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          HUH, 
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          I CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. 
          THIS IS THE NOVEMBER 6TH, 2024 REGULAR MEETING OF THE SHERTZ PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. 
          WELCOME EVERYONE. 
          ITEM NUMBER ONE WAS THE CALL TO ORDER. 
          [2. SEAT ALTERNATE TO ACT IF REQUIRED]
ITEM NUMBER TWO IS A SEAT AND ALTERNATE. 
          WE HAVE COMMISSIONER WALLACE JOINING US THIS EVENING. 
          [3. HEARING OF RESIDENTS This time is set aside for any person who wishes to address the Planning and Zoning Commission. Each person should fill out the Speaker’s register prior to the meeting. Presentations should be limited to no more than three (3) minutes. Discussion by the Commission of any item not on the agenda shall be limited to statements of specific factual information given in response to any inquiry, a recitation of existing policy in response to an inquiry, and/or a proposal to place the item on a future agenda. The presiding officer, during the Hearing of Residents portion of the agenda, will call on those persons who have signed up to speak in the order they have registered.]
ITEM NUMBER THREE IS THE HEARING OF RESIDENCE. 
          WE HAVE, UH, WELL LET ME READ THIS THING HERE REAL QUICK. 
          THIS TIME IS SET ASIDE FOR ANY PERSON WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. 
          EACH PERSON SHOULD FILL OUT THE SPEAKER'S REGISTER PRIOR TO THE MEETING. 
          PRESENTATION SHOULD BE LIMITED TO NO MORE THAN THREE MINUTES. 
          DISCUSSION BY THE COMMISSION OF ANY ITEM NOT ON THE AGENDA SHALL BE LIMITED TO STATEMENTS OF SPECIFIC FACTUAL INFORMATION GIVEN IN RESPONSE TO ANY INQUIRY, A RECITATION OF EXISTING POLICY AND RESPONSE TO ANY INQUIRY AND OR PROPOSAL TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA. 
          THE PRESIDING OFFICER, ME DURING THE HEARING OF RESIDENCE PORTION OF THIS AGENDA WILL CALL ON THOSE PERSONS WHO HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK IN THE ORDER THEY HAVE REGISTERED. 
          SO WE HAVE THREE PEOPLE SIGNED UP AND IT LOOKS LIKE THEY ALL WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, ONE OR MORE OF THEM. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO SIGN UP TO SPEAK DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          UM, THOSE OF YOU WHO DID SIGN UP TO SPEAK, UM, NOW UNDER HEARING OF RESIDENCE, I HAVE THE OPTION OF SPEAKING NOW AND AT THE PUBLIC HEARING OR JUST WAITING AND SPEAK AT THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S, IT'S COMPLETELY UP TO YOU. 
          SO FIRST ON THE LIST IS, UH, GARY, IS IT DREW BAY? OKAY, WELL LET ME, LET ME MAKE SOMETHING CLEAR HERE. 
          WHAT, BUD? SO, DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING, YOU'RE ONLY GONNA GET THREE MINUTES. 
          SO IF YOU THINK YOU NEED SIX MINUTES, TALK NOW AND THEN. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU STILL WANNA WAIT? COME ON. 
          ADDRESS ONE THING, MISS. 
          WELL, YEAH, COME ON UP. 
          I, UH, UH, UH, I NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. 
          UH, GARY DREW BAY 6 5 2 COLT TRAIL. 
          SHIRTZ, UH, I JUST WANNA ADDRESS THIS HAD A LITTLE BIT TO DO WITH ITEM A, I GUESS, BUT WHAT IS KIND OF THE PLAN FOR THAT ROAD LIVE OAK THAT KIND OF COMES TO A DEAD END JUST AFTER YOU CROSS PARKWAY GOING SOUTH? UH, WHEN MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD MOVED IN THE, NOT SURPRISINGLY, THEY WERE KIND OF TOLD THAT THAT ROAD, THAT'S AS FAR AS IT WOULD EVER GO, BUT WE'VE HEARD THAT THAT'S NOT THE CASE. 
          IS THERE SOMEBODY THAT COULD ADDRESS THAT FOR US? WELL, WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN, UH, IF WE CAN GET THAT ADDRESSED DURING THE, DURING THE PRESENTATION OF THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT, BUT THE, THE, UM, THE LONG, I CAN TELL YOU THE LONG-TERM PLAN IS FOR LIVE OAK TO, TO, UH, WRAP AROUND YOUR SUBDIVISION AND CONNECT TO, UM, MASSEY ROAD. 
          AND IT WILL BE TWO LANES SIMILAR TO WHAT IT IS. 
          THAT'S, THAT. 
          I'M NOT SURE HOW, HOW WIDE IT'LL BE. 
          OKAY. 
          COPY. 
          MAYBE THEY'LL, WE'LL, MAYBE. 
          AND YEAH, WE'LL LOOK AT ADDRESSING THAT DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY FUNDING AT THIS TIME. 
          SO IT'S A LONG TERM. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, LET'S SEE. 
          WE HAVE, UM, IS IT ROCHELLE SCHRADER? OKAY. 
          AND, UH, DALE HANSEN. 
          COME ON UP, SIR. 
          NAME AND ADDRESS IF YOU WOULD. 
          GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. 
          OH, SORRY. 
          UH, MY NAME IS DALE HANSON, 3 0 5 COACH STREET. 
          ACTUALLY, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY THE NAME OF THE STREET IN WHICH I LIVE. 
          IT'S SPELLED KOCH. 
          THERE'S COACH, THERE'S KOCH, THERE'S A WIDE VARIETY OF THINGS. 
          HOW DO Y'ALL PRONOUNCE IT? I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW. 
          C**K COKE. 
          UH, YEAH, THERE'S INTELLIGENT PEOPLE COULD DISAGREE WITH. 
          WE'RE RIGHT THERE WITH YOU. 
          UM, ANYWAY, UM, SO I MOSTLY JUST HAVE TWO POINTS OF INQUIRY AND SOMETHING TELLS ME THAT IF, IF A PRESENTATION IS DONE, I'M SURE THAT THE ESTEEM PLANNERS COULD PROBABLY, WE WILL PROBABLY ANSWER MY QUESTION, UH, AFTER THAT, AFTER THAT PRESENTATION IS DONE. 
          BUT I JUST WANTED TO KNOW SPECIFICALLY ONE THING, UM, IF SOME I SPEAK IN REFERENCE TO ITEM NUMBER, UH, F-T-L-Z-C 20 24 0 2 3 2. 
          UM, MY POINT OF INQUIRY IS MERELY IF THESE ARE PRESENTLY ZONED AS GENERAL 
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BUSINESS, UM, DO THEY FACE ANY SORT OF CONSTRAINT IN SELLING THOSE PROPERTIES IF THEY WERE TO BE REZONED? OR DO THEY, OR IS IT, WOULD IT BE THE SAME IN TERMS OF SELLING, BUYING THOSE PROPERTIES IF THEY'RE REZONED AS MS. SU, I'M SORRY, SMU AS OPPOSED TO R TWO AND GB. 
          JUST THAT'S, THAT'S JUST ONE POINT OF INQUIRY I HAVE. 
          AND THE OTHER POINT OF INQUIRY I HAVE IS WHAT CONSISTS OF MSS MU AS OPPOSED TO JUST R TWO OR GENERAL BUSINESS? WHAT ARE THE TWO DIFFERENCES IN, IN THAT? ALRIGHT, WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN GET THAT ADDRESSED DURING THE STAFF PRESENTATION. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          [4. CONSENT AGENDA:]
ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS OUR CONSENT AGENDA. 
          WE HAVE A SINGLE ITEM FOUR A IS THE MINUTES FROM THE OCTOBER 2ND, 2024 REGULAR MEETING. 
          THERE'S NO DISCUSSION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          SO COMMISSIONERS, DO WE NEED TO PULL THOSE MINUTES FOR ANY REASON TO TALK ABOUT 'EM? IF NOT, UH, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA? SO MOVED SECOND. 
          ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE FROM COMMISSIONER WALLACE AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER. 
          BRO, THERE IS NO DISCUSSION. 
          PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE. 
          OKAY. 
          I HAVE FOUR VOTES. 
          WOULD YOU PUBLISH THAT PLEASE? WE HAVE FOUR AYES AND NONE OPPOSED THAT MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          [A.  PLSPU20240229 - Hold a public hearing and make a recommendation on a Specific Use Permit to allow a convenience store with gas pumps on approximately 2.2 acres of land zoned General Business District (GB), located at the intersection of Schertz Parkway and Live Oak Road, also known as Guadalupe County Property Identification Number 145138, City of Schertz, Guadalupe County, Texas.]
ALRIGHT, ITEM NUMBER FIVE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING. 
          AND WE HAVE SEVEN OF THOSE THIS EVENING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          STAFF . 
          UM, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WILL HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING RELATED TO ZONE CHANGE REQUESTS, SPECIFIC USE PERMIT REQUESTS AND UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENTS. 
          WITHIN THIS AGENDA, THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE OPEN TO RECEIVE A REPORT FROM STAFF, THE APPLICANT, THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS AFFECTED BY THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST, AND ANY OTHER INTERESTED PERSONS UPON COMPLETION. 
          THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE CLOSED. 
          THE COMMISSION WILL DISCUSS AND CONSIDER THE APPLICATION AND MAY REQUEST ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM STAFF OR THE APPLICANT IF REQUIRED. 
          AFTER DELIBERATION, THE COMMISSION IS ASKED TO CONSIDER AND ACT UPON THE FOLLOWING REQUESTS AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL IF NECESSARY. 
          SO I WANNA STRESS THAT ALL WE WILL DO THIS EVENING IS WE WILL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. 
          CITY COUNCIL HAS FINAL APPROVAL OF, UM, OF THESE ITEMS. SO, UH, ONCE AGAIN, UM, KIND OF WHAT I'VE JUST READ IS WE'LL, UM, I'LL READ EACH, EACH UM, PROPOSED ITEM. 
          STAFF WILL GIVE US A PRESENTATION. 
          WE MAY OR MAY NOT GET ONE FROM THE APPLICANT AT WHICH TIME I'LL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          THAT'S WHEN ANY ONE OF YOU THAT'S INTERESTED IN ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION ON THAT PARTICULAR TOPIC, WELCOME TO STEP FORWARD, JUST LIKE DURING HEARING RESIDENCE NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD IN THREE MINUTES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN, UH, WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC INPUT AND WE TALK ABOUT IT UP HERE. 
          SO ONCE I CLOSE THE PUBLIC INPUT THE, THE, THE, THE IT, IT'S, IT'S NOT A TWO-WAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, OKAY, SO, UH, FIVE A IS P-L-S-P-U 20 24 2 29 HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO ALLOW A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS PUMPS ON APPROXIMATELY 2.2 ACRES OF LAND ZONE GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF SHEZ PARKWAY AND LIVE OAK ROAD, ALSO KNOWN AS GUADALUPE COUNTY PROPERTY IDENTIFICATION NUMBER 1 4 5 1 3 8 CITY OF SHEZ, GUADALUPE COUNTY, TEXAS. 
          GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. 
          P-L-S-P-U 20 24 0 2 2 9. 
          A PROPOSED SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO ALLOW CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS PUMPS. 
          DAISY MARQUEZ PLANNER. 
          HERE IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY OUTLINED IN GREEN AND IT IS LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF SHEZ PARKWAY IN LIVE OAK ROAD. 
          IT IS APPROXIMATELY 2.2 ACRES. 
          IT IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED AND IT IS PLATTED UNDER THE COTTONWOOD TWO SUBDIVISION. 
          IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AND IT IS UNDEVELOPED TO THE NORTH. 
          OUR OTHER GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT ZONE PROPERTIES THAT ARE UNDEVELOPED TO THE EAST IS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT ARE SEVEN WITH SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES. 
          PART OF THE BENZO FARMS SUBDIVISION TO THE EAST, I MEAN TO THE WEST WE HAVE SHIRTZ PARKWAY. 
          AND THEN TO THE SOUTH WE HAVE LIVE OAK ROAD, WHICH IS A RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR. 
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SO WE SENT OUT 16 PUBLIC NOTICES ON OCTOBER 22ND. 
          UH, WE HAVE ONE IN FAVOR. 
          WE HAVE ZERO NEUTRAL AND AS OF 6:00 PM TODAY WE HAVE SIX IN OPPOSITION. 
          AND A PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE WILL BE PUBLISHED IN THE SAN ANTONIO EXPRESS BEFORE CITY COUNCIL AND TWO SIGNS WERE PLACED BY THE APPLICANT ALONG SHEZ PARKWAY AND LIVE OAK ROAD. 
          SO AS PER UDC SECTION 21 5 8, AN APPROVED SPECIFIC USE PERMIT IS REQUIRED TO ALLOW CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS PUMPS IN GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT. 
          AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS PUMPS ON APPROXIMATELY 2.2 ACRES OF LAND. 
          THAT WOULD BE PART OF A LARGER PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AS PER THE LETTER OF INTENT AND THE CITY OF SHE'S FIRE, EMS AND POLICE DEPARTMENTS HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED OF THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT REQUEST AND HAVE NOT PROVIDED OBJECTIONS OR CONCERNS TO THE REQUEST. 
          SO HERE IS AN SEP EXHIBIT. 
          AGAIN, THIS IS CONCEPTUAL, THIS WAS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT. 
          THE GREEN PORTION IS THE LAW WE ARE DISCUSSING TONIGHT. 
          AND AGAIN, UM, THIS IS, THIS WOULD BE PART OF A LARGER DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO IT WOULD BE ALL THOSE LOTS BETWEEN MERRI WAY AND LIVE OAK ROAD. 
          BUT AGAIN, THIS IS CONCEPTUAL. 
          UM, THE ONLY APPLICATION AT THE TIME FOR THIS PROPERTY IS THIS SPECIFIC USE PERMIT APPLICATION. 
          SO UDC SECTION 21 5 0 1 D LIST THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL. 
          ONE, THE PROPOSED USE AT THE SPECIFY LOCATION IS CONSISTENT WITH THE POLICIES OF THE ADOPTED COMPREHENSIVE LAND PLAN OR ANY OTHER APPLICABLE ADOPTED PLANS. 
          SO HERE IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY OUTLINED IN YELLOW. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE THAT IT IS CURRENTLY DESIGNATED AS LOCAL CORRIDOR IN THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND LOCAL CORRIDOR IS DESCRIBED AS LOCALLY ORIENTED COMMERCIAL CONSISTING OF CONVENTIONAL RETAIL AND ENTERTAINMENT AREAS THAT ARE OF SCALE AND INTENSITY COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          TYPICALLY SITUATED ALONG MEDIUM TO HIGH VOLUME COLLECTOR ROADS AND A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS PUMPS. 
          IN GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT IS NOT INCOMPATIBLE WITHIN THE LOCAL CORRIDOR LINES DESIGNATION. 
          HOWEVER, THE PROPOSED SPECIFIC USE AT THE SPECIFY LOCATION IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE POLICIES OF THE ADOPTED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          AS PREVIOUS POLICY HAS SET THAT GAS PUMPS ARE NOT COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS TO THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PURPOSE AND INTENT OF THE APPLICABLE ZONING DISTRICT REGULATIONS. 
          AND AS PER UDC SECTION 2 1 5 6 C, THE PURPOSE AND INTENT OF GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT IS TO PROVIDE A SUITABLE AREA FOR DEVELOPMENT OF NON-RESIDENTIAL USES, WHICH OFFER A WIDE VARIETY OF RETAIL AND SERVICES ESTABLISHMENTS THAT ARE GENERALLY ORIENTED TOWARDS SERVING THE OVERALL NEEDS OF THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY THAT ARE LOCATED ALONG PRINCIPAL TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS. 
          A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS PUMPS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PURPOSE AND INTENT OF THE APPLICABLE ZONING DISTRICT. 
          AND ALTHOUGH THE PROPOSED SUP IS COMPATIBLE WITH GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, THE PROPOSED GAS PUMPS ARE NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO THE REAR THREE. 
          THE PROPOSED USE IS COMPATIBLE WITH AND PRESERVES THE CHARACTER AND INTEGRITY OF THE ADJACENT DEVELOPMENTS IN NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO THE PROPOSED SEP TO ALLOW CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS PUMPS AT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF SHEZ PARKWAY AND LIVE OAK ROAD AND IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT KNOWN AS BENZO FARMS AND WITH POLICY SET FORTH BY CITY COUNCIL WITH DENIALS OF SIMILAR SPECIFIC USE PERMIT APPLICATIONS. 
          THE PROPOSED CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS PUMPS IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. 
          FOUR. 
          THE PROPOSED USE WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE OVERALL HEALTH, SAFETY OR JOB OF OUR FOR THE CITY. 
          SO AS PART OF PROMOTING HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE, THE CITY SHOULD ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING USES, UTILIZING STANDARDS AND TRANSITIONAL USES TO ALLEVIATE NEGATIVE IMPACTS. 
          SO ARTICLE NINE OF THE UDC REQUIRES ADDITIONAL SCREENING BETWEEN NON-RESIDENTIAL AND SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEX ZONED OR USED PROPERTIES. 
          AND THIS PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AND ANY DEVELOPMENT AT THE SITE WOULD REQUIRE AN EIGHT FOOT MASONRY WALL WITH ONE TREE EVERY 30 LINEAR FEET THAT IS ADJACENT TO SINGLE FAMILY AND DUPLEX ZONED AND USED PROPERTIES WHICH WOULD BE EVALUATED DURING THE SITE PLAN PROCESS. 
          THE PROPOSED SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO ALLOW CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS PUMPS DOES AFFECT THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND GENERAL WELFARE OF THE CITY. 
          POLICY SET WITH PREVIOUS DENIALS SHOWS THAT THE CONVENIENCE STORES WITH GAS PUMPS ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIALS NOT DESIRED, EVEN IF LOCATED ALONG A PRINCIPAL ARTERIAL AS IT IS STILL SEEN AS ADVERSELY AFFECTING THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. 
          SO FIVE, WHETHER OTHER FACTORS ARE DEEMED RELEVANT AND IMPORTANT IN CONSIDERATION OF THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. 
          SO A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS PUMPS REQUIRES AN APPROVED SPECIFIC USE PERMIT WITHIN GENERAL BUSINESS DIS GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT TWO AND MANUFACTURING DISTRICT LIGHT. 
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A CONVENIENCE STORE WITHOUT GAS PUMPS IS ALLOWED BY WRIGHT AND NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES DISTRICT, GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AND GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT TWO AND MANUFACTURING DISTRICT LIGHT. 
          THE GAS PUMPS ARE WHAT REQUIRE THE APPLICANT TO SUBMIT AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT WITHIN GENERAL BUSINESS. 
          SO THE CITY OF SHE'S PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MADE A RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL AND CITY COUNCIL DENIED A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT REQUEST FOR A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS PUMPS PROPOSED AT THE CORNER OF FM 1518 AND SCHAFER. 
          THE DENY REQUEST WAS ALSO ADJACENT TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES AND THE PROPOSED SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO ALLOW CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS PUMPS IS ALSO IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOMES AND IS LOCATED ALONG SHORTZ PARKWAY, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS DENIAL. 
          SO WITH THAT, DUE TO THE POLICY SET FORTH WITH DENIAL OF SIMILAR SPECIFIC USE PERMITS TO ALLOW CONVENIENCE STORES WITH GAS PUMPS AT GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT PROPERTIES ADJACENT TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING DENIAL OF P-L-S-P-U 20 24 0 2 2 9 AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU DAISY. 
          DOES THE APPLICANT WANT TO MAKE A PRESENTATION? NO, I GUESS NOT. 
          DAISY, WOULD YOU COME BACK AND, AND PUT THE, UH, CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN BACK UP FOR EVERYBODY TO SEE? I THINK IT'D BE GOOD TO TO HAVE THAT TO THERE WHILE, WHILE WE'RE TALKING. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND BEAR WITH ME A MINUTE, THEY HAVEN'T SET THE CLOCK, UH, CORRECTLY UP THERE, SO I HAVE TO PAUSE FOR A SECOND TO MAKE SURE I CALL OUT THE RIGHT TIME. 
          UM, IT IS NOW UH, 6:16 PM AND I WILL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THIS TOPIC IS WELCOME TO STEP FORWARD. 
          PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND TRY TO LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES. 
          ANYONE? NO? YEAH, I THOUGHT THIS, I THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE THE HOT ONE TONIGHT. 
          I GUESS I'M WRONG. 
          SO, HI, GOOD EVENING. 
          MY NAME IS ERIC TROUTMAN. 
          I LIVE AT 6 0 6 BENS HILL GROVE. 
          ALRIGHT SIR, WILL YOU DO ME A FAVOR AND PULL THE MIC UP A LITTLE BIT? UH, HEAR ME NOW? THAT'S BETTER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ERIC TROUTMAN, 6 0 6 SIL GROVE. 
          UH, I AGREE, UH, WITH IT, UH, DENIAL OF THIS. 
          UM, WE CURRENTLY HAVE A GAS STATION THAT IS CURRENTLY RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM BENFIELD FARMS AND WE DON'T SEE NO REASON TO HAVE ANOTHER ONE THERE. 
          UM, AND UH, TWO BLOCKS DOWN THERE'S ANOTHER GAS STATION. 
          SO I DON'T SEE A REASON TO APPROVE ANOTHER GAS STATION THAT IS REALLY CLOSE TO EACH OTHER. 
          UM, IF IT WAS ON LIKE FM 78 OR 3 0 0 9, I COULD SEE A GAS STATION BEING PUT THERE. 
          UH, 'CAUSE THERE'S NOT REALLY THAT MANY GAS STATIONS AROUND THERE, BUT FOR A SMALL COMMUNITY I DON'T SEE A REASON TO HAVE A ANOTHER GAS STATION SO CLOSE TO EACH OTHER. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SIR. 
          COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, WAS UP HERE EARLIER. 
          GARY DREW BAY 6 5 2 COLT TRAIL, UH, SILL FARMS. UH, I DON'T THINK ANY OF MY NEIGHBORS CAME HERE HOPING WE WOULD GET THE GAS STATION, SO WE'D KIND OF WANT THAT ON THE RECORD. 
          I DON'T THINK. 
          CERTAINLY WE DO NOT. 
          UH, WE ALSO HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANK. 
          SOUNDS LIKE WE CONCUR WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          IT'S NOT AN APPROPRIATE PLACE. 
          AS MY EARLIER, MY NEIGHBOR SAID, THE GAS STATION DOES SIT DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM A GAS STATION. 
