Dec 04, 2024 Planning and Zoning Commission

ALRIGHTY.

THIS TIME IS SET ASIDE FOR ANY PERSON WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

EACH PERSON SHOULD FILL OUT THE SPEAKER'S REGISTER PRIOR TO THE MEETING.

PRESENTATION SHOULD BE LIMITED TO NO MORE THAN THREE MINUTES.

DISCUSSION BY THE COMMISSION OF ANY ITEM NOT ON THE AGENDA SHALL BE LIMITED TO A STATEMENT OF SPECIFIC FACTUAL INFORMATION GIVEN IN RESPONSE TO ANY INQUIRY, A RECITATION OF EXISTING POLICY IN RESPONSE TO AN INQUIRY AND OR A PROPOSAL TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA.

THE PRESIDING OFFICER DURING THE HEARING OF RESIDENCE PORTION OF THE AGENDA WILL CALL ON THOSE PERSONS WHO HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK IN THE ORDER THEY REGISTERED.

AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE'VE GOT THREE SIGNED UP AND THEY ALL WANT TO TALK ABOUT, UH, FIVE B, WHICH IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

SO, UM, YOU HAVE SOME CHOICES HERE.

YOU CAN SPEAK NOW AND DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING, OR YOU CAN WAIT AND SPEAK DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IT'S, IT'S YOUR CHOICE.

UH, FIRST ON THE, UH, FIRST PERSON TO SIGN UP WAS TIM DUCEK.

UH, MARK HOR.

GOOD EVENING, GENTLEMEN.

AND LADIES.

UH, I'VE BEEN BEFORE THIS COMMISSION AT LEAST ONCE OR TWICE BEFORE.

SO MY NAME IS MARK PENN SARNER.

I LIVE AT 83 20 TRAINER HILL ROAD, AND I'M HERE ABOUT THE REZONING OF APPROXIMATELY 85 ACRES ON WEIR ROAD.

UM, AS YOU'VE HEARD ME SAY BEFORE, MY BIGGEST CONCERNS ARE IN THE DEVELOPMENT IS PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE, MAKING SURE THAT THE DEVELOPMENT ACTUALLY HAS VALUE 20 YEARS FROM NOW, 30 YEARS FROM NOW.

EVEN THOUGH I MAY NOT BE HERE 30 YEARS FROM HERE.

UM, LOW DENSITY COMPARED TO HIGH DENSITY IS GOING TO BE MUCH BETTER ON THE RUNOFF.

AND I KNOW IT HASN'T FLOODED IN 20 YEARS, BUT IT'S GOING TO, AGAIN, I FEEL CERTAIN, AND MANY PEOPLE IN SHIRTS HAVE NEVER EXPERIENCED WHAT A NICE FLOOD IS, BUT IT CAN BE RATHER INTERESTING.

UM, AND MY PERSONAL NOTE IS THAT THIS 85 ACRES IN QUESTION AND THE LAND THAT IS WEST OF THAT, MOST OF THAT DRAINS THROUGH MY PROPERTY, NOT DIRECTLY, BUT INDIRECTLY.

CURRENTLY, WHEN IT RAINS THE WAY THE TOPOGRAPHY IS, THAT RAIN FALLS IN THE LAND, RUNS ACROSS THE LAND, WHICH HAS GOT A EASTWARD SLOPE TO, IT CROSSES WE ROAD IN THE LOW SPOTS.

THERE ARE SEVERAL CROSSES INTO THE FIELDS ON THE EAST SIDE.

THEY FLOW SOUTH INTO MY PLACE.

SO IF THE DRAINAGE IS NOT DONE CORRECTLY, I'LL HAVE MORE WATER RUNNING THROUGH MY PLACE AND THAT WILL NOT MAKE ME HAPPY, AND I WILL BE MORE THAN UNHAPPY ABOUT IT, ACTUALLY.

SO, PLEASE PLAN FOR THE FUTURE, GENTLEMEN AND LADIES.

UM, LOWER DENSITY IS GONNA BE BETTER THAN HIGH DENSITY, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GUYS CAN DO IT, BUT ENCOURAGE THE DEVELOPERS TO REALLY PLAN FOR DRAINAGE BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE IMPORTANT SOMEDAY, MAY NOT BE NOW.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

THANK YOU, SIR.

OKAY, LAST ON THE LIST.

IS, UH, BARBARA WARGO.

IS THAT CORRECT? YOU, YOU LIKE TO SPEAK NOW? OKAY.

FOUR IS OUR CONSENT AGENDA.

