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[1. CALL TO ORDER]
LIKE CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.REGULAR MEETING OF THE SHE'S PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
ITEM NUMBER ONE ON THE AGENDA.
ON THE AGENDA WAS CALL TO ORDER.
[2. SEAT ALTERNATE TO ACT IF REQUIRED]
SEAT ALTERNATES WE HAVE.UH, MR. WALLACE JOINING US THIS EVENING.
ITEM NUMBER THREE, HEARING OF RESIDENCE.
ANYBODY? NOBODY SIGNED UP, NO EMAILS? NO.
[4. CONSENT AGENDA:]
CONSENT AGENDA.THERE'S NO DISCUSSION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
WE HAVE A SINGLE ITEM, FOUR A MINUTES FOR THE SEPTEMBER 4TH, 2024 PLANNING AND ZONING, COMMISSION MEETING COMMISSIONERS.
DO WE NEED TO PULL THAT FOR DISCUSSION OR CORRECTION OR ANYTHING? IF NOT, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA? I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
WILL YOU PUBLISH THAT PLEASE? WE HAVE SEVEN AYES.
NONE OPPOSED THAT MOTION PASSES.
ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS PUBLIC HEARINGS.
SO WE HAVE FOUR PUBLIC HEARINGS THIS EVENING.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WILL HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING RELATED TO ZONE CHANGE REQUESTS, SPECIFIC USE PERMITS AND UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENTS.
WITHIN THIS AGENDA, THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE OPEN TO RECEIVE A REPORT FROM STAFF, THE APPLICANT, THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS AFFECTED BY THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST, AND ANY OTHER INTERESTED PERSONS.
THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE CLOSED.
THE COMMISSION WILL DISCUSS AND CONSIDER THE APPLICATION AND MAY REQUEST ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM STAFF OR THE APPLICANT IF REQUIRED AFTER DELIBERATION.
AFTER DELIBERATION, THE COMMISSION IS ASKED TO CONSIDER AND ACT UPON THE FOLLOWING REQUEST AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL IF NECESSARY.
[A. PLZC20240227 – Hold a public hearing and make a recommendation on a request to rezone approximately 218 acres of land to Agricultural District (AD), more specifically known as Comal County Property Identification Numbers 79001, 78946, 75480, 78247, 79009, and 79006, City of Schertz, Comal County, Texas.]
IS PLZC 2 2 4 0 2 2 7.HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON A REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 218 ACRES OF LAND FROM AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT, MORE SPECIFICALLY KNOWN AS KAMAL COUNTY PROPERTY.
IDENTIFICATION NUMBER IS 7 9 0 0 1 7 8 9 4 6 7 5 4 8 0 7 8 2 4 7 7 9 0 0 9 AND 7 9 0 0 6.
CITY OF SHORTZ, KAMAU COUNTY, TEXAS.
UM, USUALLY IT SAYS REZONE TO FROM.
DID WE LEAVE SOMETHING OUT HERE? OH, IT'S FINE.
SO THIS IS FOR B-L-P-L-C-C 20 24 0 2 2 7.
APPROXIMATELY 218 ACRE ZONING TO AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT, EMILY DELGADO, PLANNING MANAGER.
SO AS SOME BACKGROUND YOU MIGHT REMEMBER, UM, EARLIER THIS YEAR, AND THEN SPECIFICALLY IN JULY, THERE WERE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS, SPECIFICALLY JULY 2ND, WHERE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED ORDINANCES ANNEXING AND ESTABLISHING A ZONING DESIGNATION FOR OVER 3000 ACRES OF LAND IN BAYER, AL AND GUADALUPE COUNTY ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED AS PART OF THE LARGER ANNEXATION PROCESS.
THE AL COUNTY PROPERTY IDENTIFICATION NUMBERS IN THIS ZONE CHANGE WERE ORIGINALLY PLANNED AS PART OF THAT GROUP, BUT BASED ON A REQUEST OF THE PROPERTY OWNER, THEY WERE ACTUALLY PULLED FROM THAT ORIGINAL GROUP, UM, AND FROM THE ORIGINAL ZONING THAT TOOK PLACE ON JULY 2ND.
HOWEVER, ON JULY 16TH, THE CITY COUNCIL DID MEET AND APPROVED RESOLUTION 24 R 81, WHICH AUTHORIZED A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH CHARLENE AND TIMOTHY PHI AND SANDRA SANDRA REE.
AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THE PROPERTY OWNERS AGREED TO HAVE THEIR AGRICULTURAL LAND ANNEX INTO THE CITY AND ZONED BASED ON THAT AGREEMENT AT THE JULY 16TH MEETING, THESE PROPERTY IDS WERE ANNEXED.
HOWEVER, THE ZONING FOR THE MASS GROUP, RIGHT? IF YOU REMEMBER WHEN WE DID ALL THE ANNEXATIONS, WE DID THE ZONING AS LIKE BIG CHUNKS.
THAT ZONING CASE WAS ON THE JULY 2ND MEETING.
SO IT NEVER ACTUALLY GOT A ZONING DISTRICT ESTABLISHED.
SO THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT A, FROM THIS TO THIS, IT DOESN'T HAVE A ZONING DISTRICT STILL.
SO WE'RE ESTABLISHING IT FOR THE FIRST TIME.
THERE IS CURRENTLY NO DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THESE PROPERTIES.
AGAIN, IT'S JUST BASED ON THEM BEING ANNEXED IN JULY AND THEY NEED A ZONING,
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UH, DISTRICT ESTABLISHED.SO THERE ARE THOSE PROPERTIES.
THIS IS FM 42 TO GET YOUR BEARINGS AND THEN THE PROPERTIES HERE.
HAVE ANOTHER PICTURE OF IT HERE, SHOWS IT A LITTLE CLEARER.
ON SEPTEMBER 19TH, NINE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES WERE SENT.
WE'VE RECEIVED THREE RESPONSES IN FAVOR AND SIGNS WERE PLACED ON FM 4 82 ON SEPTEMBER 20TH.
SO THE PROPOSAL IS TO AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE REST OF THE PROPERTIES THAT WERE ANNEXED IN JULY.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE REST OF THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICTS HERE THAT WERE ANNEXED.
AND THEN AS I MENTIONED, PART OF THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS THE RESIDENTIAL HOMESTEAD IS BEING LEFT UNDER A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE DVL HERE IS.
SO JUST LIKE ALL THE REST OF THE ZONING CASES, WE LOOK AT 2154 D FOR THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL.
SO NUMBER ONE, WHETHER THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE OR ZONING MAP AMENDMENT IMPLEMENTS THE POLICIES OF THE ADOPTED COMPREHENSIVE LAND PLAN, INCLUDING THE LAND USE CLASSIFICATION OF THE PROPERTY ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
SO THESE PROPERTIES DO HAVE THREE DIFFERENT, UM, LAND USE CATEGORIES.
SO 7 9 0 0 6 IS DEVELOPMENT DEFERMENT.
AND THEN 7 9 0 0 1 7 8 9 4 6 7 5, 4, 8 0, AND 7 8 2, 4 7 ARE ALL REGIONAL CORRIDOR.
ALTHOUGH THE SUBJECT PARCELS HAVE DIFFERENT COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN DESIGNATIONS, THE PROPOSED AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN.
IT'S ALSO CONSISTENT WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES AND WHAT'S EXISTING ON THE PROPERTIES AS WELL.
NUMBER TWO, WHETHER THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE OR ZONING MAP AMENDMENT PROMOTES THE HEALTH, SAFETY OR GENERAL WELFARE OF THE CITY AND THE SAFE, ORDERLY, EFFICIENT, AND HELPFUL DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY.
THE CITY SHOULD ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING USES, UTILIZING STANDARDS AND TRANSITIONAL USES TO ALLEVIATE NEGATIVE IMPACTS.
THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT THAT IS PROPOSED AS THAT BASE ZONING ALLOWS FOR AGRICULTURAL AND RESIDENTIAL USES.
AGAIN, THAT IS WHAT THESE PROPERTIES ARE BEING USED FOR TODAY.
NUMBER THREE, WHETHER THE USE IS PERMITTED BY THE PROPOSED CHANGE IN ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION AND THE STANDARDS APPLICABLE TO SUCH USES WILL BE APPROPRIATE IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA OF THE LAND TO BE RECLASSIFIED.
THE SEPARATE PARCELS ARE CURRENTLY UTILIZED FOR AG, SO THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT IS APPROPRIATE ALONG WITH THE PROPERTIES AROUND IT.
NUMBER FOUR, WHETHER THE PROPOSED CHANGE IS IN ACCORD WITH ANY EXISTING OR PROPOSED PLANS FOR PROVIDING PUBLIC SCHOOL STREETS, WATER SUPPLY, SANCTUARY, SEWER, OTHER PUBLIC SERVICES, UH, NOTICE WAS MAILED TO YOU ISD OF THE PROPOSED ZONING.
ADDITION TO SHIRT'S, POLICE FIRING EMS REVIEW OF THE ZONING CASE AS WELL AND PROVIDED, UM, NO OBJECTIONS AND AGAIN, AS I STATED EARLIER, KNOWLEDGE DEVELOPMENT PLANS ARE PROPOSED.
HOWEVER, WITH THE PROPERTIES, BASICALLY HAVING NO ZONING DESIGNATION AT THIS POINT, THE MOST APPROPRIATE ACTION IS TO ESTABLISH A ZONING SINCE THEY WERE JUST ANNEXED.
NUMBER FIVE, WHETHER THERE HAVE BEEN ENVIRONMENTAL OR ECONOMICAL CHANGES WHICH WARRANT THE REQUESTED CHANGE, THERE HAVE NOT BEEN ENVIRONMENTAL OR ECONOMICAL CHANGES.
AGAIN, THEY WERE JUST RECENTLY ANNEXED AND A ZONING DESIGNATION WASN'T ESTABLISHED.
NUMBER SIX, WHETHER THERE'S AN ERROR IN THE ORIGINAL ZONING, AGAIN, THERE IS NO ZONING CURRENTLY.
NUMBER SEVEN, WHETHER ALL THE APPLICANT'S BACK TAXES OWED TO THE CITY HAVE BEEN PAID IN FULL, THEY DON'T OWE ANY TAXES.
AGAIN, THEY JUST GOT ANNEXED IN JULY.
NUMBER EIGHT, WHETHER OTHER CRITERIA ARE MET, WHICH AT THE DISCRETION OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, THE CITY COUNCIL ARE DEEMED RELEVANT AND IMPORTANT STAFF IS ENSURED.
ALL UDC REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN MET AND AT THIS TIME I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS DUE TO THE SUBJECT PARTIES BEING ANNEXED.
UM, THEY NEED TO HAVE AN ESTABLISHED ZONING DISTRICT.
THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT IS THE MOST APPROPRIATE WITH THE SURROUNDING AND WHAT'S CURRENTLY BEING UTILIZED FOR THE PROPERTY AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.
ALRIGHT, UM, DODGING THE REFLECTIONS UP THERE.
IT IS, UM, 6:08 PM AND I'LL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THIS TOPIC IS WELCOME TO STEP FORWARD.
NOBODY GOING ONCE, TWICE CLOSE.
ALRIGHT, IT IS STILL 6 0 8 PUBLIC INPUT, PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED.
COMMISSIONERS, ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING? NO.
THIS IS, UM, THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.
IF, UH, ANYONE WOULD, YOU KNOW, WE CAN APPROVE, WE CAN RECOMMEND APPROVAL, WE CAN RECOMMEND DENIAL, WE CAN RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS.
ANYONE WISH TO MAKE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PLZC
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2 0 2 4 0 2 2 7 SECOND.ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE OR RECOMMEND APPROVAL FROM COMMISSIONER MCMASTER AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER CARONE.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR COMMENTS? ALRIGHT, PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTES.
WOULD YOU PUBLISH THAT PLEASE? I HAVE SEVEN AYES.
NONE OPPOSED THAT MOTION PASSES.
ALRIGHT, IS THE WIFI ON
HERE IS THE, IS THE WIFI ON? IS THE WIFI SIGNAL ON? IT'S ON, IT IS.
[B. PLZC20240210 - Hold a public hearing and make a recommendation on a request to rezone approximately 1.4 acres of land, from Office and Professional District (OP) to Neighborhood Services District (NS), generally located 250-feet South of the intersection of Antler Drive and FM 3009, more specifically known as Guadalupe County Property Identification Number 20412, City of Schertz, Guadalupe County, Texas.]
IS PLZC 2 0 2 4 0 2 1 0 WHILE THE PUBLIC HEARING TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON A REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 1.4 ACRES OF LAND FROM OFFICE AND PROFESSIONAL DISTRICT TO NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES DISTRICT, GENERALLY LOCATED 250 FEET SOUTH OF THE INTERSECTION OF ANTLER DRIVE AND FM 3 0 0 9, MORE SPECIFICALLY KNOWN AS GUADALUPE COUNTY PROPERTY IDENTIFICATION NUMBER 2 0 4 1 2.CITY OF SHEZ, GUADALUPE COUNTY, TEXAS.
PLZC 2 24 0 2 1 0 AND APPROXIMATELY 1.4 ACRES ZONE CHANGE FROM OFFICE PROFESSIONAL DISTRICT TO NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES DISTRICT DAISY MARQUEZ PLANNER.
BUT HERE'S THE SUBJECT PROPERTY OUTLINED IN GREEN.
IT IS LOCATED ALONG FM 3 0 9, ALSO KNOWN AS ROY RICHARD.
IT IS APPROXIMATELY 1.4 ACRES AND IT IS LOCATED IN GUADALUPE COUNTY AND IT IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED HERE.
IT IS AGAIN OUTLINED IN YELLOW.
IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED OFFICE PROFESSIONAL DISTRICT, AND IT IS COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY PROPERTY ZONED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING USED FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES.
AND THEN TO THE EAST IS AGAIN THE RIGHT OF WAY KNOWN AS FM 3 0 9, ALSO KNOWN AS ROY RICHARD.
AND THEN ALL THE WAY UP HERE TO THE NORTH IS ANTLER DRIVE.
AND THEN DOWN HERE TO THE SOUTH IS SAVANNAH DRIVE.
THAT'S KIND OF CUT OFF ON SEPTEMBER 17TH, WE SENT OUT A TOTAL OF 12 PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES.
UM, AS OF OCTOBER 1ST, WE RECEIVED ONE IN FAVOR FROM THE APPLICANT AND THEN ONCE SIGN WAS POSTED ON THE PROPERTY, AND IT WILL BE POSTED IN THE SAN ANTONIO EXPRESS BEFORE CITY COUNCIL AND IT WILL BE 10 TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED FOR THE NOVEMBER 12 CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
UM, JUST SO YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT HAVING DEJA VU.
UH, THIS WAS PREVIOUSLY APPLIED FOR A PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE FOR THE SAME SUBJECT PROPERTY FOR THE SAME ACREAGE, UM, FOR OFFICE PROFESSIONAL DISTRICT TWO NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES DISTRICT AT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HELD A PUBLIC HEARING IN MAY, 2024.
AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MADE A RECOMMENDATION FOR A DENIAL WITH A FIVE ONE VOTE TO CITY COUNCIL.
BUT THE APPLICANT WITHDREW THE APPLICATION BEFORE IT COULD BE HEARD AT CITY COUNCIL.
AND THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE IS FOR APPROXIMATELY 1.4 ACRES OF LAND TO NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES DISTRICT.
AND THE APPLICANT WISHES TO REZONE THE PROPERTY TO DEVELOP AN AUTOMATED CAR WASH.
SO AGAIN, STAFF GOES THROUGH, GOES THROUGH UDC, SECTION 2 1 5 4 D THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL FOR A ZONE CHANGE.
AND I'M GONNA GO THROUGH THOSE, UH, ONE, WHETHER THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE OR ZONING MAP AMENDMENT IMPLEMENTS THE POLICIES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN, INCLUDING THE LAND USE CLASSIFICATION OF THE PROPERTY ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
SO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY OUTLINED HERE IN YELLOW WITH THE STAR IS CLASSIFIED AS LOCAL CORRIDOR.
AND STAFF BELIEVES THAT NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES DISTRICT DOES NOT IMPLEMENT THE POLICIES OF THE ADOPTED COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE.
UM, AND THIS IS BECAUSE LOCAL CORRIDOR LAND USE DESIGNATION IS MEANT TO CONTAIN CONVENTIONAL RETAIL CENTERS, SMALL SCALE MIXED USE, MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT AND RESIDENTIAL
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USES THAT ARE OF SCALE AND INTENSITY COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS.UM, TO THE NORTHWEST AND SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, THE PROPERTIES ARE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT R ONE AND ARE USED FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES.
AND TO THE EAST OF THE PROPERTY IS FM 3 0 9 AND IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES ONLY ACCESS POINT CURRENTLY.
AND ALTHOUGH THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON FM 3 0 9 AND HAS THAT ACCESS, IT'S COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONED PROPERTIES THAT ARE CURRENTLY USED FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
UM, AND I DID, UM, CONFIRM BEFORE THIS MEETING THAT THIS PROPERTY OWNER OWNS THESE TWO LOTS AND HE USES THEM AS ONE SINGLE LOT AND, UM, HE USES IT FOR HIS HOME AS WELL.
AND AS A RESULT OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY BEING NESTLED WITHIN THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES, THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES DISTRICT IS NOT COMPATIBLE.
TWO, WHETHER THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE OR ZONING MAP AMENDMENT PROMOTES THE HEALTH, SAFETY, GENERAL WELFARE OF THE CITY AND THE SAFE, EARLY, EFFICIENT AND HELPFUL DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY.
THE PROPOSED NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES DISTRICT DIMENSIONAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARD, AS STATED IN SECTION 21, 57 B OF THE UDC ARE NOT COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT IS IN THE IMMEDIATELY SURROUNDING AREA.
THE EXISTING OFFICE PROFESSIONAL DISTRICT IS MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE IMMEDIATE SURROUNDING AREA AS IT IS THE LEAST INTENSE COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT WE HAVE CURRENTLY, AND AS PER UC SECTION 2156, THE PURPOSE AND INTENT OF THE OFFICE PROFESSIONAL DISTRICT IS TO PROVIDE ANCILLARY RETAIL SERVICES, WHICH MAY INCLUDE THINGS LIKE RESTAURANTS, COFFEE SHOPS, AND NEWSSTANDS FOR OFFICE DEVELOPMENTS.
AND ALTHOUGH THE PROPOSED NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES DISTRICT IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE SUITABLE AREAS FOR DEVELOPMENT OF CERTAIN LIMITED SERVICES AND RETAIL USES IN PROXIMITY TO RESIDENTIAL USES, IT IS ALSO INTENDED TO BE PROPERLY BUFFERED FOR RESIDENTIAL USES AS PER U TO C SECTION 2156.
BUT THE LOCATION OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENT RESIDENCES.
THREE, WHETHER THE USE IS PERMITTED BY THE PROPOSED CHANGE IN ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION AND STANDARDS APPLICABLE TO SUCH USE WILL BE APPROPRIATE AND THE IMMEDIATE AREA OF THE LAND WILL BE RECLASSIFIED.
SO AGAIN, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT PROPERTIES THAT ARE USED FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES.
AND ALTHOUGH THIS SUBJECT PROPERTY DOES HAVE ACCESS TO FM 3 0 9, IT IS NOT IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES DISTRICT PROPERTIES OR PROPERTIES THAT ARE ALREADY USED FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES.
UM, HERE ARE THE USES ALLOWED BY RIGHT FOR NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES DISTRICT LISTED AND THE USES, UH, PERMITTED BY WRIGHT AND OFFICE PROFESSIONAL DISTRICT.
