Nov 19, 2024 City Council

ON THE AGENDA IS WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION, SMALL BUSINESS, UH, SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 30TH, 2024.

COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS.

UH, FIR UH, FIRST

[ Small Business Saturday-November 30, 2024 (Councilmember Heyward)]

IF I COULD HAVE MATT AND INGA JOIN US UP HERE AND COUNCIL MEMBER HAWARD WILL BE READING THE PROCLAMATION, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE? COME OVER HERE AND THEN WE'LL, YES, I'M EXCITED ABOUT DOING THIS 'CAUSE THIS IS MY FAVORITE PLACE TO EAT PIZZA.

AND I LOVE THEIR, IS IT KETO PIZZA? THAT'S RIGHT.

SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY, 2024.

IT'S GOOD.

YOU SHOULD TRY IT.

NOVEMBER 30TH, 2024.

WHEREAS SMALL BUSINESSES ARE THE BACKBONE OF OUR LOCAL ECONOMY, SERVING AS A CRITICAL FOUNDATION FOR THE PROSPERITY AND STRENGTH OF SHIRTS.

AND WHEREAS THE DEDICATED ENTREPRENEURS AND BUSINESS OWNERS WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY BRING UNIQUE SERVICES, GOODS, AND JOBS CONTRIBUTING TO THE VIBRANT CHARACTER AND CULTURE OF THE CITY.

AND WHEREAS SMALL BUSINESSES AND SHIRTS NOT ONLY ENHANCE THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR RESIDENTS, BUT ALSO PLAY A PIVOTAL ROLE IN GENERATING JOBS, SPURRING INNOVATION, AND FOSTERING A SENSE OF COMMUNITY.

WHEREAS SATURDAY AFTER THANKSGIVING, COMMONLY KNOWN AS SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY PROVIDES A SPECIAL OPPORTUNITY FOR RESIDENTS TO SUPPORT AND UPLIFT LOCAL BUSINESSES, ENSURING THEIR CONTINUED SUCCESS AND REINFORCING THE IMPORTANCE OF SHOPPING LOCAL.

WHEREAS WE ENCOURAGE THE RESIDENTS AND VISITORS ALIKE TO SHOP, DINE, EXPLORE THE MANY OFFERINGS OF THE CITY OF CHURCH'S SMALL BUSINESSES, WHICH KEEP OUR CITY STRONG, RESILIENT, AND ECONOMICALLY THRIVING.

WHEREAS BY PARTICIPATING IN SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY, WE CELEBRATE THE ENTREPRENEURIAL SPIRIT THAT DRIVES OUR CITY'S SUCCESS, INSPIRE FUTURE LOCAL BUSINESS LEADERS AND HELP BUILD A BRIGHTER FUTURE FOR ALL.

NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED ON BEHALF OF THE MAYOR RALPH RALPH GUTIERREZ, MAYOR OF CITY OF CHURCHS, WE DO HEREBY PROCLAIM NOVEMBER 30TH, 2024, A SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY IN CHURCH, AND CALL UPON ALL THE CITIZENS TO SUPPORT OUR SMALL BUSINESSES BY SHOPPING LOCALLY, INVESTING IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND CELEBRATING THE SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTIONS OF SMALL BUSINESSES TO THE VIBRANCY AND ECONOMIC HEALTH OF OUR CITY.

YOU HAVE SOMETHING? WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY? OH, I GOT VOLUNTEERED.

YOU GOT VOLUNTEERED.

UH, SMALL BUSINESS.

WE ARE A PRODUCT OF SHIRTS.

OUR COMPANY IS, AND SMALL BUSINESSES MAKE SUCH A HUGE DIFFERENCE.

IT CREATES THE FLAVOR OF THE TOWN.

YOU DON'T WANT JUST ANOTHER BIG FRANCHISE CHAIN, NATIONAL, EVERY SHOPPING CENTER YOU WANT TO HAVE LOCAL.

YOU WANT TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT SHOWS THE FLAVOR OF THE TOWN, THE PERSONALITY OF THE TOWN.

SO WE CHALLENGE ALL OF OUR OTHER FELLOW SMALL BUSINESSES AND ENTREPRENEURS TO GO BUILD A BUSINESS STARTING IN SHIRTS OR A SMALL TOWN AND THEN GO OUT IN THE REST OF TEXAS FROM HERE.

SO, THANK YOU.

CAN'T STRESS ENOUGH HOW MUCH SMALL BUSINESSES ARE THE BACKBONE AND SUPPORT, AND THEY DO GIVE, AS YOU SAID, THE FLAVOR TO OUR TOWN.

WELL, I, I THINK IT'S VERY APPROPRIATE THAT YOU ALL WERE CHOSEN SINCE THEY DID WIN THE SMALL BUSINESS OF THE YEAR TODAY, UH, NOMINATED BY OTHER CHAMBER MEMBERS AND BUSINESSES IN THE CITY.

AND, UH, I JUST

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UM, WE NEED ALL BUSINESSES, BUT SMALL BUSINESSES REALLY NEED YOUR SUPPORT.

SO ON SATURDAY THE 30TH, PLEASE GO OUT AND SHOP LOCAL.

YOU CAN GET ALL YOUR CHRISTMAS SHOPPING DONE, YOU CAN EAT, GET MORE ENERGY, DRINK THE COFFEES, AND GO OUT AND SHOP SOME MORE.

SO, CONGRATULATIONS YOU ALL, AND THANK YOU CITY OF SHERTON MAYOR FOR RECOGNIZING.

UH, CITY EVENTS AND ANNOUNCEMENTS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

YOU KNOW, MATT SAID, IT'S SO, UH, PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

UH, THE SMALL BUSINESSES ARE THE HEART OF OUR COMMUNITY, AND, UH, THEY WERE CHOSEN AS THE SMALL BUSINESS, UH, OF THE YEAR FROM THE CHAMBER.

AND IT WAS, UH, ONLY APPROPRIATE THAT, UH, WE ASK YOU TO COME TODAY AND ACCEPT THIS, UH, ON BEHALF OF THE SMALL BUSINESSES.

AND ALSO THANK YOU, MAGGIE, FOR HELPING THE SMALL BUSINESSES THROUGHOUT OUR, OUR COMMUNITY.

WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS THE,

[ City Events and Announcements Announcements of upcoming City Events (B. James/S. Gonzalez) Announcements and recognitions by the City Manager (S. Williams) Announcements and recognitions by the Mayor (R. Gutierrez)]

MS. GONZALEZ? YES.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

JUST A COUPLE OF ITEMS FOR TONIGHT.

SO ON SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 24TH, WE'LL BE WALK WITH A NATURALIST AT CRESCENT BEND NATURE PARK FROM THREE 30 TO FOUR 30.

CITY OFFICES WILL BE CLOSED NEXT THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 28TH FOR THANKSGIVING, AND ALSO FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 29TH.

AND THEN WE'LL BE BACK HERE FOR OUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED COUNCIL MEETING ON TUESDAY, DECEMBER 3RD AT 6:00 PM THANK YOU.

IS THE HEARING THE RESIDENCE.

ANNOUNCEMENTS AND RECOGNITIONS BY CITY MANAGER.

UH, NO ANNOUNCEMENTS TONIGHT.

MAYOR ANNOUNCEMENTS AND RECOGNITIONS BY THE MAYOR.

I DON'T HAVE ANY AT THIS POINT.

ALRIGHT, NEXT

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THIS TIME IS SET ASIDE FOR ANY PERSON WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL.

EACH PERSON IS LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES, AND WE ASK BEFORE ADDRESSING THE COUNCIL FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

MAYOR PRO TEMP, PLEASE CALL OUR FIRST SPEAKER, MARTIN TREVINO.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR GUTIERREZ, MR. WILLIAMS AND MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

MY NAME'S MARTIN TREVINO.

I LIVE AT NINE 13 KARI CLIFFS IN CILO, TEXAS.

I'M HERE TODAY ON BEHALF OF THE SHIRTZ POLICE ASSOCIATION AND SOME ANONYMOUS LETTERS THAT HAVE BEEN SENT TO THE CITY, CITY OFFICIALS AND EVEN SOME, UH, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.

AS, AS I'VE HEARD, UM, THIS IS OUR OFFICIAL STANCE ON IF IT'S OKAY, I'M GONNA READ THIS LETTER.

ON BEHALF OF THE ASSOCIATION TO THE HONORABLE MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL AND CITY LEADERSHIP, THE SHEZ POLICE ASSOCIATION WISHES TO TAKE A MOMENT TO ADDRESS RECENT ANONYMOUS LETTERS CIRCULATED AMONG CITY LEADERSHIP, WHICH WE BELIEVE REQUIRE A RESPONSE.

THESE LETTERS, THE LATEST OF WHICH WAS SENT APPROXIMATELY TWO WEEKS AGO, CONTAIN UNSU UNSUBSTANTIATED CLAIMS REGARDING CHIEF JIM LOWRY'S CONDUCT, INCLUDING ALLEGATIONS OF UNETHICAL BEHAVIOR ON DUTY AND ASSERTIONS THAT HIS POLICIES HAVE NEGATIVELY INFLUENCED DEPARTMENT MORALE.

HAVING REVIEWED THESE LETTERS IN FULL, THE SHIRT'S, POLICE ASSOCIATION FINDS THE ACCUSATIONS AGAINST CHIEF FLOWERY AND CERTAIN OTHER DEPARTMENT LEADERS TO BE BASELESS AND UNFOUNDED.

SUCH ANONYMOUS COMMUNICATIONS, DEVOID OF, OF ACCOUNTABILITY, ALLOW AUTHORS TO MAKE HARMFUL STATEMENTS WITHOUT REPERCUSSION, AND WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR UNDUE DAMAGE TO THE CHARACTER AND REPUTATION OF OUR LEADERSHIP.

WHILE THESE LETTERS HAVE NOT INFLUENCED THE OVERALL SENTIMENT WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT, AS THE AUTHORS MAY HAVE INTENDED, WE FEEL COMPELLED TO ADDRESS THE BROADER ISSUE OF ANONYMITY AND SUCH ACCUSATIONS.

THE LETTERS IMPLY THAT THIS, THAT THEY REPRESENT THE VIEWS OF A MAJORITY OR ALL DEPARTMENT MEMBERS.

AS THE REPRESENTATIVE BODY OF SHIRTZ POLICE DEPARTMENT EMPLOYEES, THE SHIRTZ POLICE ASSOCIATION ASSERTS THAT ONLY OUR ASSOCIATION HAS THE AUTHORITY TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE MAJORITY OF DEPARTMENT PERSONNEL.

FOLLOWING A THOROUGH CONSULTATION WITH OUR BOARD MEMBERS, WE CONFIRM THAT NO ASSOCIATION MEMBER HAS APPROACHED US WITH CONCERNS THAT ALIGN WITH THE GRIEVANCES CITED IN THE LETTERS.

ON THE CONTRARY,

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THE SHIRTZ POLICE ASSOCIATION FULLY SUPPORTS CHIEF LOWERY, HIS VISION, HIS LEADERSHIP.

WE ARE CONFIDENT IN HIS DIRECTION FOR THE DEPARTMENT AND BELIEVE THAT MORALE IS AT A ALL TIME HIGH UNDER HIS GUIDANCE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER.

WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO AFFIRM OUR CONTINUED SUPPORT FOR CHIEF LOWRY AND HIS DEDICATION TO OUR DEPARTMENT AND COMMUNITY.

SINCERELY, THE SHEZ POLICE ASSOCIATION, UH, I JUST WANNA ADD, WE WE ARE BEHIND HIM A HUNDRED PERCENT AND, UH, WE LIKE THE WAY THE DEPARTMENT'S MOVING AND THE DIRECTION IT'S MOVING, AS WELL AS THE CITY AND CITY LEADERSHIP.

UM, LED BY STEVE WILLIAMS. THANK Y'ALL.

THANK YOU, DANIEL JAMESON.

GOOD EVENING, COUNSEL.

MAYOR, CITY MANAGER.

MY NAME'S DANIEL JAMESON, 10 48 RICHMOND DRIVE CHURCH, TEXAS.

TEXAS.

AND I JUST WANT TO GIVE SOME KU JOES OUT TO LOWE'S HARDWARE STORE.

THEY CAME OUT ON TWO DAYS AND REMODELED OUR LOCAL VFW AND THEY HAD 15 STORES REPRESENTING IN TWO DAYS.

THEY REPAINTED REMODELED THE VFW.

IT LOOKS A HUNDRED PERCENT BETTER THAN WHAT IT DID.

IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT INSIDE, OUTSIDE, PLEASE, I ASK YOU TO GO BY, TAKE A LOOK AND SEE THE REMODELING THAT HAS TAKEN PLACE.

I'VE CONTACTED THE MAGAZINE.

THEY CAME OUT, TOOK PICTURES, THEY HAD SOME BEFORE PICTURES, SOME AFTER PICTURES, AND I THINK THEY PROBABLY NEED TO DO SOME MORE PICTURES TO BRING IT OUT IN THE JANUARY ISSUE OF THE MAGAZINE.

ONCE AGAIN, ON BEHALF OF THE POST, WE CANNOT THANK LOWE'S, ONE OF THE BUSINESSES HERE IN SHIRTS TO OFFER SUCH A, A HONOR TO OUR FELLOW VETERANS HERE IN THE COMMUNITY.

AND THEY WANT TO COME BACK AND DO ANOTHER PROJECT, OR EVEN TWO PROJECTS, ONE OF THOSE BEING A, UH, SPRUCING UP A, UM, HISTORICAL CEMETERY BACK BEHIND THE, THE, UH, STARLIGHT THEATER.

SO, YOU KNOW, LET'S ENCOURAGE, YOU KNOW, LOWE'S AND OTHER SMALL BUSINESSES TO GET INVOLVED AND, AND DO THAT.

MY HAT'S OFF AND I SALUTE THEM FOR THAT.

MAGGIE TITTERING.

GOOD EVENING COUNSEL.

MAGGIE TITTERING 1730 SHIRTS PARKWAY, UH, YOUR CURRENT CHAIR OF SHIRTS, HISTORICAL PRESERVATION COMMITTEE.