          AND THERE'S SOME CONCERN IN OUR PART THAT THE ENTRANCES INTO BIN CELL FARMS WOULD PROBABLY BECOME REALLY CONVENIENT FOR PEOPLE TRYING TO MANEUVER INTO THE GAS STATION. 
          SO HE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF TRAFFIC TRYING TO MOVE THROUGH BIN CELL FARMS TO GET INTO THE GAS STATION AT DIFFERENT ANGLES. 
          UH, AND THEN FINALLY, WE WERE JUST, UH, UH, CONCERNED THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY, WE, WE KINDA HATE HAVING TO, YOU KNOW, VOICE CONCERNS, BUT IT, IT SEEMS LIKE THE OVERALL CONCEPT, NOT NECESSARILY A PROBLEM. 
          AND WE ALL KIND OF MOVED IN WITH THAT INTENT THAT THERE WOULD BE THAT TYPE OF WORK OR THAT TYPE OF BUSINESS. 
          WE DIDN'T MOVE IN WITH THE INTENT THAT THERE WOULD BE GAS PUMPS, SO WE WOULD LIKE JUST REGISTER. 
          UH, WE WOULD NOT LIKE THAT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THANKS. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          SO I'M HEATHER HAYGOOD. 
          I'M REPRESENTING 8 21 EAST LIVE OAK ROAD SHIRTS EXPRESS MART. 
          I'M AN EMPLOYEE THERE. 
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IT'S A FAMILY OWNED BUSINESS AND OUR PRIMARY CONCERN IS IT'S GONNA CRIPPLE OUR BUSINESS IF THERE'S ANOTHER GAS STATION DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM US. 
          UM, I PERSONALLY WORK REALLY HARD TO SERVICE THIS COMMUNITY EVERY DAY, AND I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE A VERY LOYAL CUSTOMER BASE, BUT I ALSO AM CONCERNED THAT WE WOULD LOSE A LOT OF THAT BUSINESS IF WE GOT A NEW STORE ACROSS THE STREET. 
          HI, MY NAME'S ROCHELLE SCHRADER. 
          I AM AT 7 0 4 COL TRAIL. 
          I HAVE SEVERAL CONCERNS REGARDING THE GAS STATION, WHICH WERE MENTIONED, UM, ONE OF THE PRIMARY ONES BEING HEALTH AND ENVIRONMENTAL HAZARDS. 
          IN FACT, COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE US HAVE EXPERIENCED FIRSTHAND THE SEVERE HEALTH AND ENVIRONMENTAL CONSEQUENCES OF GAS STATION EMISSIONS. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, IN MIAMI-DADE COUNTY, FLORIDA RESIDENTS LIVING NEAR A GAS STATION REPORTED FREQUENT HEADACHES, DIZZINESS, AND RESPIRATORY IRRITATION FROM BENZENE EXPOSURE PROMPTING PUBLIC OUTCRY. 
          SIMILARLY, IN WOBURN, MASSACHUSETTS, THE VOC CONTAMINATION FROM GAS STATIONS AND NEARBY SITES WAS ASSOCIATED WITH TRA A TRAGIC CLUSTER OF CHILDHOOD LEUKEMIA CASES, EMPHASIZING THE POTENTIALLY DEAD RISKS OF PROLONGED EXPOSURE TO SUCH POLLUTANTS. 
          UM, AND I HAVE, I HAVE TWO CHILDREN, AND THE LAST THING I WOULD WANT IS TO MOVE INTO A HOME THAT GAVE THEM CANCER. 
          AND THEN I CAN'T SELL BECAUSE I'M UNDERWATER BECAUSE THE PROPERTY DEVALUE DIMINISHED BECAUSE RIGHT OUTSIDE MY BACK FENCE IS A GAS STATION. 
          SO NOW I CAN'T EVEN SELL, I'M BURDENED WITH THE HEALTHCARE COSTS AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR NOR SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE IMPLEMENTED. 
          BESIDES THAT, THERE ARE THE SAFETY RISKS, WHICH HE MENTIONED REGARDING THE CONGESTION OF TRAFFIC IN THE ROAD THAT THEY WILL MORE THAN LIKELY UTILIZE TO GET IN THERE. 
          AND THEN IT'S RIGHT BY A LIGHT. 
          SO WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH, YOU KNOW, MORNING TRAFFIC AND EVENING TRAFFIC WITH THE KIDS WALKING TO SCHOOL AND EVERYTHING, AND THAT LIGHT BEING RIGHT BY THE GAS STATION, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE MORE ACCIDENTS. 
          WE ALREADY SEE 'EM BY THE GAS STATION NEXT DOOR. 
          AND THEN AGAIN, THE NEGATIVE IMPACT ON PROPERTY VALUES. 
          TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, IN BEVERLY HILLS, CALIFORNIA, THE CONSTRUCTION OF A GAS STATION NEAR A HIGH VALUE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD LED TO A NOTICEABLE DECREASE IN PROPERTY DEMAND AND RESALE PRICES AS THE CONSTANT NOISE LIGHTING AN INCREASE IN TRAFFIC, DISCOURAGED POTENTIAL BUYERS. 
          UM, THIS CASE UNDERSCORES THE FINANCIAL IMPACT GAS STATIONS CAN HAVE ON NEARBY HOMES, THREATENING PROPERTY VALUES FOR LOCAL RESIDENTS AND AFFECTING THEIR LONG-TERM INVESTMENTS. 
          AND THEN SPEAKING OF THAT, THEY PUT THE GAS STATION IN AND, YOU KNOW, THEIR STORE OVERCOMES IT AND THEN THEY GO VACANT BECAUSE THEY DON'T MAKE MONEY. 
          NOW WE HAVE A VACANT GAS STATION AND THEN ALL THE LOITERS THAT ARE THERE, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS NOT GATED. 
          AND SO WE HAVE THE RISK OF, UH, SAFETY AND NOW OUR KIDS CAN'T PLAY OUTSIDE BECAUSE OF THE, THE OTHER PEOPLE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE MOVED INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE IT WAS ONLY GONNA BE 85 HOMES, A SMALL CLOSE KNIT COMMUNITY. 
          BUT NOW WITH THAT GAS STATION, THERE'S A POTENTIAL THREAT OF OTHERS INVADING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND THEN JUST THE AESTHETIC AND COMMUNITY CONCERNS. 
          OUR NEIGHBORHOOD'S A VERY NICE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY NO HOUSE IS UNDER $300,000. 
          IT JUST DOESN'T GO WITH THE AESTHETIC. 
          IT'S NOT WHY WE BOUGHT OUR HOMES IN THAT AREA. 
          AND THEN THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES THAT WOULD BETTER SERVE THE, THE COMMUNITY IN THAT AREA, WHETHER IT BE, YOU KNOW, A DOCTOR'S OFFICE AT A VET, UM, A DAYCARE. 
          I THINK WE ALL WOULD GET BEHIND SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD, WHICH WOULD ADD POSITIVE VALUE TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO IN CONCLUSION, UM, DUE TO SUBSTANTIAL HEALTH, SAFETY, ENVIRONMENTAL AND COMMUNITY RISK, I RESPECTFULLY REQUESTED THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION REJECT THE PROPOSAL TO PLACE A GAS STATION ON THIS PROPERTY. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          DANIEL CALON, 6 8 4 COLT TRAIL, SHERTZ, TEXAS. 
          BASICALLY, I LIKE TO SUPPORT WHAT EVERYBODY HAS SAID. 
          THERE'S TWO GAS STATIONS NEARBY, SO THERE'S, FROM THE NEAT STANDPOINT, THERE'S NO NEED FOR A THIRD GAS STATION WITH A ONE MILE RADIUS. 
          AND THEN ON HIGHWAY 78, UH, QTS BUILDING ANOTHER GAS STATION. 
          THE OTHER THING IS THE ISSUE WITH THE, UH, PROPERTY VALUES. 
          THERE'S CONCERN FOR THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HI, MY NAME IS JOYCE TEAGUE. 
          I'M AT 6 0 7 BEN SILL GROVE. 
          UM, AND I CONCUR WITH MY NEIGHBORS. 
          IT'S A VERY SMALL, TIGHT-KNIT COMMUNITY. 
          UM, AND I WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT SAFETY. 
          UM, WE WOULD 
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HAVE TOO MANY PEOPLE COMING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND RIGHT NOW IT IS THE 85 HOUSES AND THERE'S HARDLY ANY PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT OF THERE UNLESS THEY LIVE THERE. 
          UM, AND ALSO FOR LIGHT POLLUTION, UM, I WOULD FEEL BAD FOR THOSE NEIGHBOR AT THE FRONT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO DEAL WITH GAS TRUCKS COMING AND GOING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. 
          UM, AND JUST THE INCOMING PEOPLE COMING TO A GAS STATION. 
          AND THEN, UH, JUST FOR THE SAFETY FOR OUR HEALTH, AS SHE WAS SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THEY HAD A FIRE, IF THEY HAD AN OVERFLOW OF THE GAS OR WHATEVER ELSE, THAT WHEN WE ALL BOUGHT IN THERE AND WE HAVEN'T BEEN IN THERE THAT MANY YEARS, UM, WE DIDN'T EXPECT ANYTHING LIKE THIS TO COME IN. 
          SO I DEFINITELY DO NOT WANT THAT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          MY NAME IS MICHELLE MCCOY DREWE, AND I'M AT 6 5 2 COLT TRAIL. 
          AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO REITERATE, UM, MY, UM, REQUEST THAT WE DENY THIS APPLICATION. 
          UM, OTHER ADDITIONAL ITEMS OTHER THAN SECURITY AND TRAFFIC FLOW COMING IN THROUGH THAT VERY TIGHT SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, THE IMPACTS THERE, BUT ALSO, UH, LIGHTING HOURS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, UM, WOULD REALLY JUST MAKE OUR SMALL LITTLE AREA REALLY NO LONGER PRIVATE. 
          AND THAT'S, AGAIN, AS EVERYBODY ELSE HAS REITERATED, WE DIDN'T BUY IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TO BE IMPACTED BY, I DON'T KNOW, THE HOURS OF THIS, UM, PROPOSED GAS STATION, BUT LIGHTING AT NIGHT, TRAFFIC AT NIGHT, ALL HOURS, IT WOULD REALLY CHANGE THE WHOLE DYNAMIC OF THAT SMALL LITTLE COMMUNITY. 
          AND I DON'T THINK WITH THE ALREADY EXISTING GAS STATION ACROSS THE STREET, UM, THAT IT REALLY WARRANTS A SECOND ONE, ESPECIALLY IN THAT SPECIFIC AREA. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYONE ELSE? HI. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          YEAH, YOU, YOU CAN JUST GRAB IT AND PULL IT. 
          PULL PULL THE WHOLE THING DOWN. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          ALL RIGHTY. 
          MY NAME IS NIA TROUTMAN. 
          I'M AT 6 0 6 BENFIELD GROVE. 
          UM, MY HUSBAND AND MY NEIGHBORS PRETTY MUCH SAID MOSTLY OF EVERYTHING, UM, THAT I WANNA SAY, BUT I JUST WANNA JUST REITERATE THAT AGAIN, WE WERE KIND OF FIRST IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE BOUGHT IN THAT AREA, UM, BECAUSE WE LIKED THE AREA AND THE, UM, NOT TOO CONGESTED. 
          SO I AM AGAINST THIS GAS STATION AND CONVENIENCE STORE IF IT'S JUST A CONVENIENCE STORE AS WELL. 
          I WOULD WANNA SAY I'M NOT FOR THAT EITHER. 
          AGAIN, WE HAVE THE GAS STATION ACROSS THE STREET. 
          I WALK THERE MYSELF. 
          UM, PLEASANT WALK. 
          I DON'T CARE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, MORE NOISE, CONGESTION, SAFETY, EVEN LITTER BECAUSE IF YOU NOTICE SOME AREAS WHEN YOU HAVE GAS STATIONS AND OR CONVENIENCE STORES, YOU HAVE AN INFLUX OF, YOU KNOW, UM, LITTER AND, AND OTHER CONGESTIONS. 
          SO I JUST WANNA SAY THAT I'M A AGAINST THE GAS STATION AND OR CONVENIENCE STORE BEING PUT IN THAT AREA. 
          ANYONE ELSE? THEY, THEY'RE BEING VERY WELL BEHAVED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          . 
          NO ONE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SEE THAT? THAT'S WHY I KIND OF TAKE MY TIME AND ASK. 
          DON'T DON'T, DON'T BE SHY IF YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING TO SAY, COME ON UP. 
          UM, BEFORE YOU START, LET ME, LET ME SAY SOMETHING REAL QUICK. 
          YES. 
          UH, BECAUSE I TOLD YOU ALL WE'RE GONNA DO IS MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. 
          CITY COUNCIL WILL HAVE FINAL APPROVAL. 
          WELL, THIS IS BEING BOTH LIVE STREAMED AND RECORDED AND CITY COUNCIL WILL WATCH THIS RECORDING BEFORE THEIR MEETING. 
          SO THEY WILL, UH, THEY WILL SEE YOUR COMMENTS HERE AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY AT, IF YOU ATTEND THE COUNCIL MEETING, YOU'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK THERE. 
          SO, UM, IF YOU, IF YOU THINK YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY, UH, BY ALL MEANS GO AHEAD. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OH, NO, THAT'S FINE. 
          AHEAD. 
          MY NAME IS VANESSA EDTA AND I LIVE AT 6 3 1 VIN SEAL GROVE. 
          AND, UH, JUST AS MY NEIGHBORS HAVE SAID THE SAME THING, I REITERATE THAT MY CHILDREN, I HAVE YOUNG CHILDREN AND I WANT THEM TO BE SAFE. 
          I FEEL LIKE THERE'S GONNA BE MORE CONGESTION IN THAT AREA IF WE DO GET THAT GAS STATION AS WELL AS, UM, YOU KNOW, HEALTH SAFETY. 
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SO I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT I DO NOT WANT THIS AS WELL. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          ANYONE ELSE? NOBODY GOING ONCE, TWICE. 
          OKAY. 
          IT IS, UH, 6:30 PM AND THE PUBLIC INPUT FOR, I'M SORRY, THAT'S THE TIMER. 
          I KIND OF RUN A BACKUP TIMER TO THE, TO THE ONE ON THE, THE, UM, SPEAKER STAND THERE. 
          AND I DIDN'T REALIZE THE SOUND WAS GONNA BE ON. 
          SO IT IS, UM, 6:30 PM AND THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. 
          COMMISSIONERS, I CAN START IF Y'ALL, UH, SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS COMES BACK TO THE SAME ISSUE I HAD WITH THE LAST ONE WHERE JUST TAKING NOTES THROUGH MOST OF THE COMMENT, A LOT OF IT IS ABOUT SPECIFICALLY THIS USE. 
          IT'S NOT NECESSARILY, UM, OPPOSITION TO SOMETHING BEING BUILT. 
          IT'S, IT'S REALLY WORRIED ABOUT THE GAS STATION AND WHAT IT BRINGS. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M GONNA BE OPPOSED TO THIS HUNTER. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          UH, SO I, UH, AGREE WITH MY ESTEEMED COLLEAGUE, UH, REGARDING THE, UH, THE SPECIFIC USE, RIGHT? AND THIS CAME UP BEFORE, AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ADDRESSED WHEN WE, UH, DISCUSSED THIS ISSUE OVER ON 1518, UH, WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, SHIRT'S A SMALL COMMUNITY AND, UH, AND PEOPLE MOVE HERE FOR VARIOUS DIFFERENT REASONS, UH, BUT THE SENSE OF COMMUNITY, UH, SEEMS TO BE, UH, A COMMON THEME THAT I HEAR. 
          AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WHEN THAT CAME UP WAS, SO THE VACANT LOTS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF ANY NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU CAN DRIVE AROUND, UH, THE COMMUNITY AND THERE ARE VACANT LOTS OUTSIDE OF A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          UH, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, I THINK WAS MENTIONED THAT WE ENCOURAGE IS, UH, FOR THE CITIZENS THAT THAT LIVE HERE TO, TO GET ACTIVELY ENGAGED, UH, BEFORE SOMETHING, UH, IS DUMPED UPON YOU THAT YOU DON'T NECESSARILY WANT OR DESIRE TO HAVE OUTSIDE YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, TO ACTUALLY BE, UH, ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY, WHETHER THE PLANS FOR THE PROPERTY, UH, EVEN MAKING SUGGESTIONS ABOUT WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE, UH, IN AND AROUND YOUR COMMUNITY THAT WOULD HELP SERVICE THE COMMUNITY AND YOUR NEEDS. 
          SO I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE YOU, UH, TO BE ACTIVELY ENGAGED IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS, UH, BEFORE ANY DEVELOPER COMES IN AND SAYS THAT WE WANT TO MAKE MONEY, SO THEREFORE WE WANT TO PUT THIS THING HERE, UH, WHETHER YOU DESIRE IT OR NOT. 
          SO I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO THAT. 
          AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR THE TIME. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS FROM CITY STAFF AND, UH, FROM THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE HERE AND ON PROJECTS LIKE THIS IN THE PAST, I'VE NOT SUPPORTED THEM FOR THE SAME REASON. 
          THE CITY STATES, UM, IF THIS WOULD'VE APPROACHED US BEFORE SILL FARMS WAS BUILT, I'D BE ALL FOR IT. 
          UM, BUT HAVING SILL FARMS THERE, UH, IN AN ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR THREE OR FOUR YEARS OR MORE, UM, I, I DON'T LIKE THE FACT OF PUTTING, EXCUSE ME, A GAS STATION THIS CLOSE TO, UH, AN ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO I'LL STICK WITH MY OPINION IN VOTING IN THE PAST AND, UH, I WON'T SUPPORT THIS ONE THIS EVENING. 
          I DID WANT TO ASK, UH, CITY STAFF, WHAT IS DFH COVENTRY? IS THAT THE BUILDER OR IS THAT A COMPANY THAT BUYS HOMES FOR RENT? DO YOU KNOW? ANYBODY KNOW? OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ARE YOU GONNA ADDRESS THE OTHER COMMENTS? YES. 
          OKAY, I'LL LOVE THAT. 
          THANK YOU . 
          NO, YOU KNOW ME. 
          YOU'RE NOT GETTING OFF THAT EASY. 
          UM, SLIDE NUMBER EIGHT, PLEASE, IF YOU WOULD IN YOUR PRESENTATION. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          SO, UM, WHAT IS THAT PARAGRAPH FOUR? A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH 
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GAS PUMPS IN GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT IS NOT INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE LOCAL CORRIDOR LAND USE DESIGNATION. 
          HOWEVER, THE PROPOSED SPECIFIC USE AT THE SPECIF SPECIFIED LOCATION IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE POLICIES ADOPTED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS PREVIOUS POLICY IS SET THAT GAS PUMPS ARE NOT COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          WELL, NUMBER ONE, UH, I I I WANTED TO OFFER SOME, UH, A CRITIQUE OF YOUR WORDING. 
          IT WOULD, WOULD BE MUCH BETTER TO SAY IS RATHER THAN SAYING IS NOT INCOMPATIBLE, SAY IS COMPATIBLE. 
          OKAY. 
          UNLESS YOU MEANT TO SAY INCOMPATIBLE AND THE KNOT SNUCK IN THERE SOMEWHERE. 
          I'M, I'M NOT SURE SAYING, UM, SLIDE NUMBER 11, UM, ADDRESSES, UH, YOU ADDRESSED, YOU, YOU, YOU MENTIONED OTHER DENIALS. 
          WHAT, UH, OTHER THAN THE ONE ON 1518, HAVE THERE BEEN OTHERS? THIS WAS SPECIFICALLY REFERRING TO THE ONE ON 1518. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, BEHIND WILLOW GROVE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, I, I JUST WANTED TO, UM, MAKE IT KNOWN THAT MY OBJECTION TO THE ONE ON 1518 WAS THE ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY, UH, BEING OFF THE ENTRANCE TO THE RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION, NOT THE GAS PUMPS PER SE. 
          UM, SO LET ME, UH, I, I, I JOTTED DOWN, UM, UH, UH, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FROM THE, FROM THE RESIDENTS AND LET ME ADDRESS THOSE. 
          UH, CERTAINLY A COUPLE OF YOU MENTIONED YOU DON'T NEED ANOTHER, ANOTHER GAS STATION. 
          I DON'T NECESSARILY DISAGREE WITH YOU, BUT THE CITY DOESN'T REGULATE NEED. 
          THOSE ARE BUSINESS DECISIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND I FREQUENTLY, WELL, I I, I DON'T BUY A LOT OF GAS. 
          UH, ONE THING YOU, YOU, YOU FOLKS HAVE GOT GOING FOR YOU OVER HERE ON THE CORNER IS YOU'RE A VALERO STATION AND I'M A VALERO CUSTOMER. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, BUT, UM, SO, UM, I, YEAH, I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A, THAT'S ECONOMICS AND I, AND I HAVE TO ASSUME THAT IF SOMEONE COMES IN AND WANTS TO DO SOMETHING, UH, SOMETHING IN THEIR MARKET RESEARCH IS SHOWN, THEY CAN MAKE IT WORK. 
          UM, THERE'S A, UM, WE HAD ONE A MONTH OR TWO AGO WHERE RIGHT NEXT TO A BUILDING THAT USED TO BE A CAR WASH. 
          THEY WANT TO BUILD A CAR WASH. 
          AND THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, THE, IT, THE, IN MY MIND IT MADE NO SENSE, BUT APPARENTLY THEY HAVE SOME MARKET STUDY THAT SAYS THEY, THERE'S A NEED FOR ANOTHER CAR WASH AND THEY CAN MAKE MONEY, UM, ADDRESSING THE UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANKS. 
          I'M THE RETIRED FARM MARSHAL FROM HERE IN SHEZ. 
          I SPENT, UH, 20 YEARS DOING THAT JOB. 
          AND, UH, AMONG THE MANY THINGS I DID WERE, UM, TANK INSPECTIONS ON INSTALLATION. 
          UM, AND, UM, WHAT WE HAVE NOW, WHAT THEY PUT IN THE GROUND NOW ARE, ARE DOUBLE WALLED, UH, TANKS, AND THEY'RE VAULTED. 
          AND THEN THEY HAVE LEAK MONITORING SYSTEMS, UH, TO ENSURE THAT IF THERE IS A LEAK, THEY KNOW ABOUT IT. 
          UH, BUT YOU HAVE THE DOUBLE WALL TANK TO, TO START THE PROCESS OF CONTAINMENT. 
          AND THEN YOU HAVE THE, THE, UM, UM, THE CONTAINMENT AROUND THE TANK ITSELF. 