AND MANY OF THE ALLOWED USES IN NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES DISTRICT ARE NOT APPROPRIATE IN THE MEDIA AREA OF THE LAND AND BE RECLASSIFIED THE EXISTING OFFICE PROFESSIONAL DISTRICT ARE PERMITTED.
USES ARE MORE APPROPRIATE IN THE MEDIA AREA OF THE LAND TO BE RECLASSIFIED.
FOUR, WHETHER THE PROPOSED LOAN CHANGES IN ACCORD WITH ANY OF THE EXISTING OR PROPOSED PLANS FOR PROVIDING SCHOOLS, STREETS, WATER SUPPLY, SANITARY SEWERS, OR OTHER PUBLIC SERVICES AND UTILITIES OF THE AREA.
SO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA SERVICED BY THE CITY OF SHES FOR WATER AND SEWER.
AND ALONG, UH, FM 3 0 9, THERE'S AN EXISTING 12 INCH WATER LINE, AN EIGHT INCH SEWER LINE, AND FM 3 0 9 IS A TXDOT ROAD AND IS CLASSIFIED AS A PRINCIPAL ARTERIAL WITH A PLANNED 120 TO 130 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY WIDTH.
AND THE SUBJECT PROPERTY HAS AN EXISTING CURB CUT ON FM 3 0 0 9, BUT ANY PROPOSED DRIVEWAYS WILL NEED TO BE REVIEWED BY THE CITY OF SHIRTS ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND TDOT AND THE CITY INSUREDS POLICE, FIRE AND EMS DEPARTMENTS HAVE REVIEWED THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT EXPRESSED CONCERNS IN RELATION TO THE POTENTIAL NUMBER OF VEHICLES WITHIN THE AUTOMATED CAR WASH.
IN RELATION TO THE STACKING ON SITE AND POTENTIAL TRAFFIC FLOW ISSUES, INCLUDING OVERFLOW ON TWO FM THREE TO OH NINE, THE APPLICANT DID NOT SUBMIT CONCEPTUAL OR PROPOSED SITE PLAN WITH THEIR ZONE CHANGE APPLICATION SUBMITTAL.
SO WE COULD NOT RESPOND TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CONCERNS FIVE, WHERE THERE HAVE BEEN ANY ENVIRONMENTAL OR ECONOMICAL CHANGES WHICH WARRANT THE REQUESTED CHANGE.
SO FM 3 0 9 HAS BEEN DEVELOPING AS A CORRIDOR THAT SERVES THE LOCAL NEEDS OF RESIDENTS AND THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND ALTHOUGH THIS SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED ALONG F 3 0 9 AND CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT IMMEDIATE ACCESS IT HAS ONTO THIS RIGHT OF WAY, THE LOCATION OF THIS PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE IS INAPPROPRIATE TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD DUE TO THE ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES.
AND THERE IS NO ERROR IN THIS ORIGINAL ZONING OF THE PROPERTY.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WAS ANNEXED INTO THE CITY SHIRTS IN THE EARLY SEVENTIES AND SEVEN, WHETHER ALL OF THE APPLICANT'S BACK TAXES OWED TO THE CITY HAVE BEEN PAID IN FULL, THIS DOES NOT IMPACT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL EIGHT.
WHETHER ALL OF THE OTHER CRITERIA MET, WHICH AT THE DISCRETION OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL ARE DEEMED
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RELEVANT AND IMPORTANT IN THE CONSIDERATION OF THE AMENDMENT.SO STAFF HAS ENSURE ALL UDC REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN MET FOR THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE, AND AT THIS TIME HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY SPECIAL CONSIDERATION FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION OR CITY COUNCIL.
SO UDC ARTICLE NINE REQUIRES ADDITIONAL SCREENING BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL USES, WHICH DOES REQUIRE A SOLID EIGHT FOOT MAINSTREAM WALL WITH A 20 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER AND ONE TREAT EVERY 30 LINEAR FEE.
AND ALTHOUGH THESE ADDITIONAL SITE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS ARE IN PLACE TO CREATE ADDITIONAL BUFFERING BETWEEN THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND COMMERCIAL USES, THERE ARE CONCERNS OVER THE USES ALLOWED WITHIN THE PROPOSED NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES DISTRICT THAT ARE NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA.
SO DUE TO THE INCOMPATIBILITY OF THE PROPOSED NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES DISTRICT WITHIN AN ENCLAVE OF SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT PROPERTIES, STAFF RECOMMENDS DE DENIAL OF PLZC 2 2 4 0 2, AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND HAS THE PRESENTATION AS WELL.
UH, JAMES GRIFFIN, KILLING GRIFFIN AND BEARMAN, UM, HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, UH, WCWO WATERSHED CAR WASH.
UM, THANK Y'ALL FOR YOUR, FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.
UM, AS DAISY MENTIONED, Y'ALL, AND I'M SURE Y'ALL REMEMBER, UM, HEARD THIS RECENTLY, UM, AND AFTER THE HEARING AND THE RECOMMENDATION, UM, OUR, OUR FOLKS, UH, PULLED THE REZONING REQUEST, WANTED TO COME BACK AND, UH, NOT TRY TO WASTE WASTE Y'ALLS TIME OR, YOU KNOW, JUST HOPE FOR A BETTER ANSWER.
BUT WE FELT THAT REALLY DIDN'T GIVE Y'ALL MUCH INFORMATION, IF ANY, ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT THIS PROPOSED USE WAS GONNA BE, WHY IT WAS APPROPRIATE, AND, AND, AND REALLY JUST LEFT OUT, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST SOME IMPORTANT FACTS, BUT, BUT PROBABLY, PROBABLY ALL OF THEM.
SO, UH, WANTED TO REALLY GIVE Y'ALL SOME, UH, ILLUSTRATIONS, BETTER DETAILS, UH, ON WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED AND WHY, WHY WE THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE HERE.
PULL THAT MIC UP A LITTLE BIT.
IS THAT, IS THAT BETTER? THAT HELP? THANK YOU.
LET'S SEE IF WE CAN, UH, GET Y'ALL A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION HERE.
UM, AND, AND DAISY, YOU KNOW, GAVE YOU THE, THE RUNDOWN, AND I'M SURE Y'ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE LOCATION.
WE'RE, UH, JUST UNDER AN ACRE AND A HALF IN SIZE, UH, RIGHT THERE ON 3 0 0 9.
UM, HAS BEEN ZONED OFFICE PROFESSIONAL FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
UH, BUT YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS AERIAL NEXT FEW SLIDES, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES REALLY THE ENTIRE BLOCK ACROSS THE STREET, UH, QUITE A BIT, UH, ALL AROUND US.
UM, AND THEN AGAIN, WE ARE, WE ARE ON 3 0 0 9, UH, AS FAR AS THE, THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND, UH, THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION.
UM, YOU HEARD SOME OF THOSE, UH, KIND OF HIGHLIGHTS FROM THE LOCAL CORRIDOR, WHICH IS WHAT THIS IS DESIGNATED.
UH, HERE, HERE'S ANOTHER KIND OF SNIPPET FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UH, IT SAYS LOCAL CORRIDOR LAND USE IS DESCRIBED AS LOCALLY ORIENTED COMMERCIAL AND ENTERTAINMENT USES TYPICALLY SITUATED ALONG, UH, MEDIUM TO HIGH VOLUME COLLECTOR ROADS WITH NEIGHBORHOODS AT THEIR PERIMETER.
UH, AND AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE HAVE HERE.
YOU HAVE REALLY A, A HIGHER CLASSIFICATION ROAD.
UH, 3 0 0 9 IS, UH, IS A T ROAD.
UM, YOU DO HAVE RESIDENTIAL ON THE PERIPHERY, UH, YOU KNOW, OFF TO THE EAST, OFF TO THE WEST.
UH, BUT IN FACT THIS, THIS ENTIRE BLOCK, IF NOT MORE, YOU KNOW, WAS ALL ONE PROPERTY DECADES AGO.
UH, AND, AND, AND THERE WAS A REASON, JUST LIKE IN, IN MOST, YOU KNOW, PLANNING SITUATIONS, YOU HAVE THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, OFF OF THE MAIN ROAD, UM, AND THEN YOU HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORT SERVICES, UH, UP ALONG THE MAIN ROAD, UH, WITH THOSE ADEQUATE BUFFERS, YOU KNOW, IN BETWEEN.
UM, SO, UH, AND WE'LL GET TO THE SITE PLAN IN JUST A SECOND, BUT, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER KEY PIECE THERE FROM THE PLAN AND AND OTHERWISE IS THE, THE SCALE AND INTENSITY, UH, AND BEING COMPATIBLE, UH, WITH THE USES.
UH, WE HAVE A VERY SMALL BUILDING, LOW IMPACT, LOW INTENSITY, YOU KNOW, SHUTS DOWN WHEN THE SUN GOES DOWN OR, OR EARLIER.
UM, AND, AND REALLY IS AT PERFECT, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORT, SERVICE, UH, LOW INTENSITY, UH, COMPATIBLE SCALE PROJECT.
UM, THERE'S ANOTHER, ANOTHER AERIAL THERE.
UH, SOME OF THOSE SURROUNDING USES, UH, KIND OF ALL FALL IN LINE OF WITH THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES.
THESE ARE THE THINGS YOU, YOU WANT CLOSE TO HOME.
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UM, YOU KNOW, OIL CHANGE, CAR WASH, SOME SMALLER RESTAURANTS, UM, A FEW, FEW MEDICAL OFFICES.UM, AND THIS NEXT ONE, SO HERE YOU, HERE YOU GO.
SEEING THEM, SEEING THEM LABELED.
UH, YOU HAVE YOUR, YOUR, YOUR WALGREENS, YOUR, YOUR OIL CHANGE, YOUR, YOU KNOW, COFFEE, COFFEE DRIVE THROUGH BREAKFAST SPOT.
UM, REALLY ALL, UM, ALL SORTS OF NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL, UH, RETAIL USES, SUPPORTING THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE PUSHED BACK, UH, FURTHER OFF OF 3 0 0 9.
UH, REALLY PROBABLY HAVE EVERYTHING THERE.
UH, THE ONLY THING MISSING IS, IS A CAR WASH.
UM, UH, AS FAR AS THE ZONING, UM, AND, AND AS WAS MENTIONED, UH, SEVERAL TIMES, ALMOST EVERY SLIDE WAS THE, THAT WE'RE SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL USES AND RESIDENTIAL ZONING, WHICH, UH, YOU KNOW, TECHNICALLY WE ARE SURROUNDED ON THREE SIDES BY RESIDENTIAL ZONING.
UM, BUT THAT I REALLY DON'T THINK TELLS, TELLS THE WHOLE STORY.
UM, AS YOU SEE HERE, THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING TO OUR SOUTH, UM, IS A, IS A DRIVEWAY, UM, THAT WAS CREATED, UH, FOR THE HOME THAT'S SET BACK PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY, UH, OFF TO OUR REAR OFF TO THE WEST.
UM, THAT HAS BEEN IN PLACE SINCE, SINCE THESE PROPERTIES WERE SUBDIVIDED AND KIND OF BROKEN UP WAY BACK WHEN.
UH, IT IS NOT, IT IS NOT A HOME, UH, BY ANY MEANS.
UH, ALTHOUGH IT IS A DRIVEWAY TO A HOME, RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT DRIVEWAY, YOU HAVE, UH, PDD, UH, THEN NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES, UM, AND AGAIN, NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES, THE ENTIRE BLOCK ON THE OTHER SIDE, UH, YOU CAN SEE THE, THE BLUE AND, AND THE PURPLE THERE AS WELL, YOU KNOW, SHOWING THAT CONTINUITY, CONTINUITY OF, UH, COMMERCIAL ZONING, COMMERCIAL USES, NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, SERVICES.
UM, AND, AND EVEN ON THE NORTHERN SIDE, UH, ALTHOUGH WE DO ABUT, YOU KNOW, A HOME, UH, AND A RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT THERE, THE, THE CORNER LOT AS WAS MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, OWNED BY THE ADJACENT HOMEOWNER, UM, BUT NOT A HOME THERE.
SO, UM, YES, TECH, TECHNICALLY WE ARE SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL ZONING.
UH, BUT REALLY LOOKING AT THAT AERIAL, LOOKING AT THAT ZONING MAP, YOU SEE, IT'S, IT'S COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES.
UM, I WON'T READ THAT, THAT WHOLE THING, UM, UP THERE, BUT THERE'S SOME, SOME KEY PIECES THERE ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES AND REALLY WHY IT FITS IN THIS LOCATION, UH, ON THIS PROPERTY.
UM, YOU KNOW, LIMITED SERVICE AND RETAIL USES, UH, IN PROXIMITY TO RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES BY ITS NAME, BY ITS DESIGN, UH, WAS MEANT TO COMPLIMENT NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, BE COMPATIBLE, COMPLIMENT 'EM.
UM, REALLY PERFECT SITUATION HERE OF HAVING ACRE AND A HALF PROPERTY, UH, ON 3 0 0 9, UH, TO COMPLIMENT AND, AND BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, SETBACK BEHIND US.
UM, OH, UM, AND, AND DOWN THERE AT THE BOTTOM, I, I KNOW THERE WAS MENTION OF NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES OPENING UP THE ALLOWABLE USES BEYOND WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING.
UH, WE'VE, WE'VE DRAFTED A SET OF RESTRICTED COVENANTS THAT, THAT WE WOULD FILE, UH, BEFORE THIS WENT TO CITY COUNCIL TO, UH, RESTRICT AGAINST ANY UNDESIRABLE USES.
SOME OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY BAD USES, ALTHOUGH REALLY EVERYTHING, UH, IN THAT DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, FITS KIND OF THE AREA, UH, FOR THOSE REASONS I MENTIONED.
UH, THERE YOU GO, LOOKING AT THE, THE ZONING MAP AGAIN, YOU SEE, YOU KNOW, UH, ALTHOUGH, ALTHOUGH WE HAVE ORANGE ALL AROUND US, UH, REALLY WHAT'S MORE DEFINITIVE OR, YOU KNOW, REPRESENT REPRESENTATIVE, I GUESS I SHOULD SAY, OF, OF THE AREA OF THIS PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING PROPERTIES IS NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES, COMMERCIAL, COMMERCIAL RETAIL THAT SUPPORTS THE NEIGHBORHOODS SET BACK FURTHER OFF.
UH, SO HERE'S SOME ACTUAL, ACTUAL DETAILS, UH, AND THIS IS OUR MORE TECHNICAL SITE PLAN, HAVE A, A BETTER ILLUSTRATION TO SHOW THE BUFFERS AND, AND, UH, LANDSCAPING PROPOSED AS WELL.
UH, BUT YOU SEE HERE, SMALL BUILDING, UH, 4,000 SQUARE FEET, UH, IN TOTAL, UH, 26, UH, PARKING SPACES.
UM, PLENTY OF ROOM AND, AND REALLY, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY DESIGN IT TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT EVEN AT, AT ITS BUSIEST, UH, THERE'S NO STACKING ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THE DRIVEWAY.
UH, AND THEY HAVE THE GOOD, GOOD CIRCULATION AND, AND RUN AN EFFICIENT OPERATION THERE WHERE, UH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE REALLY ONLY THERE FOR A FEW MINUTES.
I MEAN, IT IS, UM, I, I GO THROUGH ONE, ACTUALLY, PROBABLY ONCE OR TWICE A A WEEK
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ON MY WAY TO MY WAY INTO THE OFFICE EVERY MORNING.IT'S A, YOU KNOW, FIVE MINUTE DETOUR THAT GETS, GETS THE CAR CLEAN.
UM, THE, UH, MAYBE SOME OF THE MORE, MORE IMPORTANT DETAILS HERE, UH, YOU SEE, UH, ALL AROUND THE PERIMETER, UH, THERE'LL BE A 20 FOOT MINIMUM LANDSCAPE BUFFER, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TREES AND, AND OTHER LANDSCAPING GOING IN THERE, UH, ON ALL, REALLY ON ALL FOUR SIDES.
UM, THE, UH, THE CODE ALSO REQUIRES AN EIGHT FOOT MASONRY WALL, UH, WHERE A BUDDING RESIDENTIAL.
SO BECAUSE OF THAT RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT THAT WE ABOVE, UH, ON, ON ALL THREE SIDES, UH, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S NOT HOMES EVERYWHERE, UH, OR ON EACH OF THOSE SIDES, UH, EIGHT FOOT WALL, 20 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER, THERE'S ALSO A SIGNIFICANT GRADE CHANGE FROM OUR REAR PROPERTY LINE, UH, AT THE BACK THERE, UH, DOWN TO THE 3 0 0 9, UM, UH, PAVEMENT.
UH, IT, IT DROPS ALMOST 30 FEET.
SO, UH, WE'LL BE CUTTING INTO THE SITE TO MAKE IT MAKE IT LEVEL, MORE LEVEL, UH, WHICH DROPS US AT THE, AT THE BACKSIDE, UH, AT LEAST 10 FEET DOWN.
SO, UM, YOU'RE GONNA BE SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER, UH, THAN ANY RESIDENTIAL, YOU KNOW, UH, NEXT TO US AND AND BEYOND.
UM, PLUS THE WALL, PLUS THE LANDSCAPING.
UH, BASICALLY YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SEE THIS USE, UM, UH, IN, IN ANY REGARD, UH, FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, FROM ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
UH, THAT GRADE REALLY ADDS SOME ADDITIONAL BUFFERS, UH, IN ADDITION TO, TO THE LANDSCAPE BUFFERS, AGAIN, 20, 20 PLUS FEET.
UM, SO, UH, REALLY KIND OF WHO, WHO YOU WOULD WANT AS A NEIGHBOR IF, UH, YOU KNOW, IF THE, THE SITE IS TO BE DEVELOPED.
UH, HERE'S A, HERE'S A BETTER PICTURE OF IT.
UM, KINDA SHOWING WHAT THOSE BUFFERS LOOK LIKE, UH, ALL AROUND, UH, AS WELL AS THE LANDSCAPING THROUGHOUT, UH, UP AGAINST THE TUNNEL ITSELF.
AND, UH, CREEK PRESERVATION AND ADDITIONAL PLANTING, REALLY, YOU KNOW, EVERYWHERE WE CAN.
BUT, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, YOU KNOW, ALONG THE ENTIRE PERIMETER, UH, OF THE SITE, UH, A LITTLE BIT MORE, MORE DETAILS, LIKE I SAID, ABOUT A 4,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, UH, EXPRESS CAR WASH, 120 FOOT, UH, TUNNEL.
UH, YOU HAVE, UM, UH, 24 VACUUM STALLS.
RARELY ARE THEY EVER, YOU KNOW, ALL, ALL FULL, UM, AT ONE TIME, UH, HOURS OF OPERATION THEY OPEN UP AT, AT 7:00 AM THEY CLOSE AT 7:00 PM UH, OR EARLIER.
UM, IF THE SUN GOES DOWN, BASICALLY IT'S, IT'S THE EARLIER OF 7:00 PM OR WHEN THE SUN GOES DOWN, UM, WHEN THEY CLOSE, YOU KNOW, THE SITE IS, IS SECURED, UH, THE LIGHTS ARE OFF.
UM, IF THERE EVER IS, YOU KNOW, THE NEED FOR LIGHTING, IT IS ALL DARK SKY COMPLIANT, DOWNWARD LIGHTING.
UH, BUT AGAIN, EVERYTHING SHUTS OFF REALLY WHEN THE, WHEN THE SUN GOES DOWN.
UM, COUPLE, UH, QUICK ITEMS, UM, UH, ON ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS.
UM, AND, AND THAT SAYS CURRENTLY OVER 50% WATER RECLAIMED, UH, WCW WATERSHED CAR WASH, UH, AS JUST, UM, ENGAGED AND EMBRACE, UH, SOME, SOME NEW TECHNOLOGY.
UH, IF IT GETS APPROVED, THIS'LL BE ONE OF THE FIRST SITES IN THE AREA TO, TO USE THIS.