I KIND OF WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN END OF YEAR WRAP UP ON A REALLY GREAT YEAR WITH THE COMMITTEE.

UH, DURING THIS YEAR, WE HAVE INCREASED BY FOUR MEMBERS ON OUR COMMITTEE.

WE HAVE HAD TWO VERY SUCCESSFUL EVENTS, OUR SCAVENGER HUNT AND OUR TRIVIA NIGHT.

UH, WE CHANGE STORAGE UNITS TO A UNIT THAT IS MORE TEMPERATURE CONTROLLED TO PROTECT THE ARTIFACTS THAT WE DO HAVE.

AND WE'RE ACTUALLY, UH, FINALIZING OUR POLICIES AND PROCEDURES AFTER HAVING SEPARATED THE BYLAWS FROM THE POLICIES AND CLEAN THOSE UP.

AND ALSO GOING THROUGH ALL THE DIGITAL FILES, WHICH THEY'RE IMMENSE, BUT WE WANNA BE ABLE TO SLOWLY SEPARATE THEM OUT.

AND WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA REACH OUT TO, UH, THE SAMUEL CLEMENS HISTORY CLUB TO HELP US SORT THROUGH THOSE FILES AND PUT THEM IN APPROPRIATE FOLDERS SO THEY'RE EASY TO FIND WHEN WE WANNA USE THEM.

UH, ALSO TOMORROW NIGHT IS OUR LAST MEETING OF THE YEAR, I'M PRETTY SURE, UM, BECAUSE THE FOURTH WEDNESDAY WILL FALL SOMEWHERE IN THE CHRISTMAS HOLIDAY.

UH, BUT IF ANYBODY WOULD CARE TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT JOINING THE SHIRTS HISTORICAL PRESERVATION COMMITTEE, IT'S AT 6:00 PM TOMORROW NIGHT, BUILDING NUMBER TWO IN THE BOB ANDREWS CONFERENCE ROOM.

WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE SOME MORE PEOPLE COME OUT THAT ARE INTERESTED IN PRESERVING THE HISTORY OF SHIRTS.

UH, WE HAVE A GREAT GROUP OF PIT BULL ON THIS COMMITTEE, AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO DOING SOME STRATEGIC PLANNING FOR POSSIBLE PROJECTS FOR NEXT YEAR.

THAT COULD INCLUDE, OF COURSE, CONTINUING OUR SCAVENGER HUNT AND TRIVIA NIGHT, BUT ALSO POSSIBLY PRODUCING A HISTORIC CALENDAR WHERE EACH MONTH HAS A DIFFERENT, UH, HISTORIC BUILDING, OR MAYBE IT IS, UH, THE REMNANTS OF A BUILDING THAT IS NO LONGER BEING UTILIZED, BUT THERE'S SOME HISTORY BEHIND IT.

AND THEN EACH MONTH WOULD HAVE THAT, AND THEN WE WOULD INCLUDE SOME SHIRTS, HOLIDAYS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, WE'RE GONNA TALK THROUGH THAT AS WELL AS A FEW OTHER IDEAS.

BUT AGAIN, IT'S JUST BEEN A REALLY DYNAMIC YEAR, UM, AND I'M REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THE MORE OF THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS WE'RE GOING TO ACCOMPLISH.

THAT IS ALL.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

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BEN GUERRERO.

MR. MAYOR CITY COUNCIL, MR. WILLIAMS, THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.

MY NAME IS BENJAMIN GUERRERO.

I LIVE ON 5 0 6 CAIT COURT LANE.

I'M RETIRED MILITARY FROM THE US ARMY AND LIVING HERE IN SHIRTS SINCE 2015.

I AM CURRENTLY A CONTRACT SPECIALIST FOR THE GOVERNMENT WORKING AT FORT SAM HOUSTON.

I AM A CANDIDATE FOR THE SPECIAL ELECTION ON 14 DECEMBER, RUNNING FOR CITY COUNCIL PLACE FOUR.

THE CITY OF SUREZ HAS A REPUTATION FOR HAVING SAFE COMMUNITIES WITH GOOD QUALITY OF LIFE.

HOWEVER, EVEN SAFE COMMUNITIES HAVE CHALLENGES.

THIS IS THE REASON WHY I'M RUNNING, BECAUSE I WANT THE CITY OF SHIRTS TO CONTINUE TO BE SAFE AT THE SAME TIME, MINIMIZING THOSE CHALLENGES.

IN 2022, MY CHURCH PASTOR DARREN STEWART, WHO WAS LIVING AT THE TIME IN THE WOODLAND OAKS COMMUNITY, HAD HIS TRUCK STOLEN FROM HIS HOME DRIVEWAY.

HIM AND HIS WIFE KATHY, PURCHASED ANOTHER TRUCK IMMEDIATELY THEREAFTER.

THEN IN 2023, HE HAD HIS TRUCK STOLEN AGAIN ON THAT SAME YEAR IN BELMONT PARK COMMUNITY.

MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR, RICHARD COCHRAN, HAD HIS TRUCK BROKEN INTO, THEY DID TAKE HIS TOOLS AND OTHER ITEMS. THEN AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR, RICHARD HAD HIS TRUCK BROKEN INTO.

ONCE AGAIN, I AM A STRONG SUPPORTER OF THE FIRST RESPONDERS, POLICE FIREFIGHTERS, DMS, AND I WANNA BE PART OF THIS COUNCIL TO ENSURE OUR FIRST RESPONDERS HAVE THE MOST SOPHISTICATED EQUIPMENT AND THE LATEST TRAININGS FOR THEM TO PROVIDE QUALITY SERVICE TO OUR RESIDENTS.

IN ADDITION, I AM PROUD TO SAY MY SON, BEN JUNIOR, IS CURRENTLY A POLICE OFFICER FOR THE SHIRTS POLICE DEPARTMENT.

ANY RESIDENT OF SHIRTS SHOULD BE AND FEEL SAFE TAKING A WALK IN THE DARK.

BECAUSE OF OUR POLICE OFFICERS ARE DILIGENT AND READY FOR ANY CHALLENGE, AND OUR RESIDENTS SHOULD BE, BE CONFIDENT WHEN OUR FIREFIGHTERS AND EMS PERSONNEL ARE CALLED TO RENDER ASSISTANCE ON ANY TYPE OF SITUATION.

IN CLOSING, I AM READY TO ASSIST THIS COUNCIL TO CONTINUE TO KEEP THE RESIDENTS OF SHIRTS SAFE.

AGENDA ITEMS ARE CONSIDERED SELF-EXPLANATORY, AND INFORMATION PACKETS ARE PROVIDED TO COUNCIL AND AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC VIEWING.

RIGHT NEXT IS, UH, CONSENT.

[ Consent Agenda Items The Consent Agenda is considered self-explanatory and will be enacted by the Council with one motion. There will be no separate discussion of these items unless they are removed from the Consent Agenda upon the request of the Mayor or a Councilmember.]

THESE ITEMS REQUIRE NO SEPARATE DISCUSSION UNLESS REQUESTED BY COUNCIL.

ITEM NUMBER ONE MINUTES.

ITEM NUMBER TWO, RESOLUTION NUMBER 24 R 1 55.

ITEM NUMBER THREE, ORDINANCE NUMBER 24 S ONE 60.

ITEM NUMBER FOUR, ORDINANCE NUMBER 24 S 1 57.

ITEM NUMBER FIVE, RESOLUTION NUMBER 24 R 1 57.

AND ITEM NUMBER SIX, ORDINANCE NUMBER 24 S 1 63.

COUNSEL, DO ANY OF THESE NEED TO BE REMOVED FOR SEPARATE ACTION? SEE NO RESPONSE.

DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS ONE THROUGH SIX.

SO MOVE.

SECOND.

HAVE MOTION MADE BY COUNCIL MEMBER WATSON AND SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER MACALUSO.

ANY COMMENTS? COUNSEL, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

WE CAN PUBLISH THE VOTE, PLEASE.

WE HAVE SIX AYES, NO OBJECTIONS.

MOTION PASSES.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION AND

[7. Resolution 24-R-158 - Ordering and declaring the November 2024 Charter Amendments, as approved by the voters of the City of Schertz, adopted; requiring certification and registration in accordance with state law. (Mayor/S.Edmondson)]

ACTION ITEMS. ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, RE RESOLUTION NUMBER 24 R 1 58.

APPROVE THE CHARTER AMENDMENT'S RESULTS FROM THE NOVEMBER 5TH, 2024 SPECIAL ELECTION.

MS. EDMONDSON.

GOOD EVENING.

EXCUSE ME.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCIL AND CITY STAFF.

TONIGHT I BRING FORWARD RESOLUTION 24 R 1 58, ORDERING AND DECLARING THE NOVEMBER 20, 24 CHARTER AMENDMENTS AS APPROVED BY THE VOTERS OF THE CITY OF SHIRTZ, ADOPTED, AND THEREFORE

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REQUIRING CERTIFICATION AND REGISTRATION IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE LAW IN THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODES.

SECTION 9.005, ADOPTION OF CHARTER OR AMENDMENT ITEM A, A PROPOSED CHARTER FOR THE MUNICIPALITY OR PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO A MUNICIPALITY'S CHARTER IS ADOPTED IF IT IS APPROVED BY THE MAJORITY OF THE QUALIFIED VOTERS OF THE MUNICIPALITY WHO VOTE AT AN ELECTION HELD FOR THAT PURPOSE.

ITEM B, A CHARTER OR AN AMENDMENT DOES NOT TAKE EFFECT UNTIL THE GOVERNING BODY OF THE MUNICIPALITY ENTERS AN ORDER IN THE RECORDS OF THE MUNICIPALITY DECLARING THAT THE CHARTER AMENDMENT IS ADOPTED.

SECTION 9.007, CERTIFICATION OF A CHARTER OR AMENDMENT ITEM A AS SOON AS IT'S PRACTICABLE.

AFTER A MUNICIPALITY ADOPTS A CHARTER OR CHARTER AMENDMENT, THE MAYOR OR CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER OF THE MUNICIPALITY SHALL CERTIFY TO THE SECRETARY OF STATE AN AUTHENTICATED COPY OF THE CHARTER OR AMENDMENT UNDER THE MUNICIPALITY SEAL, SHOWING THE APPROVAL BY THE VOTERS OF THAT MUNICIPALITY.

AND ITEM B, THE SECRETARY OF STATE SHALL FILE AND RECORD THAT CERTIFICATION IN HIS OFFICE IN A BOOK KEPT FOR THAT PURPOSE.

THANK YOU, MS. EDSON.

COUNSEL, UH, FLOORS OPEN FOR DISCUSSION.

COUNCIL MEMBER WESTBROOK? YES.

UM, SO HOW IS, ONCE THE, UH, MAYOR SIGNS IT, HOW IS IT DELIVERED TO THE SECRETARY OF STATE? WHAT ARE THAT LITTLE, I THINK YOU SAID LIKE LITTLE WORD, UM, TRANSITION TO THE SECRETARY OF STATE.

WHAT DO WE, WELL, WHAT WHAT DO WE DO IS WE'LL SEND AN AUTHENTICATED COPY OF THE ACTUAL RESOLUTION TONIGHT.

I ALSO HAVE THE LIST OF THE PROPOSITIONS THAT WERE PASSED.

UM, THE MAYOR WILL NEED TO SIGN AS CERTIFYING OFFICER OF THIS CITY, AS WELL AS I'LL SIGN AS A SECRETARY, UH, CITY SECRETARY CERTIFYING THAT ALL THIS IS ACCURATE AND TRUE.

AND THEN WE'LL SEND IT TO THE STATE VIA EMAIL OR WHAT ARE WE TALKING FEMALE MAIL? NO, I'LL SEND THEM HARD COPIES.

SO I'LL ALSO SEND IT VIA EMAIL.

BUT I, THEY DO WANT AN AUTHENTICATED COPY, WHICH WOULD MEAN THEY WANT A HARD COPY WITH A HARD SIGNATURE.

TO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, RESOLUTION NUMBER 24 R ONE 20, AUTHORIZING A CONTRACT WITH H2O PARTNERS, INCORPORATED FOR GRANT WRITING, PLANNING AND MANAGEMENT SERVICES FOR LOCAL HAZARD HAZARD MITIGATION PLANS PROGRAM.

THANK YOU COUNSEL.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COUNCIL MEMBER BROWN MAKE, UH, RE MOVE THAT WE ADOPT RESOLUTION 24 R 1 58.

SECOND HAVE MOTION MADE BY COUNCIL MEMBER BROWN.

SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER HAYWARD.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COUNCIL, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

WE CAN PUBLISH THE VOTE, PLEASE.

WE HAVE SIX AYES, NO OBJECTIONS.

MOTION PASSES.

WE'LL MOVE ON

[8. Resolution 24-R-120 - Authorizing a Contract with H2O Partners, Inc. for Grant Writing, Planning, and Management Services for Local Hazard Mitigation Plans Program (LHMPP) (S.Williams/G.Rodgers/B.High)]

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR CITY COUNCIL, MR. WILLIAMS. MY NAME IS BRANDON HIGH, EMERGENCY MANAGER FOR THE CITY OF SHEZ.

UH, WHAT THIS RESOLUTION REALLY SPEAKS TO IS THAT CONTRACT WITH H2O PARTNERS TO NOT ONLY WRITE THE GRANT APPLICATION FOR THE LOCAL HAZARD MITIGATION PLANS PROGRAM.

ONCE WE HAVE A SUCCESSFUL AWARD FROM THAT GRANT APPLICATION, WE CAN THEN MOVE ON TO PRODUCE THE HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN FOR THE CITY.

SO THAT'S KIND OF THE STEP PROCESS AS IT RELATES THERE.

UH, BEFORE WE EVEN GET THERE, THIS IS A MULTI-TIERED PROCESS.

