EXEMPTIONS. THAT'S WHERE WE ARE LOSING OUR MONEY. WOULD NEVER DREAM OF TAKING THAT AWAY FROM ANYONE. I AM PLANNING ON AS A TML PRESIDENT, THAT IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE PASSED AT THE PO THE UH, THE POLICY SUMMIT LAST WEEK. IT WAS PASSED, IT WILL GO TO THE BUSINESS MEETING IN OCTOBER SO THAT WE CAN TRY TO GET THAT PASSED. BUT IT'S TRYING TO FIND SOMEONE IN THE LEGISLATURE WHO WILL AGREE TO IT. IT'S BEEN THERE BEFORE AND THE STATE IS WHAT IS PUTTING THE BURDEN ON THE CITIES BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT FUNDING THAT PROPERLY. EVEN WHEN THEY HAVE THE INFLUX OF, OF CA OF REVENUE, UM, THEY TRY TO DECIDE WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO WITH THIS, YOU KNOW, EXCESS SALES, TAX REVENUE AND WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO FUND. AND SO WITH THAT, WE REALLY NEED TO PUSH THE STATE AND SAY, HEY, WE LOVE THE PROGRAM. WE THINK THE VETERANS HAVE SACRIFICED, THEIR FAMILIES HAVE SACRIFICED, SOME OF THEM HAVE SACRIFICED MORE THAN OTHERS AND WE NEED THE PROGRAM. WE APPRECIATE YOU DOING THE PROGRAM, BUT WE NEED YOU TO FULLY FUND IT. AND THAT IS WHY WE HAVE THIS DEFICIT OF $4.8 MILLION. AND I WOULD NOT, I DON'T LIKE HAVING TO PUT IT ON THE RESIDENTS BECAUSE THIS, BECAUSE OF THAT. SO I'M MORE OF THE OPTION FOUR. I KNOW WE HAVE SOME THINGS COMING ON WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THEY'RE MOVING KIND OF SLOW. UM, I WAS AGAINST RAISING, LOWERING THE RATE LAST YEAR, BUT THE STATE MADE US DO THAT BASED ON THAT NEW SB TWO BILL. UM, THAT PASSED WHERE WE HAD TO LOWER THE RATE. WE WERE FORCED TO, WE COULDN'T EVEN STAY AT MAYBE 4 9, 7 2. WE HAD TO GO TO 4.872. SO AGAIN, ADVOCATING FOR THE STATE TO, TO NOT CHANGE ANY MORE OF LAWS ON HOW CITIES GET REVENUE. 'CAUSE I THINK A LOT OF TIMES AND HOW WE FUND OUR CITIES, I THINK A LOT OF TIMES THEY DON'T REALIZE THE MECHANISMS IN WHICH CITIES FUND, I MEAN WE ARE, I THINK THEY JUST DON'T GET IT. UM, BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT THEIR TAX BILL AND THEY DON'T REALIZE THAT IN, IN OUR AREA, NOT IN OTHER AREAS LIKE BEAR COUNTY, YOU'RE PAYING A WHOLE LOT OF OTHER THINGS. WE'RE PAYING CITY TAX, COUNTY TAX, SCHOOL TAX. AND THE BIGGEST PERSON THAT GETS THE BULK OF OUR MONEY ON THAT SALES TAX ON OUR PROPERTY TAX IS THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. AND I'M NOT TRYING TO TAKE MONEY FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT EITHER, BUT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS TO ME IN TOTALITY OF WE KEEP CHASING GOING UP AND GOING DOWN AND MOST OF THE REASON WE'RE DOING THAT IS STATE. AND SO WHEN PEOPLE THINK THAT YES, AS A COUNCIL PERSON, YOU JUST NEED TO FOCUS ON LOCAL. YEAH YOU DO, BUT YOU GOTTA WATCH WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE STATE. MATTER OF FACT TODAY BECAUSE I HAD COUNCIL MEETING, I DIDN'T GO UP TO THE STATE, THE LEGISLATURE, THEY WERE DOING SOME, UH, THEY WERE HAVING A MEETING ON APPRAISALS, DON'T KNOW WHAT'S COMING OUT OF THAT AND WHAT THEY'RE GONNA CHANGE WITH THAT. AND IF THAT'S GONNA AFFECT THE CITIES, I'M WAITING TO HEAR BACK WHAT THEY DISCUSSED. BUT THEY DO THINGS WHEN, AND THEY PUT 'EM ON AT THE LAST MINUTE AND YOU FIND OUT AT THE LAST MINUTE THAT THEY'RE DOING THINGS. SO WE, AS A COUNCIL AS A WHOLE, I AM TRYING TO MAKING SURE THAT WE START FOCUSING ON WHAT'S GOING ON UP IN AUSTIN AND MAKING PHONE CALLS AND TALKING TO THEM AND MAKING CONNECTIONS WITH OUR PEOPLE THAT REPRESENT US BECAUSE UNTIL WE MAKE CONNECTIONS AND TRY AND EXPLAIN THIS TO THEM, WE'RE GONNA ALWAYS BE IN THIS POSITION ON WHETHER WE RAISE TAX OR LOWER TAX. 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE AN OPTION. SO WE NEED TO ALSO KEEP THAT IN MIND THAT WE NEED TO BE FOCUSING ON THAT. AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WANTED TO PUT OUT THERE. JUST UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE, THE STAFF DID ALL THIS WORK, THEY FIGURED WHAT THE BUDGET IS AND SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO RELY ON OUR [01:40:01] EXPERTS. WE'RE NOT THE EXPERTS IN THIS. AND SO WE NEED TO ALSO THINK ABOUT THAT. WHAT DO WE SAY WHEN WE'RE SAYING, HEY, YEAH, YOU MAY BE THE EXPERT BUT WE CAN'T FOLLOW WHAT YOU, YOU SAY. SO WE ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT I'M NO EXPERT ON, ON REVENUES AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO AND WHAT THE CITY NEEDS. UM, SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING I WANTED TO SAY ABOUT THAT. WE JUST NEED TO LOOK AT THE STATE, FOCUS ON THAT AND SEE HOW WE CAN CHANGE THINGS AROUND FOR MAYBE NEXT YEAR. AND DDC, HOPEFULLY THE SALES TAX REVENUE WILL KICK UP AND THEN WE MIGHT BE LOWERING IT AGAIN. COUNCIL MEMBER WESTBROOK. THANK YOU. SO THE, UH, I THINK WITH THE, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TAXES WILL COME BUT NEVER SOON ENOUGH, RIGHT? IT WILL NEVER COME SOON ENOUGH. AND WE HAD A DROP LIST AT THE, AT OUR BUDGET, UH, AT OUR BUDGET, WHATEVER, OUR BUDGET SESSION. IT WAS A DROP LIST AND FOR THE MOST PART THEY SAID THAT WE COULD, WE COULD FUND EVERY, BASED UPON THIS OPTION. NUMBER ONE, WE COULD FUND EVERYTHING EXCEPT FOR THERE WAS A LOT OF, THERE WAS A LOT OF THINGS WE, A LOT OF PROJECTS WE WERE NOT ENTITLED TO DO OR NOT CAPABLE OF DOING. RIGHT? SO IF YOU GO WITH OPTION FOUR, SINCE OPTION ONE IS GONE, IF YOU GO WITH OPTION FOUR AND DON'T GIVE THE 4%, UH, THREE, THREE AND A HALF PERCENT, MAYBE I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF INCENTIVES, BUT YOU RAISE THE FEES, WE DON'T HAVE TO DROP AS MUCH OFF THE DROP LIST. THERE'S QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH HERE. I BE, BESIDES BEYOND JUST THE PAY RATES FOR THE EMPLOYEES, I MEAN STREETS, PARKS, THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER ISSUES THAT THAT MONEY COULD BE USED FOR. AND IF SHIRTS IS GOING TO DISTINGUISH ITSELF FROM ITS SURROUNDING COMM COMMUNITIES AND THE VISION IS WHEN THEY DRIVE THROUGH SHIRTS, THEY KNOW SHIRTS IS BETTER, WE'RE MOVING FROM ANY OTHER NEIGHBORING COMMUNITY TO SHIRTS. AND ONCE THEY LEAVE SHIRTS THEY'LL BE LIKE, OH, I'VE NOTICED I'VE LOST SHIRTS. THERE HAS TO BE A VISION HERE FOR OUR COMMUNITY, OUR SAFETY, OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, OUR ROADS ARE BETTER THAN OUR NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES. I'M TRYING TO DISTINGUISH OURSELVES FROM THE NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA GET THERE WITH THE 0.48. AND THIS GOES BEYOND THE PAY FOR THE, UH, FOR THE EMPLOYEES. THIS GOES WITH OTHER PROJECTS THAT CAN COME BACK ON THE LIST FROM THAT DROP LIST. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS. JUST TO PUT EVERYTHING INTO PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE DEBATING OVER A PENNY. ALRIGHT. THAT'S WHAT WE ARE DEBATING OVER A PENNY AND THE IMPLEMENTATION AND THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD POINTS THAT WERE MADE HERE. THE IMPLEMENTATION OF DISABLED VETS PROGRAM. UH, IT IS A NOBLE CAUSE BUT THAT PUT US IN THE HOLE FOR $5 MILLION AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE STRUGGLING HERE TODAY TO TRY TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE OF LESS THAN $600,000. AND COUNCILMAN MACALUSO BROUGHT UP SOME INTERESTING POINTS. WE HAVE PARK 35 THAT SHOULD OPEN UP SOME OF THEIR FACILITIES THIS COMING YEAR. SO THAT WOULD INCREASE OUR TAX BASE. WE HAVE EMORY COMING ON ALSO, UH, THE SINGLE FAMILY RENTALS THAT WILL INCREASE IT AND SHORT STATION RIGHT IN FRONT OF THAT, WHICH WILL HELP US IN MY OPINION. I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT A SHORT TERM ISSUE AT THIS POINT THAT WILL RESOLVE ITSELF WHEN WE HAVE OUR, OUR DISCUSSION NEXT YEAR AND WE WILL SEE OURSELVES IN A BETTER SITUATION. BUT IT COMES DOWN TO WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION HERE TODAY ON THE TAX RATE. AND AS I HAVE, UH, NOTICED THIS IS OPTION NUMBER ONE HAS BEEN COMPLETELY BEEN REMOVED AS DISCUSSION. SO WE'RE DOWN TO OPTION TWO, THREE, AND FOUR. WHAT I LIKE TO DO IS, UM, IS GET A CONSENSUS AS FAR AS UM, WHETHER OR NOT OPTION FOUR IS STILL ON THE TABLE. I NEED AT LEAST, UH, YOU KNOW, TO TRY TO FIND OUT EXACTLY WE GOTTA DO THIS BY THE PROCESS OF ELIMINATION. AND WE ALREADY ELIMINATED NUMBER ONE. NOW WE HAVE TO ELIMINATE ONE OF THE OTHER THREE REMAINING. SO I, WELL WE CAN'T TAKE A VOTE AT THIS POINT. SO, UM, MAYOR, MAY I ASK WHAT, WHAT ITEM ARE YOU ON? BECAUSE YOU NEED TO ADOPT THE BUDGET. YES, WE NEED TO PASS THE BUDGET FIRST. I THINK WE SHOULD PASS THE BUDGET FIRST AND THEN COME BACK TO THE TAXES. YOU PASS THE TAX RATE. THIS THE BUDGET. ALRIGHT, SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO THAT. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? 20 14, 1 50. SO MOVED. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCIL MEMBER GIBSON. SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER WATSON COUNCIL, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. WE CAN PUBLISH THE VOTE PLEASE. WE HAVE SIX AYES. ONE OBJECTION. MOTION PASSES. NOW THE BUDGET HAS BEEN APPROVED, BUT WHAT IS IN DISCUSSION NOW? AND LET ME READ NUMBER [11. Ordinance 24-T-151 – Conduct a Public Hearing and approve an Ordinance approving the appraisal roll; setting the tax rate; levying and assessing general and special ad valorem taxes for the use and support of the municipal government of the City of Schertz, Texas. First Reading (S.Gonzalez/J.Walters)] [01:45:01] 11. ORDINANCE ITEM NUMBER 11. ORDINANCE NUMBER 24 T 1 51 CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVING ORDINANCE, APPROVING THE APPRAISAL RULES, SETTING THE TAX RATE, LIVING AND ACCESSING GENERAL AND SPECIAL VALORIAN TAXES FOR THE USE AND SUPPORT OF THE MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT OF THE CITY OF SHORES, TEXAS. THIS IS OUR FIRST READING. MR. JAMES FLOOR IS YOURS. HEY MAYOR AND COUNSEL? UM, I'M GOING TO STAY RIGHT HERE ON THIS SLIDE. UM, ALRIGHT, SO THE OPTIONS BEFORE YOU ON THE, ON THE PACKET WAS 0.4990. BASED ON THE DISCUSSION, COUNSEL CAN SET A OR ADOPT A NEW RATE. UM, THE TWO THAT I HEARD WAS, THIS WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING AS WELL, BUT I WANNA LIKE THE FRAME UP. YES. SEE THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. THE OTHER INFORMATION. MM-HMM . SO THE 0.4872, THE MOTION WOULD BE WE ADOPT A RATE OF 0.4872, WHICH IS EFFECTIVELY A 1.4% INCREASE IN THE TAX RATE OR THE 0.4931. SO WE WOULD ADOPT A TAX RATE OF 0.4931, WHICH WOULD BE EFFECTIVELY AN INCREASE OF 2.6% IN THE TAX RATE. OKAY. SO THOSE WOULD BE THE TWO OPTIONS. THE INS RATE WOULD STAY THE SAME AT 1574. THE MO WOULD ADJUST ACCORDINGLY AND THAT WOULD BE FINE FOR THE MOTION. SO WE WOULD, WE WOULD ACCOUNT FOR THAT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU FOR THAT. ALRIGHT, THIS ITEM IS ON THE AGENDA AS AN OPEN PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE IN ATTENDANCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL IN REFERENCE TO THIS SUBJECT? GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE. PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. ALL RIGHT, COUNCIL, HERE WE GO. , WE GOT TWO, THREE OPTIONS. WELL ACTUALLY TWO TAX RATES AND IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE, ON THE OTHER OPTIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE WITH THE UH, THE TAX RATES. SO, UH, I'LL START IT OFF WITH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER GIBSON. UM, I'M JUST MAKING SURE, DID WE DISCUSS, 'CAUSE WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THIS WHOLE TIME. I WILL, I WANNA MAKE A MOTION, BUT IF THERE'S FURTHER DISCUSSION THEN I'LL ALLOW IT. OKAY? YES, PLEASE HOLD ON, ON THE MOTION BECAUSE ONCE WE MAKE A MOTION THEN WE HAVE TO LIMIT DISCUSSION. OKAY? OKAY. ALRIGHT. COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS, IF, IF WE WENT WITH THE 48 72, WHAT WOULD BE THE, UM, PERCENTAGE AND INCREASE IN THE TAX RATE? PERCENTAGE INCREASE IN WHAT SIR? IF WE WENT WITH THE 48 72, WHAT WOULD BE THE INCREASE IN THE TAX RATE? 1.4. UH, 1.4%. PARDON? 1.4%. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, COUNCIL MEMBER HAYWARD GOING OFF OF WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER WESTBROOK SAID, WHEN WE HAD OUR PRE-BUDGET MEETING AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE THINGS THAT WOULDN'T HAPPEN WAS THE UNDER THE 0.4 A SEVEN TWO WAS THAT THE ONE WHEN WE WERE, WE WERE SAYING IF WE DID THIS, THEN CERTAIN THINGS WOULDN'T HAPPEN. LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF TRAINING THAT WOULD NOT BE TAKING PLACE AND THE POOLS WOULD BE CLOSER. IS THAT JUST THE WAY THAT YOU WERE LOOKING TO FIND MONEY TO MAKE UP A DIFFERENCE? THAT WAS AN OPTION THAT WE ORIGINALLY TALKED ABOUT DURING THAT PROCEDURE. THESE OPTIONS UP HERE HAVE NONE OF THAT. SO ALL OF THAT WOULD REMAIN SEPARATE AND WE ALL BE FULLY FUNDED. THERE'D BE NO DECREASE IN THE OPERATING BUDGETS. WHAT STAFF HAS PROPOSED IN LIEU OF THAT IS WHAT'S ON THE BOARD HERE. OKAY. OKAY. IS THERE A CONSENSUS HERE ON THE UH, OPTION NUMBER FOUR OR 49 31? YES, I THINK SO. WELL, LET'S SEE, LET'S, UH, LET'S SEE. UH, MAKE THE MOTION AND LET'S SEE WHERE, WHERE IT GOES. WE MAKE GOES MOTION AND SEE, UH, ON OPTION NUMBER FOUR AT 4 31, UH, EXACTLY AS IT'S WRITTEN WITH A 4% AND 1 25 INCENTIVE PAY. OH, UH, BEFORE I DO COUNCIL MEMBER WESTBROOK HAS A QUESTION. WAIT, WHEN WE'RE SEEING OPTION FOUR, WE'RE TAKING OPTION FOUR AS EVERYTHING IN THERE, THE TAX RATE, THE ECI, THE INCENTIVE PAY AND A FEE CHANGE? THAT IS CORRECT. UH, IT DOES REQUIRE A FIVE TWO VOTE. IF WE DON'T HAVE FIVE, UH, WE WILL TAKE IT OFF, UH, OFF AN OPTION. IT WILL BE REMOVED AND WE'LL GO OPTION TWO AND THREE. WELL, TO BE CLEAR, WHAT'S UH, IF YOU GO WITH A 0.4931, THAT WILL HAVE NO IMPACT ON THE BUDGET THAT WAS JUST ADOPTED. IF YOU WANTED TO MAKE CHANGES AFTER THAT OR GIVE CAL OR STAFF OTHER DIRECTION, WE COULD SET THE TAX RATE HERE AND THEN WE COULD CRAFT A BUDGET WITH OPTIONS OR ADJUSTMENTS, HOWEVER YOU SEE FIT. THIS IS JUST A VOTE TO SET A TAX RATE AND THEN WE WOULD ADOPT THE BUDGET OR MAKE CHANGES TO IT SEPARATELY. WE'LL WORK BACK IN, WE'LL WORK BACK IN. MM-HMM? OKAY. I'M [01:50:01] JUST AGAINST THE INCENTIVE PAY. THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY. THAT'S A LOT. THAT'S A WE GONNA, ALRIGHT. WHAT WE JUST THANK YOU. WE CAN, WE CAN VOTE. YEAH. OKAY. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER GIBSON, YOU HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT? I WAS TRYING TO MAKE MY MOTION, BUT I'M WAITING TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S GOOD. EVERYBODY, UH, OKAY, LET'S UH, GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION. I MOVE, SAY WHAT? I MOVE THAT THE PROPERTY TAX RATE BE INCREASED BY THE ADOPTION OF THE TAX RATE OF 0.931, WHICH IS EFFECTIVELY AT 2.6% INCREASE IN THE TAX RATE. ALRIGHT, COUNSEL, UH, PLEASE CAST, DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCIL MEMBER GIBSON AND SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER HAYWARD COUNCIL, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. WE CAN PUBLISH THE VOTE PLEASE. WE HAVE FOUR THREE, THE MOTION DOES NOT PASS. SO WE, WE WILL REMOVE OPTION NUMBER FOUR AND WE'LL GO BACK FOR DISCUSSION. WE'RE DOWN TO TWO OPTIONS, OPTION TWO AND OPTION THREE WITH A TAX RATE OF 48 72. AND THE ONLY, THE DIFFERENCE IS THE ECI AND THE UH, FEE INCREASES. OKAY. WE'LL START OFF WITH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BROWN. YEAH. GOING BACK TO WHAT, UH, MR. WALTERS WAS SAYING, WE'RE HERE JUST TO, UH, AGREE ON THE TAX RATE AND THE REST OF THIS STUFF CAN STILL BE DISCUSSED, CHANGED, ET CETERA. YES. THAT'S ALL BUDGET ITEMS. SO ALL WE WANT TO DO HERE IS SET THE TAX RATE TAX, THAT'S CORRECT. AND WE CAN SET THE TAX RATE AT 48 72. I THINK WE HAVE A CONSENSUS SINCE WE, IT'S JUST THE LITTLE ITEMS THAT WE HAVE TO PROBABLY DISCUSS. MM-HMM AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE VERY GOOD AT TOO. YES, THAT'S WHAT THEY WORK ON. ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UM, COUNCIL MEMBER MACALUSO, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO KEEP THE TAX RATE THE SAME AT 0.4872. OKAY. COULD YOU READ THE READ A SECOND, WHICH IS OH 1.4. ALRIGHT. I MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE THAT THE PROPERTY TAX RATE NOT BE INCREASED AND BE ADOPTED OF A, OF A TAX RATE OF 0.4872. I'M SORRY, SIR, YOU HAVE TO SAY IT MOVED TO INCREASED. IT'S, IT'S AN INCREASE BECAUSE IT'S STILL AN INCREASE OF 1.4%. SO WHAT'S THE FIRST ONE? POINT FOUR. 1.4, OKAY. I MEAN, I GOTTA CHANGE THE WORDING EITHER WAY, DON'T I? OR YOU HAVE TO SAY IT'S AN INCREASED, OKAY. I MOVE THAT THE PROPERTY TAX RATE BE INCREASED BY THE ADOPTION OF THE TAX RATE OF 0.4872, WHICH IS EFFECTIVELY A 1.4% INCREASE IN THE TAX RATE. SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCIL MEMBER MSO AND SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COUNCIL MEMBER GIBSON. I SEE YOUR, YOUR FLASHING. YOU'RE OKAY? ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT, COUNSEL, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. OKAY. MOTION'S BEEN MADE, BUT IF YOU CAN PUBLISH THE, THE VOTE. WE HAVE FOUR THREE. THE MOTION DOES NOT PASS. ROLL A POT OF COFFEE OVER HERE. OKAY, COUNSEL? UM, I AM A LITTLE BAFFLED. I DON'T KNOW WHICH WAY, DIRECTION TO GO. UH, WE DON'T WANT 4 9, 9 0 OR 4 9 3 1 OR FOUR EIGHT. SEVEN TWO. IS THERE ANOTHER OPTION THAT THE COUNCIL IS CONSIDERING? THE, THE ECI WAS NOT CONSIDERED? IT IS NOT CONSIDERED. IT IS JUST THE TAX RATE. JUST THE TAX RATE. JUST THE TAX RATE. HOW ABOUT WE SPLIT THE MIDDLE AT FOUR 9.4900. I'M JUST, THE TAX RATE WAS BEING CONSIDERED. WE ARE SETTING THE TAX RATE. THE ECI WILL BE, UH, WILL BE WORKED ON SO THAT WE CAN HAVE IT FOR DISCUSSION ON OUR NEXT MEETING. COUNCIL MEMBER WESTBROOK, COULD THERE BE CONSENSUS TO, TO SPLIT IT IN HALF FROM SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 4.4872 AND 0.4931? BOTH LISTEN. OPTION [01:55:01] TWO AND OPTION FOUR FAILED. WE MIGHT AS WELL SPLIT SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE. WE BOTH WALK AWAY. SOMEWHAT DISAPPOINTED AND SOMEWHAT SATISFIED. WELL, I, I THINK THE, THE, THE TAX RATE THAT 48 72 WILL PASS. I THINK THE CONFUSION IS ON THE ECI CONFIRM NOT CONFUSION IS NOT ON THE ECI. NO, NO, WE'RE NOT ALL GONNA BE HAPPY. SO WE MIGHT AS WELL ALL WALK AWAY A LITTLE BIT. MR. MAYOR? YES. COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS. I, I THINK WHAT SOME FOLKS DON'T UNDERSTAND, IF WE SET A TAX RATE, LET'S SAY, LET'S SAY IT IS 48 72, THEN THAT'S GIVING THE STAFF A DIRECTION AND A GUIDANCE. THEY COULD COME BACK WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR AN ECI OF 3.0. THEY COULD COME BACK WITH 3.5. THEY COULD COME BACK AND RECOMMEND SOME OR ALL OF THE INCENTIVE PAY BECAUSE THEY COULD ALSO COME BACK AND, AND INCREASE, RECOMMEND INCREASING FEE CHANGES HIGHER THAN WHAT'S ON, ON THE SCREEN IN FRONT OF US. CORRECT. THEY WILL WORK THE NUMBERS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY COME OUT WITH A 4 8, 7 2 AND, AND PLAY AROUND WITH THE ECI INCENTIVE PAY FEES AND MAYBE A PROJECT OR TWO. AND AGAIN, MY, MY PERSPECTIVE IS AT A 48 72, WHICH IS STILL INCREASING THE TAX LIABILITY FOR ALL OF OUR PROPERTY OWNERS. AND THAT'S IN THE STATEMENT THAT WE READ THAT WE HAVE TO PROPOSE THE TAX RATE BE INCREASED. IT'S INCREASING OUR TAXES, BUT IT IS ALSO PROVIDING, AT LEAST AS IT'S DISCUSSED RIGHT NOW, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN A THREE AND A 3.5% ECI PAY RAISE FOR ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES. AND IT'S ALSO INCLUDING THEIR STEP PROGRAM FOR ALL OF OUR PUBLIC SAFETY. AND IT'S INCLUDING THE MERIT PROGRAM FOR ALL OF OUR OTHER NON-PUBLIC SAFETY PEOPLE. THE ONLY THING THAT'S KIND OF IN THE GRAY AREA IS THE INCENTIVE AR THE INCENTIVE PAY AND TO WHAT DEGREE AND HOW YOU COULD POTENTIALLY FUND THAT, WHICH COULD BE WITH A FUND CHANGE AND OR A FEE CHANGE. AND AGAIN, THE FEE CHANGE COULD BE NOT AS HIGH AS 200,000 OR TECHNICALLY I GUESS IT COULD BE HIGHER BECAUSE WE CAN REVIEW THE FEES AT ANY TIME AND CHANGE OUR FEES IN THE CITY AT ANY TIME. SO I, I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND WHY THERE'S A BIG CONCERN ON THE 48 72. AGAIN, IT'S INCREASING THE TAXES ON OUR PROPERTY OWNERS AND IT'S ALSO GIVING TO ALL OF OUR, OUR EMPLOYEES, WHICH WAS ONE OF OUR CONCERNS. THE, THE TAKING CARE OF OUR EMPLOYEES OUT THERE AND COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS MADE A GOOD POINT. WE ARE SETTING THE TAX RATE, WHICH MEANS THAT, UH, THE ECI CAN BE A AS LOW AS 3.0 AND AS HIGH AS 3.5 OR SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE. AND THE INCENTIVE PAYS, UH, COULD BE, COULD BE WORKED IN THERE OR THE FEE CHANGES COULD BE, UH, WORKED IN THERE. ALSO, THIS IS JUST SETTING THE TAX RATE SO THAT IT CAN COME BACK FOR DISCUSSION AND SEE EXACTLY WHAT OUR CITY STAFF HAS COME UP WITH TO REACH THAT FIGURE. SO WITH THAT, UH, COUNCILMAN, COUNCILMAN MACALUSO, THAT ALSO DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY DON'T COME BACK AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE COULD EVEN DO AN ECI OF 3.8 IF WE KEEP THE TAX CHANGE. 'CAUSE WE FOUND THIS OTHER AREA WHERE WE CAN HAVE SOME SAVINGS. AM I WRONG? THAT IS CORRECT. COUNCIL MEMBER WESTBROOK FOR ME, THIS GOES TO OTHER PROJECTS THAT WERE ON THE DROP LIST THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO US. I UNDERSTAND WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE TAX RATE, BUT THE TAX RATE FROM SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 0.4872 TO 4 9 3 1 WOULD ALLOW US TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES ON A DROP LIST THAT WOULD NOT ORDINARILY, YOU KNOW, BE THERE. THAT'S WHAT THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE ECI AND INCENTIVE PAY. 'CAUSE I'M, I'M AT THE OPTION TWO IN TERMS OF THAT ONE. I'M TALKING ABOUT THINGS THAT WERE ON THE DROP LIST AND, AND THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THE CITIZENS OF SHORTS. THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. UH, TO CLARIFY, COUNCIL MEMBER WESTBROOK'S POINT, I THINK EVERYTHING ON THE DROP LIST WAS DROPPED AT 49, 9 0 IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. UH, MR. WALTERS EXCEPT THE FIRST THREE ITEMS. SO DURING THE, THE BUDGET ADOPTION, UH, STAFF HAVE PROPOSED CURRENTLY WHAT YOU HAVE UP HERE, THE ECI BEING, UH, THE MAIN ITEM THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE COULD LOWER THAT AND IF COUNSEL'S DIRECTION ADD SOMETHING ELSE FROM THE CUT LIST, ANOTHER EXPANDED PROGRAM THAT WAS PROPOSED BY A STAFF BUT ULTIMATELY NOT PICKED TO BE IN THE FINAL BUDGET TO GO TO COUNCIL. UH, I BELIEVE THAT IS HIS, UH, RECOMMENDATION TO SET A TAX RATE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 4 9 3 1 AND 4 8 7 2 AND THEN COME BACK NEXT TIME WITH ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION THAT SHOWS LESS ECI AND THEN ANOTHER TYPE OF ITEM, UH, FROM THAT ITEM, UH, FROM THAT LIST INSTEAD. OKAY. UM, MAYOR, I WOULD SUBMIT THAT WE DID DESIGN THE BUDGET AROUND THE IDENTIFIED PRIORITIES BY, BY COUNSEL AND BY STAFF. THAT THAT'S WHY THERE IS SUCH AN EMPHASIS ON THE, THE SALARY RELATED ITEMS, RIGHT? AND, AND THE PRIORITIZATION [02:00:01] IS, IS DESIGNED THAT WAY. SO, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER HAYWARD, I KNOW THAT WE'RE SETTING THE TAX RATE AND IT HAS AT THIS MOMENT NOTHING TO DO WITH ECI. IT IS ABOUT WHAT OUR CUT LIST IS AND THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO FUND SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT COULD BE A PRIORITY FOR THE CITY. UH, BECAUSE WE KEEP WANTING TO TOUT THE WHOLE CHURCH OF THE PREMIER CITY. WE'RE THE LARGE, RIGHT NOW WE'RE THE SISTER CITY THAT EVERYBODY LOOKS UP TO AND WE NEED TO ESTABLISH TO START GOING IN THAT DIRECTION OF HERE WE ARE, WE'RE LOOKING AT MAKING SHIRTS BETTER AND DIFFERENT. AND AS COUNCIL MEMBER WESTBROOK SAID, PEOPLE WILL KNOW THEY WERE IN CITY OF CHURCH AND WHEN THEY LEAVE, AND IT'S NOT ABOUT THE ECI FOR ME AT THIS POINT, IT'S ABOUT THE THINGS THAT WAS ON THAT CUT LIST THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO DO. AND I WANT US TO BE ABLE TO DO THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE THE CITY WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE AND THE QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES THAT COULD BE IMPACTED IF WE'RE NOT DOING SOME OF THOSE THINGS ON THAT CUT LIST. BECAUSE PEOPLE COME TO SHIRTS AND THEY LIVE HERE BECAUSE OF QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES. THAT'S WHY THEY KIND OF MOVE HERE. BESIDES GOING TO A REALLY GOOD SCHOOL DISTRICT, THEY LOOK FOR SOME OF THESE QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES AND THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING TO FUND. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER WESTBROOK. YES. SO, AND I THINK, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BROWN AND I THINK, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER HAYWARD BOTH ALLUDED TO IT IN TERMS OF WHY WE ARE AT 0.4872. HE SAID IF I'M, HE CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THE REASON WHY WE HAD TO GO UP TO 0.5 1 20 18, 19 20 21 WAS BECAUSE WE HAD CUT IT TOO LOW PRIOR TO THAT ONE. AND THEN THE REASON WHY WE HAD TO GO FROM 5.51 TO 0.4872 WAS BECAUSE OF THE LEGISLATURE, THE STATE, THE STATE SYSTEM. SO BOTH SYSTEMS ARE INDICATE THAT 0.4872, OUR, OUR CURRENT RATE IS ARTIFICIALLY LOW ANYWAY. IT SHOULD BE SOMEWHERE NORTH OF 0.4872 TO 4 9 3 1. JUST BE, I MEAN, TO CLARIFY HIS POINT, UM, LAST YEAR ISN'T, WASN'T THIS THE VOTER APPROVED RATE 48 7 2? YES SIR. YES. YES. SO WE WENT AS HIGH AS WE COULD BY LOWERING OUR TAXES WITHOUT RIGG REELECTION. YES SIR. YES. OKAY. IT WAS APPROXIMATELY A THREE QUARTERS OF THE PENDING REDUCTION. YES. SO, UH, ALRIGHT, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER HAYWARD, WHEN WE LORD IT TO THIS, THAT WAS BECAUSE OF ALL THE SALES TAX REVENUE AND THE STATE BECAUSE OF SB TWO SAID WE HAD TO LOWER THIS TO THAT RATE. NOTHING THE SALES TAX, BUT SALES, UH, SB IS TWO. THE FOR THE PROPERTY CALCULATION AMOUNTS YES. THE CALCULATION AMOUNTS, SORRY, THE HIGHEST WE COULD GO. YES. YES. THE LAST YEAR OPTION ONE IS WHAT WE WENT WITH. YES SIR. CORRECT. BASICALLY, YES. ALRIGHT. NO, EXACTLY. WELL, YEAH, BASICALLY COUNCIL MEMBER WESTBROOK MAYOR, YES. UM, WE'RE STILL STUCK. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S GONNA BE HAPPY. I DON'T KNOW HOW WELL WE HAVE MOVED THE NEEDLE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. SO I, I THINK THERE HAS BEEN SOME MOVEMENT AS FAR AS, UM, DIRECTION FOR OUR STAFF TO WORK THE NUMBERS AT 4 7 4 8 7 2 AND TRY TO COME OUT WITH A, WITH A CONSENSUS THAT THIS COUNCIL WILL APPROVE 4 8, 7 2 WAS JUST VOTED DOWN 4 9 3 1 WAS VOTED DOWN THAT WE'RE ALL VOTED DOWN. MM-HMM, , THEY'RE ALL VOTED DOWN. SO THERE'S NO CONSENSUS, THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S GONNA MOVE FORWARD. SO WE'RE ALL GONNA WALK AWAY A LITTLE BIT DISAPPOINTED. UH, NO, WE ARE NOT WALKING AWAY. WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE A, WELL THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO STAY HERE UNTIL WE HAVE A CONSENSUS, WHICH MEANS YOU SPLIT IN THE MIDDLE. SO THE FOUR NOT VOTING FOR THE 4 8, 7 2 AND THE OTHER 401 FOR 4 9 3 1. IF ANOTHER RATE WOULD LIKE TO BE REQUESTED, I CAN CALCULATE THE IMPACTS. SO THE MOTION, UH, COULD BE AT THAT RATE IT WAS, CAN WE CALCULATE 4 9 0 0 0.4900 IS AN EFFECTIVELY AN INCREASE OF 2%. COUNCILMAN MACALUSO. YEAH. YOU KNOW, I THINK WE HAVE TO REMEMBER WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S ON A CUT LIST. BUT THESE ARE, THESE ARE, UH, WANTS BY, BY STAFF. AND IF YOU LOOKED AT THAT LIST TO ME, VERY FEW OF THEM ACTUALLY AFFECT QUALITY OF LIFE OF OUR RESIDENTS. UH, MONEY IN THEIR POCKET AFFECTS 'EM A LOT MORE THAN THOSE THINGS ON THAT LIST. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT TAKING ANY CON ANY CONSIDERATION IN OUR SALES TAX RECEIPTS INCREASING. ONCE YOU HAVE THAT HAPPEN, [02:05:01] THEN YOU CAN START CONSIDERING SOME OF THOSE THINGS INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT I LIKE, YOU KNOW, TWO OF THESE THINGS ON THAT LIST, SO LET'S INCREASE THE, THE PROPERTY TAX RATE FOR THE RESIDENTS. THAT, THAT TO ME JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS AND I HAVE TO AGREE WITH, UH, COUNCILMAN OUSEL. I'M LOOKING AT, UH, THE CUT LIST HERE. AND AGAIN, THE PROPOSED FUND WHERE THE ECI, THE MERIT TO STEP INCREASES, WHICH ARE ALL INCLUDED UNDER 4 8, 7 2. AND THE ARGUMENT TO TURN AROUND AND GO TO A HIGHER NUMBER TO TAKE SOMETHING THAT WAS, THAT DIDN'T MAKE THE CUT LIST. I'M SEEING LIKE NOTHING ON HERE THAT IMPROVES THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR OUR RESIDENTS. UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ITEM SEVEN, WHICH IS THE STREET WORKER ADDING TWO POSITIONS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ALWAYS, WE GET ENOUGH COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE, UH, THE, THE, THE QUALITY OF OUR STREETS AND, AND THE MAINTENANCE OF OUR STREETS. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THERE'S REALLY NOTHING HERE, UM, THAT JUST JUMPS UP THAT IS A, A HIGH QUALITY OF LIFE, UH, INITIATIVE FOR OUR RESIDENTS OR A, OR A A MUST DO TO, UH, TO OPERATE OUR CITY. AND I, AS I STATED TO THE COUNCIL PREVIOUSLY, I AM IN SUPPORT AND ENDORSE THE 4 8 7 2 AND I JUST THINK THAT, UH, OUR STAFF SHOULD BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK THOSE NUMBERS WITH THE EFFECTIVE TEST TAX RATE OF 4 8 7 2 COUNCIL MEMBER WESTBROOK, MAYOR 4 8 7 2 HAS FAILED. 4 9 3 1 HAS FAILED THOSE TWO OPTIONS OFF THE TABLE. THERE HAS TO BE ANOTHER OPTION. LET'S NOT MAKE THIS DIFFICULT. IT HAS TO BE SOME MIDDLE GROUND, SOME OTHER OPTION. OTHERWISE WE'RE GONNA KEEP VOTING FOR 4 8 7 2. I TOTALLY AGREE. YEAH. FLOOR'S OPEN IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. MR. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER WESTBROOK, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE EFFECTIVE INCREASE FOR 0.48992%? POINT FOUR EIGHT NINE NINE IS ALSO 2% NOT A BIG ENOUGH TO BE A YOU GOT IT. THANK YOU. I WOULD UM, WELL, COUNCILMAN MAC LUSO. YEAH, CAN I JUST MAKE ANOTHER COMMENT? I MEAN, EVEN GOING WITH THE 0.4872, WE'RE STILL GIVING STAFF THE ABILITY TO GO BACK AND SEE WHAT THEY CAN PUT TOGETHER THAT MIGHT SATISFY SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS. UH, IT'S IT'S NOT AN END ALL THAT. UH, WELL, YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE THEY WENT WITH THAT, WE WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANY OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO, TO CHANGE ANY OF THESE NUMBERS ON IT. THAT'S NOT WHAT IT IS. I MEAN, YOU'RE, THEY'RE STILL GONNA HAVE, THEY HAVE THE DIRECTION THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT PEOPLE WANT. IT'S, IT'S THEIR JOB TO GO BACK AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW THEY CAN MAKE THAT WORK TO, TO SATISFY THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL. MAYOR, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY A COMMENT THAT I HEARD BEING MADE THAT ALL THESE OPTIONS ARE OFF THE TABLE. THAT'S ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE. NO, NO, THAT'S NOT TRUE. THEY CAN STILL COME BACK. YOU CAN REGE ANY OF THESE OPTIONS. YOU CAN MAKE MOTIONS FOR ANY OF THESE THAT ARE HERE OR ANY OTHER THAT IS CORRECT. THEY'RE STILL ALL AVAILABLE. UH, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIND A REASONABLE ONE THAT WE HAVE A FIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WILL APPROVE ANY ONE OF THESE OPTIONS. OR OPTION NUMBER FIVE, WHICH IS NOT THERE MAYOR, I MIGHT, I MIGHT QUAL, UM, QUALIFY A STATEMENT. THE THE BUDGET INCLUDES A BASE BUDGET THAT HAS A NUMBER OF ITEMS AND, AND FUNDING FOR THINGS THAT WE DO AND SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE. THOSE ARE EMBEDDED IN THE BUDGET AND THEY'RE NOT IN THE CUT LIST THAT YOU SAW BEFORE THAT THAT INCLUDES EXPANDED PROGRAMS. SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE REQUESTED TO, THAT WERE REQUESTED TO BE ADDED TO THE BUDGET. SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET ITSELF THAT WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO. AND WE ARE FUNDING WITH ALL OF THE COMBINED REVENUES, SAY IN THE GENERAL FUND TO, TO PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES. FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, WE HAVE $250,000 FOR SMALLER PARK IMPROVEMENTS IN, IN MOVEMENTS AND, AND REPAIRS IN THE STREETS DEPARTMENT. WE HAVE $650,000 FOR, UM, STREET MAINTENANCE. SO THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF ITEMS, EVERYTHING IS EMBEDDED IN THE, IN THE BUDGET ITSELF THAT, THAT CUT THAT LIST OF EXPANDED PROGRAM REQUESTS IS JUST SIMPLY THE THINGS THAT WERE REQUESTED TO BE ADDED. AND THEY WERE RANKED AND PUT IN PRIORITY ORDER. ALRIGHT, COUNCIL MEMBER GIBSON, YOU CAN CLEAR ME. [02:10:02] COUNCIL MEMBER HAYWARD. SO WHEN YOU DID THE BUDGET AND YOU SAY THAT EVERYTHING THAT WAS IN THE BUDGET IS INCLUDED, THE INCLUSION THAT YOU DID, IS THAT BASED ON 4 8 7 2 OR WAS THAT BASED ON THE 4.9? OH, SO THEN THAT WAY THINGS MIGHT CHANGE. THE, THE PROPERTY TAX REVENUES TO THE GENERAL FUND MAKE UP ABOUT 40% OF THE REVENUES, JAMES. AND THEN THE REST COMES FROM SALES TAX AND OTHER COMBINATION OF FEES, FRANCHISE FEES FOR THE PEOPLE WHO USE OUR RIGHT OF WAY. AND IT IS A, A COMBINED TOTAL. SO THE DIFFERENCE IN 500 AND 580,000, $600,000 IN TERMS OF A 53 50 $5 MILLION, OH, I'M SORRY, $52 MILLION GENERAL FUND IS IS 1%. 1%. RIGHT. SO THE ENTIRE BUDGET DOES NOT HINGE ON THAT, THAT 1%, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. NOW DO WE HAVE TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS? YES. AND IN TERMS OF THE OPTIONS WE PROVIDED, WE WERE, THE ATTEMPT WAS TO PROVIDE A SIMPLIFIED WAY TO REVIEW THIS BASED ON A LOT OF THE DISCUSSION THAT WAS GENERATED OVER THE LAST TWO MEETINGS. SO THAT'S WHAT WE GRAVITATED TO. WE PULLED AWAY FROM REDUCING THE BASE BUDGETS AND, AND CURRENT SERVICES AND, AND THINGS THAT WE PROVIDE AND GRAVITATED MORE TOWARDS THE INCREASE IN FEES AS WELL AS REMOVAL OF THE INCREASE TO THE INCENTIVE PAYS AND TWEAKED THE ECI IT, I DON'T WANNA SAY IT WAS THE EASY ROUTE, BUT IT WAS WHAT WAS DISCUSSED MOSTLY BY THE COUNCIL AND PINPOINTED. SO WE, WE DEVELOPED THOSE OPTIONS AROUND THAT. COUNSEL NEED SOME DIRECTION. COUNCIL MEMBER WESTBROOK, THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY TO MOVE FORWARD. THIS IS SORT OF LIKE HERE, HERE, HERE. SO LISTEN, UH, I MAKE A MOTION. OH MAN, I DON'T HAVE MY GLASSES. I MOVE THAT THE PROPERTY TAX YOU USE NICE GLASSES THERE. LISTEN, , YOU WANT THESE? OH MY, I CAN SEE THE MOON. I MOVE THAT THE PROPERTY TAX RATE BE INCREASED BY THE ADOPTION RATE ADOPTION OF A TAX RATE OF POINT OF 0.0 0.4900, WHICH IS EFFECTIVELY A 2% INCREASE IN THE TAX RATE. SECOND, HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCIL MEMBER WESTBROOK, SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER WATSON. ANY OTHER COMMENT? COUNCIL, PLEASE, UH, CAST YOUR VOTE IF WE CAN PUBLISH THE VOTE PLEASE. WE DO HAVE A CONSENSUS. MOTION PASSES FIVE TO TWO WITH A PROPERTY TAX RATE OF, UH, 4 9 0 0 WITH A 2% INCREASE. THAT'S SOME GREAT DISCUSSION