          AND THOSE ARE TESTED BEFORE THEY'RE INSTALLED THERE. 
          THERE'S, UM, UH, A PRESSURE CHEST REQUIRED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TANK IS, IS IN FACT INTACT AND NOT LEAKY LEAKING. 
          UM, HEALTH AND SAFETY. 
          UH, WE, WE, WE'VE, WE'VE HEARD THE ARGUMENT, UH, AS, AS STAFF POINTS OUT THAT WE JUST RECENTLY, WE, WE LOOKED AT ONE DOWN ON 1518, AND THAT'S WHERE WE FIRST STARTED TO SEE THE COMMENTS ABOUT THE, UM, YOU DON'T REMEMBER THE CHEMICAL, UM, BENZENE. 
          BENZENE, OKAY. 
          UM, AND I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT TO TELL YOU ABOUT THAT. 
          I, I, I, I DON'T WANT TO SAY IT'S NOT TRUE, BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN I GO TO THE GAS STATION, I DON'T SEE ANY WARNING SIGNS. 
          UM, AND IT COULD BE THAT MAYBE THE RESEARCH IS JUST BEHIND AND THEY HAVEN'T CAUGHT UP YET. 
          SO, UH, THAT'S KIND OF THE ONE WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S, UM, UH, I, I, I KINDA WAFFLE ON THAT ONE A LITTLE BIT, BUT, UH, CERTAINLY NOBODY WANTS TO PUT A, UM, A CANCER GENERATOR RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, AND LET ME SAY, UM, IT, 
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IT'S A, IT'S A, UM, I DON'T WANNA SAY IT'S UNIQUE, BUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THAT ENTIRE PROPERTY IS ZONE, GENERAL BUSINESS. 
          AND, UM, SO WITHIN, UH, WITHIN EACH ZONING DISTRICT, WE HAVE WHAT'S CALLED BUY RIGHT. 
          AND THERE'S A LIST OF WHAT YOU CAN BUILD IN GENERAL BUSINESS WITHOUT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME IN AND GET IT REZONED. 
          ALL YOU HAVE TO DO BASICALLY IS PULL YOUR BUILDING PERMITS. 
          SO ONE OF THOSE BUY RIGHT USES IS A CONVENIENCE STORE, NO GAS PUMPS, WHICH SOMEBODY DIDN'T WANT. 
          ONE OF THE OTHER USES IS A GAS STATION WITH NO CONVENIENCE STORE, WHICH YOU DON'T WANT. 
          SO IT, IT'S A QUIRK OF OUR, OF OUR ZONING CODE THAT IF YOU WANT TO DO BOTH, IF YOU WANT TO CONVENIENCE STORE AND GAS PUMPS, THEN YOU GOTTA COME IN HERE AND GET AN SUP. 
          UM, HONESTLY, THESE DAYS I HAVE NOT SEEN GAS PUMPS BUILT BY THEMSELVES UNLESS THEY PUT IN, UH, WE HAVE ONE AUTOMATED STATION AND IT'S UP ON NORTHERN THREE, UH, 3 0 0 9 UP BY THE INDUSTRIAL PARK. 
          UM, BUT THEY COULD IN THEORY COME IN AND PUT ONE OF THOSE IN AND, UM, IT'S ZONED FOR THAT. 
          UM, AND THEN THERE'S A WHOLE LIST, YOU KNOW, OF, UH, OF WHAT THEY COULD BUILD THERE WITHOUT HAVING TO ASK ANYBODY, UM, LIVE OAK ROAD, WHO WANTS TO TALK ABOUT LIVE OAK ROAD? YOU WANT ME TO TALK ABOUT IT? YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT? OKAY. 
          I HAVE NO IDEA OF WHAT THE TIMING IS, BUT LIVE OAK ROAD IS ON THE MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLAN TO BE A THROUGH ROAD, AND IT WILL CURVE AROUND THE SUBDIVISION, UH, ALONG THE EDGE OF THE, UM, DRAINAGE CHANNEL AND CONNECT TO MASSEY ROAD. 
          AND IT WILL THEN BE A THROUGH STREET FROM 3 0 0 9 ACROSS SHE PARK WAY TO MASSEY ROAD, DOWN TO FM 1518. 
          UM, WHEN THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN, TYPICALLY, UM, THE CITY WOULD WAIT. 
          THE CITY WOULDN'T FUND IT, BASICALLY AS DEVELOPMENT AS SOMEBODY COMES ON IN TO EXTEND THE SUBDIVISION, THEN THEY WOULD ALSO BUILD THE ROAD. 
          THAT'S HOW IT USED TO WORK. 
          UM, IT'S A LITTLE, IT'S A LITTLE CONVOLUTED NOW SINCE THE, THE LEGISLATURE HAS CHANGED SOME OF THE RULES. 
          WE CAN'T REQUIRE THEM TO DO THAT ANYMORE. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT THAT, I WANNA TELL YOU, THAT'S THE LONG RANGE GOAL IS THAT LIVE OAK ROAD WILL BE A THROUGH STREET. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS DESIGNATED, PROBABLY A COLLECTOR, I WOULD GUESS IT'S IDENTIFIED AS A RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR IN THE MASTER DARFIELD PLAN. 
          SO AGAIN, MY OBJECTION TO THE ONE ON 1518 WAS BECAUSE, UM, NOBODY WAS TALKING ACCESS FROM 1518. 
          THEY WERE, THEY HAD A DRIVEWAY ON SHAFER ROAD AND THEY HAD A DRIVEWAY ON THE ACTUAL ENTRANCE TO THE SUBDIVISION. 
          AND I OBJECTED TO THAT. 
          UM, FOR INSTANCE, UH, IS THAT WHATEVER THAT ENTRANCE TO YOUR SUBDIVISION THERE IS OFF LIVE OAK ROAD. 
          UM, IF HE, IF HIS DRIVEWAY WAS THERE, IT, UH, I, I WOULD TAKE EXCEPTION TO IT. 
          YOU CAN LEAVE THIS UP HERE. 
          'CAUSE THE, I'M GONNA MAKE A COUPLE POINTS. 
          UM, WE'RE KIND OF BREAKING, I DON'T WANNA SAY IT'S NEW GROUND, BUT IT'S RELATIVELY RECENT. 
          WE, WE DIS WELL WE RECOMMENDED DISAPPROVAL AND COUNCIL DISAPPROVE THE ONE OUT ON 1518, AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE ARGUMENTS WERE. 
          I KNOW MINE WAS ACCESS. 
          UM, BUT YOU LOOK AT THIS CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN AND THIS, THE, THE GAS FUNDS THEMSELVES ARE ALL THE WAY OUT ON THE CORNER. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ABOUT AS, UH, THEY'RE ABOUT AS FAR AWAY FROM THE HOUSES FROM THE HOMES AS YOU CAN GET. 
          AND THE OTHER THING IS YOU DRIVE THROUGH SHIRTS, YOU SEE THESE ALL OVER THE PLACE. 
          WE HAVE, WE HAVE THE, THE VALERO RIGHT OVER HERE WITH HOUSES BEHIND IT. 
          WE HAVE, UH, YOU GO UP THREE DOUBLE NINE, WE HAVE THE, UM, WHAT USED TO BE THE TIGER TOTE AND, AND NOW IS A, A VALERO, IT'S SURROUNDED BY HOMES. 
          UH, THEY'RE ALL OVER THE CITY. 
          SO I'M NOT SURE THAT THE ONE DENIAL, UM, OUT THERE ON 1518 UHOH, I'M, I'M IN TROUBLE. 
          HERE COMES THE MAN . 
          ANYWAY, WHAT WAS I GONNA SAY IS I'M NOT SURE THAT ONE DENIAL IS, IT REALLY SETS THE, THE BAR YET. 
          BUT GO, GO AHEAD BRIAN. 
          SO, SO I THINK MAYBE WHAT STAFF WOULD APPRECIATE CLARIFICATION ON IS LIVE OAK ROAD, AS DAISY 
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SAID, IS A RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR. 
          SCHAFER ROAD, AS YOU MENTIONED, IS A RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR. 
          YEAH. 
          MAYOR WAY IS THE ENTRANCE TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          AS WAS, AND I, I DON'T RECALL THE NAME OF THE STREET ON THE OTHER SIDE. 
          ESSENTIALLY. 
          IT'S FLIPPED THOUGH, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          COLLECTOR NORTH RESIDENTIAL STREET. 
          SO, SO MAYBE IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR STAFF FOR YOU TO ARTICULATE HOW THE ACCESS ON THIS IS DIFFERENT THEN THAT ACCESS THAT AGAIN, OTHER THAN THE, THE, THE, THE DRIVE DIRECTLY UNDER SHE'S PARKWAY, THE, THE CONCERN FROM RESIDENTS IN BOTH CASES IS ACCESSING THE ENTRANCE TO THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD STREET, RIGHT. 
          AND THEN A RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR THAT RUNS ON THE SIDE. 
          THE, IN, IN MY MIND, BRIAN, THE DIFFERENCE IS, UH, LET'S LIKEN, YOU KNOW, I LIVE, I LIVE RIGHT ON THE CORNER ON A CORNER ON SAVANNAH DRIVE, AND I THINK THAT'S A COLLECTOR. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT'S, UM, OKAY. 
          THE, THE DIFFERENCE BEING OUT ON 1518, UM, LIVE OAK ROAD IS NOT THE ENTRANCE TO ZA FARMS. IT PROVIDES ACCESS TO BENILE FARMS. RIGHT. 
          LIVE OAK IS LIKE SCHAFER BOTH RESIDENTIAL COLLECTORS. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND THEN OF WHICH ACCESS IS PROVIDED TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          AND THAT'S WHY I SEE THIS ONE BEING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN, THAN, THAN THE ONE I LOOKED AT OUT THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I'M SORRY, JUST TELL ME CLARIFY. 
          LIVE OAK IS A RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR, SCHAFER IS A RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR, BOTH LIVE OAK AND SCHAFER PROVIDE A POINT OF ENTRANCE INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          RIGHT. 
          WHEREAS MAYOR WAY IS, THE STAFF SEEMS SIMILAR TO THE STREET AND I DON'T RECALL THE NAME ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THAT OTHER PROPOSED GAS STATION. 
          YES. 
          THAT IS DIRECTLY CORRECT SOLELY AN ENTRANCE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IF NOT FOR THE ACCESS TO THE GAS STATION. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND, AND THAT, THAT WAS MY CONCERN OUT THERE IS I DIDN'T HAVE AN, I DIDN'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH 'EM TAKING ACCESS OFF SHAVER ROAD. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT I DID HAVE A, BUT, BUT THEN I DID HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THEM TAKING ACCESS OFF THE ENTRANCE TO THE SUBDIVISION. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND IF THEY WERE TO BRING THAT PROJECT IN TODAY AND SHOW ME A DRIVEWAY ON 1518, I MIGHT SUPPORT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? BUT ACCESS HERE THROUGH THE COMMERCIAL AND MER WAY DOES OR DOES NOT POSE THAT SAME CONCERN? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          OH, I'M, I'M SORRY. 
          YEAH, I WELL, BUT YOU SEE MAYOR WAY UP THERE THAT, THAT'S, YEAH. 
          I GUESS YOU COULD SAY THAT'S ACCESS TO THE GAS STATION, BUT THAT I'M REALLY, I'M REALLY LOOKING AT THAT AS A SEPARATE PROJECT. 
          WELL, IT, THAT'S THE RETAIL PART OF IT, SO, OKAY, SO THE GAS STATION TAKING ACCESS OR USERS OF THE GAS STATION, TAKING ACCESS THROUGH THAT COMMERCIAL TO ACCESS THE MEETING OPENING IS THE DISTINCTION. 
          RIGHT? WHEN, WHEN I, WHEN I LOOK AT THE, THE SUP, THE, THE ACCESS I'M LOOKING AT IS SHEZ PARKWAY AND LIVE OAK ROAD, THOSE TWO DRIVEWAYS, I WASN'T EVEN CONSIDERING THE UNDERSTANDING THE NORTHERN PRACTICE. 
          IT'S, IT'S ESSENTIALLY THE SAME. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT, OKAY. 
          THAT, THAT'S A HELP. 
          AND THAT WAS MY QUESTION FOR CLARIFICATION. 
          NOW ONE MORE THING. 
          DO WE HAPPEN TO HAVE, UH, AN AERIAL OF THIS ENTIRE CAN YOU CAN, IS IT HARD FOR YOU? YEAH. 
          'CAUSE WHAT I, WHAT I WANT, KIND OF WHAT I WANTED EVERYBODY TO SEE WAS THE ACKERMAN PROPERTY TO THE NORTH OF 'EM. 
          UM, BUT, BUT, BUT THIS'LL 'CAUSE I JUST WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT ALL THAT, OTHER THAN THE PROPERTY ALONG SHEZ PARKWAY, ALL THAT PROPERTY TO THE NORTH, THE ACKERMAN PROPERTY AND ALL THE PROPERTY THAT COMES BACK DOWN AND WRAPS AROUND WHERE YOUR SUBDIVISION ENDS ON LIVE OAK ROAD, UM, THAT WAS ALL INTENDED FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. 
          RIGHT? I DON'T THINK IT'S ZONED THAT WAY YET BECAUSE THE ACKERMANS ARE STILL, UH, I THINK IN RESONANCE. 
          BUT WHEN YOU LOOK BACK, UH, YOU KNOW, MANY YEARS AGO WHEN, WHEN WE STARTED TO SEE PLANS FOR THIS REASON, UM, EVENTUALLY I THINK YOU, YOU CAN EXPECT TO SEE, UH, MORE HOMES ABOVE YOU AND NEXT TO YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAD. 
          NOW I DO WANT TO SAY THAT WE'RE KIND OF HANDICAPPED TONIGHT AS A COMMISSION BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE FOUR COMMISSIONERS PRESENT AND IT TAKES FOUR VOTES, IT TAKES FOUR POSITIVE VOTES, UM, TO MOVE AN, TO MOVE AN ITEM. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UH, SO WE, WE'LL ADDRESS THAT. 
          ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? SOMEBODY WANNA MAKE A MOTION? WE CAN APPROVE, WE CAN RECOMMEND APPROVAL, DENIAL APPROVAL. 
          UM, AND I THINK STAFF HAD, DIDN'T STAFF HAVE SOME? WELL, NO, THEY RECOMMENDED DISAPPROVAL, 
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SO THEY DIDN'T PUT ANYTHING ON THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, BUT WE CAN DO APPROVAL, DENIAL APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS. 
          SO SOMEONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, MAKE A MOTION TO DENY P-L-S-P-U 2 0 2 4 0 2 2 9 SECOND. 
          I AM SORRY. 
          MY MIND IS NOT ALL HERE TONIGHT. 
          I DON'T THINK . 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER WALLACE AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER HECTOR TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF P-L-S-P-U 22 4 0 2 2 9. 
          UM, APPARENTLY FROM, UM, YEAH, I ALWAYS GET NERVOUS WHEN HE WALKS UP HERE. 
          . 
          IT'S OKAY IF I MAY, AND AGAIN, PERHAPS IN LIGHT OF THE PRIOR DISCUSSION. 
          YEAH. 
          STEPH ALWAYS LOOKS TO UNDERSTAND THE REASON AS WE MISUNDERSTOOD, RIGHT? THE DISTINCTION YOU MADE AND ACCESS, IF WE COULD GET A REASON FOR THE DENIAL THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR STAFF IN MOVING FORWARD AND, AND MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS CONSISTENT WITH, UH, YOUR, THEY PUT IT IN. 
          SO CAN YOU HELP 'EM OUT WITH THAT COMMISSIONER WALLACE? ABSOLUTELY. 
          SO MY, MY LOGIC BEHIND THIS IS, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING OUT FOR ONE SPECIFIC REQUEST OR ONE SPECIFIC LAND USE. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT THE FULL LIST OF GENERAL BUSINESS, I'M, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO COMMERCIAL ZONING. 
          I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE AT LONGSHORE PARKWAY. 
          UM, IF WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT, THAT WOULD BE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT THING. 
          BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE SPECIFIC USE OUT OF THAT WHOLE LIST. 
          UM, AND YOU HAVE A DECENT CHUNK OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHO ARE COMING OUT IN OPPOSITION. 
          AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I SIT WITH THIS IS, OKAY, YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO CLEARLY DON'T WANT ONE SPECIFIC THING. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY AN OPPOSITION TO BUSINESS, IT'S AN OPPOSITION TO, I WOULD NOT LIKE A GAS STATION WITH A CONVENIENCE STORE NEAR MY HOUSE. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. 
          COMMISSIONER HECTOR, YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT? UH, SO I, I AGREE WITH THAT AND I AM ALSO IN, IN FAVOR OF, UH, I THINK A, UH, A MORE INTENTIONAL USE OF THE GENERAL BUSINESS. 
          UH, THAT DOESN'T ALSO, UH, I THINK UNNECESSARILY EXPOSE OUR RESIDENTS, UH, WHEN WE DON'T NEED TO. 
          RIGHT? AND SO I THINK WITH THE NUMBER OF GAS STATIONS BEING BUILT, UH, AROUND THE COMMUNITY, TO PUT ONE RIGHT THERE, UH, I JUST DON'T THINK IS A GOOD USE FOR, UH, THE RESIDENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY FURTHER? UM, COMMISSIONER BRO, YOU WANT TO GET YEAH, I JUST HAVE A COMMENT. 
          UM, MY HOUSE CURRENTLY HAS VACANT PROPERTY BEHIND IT, AND SO IT'S TOO LATE NOW FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE IN SIL FARMS. BUT WHENEVER THERE'S VACANT PROPERTY NEAR YOUR HOUSE, SPECIFICALLY BEHIND YOUR PROPERTY, YOU SHOULD BE CAUTIOUS AND YOU SHOULD NOT BELIEVE EVERYTHING A REALTOR OR A, OR A DEVELOPER TELLS YOU ABOUT WHAT'S PLANNED OR NOT PLANNED FOR BEHIND YOUR PROPERTY. 
          BUT THAT LOT IS ZONED GENERAL BUSINESS. 
          AND IF YOU HAVEN'T, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU GO INTO THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE ON THE CITY WEBSITE AND IT'S IN CHAPTER OR SECTION 21 5 8 AND YOU CAN FIND A COMPLETE LIST OF WHAT IS AND IS NOT ALLOWED IN A GENERAL BUSINESS ZONING AREA. 
          SO CONVENIENCE STORE OR THE GAS PUMP IS NOT THE WORST THING, BUT THAT'S WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT. 
          SO, UH, SUGGEST IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY, TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND SEE WHAT ELSE CAN BE BUILT BEHIND YOUR RESIDENCE. 
          YEAH, AND I JUST WANNA REITERATE, YOU KNOW, UH, REGARDING THE VACANT PROPERTY IN AND AROUND YOUR RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY, UH, I WAS FACED WITH THAT YEARS AGO. 
          I'VE BEEN IN SHIRTS A LONG TIME. 
          UH, AND WHEN I WENT TO CHECK TO SEE WHAT THE PLANS WERE FOR THE PROPERTY, UH, BECAUSE I WOULD NOT HAVE WANTED A GAS STATION RIGHT THERE OUTSIDE MY COMMUNITY, UH, DID FIND OUT THAT THEY WERE PLANNING TO, UH, TO PUT A SCHOOL THERE. 
          I WOULDN'T HAVE VOTED FOR THAT EITHER, BUT, UH, IT WAS, UH, IT WAS MUCH BETTER THAN HAVING A GAS STATION, UH, THERE RIGHT NEXT TO THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY. 
          AND, AND ACTUALLY THE SCHOOL, UH, TURNED OUT TO BE NOT, NOT THAT BAD AFTER ALL, JUST 
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HAVE TO LEAVE EARLIER FOR WORK. 
          ANYONE ELSE? ALRIGHT, HEARING NONE, PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE. 
          AND AGAIN, AN I VOTE, A YES VOTE IS TO RECOMMEND DENIAL. 
          OKAY, I SEE FOUR VOTES IF YOU WOULD PUBLISH THAT, PLEASE. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAVE FOUR IN FAVOR. 
          NONE OPPOSED. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY THAT I AM NOT NECESSARILY OPPOSED TO THIS PROJECT, BUT IF I WERE TO VOTE NO ON THIS MOTION, WE'RE KIND OF AT A STALEMATE BECAUSE AS I SAID, IT TAKES FOUR POSITIVE VOTES TO MOVE SOMETHING FROM THE COMMISSION TO UM, CITY COUNCIL. 
          SO, UM, OH, HERE HE COMES AGAIN. 
          WHY, WHY DON'T YOU JUST SIT IN THE FRONT ROW, BRIAN? SO, SO TO CLARIFY, COMMISSIONER OUTLAW IF, IF YOU VOTED NO ON THIS, RIGHT? 'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT OPPOSED TO IT, YEAH. 
          THE MOTION WOULD STILL CARRY THAT IT'S DENIED IN ORDER FOR YOU TO APPROVE A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION OKAY. 
          ON AN ITEM TO MOVE IT FORWARD WITH A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT REQUIRES THE FORM. 
          THAT REQUIRES, SO IF YOU VOTED NO, OKAY, IT WOULD STILL THEN MOVE FORWARD AS A DENIAL. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU BRIAN. 
          WELL, I'M, I'M NOT GONNA CHANGE MY VOTE 'CAUSE I'M KIND OF ON THE FENCE ABOUT IT ANYWAY. 
          . 
          ALRIGHT, BUT THANK YOU FOR, FOR CLARIFYING THAT FOR ME RYAN. 
          ALRIGHT, SO THIS WILL GO TO CITY COUNCIL WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL. 
          OKAY. 
          DO WE KNOW WHEN THIS IS GONNA BE ON THE AGENDA? SO NEXT MONTH'S COUNSEL IS ODD AND IT'S GONNA BE ON THE FIRST DECEMBER COUNCIL MEETING. 
          ALRIGHT, DECEMBER 3RD. 
          DECEMBER 3RD. 
          AND SO ONCE AGAIN, IF YOU'RE, IF, IF IF YOU WANT TO COME OUT TO THE COUNCIL MEETING, YOU'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO UM, TO VOICE YOUR COMMENTS AGAIN. 
          ALRIGHT? OKAY. 
          MOVING 
          [B.  PLZC20240242 - Hold a public hearing and make a recommendation on a request to rezone approximately 19.94 acres of land from General Business District (GB), Agricultural District (AD), and Pre-Development District (PRE) to Apartment / Multifamily District (R-4), more specifically known as 5524 Eckhardt Road, also known as Comal County Property Identification Numbers 75449 and 78233, City of Schertz, Comal County, Texas.]