I JUST WANT TO LET EVERYONE KNOW THE WORK THAT'S GONE IN PRIOR TO THIS, UH, AS A REGION, WHICH INCLUDES THE CITY OF SHIRTZ WE'VE PARTICIPATED IN, AND, UH, CONTRIBUTED TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE TH A, THE THREAT HAZARD IDENTIFICATION RISK ASSESSMENT, AND THE STAKEHOLDER PREPAREDNESS REPORT, WHICH IS CURRENTLY BEING UPDATED AS WE SPEAK.

SO THAT'S AN ANNUAL PROCESS.

UH, ONCE WE DO THAT, WE CAN GO AFTER THIS HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN AND THAT'S WHAT WE HOPE THIS FIRM WOULD HELP US TO DO.

UM, I WOULD LOVE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, UH, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY FLOOR OPEN FOR DISCUSSION.

COUNCIL MEMBER WESTBROOK.

HERE YOU GO.

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS A THREAT AND HAZARD.

THEY HAVE THE THREAT MITIGATION TEAM, OR DO THEY HAVE SOMETHING SIMILAR OR, SO THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS ALSO PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROCESS? UH, IT'S REALLY CROSS SPECTRUM.

UH, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, WE TALK ABOUT EDUCATION, HIGHER EDUCATION, PUBLIC SAFETY, SO ON AND SO FORTH.

ALL OF THE KEY PLAYERS ARE AT THIS TABLE WHEN WE GO THROUGH THAT THREAT AND HAZARD.

UM, IDENTIFICATION RISK ASSESSMENT, THAT IS THEN COMPILED INTO THE STAKEHOLDER PREPAREDNESS REVIEW, WHICH IS WHAT I SENT TO ALL OF YOU, I THINK, UH, ABOUT A YEAR AGO,

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SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

UH, THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS OF COURSE GO THROUGH ANOTHER TYPE OF THREAT ASSESSMENT, MORE FOCUSED TO SCHOOLS AND HIGHER EDUCATION AS WELL.

SO THEY DO THAT ON TOP OF THIS NORMAL FIRE A PROCESS.

SO, SO WHAT'S THE SCOPE OF WORK? IF YOU'RE GONNA SUBMIT A GRANT? I MEAN, I KNOW YOU'RE NOT THE GRANT WRITER.

OH, SURE, YES.

BUT THE SCOPE OF WORK, SCOPE OF SERVICES, SURE.

UM, PHASE ONE OF THIS WOULD BE THE GRANT APPLICATION.

SO THEY'LL WRITE THE GRANT APPLICATION, THAT'S PHASE ONE.

ONCE THAT APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED, AND UPON SUCCESSFUL AWARD OF THAT GRANT, THEN AND ONLY THEN WOULD WE MOVE TO PHASE TWO, WHICH WOULD BE THE ACTUAL PLANNING DISCUSSIONS GOING THROUGH THAT THRA AND SPR THAT I TALKED ABOUT IN DEVELOPING THE HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN.

SO WE HAVE A LITTLE PROTECTION BUILT IN THERE.

THEY CAN'T MOVE ON TO THESE OTHER SERVICES PRIOR TO, UM, AN UNSUCCESSFUL WARD, IF YOU CAN, TYPES OF THREATS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

W UH, WHAT, WHAT TYPES OF THREATS ARE WE TALKING? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SHOOTINGS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MASS CASUALTY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OH, SURE.

SPECIFIC.

SO SPECIFICALLY THIS GRANT WOULD BE AN APPLICATION TO THE LOCAL HAZARD, UH, MITIGATION PLANS PROGRAM.

THAT'S L-H-M-P-P.

THAT'S JUST TO WRITE THE PLAN.

NOW UPON SUCCESSFUL AWARD, WE WRITE THIS HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN, WHICH WE'RE IN OUR UPDATE WINDOW FOR.

UH, ONCE WE GET THAT UPDATED, WE'LL BE OPENED UP TO A WHOLE BUNCH OF FEDERAL GRANT PROGRAMS THAT, UH, WE CAN PURSUE.

WELL, I GET IT.

IT JUST SEEMS LIKE, SO MAYBE ANOTHER WAY OF SAYING IT, A TRAINED DERAILMENT WOULD NOT BE EXCLUDED FROM A, SHOULD YOU GET THE GRANT AND YOU GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PLANNING PRE PROCESS OF THIS? YES, SIR.

YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD SORT OF, IN THE PLAN, YOU WOULD SORT OF HAVE TRAINED DERAILMENTS ACTIVE SHOOTERS, YOU WOULD PLAN FOR ALL OF THIS TYPE OF STUFF, RIGHT? YES, SIR.

THAT'S ALREADY IDENTIFIED IN THE, UH, THREATENED HAZARD IDENTIFICATION RISK AS ASSESSMENT.

THIS WOULD ACTUALLY WRITE THE PLAN FOR HOW WE PLAN TO MITIGATE THOSE.

SO PUTTING CONTROLS IN PLACE, UM, INCREASING TRAINING, UH, IMPROVING OUR RAILROAD CROSSING SINCE YOU MENTIONED A DERAILMENT, SO, SO ON AND SO FORTH.

ANY, UM, PLANS FOR DRONES? UH, IT, IT, WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE, UH, AT THE PLAN, RIGHT? AND WHAT ACTUAL MITIGATIONS WE THINK WE COULD PUT IN PLACE.

IF IT, IT CORRELATES WITH A THREAT.

UM, THERE'S CERTAINLY PLENTY OF GRAND OPPORTUNITIES OUT THERE AVAILABLE FOR DRONES.

HOW MANY MORE QUESTIONS DO YOU WANT ME TO ASK YOU? AS MANY AS YOU WANT.

HAVE ITEM NUMBER NINE, A WORKSHOP REGARDING UPDATING THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE IN RELATIONSHIP TO TEMPORARY SIGNS.

THANK YOU SIR.

OKAY, KEEP GOING.

ALRIGHT, COUNCIL, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION? 24 R ONE.

SO MOVED.

SECOND, HAVE MOTION MADE BY COUNCIL MEMBER HAYWARD AND SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER WATSON.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COUNCIL, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

WE CAN PUBLISH THE VOTE.

[9. Workshop regarding updating the Unified Development Code in relation to Temporary Signs. (B.James/L.Wood/E.Delgado)]

UH, JUST BACK TO BACK MEETINGS HERE TALKING ABOUT TEMPORARY SIGNS, BUT AFTER, UH, THE NOVEMBER 12TH, 5:00 PM WORKSHOP, STAFF TOOK AWAY SOME POTENTIAL UDC AMENDMENTS TO INCLUDE ALLOWING NEW BUSINESSES THE ABILITY TO OBTAIN A PERMIT FOR AN UNLIMITED NUMBER OF PERMITS SIZE AREA FOR TEMPORARY SIGNS, UH, TO PROMOTE THEIR NEW BUSINESS WITH THE CAVEAT THAT IT WOULD ONLY BE ALLOWED FOR 30 DAYS WITHIN 90 DAYS OF RECEIVING THEIR C OF O.

SO IT'S REALLY, IT WAS REALLY GEARED TOWARDS NEW BUSINESSES.

AND THEN, UM, A GENERAL CHANGE TO THE TEMPORARY SIGNS TO INCREASE THE MAX HEIGHT TO SIX FEET AND THE MAX AREA OF 36 SQUARE FEET.

SO STAFF TOOK THAT AWAY FROM THE NOVEMBER 12TH MEETING.

SHORTLY AFTER THAT MEETING, THE FOLLOWING DAY, STAFF RECEIVED QUESTIONS ON HOW THE PROPOSED CHANGES BASED ON, UH, THE NOVEMBER 12TH DISCUSSION, WOULD IMPACT EXISTING BUSINESSES AND THEIR ABILITY TO HAVE PROMOTIONS, SPECIAL EVENT TYPE SIGNAGE, REGARDLESS OF HOW LONG THEY'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS.

SO, YOU KNOW, AN EXISTING BUSINESS HAS SALES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

MAYBE THEY HAVE A NEW ITEM, THEY WANNA PROMOTE THAT AS WELL.

BUT THE CHANGES THAT WERE DISCUSSED LAST WEEK WOULDN'T ALLOW THEM THE ABILITY TO HAVE THAT KIND OF NEW BUSINESS TYPE SIGNAGE.

THERE WERE ALSO QUESTIONS FROM THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY IF THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE TEMPORARY SIGNS WOULD BE APPLICABLE FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS AS WELL.

SO BASED ON RECEIVING QUITE A BIT OF FEEDBACK FROM, UM, BOTH BUSINESS OWNERS AND THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, WE PROPOSED SOME ADDITIONAL CHANGES THAT WE WANTED TO BRING FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL TO GET FEEDBACK ON PRIOR TO US STARTING THE ACTUAL UDC AMENDMENT PROCESS WITH P AND Z.

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THAT IS WHAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE, UM, CCM FOR THIS ITEM.

BUT THEN I'LL ALSO WALK THROUGH IT HERE.

SO THIS WOULD BE THE PROPOSED UDC AMENDMENT LANGUAGE FOR TEMPORARY SIGNS, UH, NOTWITHSTANDING OTHER, ANY OTHER PROVISIONS OF THIS ARTICLE.

THIS SECTION SHALL BE APPLICABLE TO ALL TEMPORARY SIGNS FOR BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS.

SO THAT WAS TO TRY TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS WOULD ALSO BE ALLOWED TO USE THIS TEMPORARY SIGNAGE, UM, REQUIREMENTS MAXIMUM AREA, THE MAXIMUM AREA PERMITTED FOR TEMPORARY SIGNS SHALL NOT EXCEED 36 SQUARE FEET, EXCEPT AS SUBSCRIBED IN SUB SUB IN SUBSECTION G.

SPECIAL EVENT PROMOTION TEMPORARY SIGNS.

SO THAT WAS THAT DIRECT CHANGE TO INCREASE TO THE 36 SQUARE FEET MAXIMUM HEIGHT.

THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT PERMITTED FOR TEMPORARY SIGNS SHALL NOT EXCEED SIX FEET, EXCEPT AS DESCRIBED IN SUBSECTION G, MINIMUM SETBACK.

UM, THERE WASN'T A DISCUSSION CLEAR DIRECTION FROM, UM, CITY COUNCIL ON CHANGING THAT.

SO IT STILL STATES THE MINIMUM SETBACK FOR ALL TEMPORARY SIGNS SHALL BE 15 FEET FROM ANY PROPERTY LINE.

THE TIME LIMITATIONS REMAINS THE SAME AS WHAT'S IN THE CURRENT UDC AND THEN NUMBER OF SIGNS IS THE SAME AS WELL.

NO MORE THAN TWO TYPES OF TEMPORARY SIGNS SHALL BE PERMITTED PER BUSINESS OR TENANT AT ANY GIVEN TIME.

SO THEN I MENTIONED THIS SUBSECTION G.

THIS IS THAT NEW KIND OF CONCEPT.

SPECIAL EVENT PROMOTION, TEMPORARY SIGNS ANY BUSINESS CAN APPLY FOR SPECIAL EVENT PROMOTION.

TEMPORARY SIGNAGE IN ADDITION TO THE TEMPORARY SIGNS DESCRIBED ABOVE WITH THE FOLLOWING REQUIREMENTS.

THERE IS NO MAXIMUM AREA, NO MAXIMUM HEIGHT OR LIMITATION ON THE NUMBER OF SPECIAL EVENT PROMOTION.

TEMPORARY SIGNS THAT CAN BE PERMITTED.

SPECIAL EVENT PROMOTION.

TEMPORARY SIGNS ARE PERMITTED FOR A MAXIMUM OF 30 CONSECUTIVE DAYS PER CALENDAR YEAR WITH THE ISSUANCE OF A TEMPORARY SIGN PERMIT.

SO THAT WAS TO TRY TO CAPTURE, THIS ISN'T JUST FOR NEW BUSINESSES.

IF YOU'RE AN EXISTING BUSINESS, YOU CAN APPLY FOR THIS SPECIAL EVENT.

PROMOTION.

PROMOTION, TEMPORARY SIGN.

YOU CAN HAVE AS MANY TEMPORARY SIGNS TO PROMOTE THAT EVENT, UM, WITH THE CAVEAT THAT IT'S ONLY FOR 30 CONSECUTIVE CALENDAR DAYS.

SO THAT'S MY WHOLE PRESENTATION.

I HAVE THE SLIDES FROM LAST WEEK IF WE WANNA TALK ABOUT AGAIN, WHAT TEMPORARY SIGNS LOOK LIKE, BUT WE'RE REALLY JUST TRYING TO GET DIRECTIVE ON IF THE CHANGES THAT ARE PROPOSED HERE STILL MEET KIND OF THE DESIRES AND INTENT FROM CITY COUNCIL AS DISCUSSED LAST WEEK WITH ALSO TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT FROM THE COMMUNITY.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MS. ALGO.

ALL RIGHT.

COUNCIL FLOORS OPEN FOR DISCUSSION.

COUNCIL MEMBER MACALUSO, JUST ON THAT, UH, THE TEMPORARY, UH, PROMOTION SIGNS.

WHAT WAS THE, THE THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND REMOVING ANY KIND OF LIMITATIONS ON THE SIGNS? SO THAT WAS, UH, UM, BROUGHT UP BY CITY COUNCIL LAST WEEK OF, IF IT'S A BUSINESS THAT'S TRYING TO ANNOUNCE SOME KIND OF PROMOTION.

WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT LAST WEEK, THE IDEA IS IT'S A NEW BUSINESS.

THEY WANNA GET OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY AND, AND REALLY DRAW ATTENTION TO THEIR SITE.

SO NO LIMITATION ON THE NUMBER OF, NOT SO MUCH THE THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, NO MAXIMUM HEIGHT, NO MAXIMUM AREA.

I MEAN, THEY COULD JUST DO WHATEVER THEY WANTED, RIGHT? SO I THINK A COUPLE THINGS THAT PROMPTED THIS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT A LOT IN THAT DISCUSSION WAS, SO THE, THE INFLATABLE TUBE GUY, THOSE, THOSE EXCEED THE HEIGHT SIGNIFICANTLY.