AND IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY A HUNDRED PERCENT WATER RECLAMATION.
UM, RIGHT NOW, THE TYPICAL CAR WASH CAR, WELL, THE TYPICAL CAR WASH, UM, SPENDS, YOU KNOW, 50 PLUS GALLONS, UH, FOR EACH CAR THAT IS WASHED.
UH, THIS SYSTEM THAT, UH, WATERSHED HAS ABOUT THREE GALLONS PER CAR.
AND THAT'S JUST REALLY KIND OF WHAT IS STILL DRIPPING OFF THE, THE CAR THAT HASN'T, UH, UH, HASN'T BEEN DRIED OFF OR FALLEN DOWN, FILTERED AND RECLAIMED.
SO REALLY, UH, STATE-OF-THE-ART TECHNOLOGY, WCW, UH, FAMILY, FAMILY COMPANY, VERY EXPERIENCED IN CAR WASHES, AND THEY, YOU KNOW, SPEND A LOT OF TIME, EFFORT, MONEY FOCUS, UH, ON ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS AND, UH, WATER, YOU KNOW, WATER CONSERVATION MEASURES, UM, MORE ON THE PROJECT.
UM, YEAH, IT'S ALL, ALL SECURED, LOCKED UP, LIGHTS OFF, UH, WHEN THEY CLOSE.
UM, REALLY EXPERIENCED, UH, YOU KNOW, QUALITY, FAMILY RUN OPERATION, UM, THAT WANTS, WANTS TO BE A PARTNER HERE IN THE COMMUNITY.
UM, HERE, MORE OF THE, YOU KNOW, BACK TO DETAILS, UH, PROBABLY ALREADY WENT OVER, SO WON'T, WON'T DWELL HERE, UH, TOO LONG.
BUT, UH, YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, WHERE THOSE BUFFERS ARE, WHERE THAT, UH, WHERE
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THAT, UH, EIGHT FOOT MASONRY WALL IS.UH, AND JUST, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW WELL BUFFERED WE ARE BOTH FROM, UH, PRIMARY ARTERIAL OF 3 0 0 9, AS WELL AS, UH, RESIDENTIAL AREAS KIND OF OFF TO THE, OFF TO THE WEST.
UM, UH, HERE'S WHAT I MENTIONED EARLIER.
YOU KNOW, IF THERE IS SOME CONCERN ABOUT, UM, SOME, SOME POTENTIALLY UNDESIRABLE USES THAT ARE OTHERWISE ALLOWED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES.
UH, WE, WE INTEND TO DO A CAR WASH.
WE, WE STRONGLY BELIEVE THERE'S A NEED AND THAT IT'S, IT'S COMPATIBLE.
UM, SO, UH, WILLING TO FILE IN THE DEED RECORDS THAT'LL RUN WITH THE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, REGARDLESS OF, OF WHO OWNS IT IN THE FUTURE, HOWEVER MANY YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, UH, THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WHAT MIGHT BE CONSIDERED SOME OF THOSE MORE INTENSE USES LIKE, YOU KNOW, AUTO PARTS SALES OR, UH, OR EVEN A DRIVE IN, UM, GROUP HOME, CONVENIENCE STORE, UH, THOSE SORT OF THINGS.
UH, AND I KNOW THAT'S MY, MY LAST SLIDE.
SO, UM, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, REALLY APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S TIME AND, YOU KNOW, WILLINGNESS TO, TO RECONSIDER THIS.
UM, THIS, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, NOT TO REPEAT MYSELF AGAIN TOO MUCH, I GUESS, BUT, UM, THIS REALLY IS A, A COMPATIBLE USE.
UM, YOU KNOW, FM 3 0 0 9 AS, AS I THINK IT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, UH, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE, THE QUOTES FROM THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN AND FOCUSING ON 3 0 0 9 IS THAT IT SERVES, UH, SERVES THE LOCAL NEEDS OF RESIDENTS AND THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES ZONING THAT WE'RE REQUESTING.
THAT'S THE USE THAT, THAT WE'RE REQUESTING AS WELL.
SO, LOW INTENSITY USE, AGAIN, SERVE, SERVES THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN, SIGNIFICANT LANDSCAPING BUFFERING, UH, MASONRY WALL, UH, MIXED WITH THE GREAT CHANGE AND, AND ELEVATION, DRASTIC ELEVATION DROPS, UH, AS WELL AS THE, YOU KNOW, DOWNWARD DARK SKY LIGHTING, LIMITED HOURS AND EVERYTHING ELSE REALLY, YOU KNOW, MAKE, MAKE THIS THE PERFECT WE BELIEVE, UH, USE.
AND, UH, AND AGAIN, THE ZONING CERTAINLY COMPATIBLE WITH JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING YOU SEE ACROSS 3 0 0 9 DOWN, YOU KNOW, FURTHER ON OUR SIDE, DOWN 3 0 0 9.
AND IT JUST, IT, IT FITS, IT MAKES SENSE.
AND, UH, WE, UH, RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT.
AGAIN, SORRY TO, SORRY TO RAMBLE ON THERE.
UM, BUT, UH, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF, IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY.
OKAY, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
IT IS 6:37 PM AND I'LL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THIS SUBJECT IS WELCOME TO STEP FORWARD.
WHERE IS EVERYBODY TONIGHT? YOU, YOU SENT THE NOTICES OUT AND POSTED THE SIGN, RIGHT? SPEAKING ANYBODY? I DIDN'T BRING WATER.
ALRIGHT, COME ON UP, MEET YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
I'M THE OWNER OF THE SAID PROPERTY.
UM, UM, I HAVE A HOUSE THERE IN, IN, UH, RIGHT DOWN THE STREET FROM THERE.
MY SON IS LIVING THERE WITH HIS WIFE AND TWO SONS.
CAN I HAVE YOUR ADDRESS THERE IN SE, UH, 1320 OAK CIRCLE, OAK DRIVE, 1328 CIRCLE OAK DRIVE IS WHERE THERE, UH, THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE, I, I, JUDY, I DON'T THINK YOU WERE HERE MAYBE WHEN I MADE THESE PRESENTATIONS OF HOW THIS ALL CAME ABOUT, AND THREE DO.
I WAS AROUND BACK BEFORE 3 0 0 9 WAS HERE.
UH, IT WAS A TURN ROW FOR A TRACTOR BACK IN THE DAY.
SO A LOT OF THINGS HAVE CHANGED.
UH, HE PUT TOGETHER THE SAVANNAH SQUARE CONSTRUCTION, UH, AND DID A LOT OF WORK WITH MR. BECK THAT OWNED ALL OF THAT PROPERTY UP IN THERE AND LOCKED IT.
3 0 0 9 WAS, AND MAYBE SOME OF YOU VIEW MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE KNOWN MR. BECK, BUT HE'S QUITE A, A FELLOW.
BUT ANYHOW, MY DAD AND I, AND, AND, AND MR. BECK GOT ALONG REALLY WELL TOGETHER THAT, UH, UH, IT'S SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL ON THREE SIDES.
AND I THINK THAT'S IS WHAT Y'ALL ARE LOOKING AT.
THAT'S WHAT SAYS, WELL, WE CAN'T CHANGE THE ZONING BECAUSE OF THAT REASON.
ORIGINALLY THERE WAS AN EASEMENT, UH, THROUGH THAT PROPERTY AND IT
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WAS AN EASEMENT FOR MR. BECK TO GO TO HIS HOUSE.AND THE BACK FENCE LINE WAS STAGGERED BY I THINK 20 FEET.
AND MY DAD WANTED TO MAKE EVERYTHING SQUARE.
AND EVEN SO, MR. BECK AND, AND MY DAD SAYS, HEY, LET'S SWAP PROPERTIES.
I'LL GIVE YOU THIS EASEMENT HERE AND YOU GIVE ME LAND IN THE BACK.
AND THAT'S WHY THAT FENCE LINE WAS MOVED BACK.
NOW IT'S A WOODEN PRIVACY FENCE.
THEY GOT ELECTRIC GATE IN THERE AND IT REALLY LOOKS NICE IN THERE.
BUT THAT'S HOW THAT WAS CHANGED.
AND I THINK MR. BECK AND MY DAD DIDN'T REALIZE WHAT THAT'S GONNA MEAN LATER.
AND, AND THAT'S WHAT'S STOPPING THE WHOLE PROJECT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, THIS PICTURE RIGHT HERE, DO YOU SEE ANYTHING IN SHIRTS, UNIVERSAL CITY THAT LOOKS LIKE THIS, THE LANDSCAPING, EVERYTHING.
IT WOULD ADD TO THE ARTISTIC APPEAL OF 3 0 0 9.
AND, UH, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND ACCEPTING THIS.
A LOT OF EFFORT'S BEEN PUT INTO MAKING SOMETHING SPECIAL.
UH, ALL THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE BUILDING CODES, SOUND LIGHTING, EVERYTHING HAS BEEN ADDRESSED HERE.
UH, THESE PEOPLE, THEY'VE GOT, I DON'T KNOW, WHAT IS IT, 34 CAR WASHES OR SOMETHING, AND NEW BRAUNFELS ALL OVER THE PLACE.
AND THEY GOT THE VERY LATEST TECHNOLOGY ON WATER CONSERVATION AND THAT, THAT'S A PLUS FOR US, I THINK.
AND, UH, TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT CLOSE TO AN AREA THERE IN CIRCLE OAK DRIVE, MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE OUT THERE IS RETIRED.
UH, AND IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A CAR WASH CLOSE TO WHERE THE PEOPLE LIVE, THE RETIRED FOLKS ARE, BUT THAT'S WHAT IS HOLDING THIS THING UP, IS BECAUSE THE DRIVEWAY WAS CHANGED AND NOW IT'S CLASSIFIED AS, BUT NOBODY LIVES THERE.
UH, MY DAD OWNED THE PROPERTY WHERE THE, UH, JIFFY LUBE IS, AND HE SOLD THAT TO THE GUY, SOLD HIM A HALF ACRE OF LAND.
UH, AND THEN ABOUT THREE YEARS LATER, THAT SAME GUY SAYS, LOOK, I WANNA PUT IN, UH, ANOTHER, UM, UM, CAR WASH, A LITTLE DINKY CAR WASH.
SO HE, UH, WANTED TO BUY ANOTHER HALF ACRE, SO HE SOLD HIM ANOTHER HALF ACRE FOR THE SAME PRICE.
AND THAT'S HOW THAT BECAME ALL COMMERCIAL.
WELL, THE CAR WASH THAT WAS THERE, I DROVE UP THERE TO GET MINE, MY CAR WASHED, AND IT WAS TERRIBLE.
IT WAS POORLY MANAGED, BUT THIS IS MODERN TECHNOLOGY, THE VERY BEST YOU CAN GET ON THE PLANET.
UM, SO PLEASE CONSIDER THAT IF YOU WOULD.
ANYONE ELSE? GOING ONCE, TWICE.
IT IS, UH, 6:42 PM AND THE PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED.
LET ME START THIS, UH, DISCUSSION.
THIS IS A ZONING ISSUE, NOT A CAR WASH ISSUE.
ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO START? GO AHEAD, CLAY.
UM, THERE'S A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
SO, SO SPECIFICALLY YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING DENIAL OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES DUE TO THE FACT THAT IT'S SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL, EVEN THOUGH IT'S REALISTICALLY THE ONLY OFFICE PROFESSIONAL ZONING TYPE ALONG 3 0 0 9.
I'M SORRY, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? YEAH, SO THE, THE, THE, THE ONLY THING THAT, THE MAIN ARGUMENT FOR DENIAL OF THE REQUEST IS THE FACT THAT IT'S SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL, ESSENTIALLY.
AND THERE'S A STORY OF ALL THE OFFICE PROFESSIONAL AND THE COMMERCIAL KIND OF IN THIS AREA.
FOR EXAMPLE, EVEN THIS FM THREE NINE LASER WASH SUBDIVISION THAT'S RIGHT HERE.
UM, THE PDD IS BASED OFF OF OFFICE PROFESSIONAL, BUT IT'S SPECIFICALLY WRITTEN SO THAT IT
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ALLOWS THE JIFFY LUBE LIKE QUICK LOOP CHANGES AND ONLY THAT SPECIFIC USE THAT NS LIKE ALLOWS YEAH.BUT IT'S BASED OFF OF OFFICE PROFESSIONAL, SO IT DOESN'T ALLOW N MS USES.
YEAH, I MEAN I, I THINK THE HARD PART, AT LEAST FOR ME IS THE FACT THAT EVERY OTHER COMMERCIAL PROPERTY ALONG PRE OH OH NINE IS EITHER NS OR GENERAL COMMERCIAL AS YOU GET CLOSER TO 35.
AND ESPECIALLY AS WE START GETTING FURTHER NORTH AND INTO THIS DEER HAVEN SUBDIVISION, THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN VERY ACTIVE WHEN IT COMES INTO COMMERCIAL WITHIN THEIR SUBDIVISION.
UM, US BEFORE YOU'VE COME IN ONTO THIS COMMISSION, THERE WAS A PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE FURTHER UP NORTH AND THE COMMUNITY CAME UP OUT IN ARMS AGAINST IT.
AND WE HEARD THEM LOUD AND CLEARLY, BUT I THINK ANOTHER THING TO, TO POINT OUT, COMMISSIONER WALLACE'S, IF YOU, EVEN IF YOU JUST LOOK AT THE PROPERTIES MM-HMM.
THIS IS ONE OF THE FEW PROPERTIES ON 3 0 0 9 THAT HAS RESIDENTIAL ON A SIDE.
SO THE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES MAKE SENSE IF RESIDENTIAL IS JUST TO THE REAR, IT ACTS LIKE THAT BUFFER BETWEEN 3 0 0 9 AND THE RESIDENTIAL.
BUT THIS PROPERTY IS, IT MAY SEEM LIKE IT'S JUST SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL, BUT THAT IS A KEY PIECE THAT DIFFERENTIATES THIS BEING OFFICE PROFESSIONAL VERSUS THE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES ON THE REST OF 3 0 0 9.
SO LET'S SAY THE OFFERS PROFESSIONAL WAS KEPT.
ARE THERE, CAN YOU DO A CONDITIONAL USE? COULD YOU DO AN OFFERS PROFESSIONAL WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR CAR WASH OR A CONDITIONAL USE FOR SPECIFIC ITEM? SO WE WOULD HAVE TO WRITE THE REWRITE THE UDC FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING Y'ALL WOULD HAVE TO REQUEST IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANT STAFF TO LOOK INTO.
SO YOU'RE STATING NOW THAT WE COULDN'T MAKE A CONDITIONAL USE.
SO I, SO WE COULDN'T DO A CONDITIONAL USE REPORT.
SO CURRENTLY, AS, AS THE UDC IS WRITTEN, NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES IS WHERE AUTOMATIC CAR WASH AUTOMATED IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT.
AND WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT UDC AMENDMENT.
CLAY, I, THAT'S, I THINK THE ANSWER YOU'RE LOOKING FOR RIGHT NOW IS NO.
SO EARLIER YOU SAID THAT THE, UM, EMERGENCY SERVICES DID NOT WANT THIS TO BE, UM, A CAR WASH.
IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, THEY HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THE OVERFLOW YES.
SO, UM, AND THEN THEY, THEY SAID THAT THEY DIDN'T GET THE, I GUESS THE PLANS SO THEY COULD REVIEW THEM.
THE, YEAH, THE CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN WAS NOT SUBMITTED WITH THE APPLICATION.
UM, THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US TONIGHT AS WELL.
THAT WAS NOT PART OF THE ZONE CHANGE APPLICATION.
SO THAT HAS NOT BEEN REVIEWED BY STAFF AND THAT WAS NOT REVIEWED.
AND THAT WAS ALSO SEEN BY US TONIGHT.
SO THIS IS KIND OF LAST MINUTE, WOULD YOU SAY, AND OBVIOUSLY EMERGENCY SERVICES HASN'T LOOKED AT IT EITHER, CORRECT? NO.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS A ZONE CHANGE APPLICATION.
BUT WOULD THERE TYPICALLY BE MORE TIME BETWEEN WHEN YOU SAW IT AND WHEN IT CAME TO THE, UM, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE NEEDS? THE, THE HARD PART HERE AND, AND I, AND I'M GONNA JUMP IN HERE AS THE CHAIRMAN, UH, UH, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT, OR WE SHOULDN'T BE TALKING ABOUT THE CAR WASH.
I WELL, BUT, BUT WE ALL, I WAS TALKING ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT EMERGENCY SERVICES HAD TIME TO REVIEW TO IT SHOULDN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE BECAUSE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS IS NOT PART OF A ZONING REQUEST.
BUT SHE BROUGHT UP THAT WHETHER OR NOT THE EMERGENCY SERVICES HAD HAD HAD TIME TO REVIEW IT AND WHETHER OR NOT THAT WAS PART OF THEIR RECOMMENDATION, OBVIOUSLY THAT WEIGHED INTO THEIR RECOMMENDATION.
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IT WASN'T THAT PART OF THAT RECOMMENDATION, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE EVEN STATED SO.ALL I'M SAYING IS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S COMMENTS ABOUT TRAFFIC ARE INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE ZONING CHANGE.
WHETHER THEY SAW IT THREE WEEKS AT A TIME OR WHETHER THEY'RE JUST SEEING IT TODAY, THAT IS AN APP INAPPROPRIATE COMMENT.
IT'S JUST LIKE, I'M SORRY, YOU, YOU KNOW, IT'S A REALLY NICE PRESENTATION YOU PUT TOGETHER.
BUT IT'S NOT ABOUT THE CAR WASH, IT'S ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES.
IS THAT THE APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THIS LOT? OKAY.
AND UNFORTUNATELY YOU CAN PUT ALL THE DEED RESTRICTIONS AND, AND, AND COVENANTS YOU WANT ON THE PROPERTY.
THE CITY HAS NO ENFORCEMENT AUTHORITY.
WE REALLY NEED TO FIND AN EASIER WAY TO DO THESE.
SO THAT WE CAN TALK ZONING WITHOUT WHAT IT IS THAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY.
I, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD WOULD YOU PUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES STUFF BACK UP THERE AGAIN? SO WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT TONIGHT IS YOU SEE THE LIST OF THINGS THERE THAT IF WE REZONE OR WE DON'T REZONE IT, IF, IF WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO REZONE IT AND CITY COUNCIL REZONES THIS PROPERTY, NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES, ANY ONE OF THOSE THINGS COULD BE BUILT THERE.
SO THE QUESTION IS, IS ARE, ARE, ARE, ARE THOSE THE KINDS OF THINGS WE WOULD LIKE, WE WOULD BE OKAY IF THEY PUT ON THAT PROPERTY? I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WHERE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S COMING FROM.
I LIVE IN SAVANNAH SQUARE AND ALL WE, THE LAST THING WE NEED IS ANOTHER DRIVEWAY ON 3 0 0 9.
UM, BUT THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE TONIGHT.
I LOVE THE PROJECT, IT LOOKS REALLY NICE.
BUT DO, WOULD, WOULD WE WANT TO SEE, UM, AND, AND, AND YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS HAVE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT RIGHT NEXT DOOR THERE, THERE WAS A CAR WASH THERE.
NOW THIS WHOLE THING ABOUT SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL, OKAY.
IT MAY BE A LITTLE UNIQUE THAT NOT ONLY DO THEY HAVE IT BEHIND IT, BUT THEY HAVE IT BESIDE IT.
BUT WE KNEW WE WERE, YOU KNOW, THE CITY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THEY WERE GONNA RUN INTO THIS EVENTUALLY.
WHEN, WHEN, WHEN, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THEY, THEY, THE WAY THEY, THEY ALLOW THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, UM, ALL THE WAY TO THE HO TO THE ROADWAY.
WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA SEE IT UP HERE ON CHURCH PARKWAY.