WE HAD HERE. HUH? WE HAVE MORE MAYOR. WE WOULD, SO THE INTENT OF STAFF WOULD BE TO COME BACK WITH THE BUDGET AT THE NEXT READING AND MAKE IT FIT BASED ON 4 9 0 ON THAT TAX RATE IN TERMS OF THE GEN, THE, THE AMOUNT OF REVENUE THAT IT WOULD GENERATE AND THEN OFFER OPTIONS AGAIN AND HAVE THIS DISCUSSION AGAIN IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH THE ECI SHOULD BE. AND IS, IS THAT THE INTENT OF THE COUNCIL? I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE HEARING CORRECTLY. THAT IS THE INTENT. THAT IS THE INTENT OF THE COUNCIL TO COME BACK WITH A, WITH THE BUDGET, WITH THE TAX RATE OF 49 0 0 WITH A 2% INCREASE TO AND AND WORK THE NUMBERS TO SEE EXACTLY WHERE THE BUDGET WELL CORRECT. WE, WE WOULD ADJUST THE THE REVENUE SIDE. REVENUE SIDE IN TERMS OF MAKING THE EXPENDITURE SIDE MATCH. SHOULD WE PROVIDE OPTIONS AGAIN OR SAY THAT THIS IS WHAT THE PROPOSED BUDGET IS? OR, OR, OR IS IT MORE APPROPRIATE TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION NOW AND WE CAN GO BACK AND REBUILD THE BUDGET COUNSEL? UM, ANY DIRECTION, UH, FOR THE STAFF? YES. GO BUILD A BUDGET AROUND WHAT WE JUST APPROVED. YES, BECAUSE I, I HEARD A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT OPINIONS ON THE WHAT THE ECI SHOULD BE IS, IS 3.5 AN ACCEPTABLE ECI? YES. TO BUILD AROUND. IF IF THERE'S A CONSENSUS OF THAT, WE'LL RETURN WITH THAT. THINK THAT THE 3.5 IS A CONSENSUS. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THAT HELPS A LOT. THANK YOU. OKAY, WE'LL MOVE ON. WE HAVE A [02:15:01] WORKSHOP WORKSHOP REGARDING CITY [12. Workshop regarding City funding the cost of steel utility poles. (S.Williams/B.James)] FUNDING OF COST OF STEEL UTILITY POLLS. MR. JAMES. THANK YOU MAYOR AGAIN. BRIAN JAMES, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER. UM, SO SOMEONE COUNCIL MAY REMEMBER THAT WE CAME TO YOU GUYS, UM, A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN A YEAR AGO TO GET SOME DIRECTION FROM COUNSEL GENERALLY, UM, ON THE ISSUE OF TO WHAT DEGREE THE CITY WANTED TO FUND STEEL UTILITY POLES VERSUS WOOD UTILITY POLES. SO AGAIN, A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND FOR THOSE WHO MAY BE NEW ON COUNCIL. SO AGAIN, THE CITY GENERALLY HAS REQUIREMENTS THAT WHEN A DEVELOPER COMES IN, THEY EITHER HAVE TO UNDERGROUND UTILITIES OR PUT UP STEEL UTILITY POLES AND THERE ARE SOME PROVISIONS FOR, FOR EXCEPTIONS. UM, AND SO THAT'S GENERALLY WHAT YOU SEE GOING IN. BUT THAT IS A DEVELOPER DRIVEN PROJECT. SO WHEN THE DEVELOPER SAYS TO CPS OR GVC, I NEED POWER TO MY PROJECT, THE DEVELOPER IS REQUIRED TO PAY FOR THAT EXTENSION, HOWEVER IT'S DONE AND FUND THE COST OF STEEL POLES. WHEN THE UTILITY COMPANIES THOUGH COME IN AND THEY WANT TO DO A PROJECT TO INCREASE POWER, ESSENTIALLY THEY'RE NOT, THEY DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW OUR RULES AND THEIR NORMAL STANDARD IS TO DO WOOD, WOOD POLES. AND SO THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED. IF YOU RECALL ON THE FM 1518 PROJECT, THEY SAID, HEY, IT'S A ROAD PROJECT. WE NEED TO UPGRADE POWER, WE GOTTA MOVE OUR POLES FOR IT. THERE WAS DISCUSSION AND COUNCIL FUNDED THE COST DIFFERENCE TO GO FROM WOOD TO STEEL ON THE MAJOR CORRIDOR OF, OF 1518. THE OTHER THING WE RAN INTO IS AT TIMES THERE WILL BE SOME STEEL POLES. CPS WILL NEED TO UPGRADE POWER WITH BIGGER POLES. THEIR NORMAL IS TO DO WOOD POLES. AND AGAIN, THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO THEN FUND THE DIFFERENCE IN STEEL AND WOOD GETTING A CREDIT TO SOME DEGREE FOR THE STEEL POLES THAT ARE THERE THAT ARE COMING OUT. SO IT COST US LESS. BUT WHEN WE CAME BACK TO COUNCIL ON THIS AND SAID, REALLY, YOU KNOW, IN LIGHT OF EVERYTHING, WE TALK ABOUT ALL THE NEEDS THE CITY HAS TO BE FRANK, HOW OFTEN YOU HEAR FROM RESIDENTS MAN SHIRTS IS GREAT, EXCEPT I GOTTA TELL YOU FOR THESE, THESE WOOD POLES, UM, YOU KNOW, THE GENERAL DIRECTIONS SEEMED TO BE, LET'S LOOK AT OUR MAJOR CORRIDORS AS THEY COME UP. SO AGAIN, WHAT YOU'VE GOT ON THE POWERPOINT IS 15, 18, 11 0 3 MAYBE SCHWAB ROAD, UM, ECKERT ROAD, STEIN, REDBUD CANYON, LOWER S TRAINER, HAIL, THESE ARE SORT OF THE BIG ROADS THAT KIND RUN THROUGH OUR RESIDENTIAL AREAS AS OPPOSED TO WE'RE OVER IN AN INDUSTRIAL PARK WHERE PEOPLE GO, IT'S AN INDUSTRIAL PARK. WELL WHAT'S THE DEAL? AND, AND THAT SEEMED TO BE SOME OF THE DIRECTION THAT STAFF KIND OF TOOK, GO BACK AND COME UP WITH THE LIST. THIS IS A FIRST BLUSH AT IT, BUT IT'S, IT'S ROUGHLY, IF YOU LOOK AT IT, MAYBE EIGHT OR SO ROADS IN THE CITY THAT WE WOULD FOCUS ON, UM, A AS THOSE THOSE EFFORTS COME UP. BUT, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, BECAUSE WE HADN'T COME BACK IS THAT ONE COUNCIL PERSON MENTIONED RAY CORBETT AT THE TIME AND IT'S KIND OF A LEAD IN OFF 1518 INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD. AND, AND SO STAFF HADN'T COME BACK. WELL, FUNNY ENOUGH, CPS CAME IN AND SAID WE NEED TO DO AN UPGRADE PROJECT AND WE NEED TO TAKE OUT, CHANGE OUT A BUNCH OF THOSE POLES ON RAY CORBETT, UM, YOU KNOW, COMING OFF 1518 AND THEN IT, IT'LL GO DOWN FROM 1518 RAY CORBETT AND THEN BEHIND RAY CORBETT AND BETWEEN RHINE VALLEY, IT'LL, IT'LL, IT'LL HEAD BACK TO THE SOUTH AND TAKE OUT SOME POLES THERE. AND AS A GOOD, AS, AS I SAID, THEY HAVE TO REPLACE THE STEEL POLES WITH TALLER WOOD POLES TO ACCOMMODATE MORE LINES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THEY CALLED US AND SAID, HEY CITY, WHAT DO Y'ALL WANT TO DO? ESSENTIALLY TO UPGRADE THE 10 STEEL POLES ON RAY CORBETT, IT'S ABOUT $25,000. AND THAT'S GIVEN THE CREDIT THAT WE GET FOR SOME OF THE STEEL POLES THAT ARE THERE. NOW, IF WE WANT TO DO THOSE 10 AND THE 10 THAT RUN BETWEEN CORBETT AND RYAN VALLEY AND GO STEAL ON THOSE, IT'S ABOUT $54,000. RIGHT? AND THAT'S A COST THAT THE CITY WOULD, WOULD HAVE TO BEAR. AND SO STAFF IS SEEKING DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL ON WHICH WAY YOU WANT TO GO HERE WITH THE, WITH THE STEEL POLE ISSUE, AGAIN, STAFF'S KIND OF GENERAL RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF THESE LITTLE SECTIONS THAT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE SORT OF STEEL POLES. BUT AS, AS YOU SEE IN THE PRESENTATION, IF WE KIND OF DO RAY CORBETT, IT, IT OPENS US UP TO A WHOLE LOT OF POLES THAT, THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO REPLACE THAT ARE SIMILARLY SITUATED ROADS. IT'S JUST A LOT OF STREETS THAT STAFF THINKS WE FIND IN THOSE SITUATIONS. AND ONE OF THE PROBLEMS ON THIS THAT REALLY MAKES IT HARD FOR COUNCIL TO GIVE DIRECTION [02:20:01] AND AND AND STAFF TO, TO HELP, HELP GUIDE YOU OR GIVE YOU OPTIONS IS WE JUST DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF THESE ARE GONNA COME UP OVER THE COURSE OF A YEAR. RIGHT? WHAT'S GONNA BE THE COST? SO INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, SINCE STAFF PUT TOGETHER THIS PRESENTATION, CBS CALLED AND SAID, OH, BY THE WAY, OR, OR THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION ABOUT THE STATUS OF A PERMIT, THEY THEN LET US KNOW THAT AS PART OF THE I 35 NEXT PROJECT, THEY'VE GOTTA PUT IN A HUNDRED POLLS. OKAY? AND THEY HAVEN'T GIVEN US A MAP, WHICH ONE? AND THEY'RE NOT SURE QUITE HOW TALL THOSE ARE, BUT WE SAID WE'D BRING UP THE ISSUE WITH COUNSEL HERE AT LEAST TO GET SOME GUIDANCE. A HUNDRED POLLS. NOW AGAIN, WHAT YOU TYPICALLY FIND IS THE COST OF STEEL POLES, AT LEAST ON THE RAY CORBETT RUN BETWEEN, DEPENDING ON THE HEIGHT, $4,700 IN 6,000 $6,500. SO, SO MAYBE THIS THING ON 35 WOULD COST US A HALF MILLION ISH, MAYBE IT WOULD GO UP TO 700,000 ISH. THEY'RE WORKING TO GET US A LIST OF HOW TALL THOSE POLES ARE. 'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE BIGGER POLE, MORE STEEL, MORE EXPENSIVE. AND THEN ALSO THEY SAID, KEEP IN MIND THOUGH THAT THE COST WE GAVE YOU ON THE RAY CORBITT OR THE CURRENT COST FOR WHAT WE'VE GOT FOR RAY CORBITT, IF COSTS GO UP, THIS 35 THING MAY BE MORE IN THEORY, I GUESS IT COULD COME DOWN STAFF'S POSITION GENERALLY IS THAT AGAIN, AND, AND, AND I SORT OF SAID THIS IS I'VE NOT EVER HAD A RESIDENT COME IN AND SAY, MAN, I I I, I REALLY WOULD RATHER, I THINK IF YOU ASKED THEM THEY'D ALL SAY, OH YES, STEEL IS, STEEL IS NICER, I'D RATHER HAVE THAT. BUT IT'S LIKE ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE DO AND WHAT YOU GUYS JUST JUST DEALT WITH TONIGHT, WHICH IS HOW MUCH IS IT REALLY WORTH IT TO YOU TO, TO GO TO STEEL OR WOULD YOU RATHER PUT THAT TO, TO OTHER THINGS. AND SO AGAIN, I THINK YOU, I'LL CONTINUE WITH THE PRESENTATION, YOU KNOW, IF WE EXPANDED THAT LIST AND DID SORT OF RATE CORBETT, THIS IS KIND OF OUR ROUGH GUESS AT WHAT SORT OF ROADS ARE KIND OF LIKE THAT. IT'S A WHOLE LOT MORE. NOW AGAIN, THE PROBLEM IS YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET EVERY ONE OF THESE IN A YEAR. YOU MAY HAVE A YEAR WHERE LITERALLY IT'S JUST 35,000 AND WE CAN KIND OF HUNT DOWN THE