RIGHT ALONG HERE THEN. 
          UM, SIX B EL ZC 20 24 0 2 4 2. 
          AND THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING. 
          OKAY, PL, I GOTTA GET BACK ON THE RIGHT ONE HERE. 
          PL ZCC 2 2 4 0 2 4 2 HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON A REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 19.94 ACRES OF LAND FROM GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT AND PRE-DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT TO APARTMENT SLASH MULTI-DISTRICT, MULTI-FAMILY DISTRICT R FOUR, MORE SPECIFICALLY KNOWN AS 5 5 2 4 ECKERD ROAD, ALSO KNOWN AS KAMAU COUNTY PROPERTY IDENTIFICATION NUMBER 7 5 4 4 9 AND 7 8 2 3 3. 
          CITY OF CHURCH, KAMAL COUNTY, TEXAS. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. 
          PLZC 2 0 2 4 0 2 4 2 SAMUEL HAAS SENIOR PLANNER. 
          SO GETTER BEARINGS HERE, THIS IS THE UH, PROPERTY LOCATION HERE. 
          IT'S OUTLINED IN GREEN. 
          RIGHT HERE WE SEE UH, ECKARD ROAD. 
          THIS IS I 35 AND JUST THESE LITTLE HOUSES YOU HERE SEE, YOU SEE HERE ARE GONNA BE THE CYPRESS POINT. 
          SUBDIVISION PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY 19.94 ACRES OCTOBER 25TH 16 PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE WERE SENT OUT SO FAR WE'VE ACHIEVED ONE IN OPPOSITION. 
          UH, ONE SIGN WAS ALSO PLACED ON THE PROPERTY. 
          UH, PER THE APPLICANT LETTER OF TENT, UH, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO REZONE PORTIONS OF THEIR PROPERTY TO APARTMENT MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT R FOUR TO THE NORTH. 
          WE HAVE GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, WHICH IS UNDEVELOPED TO THE SOUTH. 
          WE HAVE GENERAL BUSINESS AND AGRICULTURAL DEVELOPMENT. 
          UH, CURRENTLY IT'S RURAL RESIDENCE AG USE. 
          UH, TO THE EAST WE HAVE GENERAL BUSINESS WHICH IS BEING USED AS COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL. 
          AND THEN TO THE WEST WE HAVE ECKERD ROAD. 
          SO WHEN EVALUATING THESE ZONE CHANGE REQUESTS, THE STAFF USES SECTION 21 5 4 D CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL. 
          UH, NUMBER ONE, WHETHER THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE IMPLEMENTS THE POLICIES OF THE ADOPTED COMPREHENSIVE LAND PLAN OR ANY OTHER APPLICABLE ADOPTED PLANS. 
          SO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES DESIGNATE THIS AREA AS REGIONAL CORRIDOR. 
          UH, THAT DESIGNATION IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE COMMERCIAL ENTERTAINMENT AREAS AND THERE IS PROVISIONS WITHIN THAT DESIGNATIONS FOR LARGER MULTI-FAMILY COMPLEXES AS WELL. 
          SO THIS DOES CONFORM TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          NUMBER TWO, WHETHER THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE PROMOTES THE HEALTH SAFETY, GENERAL WELFARE OF THE CITY. 
          SO AS PART OF PROMOTING THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND GENERAL WELFARE OF THE CITY, UM, PROPOSALS SHOULD GENERALLY ALIGN WITH THE UDC. 
          THE UDC WAS RECENTLY AMENDED ON OCTOBER 22ND WITH CITY COUNCIL'S APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE 24 S 1 56. 
          THIS NEW TEXT IN THE UDC EXPLICITLY STATES THAT OUR FOUR DISTRICTS 
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SHALL NOT BE LOCATED IN AREAS WHERE THEY WOULD INCREASE TRAFFIC WITH ACCESS THROUGH SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS AND SHALL BE LOCATED ADJACENT TO ARTERIAL STREETS. 
          ETT ROAD CURRENTLY IS CLASSIFIED AS A COLLECTOR FOR THIS REASON, THIS DOES NOT MATCH THE UDC AND THUS DOES NOT PROMOTE THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND GENERAL WELFARE. 
          NUMBER THREE, WHETHER THE USES PERMITTED IN THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE WILL BE CONSISTENT AND APPROPRIATE WITH EXISTING USES IN THE MEDIAN AREA. 
          THE R FOUR USES ARE CONSISTENT AND APPROPRIATE WITH THE MEDIAN AREA, GIVEN THAT IT IS LARGELY UNDEVELOPED AND RESIDENTIAL. 
          AND NUMBER FOUR, WHETHER OTHER FACTORS ARE DEEMED RELEVANT AND IMPORTANT IN THE CONSIDERATION OF THIS AMENDMENT. 
          SO IT UH, CITY COUNCIL HAS CONSISTENTLY EXPRESSED CONCERNS OVER STREET INFRASTRUCTURE CAPACITY AND ADDED VEHICLE TRAFFIC FROM MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS. 
          UH, SPECIFICALLY, UH, ECKERD ROAD SERVES BOTH THE CYPRESS POINT SUBDIVISION AND THE PARKLAND SUBDIVISION. 
          AND THE ADDED TRAFFIC FROM A HIGH DENSITY MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT IN COMBINATION WITH THESE SUBDIVISIONS WOULD NOT, WOULD CREATE THE VARIOUS SITUATIONS THAT CITY COUNCIL HAS EXPRESSED CONCERN OVER. 
          STAFF HAS CONSIDERED THESE EXPRESSED CONCERNS AND DETERMINED THAT A MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT ON ECKERD ROAD WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE AT THIS TIME. 
          SO WHILE IT DOES CONFORM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE LAND USES ARE CONSISTENT, UH, THE R FOUR DISTRICT DOES NOT, UH, MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE EC AND IS NOT ADJACENT TO AN ARTERIAL STREET. 
          STAFF IS RECOMMENDING DENIAL OF PLZC 2 0 2 4 0 2 4 2 AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE. 
          YES, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          MY NAME'S KAYLEE. 
          I WORK WITH TRITECH ENGINEERING AND SURVEYING. 
          I'M REPRESENTING THE PROPERTY OWNER. 
          UM, ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WE WANTED TO TALK ON IS THAT WE DO AGREE THAT ECK HARD ROAD DOES NEED TO BE IMPROVED IN ORDER TO ADEQUATELY SERVE, UH, MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT ALONG THAT ROAD. 
          THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS INITIALLY PROPOSED IN ONE OF OUR DEVELOPMENT PLANS. 
          WE HAVE STARTED WORKING ON CONCEPTUAL PLANS, HOWEVER, THIS IS THE FIRST STEP IN THE PROCESS IN ORDER FOR US TO FURTHER EXECUTE THOSE SITE DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR THE PROPERTY. 
          UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS REQUIRED THAT WE GENERALLY DO IS A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, WHICH WILL BASICALLY SHOW HOW WE ARE GOING TO IMPACT THAT ROADWAY. 
          WE ARE WORKING THROUGH THAT WITH OUR ENGINEER CURRENTLY. 
          UM, THEY ARE PROPOSING MORE OF INDIVIDUAL STRUCTURE TOWN HOME STYLE APARTMENTS, NOT MULTI-STORY, LARGE DENSITY APARTMENT COMPLEX. 
          UM, I HAVE A COPY OF THE PROPOSED PLAT WITH ME AS WELL. 
          CURRENTLY WE CANNOT GET THAT REVIEWED BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE ZONING ON THE PROPERTY AT THIS TIME. 
          THE PROPOSED PLAT DOES SHOW THAT WE ARE RECOMMEND OR WE ARE DEDICATING A 10 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY ON OUR PROPERTY TO BE ABLE TO EXPAND ECK CARD ROAD. 
          I ALSO HAVE A LETTER OF COMMITMENT FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER STATING THAT THEY ARE AGREEABLE TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE IMPROVEMENTS ALONG ECK CARD ROAD AT THE TIME OF DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M DEFINITELY HERE TO HELP. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          YES SIR. 
          I'D LIKE TO CHIME IN JUST A LITTLE BIT. 
          OKAY, SO MY NAME'S KATHY. 
          I AM WITH THE DEVELOPER. 
          UM, THE PROPERTY AT HAND, IT'S GOT THREE DIFFERENT ZONINGS GUYS AND NO MATTER WHAT ECKERT ROAD HAS TO BE EVENTUALLY ADDRESSED, IT'S ROUGH. 
          IT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN CARE OF. 
          WE COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT PUTTING A DEVELOPMENT IN THAT'S GONNA SERVICE MORE OF DOCTORS, NURSES, MILITARY COMING IN. 
          IT'S GONNA BE A RENTAL COMMUNITY. 
          IT'S SINGLE STORY FOR THE MOST PART. 
          IF IT GOES INTO A TWO STORY, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE A TOWN HOME. 
          WE'RE NOT WANTING TO CREATE A THREE FOUR APARTMENT COMPLEX OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          IT'S JUST TO GET A LITTLE BIT ON A HIGHER LEVEL, BUT ENTRY LEVEL IN A SENSE OF A LIVING SITUATION FOR PEOPLE WHEN THEY'RE COMING INTO SAN ANTONIO. 
          I MEAN, WE'RE DEVELOPING CRAZY ACROSS 35 AND THIS WOULD SERVICE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE MOVING HERE THAT NEED SHORT TERM SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR KIND OF LIVING. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          LET'S SEE. 
          IT, UH, IS 7:04 PM AND AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THIS TOPIC IS WELCOME TO STEP FORWARD. 
          IF YOU DO SO, PLEASE START WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, TRY TO LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES. 
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GOOD EVENING. 
          MY NAME IS BRIAN WETZ. 
          I LIVE AT 5,500 ECKERD ROAD. 
          THE PROP PROPERTY DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH AND SHORT TERM. 
          I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WHAT WAS GOING TO GO IN THERE, BUT THE SHORT TERM LEASE DOESN'T SOUND APPEALING TO ANYONE THAT LIVES IN THE AREA, I WOULDN'T THINK. 
          BUT, UH, MY GENERAL CONCERN IS I HAVE AN EASEMENT THAT RUNS THE FULL LENGTH OF ECKERD ROAD, A 20 FOOT EASEMENT FOR MY UTILITIES. 
          THEY SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO BUILD ACROSS MY UTILITY EASEMENT. 
          THAT WOULD JUST DO UNDUE BURDEN TO ME IF I EVER HAD A LEAK. 
          I'M GONNA HAVE TO DIG UP WHAT PAVING STREETS, SIDEWALKS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT, UH, NOT ACCEPTABLE TO ME TO BE EXPOSED TO THAT KIND OF A UNDUE BURDEN. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SIR. 
          YES SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYONE ELSE? NO ONE, I GUESS SIX A WAS THE HOT ONE, HUH? ONE MORE TIME. 
          ANYBODY? ALRIGHT, IT IS, UH, 7 0 7. 
          PUBLIC INPUT IS CLOSED. 
          COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALRIGHT, UM, WHAT'S THE FUTURE OF, UH, WELL, NUMBER ONE, LET ME START OUT BY SAYING THE, THE COME ON UP, SAM. 
          'CAUSE I'M, YOU, YOU, YOU'LL HAVE A QUESTION TO ANSWER. 
          UH, AGAIN, THIS IS ONE OF MY SOAP BOXES THAT, THAT I'M SURE ARE SHARED BY A LOT OF PEOPLE. 
          UH, ECKERD ROAD HAS NOT BEEN IMPROVED BECAUSE THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE STRIPPED US OF OUR ABILITY TO REQUIRE DEVELOPERS TO DEVELOP ROADWAYS WHEN THEY BUILD. 
          WE CAN NO LONGER DO THAT. 
          CORRECT BRIAN, SO WE COLLECT ROADWAY IMPACT FEES INSTEAD AND THEN IT THEN FALLS TO THE CITY TO EVENTUALLY DO THOSE IMPROVEMENTS, CORRECT? NO. 
          NO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE CAN REQUIRE THE DEVELOPER ADJACENT WHEN THEY DEVELOP TO IMPROVE THEIR HALF OF THE ROAD MM-HMM. 
          ON THEIR SIDE FOR THEIR LENGTH. 
          UNLESS THERE IS A ROUGH PROPORTIONALITY ISSUE. 
          IF THERE'S A ROUGH PROPORTIONALITY ISSUE THAT LIMITS OUR ABILITY TO MAKE THAT FULL IMPROVEMENT. 
          AND I GUESS IT'S, UH, I ASSUMED THAT WHAT I SAID WAS CORRECT BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S SO, SO IF YOU'LL NOTICE THIS SIDE OF ECKERD ROAD HAS NOT BEEN IMPROVED AT ALL. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THERE'S BEEN NO DEVELOPMENT. 
          YEAH. 
          THUS THAT HALF THE ROAD'S NOT BEEN IMPROVED. 
          SOME IMPROVEMENTS WERE MADE AT THE INTERSECTION THAT WAS BY PARKLANDS PER A TI AND SORT OF A TRADE OFF ON THERE. 
          SO RIGHT. 
          WE COULD REQUIRE, BUT AGAIN, IT'S, IT HAS TO DO, AGAIN, APARTMENTS TEND TO GENERATE A LOT OF TRAFFIC. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I WOULD NOT ANTICIPATE THERE TO BE A ROUGH PROPORTIONALITY ISSUE, UH, IN THIS SITUATION. 
          BUT THIS IS MORE THE TYPICAL, YOU START GETTING DEVELOPMENT, YOU GET TRAFFIC. 
          IT IT OKAY. 
          DOESN'T GROW. 
          WELL, THANK YOU BRIAN. 
          I, I, I GUESS MAYBE I ASSUMED WHAT I DID BECAUSE I CAN'T REMEMBER THE LAST TIME WE HAD A DEVELOPER ACTUALLY HELP US IMPROVE A ROAD. 
          SO I, I REMEMBER WE GOT SOME IMPROVEMENT TO ECKERT, UH, FROM PARKLANDS, BUT, UM, UM, BUT THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          YOU'RE, SO WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK SAM IS, UM, RIGHT NOW ECKERD IS CLASSIFIED AS A COLLECTOR. 
          YES. 
          IS THAT, IS THAT THE LONG THAT IT WILL ALWAYS STAY A COLLECTOR? DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, BUT IN THE MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLAN, IT IS CURRENTLY CLASSIFIED AS A COLLECTOR. 
          IF THAT WAS TO BE CHANGED, IT'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF AMENDING THAT. 
          SO WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE HIERARCHY THEN? SO IF RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR, WHAT'S THE NEXT ONE ABOVE THAT? UH, A SECONDARY ARTERIAL. 
          AND WOULD, DOES SECONDARY ARTERIAL MEET THE CRITERIA OF, OF IT? WOULD COUNCIL. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS. 
          UM, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT, UM, ZONING. 
          WE JUST DIDN'T, WE JUST APPROVE A COUPLE OF NEW ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS AND WOULDN'T ONE OF THOSE BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR WHAT, WHAT I HEARD THEY WANT TO DO. 
          SO THE, THE R FOUR WAS RECENTLY AMENDED TO BE ACTUALLY DENSER AND TALLER. 
          AND THAT WAS DONE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE FACT THAT WE WERE GONNA BE MORE SELECTIVE WITH WHERE WE'RE PLACING IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT WAS KIND OF THE WHOLE IDEA. 
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PAIRED WITH THAT WAS A NEW DISTRICT R FIVE MIDDLE DENSITY, WHERE THE DENSITY IS AROUND 12 UNITS PER ACRE. 
          AND IT IS MEANT TO CAPTURE ESSENTIALLY, UH, TOWN HOME STYLE DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO YES, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION REALLY SHORTLY, YES, WE DID. 
          DO WE HAVE A, UH, A MORE APPROPRIATE, UM, ZONING DISTRICT FOR LOWER DENSITY, UH, MULTIFAMILY NOW? AND SO THAT IS AN OPTION. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I'M KIND OF TRYING TO, SO, ALRIGHT. 
          I, I'M JUST, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET THERE FROM HERE. 
          , YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY'VE ASKED FOR R FOUR. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND R FIVE MIGHT BE MORE APPROPRIATE, BUT WITHOUT RUNNING THE PROCESS AND BEING DENIED BECAUSE ONCE THEY'RE DENIED IS WHAT, SIX MONTHS? YEAH, IT'S BEFORE THEY SIX MONTHS TO TRY AGAIN AS R FOUR, IF THEY WERE TO GET DENIED, THEY COULD COME IN AND, AND JUST ASK FOR R FIVE. 
          OKAY. 
          'CAUSE THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A DIFFERENT CONCEPT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND CAN YOU ADDRESS, UH, THE GENTLEMAN'S QUESTION ABOUT THE EASEMENT? WOULD, WOULD, UH, UH, YEAH, IF DEVELOPMENT WERE TO OCCUR AND THERE'S EASEMENTS ON THE PROPERTY, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF RELOCATING THOSE EASEMENTS AND, UM, THAT WOULD BE A CONVERSATION THAT THE DEVELOPER WOULD BE HAVING WITH PROPERTY OWNER OR THE HOLDER OF THAT EASEMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, THEY WOULDN'T PAVE OVER IT, YOU KNOW, THE EASEMENTS THERE. 
          IT WOULD, THERE WOULD BE A PROCESS IN PLACE TO WHERE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SERVICES THAT HE HAS PROVIDED WOULD BE PROTECTED AND, OKAY. 
          ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, CLAYTON? YEAH. 
          UM, SO IF WE WERE TO, TO, TO SAY, UM, IF WE WERE TO TO, TO, YOU KNOW, MOVE WITH A CONTINUANCE FOR THIS, WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO AMEND THEIR APPLICATION TO R FIVE OR WOULD IT REQUIRE A COMPLETELY NEW SUBMISSION? I THINK IT WOULD BE IT, BECAUSE WE'VE DONE PUBLIC NOTICING AND WE'VE SENT OUT MAILERS AND ALL THAT WITH, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A NEW SUBMISSION. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          JUST FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL WOULD PRESTIGE? 'CAUSE SO JUST IN TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT, I, I THINK IT'S A GREAT, WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, UM, AND THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE ALONG THIS, UM, COLLECTOR, CORRECT? YEAH. 
          R FIVE WOULD BE, THERE'S NO STIPULATIONS ON R FIVE ABOUT WHERE TO PUT THEM NECESSARILY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION TO THE APPLICANT IS TO COME BACK WITH THAT BECAUSE I THINK AT THAT POINT THIS WOULD BE A, A LOT NICER OF A REQUEST TO, ESPECIALLY IF STAFF SAYING IT FITS, I WOULD COME BACK WITH THAT. 
          SO WHAT IS AN R FIVE AGAIN? EXCUSE ME? WHAT IS R FIVE AGAIN? 'CAUSE IT'S NOT IN THE, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT OUR, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT OUR WEBSITE, IT SHOULD BE UNDER, UM, ORDINANCE 24 S 1 56, UH, AND IT IS MIDDLE DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. 
          SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NEW. 
          IT JUST GOT ADOPTED ON OCTOBER 22ND. 
          SO IT'S NOT REFLECTED ON THE MUNI CODE WEBSITE YET. 
          UH, BUT IT IS A PDF THAT YOU CAN SEE ACCESS. 
          WHAT'S THE BACKLOG ON MUNI CODE NOW? MONTHS. 
           ? YEAH. 
          I, I THINK THE INTENT WAS, UH, BECAUSE WE, WE, WE'VE SEEN, UM, SOME PROJECTS THAT COME IN WITH, RATHER THAN THE TRADITIONAL MULTI-STORY, UH, APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT COME IN WITH, UH, DUPLEXES AND TOWN HOMES AND THAT, I THINK THAT'S WHAT R FIVE WAS INTENDED CORRECT. 
          UH, TO BE USED FOR. 
          SO I HAVE ANOTHER ONE SOMEWHERE IN YOUR NARRATIVE, YOU MENTIONED THAT ECKERD ROAD IS NOT BASICALLY NOT GOOD ENOUGH AT THIS TIME. 
          YES. 
          WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? SO IN PREVIOUS, I, SO THIS, THAT STATEMENT COMES FROM CITY COUNCIL BASICALLY SAYING THAT CERTAIN ROADS THAT HAVE PROPOSALS FOR OUR FOUR DISTRICTS THAT AREN'T REALLY WIDE ENOUGH AT THIS TIME OR CAN'T HANDLE THE ADDED CAPACITY. 
          SO THAT STATEMENT WAS PUT IN THERE TO REFLECT CITY COUNCIL'S SORT OF, UM, CONCERNS ABOUT THESE REQUESTS. 
          SO HOW, HOW CAN ECKERD ROAD, ECKERD ROAD IS A MESS. 
          I I DON'T LIKE GOING DOWN THERE. 
          SO WHAT IS THE MECHANISM FOR MAKING ECKERD ROAD A BETTER, A BETTER ROAD? IS IT, ARE WE GONNA WAIT FOR A DEVELOPER OR ARE WE GONNA WAIT FOR THE CITY TO DO IT? OR WE'RE GONNA WORRY YOU OUT TONIGHT. 
          WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN? YOUR POINT WAS TO THE CLASSIFICATION CORRECT. 
          IN PART. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SO I THINK SAM'S POINT WAS IT'S PER WHAT WE AMENDED THE CODE TO SAY IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT ULTIMATELY GOING TO BE A BIG ENOUGH WIDE ENOUGH ROAD WITH ENOUGH CAPACITY TO WARRANT HAVING R FOUR TIME DEVELOPMENT. 
          CORRECT. 
          EVEN, EVEN, EVEN WITH RIGHT. 
          THE MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLAN DESIGNATES IT AS A RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR. 
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THAT'S RIGHT. 
          UNLESS WE UPDATE THE MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLAN. 
          SO YOU COULD UPDATE THE MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLAN OR COUNCIL COULD MAKE IT AN ARTERIAL. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE COULD ACQUIRE ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY AND THEN PER OUR POLICY, IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS ZONING ADJACENT TO IT. 
          IF YOUR POINT IS THE CURRENT STATE OF REPAIR OF THE ROAD AND PAVEMENT WIDTH IS NOT SUFFICIENT FOR THE TRAFFIC THAT'S OUT THERE EVEN TODAY, WE DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU. 
          AGAIN, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE BALANCES OF HOW MUCH DO FOLKS WANNA PAY IN TAXES? RIGHT. 
          TO HAVE THEIR ROADS IMPROVED AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE IN ADVANCE OF DEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, YES. 
          I I ONLY ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT ECKER BE NOT I, BECAUSE IF IN THE FUTURE IT WAS GOING TO BE DESIGNATED ON ARTERIAL, IT WOULD, IT IN MY MIND WOULD, WOULD IMPACT SURE. 