WELL, NO, BECAUSE ACROSS THE STREET IS OFFICE PROFESSIONAL, BUT THAT OFFICE PROFESSIONAL BACKS UP.
SO I I I'M SORRY TO BE SO ANIMATED ABOUT THIS, BUT IT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A CONTINUING ISSUE WE HAVE WITH THESE ZONING REQUESTS.
IT'S NOT ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT TO BUILD ON IT, IT'S ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S THE CORRECT ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY.
HOW DO YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE WATCHING A JURY TRIAL AND THE, AND THE LAWYER SAYS SOMETHING THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO AND THE, AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE DEFENSE OBJECTS AND THE, AND THE JUDGE SAYS, AND THEN HE SAYS THE JURY WILL DISREGARD.
WELL, SORRY, THEY'VE ALREADY HEARD IT.
I'M SORRY JOHN, BUT I, I I, I NO NEED TO APOLOGIZE.
THIS IS WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.
THIS IS CALLED, UH, DISCOURSE IN A RESPECTFUL MANNER.
I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, I THINK THE APPROPRIATE, IN MY OPINION, ZONING IS R FOUR, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY'RE BUILDING THERE.
AND SO, UM, WHAT I WAS AND WHAT YOU HIT ON AT, AT THE LAST POINT IS THAT THEY ALREADY TOLD US WHAT THEY WANNA DO.
SO FOR ME TO DISREGARD WHAT THEY ALREADY TOLD US NO, I, I UNDERSTAND IS BASICALLY SAYING, CAN YOU PLEASE NOT REMEMBER IT? AND THAT THAT'S NOT THE WAY THE WORLD WORKS.
THEY CAME UP HERE AND DID A PRESENTATION AND SAID, THIS IS WHAT WE WANNA BUILD.
AND I, I APPRECIATE THEY'RE OPEN AND HONEST, UH, SAYING THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
UM, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER OR NOT I LOST MY TRACK OF THOUGHT HERE.
SOMEBODY SAVED ME HERE, JUMP IN THE WATER
YEAH, I, I I THINK PART OF WHAT I STRUGGLED WITH, 'CAUSE I I WROTE A COUPLE THINGS DOWN.
I THINK THIS PROPERTY CAME UP IN MAY, DIDN'T IT? AND WASN'T THERE LIKE 400 PEOPLE IN HERE SAYING NO? OR WAS IT ANOTHER
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PROPERTY? I THINK IT WAS FURTHER DOWN AND IT HAD A DRAINAGE ISSUE AND FLOODING AND ALL THAT.THAT'S WHAT ALL THAT OKAY, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I WROTE.
I WAS LIKE, ISN'T THIS FULL OF FLOODING AREA? BECAUSE YOU DID SAY THAT IT DROPS DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY AND THERE, UH, THERE IS A INCLINE.
UM, YEAH, WELL, YOU KNOW, HERE AGAIN, WOULD YOU WANT TO SEE A MCDONALD'S ON THAT SPOT? WOULD A, WOULD A MCDONALD'S BE APPROPRIATE THERE? IN MY OPINION, I THINK ANY OF THESE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES WOULD FIT WELL IN THAT LOCATION.
I USE IT ALL THE TIME UP AND DOWN.
IT'S NICE TO HAVE THE CONVENIENCE OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
ANY OF THESE, WHAT, WHAT IS DIRECTLY BEHIND THIS PIECE? PROPERTY DIRECTLY BEHIND THIS PROPERTY? MM-HMM.
IT'S ONE HOME AND IT'S, AND THEN THESE, IT'S, IT'S R ONE, IS IT, IS IT PART OF THE, IS IT PART OF THE OTHER RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY THAT'S IN THAT'S TO THE SIDE OF IT.
SO IS IT THE SAME COMMUNITY? SO THIS IS A SEPARATE LIKE UNIT OF DEER HAVEN AND THIS IS ALSO DEER HAVEN, BUT IT'S, IT'S JUST A SEPARATE UNIT OF IT.
SO IT'S JUST, IT'S TWO RESIDENCE AS IT AFFECTS THE ONE THAT OWNS THE CORNER LOT OF DEER HAVEN.
AND, AND THE ONE HOME THAT'S WAY SET BACK OFF TO THE BACK, IS THAT CORRECT? AND A LONG DRIVEWAY.
SO THIS DRIVEWAY BELONGS TO THESE PEOPLE? MM-HMM.
LET'S SEE IF I CAN PULL UP THE BUFFER MAP.
SO ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE WITHIN THE 200 FOOT BUFFER.
AND THESE PEOPLE ALSO AS WELL WITHIN THAT PDD, SO THE PREVIOUS CAR WASH THAT'S NOW THE INSPECTION STATION FOR TAKE FIVE IN, UM, THAT ALSO HAD THOSE RESIDENCES TO THE REAR AND WAS, HAD THE DRIVEWAY.
SO IT WAS ALSO RESIDENTIAL ON THE BACK AND ON THE SIDE THERE.
WELL, AS, AS SHE EXPLAINED EARLIER, SAVANNAH SQUARE, UH, IS A PDD AND, AND THOSE TWO LOTS THAT TAKE FIVE AND THE LASER WASH, THEY ARE PART OF THAT SAVANNAH SQUARE PDD? CORRECT.
AND THAT PDD SPECIFICALLY ALLOWED, UM, OIL CHANGE PLACES AND CAR WASHES.
SO THAT WAS NOT A, THAT WAS NOT SUBJECT TO CITY REVIEW OR APPROVAL.
ONCE THE PDD GOT APPROVED AND THAT ALL WAS DONE, WHAT? WELL, WE MOVED IN IN 89, BUT I THINK THE SUBDIVISION WAS PROBABLY DONE AROUND 85 ISH.
DOES THAT SOUND ABOUT RIGHT? SOMEWHERE IN THERE.
SO, BUT YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN INTERESTING MAP TO LOOK AT BECAUSE, UM, THE RESIDENCE TO THE REAR ISN'T, YOU KNOW, IT JUST BARELY TOUCHES THE 200 FOOT NOTIFICATION BUFFER.
AND THEN YOU REALLY ONLY HAVE ONE RESIDENCE FULLY ON THE SIDE AND THEN ONE ABUTS A CORNER OF THE PROPERTY.
NO, UH, NO RESIDENCE REPLIED TO THE NOTICES.
SO NOT AT THIS TIME, BUT THEY DO HAVE UNTIL THE FRIDAY BEFORE THE FIRST HEARING AT COUNCIL, UM, AT NOON THEN.
THAT DIDN'T SEEM TO MAKE SENSE.
SO WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY HAVE, WHETHER THEY'LL RESPOND OR NOT.
PER UDC WE GIVE THEM UNTIL THE FRIDAY BEFORE THE FIRST HEARING OF COUNSEL TO RESPOND TO THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE.
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WEEK OR TWO TO RESPOND.BUT NOT PRIOR TO US TAKING UP THE ZONING.
WELL ROGER, I THINK SIR, ONE OF THE DIFFERENCES IS HERE IS, IS THIS PROPERTY TAKES ITS ACCESS RIGHT DIRECTLY FROM 3 0 0 9, WHEREAS SOME OF THE, ONE OF THE OTHERS WE LOOKED AT WHERE THE ROOM WAS FULL OF PEOPLE, THE ONLY ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY WAS OFF ANTLER, I BELIEVE.
OR OR NO, NOT ANTLER THE NEXT ONE.
UM, BECAUSE ANTLER THE IS WHERE THE TRAFFIC LIGHT IS SO THAT THE, THE ONLY ACCESS WAS OFF FAWN, WHICH, UM, IF YOU'VE NEVER DRIVEN THROUGH DEER HAVEN, I I I RECOMMEND YOU DO IT.
IT'S UH, UM, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THAT'S BEEN THERE, BUT THE STREETS REALLY DON'T LOOK LIKE CITY STREETS AND, AND UM, YEAH, THAT WAS THE BIG ISSUE.
AND UH, YOU KNOW, UH, HERE WE'RE AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE WE'RE TAKING ACCESS DIRECTLY OFF THREE LEVEL NINE AND THERE'S NO LIGHT THERE.
MAYBE, MAYBE THAT'S, MAYBE THAT'S THE ISSUE.
MAYBE THESE FOLKS AREN'T HOME.
MAYBE THEY'RE OFF TRAVELING SOMEWHERE AND THEY, YOU KNOW, WHO KNOWS WHY THEY'RE NOT HERE TONIGHT? MM-HMM.
I GOTTA TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, ANYBODY ELSE GOT ANYTHING? I'M, I'M KIND OF ON THE FENCE ABOUT THIS ONE.
SO CAN I MAKE A RECOMMENDATION PLEASE? WHO'S, WHO'S TALKING ME SIR JOHN? SURE, GO AHEAD, PUT THE MOTION OUT THERE.
ALRIGHT, I MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO, UH, APPROVE PLZC 2 0 2 4 0 2 1 0 AS WRITTEN SECOND.
ALRIGHT, ONCE AGAIN, UH, REMEMBER THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL AND I HAVE A, UH, A MOTION AND A SECOND TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PLZC 2 2 4 0 2 10.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTES.
I HAVE FIVE AS TWO NAYS THAT MOTION'S APPROVED.
NOW YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU KNOW YOU DON'T YEAH, YOU STILL HAVE TO GO CONVINCE CITY COUNCIL.
UM, NO, I I MEAN I WAS GONNA COMMENT AGAIN, IT IS SO DIFFICULT TO DO THESE BECAUSE THE ISSUE IS THE ZONING NOT THE PROJECT AND WE JUST, WE JUST DON'T SEEM TO BE ABLE TO SEPARATE THOSE TWO.
AND THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A WHILE, YOU, YOU, YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? AND IT JUST, IT IT'S, IT'S REALLY HARD TO DO AND MAYBE WE JUST OUGHTA STOP TRYING.
MAYBE I JUST SHOULD STOP TRYING.
THERE'S FIVE TWO AND I JUST ERASED IT.
I WANTED TO WRITE DOWN WHO, UM, YEAH, ANYWAY, I'M JUST WONDERING HOW MANY CAR WASHES WE NEED IN THIS TOWN.
DO REALIZE THAT CAR WASHES AND LIKE LAUNDROMATS ARE LIKE THE BIGGEST MONEY MAKERS FOR SMALL BUSINESSES? YEAH.
YEAH, BUT DEFINITELY MEAN THEY'RE APPROPRIATE TO BE PUT EVERYWHERE.
ALL WE'RE, WE'RE PAST THAT ONE FOLKS.
YOU, YOU CAN, WE, WE WILL MEET, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE THAT DISCUSSION OUT FRONT IF YOU WANT TO.
WHAT DID WE RUN SOMEBODY OFF
[C. PLSPU20240183 - Hold a public hearing and make a recommendation on a Specific Use Permit to allow a Manufactured / Mobile Home on approximately 2 acres of land, known as 6759 Pfeil Rd, also known as Bexar County Property Identification Number 1296079, City of Schertz, Bexar County, Texas.]
HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND MAKE A RE, LET'S SEE P-L-S-P-U 2 2 4 0 180 3 HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO ALLOW A MANUFACTURED SLASH MOBILE HOME ON APPROXIMATELY TWO ACRES OF LAND KNOWN AS 6 7 5 9 FILE ROAD,[01:05:02]
ALSO KNOWN AS BEXAR COUNTY PROPERTY IDENTIFICATION NUMBER 1 2 9 6 0 7 9.CITY OF CHURCH, BEXAR COUNTY, TEXAS.
WHO'S GONNA TALK TO US ABOUT THIS ONE AND, OKAY, COME ON UP.
A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR APPROXIMATELY TWO ACRES.
TWO ACRES OF LAND 6 7 5 9 F ROAD.
PROPERTY OUTLINED IN GREEN, APPROXIMATELY TWO ACRES.
IT IS LOCATED IN THE APZ TWO AND IT IS CURRENTLY PLATTED AND IT IS PART OF THE EAST CENTRAL VILLAGE UNIT ONE B SUBDIVISION.
IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT AND THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE ALSO ZONED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT AND ARE USED FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES.
ON SEPTEMBER 17TH, WE SENT OUT A TOTAL OF 10 PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES AND AS OF OCTOBER 2ND WE RECEIVED ONE IN OPPOSITION, ZERO IN FAVOR AND ONE NEUTRAL.
ONE SIGN WAS POSTED ON THE PROPERTY BY THE APPLICANT AND IT'LL BE POSTED IN THE SAN ANTONIO EXPRESS BEFORE CITY COUNCIL AND IT WILL BE TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED FOR THE NOVEMBER 12TH, 2024 CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
SO THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING AN SUP TO ALLOW A MANUFACTURED HOME ON APPROXIMATELY TWO ACRES OF LAND ZONE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT KNOWN AS 6 7 5 9 FILE ROAD.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED AND IS PART OF THE EAST CENTRAL VILLAGE UNIT ONE B SUBDIVISION.
AND AS PER UDC SECTION 2158 A SUP IS REQUIRED FOR THE PLACEMENT OF A MANUFACTURED HOME IN SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT RA.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT SPECIFIC USE PERMITS.
WE LOOK TO CRITERIA 21 5 11 D AND I WILL GO THROUGH THESE ONE BY ONE.
SO ONE, THE PROPOSED USE AT THE SPECIFIED LOCATION IS CONSISTENT WITH THE POLICIES EMBODIED IN THE ADOPTED COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN.
SO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED AS RURAL LIVING IN THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND HERE IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WITH THE STAR ON TOP OF IT.
SO RURAL LIVING IS DESCRIBED AS SPARSE DEVELOPMENT, NATURAL LANDSCAPES AND AGRICULTURE ACTIVITY THAT EMPHASIZES COMPATIBILITY WITH JBSA.
SO THE PROPOSED SEP MEETS THIS INTENT OF RURAL LIVING LAND USE DESIGNATION AND IT IS PROPOSING THE PLACEMENT OF A MANUFACTURED HOME ON APPROXIMATELY TWO ACRES OF ALREADY PLATTED LAND THAT IS INTENDED TO BE THEIR MAIN RESIDENCE.
AND THE APPLICANT HAS RECEIVED AN AFFIRMATIVE RECOMMENDATION FROM JBSE FOR THEIR PROPOSED USE, WHICH IS ALSO CONSISTENT WITH THE INTENT OF RURAL LIVING LAND USE DESIGNATION.
SO TWO, THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PURPOSE AND INTENT OF THE APPLICABLE ZONING DISTRICT REGULATIONS.
SO THE PURPOSE AND INTENT OF SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AGRICULTURE IS TO PROVIDE AREAS FOR WHICH THE AGRICULTURAL LAND MAY BE HELD IN USE IN SUCH USE FOR AS LONG AS PRACTICAL AND REASONABLE, AND IN AREAS THAT ARE UNSUITABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE OF PHYSICAL CONSTRAINTS.
AS PER UDC SECTION 2155, THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ZONING DISTRICT AND THE USE IS ALLOWED WITHIN SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT DUE TO THE LOCATION OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WITHIN THE A PC TWO.
THE SUP WAS REVIEWED BY JBSA AND THIS SUP DID RECEIVE AN AFFIRMATIVE RECOMMENDATION FROM JBSA THREE.
THE PROPOSED USE IS COMPATIBLE WITH AND PRESERVES THE CHARACTER AND INTEGRITY OF ADJACENT DEVELOPMENTS AND NEIGHBORHOODS, AND INCLUDES IMPROVEMENTS IN EITHER ONSITE WITHIN PUBLIC RIGHT WAY TO MITIGATE DEVELOPMENT AND RELATED ADVERSE IMPACTS SUCH AS SAFETY, TRAFFIC, NOISE, ODORS, VISUAL NUISANCES, DRAINAGE, OR OTHER SIMILAR ADVERSE EFFECTS TO ADJACENT DEVELOPMENT IN NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO IN THE SURROUNDING AREAS, THERE IS SPARSE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ALONG FOUL ROAD AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO USE A SUBJECT PROPERTY FOR THE SAME USE AS THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS PROPOSING A MANUFACTURED HOME AND A MANUFACTURED HOME REQUIRES AN SEP FOR PLACEMENT WITHIN SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT FOR THE PROPOSED USE DOES NOT GENERATE PEDESTRIAN VERY VEHICULAR TRAFFIC, WHICH WILL BE HAZARDOUS OR CONFLICT WITH THE EXISTING AND ANTICIPATED TRAFFIC IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO AGAIN, THIS PROPOSED USE WILL NOT GENERATE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC THAT CONFLICTS WITH WHAT IS EXISTING AND ANTICIPATED IN THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD 'CAUSE IT WILL ALSO BE A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.
AND THE PROPOSED USE INCORPORATES ROADWAY ADJUSTMENTS, TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES OR MECHANISMS AND ACCESS RESTRICTIONS TO CONTROL TRAFFIC FLOOR DIVERT TRAFFIC AS MAY BE NEEDED TO REDUCE OR ELIMINATE DEVELOPMENT GENERATED TRAFFIC ON NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS.
THE SUBJECT IS ALREADY PLOTTED.
IT DOES NOT INCLUDE ADDITIONAL ROAD
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IMPROVEMENTS.THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE PLACEMENT OF A MANUFACTURED HOME ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
THE PROPOSED USE INCORPORATES FEATURES TO MINIMIZE ADVERSE EFFECTS, INCLUDING VISUAL IMPACTS OF THE PROPOSED USE ON ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
SO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS ZONED RA AND IS ADJACENT TO OTHER RA ZONE PROPERTIES, SO NO ADDITIONAL SCREENING IS REQUIRED PER UDC.
AND IF THE S APPROVED, THE APPLICANT WILL NEED TO SUBMIT ALL REQUIRED SUBSEQUENT DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS TO MEET THE CITY OF SHORT'S DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
WHETHER THE PROPOSED USE MEETS THE STANDARDS OF THE ZONING DISTRICT, OR TO THE EXTENT VARIATIONS FROM SUCH STANDARDS HAVE BEEN REQUESTED THAT SUCH VARIATIONS ARE NECESSARY TO RENDER THE USE COMPATIBLE WITH ADJOINING DEVELOPMENT AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO THIS PROPOSED ELEMENT WILL HAVE TO MEET ALL DIMENSIONAL AND DESIGN REQUIREMENTS OF THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT.
I'LL STIPULATED IN ARTICLE FIVE OF THE UDC, BUT THE APPLICANT IS NOT REQUESTING A ZONE CHANGE AND NO VARIANCES ARE BEING REQUESTED AND THE ZONING IS COMPATIBLE WITH AND MATCHES WITH WHAT IS EXISTING IN THE AREA.
THE PROPOSED USE PROMOTES THE HEALTH SAFEGUARD, GENERAL WELFARE OF THE CITY, AND ORDERLY, EFFICIENT AND HELPFUL DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY.
SO THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT ZONING OF THE GENERAL AREA AND EXISTING LAND USES OF RURAL RESIDENCES ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE PROPOSED MANUFACTURED HOME.
AND ADDITIONALLY, SINCE THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE APZ TWO, THEY WERE REQUIRED TO RECEIVE AN AFFIRMATIVE RECOMMENDATION OF THE PROPOSED USE FROM JBSA AND THE CITY OF CHUTS FIRE EMS AND POLICE DEPARTMENTS HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED OF THE SEP REQUESTS AND HAVE NOT PROVIDED OBJECTIONS TO THIS REQUEST.
NINE KNOW APPLICATIONS MADE ON THIS PROVISION WILL RECEIVE FINAL APPROVAL UNTIL ALL BACK TAXES O TO THE CITY HAVE BEEN PAID IN FULL.
THIS IS NOT IMPACT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND 10 OTHER CRITERIA, WHICH AT THE DISCRETION OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL ARE DEEMED RELEVANT AND IMPORTANT IN THE CONSIDERATION OF THE SEP.