MONEY FOR IT, RIGHT? BUT YOU MAY ALSO HAVE THIS YEAR COME UP WHERE WE'VE GOT A FEW BIG ONES AND AGAIN YOU'RE LOOKING AT A MILLION DOLLARS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AGAIN, THE 30, THE 35 AND AGAIN, SO I THINK STAFF IS SEEKING DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL. WHAT WE WERE KIND OF WORKING OFF IS A MORE LIMITED LIST OF JUST THOSE MAJOR ROADS AND WE CAN, WE CAN TWEAK THESE IF WE NEED BE, BUT JUST THE MAJOR ROADS THROUGH RESIDENTIAL AREAS ARE THE ONES THAT WE WOULD CONTEMPLATE THE UPGRADE COSTS. BUT WE WOULD COME BACK TO EACH TIME TO SAY THIS IS IT. BUT GENERALLY IF IT'S NOT SORT OF ONE OF THE ONES THAT WE DEVELOP ON THE LIST AND IF THE DIRECTION IS KIND OF THIS, WE CAN GO BACK, TWEAK IT, GIVE YOU A MAP THAT THE OTHERS, WE WOULD JUST APPROVE THOSE PERMITS THAT CPS COMES IN BECAUSE THEY COME IN APPLYING FOR A PERMIT, A UTILITY PERMIT RIGHT AWAY PERMIT TO DO THE WORK. AND AND SO WE WOULD BE ABLE TO JUST SAY IT'S NOT ONE OF THE ONES GENERALLY ON THERE OR IT DOESN'T SEEM TO FIT WE'LL APPROVE IT AS IS AND KIND OF MOVE IT, MOVE IT FORWARD. THAT'S GENERALLY I THINK WHERE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS. BUT WE CAN APPRECIATE THERE ARE OTHER PERSPECTIVES ON IT AND THUS THE WORK SESSION. AND SO WHAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR DIRECTLY IS DO YOU WANT US TO CONSIDER FINDING THE UP FUNDING, THE UPGRADE FOR, AND NOW I CAN'T EVEN FIND IT FOR RAY CORBITT. JUST RAY CORBITT IS 25 WE DID BEHIND RYAN VALLEY. IT'S 54. AND THEN GENERALLY, WHAT'S THE THOUGHT ON I 35 IF WE WANT TO GO BACK TO CPS AND SAY YEP, REALLY GIVE US A BREAKDOWN ON THE COST OR NOPE, NOT SOMETHING WE WANT TO DO MA'AM. OKAY COUNSEL, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS ALREADY. I SORRY, YOU, YOU DID. AND SO WHAT STAFF HAD SAID WE WOULD DO IS WE SAID WE'LL COME BACK WITH THE LIST OF ROADS. WE HAD NOT DONE THAT. AND SO WHEN WE WATCHED THE VIDEO IT WAS GENERALLY THE ROADS, THE MAJOR ROADS, RESIDENTIAL AREAS, KIND OF THIS NOT, NOT THIS LIST BUT THERE WAS DISCUSSION OF SOMEBODY THREW IN BUT RAY CORBETT WOULD BE KIND OF NICE TO DO OR GOOD TO DO. AND THAT PROMPTED US TO SAY LET'S COME BACK AND MAKE SURE SO THAT WE DON'T TELL TELL CPSI JUST DO WOOD. AND THEN I GOT A COUNCIL PERSON GOING, I BROUGHT THIS UP AT THE THING YOU GUYS IGNORED ME NOT TRYING TO DO TO DO THAT. AND THEN SUBSEQUENT TO THIS THEY CAME, THEY CALLED FRIDAY AND SAID, HEY THIS A HUNDRED POLES WE'RE ASKING ABOUT THAT'S ON 35, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO? UM, MR. JAMES COULD YOU PUT BACK THE LIST THAT'S ON THERE? AND UM, AND SO THIS IS THE LIST THAT WE CAME UP WITH. AND AGAIN, THIS CAN BE TWEAKED, WE CAN ADD A ROAD, WE CAN CHANGE ONE OUT. BUT THESE ARE ROADS THAT ARE SORT OF OUR PREMIER MAJOR ROADS THAT KIND OF GO THROUGH RESIDENTIAL AREAS IF YOU WILL. WE ALREADY KIND OF DID 1518 FOR PART OF IT. WE THINK 1103 WOULD BE THE SAME IF THAT POPS UP. BUT IT'S A FAIRLY SHORT SECTION AND WE GOTTA CHECK THE STATUS OF WHERE THINGS ARE THERE, WHERE WE'RE ON IT. [02:25:01] THE OTHERS, AGAIN, NOT QUITE AS MAJOR, BUT THEY SEEM TO GO THROUGH LARGE RESIDENTIAL AREA, BE MORE SIGNIFICANT ROADS. THAT'S HOW WE GOT IT. SO WE CAN TAKE DIRECTION, TWEAK IT. SO THE QUESTION IS DO WE ADD CORBITT DRIVE TO THIS LIST FOR NOW IS BASICALLY THAT'S RIGHT. BUT WHAT STAFF WOULD SAY IS IF YOU ADD CORBITT, AND AGAIN THIS IS THAT POLICY, THERE ARE A LOT OF KINDA ROADS THAT ARE MORE LIKE CORBETT OUT THERE MM-HMM THAT THAT WE THINK WE'D HAVE MIGHT GET RESIDENTS SAYING, WELL WAIT, WHAT WAS THE LOGIC OF ADDING CORBIT? BUT YOU DIDN'T ADD MINE RIGHT THERE. THERE'S SORT OF THAT FAIRNESS ISSUE. AND, AND BRIAN, TO BE CLEAR, THIS, THIS ONLY APPLIES TO SITUATIONS WHERE CPS OR GVEC OR NBU WOULD BE SAY UPGRADING A POLE AND REPLACING IT AND NOT, IT DOESN'T AFFECT OUR SUBDIVISION REQUIREMENTS IN OUR THAT'S RIGHT. OUR REGULAR CODE WHERE A DEVELOPER THAT'S RIGHT WOULD BE REQUIRED INSTALLS, THE DEVELOPER'S DOING IT, WE'RE STILL GONNA REQUIRE IT TO BE UNDERGROUND OR STEEL POLES. IT'S JUST WHERE THEY'RE EITHER UPGRADING OR RELOCATING THIS PART OF A, A ROAD PROJECT. YES SIR. ALRIGHT, WITH THAT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER HAYWARD, I'M NOT LOOKING FORWARD TO THE EXPANDED LIST AND IF YOU GO BACK TO THE OTHER LIST, UNLESS YOU'RE UPGRADING OLD STEIN IN THE FUTURE, IT'S NOT A PREMIER ROAD AS OF YET. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT STAFF, WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT, JUST TO BE CLEAR, WHEN WE GO IN AND WE MAKE THAT UPGRADE OF OF OLD STEIN, IT SORT OF BECOMES A PREMIER ROAD. AND SO LIKELY WHAT YOU'LL HAVE, AND THIS IS, THIS IS SORT OF THE, PROBABLY THE GOOD AND BAD NEWS OF THAT IS AT SOME POINT WE, YOU KNOW, WE GOT OUR CIP AND IT GETS FUNDED AND THAT ROAD BECOMES THIS NICE PREMIER ROAD. OUR ASSUMPTION IS YOU'RE GONNA LOOK AT THAT AND SAY LET'S DO STEEL POLES ON THERE BECAUSE OF HOW THAT FITS WITH THE COMMUNITY. YOU MAY NOT, BUT BUT THAT WOULD BE THE IDEA. YEAH. I DON'T AGREE WITH RAY CORBETT 'CAUSE I DON'T LIKE THIS WHOLE EXPANDED LIST. IT ENDS UP AS MUCH AS I, IT'S A, IT'S A NICE TO HAVE. I DON'T THINK DOING RATE CORBITT IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING WE NEED TO FUND. I THINK STAYING, AS WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, THE MAJOR ROADS THAT WHEN THEY'RE COMING IN TO DO IT, THEN WE DO THAT. BUT I WOULDN'T CHANGE THAT LIST. OKAY. ALRIGHT. COUNCIL MEMBER BROWN. YEAH, LET'S STICK TO THE BIG ROADS. STICK TO THE UH, UH, ENTRYWAYS, THE HIGH VISIBILITIES. OKAY. UH, YOU KNOW, THE REST OF THAT STUFF IS SECONDARY. ABSOLUTELY. MM-HMM. COUNCIL MEMBER MACK LUSO. JUST, JUST A QUESTION, JUST MORE 'CAUSE OF MY IGNORANCE ON IT, BUT IS IT A, A SUBSTANTIAL COST TO, TO MOVE, UH, POWER UNDERGROUND COMPARED TO OH YEAH. OKAY. OH YEAH. THAT, THAT'S WHERE, I MEAN, TO BE BLUNT, THAT'S WHERE STAFF GETS THE MOST PUSHBACK WITH PRIVATE DEVELOPERS IS THEY'RE USUALLY FIGHTING US ON THE UNDERGROUNDING. AND IF THEY CAN GET NOT TO UNDERGROUND IT, THEN THEY, NOT THAT THEY'RE HAPPY TO DO STEEL POLES, BUT YEAH, IT'S A SUBSTANTIAL COST TO UNDERGROUND VERSUS, UM, OVERHEAD. NOW I WILL SAY STANDARD PRACTICES WITHIN A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY ALWAYS UNDERGROUND IT RESIDENTS EXPECTED. IT'S THE KIND OF GETTING IT THERE WHERE WE HAVE, WHERE WE HAVE THE ISSUES AND AGAIN, WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS WHEN IT CAN BE OVERHEAD AND WHEN IT HAS TO BE UNDERGROUND. UM, BUT GENERALLY, OR REALLY WITHIN A SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, INTERNAL, IT'S ALL GOTTA BE UNDERGROUND. WE DON'T GET ANY PUSHBACK ON THAT. IT'S THE GETTING IT THERE AND THEN IT'S THESE SORT OF TYPICALLY COMMERCIAL SITUATIONS BUT NOT KIND OF INDUSTRIAL PARK EVEN. AND I WILL SAY THAT I THINK STAFF SHOWS A FAIR AMOUNT OF FLEXIBILITY ON THIS. WHAT'S TRIGGERED AT WHY IS IT JUST ONE, WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS, THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT YEAH, WE GOT A LOT OF PUSHBACK ON THE UNDERGROUNDING. WELL IT SEEMS LIKE WE GOT A CONSENSUS TO STICK WITH THE, THE ROADS THAT ARE PRESENTED ON THIS SLIDE. OKAY. SO WHAT STAFF WILL DO IS WE'LL LET CPS KNOW, NO, WE'RE NOT GONNA UPGRADE ON THE RAY CORBETT, WE'RE NOT PLANNING TO DO THE I 35. WHAT WE'LL PROBABLY DO IS AS A WRITTEN UPDATE, WE'LL COME BACK WITH A MAP TO YOU AND THAT'LL BE THE MAP THAT STAFF WILL USE. WE'LL HAND OUT TO KIND OF FOLKS TO C-P-S-G-B-C, JUST SO EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE. MAKE SURE YOU GUYS ARE GOOD WITH THE MAP AND THEN WE'LL KIND OF RUN WITH THAT. WELL, COUNCIL MEMBER BROWN. ONE QUICK QUESTION, SLANT STATEMENT, UH, ON I 35, IF, UH, UH, IF ALL THE OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE DOING STEEL, WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO DO STEEL. I MEAN WE SHOULDN'T, I I WILL ASK THAT. I WOULD BE SHOCKED IF THERE'S A, IF EVERYBODY IS DOING, BUT THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING, THERE GONNA BE YEAH, NO, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I, SO TELL YOU WHAT I'LL DO, I'LL GO BACK. IF EVERYBODY, IF THAT'S THE KNOT, I'LL GO BACK AND ASK CPS IF THAT'S THE CASE, WE'LL COME RIGHT BACK TO YOU. BUT IF NOT, EVERYBODY'S DOING STEEL. YEAH. AND OBVIOUSLY IF EVERYBODY'S DOING WOOD, THERE'S NO REASON TO GO STEEL, SO. YEAH. FAIR ENOUGH. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU MR. JAMES. ALRIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER [13. Workshop on proposed amendments to Chapter 86 Traffic and Motor Vehicles (S.Williams/B.James)] 13 WORKSHOP. THANK YOU. OUR PROPOSAL [02:30:01] AMENDMENTS TO CHAPTER 86, TRAFFIC AND MOTOR VEHICLES. MR. JAMES? YES, THIS IS A VERY EXCITING PRESENTATION AS WELL. UM, THIS IS ONE THAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON AND WORKING ON AND WORKING ON, AND IT'S JUST SLOW GOING. UM, WE'RE TRYING TO GET IT ACROSS THE FINISH LINE. SO WE WANTED TO KIND OF DO A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW. WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ACTION TONIGHT. IT'S STILL UNDER KIND OF FINE REVIEW BY THE CITY ATTORNEY, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, A COUPLE OTHER DEPARTMENTS LOOKING FOR TWEAKS, FINE TUNING TO MAKE SURE WE HAVEN'T MISSED ANY STOP SIGNS IN THE CITY AND THINGS LIKE THAT. UH, BUT I WANNA WALK YOU THROUGH, JUST TO GIVE YOU A HEADS UP, THIS IS GENERALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING. THE MAJOR CHANGES, THE LESS SIGNIFICANT. AND, AND SO ONE OF, ONE OF THE THINGS IS, AS WITH MOST ORDINANCE UPDATES, THERE ARE A LOT OF CLEANUP ITEMS. WE'RE REWORDING THINGS, WE'RE TIDYING UP, WE'RE CHANGING THE NUMBER, WE'RE ALTERING THE FORMAT A LITTLE BIT. UH, THE LAST MAJOR UPDATE OF THIS CHAPTER OCCURRED IN 95. SO THERE'S A LOT OF CLEANUP STUFF. SO IT'S GONNA LOOK WHEN YOU SEE IT REALLY DIFFERENT ON THE STRIKETHROUGH VERSION, THE RED LINE VERSION. UH, BUT, BUT THAT MOST OF THOSE AREN'T SIGNIFICANT CHANGES. IT'S SORT OF CLEANUP, CLARIFICATION, THINGS LIKE THAT. SOME OF IT'S DATA LIKE AGAIN AND AJ'S THERE, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT YOU HAVE TO GIVE FOUR COPIES OR FOUR COPIES, TRIPLE KIT OF A TICKET WHEN YOU GIVE OUT. AND NOW WE'VE GOT THE ELECTRONIC TICKET WRITERS. IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT WORLD. SO SOME OF THE DATED STUFF THERE, UH, BUT IT'S ALSO HOW WE'VE CHANGED TITLES. THE CITY ENGINEER VERSUS THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER, WE CLARIFY DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES, WE'RE MOVING STUFF AROUND, ET CETERA. UM, BUT PROBABLY ONE OF THE, THE ONE THAT WE STRUGGLED WITH THE MOST, AND THIS SORT OF CAME IN AND, AND, AND WHILE WE WERE WORKING ON 86 GETTING INTO THEIR T SAC SAID, HEY, LET'S TALK ABOUT BASKETBALL'S GOALS AGAIN, UH, IN THE STREET. AND SO WE, WE HAD A COUPLE OF WORKSHOPS WITH UH, T SAC. SO CREDIT ON THIS ONE GOES TO AJ ARIAGA FOR DOING A LOT OF RESEARCH ON WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES DO. UH, REALLY LOOKING AT IT, COMING FORWARD WITH SOMETHING. AND THE ONE THING I WILL SAY, THIS IS A PREFACE WITH THE BASKETBALL GOAL. WHEN AJ CHECKED IT WAS THE SAME AS PREVIOUSLY. NO CITY HAS SAID, OH YEAH, WE GOT THE PERFECT ORDINANCE AND IT WORKS GREAT AND EVERYBODY'S HAPPY. NOBODY'S FIND THAT MOST PEOPLE SAID, YEAH, LET US KNOW WHAT YOU DO, BUT THIS IS A NIGHTMARE. WE DON'T WANT TO TOUCH IT. WE SORT OF AVOID IT. IT'S A NO-WIN SORT OF SITUATION, RIGHT? AND, AND SO THE ISSUE HERE TO, TO KIND OF BREAK IT DOWN IS MANY OF US OF A CERTAIN AGE REMEMBER PLAYING IN THE STREET AND WE WOULD, WE WOULD THERE BASKETBALL GOING ON THE SIDEWALK IN THE AREA AND WE'D PLAY AND YOU'D MOVE WHEN CARS WOULD COME AND THIS, THAT AND THE OTHER. UM, BUT NOBODY NECESSARILY, IF YOU SAT THERE AND SAID, DO YOU THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO BE CHILD, FOR CHILDREN TO BE PLAYING WHERE CARS ARE DRIVING THROUGH SAYS, WELL, THAT'S PROBABLY NOT THE BEST THING, BUT IT HAPPENS. WE DO IT. WHATEVER. THE OTHER PART OF IT I THINK IS THIS ISSUE WITH BASKETBALL GOALS. YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IF YOU, IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE CHILDREN AND THEY PLAY A LOT OF BASKETBALL, YOU'RE PROBABLY EMPATHETIC TO IT. AS YOU GET OLDER AND YOUR KIDS MOVE OUT OF THE HOUSE, YOU BECOME MAYBE A LITTLE MORE CURMUDGEONLY AND OR THOSE KIDS WALK IN. I THINK THE OTHER FRANKLY GOES TO HOW THIS SORT OF IMPACTS YOU ARE, ARE KIDS, IS THE GOAL UP AGAINST THE CURB? ARE KIDS VERY POLITE AND WATCHING AND MOVING OUTTA THE WAY QUICKLY AND KIND OF WAVING AT YOU PASS, RIGHT? AND, YOU KNOW, MOVE YOUR TRASH CAN IN WHEN YOU'RE NOT AT HOME. OR ARE YOU SITTING THERE LITERALLY STOP AND THEY'RE GONNA FINISH THEIR GAME RIGHT BEFORE THEY LET YOU PASS KIND OF A DEAL. AND, AND IS THE STUFF OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET, THIS, THAT AND THE OTHER? AND I THINK THAT'S THE CHALLENGE. AND SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, WHEN COUNSEL DEALT WITH THIS 10 OR SO YEARS AGO, WHAT THE CURRENT CODE SAID IS NO PERSON SHALL PLACE ANY UNSAFE OBSTRUCTION, UH, UPON ANY STREET. IT WAS VERY BROADLY WORDED. THERE'S JUDGMENT CALL AS TO WHETHER THIS THING CREATED AN UNSAFE CONDITION. SO WHAT IT ALLOWED FOR IS IF IT WAS A PROBLEM, WE FELT IT WAS UNSAFE, WE HAD A CODE TO DEAL WITH IT, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH EVERYBODY. IT DIDN'T SAY YOU CAN'T PUT A BASKETBALL GOAL ON THE STREET, OTHERWISE IT'S A PROBLEM. AND, AND SO THAT WAS THE ISSUE. AND I THINK WHAT T SAC WANTED, AND I SAY THIS BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY APPROVED, IS A LITTLE MORE CLARITY. AND SO WHAT, WHAT PD PROPOSED THEY THINK IS WORKABLE AND THAT TS E RECOMMENDED IS BASKETBALL GOALS ARE ALLOWED IN THE STREET ABUTTED AGAINST THE CURB LINE, RIGHT? YOU GOTTA HAVE IT OVER ON THE CURB. YOU CAN'T HAVE IT FURTHER OUT ONLY IF THE WIDTH OF THE STREET IS 38 FEET OR LESS, RIGHT? AND, AND IF IT'S A CUL-DE-SAC, WE'RE TAKING THE NECK OF THE STREET GOING INTO IT, RIGHT? AND THE SPEED LIMIT IS 20 MILES AN HOUR OR LESS. SO IT SORT OF GIVES US THAT FLEXIBILITY, BUT WE'RE NOT TAKING OUT THE OTHER SECTION, RIGHT? THE THE, THE OTHER PART WILL STAY THERE. SO WE STILL NEED TO DEAL WITH THE OTHER UNSAFE STUFF IN THE STREET. SO THIS FRANKLY IS A COMPROMISE THAT GIVES A LITTLE MORE CLARITY TO IT, RIGHT? AND, AND REALLY IT, ONE OF THE BIG THINGS IS IF SPEED LIMIT'S NOT 20 MILES AN HOUR, IF IT'S MORE THAN THAT, YOU SHOULDN'T BE PUTTING A BASKETBALL GOAL PROBABLY AND PLAYING IN [02:35:01] THE STREET, RIGHT? SHOULDN'T, BUT AGAIN, I GREW UP IN A CITY WITH 30 MILES AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT, LIMIT ON THE RESIDENTIAL STREETS, AND WE WERE DOING ALL SORTS OF STUFF OUT IN THE STREET. TACKLE FOOTBALL KICK THE CAN, KICK THE, YOU GUYS REMEMBER THAT? SPUD BASKETBALL? YEP. WELL, YEAH, WE DID HAVE THAT. MY WIFE GOT HIT BY CAR ONE TIME PLAYING STREET AS A KID TOO. SO YEAH, IT, IT, YEAH. SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE BASKETBALL GOAL. WE THINK IT'S A GOOD COMPROMISE. LIKE I SAID, PD DID A LOT OF RESEARCH CREDIT TO AJ. NOBODY'S GOT A GOOD ANSWER TO THIS. WE THINK IT GIVES A LITTLE MORE CLARITY IN IT, BUT IT, IT MEANS WE'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT UP HERE WITH 50 PARENTS GOING, MY KID CAN'T PLAY BASKETBALL IN THE STREET. RIGHT? I HAVE TO MOVE THE GOLD OF THE STREET IN THE DRIVEWAY NOW AND THAT MEANS ALL THE CARS ARE IN THE STREET AND NOW I GOT THOSE PROBLEMS AND THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER. SO I THINK IT'S A GOOD COMPROMISE. THIS IS ONE THAT COMES IN T SAC RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF IT PER WHAT PD CAME UP WITH. OKAY. UM, THE OTHER THING WE ADDED IS A VULNERABLE, VULNERABLE ROAD USER PROVISION. AND AGAIN, WE, WE, I THINK WENT WITH SOMETHING THAT PRETTY MUCH IS COMMON SENSE, RIGHT? THIS ISN'T SOME EXTREME THING OF YOU GOTTA BE SITTING BEHIND A BICYCLIST FOR AN HOUR AND CAN'T, CAN'T GET WITHIN 50 FEET OF 'EM. THE WAY WE'VE WORDED IT AGAIN, WE THINK IS, IS PRETTY COMMON SENSE INCLUDES SAFE PASSING, RIGHT? IT INCLUDES NOT HARASSING AND INCLUDES EXERCISING DO CARE. IT'S THE STUFF THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WHAT WE LIKE ABOUT CHURCH, TREAT OTHER PEOPLE THE WAY WE THINK. IT'S A PRACTICAL PRAGMATIC, AND AGAIN, THE, THE SECTION ON BICYCLES ALSO RESTRICTS WHAT CYCLISTS CAN DO, RIGHT? I MEAN, AGAIN, IT, IF EVERYBODY'S BEING RESPECTFUL, IT WORKS WELL. WHEN YOU GOT A BIG GROUP OF CYCLISTS AND THEY'RE TAKING UP, YOU KNOW, RIDING FOR ABRE, YOU CAN'T GET AROUND OUR CODE WON'T LET THEM DO THAT. SO WE THINK IT'S A, IT'S A GOOD GOOD BALANCE THERE. UM, AND YOU'LL SEE THE LANGUAGE WHEN WE RUN THE ORDINANCE. A COUPLE THINGS WE DID IS ELIMINATED THE SECTION ON THE PHOTO PHOTOGRAPHIC TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT BASED ON CHANGES IN STATE LAW. AS THEY SAID, WE UPDATED THE SECTION ON BICYCLES AND PLAY VEHICLES. WE MORE CLEARLY OUTLINE THE PROCESS OF INSTALLING AND REMOVING SPEED HUMPS IN, IN KIND OF NEIGHBORHOODS. UM, AND THEN AGAIN, ONE THING THAT, THAT PROBABLY IS GONNA GET MORE WORK, AND AND YOU MAY RECALL, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THIS A WHILE BACK A FEW YEARS AGO WHEN WE WERE HAVING SOME THINGS KIND OF GO ON IS, IS MOVING EVENTS THOSE MARCHES, THOSE PROCESSIONS THOSE THINGS LIKE THAT JUST SO THAT WE'VE GOT A PERMIT PROCESS SO THAT WHEN PEOPLE WANT TO DO STUFF THAT'S GOING TO IMPEDE THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC OR CREATE A POTENTIAL, THERE'S