AND SO ANY KIND OF HEIGHT LIMITATION WE HAVE IS GONNA PRECLUDE THAT, WHICH, WHICH THEN SEEMED PROBLEMATIC.

THE OTHER THAT WE'VE SEEN IN MANY CASES IS BUSINESSES AREN'T PUTTING UP ONE SIGN.

THEY'RE PUTTING UP QUITE A FEW, 3, 4, 5.

UM, AND, AND SO AGAIN, I THINK, I THINK THAT WAS THE LOGIC AS I RECALL IT, IS SOME OF THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE ARE DOING ON THE TEMPORARY PROMOTIONS VASTLY EXCEED THE CRITERION.

SO IT'S KIND OF THE ISSUE WE HAVE NOW, RIGHT? YOU CAN PUT UP TEMP SIGNS, BUT THEY'RE ONLY LIMITED IN MOST STREETS TO THREE FEET TALL AND YOU CAN ONLY DO TWO OF 'EM AT ONE TIME, RIGHT? YOU, YOU KNOW, WE SAY YOU CAN HAVE FLAGS, BUT, AND WE ALSO HAVE A PROVISION THAT WE'VE USED THAT SAYS YOU CAN'T, SHOULDN'T DISTRACT DRIVERS.

AND ANYTHING THAT MOVES IS A DISTRACTION TO DRIVER.

SO I THINK IT WAS IN RESPONSE TO WHAT WE UNDERSTOOD THAT COUNCIL WANTED TO DO, WHICH IS IF IF WE WANT TO HAVE REGULATIONS THAT ALLOW BUSINESSES TO SORT OF GET PEOPLE'S ATTENTION, THEN LET'S GET RID OF ALL THOSE LITTLE REQUIREMENTS THAT EFFECTIVELY PREVENT YOU FROM DOING.

THAT WAS THE LOGIC THAT I RECALL UP HERE.

AND SO WE KIND OF WROTE IT TO SAY, IF WE'RE GONNA DO THAT AND IT'S FOR 30 DAYS, DO WE REALLY WANT TO GET INTO, WELL YOU, YOU CAN ONLY HAVE FOUR EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE FOUR OR BIGGER THAN THE GUY WHO'S GOT FIVE.

AND THE TOTAL SIZE IS THE SAME KIND OF THING, RIGHT? IT BECAME THAT ISSUE OF THIS, THIS SORT OF ONGOING DEAL OF PEOPLE GOING, HEY, I RUN MY BUSINESS.

I KNOW WHAT I NEED TO ATTRACT ATTENTION.

UM, AND WE'RE NOT HAVING A LOT OF FINGER POINTING OF, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, SOME GUY GOING, I'VE ONLY GOT THREE SIGNS.

HE'S GOT FOUR.

WHY CAN'T MY SIGNS BE BIGGER? RIGHT? OR MINE ARE SMALLER, WHY CAN'T I HAVE FIVE? AND HE'S, HE'S GOT FOUR.

THAT, THAT WAS THE LOGIC THAT STAFF TOOK AWAY FROM IT.

IF MY MEMORY ISN'T AS GOOD, BUT, UH, I DIDN'T RECALL NECESSARILY, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE BEING SUPPORTIVE OF HAVING NO LIMITATIONS AT ALL.

UH, MAYBE, MAYBE

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TO ME IT WOULD CAUSE I WOULD THINK MORE CONFUSION BY SOME OTHER BUSINESSES THAT ARE, WELL, WHY DID THEY HAVE A SIGN, YOU KNOW, THIS LOW UP THING THAT'S 20 FEET TALL? MM-HMM AND I GOTTA HAVE A SIX FOOT SIGN.

AND SO I DON'T KNOW, TO ME, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T RECALL REMOVING ANY KIND OF RESTRICTIONS ON THOSE SIGNS AT ALL.

I DIDN'T RECALL THAT.

SO FAIR ENOUGH.

STAFF MAY HAVE GOT IT WRONG, MAY HAVE, MAY HAVE SELECTIVELY LISTENED.

YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID THAT EMILY MENTIONED IS WE CHANGED THE SIZE OF THE SIGN BECAUSE WE WANTED IT SORT OF THE MATH TO MATCH, RIGHT? SO RIGHT NOW WE ADD, IT COULD BE UP TO THIS SIZE, THIS MANY SQUARE FEET UP TO THIS TALL, BUT THAT HEIGHT MULTIPLIED BY THE SAME WIDTH DIDN'T GIVE YOU THAT NUMBER.

AND AGAIN, THERE WAS A, THERE WAS REFERENCE FOR CLARITY.

SO THAT WAS WHY WE GOT INTO INCREASING THE SIGNAGE TO 36 SQUARE FEET.

AND, AND I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT, PART OF THE CONCERN IS WE'VE GOT PEOPLE SORT OF POINTING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

THERE'S NEVER A WAY TO EQUALIZE IT ENTIRELY.

BUT I THINK THE DIRECTION THAT STAFF UNDERSTOOD WAS YOU'VE GOT YOUR PERMANENT SIGNAGE, YOU'VE GOT YOUR TEMPORARY SIGNAGE, YOUR NORMAL TEMPORARY SIGNAGE THAT WE'VE INCREASED THE SIZE ON AND THE HEIGHT.

AND THEN EFFECTIVELY WHAT NOW IS PROPOSED IS THIS ONCE A YEAR, 30 DAY KIND OF REALLY GET, GRAB EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION, SIGNAGE THAT EACH BUSINESS CAN DO, UM, SORT OF DEAL.

'CAUSE AGAIN, PART OF THE PROBLEM IS SOME OF THE PEOPLE, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT PROMPTED THIS TOLD 'EM, HEY, YOU GOTTA GET YOUR SIGNAGE DOWN.

WE GO BACK, GO, HEY, WE'VE RUN THIS THROUGH PNC, WE'VE RUN IT THROUGH COUNCIL, IT'S 70 DAYS LATER NOW A NEW BUSINESS, BUT NOT YOU.

'CAUSE YOU'VE HAD YOUR DEAL FOR, FOR 90 DAYS COULD HAVE DONE THIS.

RIGHT? AND THAT IS IN PART WHAT LED TO THIS.

BUT AGAIN, GOOD, GOOD REASON WE'RE BACK.

'CAUSE IF WE'VE MISSED IT, THAT'S PART OF THE BENEFIT OF COMING BACK.

LET US GET CLARITY.

WELL, IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, I, I RECALL, YOU KNOW, THE AMENDMENT LANGUAGE, ALL THE INFORMATION.

I DO RECALL ALL THAT.

I, I GUESS I, I JUST, UH, EITHER LIKE I SAID, EITHER MY MEMORY IS POOR OR, OR, OR WHATEVER THE CASE.

I DON'T RECALL FOR THE TEMPORARY, YOU KNOW, THE 30 DAY SIGN, YOU KNOW, HAVING JUST ZERO RESTRICTIONS ON WHAT, WHAT THEY CAN USE.

AND I JUST, I DON'T RECALL THAT.

I MEAN, UH, I GUESS YOU CAN SEE WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE SAYS, BUT TO ME I THINK THAT POSSIBLY OPENS UP THE BOX A LITTLE BIT TOO BIG.

AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THAT, BUT I DO REMEMBER THE OTHER LANGUAGE THAT WAS PUT INTO THE AMENDMENT, WHICH I DO SUPPORT COUNCIL MEMBER BROWN.

YEAH, I I AGREE WITH, UH, COUNCILMAN, UH, MLU.

I KNOW WE WANTED TO OPEN IT UP.

ABSOLUTELY.

BUT, BUT WHEN YOU READ IT HERE, IT'S LIKE YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT, YOU KNOW, FOR, UH, UH, 30, 30 CONSECUTIVE DAYS.

UH, I THINK THAT'S A, A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN WHAT WHAT WE ENVISIONED AT THIS POINT.

IT SEEMS TO BE THE, UH, YEAH, I, I THE DIFFERENTIATION.

UH, NOW THAT, AGAIN, I KNOW THAT IT'S, THIS IS A WEIRD BALL TO PLAY WITH, I GET IT.

UH, BUT FOR EXAMPLE, YOU'RE IN A, UH, UH, A MULTI-UNIT, UH, STRIP MALL FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, AND WHAT ARE THEY GONNA DO? COVER UP THE WHOLE, UH, SIGN WITH THEIR TEMPORARY, WE'RE THE ONLY ONE, WE'RE THE ONLY NEW BUSINESS HERE AND YOU CAN'T SEE ANY OF THE OTHER BUSINESSES.

OR ARE WE GONNA RELY ON THE LANDLORDS TO, UH, TO CONTROL THAT? WE, WE WOULD RELY ON THE PROPERTY OWNER TO MANAGE THAT.

SO THE SHOPPING CENTER ADJUSTING ON THE WAY, RIGHT? IF THE NEW HAWAIIAN FOOD KIND OF RESTAURANT WANTS TO DO A DEAL, THEIR NEIGHBORING BUSINESS, LIKE THE EAR, NOSE, THROAT, PLACES, LIKE, HEY, I BE BLOCKING MY BUSINESS.

THEY CAN GO TO THE PROPERTY OWNER AND LET THEM SORT THAT OUT.

CITY'S NOT GONNA GET INTO THAT BUSINESS.

MM-HMM.

THEN THE ENT CAN COME IN AND HE CAN GET HIS TEMPORARY SIGNAGE FOR, HEY, WE GOT A HEARING AID SPECIAL KIND OF THING.

BUT IF, IF, IF, UH, YOU KNOW, BALLOON MAN IS, IS REALLY THE, UH, THE ONE THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING A, A HANDLE ON BECAUSE OF SIZE HEARING AID.

I THINK IT, I THINK IT'S THE TUBE, THE INFLATABLE TUBE GUY.

IT'S THE BIG BLOWUP GORILLA.

AND THEN AGAIN, IT'S, WHILE THE SMALLEST FEATHER FLAGS WE FOUND WERE SIX FEET, THEY DO 'EM EIGHT FEET.

THEY DO 'EM 10 FEET.

NO, I UNDERSTAND.

THE INFLATABLES GET, YOU KNOW, ALL KINDS OF SIZES.

I, I I GOT THAT.

I GET, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE, THE 36 SQUARE FEET FOR A, FOR A SOLID SIGN IS, IS, IS GOOD.

UH, I THINK ALL THESE OTHER SIZES AND, AND DIMENSIONS, UH, ALL THE DAYS, UH, CONSECUTIVE DAYS, I THINK ALL OF THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.

AND IT'S VERY CLEAR.

IT'S JUST THIS ONE, THE THE SPECIAL EVENT THING WHERE ALL OF THAT GOES OUT THE WINDOW, UH, FOR 30 DAYS.

UH, AND IF IT'S JUST THE INFLATABLE PART OF IT, MAYBE WE CAN JUST SAY INFLATABLES CAN EXCEED, YOU KNOW, SIZE.

UH, IF, IF THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT

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FAIR ENOUGH.

WE'LL TAKE DIRECTION FROM COUNSEL.

I THINK THE CONCERN WE HAVE IS SOMEBODY'S GONNA COME BACK AND GO, HEY, I WENT OUT AND I BOUGHT THESE EIGHT FOOT FEATHER FLAGS.

WHO ARE THE FEATHERS? HOW COME YOU'RE TELLING ME I CAN ONLY DO SIX FEET IF THAT GUY'S GOT THE TWO? MAN, IT'S 12 FEET TALL.

RIGHT? THAT, THAT WAS THE LOGIC OF IT.

AND I KNOW IT, IT'S NOT A ROUND BALL.

I KNOW, I, I, I REALIZE THAT.

AND SO IT'S A DIFFICULT ONE TO, TO WORD SMITH SO THAT IT, IT IT MEETS THE INTENT AND THE PRACTICALITY.

UH, BUT LIKE I SAID, IF IT'S, IF THE INFLATABLES ARE THE LONG POLE, MAYBE WE JUST SAY INFLATABLES ARE YEAH.

AND THAT, THAT WOULD BE, SO WHAT YOU COULD DO IS TAKE OUT THAT YOU COULD GO WITH KIND OF WHAT WE HAVE FOR TEMPORARY SIGNS AND SAY, HOWEVER, ONE OF THOSE, THOSE TEMPORARY SIGNS MAY BE AN INFLATABLE AND THERE IS NO HEIGHT RESTRICTION.

I THINK WHAT THAT'S GONNA PROMPT IS A LOT OF THOSE INFLATABLES.

WHEREAS WHAT WE TEND TO SEE PEOPLE WANT ARE THE BIGGER FEATHER FLAGS.

BUT AGAIN, WE'RE HAPPY TO ENFORCE WHATEVER, IF THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT WE WANT.

THE TUBE, THE TUBE GUY.

I MEAN, I, I'LL LET THE OTHER PEOPLE MAKE COMMENTS ON THAT, BUT, UH, I JUST, I JUST CAN'T SEE LETTING THEM PUT UP A, A 12 FOOT SOLID SIGN VERSUS A A SIX FOOT SOLID SIGN.

UH, SO, UH, JUST JUST TO ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION, COUNCILMAN BROWN, UH, WOULD THERE BE A RESTRICTION ON SAY THE WIDTH? SO IF THEY'RE, IF THE INFLATABLE GUY CAN BE 10 FEET, YEAH.

I MEAN, WHAT ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S ROUND BUT INFLATABLE? BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS, YOU KNOW, INFLATABLES LIKE THE GORILLA MAN OR, YOU KNOW, TUBE GUY OR WHATEVER, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALL A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT AS FAR AS THE DIMENSIONS ARE CONCERNED, BUT WE ALLOW FOR INFLATABLES TO EXCEED THESE DIMENSIONS FOR THAT 30 DAYS.

UH, AND, AND, AND AGAIN, MAYBE INFLATABLES AND UH, UH, WIND BLADE FLAGS TYPE OF THING.

I DON'T KNOW.

YOU KNOW, JUST, YEAH, IT'S SOMETHING TO THINK OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, VERSUS JUST, UH, NO, NO RULES FOR 30 DAYS TO WHICH ONE? NO, I, I GOTCHA.