AND AGAIN, AT THIS TIME, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL HAVE NOT PROVIDED ADDITIONAL CRITERIA FOR CONSIDERATION OF THIS SCP.
SO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF P-L-S-P-U 2 2 4 0 180 3 TO DO THE PROPOSED USE BEING CONSISTENT WITH THE POLICIES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND BEING COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA.
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.
IT IS, UM, 7:11 PM THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME, WE'LL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC INPUT.
ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THIS TOPIC IS WELCOME TO STEP FORWARD? NO ONE.
LIKE NOBODY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW NOBODY.
IT IS, UH, 7:12 PM AND THE PUBLIC INPUT IS CLOSED.
UM, LET ME START OFF IF YOU JUST WITH A COUPLE OF GENERAL QUESTIONS.
UM, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FRAME THE QUESTION AND, UH, SO IF THEY WANT TO USE A, AND, AND AGAIN, COME, YOU KNOW, MANUFACTURED HOMES ARE NOT LIKE THEY WERE 20 YEARS AGO FOR, FOR ONE, BUT IT'S, UM, THE, WHAT I'M WRESTLING WITH HERE IS, UH, IF IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR A MANUFACTURED HOME TO BE USED, WHY DOES IT REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT? IF, IF, IF THE CITY IS OKAY WITH MANUFACTURED HOMES IN RESIDENCE FOR RESIDENTIAL USE, WHY DOES IT REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT? I MEAN, I SEE, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M SITTING HERE AND, AND I'M READING THIS, YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING AT THIS ONE REPLY SO FAR, UH, FROM THE PUBLIC AND THEY'RE OPPOSED.
AND, AND, AND IT'S A VERY GOOD, VERY GOOD POINT.
IF WE MAKE EXCEPTIONS, THEN WHERE DOES IT END? AT SOME POINT, THE ZONING CODES BECOME INEFFECTIVE.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND.
WHEN DOES IT BECOME A MOBILE HOME PARK? HOW, HOW MANY, HOW MANY DO WE HAVE TO HAVE BEFORE IT? WE ZONE IT AS A MOBILE HOME PARK
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RATHER THAN R TWO OR, I MEAN, BUT IT, IT, I'D HAVE TO LOOK, BUT I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MANUFACTURED HOME PARK SUBDIVISION, IT'S INTENDED FOR MULTIPLE HOMES ON ONE PROPERTY, RIGHT.WHERE THIS IS DIFFERENT, IT'S ONE LARGE LOT.
THEY'RE LOOKING TO PUT ONE HOME ON THAT PROPERTY.
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS IT'S A MANUFACTURED HOME VERSUS, YOU KNOW, A A A STANDARD SINGLE FAMILY STICK-BUILT HOME.
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, I PERSONALLY KNOW, UM, A A A COUPLE OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN QUOTE MANUFACTURED HOMES, AND YOU CAN'T TELL 'EM IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW YOU, YOU LOOKING AT IT AND EVEN WALKING INTO IT, YOU CAN'T TELL IT WAS NOT SITE BUILT.
BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S TRUE OF ALL OF THEM.
SAY, I MEAN, THEY COULD GO OUT AND BUY THEMSELVES A, A, YOU KNOW, A 20-YEAR-OLD SECONDHAND MOBILE HOME AND DRAG IT OUT THERE AND, YOU KNOW, IIII DON'T KNOW.
I I, I GUESS I'M FISHING FOR SOME HELP HERE, GUYS.
WHO, UH, WELL, I HAVE A QUESTION.
CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE BASE ZONING PAGE? I'M SORRY.
I MEAN, THE ONLY COMMENT I HAD IS IF WE'RE, WE WERE JUST TOLD NOT TO CONSIDER THE CAR WASH WHEN THINKING ABOUT THE ZONING.
SO WE SHOULDN'T CONSIDER THE STRUCTURE WHEN THINKING ABOUT THE MOBILE HOME.
WELL, IT A LITTLE, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT HERE BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS, THIS IS A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.
SO IT IS ABOUT THE, THE ZONING IS ALREADY IN PLACE.
THIS IS ABOUT A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO ALLOW A SPECIFIC PROJECT.
SO THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT, BUT I THINK THE, THE CLARIFICATION IS THAT YES, YOU'RE, FOR THIS, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS A MANUFACTURED HOME APPROPRIATE, NOT THE QUALITY CORRECT.
OR HOW THE AGE AND THE MANUFACTURING HOME.
BUT IN GENERAL, CAN A MANUFACTURED HOME BE APPROPRIATE THERE? CORRECT.
AND A LARGE RESIDENTIAL, MOSTLY AGRICULTURAL LOT.
UH, YOU KNOW, AND I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I, I HAVEN'T BEEN DOWN FILE ROAD IN YEARS.
UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS ACTIVELY WORKING IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, I WAS OUT THERE THREE, FOUR TIMES A MONTH.
SO I REALLY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT, WHAT IT'S OUT THERE.
BUT YOU, YOU KNOW, UM, LAST TIME I DROVE DOWN FILE ROAD, WHAT YOU FIND ARE, UH, A COLLECTION OF, UM, SOME FOLKS HAVE HAVE BUILT SOME REALLY NICE, UH, HOMES OUT THERE.
AND, UH, OTHER THINGS HAVE BEEN OUT THERE FOR A LONG TIME AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UH, OLD, UH, FARMING HOMESTEADS.
SO IT, IT'S KIND OF A, THERE'S A WORD FOR IT.
WHY CAN'T I FIND, WHY CAN'T I FIND THAT WORD? HMM.
MIXED WITH THAT? WELL, NO, THERE'S A, UH, THERE'S A TERM FOR A COLLECTION OF THINGS THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY THE SAME.
AND YOU KNOW, I I, I DO WANNA SAY THAT STAFF DID A SITE VISIT OUT THERE, AND YOU ARE CORRECT THAT IT IS A, A MIXED SALAD OF DEVELOPMENT.
THERE, THERE IS A MIX OF MANUFACTURED HOMES THAT ARE EXISTING OUT THERE IN WHAT YOU CALL TRADITIONALLY BUILT HOMES BECAUSE JUST THROUGH GOOGLE AERIALS ROOFS LOOK LIKE ROOFS AND THEY ALL LOOK THE SAME.
NOW, UP ON THE, UP ON THE NORTHERN END THERE, WHERE IT, WHERE IT MEETS, WHAT IS THAT? THAT RUNS ACROSS THERE? UM, NOT LOWER S TRAINER HALE.
UM, OUR MUNICIPAL JUDGE USED TO LIVE IN A, IN A MOBILE HOME OUT THERE ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY.
SO, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING, RODERICK? EXCUSE ME? YES.
I WAS JUST WONDERING, HAVE WE GIVEN ANY THOUGHT TO, TO WHAT WE WANT THESE AREAS TO BE OR TO LOOK LIKE, YOU KNOW, AND SO I'M THINKING, YOU KNOW, AS WE CONSIDER ALL THESE THINGS, IT, IT COMES BACK TO WHAT DOES THE CITY ACTUALLY ALLOW WITHIN THESE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS? AND IT'S, IT'S LIKE WE PROMOTE ECLECTIC AND, YOU KNOW, AND I'M NOT SURE THAT THERE'S REALLY ANY
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CONSISTENCY, RIGHT? SO WHETHER I AGREE WITH SOMETHING OR NOT, IF IT'S CONSISTENT, I CAN LIVE WITH CONSISTENT.WHAT, WHAT, WHAT CAUSES ME TO STRUGGLE IS WHEN TODAY, THIS WEEK SHARE IT MIGHT BE ONE THING.
THEN WE HAVE SOME COMMISSIONERS CHANGE, AND NEXT YEAR, YOU KNOW, THEY THINK DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S NO STANDARD.
SO, UH, I'M THINKING, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TWO ACRES OF LAND AND, YOU KNOW, SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL, AGRICULTURAL, WELL, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE THAT EVEN GOES TOGETHER QUITE HONESTLY.
BUT, SO THAT'S THE CHALLENGE FOR, FOR ME, I THINK IF YOU WANT CONSISTENT, YOU WOULD BE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD OR AN HOA, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
IF YOU'RE GONNA BUY SOMETHING RURAL, YOUR DESIRE IS TO LIVE KIND OF AWAY FROM THE CONSISTENT LOOK OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AND UNFORTUNATELY IN THIS DAY AND TIME, IT IS VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE TO BUILD IN OUR ECONOMY.
AND SO I THINK PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR ALTERNATIVES TO PUT THAT RESIDENCE AND HAVE SOME SPACE BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE WANTING TO BE IN A MORE RURAL OR PRIVATE SETTING.
SO I DON'T REALLY THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE A STANDARD, UM, IN MORE RURAL AREAS.
AND IT IS THE DESIRE OF THE HOMEOWNER TO BE, UM, IN A PLACE WHERE IT'S MORE PRIVATE AND IT'S NOT THE NORM.
IT'S, AND IT'S JUST TOO EXPENSIVE, UH, TO BUILD RIGHT NOW.
AND SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, A MANUFACTURED HOME OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT ALLOWS SOMEONE TO HAVE THOSE, THAT PRIVACY AND WHAT THEY WANT AND WHAT THEY PURCHASE THAT PIECE OF LAND FOR IS TO, TO LIVE THERE AND ENJOY LIFE.
AND IF THAT MEANS A MANUFACTURED HOME IN THIS DAY AND AGE, THEY ARE VERY, VERY NICE.
AND IT IS HARD TO TELL SOMETIMES THE DIFFERENCE ONCE YOU GO INSIDE THEM.
AND BEING IN THE REAL ESTATE INDUSTRY FOR ALMOST 18 YEARS, I CAN TELL YOU, UM, IT IS SO EXPENSIVE TO PURCHASE AND MOBILE HOMES CAN ONLY BE MOVED ONCE IN ORDER TO OBTAIN FINANCING.
SO THE LIKELIHOOD OF GETTING SOMETHING THAT'S 20 YEARS OLD MOVED OVER THERE IS VERY MINIMAL.
IT'LL LIKELY BE SOMETHING THAT'S BRAND NEW THAT GETS MOVED THERE TO THE LOT BECAUSE THE NEXT TIME THEY MOVE IT, THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO GET IT FINANCED FOR A NEW BUYER.
SO JUST SOME THINGS TO CONSIDER.
THERE'S THREE BUILDINGS IN THE BACK.
WHAT IS THAT RIGHT NOW? I'M UNSURE, SIR.
SO THOSE, THOSE AREN'T HOMES, THOSE ARE MAYBE CONEXES OR SOMETHING, OR THEY KIND OF LOOK LIKE 'EM NOW, RIGHT.
BUT MAYBE A CONEX FROM THE TOP, LIKE A STORAGE CONTAINER.
IF THEY'RE THERE WHEN THEY PLACE THE MANUFACTURED HOME, 'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO PULL A PERMIT TO PLACE THE MANUFACTURED HOME.
THE BUILDING INSPECTOR THAT GO, THAT GOES OUT THERE IS GONNA TELL 'EM TO REMOVE IT.
AND IT, AND THEN THE, THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS FOR, IT SAYS A MANUFACTURED HOME.
SO IT'S GONNA SAY ONE OR A, SO IN THE CITY OF SHIRTS, RIGHT? YOU COULD HAVE A ONE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOME.
YOU CAN HAVE ONE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE, UH, PER PROPERTY.
WE VIEW THAT VERSUS WHETHER IT'S A MANUFACTURED HOME OR IF IT'S A STANDARD STICK BUILT HOME, IT'S ONE HOME.
MY COMMENT WOULD BE SEVEN A, WE CAN REQUEST TO PUT SOMETHING ON OUR AGENDA.
WHY DON'T WE REQUEST TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL THAT THEY TAKE AWAY THE REQUIREMENT FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A MANUFACTURED HOME.
RICHARD, I THINK THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A MANUFACTURED HOME IN THIS RESIDENTIAL AREA AND A MANUFACTURED HOME IN CROSS MINE OR WOODBRIDGE OR SAVANNAH SQUARE.
SO I, I THINK IF WE MAKE A CHANGE LIKE THAT, THAT THAT WOULD OPEN THE DOOR TO ALL KINDS OF STUFF.
UH, I, I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH ONE OUT THIS WAY, BUT I, I'D HAVE A COUPLE OF MORE QUESTIONS.
ARE, WERE YOU DONE? CAN I, CAN I, OKAY.
I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH, WHERE IS IT? EAST? WHAT IS IT? EAST CENTRAL, EAST CENTRAL VILLAGE.
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UNIT ONE.BE, IT'S A VERY, VERY OLD SUBDIVISION, SIR.
LIKE, CAN YOU, CAN YOU SHOW IT BETTER ON A MAP THAN, THAN THIS THING? UH, AND DO THEY HAVE ANY COVENANTS? DO THEY HAVE ANY, IS IT AN HOA, IS IT ANY GUIDELINES OR STANDARDS OR ANYTHING? IT'S JUST A SUBDIVISION.
IT'S JUST A LOT, A LEGAL LOT OF RECORD.
THERE'S NO HOA, THERE'S NO, OKAY.
THIS IS OLD FARM COUNTRY OUT HERE.
AND THIS IS APZ TWO, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN? WHAT IS PC TWO? AND, AND TO ANSWER ONE OF YOUR QUESTIONS, ROD, THIS IS, UM, THIS IS WHAT THE EAST SIDE OF 1518 USED TO LOOK LIKE, UM, WITH, UM, E EVEN, NOT EVEN NOT SO MANY LOTS.
UM, BUT IT WAS THE SAME TYPE OF ENVIRONMENT.
AND THEN, AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE SEEING, UM, THE DEVELOPERS BUYING UP THE, THE LARGE, LARGE AREAS AND PUTTING IN SUBDIVISIONS.
WHAT'S, WHAT'S KEEPING THEM FROM DOING IT HERE, UM, IS THIS IS AS YOU CAN SEE, AND AS I SAID, THERE'S SOME VERY NICE HOMES IN HERE.
UM, IS REALLY THE, THE BEING IN THE A PZ, IT'S, UH, THE CITY IS STRUGGLING WITH WHAT TO DO OUT THERE AND, AND KEEP RANDOLPH HAPPY.
UM, I GUESS A BETTER EXAMPLE WOULD BE SCHAEFER ROAD.
IF, IF YOU GO OUT 15, 18 AND HANG A LEFT ON SCHAEFER AND DRIVE BACK THROUGH THERE, THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE.
IT'S THE SAME, SAME TYPE OF, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S JUST OLD FARM COUNTRY.
DID YOU REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS? DID YOU GET YOUR OTHER ONE ANSWERED, RICHARD? NO, I, I WAS GONNA ASK IT.
YOU SAID YOU MADE A FIELD TRIP OUT THERE? MM-HMM,
AND, AND REPEAT WHAT YOU SAID AGAIN.
WHAT WAS IT WHEN YOU, WHAT WAS YOUR IMPRESSION WHEN YOU WENT OUT THERE? DOES IT MAKE SALAD?
ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS A, UM, RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL, DENIAL, OR APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS FOR, UH, SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.
PICK A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, P-L-S-P-U 2 0 2 4 0 180 3.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PPL LSPU 2 24 0 180 3.
IS THERE ANY OTHER FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? IF NOT, PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
WE HAVE SEVEN AYES AND NONE OPPOSED.
SO AFTER ALL OF THAT DISCUSSION AND ALL OF THAT HEARTACHE AND HEADACHE AND
WELL, I GUESS SOME OF US JUST LIKE TO TALK
YOU CAN REST FOR A WHILE 'CAUSE I'M GONNA TALK NOW.
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TO FIVE D PL UDC 2 24 0 2 4 3.HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING WORKSHOP AND DISCUSSION AND, AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON AMENDMENTS TO THE PUBLIC WORKS DESIGN GUIDE.
KATHY, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.
UH, KATHY WOODLEY, CITY ENGINEER.
UH, SO I'LL START OUT BY SAYING THAT THE PUB PUBLIC WORKS SPECIFICATIONS MANUAL IS REFERENCED IN THE UDC.
UH, IT'S MADE PART OF THE CODE BY REFERENCE, AND IT'S ACTUALLY MADE UP OF THREE DIFFERENT, UH, DOCUMENTS.
THE FIRST IS THE PUBLIC WORKS DESIGN GUIDE, WHICH WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THIS EVENING,
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UH, THAT ESTABLISHES THE STANDARD PRINCIPLES, CRITERIA AND PRACTICES FOR THE DESIGN OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND TO PROTECT THE, AND PRESERVE THE PUBLIC WELFARE.NEXT IS THE TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS.
THAT'S ABOUT A THOUSAND PAGES OF TECHNICAL, UM, DETAILS IN WORDS, UH, THAT IDENTIFY THE SPECIFIC MATERIAL AND WORKMANSHIP REQUIREMENTS OF PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS.
AND THEN THE LAST ARE STANDARD CONSTRUCTION DETAILS, WHICH ARE OUR GRAPHIC REPRESENTATIONS OF, UH, PARTICULAR INSTALLATION ELEMENTS OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO, UH, REGARDING THE PUBLIC WORKS DESIGN GUIDE, THIS IS OUR FIRST FORMAL UPDATE SINCE 2016.
UH, IT INCLUDES, UH, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF CLEANUP OF TYPOS AND INCONSISTENCIES WITHIN ITSELF.
AND, UH, COMPARED TO OTHER DOCUMENTS, UH, IT INCLUDES CLARIFICATION OF VAGUE GUIDANCE, UH, AND THE ESTABLISHMENT OF INCREASED STANDARDS FOR HIGHER QUALITY AND MORE SUSTAINABLE INFRASTRUCTURE.
UH, SO WHAT I'M GONNA DO NOW, UNFORTUNATELY ISN'T SUPER EXCITING, BUT I'M GONNA RUN THROUGH, UM, THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE CHANGES TO THE DOCUMENT.
UM, SOME OF IT IS QUITE TECHNICAL, UM, A LOT OF IT ISN'T.
UM, AND, UH, I ALSO WILL BRING ATTENTION TO THE ITEMS THAT WERE CHANGING THAT, UH, WE EXPECTED WHEN WE STARTED THIS TO GET A LOT OF PUSHBACK FROM THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY ABOUT CERTAIN STANDARDS THAT WE'RE CHANGING BECAUSE IT WILL INCREASE THE COST OF DEVELOPMENT IN SOME CASES, UM, JUST BECAUSE OF THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION, UH, AND, AND THE INCREASED STANDARDS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE, UH, LOOKING TO ADOPT.
UM, WE, I WILL SAY THAT WE DIDN'T GET A TON OF PUSHBACK.
WE, WE GOT SOME, UH, WE ALSO GOT SOME COMPLIMENTS FROM SOME OF OUR, OUR DESIGN ENGINEERS INDICATING THESE ARE, ARE, UM, WELCOME, UH, CHANGES TO PROMOTE BETTER, BETTER INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, UH, BUT IN ANY CASE, I WANTED TO SORT OF HIGHLIGHT, OKAY, THESE ARE THE ONES THAT WE RECOGNIZE WE'RE ASKING FOR SOMETHING MORE THAN WHAT WE'VE GOT.
WE DO UNDERSTAND IT WILL COST A BIT MORE, BUT WE BELIEVE IN THE LONG RUN IT'S BETTER FOR THE CITIZENS.
UH, IT WILL SAVE IN MAINTENANCE COSTS AND RESOURCES FOR THE CITY.
UH, SO WITH THAT SECTION ONE GENERAL, WE CLARIFIED THE APPLICABILITY OF THE DESIGN STANDARDS TO PUBLIC AND PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT SECTION TWO.
UH, WE UPDATED THE SUBMISSION OF PLANS SECTION TO REFLECT DIGITAL SUBMITTALS.
WE ADDED A REQUIREMENT OF, UH, IN FACT THIS WASN'T AN ADDED REQUIREMENT, BUT IT WAS A RELOCATED REQUIREMENT FROM ANOTHER SECTION TO HAVE ENGINEERED PLANS FOR RETAINING WALLS.