A PERMIT PROCESS TO GO THROUGH TO MAKE SURE IT'S DONE CORRECTLY. AND AGAIN, IT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT OFTEN WE DO OR WE'LL GET CALLS ON FROM SOME OF THE CHURCH GROUPS THAT WANT TO DO A RUN WHERE THEY STAY ON THE SIDEWALK, BUT IT'S A BIG GROUP SO THEY'RE ALL GONNA BE KIND OF CROSSING THE ROAD AT ONE TIME AND WE SEND SOMEBODY OUT WITH PD TO MAKE SURE IT WORKS OKAY. UM, WHEN WE USED TO DO THE WILL AND CHECK WALK ON SHS PARKWAY, WE WOULD'VE KIND OF REQUIRED IT OF OURSELVES. AND SO THE THE IDEA IS TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING SO THAT WE'VE GOT SOMETHING THERE THAT'S REASONABLE THAT LETS US DEAL WITH IT, AVOID PROBLEMS, UM, KIND OF GOING FORWARD, UM, SORT OF A, A SITUATION. UH, BUT WE ANTICIPATE BRINGING THIS BACK IN A COUPLE OF MEETINGS FROM YOU, DEPENDING ON HOW LONG STAFF TAKES TO, TO DO THAT KIND OF FINAL REVIEW. WE'LL GET IT CLEANED UP AND, AND LOOKING NICE WITH EVERYTHING. UM, BUT JUST WANTED TO KIND OF TELL YOU, THIS IS ON THE HORIZON. IT'S COMING AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND DEVIL'S IN THE DETAILS, UH, BUT JUST BECAUSE IT'S A, IT'S A BIG THING THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON A WHILE, WANTED TO HAVE KIND OF GIVEN YOU A HEADS UP, BUT HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT WHERE WE'RE HEADED OR WHAT WE'RE THINKING OR SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT US TO LOOK AT. COUNCIL MEMBER HAYWARD WITH THE BASKETBALL GOALS. MM-HMM. , HOW IS THAT GOING TO AFFECT SOME OF THE HOAS BECAUSE SOME OF THEM DON'T ALLOW BASKETBALL GOALS IN THE STREET PERIOD. IS THAT BECAUSE TYPICALLY THOSE CAN BE AN ISSUE AND PEOPLE GET LITTLE NASTY GRAMS FROM THEIR HOAS? YEAH. SO LEMME FOR THIS CHANGE, DAN KIND OF CHIME IN. I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE I'M NOT AS CLEAR ON WHAT THE HOA CAN REGULATE WITH REGARD TO WHAT'S IN THE CITY STREET. BUT AGAIN, WITH REGARD TO OUR NORMAL REGULATIONS, IF AN HOA SAYS YOU CAN'T PUT A POOL IN YOUR BACKYARD, EVEN THOUGH THE CITY CODE WOULD ALLOW YOU TO PUT A POOL IN YOUR BACKYARD, THEN IT'S YOUR HO A'S THING TO DEAL WITH YOU ON THAT. RIGHT? AND JUST 'CAUSE THE HOA SAYS YOU CAN PUT A POOL IN THE BACKYARD IF YOU CAN'T MEET THE CITY REQUIREMENTS, YOU CAN'T PUT A POOL IN IN YOUR BACKYARD. SO HOA IS GONNA DEAL WITH YOU ON WHAT YOU CAN AND CAN'T DO. AND THAT MAY OR MAY NOT MATCH WITH THE CITY. BUT IF THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE TO THAT IS WE IMPOSE AS A REGULATION THE MOST RESTRICTIVE HOA REGULATION ON THE ENTIRE CITY. AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE PEOPLE GOING, WELL, I BOUGHT A HOUSE NOT AN HOA. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT SORT OF STUFF. SO YOU'RE INHERENTLY GONNA [02:40:01] HAVE THAT. I THINK. AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION WHEN YOU SAY THE PERMIT FOR I GUESS MOVING EVENTS MM-HMM. . SO AN HOA WANTS TO PUT ON A PARADE, THEY HAVE TO COME IN AND GET A PERMIT. YEAH. IF AN HOA SAYS WE'RE GONNA DO THIS PARADE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE'RE GONNA GO DOWN, THE GOAL WOULD BE, AND SO LIKE SAY THEY SAY, HEY, WE WANNA DO A, A VETERAN'S DAY PARADE OR A, YOU KNOW, 4TH OF JULY, A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOODS DO THAT. THAT'S A FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD THING. WE'D MAKE SURE THE PROCESS IS FAIRLY SIMPLE. LOOK AT WHICH STREETS THEY WANT TO GO. DO YOU NEED AN OFFICER OUT THERE TO, TO BLOCK TRAFFIC? RIGHT. THAT'S, WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE IT OVERLY CUMBERSOME IN THOSE SITUATIONS. RIGHT. BUT IF WE HAVE A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT SAYS WE WANNA MARCH UP AND DOWN SHEZ PARKWAY AND, AND YOU KNOW, IT, IT'LL CREATE SOME TRAFFIC ISSUES. WE, WE WANT TO HAVE THEM GONE THROUGH THAT PERMIT PROCESS TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WE CAN ALL DO IT SAFELY. OKAY. THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD WITH REGARD TO HOAS IS WHEN THEY MAKE A CONSCIOUS DECISION TO DEDICATE THEIR STREETS TO THE PUBLIC SO THEY DON'T WANNA MAINTAIN THEM AS PRIVATE STREETS, YOU KNOW, THEN THEY'RE GONNA BE SUBJECT TO THE CITY REGULATIONS WITH REGARD TO THE USE OF THE STREET. IF THEY WANT TO KEEP 'EM PRIVATE, THEN THEY CAN CONTROL THE STREETS. I FIGURED THAT WAS A QUESTION. 'CAUSE I JUST KNOW SOME HOAS THAT GIVE PEOPLE A HARD TIME NOW WITH THEIR BASKETBALL GOALS. THAT'S WHY I ASKED ONE QUESTION ON THE, UH, ON THE FEES. UM, NUMBER SEVEN, UH, THE, UH, WILL YOU INCLUDE THAT, WHAT THE FEES ARE GONNA BE WHEN YOU BRING THAT UP TO COUNCIL ON PAGE, UH, SLIDE SEVEN. OH YEAH. JUST INCLUDE THE FEES WITH THE OH WE WILL, YEAH. THAT, THAT WOULD BE ONE THAT WE'LL WALK YOU THROUGH THE PROPOSED FEE SCHEDULE WITH AND EVERYTHING. YEAH. AND DEPENDING ON, I I GUESS THERE'S GONNA BE DIFFERENT TYPES OF MARCHES. UH, YOU HAVE THE CHRISTMAS LIGHT PARADE WHERE THERE'S VEHICLES AND YOU, LIKE YOU SAID, THERE'S, THERE'S FIVE KS GOING UP, UH, THE PARKWAY ON JUST YEAH, LIKE BVYA UHHUH, THE OPENING DAY BASEBALL, RIGHT? THEY, THEY COME OUT OF BUFFALO AT CLEMONS, THEY MAKE THAT LITTLE TURN AND THEY'RE ON THE SECTION OF SHE PARKWAY FOR WHAT, 30 FEET AND THEY TURN IN KIND OF THING. I MEAN THAT'S REAL DIFFERENT THAN WHATEVER. AND SO I, YOU KNOW, WHILE THERE'LL BE A FAIRLY NOMINAL FEE TO APPLY FOR THE PERMIT, YOU KNOW, I THINK PART OF WHAT'LL GO INTO THIS IS WHEN THEY NEED OFFICERS AND THE COST OF HAVING OFFICERS OUT THERE DIRECTING TRAFFIC, THINGS LIKE THAT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER WESTBROOK. YEP. WHEN IT COMES TO THE BASKETBALL GOAL. YES SIR. MAYBE JUST, MAYBE CAN YOU ADD IN THERE, MAYBE IT SHOULD NOT IMPEDE A FIRST RESPONDER, LIKE PUT IT IN FRONT OF A FIRE HYDRANT. CAN YOU IMAGINE A BASKETBALL GOAL NEAR A FIRE HYDRANT AND THEN YOU RUN IT OVER? YEAH, YOU RUN IT OVER AND THEN THERE'S A FIRE. I'M JUST SORT OF SAYING, YEAH, LET LET, SO, SO IF YOU WILL LET ME DO THIS, I'LL GO BACK AND WE'LL, I'LL SHOOT AN EMAIL OUT TO FIRE AND EMS AND WHATNOT AND SEE IF THEY THINK THAT'S AN ISSUE. BUT YEAH, THAT THAT FAIR ENOUGH. I THINK WHAT WE'VE, WHAT WE CAN PROBABLY PUT IN IS SOME GENERIC LANGUAGE IS WHAT I THINK THEY'RE GONNA SAY AS NOT CREATE SITE DISTANCE ISSUES, NOT BLOCK FIRE HYDRANTS, THINGS LIKE THAT. YEAH. LEAVE IT A LITTLE MORE OPEN-ENDED. YEAH, WE CAN. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. JAMES. ALRIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON. OKAY. COUNSEL, ANY [ Requests and Announcements Requests by Mayor and Councilmembers for updates or information from Staff Requests by Mayor and Councilmembers that items or presentations be placed on a future City Council agenda City and Community Events attended and to be attended (Council)] POSSIBLE UPDATES OR INFORMATION REQUESTED FROM STAFF DINA, WE'LL MOVE ON. UH, COUNSEL ANY POSSIBLE ITEMS YOU'D LIKE TO PLACE ON THE FUTURE AGENDA? RIGHT. ANNOUNCEMENTS BY COUNCIL MEMBERS. UH, MAYOR PROTON GIBSON. I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, ATTEND THE DOBO SHOWDOWN, UH, AT THE SHORT CIVIC CENTER THAT WAS POWERED BY THE, UM, THE FILIPINO AMERICAN CHAMBER OF COMMERCE OF TEXAS. THEY DID AN AMAZING JOB. THE FOOD WAS WONDERFUL AND, UH, MAKING SURE THAT FOLKS MAKE IT OUT NEXT YEAR. UM, I ALSO ATTENDED THE CHAMBER LUNCHEON. IT WAS A GREAT INFORMATIONAL DIALOGUE THAT WAS SHARED BY LIEUTENANT GENERAL O' BRIAN ROBINSON, WHO IS THE COMMANDER OF THE ERA EDUCATION AND TRAINING COMMAND OF JBSA RANDOLPH. AND HE WAS TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY'RE GONNA BE REPLACING THEIR, UH, AIRCRAFT, WHICH WE KNEW, BUT WHAT ALL THAT'S GONNA BRING ALSO TO OUR CITY. SO IT WAS REALLY GOOD TO HEAR FROM HIM DIRECTLY. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS. NOTHING GOOD TONIGHT, SIR. COUNCIL MEMBER WATSON? NOTHING TONIGHT. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER MACALUSO? UH, NOTHING SIR. COUNCIL MEMBER WESTBROOK NOTHING. COUNCIL MEMBER HAYWARD? UH, YES. I ATTENDED THE, UH, T-M-L-T-A-M-C-C NEWLY ELECTED, UH, WORKSHOP I CEED AND WAS ABLE TO EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE WHAT TML ACTUALLY IS AND WHAT THEIR MEMBERSHIP GETS THEM. AND SO I THINK WE'RE GETTING A NEW GROUP OF NEWLY ELECTEDS THAT WILL PROBABLY TAKE FULL ADVANTAGE OF THEIR TML MEMBERSHIP. I ATTENDED THE ADOBO THROWDOWN, IT WAS AMAZING. AND I GOT TO ACTUALLY HELP ONE OF THE CHEFS WITH PREPARING A MEAL AND IT [02:45:01] WAS DELICIOUS. AND THEN I ATTENDED THE CITY, UM, TIME AT TAMA PARK AND WE ENDED UP GETTING RAINED OUT, BUT IT WAS A GOOD THING. AND THEN THE CHAMBER LUNCHEON TODAY AND IT WAS ABSOLUTELY AMAZING. OKAY, COUNCIL MEMBER BROWN, JUST THE CHAMBER LUNCH TODAY. THAT'S ALL. OKAY. THE TIME IS NOW 8 45. WE STAND, ADJOURN. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.