UM, YEAH, I MEAN, AND AGAIN, I THINK PRACTICALLY WHAT WE'VE SEEN IS YOU'LL GET A FEW OF THE, A COUPLE OF THE TYPICAL SORT OF SIGNS MESSAGE BOARD KIND OF SIGNS IF YOU WILL.

BUT THEN WHAT WE TEND TO SEE IS A LOT OF FEATHER FLAGS AND THEN A BALLOON, YOU KNOW, TUBE GUY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THE CURRENT MARKETING STUFF AND YOU KNOW, IT'LL GO AWAY.

SOMETHING ELSE WILL TAKE ITS PLACE.

YEAH, EXACTLY.

BUT, BUT THE FACT THAT WE HAVE LARGER SIGNS BY, UH, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE THING, I THINK THAT'S GOOD.

'CAUSE MOST SMALL BUSINESSES, THEY'RE GONNA TAKE THAT SIGN, THEY'RE GONNA REUSE IT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT JUST GONNA TOSS IT.

SO A SIX FOOT SIGN, THEY COULD USE IT TEMPORARILY HERE, TEMPORARILY THERE, PUT IN THE STORAGE AND NEXT YEAR USE IT FOR ANOTHER PROMOTION.

YEP.

I AGREE.

AND AGAIN, I THINK ONE THING BECAUSE OF THAT WE'RE GONNA TAKE OUT IS WE'RE GONNA TAKE OUT SOME OF THE, THE SIGNS HAVE TO BE KEPT IN GOOD REPAIR.

'CAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, THOSE FEATHER FLAGS IN PARTICULAR, THEY GET START TEARING EASILY.

AND TO ME THAT BECOMES TOO SUBJECTIVE, RIGHT? AT WHAT POINT, YOU KNOW, FINANCIAL WAS OUT AT A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT COUPLE WEEKS AGO.

THEY'VE GOT A ROW OF ABOUT SIX FEATHER FLAGS.

ONE THE FEATHER WAS THE FLAG PART WAS ENTIRELY RIPPED OFF.

SO YOU'VE LITERALLY GOT THE PLASTIC TWO STICKING UP THAT'S JUST SITTING THERE LIKE THAT.

AND IT WAS UP FOR ABOUT THREE DAYS TOWARDS WE'RE WALKING TO LOOK AT SOMETHING ELSE.

THEY JUST PICK IT UP AND WELL, THAT'S ONE DRAMATICALLY PLACED IT ON THE GROUND TO GET THEIR, IT MUST MUST BE IN GOOD REPAIR, YOU KNOW? YEAH.

I MEAN THE, THE POLE WAS, THERE WAS JUST NO FLAG ON IT.

BUT I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S WHERE THEY, THE FEATHER FLAGS START TO RIP.

SO AGAIN, I I, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY GOING, HEY, THERE'S JUST A LITTLE TEAR DOWN HERE.

WHAT, WHAT KIND OF GIVE SORT OF THING, COUNCIL MEMBER HAYWARD, SO I WASN'T HERE FOR THAT.

UM, BUT THE WHOLE IDEA OF NO MAXIMUM HEIGHT, NO NUMBER OF HOW MANY YOU CAN PUT, THEN THE QUESTION THAT BECOMES WHEN YOU'VE GOT ALL, LIKE, YOU USE THE EXAMPLE RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD, IF ARE EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM.

WHAT IF THEY'RE ALL HAVING A SPECIAL AT THE SAME TIME? ARE THEY ALL GONNA PUT ONE OUT OR THEY SEE ONE OF THEIR NEIGHBORS PUT ONE OUT AND SAY, OH, WELL I NEED TO DRAW BUSINESS TO MINE.

I'M JUST KIND OF, AND THEN SAYING THERE'S NO LIMITATION ON HOW MANY, I JUST, YEAH.

I MEAN, I DOUBT THAT KIND OF THINK IT, TO ME THAT'S JUST, THAT'S LIKE A FREE FALL AND I CAN DO WHATEVER I WANNA DO AND I'M GONNA DO IT FOR 30 DAYS.

AND THEN WHAT DOES, IT JUST DOES NOT IN MY MIND, I CANNOT GET IT TO WHERE THAT'S GOING TO MAKE SENSE.

THAT SOMEBODY CAN PUT THE FEATHER FLAG A BALLOON MAN AND SOMETHING ELSE.

AND THERE'S NO HEIGHT RESTRICTION, THERE'S NO NUMBER OF SIGN RESTRICTION.

I THINK IT, AND THEN ARE YOU SAYING IT'S 30 DAYS ONCE A YEAR AND THEY CAN'T COME BACK AND DO ANOTHER ONE? SO LET'S SAY IT'S A, A STRIP MALL AND SOMEBODY SAYS, OKAY, I'M DOING THIS ONE.

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AND THEN I MEAN, RIGHT.

SO EACH, EACH CO WOULD HAVE, EACH OCCUPANCY WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY.

SO THE SHOPPING CENTER DOWN HERE, IT WOULDN'T BE LIKE, HEY, THE FIRST GUY CAME IN AND GOT IT.

NOBODY ELSE CAN DO IT.

RIGHT? EACH OF THE BUSINESSES WHERE THE CEO CAN DO IT, WE WOULD AGAIN PROBABLY DO IT BASED ON A CALENDAR YEAR, RIGHT? AND SO JANUARY 1ST, IT IS JUST EASIER TO TRACK THAT WAY.

YOU GET BASICALLY A MONTH, 30 DAYS WHERE YOU CAN DO SORT OF YOUR, YOUR SIGNAGE THING FOR EACH BUSINESS.

I DOUBT THEY'RE ALL GONNA GO DO IT AT THE SAME TIME AROUND EVERY BUSINESS DOWN HERE IS NOT GONNA HAVE 'EM UP BECAUSE THE BUSINESSES ARE SORT OF DIFFERENT.

WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO 'EM IS DIFFERENT.

YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S LIKE A BIG, A BIG LEFT, MAYBE THERE'S LIKE A BIG PIZZA SEASON OR SOMETHING, RIGHT? AND, OR HEY, WE GOT A NEW KIND OF PIZZA COMING OUT AND THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN JUNE WHERE SOMEBODY ELSE IS DOING A HOLIDAY KIND OF THING AND THEY'RE PUTTING THE SIGN UP IN NOVEMBER.

YOU KNOW, I MEAN, AGAIN, WE'LL, WE'LL DEFER TO THE BUSINESSES THEY KIND OF, YOU KNOW, KNOW WHAT THEY NEED TO PROMOTE THEIR BUSINESS.

I, I THINK, AGAIN, GOING BACK, JUST NOT SAYING RIGHT OR WRONG, THE RESTRICTION ON THE HEIGHT LIMIT WAS TAKEN AWAY BECAUSE WE HAD THE ISSUE WITH THE INFLATABLE AND SOME OF THE FEATHER FLAGS THAT COME IN DIFFERENT SIZES.

IT BECOMES REALLY A CHALLENGE.

HOW DO YOU MEASURE THE DIMENSIONS OF THESE SORT OF FEATHER FLAGS AND THE WIND-DRIVEN STUFF AND SOMETHING THAT'S OVAL SHAPED OR A ROUND BALL RIGHT? IN THE PICTURE.

UM, AND AGAIN, WHAT WE'VE SEEN IS WHEN PEOPLE ARE, I'M OPENING OR I'VE GOT A SPECIAL, THEIR FRUSTRATION OFTEN IS I CAN'T DO ENOUGH THAT REALLY ATTRACT PEOPLE'S ATTENTION.

BUT, BUT WE SORT OF DEFER TO THE BUSINESS TO USE GOOD TASTE TO, TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S APPROPRIATE, I THINK WAS THE LOGIC OF IT.

AND NOT WE RIGHT OR WRONG.

AND SO AGAIN, IT'S GOOD WE'VE COME BACK TO GET CLARIFICATION ON IT FROM COUNSEL.

AND SO WE'RE OPEN TO KEEP WORKING ON THIS TO, TO HIT.

IDENTIFYING THE WHY AND TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE INTENT OF THE COUNCIL, RIGHT? AND SO I THINK YOU'VE MENTIONED OR INDICATED SOMETIMES BEFORE YOU CAN, YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO, NO MATTER WHAT WE COME UP WITH, SOMEBODY'S GONNA BE, THERE'S GONNA BE A WHAT IF THAT'S JUST AN OFF ONE AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO COVER ALL OF THE WHAT IFS.

I CAN CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE, HEY, WE DON'T WANT THE FREE FOR ALL.

YOU KNOW, I, I THINK, AND, AND AGAIN, I WANNA BE CLEAR WHILE STAFF IS FINE TELLING PEOPLE THIS IS WHAT THE CODE IS, YOU CAN'T DO IT.

CAN'T ALLOW IT, RIGHT? I THINK THE IDEA IS TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT MOST PEOPLE, IF IT'S NOT THEM AT THE TIME WE'RE TALKING TO, BUT SORT OF AN UNINTERESTED BYSTANDER WHO SITS THERE AND LISTENS, GOES, THAT SEEMS FAIR TO ME.

RIGHT? NOBODY LIKES TO BE TOLD NO.

BUT THE GUY STANDING THERE OFF TO THE SIDE, JUST KIND OF LISTENING TO WHAT'S GOING ON AFTERWARDS KIND OF GOES, EH, THAT MAKES SENSE.

I GET IT.

YOU CAN'T MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY, RIGHT.

KIND OF THING.

SO I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING THAT THERE'S SOME RATIONAL LOGIC TO.

SO AGAIN, THAT'S THE TUBE GUY THAT YOU COULD DO 20 FEET TALL.

BUT I GOT THE GUY GRIPING GOING, HOW COME MY FEATHER FLAG'S LIMITED TO SIX FEET WHEN I COULD HAVE, WHEN, WHEN I COULD HAVE DONE THAT? BUT, BUT NO RIGHT OR WRONG, I I, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A LIMIT ON HOW MANY, 'CAUSE I THINK IT FREE FALL.

IT COULD, I DON'T, I DON'T, I HAVEN'T PRICED THEM, BUT THEY COULD GET, YOU KNOW, A SMALL LITTLE SHOP AND THEY HAVE 10 OR 20 WHEN THEY REALLY DON'T NEED THAT MANY.

AND TO ME, I THINK LIMITING THE NUMBER OF SIGNS AND THEN I THINK ABOUT THE 30 DAYS.

SO ONCE WE DO THE 30 DAYS, IS IT GOING TO BE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES THAT'S GONNA GO OUT AND ENFORCE THAT 30 DAYS? IT IT, NO, IT'LL, WELL, OR ARE WE JUST LETTING THEM ON THEIR HONOR TAKE IT DOWN IN 30 DAYS? WELL, NO, I MEAN IT, WE'D LIKE TO TRY WITH YOU ON YOUR HONOR, BUT NO, WHAT IT WOULD BE IS, AGAIN, YOU STILL HAVE TO PULL A PERMIT.

THINK IT'S $25.

WE LOOKED UP FOR THE TEMP SIGN, RIGHT? SO WE ISSUE THE PERMIT.

I WOULD SAY THIS, WE WOULD LIKELY NOT, ALTHOUGH WE CAN GET A NOTICE POP UP THAT HEY, ISSUED THIS BUSINESS, IT'S BEEN 30 DAYS, WE'RE LIKELY NOT GONNA SEND STAFF 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE LEVEL TO GO.

IT'S BEEN 32 DAYS SEND OUT TO LOOK AT IT.

RIGHT? UH, IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WHEN WE HAVE SOMEBODY DRIVING BY AND THEY KIND OF LOOK AND GO, THAT'S BEEN UP A WHILE.

WHEN I GET BACK TO THE OFFICE, LET ME CHECK.

OR IF WE GET A COMPLAINT DRIVEN, THAT'S WHEN WE WOULD DO IT.

NOW AGAIN, WE CERTAINLY COULD BECAUSE THE SYSTEM LETS US PING THAT, HEY, THEY PULLED THIS PERMIT 30 DAYS AGO.

THE 30 DAYS IS UP.

TELL SOMEBODY WHEN THEY'RE GOING OUT TO SWING BY AND LOOK AT IT AND DO THAT, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WAS SORT OF THE PLAN, BUT, BUT WE COULD AS A WAY TO, TO, TO QUASH THAT.

I, I BELIEVE SOMEBODY DID BRING UP THIS IDEA OF, ON THAT KIND OF EQUITY PART OF IT, YOU'VE GOT A REALLY BIG BUSINESS, RIGHT? SO LET'S SAY WALMART, HOW DO WE EQUATE THAT TO THE ICE CREAM PLACE DOWN HERE, RIGHT? THE ICE CREAM PLACE IS A 20 FOOT STOREFRONT.

THE WALMART'S GOT THIS HUGE AREA.

AGAIN, I THINK THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF THAT DILEMMA OF SAME KIND OF THING.

HOW DO WE COME UP WITH SOME SORT OF SIZE CRITERIA THAT MAKES SENSE, RIGHT? IS IT BASED ON THE SIZE OF YOUR BUILDING? IS IT BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF FRONTAGE YOU HAVE? AGAIN, IT'S BALANCING.

WE COULD GET IT NUANCED, BUT WE DON'T WANT IT OVERLY TRICKY BECAUSE IT CAN BE TRICKY.

ALRIGHT, MAYOR PRO TO WEST WESTBROOK, I THINK Y'ALL HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB WITH THE INFORMATION YOU'VE RECEIVED, BUT SOMETIMES IT GOES BACK TO THE WHY.

IDENTIFYING THE PROBLEM,

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BUT FROM YOUR UNDERSTANDING, IF YOU CAN, AND YOU TELL ME THE WHY OR CAN AT THE BEST YOU CAN, COULD YOU TRY TO TELL ME WHY THE CITY COUNCIL UNDERSTAND THAT CITY COUNCIL'S INTENT? SO IF YOU HAD TO EXPLAIN TO YOUR STAFF THE CITY COUNCIL'S INTENT, WHAT WOULD YOU BE TELLING THEM? RIGHT.