UH, AND WE ADDED THE REQUIREMENT OF PROFILES OF 12 INCH WATER MAINS, WHICH WERE PREVIOUSLY ONLY REQUIRED FOR 16 INCHES AND GREATER.
SO THAT'S NOT REALLY A DESIGN STANDARD CHANGE, IT'S MORE JUST A, WHEN YOU'RE PREPARING YOUR DOCUMENTS, WE WANNA SEE, UM, PROFILES OF THE SMALLER SIZE WATER MAINS.
ALRIGHT, NOW WE GET INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE MEAT OF THE, OF THE, UM, DESIGN STANDARDS.
SO SECTION THREE IS ABOUT STREETS.
UH, IN THE PAVEMENT DESIGN SECTION, UH, WE INCREASED PAVEMENT DESIGN PARAMETERS RELATED TO LOADING AND STRUCTURAL NUMBERS.
THAT'S, UH, SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN A LONG TIME COMING.
OUR STREETS FAIL FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS, UH, NOT ONLY BECAUSE OUR STRUCTURAL, UH, REQUIREMENTS AND LOADING, UH, WERE SOMEWHAT OUTDATED, BUT ALSO, UM, SUBGRADE ISSUES AND, AND A VARIETY OF THINGS.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID TO, TO, UM, ENHANCE OUR DESIGN IS TO INCREASE THE STRUCTURAL NUMBERS AND LOADING REQUIREMENTS.
WE REMOVED THE PREFERENCE AGAINST THE USE OF LYME FOR SUBGRADE STABILIZATION FOR MANY YEARS.
UH, WE DID NOT PERMIT THAT HERE IN THE CITY OF SHEZ, BUT WE ARE GOING TO ALLOW THAT AGAIN, WE FEEL IT IS AN APPROPRIATE, UM, TECHNOLOGY.
UH, AS FAR AS STREET LAYOUTS, WE REVISED SPECIFICATIONS INCLUDING THE NOMENCLATURE AND RIGHT OF WAY PAVEMENT WIDTHS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
UM, WE ADJUSTED SEVERAL TABLES TO, UH, INCREASE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE PAVEMENT SLOPES.
SO THAT'S, THE TABLES ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE THOSE SLOPES SHOWN IN THEM, BUT THIS IS ONE OF THE BIG ONES.
SO OUR, OUR CURRENT STANDARD IS A HALF A PERCENT, A HALF A PERCENT IS INCREDIBLY FLAT.
UH, WE'RE, WE'RE STILL PLANNING TO ALLOW THAT FOR CONCRETE PAVEMENT, WHICH CAN BE CONSTRUCTED, UH, AT A LOWER SLOPE, BUT IT IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO CONSTRUCT ASPHALT AT A HALF A PERCENT SLOPE AND BE VERY CONSISTENT WITH IT.
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YOU'LL NOTICE AFTER RAINS THERE ARE BIRD BATHS AND PAVEMENTS, EVEN IN BRAND NEW SUBDIVISIONS.DRAIN WATER RUNS WHERE IT'S SUPPOSED TO RUN.
IT'S, IT'S, EVEN IF YOU HAVE A FANTASTIC CONTRACTOR, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MINOR DIPS.
UH, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO GET THAT, THAT DRAINAGE.
THE REASON IT'S IMPORTANT TO GET THE DRAINAGE ISN'T JUST TO KEEP THE WATER FLOWING DOWN THE STREET, BUT IT'S TO KEEP THE WATER FROM SITTING IN THE STREET.
MINOR CRACKS IN THE STREET, WATER GETS INTO THE BASE OF THE STREET, GETS INTO THE SUBGRADE, THE SUBGRADE CAUSES MOTION OF THE STREET, IT CRACKS FURTHER FURTHER FAILURE, FAILURE, FAILURE.
THIS IS A MASSIVE PROBLEM IN THE CITY, AND WE BELIEVE THAT HAVING STEEPER SLOPES WILL ALLOW THE DRAINAGE TO OCCUR MORE EFFICIENTLY AND KEEP FROM SITTING IN THE, UM, IN THESE, UH, PONDING AREAS AND BE MORE CONSTRUCTABLE.
WE ADDED A LIMITATION OF RESPONSIBILITY OF ROADWAY, DEDICATION AND PAVEMENT BASED ON LIMITATION OF CURRENT STATE STATUTE.
THE, UH, LEGISLATURE CHANGED LAST SEPTEMBER, UM, THAT WE ARE NOT ABLE TO REQUIRE DEDICATION OF ROADWAY UNDER CER UNLESS CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES EXIST.
UH, WE ADDED A REFERENCE TO MULTI-USE PATH, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, CAME INTO BEING WITH THE MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLAN, THAT CERTAIN CLASSES OF STREETS REQUIRE A SIDEWALK ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET, MULTI-USE PATH ON THE OTHER.
UH, WE INCREASED THE STRENGTH OF CONCRETE FOR SIDEWALKS AND ALLEYS AND REMOVED PROVISIONS RELATED TO OVERHEAD UTILITIES AND ALLEYS.
WE, UH, REMOVED A REFERENCE TO THE USE OF GEOGRID AS A MITIGATION TECHNIQUE FOR SOILS WITH HIGH PLASTICITY BECAUSE WE DON'T FEEL THAT'S REALLY AN APPROPRIATE, UH, METHOD FOR, UM, DEALING WITH THOSE SOILS.
UH, WE WANNA SEE OTHER, UH, OTHER METHODOLOGIES USED SUCH AS, UM, MOISTURE CONDITIONING, UH, CEMENT STABILIZATION, OR LIME STABILIZATION.
WE ALSO INCREASED REQUIRED TESTING FREQUENCY FOR ROADWAY CONSTRUCTION.
SO INCREASED TESTING FREQUENCY, OF COURSE, WILL BE A HIGHER COST.
YOU GET SOME COMPLAINTS, BUT TRUTHFULLY, IT IS A VERY NOMINAL COST IN THE BIG PICTURE OF THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, UH, OF CONSTRUCTION COST FOR ROADWAY CONSTRUCTION.
MOVING ON TO OUR STORM DRAINAGE REQUIREMENTS, UH, WE QUOTE CLARIFIED DESIGN FREQUENCY REQUIREMENTS.
WE ADDED EXPLICIT REQUIREMENT FOR STORMWATER DISCHARGE TO MIMIC EXISTING OR PRE-DEVELOPED FLOW CHARACTERISTICS SO AS NOT TO CAUSE ADVERSE IMPACT TO DOWNSTREAM PROPERTY.
WHAT HAPPENS, UH, AND IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT FOR US TO ENFORCE IT, UH, IN SOME CASES WE DO HAVE A REQUIREMENT THAT DEVELOPMENT, UH, CANNOT ALLOW FLOW RATES IN EXCESS OF PRE-DEVELOPED CONDITIONS AFTER DEVELOPMENT.
BUT A LOT OF TIMES WHAT'LL HAPPEN IS THEY'LL PUT A DETENTION BASIN IN FOR THAT.
THAT'S A, A COMMON COMMON THING.
THEY'LL CONTROL THE FLOW RATES.
BUT WHAT HAPPENS IS, PREVIOUSLY IT SHEET, THE WATER SHEET FLOWED ACROSS, KINDA USING MY ARM TO DESCRIBE THAT, UH, SHEET FLOWED ACROSS THE PROPERTY LINE.
THEY COLLECT ALL THE WATER IN A DETENTION POND AND DETE DISCHARGES AS A POINT SOURCE.
SO PREVIOUSLY YOU HAD ALL THIS WATER SPREAD OUT OVER A WIDE AREA.
NOW IT'S POINT SOURCE CAUSES PROBLEMS DOWNSTREAM.
AND WE HAD A HARD TIME ENFORCING THE FACT THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE CHANGING CONDITIONS.
WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING THAT SAID YOU CAN'T CHANGE THOSE FLOW CHARACTERISTICS.
SO NOW WE WILL, UH, WE ADDED STRONGER ENCOURAGEMENT OF PROVISION FOR POST-CONSTRUCTION, WATER QUALITY BMPS, AND REQUIREMENT OF CONSIDERATION FOR FUTURE RETROFIT OF FACILITY TO MEET FUTURE WATER QUALITY STANDARDS.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY TEETH THERE, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO PUT A SEED IN FOLKS' HEADS THAT WE'RE STARTING TO LOOK AT THOSE ENVIRONMENTAL, UM, WATER QUALITY, UH, SITUATIONS THAT WE WILL BE FACING AS WE GROW.
AND, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL CRITERIA FOR OUR MS FOUR, OUR, UH, MUNICIPAL SEPARATE STORM SEWER, UH, REQUIREMENTS BECOME ACTUALLY, UM, POLLUTANT BASED AND WE HAVE TO DO SAMPLING AND WE HAVE TO CLEAN THE WATER.
AND SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE WATER QUALITY STANDARDS ONE OF THESE DAYS.
SO THIS IS JUST STARTING, STARTING THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT.
WE ADDED A STATEMENT DISALLOWING THE USE OF A PARTICULAR METHOD FOR COMPUTING STORMWATER RUNOFF THAT IS NOT, UH, PARTICULARLY APPROPRIATE, RE REDUCED THE SIZE OF A DRAINAGE
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AREA, CONSIDERED SMALL FROM 200 TO 50 ACRES AND DISALLOWED THE USE OF THE RATIONALE METHOD FOR PEAK FLOW CALCULATION IF THE TIME OF CONCENTRATION IS GREATER THAN 20 MINUTES.UH, WE REMOVED A REFERENCE TO CITY MAINTAINED HYDROLOGIC AND HYDRAULIC MODELS BECAUSE WE DO NOT MAINTAIN THEM.
UH, WE SPECIFIED MINIMUM TOTAL TIME OF CONCENTRATION AS FIVE MINUTES, AND WE REDUCED THE MAXIMUM DISTANCE ALLOWABLE FOR THE TIME OF SHEET FLOW AND TIME OF CONCENTRATION CALCULATIONS FROM 300 TO 100 FEET.
UM, AND THIS IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME, UH, PRESENTATION THAT WE, WE DID A WORKSHOP WITH COUNCIL, BUT WE ALSO REDID A, A COUPLE SESSIONS WHERE WE REACHED OUT TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY AND THEIR ENGINEERS AND, AND WENT THROUGH IT WITH THEM.
SO SOME OF THESE NUMBERS MAY NOT REALLY MEAN A WHOLE LOT TO YOU, BUT IT, IT MEANS SOMETHING TO THE ENGINEER WHO'S DESIGNING THE, THE FACILITIES.
UH, AND THESE MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT HARDER FOR THEM.
UH, IT MAKES THEIR DESIGNS MORE CONSERVATIVE.
IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING AND THERE'S A UNDERSTOOD, UH, ALRIGHT.
SO, UH, A BIG ONE AND I I I PUT IT IN THE BOLD BECAUSE IT WILL COST MORE.
IT'S A HIGHER STANDARD, BUT IT'S ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.
WE ADOPTED THE NOAA ATLAS 14 PRECIPITATION FREQUENCY DATA FOR STORMWATER RUNOFF CALCULATIONS.
AND THAT'S MOVING US A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO DEALING WITH THE STORM EVENTS THAT WE'RE STARTING TO SEE MORE INTENSE RAIN, MORE WATER IN A SHORTER PERIOD OF TIME.
SO, UH, THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT ONE.
UH, WE INCREASED DESIGN LOADING OF CROSSINGS, CULVERTS, AND BRIDGES TO HS 25.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT STRONGER THAN, THAN THE OLD STANDARD.
WE INCREASED FREEBOARD DEPTHS OF REQUIRED, UH, FREEBOARD DEPTH REQUIRED FOR CHANNELS BETWEEN FIVE AND 10 FEET.
USED TO BE, UM, I THINK 10% OF THE DESIGN FLOW OF THE WATER, AND WE INCREASED IT TO A FOOT.
WE DECREASED ALLOWABLE EARTH AND CHANNEL SIDE SLOPES FROM THREE TO ONE, TO FOUR TO ONE.
UH, AND THAT IS REALLY A MAINTENANCE AND SAFETY ISSUE.
UH, THREE TO ONE IS INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT TO MAINTAIN, UH, PARTICULARLY FOR MOWING.
UM, LARRY BUSH IS, IS IN THE BACK.
UM, HIS GUYS HAVE TURNED OVER MANY TRACTORS.
SO, UH,
UH, WE DECREASED CHANNEL SIDE SLOPE ALLOWANCE FOR RAILING TO BE REQUIRED FROM TWO TO ONE TO THREE TO ONE FOR CHANNEL DEPTHS GREATER THAN TWO FEET.
THAT'S JUST ANOTHER ENHANCED SAFETY ISSUE.
UH, WE DECREASED MINIMUM BOTTOM WIDTHS OF EARTH AND CHANNEL REQUIRING A CONCRETE TRICKLE CHANNEL FROM 12 TO EIGHT FEET.
UH, AND THOSE ARE ALL IN, IN BLUE BECAUSE THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WILL COST THE DEVELOPER A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY, UM, TAKE UP A LITTLE BIT MORE SPACE.
BUT, UM, BUT THEY'RE, UH, NECESSARY FOR, UH, ENHANCED SAFETY IN MOST CASES.
IN THIS, IN, UH, THIS SECTION, WE ADDED A REQUIREMENT OF ACCESS MANHOLES AT ALL STORM SEWER JUNCTIONS.
WE ADDED CONTROL OF THE TWO YEAR FREQUENCY EVENT TO DETENTION FACILITY DESIGN.
I'M KIND OF EXCITED ABOUT THIS ONE, AND I ALWAYS SAY, IF I COULD REQUIRE THE SIX MONTHS FREQUENCY EVENT, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD REQUIRE.
WHAT HAPPENS IS A DETENTION POND IS DESIGNED TO CONTROL CERTAIN FREQUENCIES OF STORMS. AND A 100 YEAR FREQUENCY STORM, OF COURSE, IS THE, THE, THE MASSIVE STORM THAT HAS A 1% CHANCE IN ANY, UM, GIVEN YEAR OF OCCURRING.
BUT THE DETENTION POND DOESN'T DO ANYTHING TO CONTROL THAT RUNOFF FROM A TWO YEAR STORM, WHICH HAS A, UM, 5% CHANCE.
I REALLY NEED TO GET MY MATH RIGHT BEFORE I COME IN HERE.
I DO THIS EVERY TIME, IN ANY CASE, EVERY TWO YEARS, ESSENTIALLY.
IT'S A, IT'S A, A BIG, BIG STORM, BUT IT HAPPENS MUCH MORE FREQUENTLY.
UM, AND SO THOSE EVENTS, THE DETENTION POND DOES NOTHING FOR THE WATER.
THERE'S MORE WATER NOW THAN THERE WAS PREVIOUSLY DURING ONE OF THOSE STORMS. SO WE'RE GONNA CONTROL THE TWO YEAR FREQUENCY EVENT ALONG WITH THE FIVE AND THE 10 AND THE 25 AND THE HUNDRED.
WE REMOVED A REFERENCE TO REGIONAL DETENTION FACILITIES.
THAT IS CERTAINLY, UH, A GOOD IDEA, BUT WE, IT'S JUST NOT WHERE WE ARE AS A COMMUNITY.
UM, EACH, EACH DEVELOPMENT GENERALLY WORKS ON ITS OWN.
UH, WE ADDED ADDITIONAL CRITERIA THAT MUST BE MET IN ORDER FOR CONSIDERATION OF A DETENTION FACILITY WITH
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A PERMANENT WET POOL.AND WE ADDED A REQUIREMENT FOR THE PROVISION OF ADEQUATE SPACE FOR THE TRANSITION OF FLOW FROM A DRAINAGE OUTFLOW FLOW OUTFALL TO PRE-DEVELOPMENT CONDITIONS PRIOR TO LEAVING THE PROPERTY.
SO THAT'S VERY SIMILAR TO THE ONE I TALKED ABOUT BEFORE WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO MIMIC EXISTING CONDITIONS IN THE POST-DEVELOPMENT, UH, SCENARIO.
MOVING ON TO SANITARY SEWER, UH, WE ADDED REQUIREMENT OF PROPERTY LINE CLEANOUTS ON ALL LATERALS AND REMOVED REFERENCE TO CLEANOUTS OTHERWISE USED ON PUBLIC MAINS.
UH, THIS IS ACTUALLY A POLICY THAT WE IMPLEMENTED A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
IT'S WORKING VERY WELL, UM, BUT WE HADN'T PUT IT INTO THE DESIGN GUIDE YET, SO IT WILL BE IN THERE FORMALLY.
UH, ANOTHER ONE THAT, THAT WE'RE ALREADY REQUIRING, AND IT'S EXTREMELY LOW COST, UM, DEAL, IS TO ADD THE REQUIREMENT FOR A SAMPLING PORT ON ALL NON-RESIDENTIAL LATERALS.
UH, WE UPDATED REQUIREMENT FOR FLOWABLE FILL TO ENCAPSULATE ALL MANHOLES PREVIOUSLY THAT WAS REQUIRED ON MANHOLES THAT WERE UNDER PAVEMENT.
NOW IT, AND, AND IT'S ANOTHER ONE, WE'VE BEEN REQUIRING IT BY POLICY.
UM, AND WE UPDATED OUR STANDARD DETAILS YEARS AGO TO REQUIRE IT AROUND ALL MANHOLES, BUT NOW WE'RE GONNA GET IT UPDATED IN THIS GUIDE AS WELL.
WE CLARIFIED AWAITING PERIOD PRIOR TO TESTING AFTER FINAL BACKFILL AND OR PAVEMENT CONSTRUCTION.
AND THAT ACTUALLY IS IN LINE WITH THE TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE.
UH, SECTION SIX OF THE GUIDE, UH, RELATES TO WATER REQUIREMENTS.
WE REDUCE THE DISTANCE REQUIRED BETWEEN FIRE HYDRANT AND STRUCTURE FROM 500 TO 400, OR IS REQUIRED BY THE FIRE MARSHAL.
SOMETIMES THE FIRE MARSHAL HAS DISCRETION IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES, SO THIS WAY, UM, IT'S NOT, UH, STRICT.
UH, WE ADDED A SECTION RELATED TO PRIVATE FIRE LINES, LIMITING THE LENGTH OF A SINGLE CONNECTION TO A PUBLIC MEAN TO A THOUSAND FEET, AND CITING REFERENCES FOR DESIGN CRITERIA AND CONSTRUCTION SPECIFICATIONS.
WE ADDED THE PROHIBITION OF DOMESTIC CONNECTION TO DEAD END MAINS AND CLARIFIED LOOPING REQUIREMENTS.
WE CLARIFIED THE REQUIREMENT FOR CONSTRUCTION OF CROSS CONNECTING SUPPLY AND DISTRIBUTION MAINS, INCLUDING THOSE ON THE WATER MASTER PLANS AND WHERE THE DISTANCE TO THE NEAREST MAINS EXCEEDS THE MINIMUM.
UH, AND THAT'S, UH, IN AN EFFORT TO BUILD OUT THE GRID OF THE WATER SYSTEM AND PROVIDE REDUNDANCY, UH, IN THE SYSTEM, UH, COMMUNITY-WIDE.
WE ALSO ADDED A PROHIBITION OF COMBINED DOMESTIC AND FIRE SERVICE LINES FOR PRIVATE FACILITIES.
THIS IS REALLY GETTING TO THE MULTI-FAMILY PROJECTS WHERE, UM, THE DEVELOPERS SEEM TO, UH, BELIEVE AND, AND THEY, THEY COULD BE RIGHT, UH, IN, IN SOME INSTANCES, UM, THAT IT'S A MORE, UH, EFFICIENT DESIGN, MORE ECONOMICAL TO PUT ONE LINE IN THAT CAN SERVE AS FIRE PROTECTION AND DOMESTIC.