          THIS CASE, BUT THE FACT THAT IT RIGHT NOW WITHOUT SPECIFIC ACTION, IT'S GONNA STAY A COLLECTOR. 
          THAT, THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO KNOW. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, THE ISSUE WE HAVE IN PART IS AS WE HAVE DEVELOPMENT HAPPEN FURTHER OUT FROM EXISTING DEVELOPMENT. 
          RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          WHEN AND APPRECIATE FOLKS GETTING OUT THERE AND SAYING, I'M HERE. 
          I WANT THIS ROAD IMPROVED TO THE SAME STANDARD AS CHURCHS PARKWAY OUT HERE. 
          I'M NOT SURE THAT'S VIABLE UNDER OUR CURRENT SYSTEM. 
          MAYBE THE SAME WAY THEY WOULD SAY, I WANT TO BE, HAVE THE SAME FIRE RESPONSE TIME AS IF I BOUGHT OFF LITTLE AND OAKS. 
          WHAT, WHAT IS THE DESIGNATION OF SHIRTS PARKWAY? IS THAT A I BELIEVE THAT IS A PRINCIPAL ARTERIAL. 
          PRINCIPAL ARTERIAL. 
          OKAY. 
          RICHARD, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? I'M SORRY, I KIND OF CUT IN ON YOU THERE. 
          NO, ROGER, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? YES. 
          SO I, I GOT THE POINT THAT, UH, THAT COUNCIL HAD AN OPINION ABOUT, ABOUT THIS. 
          UH, I GUESS MY, MY QUESTION AND, AND MAYBE IT'S RHETORICAL, BUT SO WHERE IS IT APPROPRIATE FOR R FOUR IN THE COMMUNITY? RIGHT. 
          AND I THINK THIS GOES TO CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST ABOUT WHAT DO WE WANT SHIRTS TO LOOK LIKE ULTIMATELY, RIGHT? UH, WHAT HOUSING DO WE WANT TO OFFER? WHERE SHOULD IT BE? UH, IF WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE ROADS THAT EXIST THAT DOESN'T SUPPORT OUR FOUR, WHY DO WE EVEN GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS OF HAVING SOMEONE BRING FORWARD THAT RIGHT. 
          UNLESS THERE IS A COMMITMENT TO REPAIR THE ROADS OR TO MAKE IT APPROPRIATE. 
          UH, AND I GUESS I JUST, I GUESS I WISH THERE WAS SOME, SOME WAY TO BE INTENTIONAL, UH, ABOUT IT. 
          WELL, I, I, LET ME JUMP IN HERE, EMILY. 
          AND I WOULD SAY STAFF DOESN'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY. 
          THEY DON'T TO, TO APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE. 
          UM, SO THE APPLICANT BROUGHT IN AN A APPLICATION, THEY DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO SAY NO. 
          FAIR ENOUGH. 
          YEAH, I, I GET THAT POINT. 
          UH, I THINK STILL THE, THE ONUS AND THE QUESTION IS INCUMBENT UPON THE LEADERSHIP WITHIN THE CITY TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WHAT, ULTIMATELY WE WANT THE CITY TO LOOK LIKE, AND YOU KNOW, WHAT THINGS WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE IN ORDER TO SUPPORT THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          UH, WHETHER IT'S UPDATING THE MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLAN, UH, THE COMP PLAN, IT COMES. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE I'M, EMILY WAS GONNA COME UP, IF I MAY, COMMISSIONER HECTOR, JUST AS A REMINDER, THIS BODY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE ORDINANCE CHANGE THAT STIPULATED TO COUNSEL YOU WERE RECOMMENDING TO COUNSEL THAT YOU SHOULD NOT ALLOW R FOUR OFF A ROAD UNLESS IT'S AN ARTERIAL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO THAT WAS A RECOMMENDATION OF THIS BODY. 
          SO THE LEADERSHIP, WHICH INCLUDES THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION YEAH. 
          RECOMMENDED THIS CHANGE THAT I'VE NOT HEARD ANYONE SAY IS BEING MISAPPLIED IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. 
          MM-HMM. 
           TO SAY THIS SHOULD BE DENIAL DENIED IT. 
          IT, IN FACT, I THINK THE STAFF SEEMS FAIRLY CUT AND DRY. 
          WHAT WAS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF BASED ON PRIOR RECOMMENDATIONS OF PNZ AND COUNSEL, THE ORDINANCE CHANGE THAT WAS RECOMMENDED APPROVAL BY PNZ. 
          AND THE ORDINANCE CHANGE THAT WAS APPROVED BY COUNSEL TO US FAIRLY CLEARLY SAYS THIS SHOULD BE DENIED BECAUSE IT'S NOT OFTEN ARTERIAL. 
          NOW, AGAIN, IF, IF IT'S SOLELY BECAUSE THE ROAD CLASSIFICATION AND NOT THE LAND USES IN THE AREA, THEN I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO RECOMMEND WE HAVE A WORKSHOP DISCUSSION ON THAT. 
          I THINK STAFF'S CONCERN WOULD BE, ARE WE GONNA OPEN UP LITERALLY EVERY TIME SOMEBODY COMES IN WITH AN R FOUR ZONING 
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THAT THE POLICY REALLY IS IN THESE SORTS OF AREAS WITH THE LAND USE AND THE ROAD NETWORK SUPPORT. 
          YOU DON'T DO IT THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER A THOROUGHFARE PLAN AMENDMENT, THEN WE PROBABLY NEED TO GO BACK AND TALK ABOUT WHAT IT IS WE WANT AS A PLANNED COMMUNITY. 
          BECAUSE I THINK FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, I'M SURPRISED THERE'S THIS MUCH DISCUSSION ON THIS ONE AS OPPOSED TO FAIRLY CLEARLY, WE WITHIN THE LAST THREE MONTHS RECOMMENDED A CODE CHANGE TO SAY WE SHOULD DENY THESE TYPES OF REQUESTS ON THIS TYPE OF ROAD. 
          WELL, RYAN, LET, LET ME SEE THIS ABOUT THAT, THAT WAS, UH, THAT WORD CHANGE FROM SHOULD TO SHALL WAS ONE LITTLE DETAIL BURIED IN THAT AMENDMENT TO THE UDC? UM, I WOULD AND, AND, AND YOU KNOW, I MESSED UP OKAY. 
          BECAUSE I DIDN'T READ THE RED LINES. 
          I DEPENDED ON THE STAFF BRIEFING WHEN, WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THIS AND THEY, THEY MAY HAVE SAID IT AND I DIDN'T HEAR IT, I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND WATCH THE THE THING, BUT, UH, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. 
          AND I WAS GONNA POINT THAT OUT AFTER, BUT I, I DON'T LIKE CUTTING THESE GUYS OFF. 
          SURE. 
          BUT YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. 
          AND I, I I, I KNOW CLAYTON HAS SOMETHING TO SAY, BUT, BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS, UM, BEING A CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL FOR, FOR A GOOD CHUNK OF MY LIFE, OKAY. 
          THERE, THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS TO SAY SOMETHING SHOULD AND MAY ARE NOT MANDATORY. 
          WHEN YOU USE THE WORD SHALL, THAT MEANS YOU DO IT, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY CHOICE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YES, THERE'S A LOT OF CHATTER GOING ON UP HERE AND, AND, BUT I WAS ASKING QUESTIONS LIKE IF, IF ECKERD ROAD IN THE NEAR FUTURE, OR EVEN IN THE DISTANT FUTURE WAS GONNA BE AN ARTERIAL, IT, IT, IT MIGHT HAVE A DIFFERENT BEARING, BUT YEAH, I THINK OUR HANDS ARE TIED THAT CITY COUNCIL, THE, THE UDC SAYS R FOUR SHALL BE ON AN ARTERIAL. 
          SO I DON'T THINK, UH, SO, SO IF I MAY OFFER THIS, YOU CERTAINLY HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAY, AND, AND THIS I THINK IS THE WAY THIS WORKS. 
          IT'S IN, IN AN IDEAL WORLD, WHEN WE PASS A POLICY OR AN ORDINANCE, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE GREAT IF WE COULD ALL, AND THIS IS STAFF, THIS IS PNZ, THIS IS COUNCIL, THIS IS CITIZENS, THIS IS PROPERTY OWNERS, THIS IS, DEVELOPERS COULD ENVISION HOW THAT IS GOING TO PLAY OUT, AND IT'S NOT ALWAYS POSSIBLE TO, RIGHT. 
          AND SO IT'S POSSIBLE THAT EVEN WITH ALL THE THOUGHT IN CONSIDERATION, SOMETHING HAS PASSED AND IT MANIFESTS ITSELF IN A DIFFERENT WAY OR A WAY THAT WE DIDN'T UNDERSTOOD. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S ALL PERFECTLY REASONABLE. 
          RIGHT? AND SO AGAIN, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY, I THINK TO SAY EVEN IN LIGHT OF THAT, THAT WASN'T OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE INTENT. 
          WE FEEL THERE HAS BEEN THIS CHANGE CONDITION AND, AND THIS IS APPROPRIATE, YOU'RE WELCOME TO DO IT. 
          AND, AND THAT BASICALLY THEN, AND, AND I'M GONNA SAY THIS, WHICH IS PERFECTLY FINE, SAYS, LET'S REVISIT THIS POLICY. 
          YEAH. 
          THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH DOING THAT. 
          WELL, THAT, THAT'S HOW WE GET BETTER RESULTS AT THE END OF THE DAY, NOTHING STATIC. 
          SO YOU, YOU HAVE THAT ABILITY, BUT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IT WOULD BE TO MAKE THAT SORT OF A STATEMENT TO SAY IN LIGHT OF THIS, AND AS WE SEE IT MANIFESTS ITSELF, IT DOESN'T SEEM APPROPRIATE EITHER BECAUSE WE DON'T SEE A REASON WHY ECKERT COULDN'T BE UPGRADED TO AN ARTERIAL. 
          AND WE LOOK AT ALL THE THINGS THAT GO WITH THAT, OR WE JUST DON'T KNOW THAT THE POLICY REALLY FITS CORRECTLY. 
          YEAH. 
          A, A A A AGAIN, PART, PART OF THE PROBLEM, UH, AND I'LL JUST COME RIGHT OUT AND SAY IT IS THIS CITY, THE, THE, AND, AND I, AND I UNDERSTAND TAXES AND ALL THAT, BUT GO DRIVE AROUND WILLIAMSON COUNTY, GO DRIVE AROUND THE, THE, THE, THE RURAL AREAS AROUND GEORGETOWN AND, AND ROUND ROCK, AND YOU SEE THESE GORGEOUS FIVE LANE PARKWAYS IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE. 
          THAT'S FORWARD THINKING. 
          OKAY. 
          INSTEAD, WE SIT AROUND AND WE LET THESE DEVELOPERS, WHY IS IT OKAY FOR SOMEBODY TO BUILD A 500 HOME SUBDIVISION ON ECKERD ROAD, BUT NOT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX? OKAY. 
          AND, AND THE FACT THAT WE SIT AROUND AND, AND WE WAIT FOR THESE PROBLEMS TO DEVELOP BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT, IS IT JUST NO, THIS IS RHETORICAL. 
          OKAY. 
          I DON'T EXPECT AN ANSWER. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST GLEN RANTING A LITTLE BIT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I SAW WE'RE, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A CHOICE. 
          THE, THE, THE, THE AMENDED UDC IS PRETTY CLEAR, SO WE WON'T ALLOW AN APARTMENT COMPLEX ON ECKERD ROAD, BUT WE'LL LET SOMEBODY BUILD A THOUSAND HOME SUBDIVISION ON ECKERD ROAD. 
          BUT SEE, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THIS AT THINGS FOR FUTURE AGENDA. 
          I HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE'LL SEE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          CLAYTON, YOU YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING? I'M SORRY. 
          YES. 
          I DON'T THINK I DO AT THIS POINT. 
          I MEAN, I WAS JUST GONNA REITERATE MY POINT THAT, 
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YOU KNOW, WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT IS SHOULD WE DO THIS, SHOULD WE DO THAT? AND TO BRIAN'S POINT, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD CHANGE YOUR POLICY. 
          I THINK THERE'S A BETTER ZONING TYPE THAT'S MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS YEAH. 
          THAT WOULD MATCH THE DENSITY THAT THEY'RE WANTING TO DO OUR FOUR. 
          I MEAN, WHEN WE AMENDED IT, I MEAN, IT'S SAM'S RIGHT, THEY'RE, THEY'D BE ABLE TO BUILD THREE STORY BUILDINGS, THEY'RE ABLE TO BUILD ALL THIS STUFF THAT I DON'T THINK WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. 
          I, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE SHOULD SAY NO, WE'RE GONNA DENY THIS, LIKE STAFF'S SAYING AND LET THEM COME BACK AS RFI, WHICH WOULD BE A LOT MORE APPROPRIATE AND FIT WITH WHAT WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED AS A BODY. 
          SO, WELL, IT, IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE, YOU KNOW, CORRECT. 
          BUT, BUT AT THAT POINT, THE DEBATE WOULD BE OVER SOMETHING THAT'S, THAT COULD BE POTENTIALLY BE MORE APPROPRIATE AND FITTING FOR WHAT THEY WANNA BUILD. 
          AND, AND, AND I'M SORRY, PART, PART OF IT IS JUST MY PERSONAL, YOU KNOW, WE, WE LIVE IN A CITY WITH A BUNCH OF CRAPPY ROADS, SO WHERE DO YOU BUILD ANYTHING? OKAY. 
          THAT, THAT, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M COMING FROM. 
          UM, SO LET ME JUST GO ON RECORD TO SAY THAT I WAS NOT DISPUTING OR EVEN TRYING TO DEBATE WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION WAS. 
          I, I GET THAT. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          I APPRECIATE THE EXPLANATION AND I DO THINK THAT YOUR COMMENT ABOUT, UH, HAVING A WORKSHOP TO HAVE THE CON THE GREATER CONVERSATION WITH SOME INTENTIONALITY, I, I WOULD BE HIGHLY IN FAVOR OF BECAUSE I CERTAINLY WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THE VISION AS WELL. 
          AND SOMETIMES YOU DON'T ALWAYS GET IT BY READING THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THE PLANS. 
          SO, UH, I JUST THINK THAT THAT WOULD CREATE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO COLLECTIVELY COME TOGETHER. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, AND I CERTAINLY, UH, WOULD CONSIDER MYSELF A AND YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS SOLUTION, THIS I THINK RAISED, I'M, I'M SORRY, RODERICK, I THINK THIS REALLY CAME TO A HEAD WITH, UM, THE, THE, THE R FOUR, THE REQUEST FOR R FOUR ZONING UP THERE, UM, UM, OFF OF, UM, OLD STEIN ON THE, ON THE HILL THERE WHERE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE 20 FOOT DRIVEWAY AND, AND ALL OF THAT. 
          I THINK THAT PROBABLY HAD A LOT TO DO WITH IT. 
          UM, AND NOW I JUST FORGOT THE POINT I WANTED TO MAKE. 
          OH, WELL, , AND, AND AGAIN, IF I MAY, IF YOU WANNA HAVE A WORK SESSION, IT MAY BE HELPFUL TO HAVE A WORK SESSION THAT TALKS ABOUT, WELL, TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES. 
          YEAH. 
          ONE IS LAND USE RELATIVE TO THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN AND THE ULTIMATE CAPACITY. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SO WHEN WILL THERE BE, BUT APPRECIATE, BUT THE OTHER PART IS THE TIMING OF PUTTING IN ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH IS SORT OF RELATED, BUT IS A SEPARATE ISSUE. 
          AND, AND AGAIN, I I, I WOULD CERTAINLY ENCOURAGE THAT DISCUSSION. 
          WE CONTINUE TO HAVE THIS, AND I APPRECIATE IT AND, AND YOU'VE NOT HEARD ME SAY I DISAGREE WITH IT. 
          I, I THINK THE CHALLENGE COMES AS WE COMBINE THOSE ISSUES TO, I MEAN, THOSE, YOU KNOW, THESE OTHER, AND I TALK ABOUT, I THINK IT'S WILLIAMSON COUNTY, I'M NOT SURE WHERE TRAVIS AND WHERE WILLIAM, BUT IT'S UP THERE. 
          UH, AND, AND THEY'VE JUST MADE DECISIONS. 
          THEY DO BUSINESS DIFFERENTLY THAN WE DO. 
          AND YOU KNOW, PART OF ME SAYS, WHY SHOULD WE GO OUT THERE AND BUILD A FIVE LANE THOROUGHFARE FOR THE DEVELOPERS UNLESS THERE'S SOME WAY TO RECOUP THAT MONEY. 
          SEE? AND, BUT, UM, IT'S, UM, AND THE QUESTION WOULD BE IS HOW DID WILLIAMSON COUNTY PAY FOR IT? RIGHT? WELL, SO IT'S QUITE POSSIBLE THAT WILLIAMSON COUNTY WENT OUT AND LIKELY ISSUED DEBT YES. 
          AND CONSTRUCTED THAT ROAD TO OPEN UP AREAS TO DEVELOP AND DIDN'T ADVANCE TO ENCOURAGE GROWTH IN THAT WAY AND TO NOT HAVE THESE ISSUES OF LAGGING. 
          RIGHT. 
          NOW WHAT THAT MEANS THOUGH, IS YOUR EXISTING PROPERTY OWNERS OR PAYING HIGHER TAXES YES. 
          TO BUILD THAT ROAD RIGHT. 
          TO, TO HELP DEVELOPMENT, YOU CAN HAVE ROADWAY IMPACT THESE THAT COME BACK IN AND HELP OFFSET IT. 
          AND SO, AGAIN, TO, TO ME, IT'S AN ARGUMENT OF HOW MUCH DO WE WANNA SPEND ON THINGS, RIGHT? SO WAS, SHOULD ECKERD ROAD HAVE BEEN MORE IMPORTANT THAN FIRE STATION FOUR? RIGHT. 
          IF I TOOK THE $10 MILLION THAT WE'RE GONNA PUT INTO FIRE STATION FOUR, WE COULD HAVE IMPROVED ECKERT ROAD. 
          WELL, YOU WANT THAT WAS NOT, THAT WAS NOT THE DECISION THAT WAS MADE. 
          YEAH. 
          WE COULD RAISE THE TAX RATE YEAH. 
          TO ISSUE ANOTHER $10 MILLION IN DEBT TO BUILD ECKERT ROAD. 
          YOU, YOU WANT THE RETIRED ASSISTANT FIRE CHIEF'S OPINION? YEAH. 
          YOU SHOULD SAVE YOUR MONEY BECAUSE I I SEE ABSOLUTELY NO REASON FOR STATION FOUR BEING WHERE IT IS. 
          THERE. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT, BUT THAT'S, BUT YOU SAY MY POINT. 
          AND SO I THINK NO, I, I UNDERSTAND BRIAN. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND YOU KNOW, UH, I, I'VE LIVED IN CHURCHS A LONG TIME AND OUR PHILOSOPHY, WELL I SAY OUR CITY COUNCIL, EVEN THOUGH IT'S, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE COME AND GONE, THE GENERAL CONSENSUS HAS ALWAYS BEEN THEY WANT TO KEEP PROPERTY 
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TAXES AS LOW AS POSSIBLE. 
          I GET THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UH, IT'S, IT'S JUST, AGAIN, AS I SAID, UM, PART OF ME, YOU KNOW, WHY SHOULD WE GO OUT THERE AND, AND, YOU KNOW, AND MAKE TURN ECKERD INTO A FOUR LANE JUST SO THE DEVELOPERS CAN BENEFIT FROM IT. 
          YOU KNOW, I, I, I REALLY THINK, AND HONESTLY, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN SOLVE LOCALLY. 
          I, I, I, I THINK THE DEVELOPERS SHOULD BE FORCED TO, TO, YOU KNOW, TO IMPROVE THOSE ROADS. 
          THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY IF SOS OR DONS, AND IF I MAY, WE JUST ALL VOTED YESTERDAY OVER THE PAST TWO WEEKS, AND WE VOTED FOR STATE OFFICIALS WHO MAKE THE LAWS IN PLACE. 
          AND SO CERTAINLY IF WE VOTED FOR PEOPLE AT A STATE LEVEL WHO, WHO AGREE WITH THE POSITIONS THAT WE EACH INDIVIDUALS TO TAKE AS TO WHAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO EXACT OUT DEVELOPERS, THEN YEAH. 
          THAT, THAT'S HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS. 
          NOW, IF WE VOTED FOR PEOPLE WHO SUBSEQUENTLY VOTED TO CHANGE THESE LAWS IN A WAY THAT DON'T LET US, AREN'T, MAKE US NOT AS ABLE TO REQUIRE DEVELOPERS TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS, THEN TO ME, WE, WE SORT OF ONLY HAVE OURSELVES TO BLAME. 
          YES, SIR. 
          I HEAR YOU. 
          I'LL GET DOWN ON MY SOAPBOX NOW. 
          NO, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT YOU, AND AGAIN, I WILL SAY THIS, AS YOU MENTIONED, COUNCIL WATCHES THIS VIDEO, SO THE POSITION OF PNZ IS WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT HOW WE INCREASE FUNDING OR SHIFT MORE FUNDING FOR ROADS TO, TO CATCH UP ON THIS AND GET AHEAD AND DEAL WITH WHERE WE HAVE TO. 
          YEAH. 
          THEN THEY WILL HEAR THIS DISCUSSION AS IT OCCUR. 
          I MEAN, YOU, LET ME GET ON MY SOAPBOX SO IT'S PERFECTLY ALL RIGHT FOR YOU TO GET ON YOURS. 
          OKAY? OKAY. 
          UM, BECAUSE OO, OTHER THAN THE CRUMMY ROAD, 'CAUSE SOMEBODY, I THINK IT WAS RODERICK ASKED, WHERE DO WE BUILD APARTMENTS? WELL, THIS SPOT LOOKS IDEAL, BUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE WON'T SUPPORT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST PLAIN AND SIMPLE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? NO. 
          YOU, YOU'RE TIRED OF LISTENING TO ME. 
          I'M SURE THEY ARE  IT, IT IS A GOOD PLACE FOR AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, BUT WE CAN'T BUILD AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, BUT WE CAN BUILD 600 HOUSES DOWN THERE. 
          SO I, WE HAVE AN ISSUE INDICATED WE HAVE AN ISSUE. 
          THEY'VE INDICATED THEY'RE GONNA PAY FOR THE ROAD, HAVE AN ISSUE. 