SO I WOULD, I WOULD START BY, LOOK THIS IS POLICY STUFF, RIGHT? AND THIS IS THE PURVIEW OF CITY COUNCIL.

THEY SET POLICY, WE HELP 'EM CRAFT THE ORDINANCE, AND THEN WE GO OUT AND ENFORCE AND WE TRY TO MAKE IT SUCCESSFUL.

IT'S A PURE POLICY THING IN TERMS OF WHAT KIND OF COMMUNITY WE WANT TO BE, RIGHT? AND ON THE SIGNAGE STUFF, PARTICULARLY WITH THIS, YOU'RE BALANCING AESTHETICS.

WHAT, WHAT DO WE WANT THE COMMUNITY TO LOOK LIKE VERSUS YOU'RE BALANCING, HOW ARE WE WORKING WITH BUSINESSES? YOU HAVE TO FIND THAT RIGHT BALANCE.

AND SO EVERYBODY, FOR EXAMPLE, DRIVES THE COMMUNITY AND THEY SEE THE MCDONALD'S, IT LOOKS NOTHING LIKE A MCDONALD'S.

IT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

LOOK HOW GREAT IT IS.

BUT YOU'RE KIND OF GOING, I DON'T KNOW, IT'S A MCDONALD'S, HOW DO I KNOW NOT TO, YOU KNOW, SWING IN AND GET CHICKEN NUGGETS OR WHATEVER.

AND, AND SO THAT'S REALLY, IT'S, IT'S A BALANCE THAT HAS TO BE STRUCK.

THERE'S NO RIGHT OR WRONG WITH IT.

RIGHT? AND, AND IN THIS CASE, I THINK THE FEELING WAS IS THAT THERE'S A DESIRE TO ASSIST OUR BUSINESSES.

AND YOU HEARD IT TONIGHT WITH THE PRESENTATION ON SMALL BUSINESS WEEK.

PARTICULARLY THOSE SMALL BUSINESSES DON'T HAVE A BIG ADVERTISING BUDGET, RIGHT? HOW DO, HOW DID THEY BETTER PROMOTE THEIR BUSINESS? AND ONE WAY THEY DO IT IS WITH THE SIGNAGE WHERE THEY'RE TRYING TO GET PEOPLE'S ATTENTION.

AND SO COUNCIL FELT LIKE THE BENEFITS TO THE COMMUNITY OF SUPPORTING THOSE BUSINESSES TO HELP PROMOTE, UM, YOU KNOW, WAS WORTH IT.

WHEN WE MAY HAVE SOME PEOPLE GO, I DON'T LIKE THE WAY IT LOOKS, THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER.

AND THAT IF WE'RE GONNA DO THIS, LET'S DO IT IN A WAY THAT'S REALLY EFFECTIVE.

SO LET'S NOT SAY, OH YOU CAN DO AGAIN, TECHNICALLY YOU COULD COME IN AND SAY, I WANNA DO A THREE FOOT FEATHER FLAG.

AND WE COULD LET THAT SLIDE.

THAT'S NOT HELPING ANYBODY, YOU KNOW, OTHER THAN YOU GO, THAT LOOKS KINDA SILLY.

AND SO THE IDEA IS THAT WE'RE GONNA GO INTO IT AND LET'S DO IT.

LET'S DO IT AND LET'S MAKE IT EFFECTIVE.

NOT GO HALFWAY AND HAVE 'EM GO, THAT DOESN'T REALLY HELP ME MUCH.

THAT'S HOW WE WOULD EXPLAIN IT TO STAFF.

IT'S A POLICY DECISION ON THE PART OF COUNCIL.

YOU KNOW, WE CHANGE VARIOUS ORDINANCES AT DIFFERENT TIME AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.

I THINK LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT, THIS WAS PROBABLY EIGHT, NINE YEARS AGO.

I'M NOT SURE ANYBODY WHO'S ON COUNCIL NOW WAS ON THE LAST TIME WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION.

IT WAS THE SIMILAR CONVERSATION.

AND, AND I THINK AT THAT POINT THE DESIRE WAS WE JUST DON'T WANNA STEP INTO THIS.

RIGHT? IT'S NOT THE LOOK THAT WE WANT AND, AND IT OPENS UP A BIT OF A CAN OF WORMS. BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, TIMES ARE DIFFERENT.

YOU DO DIFFERENT THINGS DIFFERENT TIMES DOESN'T ALWAYS MAKE SENSE.

SO JUST AS A FOLLOW UP, AND THIS WILL BE MY LAST ONE.

SO ANYWAY, I WAS ON ANOTHER COMMITTEE AND THIS GUY ALWAYS ASKED, TO WHAT EXTENT DID YOU REACH OUT TO STAKEHOLDERS? SO YOU USE THE TERM EFFECTIVE SEVERAL TIMES.

HOW DO YOU DETERMINE, HOW DO YOU DEFINE EFFECTIVE IF WE'RE NOT BUSINESS OWNERS? SO EFFECTIVE TO YOU IF YOU HAVEN'T ENGAGED ANY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, SURE.

HOW DO, HOW DO WE KNOW IT'S EFFECTIVE OR NOT? WE'RE GOING BY, I'M NOT A BUSINESS OWNER.

THERE MAY BE, WELL THERE'S, THERE ARE TWO OR THREE ON HERE, BUT NO, YOU'RE RIGHT.

I MEAN I THINK THAT'S A FAIR CRITICISM, BRIAN.

NOT THE BE ALL END ALL.

I MAY NOT KNOW WHAT EFFECTIVE IS.

AGAIN, I THINK WE LOOK FOR DIRECTION FROM COUNSEL AND, AND YOU KNOW, AGAIN, FAIR POINT THAT WE, WE PROBABLY COULD HAVE BROUGHT UP, IT COULD HAVE RAISED, WHICH IS HOW MUCH PUBLIC INPUT DO YOU WANT TO DO RIGHT NOW, AGAIN, I WOULD SUSPECT AND KIND OF DONE THIS WHILE THAT IF WE WENT TO THE BUSINESS OWNERS, THEY'RE LIKELY GONNA TELL US, OH YEAH, WE WANT THIS, THIS IS GOOD, RIGHT? SO THAT STAKEHOLDER GROUP, I'M BUT DOLLARS TO DONUTS, THEY'RE GONNA KIND OF TELL ME, YEAH, HEY, WE WANT TO EASE UP, RIGHT? 'CAUSE IT BENEFITS THEM.

BUT IF I WENT TO A GROUP OF HOA PRESIDENTS, THOSE HOA PRESIDENTS I WOULD BET ARE GONNA SAY, WELL WAIT A MINUTE.

THAT RIGHT? AND, AND I THINK PART OF THAT AGAIN COMES TO OUR PERSPECTIVE.

AND I'VE SAID THIS, THIS IS WHERE I THINK COUNCIL HAS A TOUGH JOB AND, AND, AND YOU KNOW, STAFF IN SOME WAYS TOO, WHICH IS WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY, THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.

AND WE'RE THINKING NOT ONLY TODAY, BUT FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, 20 YEARS FROM NOW, 50 YEARS FROM NOW, RIGHT? AND SO WE TAKEN THIS PERSPECTIVE THAT IS REALLY DIFFERENT THAN A LOT OF OTHER FOLKS TO DO.

AND SO AGAIN, I THINK PART OF THAT IS HOW WE GOT HERE, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY GO DO PUBLIC INPUT ON THIS ONE.

YOU DO HAVE THE, YOU DO HAVE THE PNZ KIND OF RECOMMENDATION THAT HAPPENS.

BUT AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR COUNCIL DIRECTION ON IS HOW MUCH OF AN EFFORT ON OUTREACH DO YOU, DO YOU WANT US TO DO ON THIS OR NOT? RIGHT?

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COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS.

UH, YEAH, I, I, I SEE A LOT OF THE CONCERNS HERE AND, AND I, I, I APPRECIATE THE STAFF TRYING TO PUT IN SOME FLEXIBILITY HERE, BUT, UH, I CAN UNDERSTAND THE, THE LINE ON NO MAXIMUM AREA AND NO MAXIMUM HEIGHT BECAUSE THAT WAS JUST GONNA BE ADMINISTRATIVELY IMPOSSIBLE TO MANAGE.

UH, I I DO HAVE CONCERNS ON NO LIMITATION ON THE NUMBER OF SPECIAL EVENT OR PROMOTION SIGNS.

I, I WOULD THINK THAT IF, IF THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THE TEMPORARY SIGNS IN THE PREVIOUS PARAGRAPHS MM-HMM , I THINK, YOU KNOW, CAPPING THAT AT TWO OR THREE SPECIAL EVENT SIGNS OUGHT TO BE SUFFICIENT VERSUS SAYING UNLIMITED.

UH, 'CAUSE I, I CAN IMAGINE THERE'S GONNA BE SOMEBODY THAT WILL PUSH THE TEST BUTTON AND GO OUT AND GET 27 FLAG SIGNS OR OR A HALF A DOZEN INFLATABLE GUYS.

I THINK TWO OR THREE WOULD BE REASONABLE IF THEY SAY NEO NOW OPEN OR, OR YOU KNOW, HOLIDAY SALE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

UH, AND THEN, AND I'M SORRY NOT TO INTERRUPT, IS THAT THE MOTION YOU CAN HAVE AT ONE TIME IS SAY THREE? IS THAT THE IDEA? WHERE I WOULD SAY I, YOU GET THREE PLUS THE TWO WOULD SAY THREE SPECIAL EVENT SIGNS IN ADDITION TO THE TWO OTHERS, THE TEMPORARY SIGNS.

SO THAT THEY'RE NOT, I MEAN, 'CAUSE THE TEMPORARY SIGNS INCLUDE THINGS LIKE THE SANDWICH BOARDS AND, AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT, RIGHT? THEY ALL HAVE, AND THEY ALL HAVE HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS AND, AND OTHER THINGS, RIGHT? SO IF YOU'RE GONNA TURN AROUND AND SAY, OKAY, WE WILL IGNORE, AND I UNDERSTAND, LIKE I SAID, THE INFLATABLE GUYS I WAS LOOKING ONLINE, THEY YEAH, YEAH.

SIX FOOT, EIGHT FOOT, 14 FOOT, 20 FOOT, UM, YOU KNOW, SO TO ME IF YOU'RE GONNA SAY IF YOU'RE HAVING A SPECIAL EVENT, UH, YOU CAN HAVE TWO OR THREE SPECIAL EVENT SIGNS BEYOND WHAT MIGHT BE APPROVED UNDER PERMANENT OR TEMPORARY SIGNAGE.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE REASONABLE VER THEN VERSUS SAYING UNLIMITED AND OPENING UP PANDORA'S BOX.

UH, AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS, IS WHEN WE SAY SPECIAL EVENT PROMOTION SIGNS ARE PERMITTED FOR A MAXIMUM OF 30 CONSECUTIVE DAYS PER CALENDAR YEAR WITH THE ISSUANCE OF TEMPORARY SIGN PERMIT, YOU KNOW, I CAN, I CAN SEE SOMEONE LOOKING AT THAT AND SAYING, WELL I'M GONNA HAVE MY SPRING SALE, SO I WANNA GET A PERMIT FOR A SIGN AND PUT MY INFLATABLE GUY UP FOR 10 DAYS AND THEN I WANNA COME BACK IN THE SUMMER FOR MY SUMMER PROMOTION AND DO ANOTHER 10 DAYS.

I THINK I'M OKAY WITH, LEMME GET TO LIKE GRAND OPENINGS OR, OR A SIGNIFICANT SPECIAL EVENT.

I THINK A WORDING MIGHT, MIGHT BE BETTER IF IT SAYS, UM, THAT EACH BUSINESS OR YOU KNOW, EACH ESTABLISHMENT WITH THEIR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY IS AUTHORIZED TO DO SPECIAL EVENT SIGNAGE.

UM, ONE TIME PER YEAR NOT TO EXCEED 30 DAYS.

OKAY, FAIR ENOUGH.

WE CAN CLARIFY ON THE WORDING VERSUS, VERSUS GIVING THEM THE OPTIONAL THINKING, WELL I CAN DO THIS LIKE SIX TIMES A YEAR, FIVE DAYS EACH, ALL, ALL GOOD TO HAVE PEOPLE LOOK AT IT TO LORDING 'CAUSE YEAH, I THINK THAT WAS SORT OF THE INTENT.

SO ONE QUESTION MAY BE IN, AND YOU MAY GO, I DON'T KNOW YET, COME BACK AND WE'LL THINK IS, SO ARE WE OKAY WITH IN ALLOWING FEATHER FLAGS, LIKE, RIGHT, SO WHAT WE TYPICALLY DON'T ALLOW NOW ARE WIND-DRIVEN SIGNS AT ALL.

AND WHAT WE TYPICALLY GET ARE THE BOARD WITH THE MESSAGE ON IT.

PART OF THE REASON TO GO UP TO THE SIX BY SIX IS YOU COULD DO THE SMALLER FEATHER FLAGS.

SO ARE WE OKAY WITH SOMEBODY WHO HAS TWO OF THE FEATHER FLAGS AS PART OF THEIR NORMAL TEMPORARY SIGNAGE UP FOR 180 DAYS? RIGHT.

WHICH IS, WHICH IS PART OF WHAT THE CHANGE WOULD'VE ALLOWED? OR ARE WE SAYING NAH, I DON'T WANT FEATHER FLAGS UP FOR THAT.

I WANT THE REGULAR SIGNAGE WE HAVE.

I'LL GIVE YOU A LITTLE MORE HEIGHT ON THEM, BUT, BUT I DON'T WANT WIND DRIVEN UP NORMALLY JUST DURING THIS PROMOTION? ME, ME PERSONALLY, I WOULD RATHER JUST SEE THE, THE, THE INFLATABLES AND THE FEATHER FLAGS AS PART OF THEIR SPECIAL EVENT.

I MEAN, THAT'S ME PERSONALLY.

NO, FAIR.

FAIR ENOUGH.

I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THE FEATHER FLAGS ARE JUST THAT WARRANTED WHERE THEY NEED TO BE OUT NORMALLY.

FOR SIX MONTHS AT A TIME.