UM, PUBLIC WORKS GENERALLY REGULARLY GETS CALLS OF WATER QUALITY ISSUES IN FACILITIES WITH THOSE TYPES OF SYSTEMS. UM, WHAT, WHAT WE BELIEVE IS A BETTER SITUATION IS WHEN THERE'S THE, THE A SEPARATE FIRE LINE AND THEN A SEPARATE DOMESTIC LINE THAT IS GENERALLY A SMALLER DIAMETER, UH, TO, TO FEED THE DOMESTIC USE FOR THOSE FACILITIES.
MORE WATER DESIGN CRITERIA, UH, CHANGES.
WE ADDED A DEFAULT REQUIREMENT FOR ENCASEMENT OF PIPE BENEATH COMMERCIAL DRIVEWAYS, BUT WE BUILT IN, UH, SPECIFICALLY A PROVISION FOR EXCEPTION BASED ON CERTAIN CONSIDERATIONS SUCH AS HOW MANY OTHER DRIVEWAYS DOES THE FACILITY HAVE, UM, WHAT'S THE DEPTH OF THE LINE, UM, WHAT TYPE OF A FACILITY IS IT? THOSE, THOSE SORT SORTS OF THINGS.
UH, AND THE, THE PURPOSE FOR THE ENCASEMENT IS SO THAT IT COULD BE THE WATERLINE COULD BE ACCESSED WITHOUT HAVING TO CLOSE DOWN THE DRIVEWAY IN THERE IN CASE THERE'S ANY PROBLEM WITH THE WATERLINE.
WE ADDED A REQUIREMENT FOR ENCASEMENT OF MAINS CROSSING THOROUGHFARE, ROADWAYS, ESSENTIALLY THE SAME, SAME SORT OF THING.
UH, WE ADDED THE STORZ CONNECTION TO FIRE HYDRANT SPECIFICATION.
UM, THIS IS A CONNECTION THAT'S NEEDED BECAUSE OF THE TYPES OF CONNECTIONS THAT THE FIRE, UH, TRUCKS HAVE.
AND THIS IS ANOTHER THING THAT WE'VE BEEN REQUIRING WITHOUT A PROBLEM FOR SEVERAL YEARS, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE, UH, FORMALIZING IT IN THIS GUIDE.
WE ADDED THE REQUIREMENTS AND STANDARDS FOR REPLACEMENT OF ASBESTOS CEMENT PIPE WHEN NEW CONNECTION IS BEING MADE OR WHERE COVER OVER THE MAIN IS DECREASED, IT'S, IT'S, UH, ESSENTIALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO TAP INTO AN ASBESTOS CEMENT MAINE.
THEY'RE VERY, UM, UH, BRITTLE AND CAN CRUMBLE CAUSE ALL SORTS OF PROBLEMS. SO WE WERE
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AT ANY, YOU KNOW, CUTTING IT AND TRYING TO, TO MAKE A, A NEW COUPLING TO IT IS, IS NOT A GOOD IDEA.SO WE REQUIRE THAT THE JOINTS TO BE REPLACED FROM COLLAR TO COLLAR.
AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE FORMALIZING THAT.
UH, WE HAVE ONE SECTION AT THE END OF THE DESIGN GUIDE THAT IS COVERING INSPECTIONS AND TESTING.
UH, IT, IT WAS PREVIOUSLY INSPECTIONS TESTING AND CHARGES DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW IT GOT TO BE CHARGES, SO WE TOOK CHARGES OFF.
IT DIDN'T UPGRADE THIS SLIDE OR UPDATE THE SLIDE, BUT IN ANY CASE, WE INCREASED TESTING FREQUENCY FOR STREET SUBGRADE AND BASE AND ASPHALT.
WE UPDATED INFRASTRUCTURE ACCEPTANCE SUBMITTAL REQUIREMENTS TO SPECIFY ONLY DIGITAL FORMATS AND SPECIFIED THAT ASSET LOCATIONS MUST BE SURVEYED.
UH, AND IN RESPONSE TO ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE GOT AFTER OUR, UH, OUTREACH MEETINGS, UM, WE'VE UPDATED THE GUIDE TO SPECIFY WHAT ASSETS NEED TO BE SURVEYED.
AND THOSE ARE THINGS LIKE MANHOLES, UH, INCLUDING THE TOPS AND THE INVERTS VALVES, UM, FIRE HYDRANTS.
SO THE SORTS OF THINGS THAT WE NEED TO KNOW PRECISELY WHERE THEY ARE.
AND IF, IF THERE'S AN ELEVATION, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH MANHOLES, WE WANT TO KNOW WHERE THOSE, UH, ELEVATIONS ARE QUITE FREQUENTLY.
IT DOESN'T GET BUILT EXACTLY TO PLAN.
AND SO WE WANT IT SURVEYED AFTER IT GOES IN SO THAT WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WAS INSTALLED.
UH, AND WE BROUGHT, UH, THE GUIDE INTO ALIGNMENT WITH THE UDC BY CITING THE TWO YEAR WARRANTY PERIOD FOR PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS.
THAT'S BEEN REQUIRED FOR SEVERAL YEARS, BUT, UH, WE HADN'T UPDATED THE DESIGN GUIDE YET.
UH, SO WE'VE DONE A WORKSHOP WITH CITY COUNCIL.
UH, WE HAD STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS AND, AND BOTH OF THOSE, UH, CASES, WE BASICALLY GAVE THE SAME PRESENTATION TO RUN THROUGH THE UPDATES.
UH, SO YOU ALL ARE HEARING IT THIS EVENING.
NEXT WE WILL GO TO CITY COUNCIL WITH PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN ADOPT THE ORDINANCE AND ADOPT THE DESIGN GUIDE, UH, THROUGH REFERENCE IN THE CODE.
UH, SO, UH, THIS IS KIND OF SORTA, UH, AN UPDATE TO THE UDC IN A ROUNDABOUT WAY.
UM, SO WE'RE SUGGESTING THAT YOU USE THE SAME EVALUATION CRITERIA THAT YOU USE FOR UDC UPDATES.
UH, SO NUMBER ONE IS THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT PROMOTES THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND GENERAL WELFARE OF THE CITY AND THE SAFE, ORDERLY, EFFICIENT, AND HEALTHFUL DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY.
AND I THINK THIS DESIGN GUIDE ITSELF EXACTLY DOES THAT AND THE UPDATES TO IT, UM, PROVIDE UP-TO-DATE INFRASTRUCTURE, CONSTRUCTION DESIGN STANDARDS, UH, THAT ARE ESSENTIAL TO PROTECT, UM, THOSE THINGS.
UH, NEXT AN AMENDMENT TO THE TEXT IS CONSISTENT WITH OTHER POLICIES OF THE UDC AND THE CITY.
AND THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT THIS UPDATE DOES.
SPECIFICALLY, IT BRINGS IT INTO ALIGNMENT WITH OTHER DOCUMENTS, STANDARDS AND POLICIES.
UH, ANY PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES OF THE UDC AND THE CITY.
UH, AND THIS DESIGN GUIDE IS SPECIFICALLY INTENDED TO PROMOTE HIGH QUALITY SUSTAINABLE INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, WHICH ARE ACTUAL, UM, GOALS STATED IN THE NEWLY ADOPTED STRATEGIC, UH, PLAN FOR THE CITY.
AND OTHER CRITERIA, WHICH OF THE DISCRETION OF THE PLANNING, ZONING, AND COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL ARE DEEMED RELEVANT AND IMPORTANT TO THE CONSIDERATION OF THE AMENDMENT.
SO, UH, THE SCHEDULED PUBLIC HEARING PROVIDES YOU ALL THE OPPORTUNITY TO DETERMINE AND CONSIDER IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO, UM, LOOK INTO.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION OF THE REALLY EXCITING UPDATES,
THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND IT IS NOW, UH, 7:53 PM I'M NOT GONNA ASK ABOUT THE APPLICANT BECAUSE SHE JUST GAVE US A RUNDOWN.
SO, UM, ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THIS SUBJECT IS WELCOME TO STEP FORWARD AT THIS TIME.
LARRY IS HAPPY BACK THERE IN THE CORNER.
IT IS, UH, 7 54 AND PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IS CLOSED.
YEAH, KIND OF A ROUNDABOUT WAY FOR THE PNZ.
IT'S, YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S REFERENCED IN THE UDC, THAT'S, YEAH.
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OKAY.UM, I HAVE ONE QUESTION, SO LET ME GET THAT OUTTA THE WAY REAL QUICK.
6.2 B FIVE, THE COMBINED LINE THING, YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ONE AND TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS WITH THE RESIDENTIAL SPRINKLER SYSTEMS WHERE THEY TAKE IT OFF THE DOMESTIC SUPPLY.
IT'S COMBINED FIRE DOMESTIC, NOT THAT WE HAVE ANY, WELL, WE MAY HAVE ONE OR TWO.
I WISH WE HAD MORE COMMISSIONERS.
SEE, THEY DON'T USE IT AND THEN THEY START USING IT AND, YEAH.
THAT WAS A, A GOOD SUMMARY OF ALL THIS STUFF.
UH, I'M HAPPY TO SEE THE, THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE STREET INSPECTIONS.
I, I THINK WE'VE NEEDED MORE AND MORE, MORE INSPECTIONS AND MORE STRINGENT INSPECTIONS FOR A LONG TIME.
THERE'S A LOT OF NEW SUBDIVISIONS THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT IN THE PAST WHERE THE STREETS FELL APART BEFORE THE LAST HOUSE WAS BUILT.
SO HOWEVER YOU GUYS STRENGTHEN THIS AND MAKE IT MORE STRINGENT, I'M ALL FOR IT.
YOU TALK ABOUT THE SHEET FLOW.
CAN AN ENGINEER BE REALLY CONCISE AND, AND KIND OF EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE? WHAT IS THAT GONNA MAKE CONDITIONS ON THE, ON ALONG 1518 BETTER THAN THEY HAVE BEEN? AND HOW, HOW'S THAT GONNA WORK? IS IT, IS IT CONTROLLING SHEET FLOW OR DEFINING SHEET FLOW OR WHAT IS IT? SO, NO, ALL THIS IS DOING IS, UM, IT, IT'S REALLY MAKING A MORE CONSERVATIVE, UM, CALCULATION IN, IN THE BOTTOM LINE.
BUT IT'S, SO WHEN THE TIME OF CONCENTRATION IS CALCULATED, AND LET'S SEE, LET ME BACK UP, TRY AND DO THIS, EXPLAIN IT IN ORDER.
SO THE TIME OF CONCENTRATION IS THE TIME IT TAKES A RAINDROP THAT HITS THE GROUND HERE TO GET TO THE STUDY POINT.
AND SO THE FIRST THING THAT HAPPENS, IT, IT, THE RAIN COMES DOWN AND IT IS SHEET FLOW UNTIL IT COMBINES WITH A LOT OF OTHER SHEET FLOW INTO A, YOU KNOW, STARTS TO GET A LITTLE CHANNELIZED AND THEN IT'S CALLED SHALLOW CONCENTRATED FLOW.
AND THEN IT GETS TO CHANNELIZED FLOW.
AND FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE, THERE'S A DIFFERENT CALCULATION OF HOW LONG IT TAKES TO GET FROM 0.1 TO 0.2 AND SHEET FLOW.
IT'S BASED ON THE TYPE OF SURFACE, WHETHER IT'S, UH, A FOREST OR A LAWN OR ASPHALT.
UM, WHEN IT'S SHEET FLOW AT A CERTAIN SLOPE AND A CERTAIN SURFACE, THIS IS HOW YOU CALCULATE THE TIME.
IT TAKES, ONCE IT GETS TO SHALLOW CONCENTRATED FLOW, IT'S A DIFFERENT CALCULATION TO CALCULATE THE TIME AND IT GENERALLY GO IS GOING FASTER.
AND THEN OF COURSE, ONCE IT GETS TO CHANNELIZED FLOW, IT'S GOING EVEN FASTER.
SO WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT SHEET FLOW IN GENERAL IS ACTUALLY THAT, THAT IT'S LASTING AS SHEET FLOW FOR 300 FEET.
WE THINK BY THE TIME IT'S GOT 300 FEET, IT HAS CHANNELIZED IN SOME WAY, IT HAS BECOME CONCENTRATED.
SO THIS WILL HAVE YOUR CALCULATION SPEED UP THE TIME OF CONCENTRATION TO A CERTAIN EXTENT.
AND THE FINAL NUMBER OF THE TIME OF CONCENTRATION IS WHAT GETS PUT INTO A FORMULA.
AND THE SHORTER THE TIME OF CONCENTRATION, THE HIGHER THE PRECIPITATION AMOUNT.
AND YOUR PRE-DEVELOPMENT TIME OF CONCENTRATION IS ALMOST ALWAYS LONGER THAN YOUR POST-DEVELOPMENT.
'CAUSE IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, PRE-DEVELOPMENT ALMOST ALWAYS IS GOING ACROSS, UH, JUST A VEGETATED AREA POST-DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S GOT A SHORT VEGETATED AREA AND THEN IT'S GOING ON PAVEMENT.
SO, SO THIS IS, THIS WILL ALL BASICALLY CHANGE THE DESIGN OF THE, THE, THE WATER CONTROL STRUCTURES.
IT WILL LIKELY CHANGE THE CALCULATION FOR THE FLOW COMING INTO, SAY, A DETENTION FACILITY.
SO IT WILL, I, I GUESS WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS WE, WITH
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DEVELOPMENT SOUTH OF 78 MM-HMM,THAT SHEET FLOW IS A MAJOR PROBLEM AND, AND IT, IT'S NOT REALLY TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT LIKE THEY THINK IT SHOULD BE.
AND I'M, I'M HOPING THAT SOMETHING LIKE THIS WILL MAKE IT MAKE IT BETTER.
OH, OR AM I OFF SOMEWHERE? I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS WILLS ADDRESS WHAT THAT COMPLAINT IS ABOUT.
I THINK A LOT OF WHAT THAT IS JUST ABOUT IS THAT IT'S, EVERYTHING IS SO FLAT AND WELL, THEIR COMPLAINTS BEGIN WITH DEVELOPMENT.
AND SO IF, IF THIS HELPS CONTROL THE RUNOFF FROM A DEVELOPMENT, IT WILL HELP, IT WILL HELP THE CONTROL TO BE SLIGHTLY MORE CONSERVATIVE.
UH, YOU TALKED A LITTLE BIT IN THE BEGINNING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GONNA ADD COST OR ADD EXPENSES, YOU KNOW, TO SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
I, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO BE OVERLY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
THOSE OF US WHO'VE BEEN HERE WHEN THE FLOOD OF 98 HAPPENED, I DON'T REALLY CARE HOW MUCH IT COSTS.
I WANT TO BE PROTECTED FROM A MAJOR FLOOD EVENT LIKE THAT AS BEST WE CAN.
AND IF IT COSTS A LITTLE MORE FOR THAT, THAT'S GREAT.
AND, AND IT'S BECAUSE WE LIVE IN THAT ENVIRONMENT AND WE, WE LIVE CLOSE TO CLOW CREEK AND WE'VE HAD THESE MAJOR FLOODS IN THE PAST.
I THINK WE NEED WHATEVER STANDARDS TO BE INCREASED THAT WE NEED TO MAKE IT SAFER HERE AND TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF DAMAGE THAT CAN HAPPEN FROM A, FROM AN EVENT LIKE THAT.
SO I'M, I'M NOT, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT OVERLY EXPENSIVE THINGS, BUT IF IT'S GONNA COST A DEVELOPER A LITTLE BIT MORE, I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THAT AT ALL.
I, I WANT TO BE PROTECTED HERE.
UM, AND THERE'S SOME GOOD THINGS IN HERE WITH, WITH WATER AND, AND, UH, SANITARY SEWER IMPROVEMENTS.
AND I, I THINK THEY ARE IMPROVEMENTS AND I THINK BY DOING THESE THINGS, YOU GUYS CAN WORK SMARTER AND NOT HARDER.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE NEED.
AND MANHOLES AND, AND CASEMENTS AND ALL KINDS OF OTHER THINGS ARE GONNA MAKE THINGS A LOT BETTER FOR THE WORKERS AND I'LL MAKE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE A LOT MORE SUSTAINABLE.
AND I, I DO THINK WE CAN, UH, WE CAN DO MORE, BUT WE'LL GET THERE.
ANYBODY ELSE? ALRIGHT, WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE ANOTHER, WE HAVE A, UH, THIS, AGAIN, THIS IS A, A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.
UM, WE HAVE AN OPTION TO NOT TAKE ANY ACTION THIS EVENING, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN.
UH, BUT BASICALLY AGAIN, UH, WE CAN RECOMMEND APPROVAL, DENIAL, WE CAN RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH SOME CHANGES OR WE CAN SEND HER BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD.
SO WHAT'S YOUR PREFERENCE? I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF T-L-U-D-C 2 0 2 4 0 2 4 3 SECOND.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF P-L-U-D-C 2 2 4 0 2 4 3.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, DISCUSSIONS? PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
YOU PUBLISH THAT FOR US PLEASE.
[A. PLPP20240175 - Consider and act upon a request for approval of a preliminary plat for the Monroe Subdivision Lots 1-2, Block 1, approximately 22 acres of land, generally located 400 feet east from the intersection of Ware-Seguin Road and Boenig Drive, also known as Bexar Property Identification Number 619166, City of Schertz, Bexar County, Texas.]
ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.CONSIDER AN ACT UPON REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR THE MONROE SUBDIVISION.
LOTS ONE AND TWO BLOCK ONE APPROXIMATELY 22 ACRES OF LAND.
GENERALLY LOCATED 400 FEET EAST FROM THE INTERSECTION OF EGINE ROAD IN BEEK DRIVE, ALSO KNOWN AS BEAR PROPERTY IDENTIFICATION NUMBER 6 1 9 1 6 6.
CITY OF SHEZ, BEX COUNTY, TEXAS.
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A PROPOSED PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR THE MONROE SUBDIVISION.HERE'S THE SUBJECT PROPERTY OUTLINED IN GREEN.
HERE'S THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ONCE AGAIN, BUT OUTLINED IN YELLOW.
THEY'RE PROPOSING THE MONROE SUBDIVISION TO ESTABLISH TWO LOTS.
IT IS LOCATED IN THE A PZ ONE AND THE APZ TWO LOT ONE BLOCK ONE IS THIS NORTHERN PORTION PORTION.
IT IS APPROXIMATELY NINE POINT 31 ACRES.
IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AND HAS DIRECT ACCESS ONTO WEAR SEIN ROAD LOT TWO BLOCK ONE IS APPROXIMATELY 12 POINT 39 ACRES.
IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT R AIM AND HAS ACCESS TO WEAR SEINEN VIA A 30 FOOT INGRESS AND EGRESS EASEMENT.
SO WHY ARE WE HERE? UDC SECTION 1293 J REQUIRES THAT EACH LOT BE PROVIDED WITH ADEQUATE ACCESS TO A PUBLIC STREET, EITHER BY DIRECT FRONTAGE OR BY PUBLIC ACCESS EASEMENT APPROVED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND LOT TWO BLOCK ONE OF THE MONROE SUBDIVISION HAS ACCESS TO WHERE SEIN ROAD THROUGH A NON-EXCLUSIVE 30 FOOT INGRESS AND EGRESS EASEMENT AS YOU CAN SEE HERE BY THIS VERY SMALL TEXT, WHICH MAKES THE PRELIMINARY PLAT SUBJECT TO DISCRETIONARY APPROVAL BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
AND HERE IS THAT PLAT EXHIBIT, THAT'S PAGE ONE OF THE PLAT.
AND THIS IS PAGE TWO THAT SHOWS AN OFFSITE EASEMENT.
SO THE PRELIMINARY PLAT IS GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE APPLICABLE REQUIREMENTS, ORDINANCES AND REGULATIONS FOR THIS PROPERTY.