          ALRIGHT, WELL, I, I HAVE A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM THAT WE'LL WE'LL GET TO AT THE END OF THE MEETING, UH, BASED ON, BASED ON THE A PA CONFERENCE. 
          THEY HAVE A OKAY. 
          ANYTHING ELSE THEY, NO, I'M SORRY. 
          IT'S, UH, WELL, YEAH, YOU'RE THE APPLICANT. 
          SO I GUESS IF, ARE YOU GONNA ANSWER A QUESTION OR GIVE US NEW INFORMATION? IT'S, IS THAT ALL YOU THINK? THAT'S ALL RIGHT, BRIAN. 
          I MEAN, YEAH, I MEAN, OKAY. 
          COME ON. 
          UH, R FIVE WAS NOT AN OPTION WHENEVER WE INITIALLY SUBMITTED THIS APPLICATION. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO HAD THAT BEEN AN OPTION, WE WOULD'VE DEFINITELY PURSUED THAT ZONING DISTRICT BEFORE WE DID THE APPLICATIONS AND PAID THE FEES. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, SO I GUESS, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A QUESTION FOR YOU, SAM, BUT WOULD IT BE RECOMMENDED THAT WE WITHDRAW OUR CURRENT APPLICATION AND THEN NOT GO TO COUNCIL NEXT MONTH IF WE PURSUE THE R FIVE DISTRICT? WE CAN DO THAT. 
          AND THEN WITH THAT BEING SAID, SINCE THIS WAS PASSED AFTER WE PAID THE FEES, HOW DOES THAT FEE CORRESPOND WITH OUR NEW SUBMITTAL? OKAY. 
          YEAH, I, I'D DEFINITELY BE HAPPY TO KNOW THAT BECAUSE WE DID NOT HAVE R FIVE AS AN OPTION. 
          WE UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN WITH THE IMPROVEMENTS. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY WE DID DO THE LETTER OF COMMITMENT. 
          WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT WITH OUR ENGINEER. 
          WE UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN ABOUT AN APARTMENT. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT'S WHY WE REITERATED IT WASN'T A MULTI-STORY BUILDING. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, BUT WE DEFINITELY DO WANNA MOVE WITH THAT DIRECTION MORE THAN LIKELY. 
          SO, SAM, BUT YOU MENTIONED YOU'D ALREADY MADE THE PUBLIC, THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES HAVE ALREADY GONE OUT, OR WAS THAT JUST FOR THIS MEETING? IT SO IT, YEAH, IT WAS, WAS FOR THIS MEETING, BUT IT STILL MATTERS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE PUBLIC, THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY'S, THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES ARE ABOUT CITY COUNCIL. 
          THAT'S WHERE WE OKAY. 
          FACTOR IN THE PROTEST AND ALL THAT. 
          SO, BUT IF YOU'D LIKE TO, UH, WITHDRAW. 
          YEAH, I MEAN WE COULD, YOU CAN TALK ABOUT IT AFTER THE OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU CAN SEND ME AN EMAIL OR ANYTHING. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          WE CAN TALK. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO WHAT ARE WE DOING STILL? THERE'S STILL A RECOMMENDATION THAT, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA GO FORWARD, STILL HAVE TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS ONE HERE. 
          I RECOMMEND DENIAL OF PZC 2 0 2 4 0 2 4 2. 
          AND THAT WAS A MOTION. 
          SECOND. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I HAVE, UH, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO RECOMMEND, UH, DENIAL OF PLZC 2 2 4 0 2 4 2. 
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ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? AGAIN, A YES VOTE IS TO RECOMMEND DENIAL. 
          PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTES. 
          OKAY. 
          I HAVE FOUR VOTES. 
          YOU PUBLISH THAT PLEASE. 
          ALRIGHT, WE HAVE FOUR IN FAVOR AND NONE APPROVED. 
          SO THAT WILL GO FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL AS A, AS A RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL STAFF NEED ANYTHING ELSE? YOU THINK YOU GOT A PRETTY GOOD HAND ON IT? OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, I'M LOSING TRACK HERE. 
          FIVE C-P-L-Z-C 
          [C.  PLZC20240249 - Hold a public hearing and make a recommendation on a request to rezone approximately 100 acres of land from General Business District (GB) and Agricultural District (AD) to Manufacturing Light District (M-1) and Apartment / Multifamily District (R-4) generally located at the intersection of Schwab Road and IH 35, more specifically  known as Comal County Property Identification Numbers 79017, 75463, 79018, and 75468, City of Schertz, Comal County, Texas.]
20 24 0 2 4 9. 
          HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON A REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 100 ACRES OF LAND FROM GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AND AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT TO MANU, UH, TO MANUFACTURING. 
          WHITE DIS LEMME START OVER AGAIN. 
          HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON A REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 100 ACRES OF LAND FROM GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AND AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT TO MANUFACTURING LIGHT DISTRICT AND APARTMENT SLASH MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT. 
          GENERALLY LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF SCHWAB ROAD AND IH 35, MORE SPECIFICALLY KNOWN AS KAMAU COUNTY PROPERTY ID NUMBER 7 9 0 1 7 5 4 6 3 7 9 1 8 AND 7 5 4 6 8. 
          CITY OF SHERIFF'S, KAMAU COUNTY, TEXAS, SAM, THANK COMMISSION, PLZC 2 0 2 4 2 49. 
          SAMUEL HAAS, SENIOR PLANNER. 
          SO HERE IS THE PROPERTY LOCATION. 
          UH, THIS IS I 35 JUST TO THE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY. 
          AND WE HAVE SCHWAB ROAD, UH, JUST TO THE WEST IS APPROXIMATELY A HUNDRED ACRES. 
          IT IS OUTLINED HERE IN GREEN OCTOBER 25TH. 
          SEVEN PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES WERE SENT OUT. 
          SO FAR WE'VE RECEIVED ONE IN FAVOR AND ONE NEUTRAL. 
          AND ONE SIGN WAS ALSO PLACED ON THE PROPERTY, UH, PER THE APPLICANT LETTER OF INTENT, UH, 80.8 ACRES, UH, IN TOWARDS THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY, UH, IS PROPOSED FOR MANUFACTURING LIGHT DISTRICT AND ONE AND 19.2 ACRES FOR APARTMENT MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT ARE FOR UP FRONT ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF I 35. 
          AND THAT IS PER THE APPLICANT LETTER OF 10. 
          THAT IS TO ALLOW A 350 UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX, UH, TO THE NORTH OF THE PROPERTY. 
          IT IS AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT AND RIGHT OF WAY, UH, TO THE SOUTH IS THE IH 35. 
          UH, TO THE EAST THERE IS PRE-DEVELOPMENT, GENERAL BUSINESS TWO AND GENERAL BUSINESS. 
          AND THEN TO THE WEST THERE IS MANUFACTURING LIGHT DISTRICT AS WELL AS GENERAL BUSINESS. 
          ALL OF THAT IS MOSTLY UNDEVELOPED. 
          SO SAME, UH, CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL 2 1 5 4 D UH, WHETHER THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE IMPLEMENTS THE POLICIES OF THE ADOPTED COMP PLAN OR ANY OTHER APPLICABLE, UH, ADOPTED PLANS. 
          UH, SO AGAIN, THIS AREA IS DESIGNATED AS REGIONAL CORRIDOR INTENDED TO PROVIDE COMMERCIAL AND ENTERTAINMENT AREAS. 
          UH, ALSO HAS PROVISIONS FOR LARGE MULTIFAMILY COMPLEXES. 
          UH, ALSO IT DOES ACCOMMODATE SOME WAREHOUSING AND LOGISTICS ACTIVITY DUE TO THE, UH, PROXIMITY OF A MAJOR COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR OF IH 35. 
          UH, FOR THIS REASON, THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          UH, NUMBER TWO, WHETHER THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE PROMOTES HEALTH, SAFETY AND GENERAL WELFARE OF THE CITY. 
          UH, SO AS PART OF PROMOTING HEALTH, HEALTH SAFETY, GENERAL WELFARE, THE PROPOSAL SHOULD, UH, CONFORM TO THE UDC. 
          AND AS YOU CAN SEE HERE IN THIS, UH, AREA HERE, THIS IS, UH, THIS LITTLE MAP HERE. 
          YOU SEE THIS, UH, OUTLINED IN YELLOW IS THE CUTOFF OF WHAT THE PROPOSAL IS. 
          AND JUST SHOW THIS BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, SO MANUFACTURING IN THE AREA ALREADY AND THAT IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE SUITABLE AREA FOR DEVELOPMENT OF LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ASSEMBLY. 
          MANUFACTURING WAREHOUSES SHOULD BE LOCATED ON ONTARIO STREETS. 
          SCHWAB ROADS MEETS THIS CLASSIFICATION AND CO LOADING CO-LOCATING WITH OTHER M1 PROPERTIES. 
          UH, ALSO HELP PROMOTES THIS HEALTH SAFETY, GENERAL WELFARE. 
          THE U2 C WAS RECENTLY OMITTED ON OCTOBER 22ND, 2024 WITH 24 ORDINANCE 24 S 1 56. 
          AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED IN THE LAST PRESENTATION, THE NEW TICS EXPLICITLY STATES THAT APARTMENT DISTRICTS R FOUR SHOULD BE LOCATED ADJACENT TO ARTERIAL STREETS, SCHWAB ROAD AND IH 35 MEET OR EXCEED THIS CLASSIFICATION. 
          NUMBER THREE, WHETHER THE USE IS PERMITTED IN THE PROPOSED UNCHANGE WILL BE CONSISTENT AND APPROPRIATE WITH THE EXISTING USE OF IMMEDIATE AREA. 
          SO THE IMMEDIATE AREA IS LARGELY UNDEVELOPED RESIDENTIAL OR HAS INDUSTRIAL USES ALREADY. 
          THE PROPOSED LOCATION OF M1 TOWARDS THE REAR, UH, IS GENERALLY APPROPRIATE IN THAT LOCATION. 
          UM, AND THE PROPOSED USES IN APARTMENT MULTIFAMILY, R FOUR 
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BEING ON THE FRONTAGE OF IH 35 IS CONSISTENT WITH RESIDENTIAL USES JUST ACROSS, UH, THE HIGHWAY. 
          UH, NUMBER FOUR, WHETHER OTHER FACTORS ARE DEEMED RELEVANT AND IMPORTANT IN THE CONSIDERATION OF THE AMENDMENT. 
          SO THIS AREA OF SHIRTS HAS DEVELOPED SLOWLY DUE TO DEVELOPMENT CHALLENGES. 
          IT IS LARGELY UNDEVELOPED CURRENTLY. 
          UM, ADDITIONALLY, A LOT OF THESE PRO UH, PROPERTIES WERE RECENTLY ANNEXED IN THE SEA OF SHIRTS. 
          A LARGE DEVELOPMENT SUCH AS THIS WOULD HELP FOSTER FUTURE PROPOSALS AS DEVELOPING THE SITE WOULD REQUIRE SIGNIFICANT INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT. 
          SO STAFF RECOMMENDATION, THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE CONFORMS TO THE COMP PLAN AND, AND THE SURROUNDING USES ARE CONSISTENT. 
          ALSO, THIS PROPOSAL MEETS THE INTENT AND REQUIREMENTS OF EDC STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF PLZC 2 0 2 4 0 2 4 9 AND APPLICANT'S HERE. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SAM. 
          UH, GOOD EVENING. 
          PAUL LANDA WITH MTR ENGINEERS. 
          A FAMILIAR FACE. 
          WELCOME. 
          THANK YOU SIR. 
          NICE SEEING YOU AGAIN. 
          UH, AS I WAS STATING, PAUL LANDA 1 2 7 7 0 MARYLAND PATH SUITE, UH, 100 SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 4 9. 
          UM, I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT. 
          THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A MULTI-USE DEVELOPMENT OUT HERE WITH, UH, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, SOME GENERAL BUSINESS AND MULTI-FAMILY. 
          UH, THAT IS PRETTY MUCH CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN AND SO WE WOULD ENJOY YOUR SUPPORT AND UM, AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          IT IS, IT IS 7 42. 
          I'LL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THIS TOPIC IS WELCOME TO STEP FORWARD? NOBODY, NO ONE. 
          YOU SURE? OKAY. 
          IT IS 7 43 AND THE PUBLIC INPUT IS CLOSED. 
          COMMISSIONERS. 
          ALRIGHT, I'LL, I'LL GIVE IT A GO HERE. 
          UM, I'M NOT SURE WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SCHWAB ROAD, SAM, THIS, THIS PROPERTY DOES NOT, BUT SCHWAB ROAD, YOU KNOW, SO THE FACT THAT SCHWAB ROAD IS, IS AN ARTERIAL TO ME, UH, I DON'T REALLY SEE HOW THAT IMPACTS THIS PROJECT. 
          THE FACT THAT IT'S FRONT'S 35, UH, SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, BECAUSE I, I COULD SEE THAT BEING A BACK WAY INTO THE, INTO THE COMPLEX, UM, THROUGH WHATEVER GETS BUILT IN THE MULTI-USE. 
          BUT I HAVE TO ASSUME THAT THEIR PRIMARY ACCESS TO THE APARTMENTS WILL WILL BE OFF 35. 
          OKAY. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          ASK . 
          YES, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. 
          SO IS THAT THE ONLY ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY OFF OF, UH, ICE 35? THAT AN INAPPROPRIATE QUESTION. 
          SO COMAU COUNTY IS WORKING ON AN ALIGNMENT STUDY FROM, FOR EFFECTIVELY SCHWAB ROAD, AND I FORGET WHAT THEY CALL IT IN THEIR PLAN, OUTER LOOP, THE VARIOUS ALIGNMENTS THAT WE'VE SEEN OF THAT WOULD MOVE SCHWAB ROAD OVER ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY. 
          OKAY. 
          THE SAME PROPERTY OWNER IS BUYING ALL OF THIS AND HAS TALKED ABOUT HOW THEY ACCESS SCHWAB ROAD EITHER WAY. 
          AND SO THUS THE SCHWAB ROAD COMMENT OKAY. 
          IS IN PART BECAUSE LIKELY SCHWAB ROAD WILL BE REALIGNED GENERALLY OKAY. 
          IN SOME FORM OVER HERE, UH, BASED ON THAT. 
          WELL, THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW. 
          'CAUSE THAT WOULD CERTAINLY GIVE THEM ACCESS RATHER THAN RATHER COME DOWN TO THE TURNAROUND. 
          THEY, YEAH. 
          YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL THANK YOU. 
          APPRECIATE THAT. 
          I'M, I'M JUST SAYING THAT COUNSEL SAYS ARTERIAL AND WE'RE SITTING RIGHT ON 35, SO, RIGHT. 
          WHAT THE HECK? WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THAT AGAIN, I GUESS THAT'LL COME UP IN PLANNING AND SITE PLAN. 
          SITE PLAN IS, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, WHETHER OR NOT THEY CAN GET, GET, UH, TWO DRIVEWAYS ON 35, UM, THAT'S NOT, NOT AT THE CURRENT TIME IS NOT A ZONING ISSUE. 
          SO 
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ANYONE, ROGER, YOU HAVE ANYTHING? NO. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UH, SO AGAIN, THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          WE CAN RECOMMEND APPROVAL, DENIAL, OR APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS. 
          WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? YEP. 
          I MAKE A MOTION OF TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PLZC 2 0 2 4 0 2 4 9 SECOND. 
          OH, SORRY. 
          CUT. 
          CLAYTON? YEAH, YOU GOT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO COMMEND APPROVAL OF PLZC 2 2 4 0 4 PLZC 2 24 0 2 4 9. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE. 
          OKAY. 
          I HAVE FOUR VOTES. 
          PUBLISH THAT PLEASE. 
          I HAVE FOUR AYES. 
          NONE OPPOSED THAT MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, 
          [D.  PLSPU20240219 - Hold a public hearing and make a recommendation on a request for a Specific Use Permit to allow Mixed-Use Self-Storage in General Business District (GB) on approximately 3.6 acres, located along the IH-35 North access road, near the intersection of Cibolo Valley Drive, more specifically known as a portion of Guadalupe County Property Identification Number 185564, City of Schertz, Guadalupe County, Texas.]
ITEM FIVE D-P-L-S-P-U 20 24 0 2 1 9. 
          HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON A REQUEST FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO ALLOW MIXED USE SELF-STORAGE IN GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT ON APPROXIMATELY 3.6 ACRES. 
          LOCATED ALONG THE IH 35 NORTH ACCESS ROAD NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF SI VALLEY DRIVE, MORE SPECIFICALLY KNOWN AS A PORTION OF GUADALUPE COUNTY PROPERTY IDENTIFICATION NUMBER 1 8 5 5 6 4. 
          CITY OF CHURCH, GUO COUNTY, TEXAS. 
          OH, FRESH BLOOD. 
          THE NEW GUY. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          FRESH BLOOD, WISH ME LUCK. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          P-L-S-P-U 2 0 2 4 0 2 2 9. 
          A PROPOSED SUP FOR MIXED USE OF STORAGE. 
          WILLIE MOHAM PLANNER TO GET YOUR BEARINGS HERE, THIS IS THE PROPERTY LOCATED ON A 3.65 ACRES IS ON THE I 35 ACCESS ROAD NEAR THE INTERSECTION WITH CILLO VALLEY. 
          YOU CAN SEE THERE TO THE SIDE THEY HAVE THE QT AND THEN THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE VACANT AT THIS TIME. 
          SO WE SEE HERE THE ZONING WE HAVE, THE GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT IS CURRENTLY WHAT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS ZONED AS. 
          UH, RIGHT NOW THE LAND USE IS UNDEVELOPED TO THE NORTH. 
          WE HAVE THE GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AND MANUFACTURING DISTRICT LIGHT. 
          IT IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED AT THIS TIME TO THE EAST. 
          WE HAVE GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT WITH AN APPROVED SUP, WHICH IS A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS PUMPS THAT IS A QT LOCATED ALONG THE CORNER OF CILLO VALLEY AND I 35 TO THE SOUTH WE HAVE THE I 35 ACCESS ROAD RIGHT OF WAY. 
          AND TO THE WEST, THAT SAME PROPERTY THAT KIND OF JUST WRAPS AROUND THE SITE IS GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AND MANUFACTURING DISTRICT LIGHT UNDEVELOPED FOUR PUBLIC FOUR PUBLIC NOTICES WERE SENT OUT ON OCTOBER 22ND, 2024. 
          WE HAVE RECEIVED ZERO RESPONSES IN FAVOR NEUTRAL OR IN OPPOSITION. 
          TWO SIGNS WERE PLACED BY THE APPLICANT ALONG THE I 35 FRONTAGE ROAD AND A PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE WILL BE PUBLISHED IN THE SAN ANTONIO EXPRESS BEFORE CITY COUNCIL. 
          THE BACKGROUND ON THIS CASE AS PER UDC SECTION 21 5 8, A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT IS REQUIRED FOR A MIXED USE SELF STORAGE DEVELOPMENT IN GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT. 
          THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A FOUR STORY MIXED USE SELF STORAGE BUILDING TO INCLUDE APPROXIMATELY 2,250 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL OFFICE FLEX SPACE AT THE REAR OF A LARGER DEVELOPMENT THAT INCLUDES THE COMMERCIAL RETAIL STRIP ALONG IH 35 NORTH ACCESS ROAD, UDC SECTION 21 5 11 D CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL. 
          ONE. 
          THE PROPOSED USE AT THE SPEC SPECIFIED LOCATION IS CONSISTENT WITH THE POLICIES OF THE ADOPTED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OR ANY OTHER APPLICABLE ADOPTED PLANS. 
          THE PROPOSED SPECIFIC USE FOR A MIXED USE OF STORAGE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE POLICIES OF THE ADOPTED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND PLAN DESIGNATES THAT THIS SUBJECT PROPERTY AS REGIONAL CORRIDOR. 
          THIS LAND USE TYPE IS INTENDED FOR COMMERCIAL AREAS ALONG MAJOR THOROUGHFARES THAT SERVE POPULATIONS WITHIN THE CITY AND THE BROADER REGION. 
          THIS INCLUDES REGIONAL SHOPPING CENTERS, DEPARTMENT STORES, AND OFFICE BUILDINGS TO INCLUDE LIMITED INDUSTRIAL AND LOGISTICS USES. 
          ALL OF SUCH USES CURRENTLY EXIST IN THE REGIONAL CORRIDOR LAND USE TYPE. 
          AT THIS TIME, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A FOUR STORY MIXED USE CELL STORAGE BUILDING TO INCLUDE A RETAIL OFFICE SELECT SPACE AT THE REAR OF THE LARGER DEVELOPMENT THAT INCLUDES A COMMERCIAL RESOURCE STRIP ALONG I 35 NORTH. 
          THE USES ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE REGIONAL CORRIDOR DESIGNATED TO THE SITE BY THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND PLAN. 
          TWO. 
          THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PURPOSE AND INTENT OF THE APPLICABLE ZONING DISTRICT REGULATIONS. 
          THE CURRENT ZONING OF THE SITE AS GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE SUITABLE AREAS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF NON-RESIDENTIAL USES, WHICH OFFER A WIDE VARIETY OF RETAIL SERVICES ESTABLISHMENTS THAT ARE GENERALLY ORIENTED TOWARDS 
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SERVING THE OVERALL NEEDS OF THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. 
          THESE BUSINESSES ARE USUALLY LOCATED ALONG APPROPRIATELY DESIGNED AND ATTRACTIVELY LANDSCAPE SITES ALONG PRINCIPAL TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS. 
          THE PROPOSED SPECIFIC USE PERMIT ALLOWS A MIXED USE SELF STORAGE ALLOWS FOR RETAIL AND OFFICES ON THE FIRST FLOOR OF A MULTI-LEVEL ENCLOSED STORAGE FACILITY LOCATED ALONG I 35 ACCESS ROAD. 
          AND THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT THREE. 
          THE PROPOSED USE IS COMPATIBLE WITH AND PRESERVES THE CHARACTER AND INTEGRITY OF ADJACENT DEVELOPMENTS IN NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES SURROUNDED BY OTHER GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT PROPERTIES AND IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES TO THE EAST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY EXIST. 
          A QT ZONE GENERAL BUSINESS WITH AN APPROVED SUP FOR A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS PUMPS WHILE APPROXIMATELY 140 FEET WEST OF THE PROPERTY EXISTS. 
          THE ELECTRICAL SUBSTATION, THE PARCEL OF LAND TO THE NORTH AND WEST OF THIS PROPERTY IS ZONED AS MANUFACTURING DISTRICT LIGHT FURTHER NORTH FROM THE I 35. 