AND NOW IF YOU TREAT 'EM AS, TO ME, IF YOU TREAT 'EM AS A SPECIAL EVENT SIGN, THEN, THEN THAT SORT OF MITIGATES THE, IT'S BEEN OUT THERE FOR FIVE MONTHS AND NOW IT'S FADED AND APART, TORN AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

OF COURSE MOST OF THE PLACES THEY'RE GOING TO, PEOPLE ARE WALKING.

NO, FAIR ENOUGH.

I THINK THAT THAT CERTAINLY WOULD CUSTOM MEMBER HAYWARD, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE PICTURES? I'M TRYING TO LOOK AT 'EM AND GROWING UP IN A LARGE CITY AND DRIVING AROUND SOME CITIES.

IT COULD BE HOUSTON.

COULD BE HOUSTON.

YES.

UM, THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING AWAY FROM ALL OF THAT AND DOING THESE NEW THINGS.

THERE'S BILLBOARDS,

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THEY HAVE SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE A BIG GIANT I IPHONE THAT HAS INFORMATION ABOUT THE BUSINESSES AND CHANGES AND THAT KIND OF THING.

UM, I GUESS BUSINESSES WANT 'EM, BUT TO ME, I THINK ALL THIS IS TACKY IN MY OPINION.

I DON'T, AND I KNOW IT'S ALL SUBJECTIVE.

I DON'T LIKE THOSE.

AND I, MOST OF THE TIME SEEING A SIGN LIKE THAT DOES NOT CAUSE ME TO GO, OH, I NEED TO GO OVER THERE AND SEE WHAT'S THERE.

I, AND SOMETIMES I DON'T EVEN PAY ATTENTION TO 'EM.

I'M JUST LIKE, OKAY, WHATEVER.

AND I'M MOVING BY.

I, 'CAUSE I JUST KEEP THINKING ABOUT WHAT IS THE CITY THAT WE WANT.

WE KEEP TRYING TO SAY THAT WE'RE A PREMIER CITY.

THAT'S WHAT WE LIKE TO SELL.

SO AS A PREMIER CITY, DO WE REALLY WANT FEATHER FLAGS? AND YOU KNOW, THE DANCING MAN, I MEAN, I, FOR ME THAT'S SUBJECTIVE.

I JUST, I DON'T LIKE THEM.

BUT I MEAN, IF THE MAJORITY OF COUNCIL SAYS THIS IS SOMETHING, THEN FINE.

BUT I STILL, I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE LIMITED.

'CAUSE IT JUST, YOU CAN JUST GET SO MANY IN A ROW THAT AFTER A WHILE, AND I CAN JUST SAY THIS FROM JUST DOING THE ELECTION AND BEING AT ELBOW WITH SOME PEOPLE, HAVING 30, 40, 50 SIGNS OVER THERE, IT'S JUST NOISE.

YOU DON'T REALLY PAY ATTENTION TO ANYTHING.

YOU JUST SEE IT ALL WHATEVER, AND YOU'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION.

SO TO ME, WHEN YOU LIMIT THE NUM, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT AND LIMIT THE NUMBER TO AN ODD NUMBER, 'CAUSE TYPICALLY MINES WORK WITH HAVING THESE ODD NUMBERS, THEN IT DOESN'T BECOME JUST WIND NOISE OR NOISE.

'CAUSE THE MORE YOU CAN PUT OUT THERE, IT, IT JUST, IT IS TACKY.

I JUST, I'VE NEVER LIKED THEM.

I DON'T LIKE THE LITTLE FLOPPY MAN.

I, I'VE JUST NEVER, THAT'S ME.

I'VE JUST NEVER LIKED THAT.

BUT IF THE REST OF COUNCIL DOES, I CAN LIVE WITH IT.

BUT I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE LIMITED TO THREE, MAYBE TWO OF THE LITTLE FLAGS AND THE FLOPPY MAN.

BUT NOTHING MORE THAN THAT.

'CAUSE I THINK IT JUST BECOMES TOO MUCH NOISE AND IT JUST STARTS TO LOOK REALLY TACKY.

AND IT DOESN'T TO ME FIT IN THAT HOLE WHERE WE'RE SAYING WE'RE PREMIER CITY AND WE'RE TRYING TO BE THE CORRIDOR TO THE FUTURE.

THERE, THERE'S GOTTA BE OTHER WAYS TO DRAW PEOPLE IN TO YOUR BUSINESS.

UM, IS JUST HOW I SEE IT.

AND THE WHOLE 30 DAYS, I THINK I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS, IT NEEDS TO BE WRITTEN.

'CAUSE IF SOMEBODY'S GOING, OH, I CAN DO FIVE DAYS HERE.

FIVE DAYS.

SO THEN WHEN DOES IT END? YOU KNOW, THEY GO, OH, I'M JUST GONNA DO THREE DAYS.

AND THEN SO THEN YOU'RE TRYING TO DEAL WITH SOMEBODY JUST WANTING TO DO A FEW DAYS AT A TIME.

IT'S 30 DAYS PERIOD.

IT'S PROBABLY TWEAK THE WORDING ON IT.

AND, AND THAT'S ALL YOU GET.

AND, AND WE'RE DONE WITH IT.

AND I, I'M, AND THE TEMPORARY SIGNS.

I'M, I I THINK MAYBE IT THE TEMPORARY SIGN, I GET IT.

BUT FOR SPECIAL EVENTS, I'M NOT TRULY EXCITED ABOUT ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT SIGNS.

COUNCIL MEMBER BROWN.

AND THE OTHER THING HERE IS, UH, AND, AND YOU'VE MENTIONED IT IN THERE AS WELL A COUPLE OF TIMES, BUT WE NEED TO KIND OF BACK OFF AND RE-LOOK AT IT IS EVEN APPLICATION ACROSS THE CITY.

YOU KNOW, IF EVERYBODY, ALL BUSINESSES HAVE THE SAME RULES AND IT'S NOT LIKE, WELL THAT GUY OVER THERE GET IS GETTING AWAY WITH AN INFLATABLE.

WHY CAN'T I, WELL HE'S NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE AN INFLATABLE, BUT IF I CAN, IF HE CAN GET AWAY WITH IT, I CAN GET AWAY WITH IT.

IF WE APPLY IT EVENLY ACROSS, ACROSS THE CITY THAT EVERYBODY IS LIMITED TO OUR CITY ORDINANCE.

YOU KNOW? AND THERE SHOULDN'T BE AN ARGUMENT AT THAT POINT.

YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME PEOPLE BELIEVE IN THE MARKETING, LIKE YOU SAY, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT THE, UH, THE INFLATABLES.

SOME PEOPLE WANT THE, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL PUT FIREWORKS UP IF YOU LET 'EM, YOU KNOW.

BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, IF EVERYBODY HAS THE SAME STANDARD, THEY'LL FIGURE OUT HOW TO WORK WITHIN IT.

I'M A SMALL BUSINESS.

I UNDERSTAND.

YOU KNOW, THERE ARE TIMES WHEN YOU WANNA PUT SOMETHING EXTRA OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S NOT ALL THE TIME.

YOU DON'T NEED IT OUT THERE ALL THE TIME.

YOU KNOW.

'CAUSE I KNOW WHERE H WELL, HEB ISN'T A GOOD EXAMPLE, BUT YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW WHERE SHIPLEY'S DONUTS IS, YOU KNOW, AND EINSTEIN, EINSTEIN BAGELS JUST OPENED UP LAST MONTH.

THEY HAD KIDS OUT THERE WITH SIX OR EIGHT, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, YARD SI SIZE SIGNS, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO GET TRAFFIC TO PULL IN.

YOU KNOW, AND THAT, AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, THAT DOESN'T COUNT IF YOU HOLD IT, WE DON'T REGULATE AT ALL.

'CAUSE THEY HAVE THAT.

DAN CAN CHIME IN ON THAT AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S FINE.

UH, UH, BUT I'M JUST SAYING LIKE, ATTORNEY IS FOR HIRE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

KIND OF THE CONVERSATION I THINK STARTED, WHICH IS YOU GET IT AFTER YOUR CO I THINK, I THINK WE'RE JUST KIND OF GIVING YOU SOME FEEDBACK OF, YOU KNOW, IF I MISSED IT.

BUT I, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT THEY JUST OPENED UP MM-HMM.

, YOU KNOW, FOR FIVE DAYS OR WHATEVER.

THEY HAD PEOPLE OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, DOING THAT.

I DON'T REALLY CARE.

YOU KNOW, AND IF THEY HAD A, YOU KNOW, A BLOW UP BAGEL IN THERE, I WOULDN'T CARE FOR, YOU KNOW, A FEW DAYS EITHER.

BUT, UH, AF AFTER THAT, YOU KNOW WHERE THEY'RE AT, YOU KNOW? RIGHT.

DO THEY REALLY NEED ALL OF THAT? SO CERTAINLY FINE.

AGAIN, WE COULD GO BACK TO WHAT

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SO YOU CERTAINLY WOULD HAVE A WHOLE LOT LESS IF YOU RESTRICTED IT TO JUST THE CO IN, IN THE THREE KIND OF A KIND OF A THING.

AND IT, AND IF YOU'RE GONNA DO THAT, I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WENT WITH THAT THEN I'M NOT SURE THE RESIDENTIAL STUFF MAKES SENSE BECAUSE THEM GETTING IT UP FOR 30 DAYS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA BE OUT THERE FOR TWO, THREE YEARS TRYING TO MARKET THOSE HOUSES.

I'M NOT SURE IT DOES THEM A WHOLE LOT OF GOOD.

'CAUSE TYPICALLY IT'S SORT OF BACK IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD ARGUE AS MORE HOUSES GET BUILT, MORE NEED FOR IT KIND OF THING.

BUT, AND AGAIN, THOSE BUSINESSES ALSO HAVE THE, UH, UH, THE INTERNET AND MARKETING AND, AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

THE TRUE SMALL BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY'RE DEPENDING ON THAT DRIVE BY SEE ME, YOU KNOW, AND ONCE YOU SEE ME, YOU KNOW WHERE I'M AT.

IF I DO, IF I PROVIDE A GOOD SERVICE, IT'S A FAIR PRICE.

YOU'RE GONNA COME BACK AND SEE ME.

SO KNOW IT'S NO PERFECT BALANCE HERE.

TOUGH.

THERE'S NOT A RIGHT OR WRONG ANSWER.

THERE'S NOT, I MEAN THAT'S PART OF THE CHALLENGE.

THIS WAS NOT A RIGHT.

AND, AND EVEN IF WE COME OUT WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE GUIDANCES COUNCIL, UH, RELATED, UH, THERE'S GOING TO BE INDIVIDUALS THAT WILL PUSH THE LIMIT, ABUSE IT, NEW INNOVATIONS WILL COME OUT AND WE'LL BE HAVING THE SAME DISCUSSION.

BUT, UH, AT, AT THIS POINT, I THINK WE HAVE SOME DIRECTION ON WHICH WAY WE WANNA GO.

AND, AND IF STAFF COULD MAYBE GET CLARIFICATION FROM SOMEONE AS TO THAT CONSENSUS DIRECTION, THAT MIGHT HELP.

I, I, I THINK WE'RE, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS AND IDEAS, BUT WHAT WE'RE REALLY SEEKING IS A CLEAR DIRECTION TO WRITE A, A CODE TO BE ABLE TO PUT THAT INTO PRACTICE.

I THINK THERE WAS A LIMIT OF THREE SIGNS.

THE SPECIAL EVENTS, UH, GRAND OPENING.

YOU SEE YOU'RE CAPPED AT THREE PLUS YOUR TWO REGULAR TEMP SIGN.

MM-HMM.

THERE'S NO HEIGHT OR SIZE RESTRICTION ON THOSE THREE FOR 30 DAYS.

IT ONLY APPLIES TO COMMERCIAL, NOT RES ONE TIME PER YEAR, NOT TO EXCEED 30 DAYS.

SO JUST TO BE CLEAR THEN, SO IT'S, EVERY BUSINESS CAN DO IT ONE TIME A YEAR FOR UP TO 30 DAYS AT A STRETCH.

SO IT'S NOT JUST LIMITED TO THE NEW BUSINESS OPENING.

IS THAT CORRECT? GREAT.

I'D BE OKAY WITH THAT SPECIAL EVENT.

UH, YES.

AND, AND THE OTHER CHANGE TO THE, TO THE SIZE RESTRICTION BASED ON THE TYPE OF STREET, THAT'S OKAY TO JUST CHANGE THAT TO 36 SQUARE FEET.

SIX FEET HIGH.

SO WHAT FOR THE 180 DAYS? SO MAYBE TO GO BACK AND AGAIN, MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR, IF YOU WANNA GO BACK TO YOUR LANGUAGE.

SO WE'RE GONNA CLARIFY THE DRAFT LANGUAGE TO MAKE CLEAR IT'S ONE TIME FOR UP TO 30 DAYS.

YOU CAN'T SPLIT IT UP, CAN'T DO IT MORE THAN TWO TIMES FOR A YEAR.

AND THEN THE ONLY THING THAT WE WOULD SAY ON THE SPECIAL EVENT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, IS SIMPLY, UH, THERE IS A MAXIMUM OF THREE SPECIAL EVENT TEMPORARY PROMOTION SIGNS, BUT THERE'S NO MAXIMUM AREA HEIGHT LIMITATION, ET CETERA.

AND THEN AGAIN, CLARIFICATION ON THE LANGUAGE.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO.

AND IT ONLY APPLIES TO COMMERCIAL, NOT RES IS THAT, BUT ANY BUSINESS, NOT JUST NEW GOING ONCE.

RIGHT? GOING TWICE.

TELL ME I'M, MY FOCUS INITIALLY WAS JUST IN REGARDS TO THE GRAND OPENING.