AND IT HAS BEEN REVIEWED WITH NO OBJECTIONS BY ENGINEERING, FIRE AND PLANNING DEPARTMENTS.
SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAT AS PRESENTED.
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? COMMERS TURN, TURN YOUR MIC ON PLEASE.
IT'S BASICALLY, UH, JUST SHOWING THE OFFSITE SEWER CONNECTION BECAUSE THIS IS THE EXISTING CLOSEST.
THAT'S A, IS THIS SUBJECT TO ANY REVIEW BY RANDOLPH SINCE GIVEN ITS LOCATION? SO WE SEND THE PLAT APPLICATION TO JBSA RANDOLPH, LIKE WE DO ALL OTHER PLANNING APPLICATIONS AS WELL, BUT SINCE IT'S NOT A ZONING, WE DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE AN AFFIRMATIVE RESPONSE.
WOULD THEY GET A CHANCE TO LOOK AT ANY SITE PLAN THAT RESULTS OR, SO AGAIN, RIGHT.
WE SEND EVERY PLANNING APPLICATION THAT WE RECEIVE TO JBSA FOR THE REVIEW, BUT IN TERMS OF WHEN WE ARE REQUIRED PER THE UDC TO GET A RESPONSE BACK, IT'S ONLY FOR ZONING APPLICATION.
AND WHAT IS A NON-EXCLUSIVE EASEMENT? WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? DID I GET THAT RIGHT? IT'S NON-EXCLUSIVE OR INCLUSIVE? I, I'M NOT SURE WHAT, WHAT IS IT? IT'S ULTIMATELY THE EASEMENT RIGHT? FROM WHERE SEIN ROAD THROUGH LOT ONE TO LOT TWO IS THERE TO PROVIDE ACCESS FOR BOTH THE PROPERTY OWNER BUT COULD ALSO BE UTILIZED BY EMERGENCY SERVICES AS WELL TO ACCESS LOT TWO.
IIII GUESS I'M WHAT ASKING WHAT OTHER TYPES OF, YOU KNOW, THIS ONE IS CLEARLY LABELED NON-EXCLUSIVE.
SO WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? ANYBODY CAN USE IT OR THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, BUT I'M GONNA LOOK AT THE REALLY SMART ENGINEERING FOLKS BACK THERE, KATHY.
I MEAN, I, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HAS, WOULD, WOULD EVER HAVE AN ISSUE WITH EMERGENCY SERVICES.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S ENSURING THAT LAW TWO HAS THAT ACCESS.
SO TYPICALLY WHAT WE SEE IN AN EASEMENT DOCUMENT THAT'S A SEPARATE INSTRUMENT.
IT'LL SAY THIS EASEMENT IS NON-EXCLUSIVE, MEANING THAT ANOTHER EASEMENT CAN BE OVERLAID AND THE SPACE COULD BE SHARED FOR THAT.
IT'S NOT IN THIS, ON THIS DOCUMENT HERE.
I WISH WE HAD LEGAL TO GIVE US A, A SOLID ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION.
I'M GONNA EXERCISE SOME PRIVILEGE HERE.
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UH, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU FOLKS KNOW? IS THIS YOUR THING GOING ON BY, CAN YOU HELP, CAN YOU HELP US OUT? I'M DARREN HUCKER WITH GARZA, EMC, CIVIL ENGINEER.UM, AND NON-EXCLUSIVE JUST TYPICALLY MEANS IN THE ACTUAL EASEMENT LANGUAGE IF YOU DO A SEPARATE INSTRUMENT DOCUMENT, NOT NOT A PLAT.
SO IF THERE'S A PLAT NOTE OR SOMETHING THAT DEFINES WHAT THAT NON EXCLUSIVENESS IS, THAT MIGHT BE THE, THE THING THAT YOU REQUIRE OR RECOMMEND TO THIS PLAT PERHAPS.
UM, BUT EXCLUSIVE IS USUALLY ACCESS EASEMENT ONLY ACCESS, NO UTILITIES, NO CABLE, NO POWER, NO WATER, NO WASTEWATER IF YOU'RE, 'CAUSE MOST OF YOUR UTILITY EASEMENTS ARE EXCLUSIVE TO THAT UTILITY, WHETHER IT'S A WASTEWATER LINE, A WATER LINE, A OVERHEAD, ELECTRIC, UNDERGROUND ELECTRIC, THAT TYPE OF STUFF.
SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE IT'S A PUBLIC UTILITY OR A PUBLIC EASEMENT BEING NON-EXCLUSIVE.
IT'S NON-EXCLUSIVE PRETTY MUCH.
IT SAYS THEY'RE GIVEN THIS PA PART OF LAND FOR ANYONE'S USE SPEC THAT, SO IT CAN, IT CAN BE ACCESSED UNLESS IT'S FURTHER DEFINED SOMEWHERE.
OR IF THERE'S A CITY DEFINITION WITHIN THE CITY OF CHURCHS THAT HAS A PROVISION THAT SAYS NON-EXCLUSIVE MEANS THIS, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY I WOULD ANSWER THAT.
SO IN GENERAL, WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT I'M HEARING IS NON-EXCLUSIVE.
IT COULD BE ACCESS, IT CAN ALSO BE UTILITIES AND THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SAY.
ANYBODY ELSE? WE'RE JUST HAVING WAY TOO MUCH FUN TONIGHT.
UH, THIS IS OUR ACTION TONIGHT.
WE CAN APPROVE, DENY, OR APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS.
IF SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE PPP 2 0 2 4 0 1 7 5 SECOND.
MY SECOND CAME FROM DOWN HERE.
ALRIGHT, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO, UH, TO APPROVE, NOT RECOMMEND, BUT TO APPROVE PLPP 20 24 0 1 7 5.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? OKAY.
[B. PLPP20240215 Waiver - Consider and act upon a request for a waiver in relation to on-site sewer facilities for the preliminary plat of the Schertz Logistics Subdivision, approximately 43 acres of land, located approximately 400 feet north of the intersection of FM 2252 and FM 482, also known as Comal County Property Identification Numbers 378449 and 379114, City of Schertz, Comal County, Texas.]
SIX B-P-L-P-P 2 24 2 15 IS A WAIVER.CONSIDER AND ACT UPON A REQUEST FOR A WAIVER IN RELATION TO ONSITE SEWER FACILITIES FOR THE PRELIMINARY PLAT OF THE SHEZ LOGISTICS SUBDIVISION.
APPROXIMATELY 43 ACRES OF LAND LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 400 FEET NORTH OF THE INTERSECTION OF FM 2252 AND FM 4 82, ALSO KNOWN AS KAMAL COUNTY PROPERTY IDENTIFICATION NUMBER IS 3 7 8 4 4 9 AND 3 7 9 1 1 4.
CITY OF CHURCH, KAMAL COUNTY, TEXAS.
SO THEY'RE JUST LETTING YOU DO ALL THE WORK TONIGHT, HUH? YES.
WAIVER FOR THE PROPOSED SHE'S LOGISTICS SUBDIVISION.
PRELIMINARY PLAT, HERE'S THE SUBJECT.
IT IS LOCATED ALONG FM 2252 AND THIS IS I 35.
SO HERE'S THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AGAIN OUTLINED IN YELLOW.
IS IT APPROXIMATELY 43 ACRES? IT IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED.
IT IS ZONED MANUFACTURING LIGHT DISTRICT AND ONE IS BEING PROPOSED FOR INDUSTRIAL USE.
IT IS LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 400 FEET NORTH OF THE INTERSECTION OF FM 2252 AND FM 4 82.
HERE IS THE FIRST PAGE OF THAT PLAT PAGE AND THE SECOND PAGE.
SO THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING APPROVAL OF THE WAIVER TO INSTALL A PRIVATELY OWNED ON SITE SEWER FACILITY ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
PROPERTY PROPOSED WITH THE PRELIMINARY PLAT AND PER UDC ARTICLE 15, SECTION 21 15 3, A WASTEWATER SYSTEMS WASTEWATER CONNECTION REQUIRED AND SECTION 2115 3D UTILITIES.
ALL LOTS WITHIN A SUBDIVISION ARE
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REQUIRED TO CONNECT TO PUBLIC SANITARY SEWER SYSTEMS AND EXTEND WASTEWATER LINES UNLESS OTHERWISE APPROVED BY THE CITY.SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY.
AND BASED ON THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE UDC AND PROPOSED INSTALLATION OF AN OSSF, A WAIVER IS REQUIRED TO BE REQUESTED FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AS DETAILED IN UDC SECTION 21 12 15 WAIVERS.
SO THE CLOSEST SANITARY SEWER CONNECTION IS APPROXIMATELY 9,600 FEET AWAY FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AT THE INTERSECTION OF ABBEY ROAD.
AND THE RAILROAD TRACKS, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS GRAPHIC AND THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY PART OF A LARGER PROP PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY OF SHIRKS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION AND THE STX RIO SUBDIVISION, UM, IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY TO CONSTRUCT A SANITARY SEWER MAINE FROM ABBEY ROAD TO THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY PROPERTY LINE OF THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION.
AND THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HAS REVIEWED THIS WAIVER REQUEST AND HAS DETERMINED THAT THEY WILL SUPPORT CONDITIONAL APPROVAL OF THIS WAIVER REQUEST.
SO THE SEWER LINE WILL BE CONSTRUCTED SOON DUE TO THIS PARTNERSHIP.
AND ONCE THE LINE IS CONSTRUCTED, THE SHIRT'S LOGISTICS SUBDIVISION WILL THEN BE REQUIRED TO CONNECT AND EXTEND THE SANITARY SEWER IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 98 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES.
AND THE PRELIMINARY PLOT SUBMITTED DEMONSTRATES A 20 FOOT SANITARY SEWER EASEMENT TO MEET FUTURE TIE IN REQUIREMENTS.
BUT UNTIL THE SANITARY SEWER LINE IS BUILT AND REACHES THE SUBJECT PROPERTY PER APPROVAL OF THIS WAIVER REQUEST, THE PROPERTY WILL HAVE AN ONSITE SEWER FACILITY BEFORE THIS PROPERTY IS PUBLIC.
AND IF APPROVED, THE OSSF PROPOSED FOR THE SITE WILL BE REVIEWED AND PERMITTED THROUGH KAMALA COUNTY AND MEET KAMALA COUNTY REQUIREMENTS.
AND A BUILDING PERMIT WILL NOT BE ISSUED WITHOUT EITHER KAMO COUNTY OSSF APPROVED PERMIT OR EXTENSION OF AND CONNECTION TO THE PUBLIC SYSTEM.
SO RECOMMENDATION, APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS.
SO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE WAIVER BASED ON THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
THE DEVELOPER EXECUTES AN ESCROW AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF SHES TO PROVIDE FUNDING FOR THE CONNECTION TO AND EXTENSION OF THE SANITARY SEWER REMAIN ACROSS THE SUBDIVISION AS GENERALLY DEPICTED IN THE PRELIMINARY PLAT.
AND ONCE THE SANITARY SEWER REMAIN IS CONSTRUCTED TO THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY OF THE SHES LOGISTICS SUBDIVISION, THE DEVELOPER WAS CEASE OSSF OPERATION CONNECTION TO THE SANITARY SEWER AND EXTEND THE SANITARY SEWER MAIN ACROSS THE SUBDIVISION TO THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE SUBDIVISION.
YEAH, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE NORMALLY SEE.
THIS, THIS, UM, ONE OF THE CONDITIONS IS ONCE SEWER IS THERE, THEY DON'T HAVE, THEY WILL CONNECT.
IS THERE A, IS THERE A TIMEFRAME IN RE LIKE IN REGARD TO HOW LONG THEY HAVE TO CONNECT OR IS IT JUST, I DON'T WANNA SAY OPEN-ENDED, BUT IT'S NO.
SO I KNOW THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
THIS IS A VERY LARGE DEAL THAT EDC HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THEM.
AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT LIKE, IT'S COMING VERY, VERY SOON.
THEY WANNA DEVELOP AS SOON AS THEY CAN.
UM, I KNOW THE NORTHERN PORTION, UM, GOT THEIRS APPROVED, UM, EARLIER THIS YEAR OR, MM-HMM.
OH, KATHY, I, ON, I CAN GIVE A LITTLE, LITTLE BIT OF AN UPDATE ON THIS ONE.
UM, SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY ARE NOT AT ALL PLANNING TO INSTALL A, A SEPTIC SYSTEM.
THEY ONLY NEED THIS PROCEDURALLY TO BE ABLE TO RECORD THE PLAT SO THAT THEY CAN START CONSTRUCTION ON THEIR FACILITY.
UM, AND WE ACTUALLY, UM, ARE THIS CLOSE TO HAVING THE LAST EASEMENT NECESSARY FOR THE, UM, SEWER TRUNK MAIN THAT WILL COME UP AND SERVE AND GO THROUGH THIS PROPERTY.
SO THAT, THAT WILL, IS THAT IF YOU, THAT WILL BE A BIG DEAL UP THERE.
IF YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO DISREGARD THAT OR NOT DISREGARD THAT, BUT, OKAY.
BUT THAT'S A, I UNDERSTAND CURRENT STATUS.
NO, BUT I, I THINK THAT'S WHAT, UH, MR. WALLACE WAS, WAS ASKING, SO I'M GOOD.
THIS, UH, AGAIN, THIS IS OUR ACTION AND YEAH, THE ADAM, I WOULD JUST SAY IF YOU CAN GET IT THERE TOMORROW, WE WOULD TAKE IT.
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SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO APPROVE IT WITH THE CONDITIONS, UH, SPECIFIED BY STAFF.BUT YOU'RE FREE TO MAKE YOUR OWN MOTION IF YOU'D LIKE TO.
PATRICK, YOU GOING, I SEE TWO MICS ON HERE.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE WITH THE STAFF CONDITIONS.
PLPP 2 0 2 4 0 2 1 15, WAIVER.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE, UH, PLPP 22 4 0 2 1 5 WITH THE CONDITIONS SPECIFIED BY STAFF.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? DISCUSSION, PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
PLEASE PUBLISH THAT SEVEN A'S UNOPPOSED THAT MOTION PASSES.
AND THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR HELP WITH THE OTHER ONE.
[C. PLPP20240215 - Consider and act upon a request for approval of a preliminary plat of the Schertz Logistics Subdivision, an approximately 43-acre tract of land, located approximately 400 feet north of the intersection of FM 2252 and FM 482, also known as Comal County Property Identification Numbers 378449 and 379144, City of Schertz, Comal County, Texas.]
2 24 0 2 1 15.CONSIDER AN ACT UPON A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A PRELIMINARY PLAT OF THE OH, OKAY.
NOW WE'RE DOING THE, YEAH, CONSIDER AN ACT UPON REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A PRELIMINARY PLAT OF THE SHEZ LOGISTICS SUBDIVISION OF APPROXIMATELY 43 TRACT, 43 ACRE TRACT LAND LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 400 FEET NORTH OF THE INTERSECTION OF FM 2252 AND FM 4 82, ALSO KNOWN AS KAMAU COUNTY PROPERTY IDENTIFICATION NUMBERS 3 7 8 4 4 9 AND 3 7 9 1 1 4.
CITY OF SHE, KAMAU COUNTY, TEXAS.
AGAIN, DAISY
THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY OUTLINE IN GREEN.
IT IS THE SAME PROPERTY THAT YOU JUST APPROVED THE WAIVER FOR.
APPEARS THE PLA EXHIBIT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAT AS PRESENTED.
COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS? UH, IT WAS QUICK.
UM, I, I READ THROUGH MY, SO WHY IS THIS PLAT FOR US? WHY, WHY ARE, WHY ARE WE SEEING THIS INSTEAD OF JUST STAFF APPROVING IT? BECAUSE OF THE WAIVER.
SO, SO THE PLOT DOESN'T SHOW THE CONNECTIONS TO SANITARY SEWER BECAUSE THEY WERE REQUESTING THE WAIVER.
IF THE WAIVER, TECHNICALLY, IF THE WAIVER WASN'T APPROVED, THEN THE PLA WOULDN'T MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS AND WE'D BE LOOKING AT A DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, OUTCOME.
OH, SO THE PRELIMINARY PLAT IS HERE BECAUSE OF THE WAIVER REQUEST.
SO DID I BLINK AND MISS THE, ARE YOU GONNA SHOW US THE PLAT OR I MISSED IT.
UM, UH, YOU KNOW WHAT I SAID ABOUT GETTING OLD? YOU REMEMBER THAT WILL WHAT I SAID EARLIER.
UH, COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS? ANYBODY AGAIN? THIS, THIS, THIS IS OUR ACTION.
WE CAN APPROVE, WE CAN DENY, WE CAN APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE PLPP 2 0 2 4 0 2 1 5.
I HAVE A MOTION, UH, TO APPROVE.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE PL PPP 2 2 4 0 2 1 5.
ANY FURTHER? COMMENTS? QUESTIONS, DISCUSSION? SOMEBODY'S ALREADY VOTED.
YOU WANNA PUBLISH THAT, PLEASE? WE HAVE SEVEN AYES AND NONE OPPOSED.
SORRY IT TOOK US SO LONG TO GET THERE.
OKAY, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, REQUEST
[A. Requests by Commissioners to place items on a future Planning and Zoning Agenda]
AND ANNOUNCEMENTS.REQUEST BY COMMISSIONERS TO PLACE ITEMS ON
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A FUTURE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENDA.I'D LIKE TO REQUEST THAT WE PUT ON THE FUTURE AGENDA A RECOMMENDATION TO, UM, CITY COUNCIL THAT MANUFACTURE HOUSES BE CONSIDERED THE SAME AS REGULAR HOUSES.
COULD WE FRAME THAT TO ASK STAFF TO REVIEW OR LET'S HAVE A WORKSHOP ON POSSIBLY AMENDING THE UDC TO ALLOW MANUFACTURED HOMES ON, UH, AG.
AG? WHAT IS IT? AGRICULTURE WAS AD AND, AND RA.
AND THEN THAT, THAT KIND OF KEEPS 'EM OUT OF, YOU KNOW, THEN THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT TALKING IN R ONES AND R TWOS WOULD, WOULD THAT BE ALL RIGHT? YEAH, THAT WOULD BE FINE.
ANYBODY ELSE? I HAD ONE, BUT KATHY, UH, TALKED ME OUT OF IT.
SO
JUST MAKE, LET ME MAKE SURE WE NO MORE FUTURE.
NO MORE FUTURE, UH, AGENDA THINGS.
I JUST GOTTA MAKE A QUICK NOTE HERE.
[B. Announcements by Commissioners City and community events attended and to be attended Continuing education events attended and to be attended]
BY COMMISSIONERS.UH, JUST A REMINDER, OCTOBER 7TH IS THE LAST DAY TO REGISTER TO VOTE.
IF YOU HAVE NOT DONE SO, IT ALSO DOESN'T HELP TO CHECK THAT YOU WERE STILL ENROLLED.
THEY'RE STILL REGISTERED 'CAUSE THEY, UH, CLEAR THE LIST EVERY COUPLE YEARS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S JUST ON THE WEBSITE, BUT YEAH.
OCTOBER 7TH, ACTUALLY, GUDO, WELL, I DON'T WANNA SAY IT'S THAT BECAUSE YOU KINDA HAVE TO DIG FOR IT, BUT IT'S THERE.
ANYBODY ELSE? DID YOU STAFF? YOU GUYS HAVE ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS? OH, YOU DON'T WANT DAISY TO GET UP HERE? ONE MORE TIME? NO.
[A. Current Projects and City Council Status Update ]
OF COURSE, UH, ITEM EIGHT INFORMATION AVAILABLE ON, ON CURRENT PROJECTS AND THEIR CITY COUNCIL STATUS IS AVAILABLE IN YOUR PACKETS.IT IS NOW, UH, 8 26 AND THIS MEETING'S ADJOURNED.