          FRONTAGE OR THE PROPOSED USE WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE OVERALL HEALTH SAFETY OR GENERAL WELFARE OF THE CITY AS PART OF PROMOTING HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE. 
          THE CITY SHOULD ENCOURAGE THE DEVELOPMENT OF COMPATIBLE OF COMPATIBLE USES SURROUNDING USES, UTILIZING STANDARDS AND TRADITIONAL USES TO ALLEVIATE NEGATIVE IMPACTS DUE TO THE EXISTING GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT ZONING OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AND THE LOCATION OF SUBJECT PROPERTY. 
          ON I 35, THE PROPOSED SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO ALLOW MIXED USE SELF STORAGE IN A GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT WOULD NOT POSE ADVERSE IMPACT ON ADJACENT PROPERTIES. 
          THE CITY OF SHIRTS FIRE EMS AND POLICE DEPARTMENTS HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED OF THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT AND HAVE NOT PROVIDED ANY OBJECTIONS. 
          FIVE. 
          WHETHER OTHER FACTORS ARE DEEMED RELEVANT AND IMPORTANT IN THE CONSIDERATION OF THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT STAFF IS ENSURED THAT ALL UDC REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN MET FOR THE PROPOSED SUP. 
          THE PUBLIC HEARING AND PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DISCUSSION IS AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION CAN DISCUSS OTHER CRITERIA RELEVANT TO THE CONSIDERATION OF THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. 
          SO OUR RECOMMENDATION STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF P-L-S-P-U 2 0 2 4 0 2 19. 
          THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO ALLOW MIXED USE SELF STORAGE AT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY CONDITIONED UPON THE FOLLOWING. 
          ONE, A BUILDING PERMIT IS APPROVED WITHIN TWO YEARS OF THE ADOPTION OF THE SUP ORIN OF THE SUP ORDINANCE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE ARTICLE FIVE, SECTION 21 5 11 F EXPIRATION OF SPECIFIC USE PERMIT AND TWO 20% OF THE USABLE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE PROPOSED MIXED USE SELF STORAGE BUILDING B FOR OFFICE SERVICE OR RETAIL SPACE AND SEPARATE FROM THE INDIVIDUAL UNITS FOR RENT OR LEASE. 
          AND WE JUST HAVE NOTED HERE THAT AFTER DISCUSSION WITH THE APPLICANT STAFF HAS AMENDED THE RECOMMENDATION TO DECREASE FROM 25% TO 20% OF THESE SQUARE FOOTAGE AS INITIALLY NOTED IN THE STAFF REPORT. 
          AND THE APPLICANT, I BELIEVE IS HERE THEY HAVE THE PRESENTATION. 
          WELL, GOOD EVENING, UH, JAMES GRIFFIN AT TEN TEN ONE REUNION PLACE, SUITE TWO 50, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS, UH, HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT. 
          UM, AND THE, AS YOU CALLED HIM CHAIR, THE, THE THE NEW GUY DID SO WELL. 
          UM, I DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT TO ADD. 
          UM, HE REALLY COVERED IT ALL, BUT I'LL, I'LL FLIP THROUGH THIS VERY BRIEFLY. 
          UM, OF COURSE, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          UM, AS, AS YOU HEARD, WE'RE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 35 HERE. 
          NOT MUCH AROUND US, UH, OTHER THAN THE NEW QT RIGHT THERE, UH, ON THE CORNER, WHICH, WHICH DOESN'T EVEN SHOW UP ON THE AERIAL THERE. 
          UM, KIND OF, KIND OF THE EDGE OF TOWN IN TERMS OF ZONING. 
          UM, THIS IS, UH, UH, WE'RE, UH, WE HAVE OUR BASE ZONING OF GB, UH, AND WE'RE ASKING FOR, UH, THE SUP FOR, UM, A VERY NEW CATEGORY. 
          UH, I THINK THIS JUST CAME BEFORE Y'ALL IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR OF THE MIXED USE SELF STORAGE, UM, WHICH IS A UNIQUE CONCEPT. 
          HERE'S OUR MORE TECHNICAL SITE PLAN. 
          UH, IT'S A, IT'S AN ODD SHAPED PROPERTY. 
          UM, GIVEN HOW WE KIND OF WRAP AROUND THE NEW, UH, QT GAS STATION, UH, WE'LL BE BUILDING, UH, EXTENDING, UH, FOUR OAKS, UM, IN THE BACK THERE, UH, WHICH YOU CAN PROBABLY SEE A LITTLE BETTER IN THE, IN THE NEXT PICTURE HERE. 
          UM, ALTHOUGH ONE THING TO POINT OUT ON THIS SITE PLAN, UH, THAT'S A LARGE OVERHEAD ELECTRIC LINE CUTTING THROUGH THE KIND OF FRONT CORNER OF THE PROPERTY THERE, UH, WHICH REALLY, YOU KNOW, FURTHER, FURTHER SQUEEZES US IN ON THIS SITE. 
          UH, HERE'S MORE ILLUSTRATIVE SITE PLAN, UM, WILL BE NICELY LANDSCAPED UP FRONT. 
          UH, HAVE A ONE STORY, UH, MULTI-TENANT, 
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UH, COMMERCIAL RETAIL BUILDING, UH, UP FRONT AND THEN THAT MIXED USE SELF STORAGE, UH, IN THE BACK. 
          UM, IT DOES HAVE THE FLEX SPACES AND THE, THE OFFICE, UH, KIND OF RETAIL COMPONENT, UM, ON THE FIRST FLOOR, UH, TO CREATE THAT MIXED USE BUILDING THAT MEETS THE INTENT, UH, OF THE NEW NEW USE CATEGORY. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, YOU SEE THE, UH, WELL, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GO BACK NOW, BUT YOU SAW THE EXTENSION OF FOUR OAKS, UH, COMING FROM CI OAK VALLEY DRIVE, WHICH, WHICH WILL, UH, ULTIMATELY CREATE SOME GOOD CONNECTIVITY, UH, AS YOU GO FURTHER FURTHER WEST. 
          UM, HERE'S A RENDERING OF THE SITE. 
          UM, YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, NICE, NICELY DESIGNED LANDSCAPED, UM, AND, AND SET BACK FROM 35 WITH THAT RETAIL IN FRONT. 
          UH, THERE'S A PICTURE OF THE STORAGE BUILDING ITSELF, THE MIXED USE STORAGE. 
          UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S IT. 
          SO, UH, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S TIME. 
          UH, WE ARE CERTAINLY IN AGREEMENT AND, AND SUPPORTIVE OF, UH, THE CONDITIONS PRESENTED BY STAFF AND RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR, FOR YOUR SUPPORT AS WELL. 
          UM, AGAIN, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          UM, WE HAVE SCOTT HANEY WITH, UH, KEY STORAGE, UH, WHO'S THE, THE DEVELOPER AND OPERATOR, UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM AS WELL. 
          SO THANK Y'ALL SO MUCH. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, IT IS, UM, 7 57. 
          I'LL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THIS TOPIC AS WE'RE WELCOME TO STEP FORWARD? ANOTHER STAMPEDE, RIGHT? ? YEAH, NO, I CAN'T STOP ASKING NOBODY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          IT IS, UH, 7 58 AND PUBLIC INPUT IS CLOSED. 
          COMMISSIONERS. 
          I, MY PERSONALLY, I ONLY HAD ONE NOTE AND THAT WAS THE, UH, ABOUT HOW THIS WAS GONNA IMPACT FOUR OAKS LANE AND YOU, YOU CERTAINLY ANSWERED THAT FOR ME. 
          SO, UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, GIVEN SOME OF THE, THE, THE LATEST, UM, RULINGS OR THINGS FROM THE LEGISLATURE, I WASN'T SURE HOW THAT WAS GONNA SHAKE OUT. 
          SO IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE DOING THAT VOLUNTARILY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE IT. 
          ANYBODY ELSE? ALRIGHT GENTLEMEN, THIS IS, UH, AGAIN, IT'S A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          WE CAN APPROVE THE DENY APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS. 
          UM, CERTAINLY STAFF HAS ATTACHED SOME CONDITIONS TO THIS ONE. 
          SO IF YOU, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANNA MAKE A MOTION TO JUST APPROVE IT, UH, AS SUBMITTED BY STAFF OR WITH THE, YOU KNOW, OR APPROVE IT WITH THE CONDITIONS SPECIFIED BY STAFF, SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE, RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL OF P-L-S-P-U 20 24 0 2 1 9 SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO ALLOW MIXED USE SELF-STORAGE AT THE PROPERTY MENTIONED WITH TWO CONDITIONS, UH, ONE AS PRESENTED BY STAFF AND THE SECOND ONE PRESENTED AS STAFF, BUT MODIFIED FROM 25% TO 20% SECOND. 
          IS THAT GREAT? YEAH, THAT'S IT. 
          WHERE'D THAT SECOND COME FROM? ME? ALRIGHT. 
          UH, HAVE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH, UH, WITH THE, WITH CONDITIONS FROM COMMISSIONER BRO, SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER WALLACE. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR COMMENT? IF NOT, PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE. 
          I SEE FOUR VOTES. 
          WOULD YOU PUBLISH THAT PLEASE? WE HAVE FOUR AYES, NONE OPPOSED. 
          SO THAT WILL, THAT WILL, UH, WILL RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO, UH, CITY COUNCIL ITEM 
          [E.  PLZC20240255 - Hold a public hearing and make a recommendation on a request to rezone approximately .23 acres of land from General Business District (GB) to Main Street Mixed Use District (MSMU), more specifically known as 702 Main Street, also known as Guadalupe County Property Identification Number 21458, City of Schertz, Guadalupe County, Texas.]
SIX E-E-L-Z-C 20 24 0 2 55, HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON A REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 0.23 ACRES OF LAND FROM GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT TO MAIN STREET MIXED USE DISTRICT, MORE SPECIFICALLY KNOWN AS 7 0 2 MAIN STREET, ALSO KNOWN AS GUDO COUNTY PROPERTY ID NUMBER 2 1 4 5 8 CITY OF CHURCH, GUADALUPE COUNTY, TEXAS. 
          AND SAM, IF YOU COULD, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M, I'M KIND OF GETTING AHEAD HERE, BUT IF, IF YOU CAN FIND OR IN YOUR PRESENTATION, 
          [02:00:01]
UM, KIND OF TELL US THE WHAT MSMM, MSS MU IS ALL ABOUT. 
          SURE. 
          ALRIGHT, THANKS. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          PZC 2 0 2 4 0 2 5 5 SAMUEL HAAS SENIOR PLANNER. 
          SO THE PROPERTY IS OUTLINED HERE IN GREEN. 
          THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, UH, IT IS ALONG MAIN STREET JUST TO THE NORTH. 
          UM, THIS IS FM 78 OVER HERE TO THE SOUTH. 
          UH, AND THEN I BELIEVE THIS IS CALLED, UH, WILLIAM STREET RIGHT HERE IN FRONT. 
          UM, OCTOBER 25TH, 10 PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE WERE SENT OUT SO FAR. 
          WE HAVE ONE IN FAVOR. 
          ONE SIGN WAS ALSO PLACED ALONG THE PROPERTY. 
          UH, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A PET STORE WITH GROOMING. 
          UH, THE, TO THE NORTH, AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, IS MAIN STREET TO THE SOUTH IS UNION PACIFIC. 
          THOSE ARE BOTH RIGHT AWAY AND ON EITHER SIDE IS THE, IS A GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, ONE IS BEING USED AS RESIDENTIAL AND ONE IS COMMERCIAL. 
          SO WHEN WE ARE, UH, LOOKING AT ZONE CHANGES, WE LOOK AT 21 5 4 D CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL. 
          UH, NUMBER ONE, WHETHER PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE IMPLEMENTS THE POLICIES OF THE ADOPTED COMP PLAN OR ANY OTHER OF APPLICABLE ADOPTED PLANS. 
          SO THE COMP COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS MAIN STREET, UH, WHICH IS A SPECIAL, UH, DISTRICT OR CLA OR DESIGNATION THAT IS INTENDED TO BE A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, AND CULTURAL USES, STRATEGICALLY DESIGNATED TO CREATE A PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY URBAN CORE. 
          THE RE OF THIS PROPERTY ALIGNS WITH THOSE GOALS AND THE COMP PLAN. 
          NUMBER TWO, WHETHER THE PROPOSED AGENT PROMOTES HEALTH SAFETY AND GENERAL WELFARE FOR THE CITY. 
          UH, STAFF HAS DETERMINED THAT THIS PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE SAFETY AND HEALTH OF THE CITY. 
          ADDITIONALLY, AS PART OF PROMOTING THE GENERAL WELFARE, IT IS GOOD PRACTICE TO ENCOURAGE COHESIVE DISTRICTS WITH ZONING AND LAND USES THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA. 
          MAIN STREET CORRIDOR IS A MIXED USE AREA WITH A VARIETY OF COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL USES. 
          THE ZONE CHANGE REQUEST DOES PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE BY CREATING THAT COHESIVENESS. 
          NUMBER THREE, WHETHER THE USE USES PERMITTED BY THE ZONE CHANGE WILL BE CONSISTENT AND APPROPRIATE WITH EXISTING USES IN THE MEDIA AREA. 
          THE MAIN STREET MIXED USE DISTRICT PERMITS A WIDE VARIETY OF USES FROM LESS INTENSE COMMERCIAL TO SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED RESIDENCES. 
          AND THIS MATCHES WHAT IS CURRENTLY IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA OF THE PROPERTY. 
          UH, WHETHER OTHER FACTORS ARE DEEMED RELEVANT AND IMPORTANT IN THE CONSIDERATION OF THE AMENDMENT. 
          SO MAIN STREET IS THE HISTORICAL, GEOGRAPHICAL AND CULTURAL HEART OF SHIRTS. 
          THE CORRIDOR SITS IN A FLOOD ZONE AND HA PRESENTS CHALLENGES FOR DEVELOPMENT. 
          DUE TO THIS, THE CITY HAS ADOPTED A LOT OF POLICIES AND MADE EFFORTS TO INCENTIVIZE DEVELOPMENT ALONG MAIN STREET, SUCH AS LOCAL FLAVOR GRANTS AND WAIVING DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION FEES. 
          AND THE CITY IS CURRENTLY IN THE DESIGN PHASE FOR RE RECONSTRUCTING MAIN STREET THOROUGHFARE ITSELF. 
          THIS REZONE APPLICATION BUILDS ON THESE CURRENT AND PREVIOUS EFFORTS TO CREATE A VIBRANT MAIN STREET DISTRICT FOR RESIDENTS AND VISITORS ALIKE. 
          AND I'LL JUST DO THE RECOMMENDATION FIRST AND THEN I'LL GO INTO THE, SO THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE DOES CONFORM TO THE COMP PLAN AND THE SURROUNDING LANE USES ARE CONSISTENT. 
          THE MAIN STREET, MAIN MAIN STREET MIXED USE DISTRICT IS UNIQUELY APPROPRIATE FOR MAIN STREET. 
          THEREFORE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVER OF PLZC 2 0 2 4 0 2 5 5. 
          SO I'LL GO BACK REAL QUICK TO, UH, MAIN STREET MIXED USE AND I BELIEVE IT WAS MR. HANSON HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS HERE. 
          UM, SO HIS FIRST QUESTION WAS ABOUT WHAT ARE THE CONSTRAINTS OF SELLING OF A GB DISTRICT? AND REALLY STAFF CAN'T REALLY COMMENT ON THE, ON, YOU KNOW, THE REAL ESTATE CHALLENGES, BUT, UH, I CAN SPEAK TO WHAT, UM, THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN MAIN STREET MIXED USE AND GB AND R TWO, WHAT YOU SEE PRESENTLY ALONG THIS CORRIDOR. 
          SO, UH, MAIN STREET MIXED USE IS, UM, A, A TRUE MIXED USE DISTRICT. 
          THERE ARE, UH, YOU CAN DO COMMERCIAL AND OR, UH, RESIDENTIAL, UH, USES WITHIN THAT DISTRICT RANGING FROM MULTI-FAMILY TO SINGLE FAMILY, SINGLE FAMILIES PERMITTED AS WELL. 
          UH, THE COMMERCIAL USES THAT ARE PERMITTED, UH, ARE TYPICALLY A LITTLE BIT LESS INTENSIVE THAN WHAT YOU'D SEE IN GB. 
          SO FOR INSTANCE, IN GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT YOU CAN DO A ALCOHOL PACKAGE SALES, BASICALLY A LIQUOR STORE. 
          UH, YOU CAN'T DO THAT IN THE MAIN STREET. 
          MIXED USE. 
          UM, YOU COULD DO A DEPARTMENT STORE IN GB BUT YOU CAN'T DO THAT IN MAIN STREET. 
          YOU CAN DO A HOTEL IN GENERAL BUSINESS, BUT YOU CAN'T DO THAT IN MAIN STREET, UH, LAUNDROMAT FOR EXAMPLE. 
          SO THE MORE INTENSIVE USES THAT YOU'D SEE MAYBE ALONG IH 35 OR FM 3 0 0 9, UH, THOSE ARE NOT PERMITTED WITHIN MAIN STREET, SOME OF THOSE ANYWAY. 
          UH, SO IT'S A LITTLE LESS INTENSE. 
          UH, AND IT'S MEANT TO BE MORE OF A, LIKE, LIKE IN THE PRESENTATION IT SAID A WALKABLE SORT OF COMMERCIAL ENVIRONMENT ALSO WITHIN MAIN STREET MIXED USE. 
          UM, AND, AND BEFORE I GET INTO THAT, I SHOULD MENTION THAT AN R TWO IS ONLY SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION. 
          SO YOU CAN ONLY HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE IN R TWO. 
          SO BY, UH, SO MAIN STREET HAS A LITTLE BIT MORE EVEN RESIDENTIAL PERMITTED USES, UH, WITHIN MAIN STREET AS WELL. 
          THERE ARE PROVISIONS WITHIN THE ZONING DISTRICT THAT HAVE, UM, SO I WOULD SAY, UH, A LITTLE BIT 
          [02:05:01]
LESS, UH, RESTRICTIVE, UH, SITE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS. 
          SO THERE IS, THERE'S A LOT OF LANDSCAPING AND A LOT OF, UM, BUFFERING THAT SOME APPLICANTS HAVE TO DO IN GENERAL BUSINESS, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'RE ABUTTING A RESIDENTIAL ZONE OR USE. 
          A LOT OF THOSE ARE, UH, EITHER ELIMINATED OR REDUCED IN THE MAIN STREET MIXED USE DISTRICT IN ORDER TO KIND OF BRING THE, THE DISTRICT TOGETHER AND SORT OF HAVE A, A LITTLE BIT MORE FLOW AND COHESIVENESS WITH THE DISTRICT. 
          SO THERE'S A, UM, THERE'S FEWER SORT OF SITE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS AS WELL WITHIN THE MAINSTREAM. 
          SO THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN GENERAL BUSINESS AND RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEP. 
          AND SO STAFFS RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PZ C 2 0 2 4 0 2 5 5 AND THAT'S ALL I GOT. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          APPLICANT HERE? I DON'T BELIEVE SO. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          IT IS, UH, 8 0 7. 
          OPEN THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC COMMENT THAT SAY YOU GET YOUR, ARE YOU SATISFIED WITH THAT EXPLANATION, SIR? ACTUALLY ABOUT OH, OKAY. 
          . 
          ANYBODY? NOBODY. 
          NOBODY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          IT'S STILL 8 0 7 AND I'LL CLOSE PUBLIC INPUT. 
          COMMISSIONERS COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? OH, I, I HAVE, I HAVE ONE SIMPLE ONE. 
          UM, THE, THE PROPOSED USE WOULD, WOULD, IS THAT NOT ALLOWED IN? I I'M JUST CURIOUS WHY THEY ASKED FOR THE REZONE IF THE, IF THE USE WAS PERMITTED IN GB, ALTHOUGH, I GUESS ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES TO MSMU IS IF THE REZONINGS APPROVED AND THEY CAN OPEN THEIR PET STORE AND IF IT, IF LET'S JUST SAY IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T MAKE IT, THEY CAN TURN IT BACK INTO A, THEY CAN TURN IT BACK INTO A HOME. 
          CORRECT? YES. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF VARIETIES OF THINGS YOU CAN DO WITH MSMU AND THEN ALSO, UH, YOU KNOW, I, THEY'RE SUGGESTING OR PROPOSING OR ASKING, REQUESTING THIS DISTRICT, UM, AND I SHOULD MENTION THAT IF THEY WERE TO, IT IS PERMITTED WITHIN GB TO DO A PET STORE WITH GROOMING. 
          UM, BUT ALL THOSE SITE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COME INTO PLAY. 
          SO YEAH. 
          AND SOME OF THOSE ARE PRETTY HARD TO, HARD TO DO WITH THESE LITTLE SKINNY LOTTS EXISTING SMALL WATTS. 
          YES SIR. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU FOR THEM. 
          CLAYTON, DID YOU GO ON SOMETHING? UH, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY GOOD TO SEE DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO THAT'S IT. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          GOOD TO SEE DEVELOPMENT ON MAIN STREET. 
          SO ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING? NO. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ONCE AGAIN, A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          APPROVE, DENY APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PLZC 2 0 2 4 0 2 5 5 SECOND. 
          ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER WALLACE, A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER HECTOR TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PLZC 20 24 0 2 5 5. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE. 
          I HAVE FOUR VOTES. 
          WOULD YOU PUBLISH THAT PLEASE? WE HAVE FOUR AYES, NONE OPPOSED THAT MOTION PASSES. 
          UH, SIX F-E-L-Z-C 
          [F.  PLZC20240232 - Hold a public hearing and make a recommendation on a request to rezone approximately 1.66 acres of land from General Business District (GB)  and Single Family Residential District (R-2) to Main Street Mixed Use District (MSMU), more specifically known as 819, 817, and 815 Main Street and 810 Exchange Avenue, also known as Guadalupe County Property Identification Numbers 29057, 29058, 29059, 29060, 67493, 67495 City of Schertz, Guadalupe County, Texas]
20 24 0 2 3 2. 
          HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON A REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 1.66 ACRES OF LAND FROM GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AND SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT TO MAIN STREET MIXED USE DISTRICT, MORE SPECIFICALLY KNOWN AS 8 19 8 17 AND EIGHT 15 MAIN STREET AND EIGHT 10 EXCHANGE AVENUE, ALSO KNOWN AS GUADALUPE COUNTY PROPERTY IDENTIFICATION NUMBER 2 9 0 5 7 2 9 0 5 8 2 9 0 5 9 2 9 0 6 0 6 7 4 9 3 6 7 4 9 5. 