AND IS THAT WHAT Y'ALL WANNA STICK WITH AGAIN? BUT I DO LIKE THE, THE ONCE A YEAR OR, OR AGAIN, NOT TO COMPLICATE IT, WHAT YOU COULD DO IS EVERY BUSINESS WITH A EVERY CO YOU GET IT ONE TIME, RIGHT? SO THAT'S A WAY TO DEAL WITH SAY MATE TANGA SHOWING UP AND GO, HEY, WE'VE BEEN HERE A FEW YEARS, HOW COME I CAN'T DO IT? YOU COULD DO IT AND SAY YOU GET IT ONE TIME, ONCE YOU'VE DONE IT, THAT ONCE WITH THAT CO YOU'RE DONE.

SO IT'S NOT THE ONCE A YEAR, BUT IT BALANCES THE EXISTING BUSINESS GOING, HEY, HOW COME I CAN'T DO IT? 'CAUSE THE RULE WASN'T IN EFFECT.

WELL, YOU CAN DO IT ONCE WE'VE MADE IT EQUAL THAT, THAT THERE'S A CONSENSUS FOR THAT.

IT'S A ONE TIME.

COUNCILMAN MACALUSO, DO YOU WANNA ADD TO THAT? GETTING HUNGRY.

I, I'LL BE, I THINK I'M IN THE MINORITY, SO I, I DON'T THINK IT, IT MATTERS, BUT I, YOU KNOW, I, THIS DRIVING DOWN WW WHITE THIS LAST WEEK, IT'S NOT TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

IT'S THE SAME THING.

[01:10:01]

TO ME.

IT LOOKS TERRIBLE.

I'M SO, I'M NOT A BIG FAN AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT ABOUT ME.

IT'S ABOUT, UH, THE BUSINESSES.

I THINK A LOT OF RESIDENTS WOULD FEEL THE SAME AND NOT BE A BIG FAN OF THE SIGNS.

BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS, THEY JUST DON'T HAVE THE BUDGET TO DO SOME OF THE BIG MARKETING THINGS THAT EVERYBODY ELSE DOES.

SO I UNDERSTAND THERE NEEDS TO BE A, UH, YOU KNOW, A HAPPY MEDIUM OF SOME SORT.

TO ME, I THINK, YOU KNOW, HAVING THE, IT'S GONNA BE HARD ADMINISTRATIVELY FOR YOU GUYS TO KEEP UP WITH ANYBODY THAT'S NECESSARILY GOING OVER, YOU KNOW, HEY, UH, YOU KNOW, OVER THE 30 DAYS FOR THE, FOR THE ONE SIGN, 180 DAYS FOR THIS ONE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THIS FLOPPY GUY.

'CAUSE IF SOMEBODY ELSE SAW THIS ONE WITH THE FLOPPY GUY, HEY, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU CAN DO THAT.

IF YOU HAVE, I DON'T KNOW.

YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ISSUES WITH IT.

I THINK NO MATTER WHAT, TO ME, IF IT WAS A PERFECT WORLD, I WOULD SAY THAT WE KEPT, KEPT THE RULES THE SAME FOR EVERYTHING, REGARDLESS IF IT WAS A SPECIAL EVENT OR NOT.

AND THAT WAY IT'S EASIER, IT'S ACROSS THE BOARD AND THERE'S NO, UH, WELL THIS GUY CAN DO THIS.

THIS GUY CAN DO THAT.

THAT, THAT'S MY OPINION.

COUNCIL MEMBER HAYWARD, I WOULD AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER MACALUSO.

SO YOU'RE NOT IN THE MINORITY COMPLETELY.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UH, JUST A QUESTION TO, TO CLARIFY.

TH THIS DOES KIND OF REPRESENT WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER AN INCREASE, RIGHT? OH YEAH.

IN THE NUMBER OF SIDES.

SO ARE WE OKAY WITH INCREASING THE NUMBER OF TEMPORARY SIGNS ACROSS TOWN FOR 180 DAYS OF THE YEAR FOR EACH BUSINESS? THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS HEARING.

SO I, I WANNA MAKE SURE.

WELL WHAT I, WHAT I UNDERSTOOD COUNCILMAN MLU SAID IS, LOOK, I'M OKAY GOING THE SIX BY 6 36, BUT YOU GET YOUR TWO SIGNS, DON'T REALLY EVEN WANT TO GET INTO THIS BIG WIND-DRIVEN THING AT ALL.

RIGHT? KEEP YOUR SAME KIND OF STUFF AND BASICALLY KEEP THE SAME REG WE'VE GOT, EXCEPT WE'LL ADJUST THE SIZE A LITTLE BIT.

BUT REALLY DON'T WANNA SEE WIND-DRIVEN SIGNS.

'CAUSE THEY KIND OF ARE WHAT LOOKS TACKY.

I WOULD SAY THAT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT ACCURATE.

GOOD WITH THAT AS WELL.

I LIKE THE IDEA OF NO WIND DRIVEN SIGNS.

SO DOES THAT MEAN NO FLOPPY MAN AND NO FEATHERS? WHAT I JUST DESCRIBED THAT ANSWER TO MAC LEWIS SAID, WHICH BE, LOOK, KEEP THE SIGN ORDINANCE THE SAME EXCEPT ON THE TEMPORARY SIGNS.

JUST GO UP FOR EVERYBODY AND SAY YOUR CURRENT TWO, THEY CAN BE SIX BY 6 36.

BUT WE STILL KEEP IN THE PROVISION OF NO WIND-DRIVEN SIGNS.

'CAUSE WE REALLY DON'T LIKE THE WAY THEY LOOK.

IT BECOMES A PROBLEM EITHER WAY.

AND AGAIN, AS LONG AS IT'S APPLIED ACROSS THE BOARD.

AND LEMME LEMME SAY THIS AGAIN.

THEORETICALLY NOBODY WILL HAVE THEM ACROSS THE BOARD APPLICATION.

NOBODY, NOBODY'S GONNA HAVE A A STEP UP.

WE, WE CURRENTLY HAVE THIS, YOU KNOW, THE 180 DAY THING.

AND AGAIN, MY IMPRESSION IS THAT THEY'RE NOT PRINTING OUT A REPORT EVERY WEEK GOING, ALL RIGHT, HERE ARE THE PEOPLE 180 DAYS UP.

RIGHT? IT'S WHEN THEY GET A LITTLE BIT OF A LOW.

LISA GOES OUT AND GOES, CHECK THE PERMITS WE'VE ISSUED WHERE WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN FINAL INSPECTIONS CALLED AND START TRACKING THOSE DOWN.

AND THEN SEND SOMEBODY OUT ON THE SIGN STUFF.

GIVE SO AND SO THIS NORTH, GO OVER TO CODE ENFORCEMENT.

THEY'RE GOING DOWN SOUTH.

HAVE 'EM LOOK FOR THOSE.

AND THEN WE'LL KIND OF GIVE NOTICE, RIGHT? AND THEN AS WE SEE STUFF THAT JUMPS OUT AT US, WE'LL PULL OVER AND WE'LL DEAL WITH IT.

I THINK THE FRUSTRATION AT TIMES IS SOMEBODY IN THEIR MIND AS I'M DRIVING TO DEAL WITH THIS ISSUE THAT I KNOW IS UP THERE AS, AS SILLY AS IT SEEMS, THEY'RE NOT KINDA LOOKING EVERYWHERE AND STOPPING AT EVERYTHING.

THEY'RE KIND OF THINKING ABOUT WHERE THEY GO.

SOMETIMES THEY NOTICE, SOMETIMES THEY DON'T.

BUT WHAT WE'LL GET THEN IS THEY'LL EITHER NOTICE SOMETHING, WE'LL GET A COMPLAINT ON SOMETHING AND THEN THOSE PEOPLE OFTEN GO, WELL WHAT ABOUT THIS, THIS, THIS, AND THIS? AND WE GO, ALL RIGHT, YOU GOT A COMPLAINT, I'LL HEAD DOWN THERE AND I'LL DO THOSE.

AND THAT TENDS TO BE HOW IT SORT OF HAPPENS.

THE OTHER THING I'LL SAY IS WE, WE TRY NOT TO APPROACH THIS REALLY HEAVILY HEAVY HANDED.

AND SO WHAT WE TRY TO GO IS, HEY, YOU NEED TO TAKE YOUR SIGN DOWN.

IT'S NOT ALLOWED BY CODE.

HERE'S WHAT'S ALLOWED, HERE'S WHAT YOU CAN KIND OF DO.

YOU JUST KIND OF NEED TO GET 'EM DOWN RIGHT THERE.

THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF DIFFERENCE.

IF THEY'VE GOT THE SIGN IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, I THINK, WHICH IS ONE THAT POPPED UP GOING, HEY, IT'S IN OUR RIGHT OF WAY.

IT REALLY, IT NEEDS TO COME DOWN NOW.

VERSUS HEY, YOU'RE DOING YOUR THING.

WE'RE GONNA COME BACK TOMORROW.

WE'LL COME BACK MONDAY.

YOU NEED TO TAKE 'EM DOWN.

AND FRANKLY, THAT'S HOW SOME SHORT TERM SPECIAL EVENTS DEAL WITH IS.

YEAH, NO, NO, WE UNDERSTAND IT'LL BE DOWN BEFORE YOU COME BACK TOMORROW WHEN THE EVENT'S OVER IN FOUR HOURS, THEY PULL 'EM IN.

SO WE'RE NOT PART OF THAT IS HOW WE APPROACH, WE THINK WE DO THAT CONSISTENCY CONSISTENTLY WITH FOLKS.

IT'S NOT A HEAVY HANDED KIND OF THING.

IF IT WAS IN THE BACK OF A TRUCK OR A PICKUP.

FROM WHAT I REMEMBER, IF SOMEONE WAS HAVING AN EVENT AT THE CIVIC CENTER, THEY COULDN'T PUT THE SIGN OUT, BUT IT HAD TO BE LIKE,

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THAT WAS ALLOWED.

SO WHAT WE, BECAUSE IT WASN'T ON THE PROPERTY, RIGHT? SO WITH THE EXCEPTION OF POLITICAL SIGNS, WHICH ARE A WHOLE DIFFERENT ANIMAL, WHEN YOU HAVE AN EVENT, WE DON'T LET YOU POST A TEMPORARY SIGN OUT IN FRONT OF OUR FACILITY.

RIGHT? 'CAUSE WE DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT A LITTLE BIT THAN EVERYBODY ELSE WITH OUR STUFF.

AND SO WE DON'T DO THAT.

WHAT WE DON'T REGULATE THOUGH, RIGHT, IS IF IS, IF COUNCILMAN MOSA WANTED TO WEAR A SANDWICH BOARD AND WALK UP AND DOWN THE SIDEWALK ADVERTISE AND WHATEVER, HE CAN DO THAT.

THAT'S NOT CONSIDERED A SIGN.

YOU CAN PUT A, YOU KNOW, MUCH LIKE YOU DO, YOU CAN PUT, HEY, REELECT, COUNCILWOMAN, HEY, WE'RE ON A MAGNET ON YOUR TRUCK.

WE DON'T REGULATE THAT AS WELL.

WE ALSO DON'T WANNA RE, LIKE SOMEBODY AT ONE OF THE EVENTS HAD A BIG WOODEN THING THEY BUILT IN THE BA I DON'T REGULATE THAT.

SO IF THEY WANNA PULL UP THE THING AND PARK IT THERE, WE DON'T TREAT THAT AS SIGNAGE.

SO WE DON'T REGULATE THAT AT ALL.

NOW AGAIN, WHAT WE'LL DO, IF SOMEBODY IS RENTING THE CIVIC CENTER AND THEY PARK SOMETHING AWAY, THAT'S A PROBLEM IS THAT THE OWNER OF THE CIVIC CENTER WHO'S LEASING TO THEM WILL WALK OVER AND GO, HEY, THIS IS A PROBLEM FOR THIS REASON.

YOU KIND OF GOTTA MOVE IT.

BUT YEAH, IF YOU WANNA PARK A TRUCK HERE AT THE CHURCH OR AT THE BUSINESS WITH A BIG THING IN THE BACK, YOU CAN, YOU CAN HAVE AT IT BECAUSE WE DON'T TREAT THAT AS SIGNAGE.

SO WHO, WHO, I MEAN THAT'S JUST, NOW AGAIN, YOU COULD RUN ALL SORTS OF CRAZY SCENARIOS WITH THAT FULL OF FEATHER FLAG AND BLAH BLAH AND STUFF LIKE THAT, BUT WE JUST DON'T REGULATE IT AS SIGNAGE.

, I THINK WE'RE DONE ON, OH, WE DO HAVE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER WESTBROOK.

CAN SOMEBODY JUST SUMMARIZE WHAT WE, WHERE WE'RE GOING? ? I, I WILL TRY AND PROBABLY NOT GET IT RIGHT, BUT WHAT I UNDERSTAND WE WANT TO DO THEN RIGHT, IS WE'RE, WE'RE BASICALLY SAYING WE'RE GONNA UP THE SIZE OF THE SIGN SIX BY 6, 36 WITH THE TEMP SIGNAGE TO BEGIN WITH.

BUT BEYOND THAT, WE REALLY DON'T WANT FEATHER FLAGS OR BALLOON SIGNS AT ALL.

AND, AND SO KIND OF KEEP WITH WHAT WE HAVE WITH A LITTLE BIT INCREASE ON THE TEMP SIGNS, WHICH IS UP TO TWO.

WE DON'T ALLOW WIND DRIVEN, MAKE SURE WE'RE ENFORCING, UM, CONSISTENTLY.

AND AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.

SO IT'S A MINOR MODIFICATION TO THE CODE, I WOULD SAY IS WHERE WE ENDED UP, I THINK IS, IS CAN I ASK MAYOR IS YES, THAT'S THE CONSENSUS.

THE COUNCIL, I THINK THERE'S NO COMMENT FROM COUNCIL.

SO I THINK THAT IS THE CONSENSUS OF THE COUNCIL.

AND I APPRECIATE THE PATIENCE WITH US.

POSSIBLE ITEMS YOU'D LIKE TO PLACE ON THE FUTURE? AGENDA? NONE.

TRY TO, TRY TO GET CLARITY.

THANK YOU EMILY.

ALRIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON.

UH, COUNSEL ANY POSSIBLE UPDATES OR INFORMATION REQUESTED FROM STAFF? NO.

COUNSEL.

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