          CITY OF SHE, GU COUNTY, TEXAS, THANK YOU COMMISSION. 
          PLZC 2 0 2 4 0 2 3 2. 
          SAMUEL HAAS SENIOR PLANNER. 
          SO HERE IS THE PROPERTY OUTLINED IN GRAIN, UH, AS YOU MENTIONED IT IS 8 19 17 N 15 MAIN STREET, WHICH ARE THESE PROPERTIES HERE. 
          AND THEN IT IS ALSO EIGHT 10 EXCHANGE. 
          UH, THE APPROXIMATE, UH, ACREAGE IS 1.66 ACRES. 
          SURE. 
          ITS PARKWAY IS RIGHT HERE. 
          MAIN STREET IS JUST TO THE SOUTH AND EXCHANGE AVENUE IS TO THE NORTH. 
          ON OCTOBER 25TH, 21, PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES WERE SENT. 
          SO FAR WE'VE SEEN, UH, 
          [02:10:01]
WE'VE RECEIVED ONE IN FAVOR AND ONE NEUTRAL AND TWO SIGNS WERE PLACED ON PROPERTY, ONE WAS PLACED ON MAIN STREET, ONE WAS PLACED ON EXCHANGE. 
          UH, AND AGAIN, KIND OF JUST RUNNING THROUGH WHAT IS THERE SO CURRENT, THE EXISTING USES, UH, RANGE, UH, RIGHT NOW BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL, UH, THE R TWO AND THE GB OVER HERE ON THE CORNER OF EXCHANGE AND SHIRTS PARKWAY. 
          AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A RETAIL COMMERCIAL BUSINESS THERE AS WELL. 
          UM, TO THE NORTH, UH, IS EXCHANGE AVENUE TO, TO THE SOUTH IS MAIN STREET TO THE EAST OF SHS PARKWAY AND TO, UH, THE WEST IS SOME MORE MAIN STREET MIXED USE ZONING, AND THEN ALSO A R TWO ZONING AS WELL. 
          UH, PER, PER THE APPLICANT LETTER OF INTENT, UH, THERE IS NO PLANS TO DEVELOP AT THIS TIME. 
          THE ZONE CHANGE IS REALLY JUST FOR FUTURE CONSIDERATIONS. 
          UH, 2 1 5 4 D CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL, WHETHER THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE IMPLEMENTS THE POLICY OF ADOPTED COMP PLAN OR ANY OTHER ADOPTIVE PLANS. 
          I'M GONNA SOUND LIKE A BROKEN RECORD HERE, SORRY. 
          BUT THE COMP PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS A MAIN STREET CORRIDOR, INTENDED TO BE A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, AND CULTURAL USES, STRATEGICALLY DESIGNATED TO CREATE A PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY URBAN CORE. 
          THE REZONE ALIGNS WITH THE COMP PLAN. 
          NUMBER TWO, WHETHER THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE PROMOTES HEALTH, SAFETY AND GENERAL WELFARE OF THE CITY. 
          SO THIS IS, UH, IS GOOD PRACTICE TO CREATE COHESIVE DISTRICTS AND WITH ZONING AND LAND USES THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA. 
          THE MAIN STREET CORRIDOR IS A MIXED USE AREA WITH A VARIETY OF CULTURAL AND RESIDENTIAL USES. 
          THE ZONE CHANGE REQUEST PROMOTES THE GENERAL WELFARE BY CREATING THAT COHESIVENESS. 
          NUMBER THREE, WHETHER THE USE IS PERMITTED BY THE PROPOSED ENTRIES WILL BE CONSISTENT AND APPROPRIATE WITH EXISTING USES. 
          THE MAIN STREET MIXED USE DISTRICT PERMITS A WIDE VARIETY OF USES FROM LESS THAN 10 COMMERCIAL TO SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED RESIDENCES. 
          THIS MATCHES WHAT IS CURRENTLY IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA OF THE PROPERTY. 
          AND NUMBER FOUR, WHETHER OTHER FACTORS ARE DEEMED RELEVANT AND IMPORTANT IN THE CONSIDERATION OF THE AMENDMENT. 
          AGAIN, MAIN STREET IS THE HISTORICAL, GEOGRAPHICAL AND CULTURAL HEART OF SHIRTS. 
          THE CORRIDOR SITS IN A FLOOD ZONE. 
          LOTS OF CHALLENGES FOR DEVELOPMENT. 
          THE CITY HAS ADOPTED POLICIES TO HELP EFFORTS TO INCENTIVIZE DEVELOPMENT ON MAIN STREET, SUCH AS LOCAL FLAVOR GRANT AND WAIVING SOME DEVELOPMENT. 
          APPLICATION FEES IN THE CITY IS CURRENTLY RECONSTRUCTING AND DESIGNING THE MAIN STREET THOROUGH FAIL ITSELF. 
          THIS REZONE APPLICATION BUILDS ON CURRENT AND PREVIOUS EFFORTS TO CREATE A VIBRANT MAIN STREET DISTRICT FOR RESIDENTS AND VISITORS ALIKE. 
          THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE CONFORMS TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SURROUNDING LA LAND. 
          USES ARE CONSISTENT AND THE MAIN STREET MIXED USE DISTRICT IS UNIQUELY APPROPRIATE FOR MAIN STREET. 
          THEREFORE, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF PZ C 2 0 2 4 0 2 3 2. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SAM. 
          THE APPLICANT? NOPE. 
          OKAY, IT IS, UH, EIGHT 13. 
          OPEN THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          NO ONE. 
          NO ONE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          IT IS EIGHT 14 AND THE PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED. 
          COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT, AGAIN, THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          WE CAN APPROVE, RECOMMEND APPROVAL, DENIAL, OR APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS. 
          IF SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE PLZC 2 0 2 4 0 2 3 2 SECOND. 
          YEAH, I HAVE A, UM, I HAVE A COM, A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER WALLACE AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER BRO TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PLZC 2 24 0 2 3 2. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE. 
          I HAVE FOUR VOTES. 
          CAN WE PUBLISH THAT PLEASE? WE HAVE FOUR IN FAVOR. 
          NONE OPPOSED THAT. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          [G.  PLZC20240237: Hold a public hearing and make a recommendation on a request to rezone approximately 3.014 acres of land to Agricultural District (AD), more specifically known as a portion of Comal County Property Identification Number 79004, Comal County, Texas.]
ITEM SIX G-P-L-Z-C 20 24 0 2 3 7. 
          HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON A REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 3.0, HUH? OKAY. 
          HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON A REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 3.014 ACRES OF LAND TO AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT, MORE SPECIFICALLY KNOWN AS A PORTION OF KAMAL COUNTY PROPERTY IDENTIFICATION NUMBER 7 9 0 0 4. 
          KAMAU COUNTY, TEXAS. 
          EMILY, GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. 
          SO THIS IS FOR PLZC 20 24 0 2 3 7, APPROXIMATELY 3.014 ACRES TO AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT, EMILY DELGADO, PLANNING MANAGER. 
          [02:15:02]
SO AS SOME BACKGROUND, UM, AS I'M SURE THE COMMISSIONER MEMBERS, IN JULY OF 2024, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED ORDINANCES TO ANNEX OVER 3000 ACRES INTO THE CITY OF SHIRTZ BASED ON EXPIRING DELAYED ANNEXATION DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS. 
          AS PART OF THAT PROCESS, CONWELL COUNTY PROPERTY IDENTIFICATION NUMBERS 7 9 0 0 4 7 9 0 0 6 AND 7 9 0 0 9, OWNED BY MR. TIMOTHY FI AND CHARLENE FI, WHO HAVE STUCK IT OUT THROUGH THE WHOLE MEETING WITH US, UM, WE'RE SCHEDULED TO BE ANNEXED AND ZONED AT THAT TIME. 
          HOWEVER, AS PART OF THAT ANNEXATION EFFORT, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED RESOLUTION 24 R 81, WHICH AUTHORIZED A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS. 
          THE FIVES OWN APPROXIMATELY A HUNDRED 0.535 ACRES OF PROPERTY, OF WHICH APPROXIMATELY ONE ACRE IS UTILIZED AS THEIR HOMESTEAD AND THE REMAINDER IS FOR AGRICULTURAL PURPOSES. 
          AS PART OF THAT AGREEMENT, THE PROPERTY OWNER AUTHORIZED THE ANNEXATION OF THE AGRICULTURAL LAND WHILE THE RESIDENTIAL LAND WAS TO REMAIN IN THE ETJ BASED ON THOSE AGREEMENTS, UH, ON JULY 16TH, IN ADDITION TO APPROVING RESOLUTION, 24 R 81 CITY COUNCIL ALSO APPROVED ORDINANCE 24, A 49 AND 24 A 50, WHICH ANNEXED CONEL COUNTY PROPERTY ID 7 9 0 0 6 AND 7 9 0 0 9, WHICH LEAVES 7 9 0 0 4. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR TONIGHT. 
          SO IN THAT, UM, 4.014 ACRE TRACT, WHICH IS 7 9 0 0 4 1 ACRE IS THEIR HOME. 
          AND THE REST OF IT, THE 3.014, WHICH IS WHAT'S BEING REQUESTED FOR ZONING TONIGHT, IS AGRICULTURAL BASED ON IT BEING AGRICULTURAL, IT IS SUBJECT TO ANNEXATION BASED OFF OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. 
          IT STARTED THAT ANNEXATION PROCESS AT THE OCTOBER 15TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING WHERE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED RESOLUTION 24 R 1 31 ACCEPTING THE VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION PETITION. 
          THE PURPOSE OF THIS CASE IS TO ESTABLISH THAT ZONING DESIGNATION FOR, UM, 7 9 4 WHILE IT'S GOING THROUGH THAT ANNEXATION PROCESS. 
          SO HERE IS THAT PROPERTY IN QUESTION. 
          THE ENTIRE 7 9 4 IS THE SQUARE HERE. 
          UH, 3.014 IS THE AGRICULTURAL, ONE IS THE RESIDENTIAL. 
          AND AGAIN, THE ONE ACRE THAT'S RESIDENTIAL DOES GET TO REMAIN IN THE ETJ BASED OFF THAT AGREEMENT PER COUNCIL. 
          SO YOU MAY REMEMBER IT WAS LAST, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING. 
          YOU ACTUALLY HEARD THE REST OF THE PHI AND RAY PROPERTIES FOR ANNEX, UH, FOR ZONING. 
          THEY WERE ANNEXED IN JULY BUT DIDN'T GET ZONING AT THAT TIME. 
          SO WE'RE KIND OF DOING CATCH UP WITH THOSE RATHER THAN DO THAT WITH 7 9 0 0 4 OR DOING THE ANNEXATION AND THE ZONING AT THE SAME TIME. 
          ON OCTOBER 22ND, TWO PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES WERE SENT OUT. 
          UH, ONE WE'VE RECEIVED ONE IN FAVOR, NO NEUTRAL AND NO OPPOSITION. 
          A PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE WILL BE PUBLISHED IN THE SAN ANTONIO EXPRESS NEWS. 
          AND THIS CASE ALONG WITH THE ANNEXATION IS SCHEDULED FOR THE, UH, DECEMBER 3RD CITY COUNCIL MEETING. 
          ADDITIONALLY, COMA ISD WAS NOTIFIED AS WELL. 
          SO WHEN WE LOOK AT ZONINGS, WE LOOK AT 21 5 4 D NUMBER ONE HERE. 
          WHETHER THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE IMPLEMENTS THE POLICIES OF THE ADOPTED COMPREHENSIVE LAND PLAN OR ANY OTHER APPLICABLE ADOPTED PLANS. 
          SO THIS IS, UH, PROPOSED TO ZONE THE PROPERTY AS AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT. 
          THE, UH, DESIGNATION FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN IS DEVELOPMENT DEFERMENT, WHICH IS TYPICALLY UTILIZED FOR LARGE TRACKS THAT HOUSE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL. 
          UM, HOWEVER, UH, DEVELOPMENT DEFERMENT IS ALSO IDENTIFIED AS NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT AT FUTURE, UH, LAND USE MAP UPDATES. 
          THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN IS THAT GUIDING DOCUMENT. 
          HOWEVER, THE EXISTING CONDITIONS AND EXISTING LAND USES NEED TO BE CONSIDERED WHEN REVIEWING ZONING APPLICATIONS. 
          THE PROPOSED ZONING IS NOT BASED ON PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, BUT STRICTLY DUE TO THE ANNEXATION OF THE SUBJECT. 
          PARCEL NUMBER TWO, WHETHER THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE PROMOTES THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND GENERAL WELFARE OF THE CITY. 
          AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT IS INTENDED TO BE A BASE ZONING DISTRICT FOR AGRICULTURE AND RESIDENTIAL USES. 
          RESIDENTS IN THIS DISTRICT ARE INTENDED TO BE ON A MINIMUM LOT SIZE, UM, AND IT DOES ALLOW THAT CLUSTERING OF, OF ADDITIONAL HOMES. 
          THIS DISTRICT IS SUITABLE FOR AREAS WHERE DEVELOPMENT IS PREMATURE DUE TO LACK OF UTILITIES CAPACITY OR SERVICE. 
          AND THE PROPOSED ZONING DOES, EXCUSE ME, I'M GETTING ALL CHOKED UP HERE. 
          THE PROPOSED ZONING DISTRICT DESIGNATION IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING LAND USES AND EXISTING ZONING DESIGNATIONS OF THE SUBJECT OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. 
          SO AGAIN, ALL OF THE REST OF THE PROPERTIES, EXCEPT THAT ONE ON 10 THAT WERE ANNEXED IN JULY, ARE ZONED AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT. 
          THE PROPERTIES IMMEDIATELY SURROUNDING THIS TRACTOR GOING THROUGH THAT ZONING PROCESS. 
          UH, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT, AND THAT IS ACTUALLY BEING HEARD NEXT WEEK, UH, BY CITY COUNCIL. 
          NUMBER THREE, WHETHER THE USE IS PERMITTED BY THE PROPOSED CHANGE WILL BE CONSISTENT AND APPROPRIATE WITH EXISTING USES IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA. 
          SUBJECT PAR PARCEL IS CURRENTLY BEING USED FOR AGRICULTURAL PURPOSES. 
          [02:20:01]
THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT, UH, ZONING DESIGNATION IS IMMEDIATELY, UH, SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY AND, UH, IS CONSISTENT. 
          NUMBER FOUR, WHETHER OTHER FACTORS ARE DEEMED RELEVANT AND IMPORTANT IN THE CONSIDERATION OF THE AMENDMENT. 
          SO AGAIN, I MENTIONED RESOLUTION 24 R 81. 
          THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT DOES STATE THAT WE WILL, UH, UM, AGREE TO PERMANENTLY ZONE SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH THE ANNEXATION, UM, THE AGRICULTURAL TRACT. 
          AND AT OCTOBER 15TH, CITY COUNCIL MEETING, WE'VE ALREADY STARTED THAT ANNEXATION PROCESS. 
          AND THEN AGAIN, THE REST OF THE FIVE PROPERTIES ARE GOING THROUGH THAT, UM, ZONING PROCESS AT THIS THE SAME TIME. 
          SO DUE TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AUTHORIZED BID BY CITY COUNCIL, THE PROPOSED ZONING DESIGNATION OF AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT IS IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE COMP PLAN AND IS CONSISTENT WITH OTHER PROPERTIES THAT WERE ANNEXED IN JULY OF 2024. 
          AND ZONED AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AND AS I MENTIONED, THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND IT IS, UH, 8 22. 
          I'LL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          I DON'T SEE ANYONE ELSE. 
          SO IT IS STILL 8 22 AND WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC INPUT. 
          UM, EMILY, COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE CURRENT AND PROPOSED, UH, ZONING MAP? SO, UM, YEAH, SO THE, UM, PURPLE AREA MM-HMM  THAT, THAT'S CURRENTLY, IT'S WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS, BUT DOES NOT TECHNICALLY HAVE A ZONING DESIGNATION. 
          WHEN IT WAS ANNEXED IN JULY, IT WAS REMOVED FROM THESE ZONING ORDINANCES THAT HAPPENED AT THE SAME TIME. 
          SO THAT'S WHY THOSE, THAT CASE WAS BROUGHT BEFORE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION LAST MONTH. 
          SO AT THIS TIME, IF, IF YOU REALLY LOOK AT THE MAP COMPLETELY SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY, IT'S IN THE CITY LIMITS BUT HAS NO ZONING. 
          BUT LAST MONTH WE RECOMMENDED A AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT AD. 
          MM-HMM, , OKAY. 
          YES, SIR. 
          BUT BECAUSE IT'S NOT COMPLETE, THE MAP DOESN'T REFLECT THAT. 
          ALRIGHT? YES, SIR. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. 
          ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? OKAY. 
          UH, JUST LIKE THE PREVIOUS SIX, THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          WE CAN RECOMMEND APPROVAL, DENIAL APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS. 
          SOMEONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE PLZC 2 0 2 4 0 2 3 7 SECOND. 
          ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER WALLACE AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER HECTOR TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PLZC 2 2 4 0 2 3 7. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE. 
          HANG ON JUST A SECOND. 
          I DIDN'T CLEAR THE OLD ONE. 
          J. 
          GIMME JUST A SECOND HERE. 
          ALRIGHT, THERE YOU GO. 
          GETTING A LITTLE BEHIND THE POWER CURVE HERE. 
          ALRIGHT, I SEE FOUR VOTES. 
          YOU PUBLISH THAT PLEASE. 
          I HAVE FOUR. 
          UH, FOUR IN FAVOR? NONE OPPOSED THAT MOTION PASSES. 
          SORRY, YOU WERE AT THE END OF THE LIST. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          UM, MOVING RIGHT ALONG HERE. 
          [A. Requests by Commissioners to place items on a future Planning and Zoning Agenda]
ITEM NUMBER SIX IS REQUEST AND ANNOUNCEMENTS. 
          AND I MAY USE REQUEST BY COMMISSIONERS TO PLACE ITEMS ON A FUTURE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENDA. 
          SO THIS IS WHAT I'VE KIND OF BEEN LOOKING FORWARD TO BASED ON SOME, SOME THINGS I LEARNED AT THE A PA CONFERENCE. 
          UM, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS, IS HAVE A WORKSHOP, UH, ON THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT ZONING, PLATING, SITE PLAN, UM, AND WHAT WE DO, UH, IN EACH OF THOSE STEPS. 
          UM, BECAUSE ONE OF THE PRESENTATIONS I SAW IS, IS KIND OF WHAT WE SEE EVERY TIME WE DO A ZONING REQUEST. 
          PEOPLE, UH, PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE, THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, TRAFFIC AND YET WE DON'T ADDRESS ROADS AND UTILITIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT UNTIL WE GET TO PLATING. 
          AND SO SOME, SOME JURISDICTIONS HAVE REDONE THEIR ZONING ORDINANCE TO TAKE SOME, TO MOVE SOME OF THOSE THINGS, UH, UP IN THE PROCESS. 
          SO I WOULD JUST LIKE A WORKSHOP THAT WE COULD, UM, 
          [02:25:01]
PRI AND, AND, YOU KNOW, UH, A LITTLE MORE EDUCATION FOR US ABOUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN EACH OF THOSE, UM, STEPS. 
          AND THEN MAYBE A DISCUSSION IF, IF MAYBE WE WANT TO MOVE SOME OF THAT STUFF, UH, CLOSER TO THE BEGINNING. 
          UH, CAN WE STAND? MM-HMM, . 
          OKAY. 
          AND HOPEFULLY YOU'LL DO THAT. 
          YOU CAN, IF YOU CAN FIND IT'S, IT'S, UM, A LESS CROWDED AGENDA TO DO THAT, YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN TRYING TO LUMP, YOU KNOW, I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T WANNA SEE THAT ON ONE LIKE THIS. 
          I, I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS THERE'S NO RUSH TO DO THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I WAS JUST GONNA LET YOU KNOW, MR. OUTLAW, DECEMBER IS PROBABLY GONNA BE ANOTHER PRETTY HEAVY MEETINGS, SO DON'T EXPECT TO SEE THIS UNTIL PROBABLY JANUARY. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          NO, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          OH, AND BY THE WAY, IF, IF THAT'S TRUE, I'M SICK AT THE DECEMBER MEETING, SO , ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING? AND, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I WAS GOING EARLIER, BRIAN. 
          YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE THINGS I, SINCE A PA I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT IT AND I WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, ANNOUNCEMENTS BY 
          [B. Announcements by Commissioners 	City and community events attended and to be attended 	Continuing education events attended and to be attended]
COMMISSIONERS. 
          I'D JUST LIKE TO THANK THE CITY FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, TO GO TO ALLEN, UH, THIS YEAR AND, AND ATTEND THE A PA. 
          UM, AS I SAID, UM, UM, HAD SOME VERY INTERESTING THERE, THERE WAS, UM, UH, AND I'M GONNA HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH THE AGENDA. 
          UM, UH, VERY INTERESTING SPEAKER AND SHE HAD A LOT, UH, A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION AND I LEARNED A LOT FROM THAT CONFERENCE. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          . 
          YES. 
          SO, EXCUSE ME. 
          SO I TOO JUST WANTED TO, UH, THANK THE CITY AS WELL AS STAFF FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO ATTEND, UH, A PA. 
          IT WAS MY FIRST ONE, UH, EXTREMELY ENLIGHTENING. 
          UH, AND, UH, YEAH, I AM ACTUALLY STILL READING THROUGH, UH, SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT I GOT THERE, BUT, UH, BUT IT WAS, AND, UH, APPRECIATE, UH, HAVING TO SPEND THE TIME WITH THE STAFF AND COLLEAGUES WHO ATTENDED AS WELL. 
          UH, IT WAS VERY BENEFICIAL. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. 
          ANYONE ELSE? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, 
          [C. Announcements by City Staff. 	City and community events attended and to be attended.]
ANNOUNCEMENTS BY CITY STAFF, ANYTHING? NOPE. 
          SLOW MONTHS, HUH? OKAY. 
          ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS INFORMATION 
          [A.  Current Projects and City Council Status Update  ]
AVAILABLE WHEN THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION PACKETS. 
          NO DISCUSSION TO APPEAR. 
          SO IN THERE YOU'LL FIND, UH, THE, THE CURRENT STATUS OF, UH, PROJECTS THAT WE'VE SENT FORWARD TO CITY STAFF AND ON THE CITY STAFF, CITY COUNCIL, AND WHAT ACTION THEY HAVE TAKEN THAT TAKEN ON THOSE. 
          SO IT IS NOW 8 8 29 AND THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.
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