UH, ITEM NUMBER

[4. CONSENT AGENDA:]

WE HAVE A SINGLE ITEM ON THE AIR, FOUR A THE MINUTES FOR THE NOVEMBER 6TH, 2024 REGULAR MEETING.

UH, DO THOSE NEED TO BE PULLED FOR DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS? DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA? SO MOVED.

I HAVE A SECOND.

SECOND.

ALRIGHT, I SEE SIX VOTES.

I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE FROM COMMISSIONER WALL.

SO SECOND, FROM COMMISSIONER BRO, THERE IS NO DISCUSSION.

PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTES.

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CAN WE PUBLISH THAT VOTE PLEASE.

WE HAVE SIX AYES.

NONE OPPOSED.

MOTION PASSES.

ALRIGHT, ITEM NUMBER FIVE

[A. PLZC20240256 – Hold a public hearing and make a recommendation on a request to rezone approximately 26 acres of land, from Single-Family Residential District (R-2) to Single-Family Residential District (R-6), known as a portion of Guadalupe County Property Identification Number 64640, generally located 78 feet South of the intersection of Savannah Drive and Irish Creek Road, City of Schertz, Guadalupe County, Texas.]

ARE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE HAVE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.

WE HAVE FIVE OF THOSE THIS EVENING.

UH, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WILL HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING RELATED TO ZONE CHANGE REQUESTS, SPECIFIC USE PERMITS AND UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENTS.

WITHIN THE, WITHIN THIS AGENDA, THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE OPEN TO RECEIVE A REPORT FROM STAFF, THE APPLICANT, THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS AFFECTED BY THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST, AND ANY OTHER INTERESTED PERSONS UPON COMPLETION.

THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE CLOSED.

THE COMMISSION WILL DISCUSS AND CONSIDER THE APPLICATION AND MAY REQUEST ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM STAFF OR THE APPLICANT IF REQUIRED.

AFTER DELIBERATION, THE COMMISSION IS ASKED TO CONSIDER AND ACT UPON THE FOLLOWING REQUESTS AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL IF NECESSARY.

SO VERY QUICKLY BEFORE WE GET STARTED, FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT MAY NOT HAVE PARTICIPATED IN THIS THING, IN THIS TYPE OF ACTIVITY, UM, WE'LL TAKE EACH OF THESE INDIVIDUALLY ONE AT A TIME.

UH, IT WILL START WITH A PRESENTATION BY STAFF.

WHEN STAFF IS FINISHED, WE WILL GIVE THE APPLICANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE TO, TO UH, MAKE A PRESENTATION OR, UH, ADD, ADD SOME COMMENTS.

UM, AFTER THAT I WILL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC INPUT AT WHICH TIME, UH, ANYONE THAT'S INTERESTED IN ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION ON THAT TOPIC IS WELCOME TO STEP TO THE, THE, UH, PODIUM TO THE MICROPHONE.

UM, GIVE THEIR NAME AND ADDRESS AND THEN TRY TO LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES.

UH, ONCE WE'VE HEARD FROM EVERYBODY THAT HAS SOMETHING TO SAY, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC INPUT AND THEN THE COMMISSION, WE'LL DISCUSS IT, ASK QUESTIONS, AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.

MS. MARQUEZ, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.

SO WE'LL START OFF WITH UH, FIVE A-E-L-Z-C 2 2 4 0 2 5 6.

HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON A REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 26 ACRES OF LAND FROM SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL R TWO TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL R SIX KNOWN AS A PORTION OF GUADALUPE COUNTY PROPERTY IDENTIFICATION NUMBER 6 4 6 4 0.

GENERALLY LOCATED 78 FEET SOUTH OF THE INTERSECTION OF SAVANNAH DRIVE AND IRISH CREEK ROAD, CITY OF CTZ, GUADALUPE COUNTY, TEXAS.

PLZC 2 2 4 0 2 5 6.

A PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE TO R SIX LOCATED AT SAVANNAH AND IRISH CREEK ROAD, DAISY MARQUEZ PLANNER.

SO HERE IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY OUTLINING IN GREEN.

IT IS APPROXIMATELY 26 ACRES AND IT IS A PORTION OF PROPERTY ID 6 4 6 4 0.

AND HERE IS THE PROPERTY AGAIN OUTLINED IN YELLOW.

SO AGAIN, WE ARE FOCUSED TONIGHT ON A PORTION OF THE LARGER PROPERTY.

SO THE LARGER PROPERTY WOULD ENCOMPASS THIS WHOLE PARCEL, BUT WE ARE ONLY FOCUSED ON A PORTION WHICH IS 26 ACRES OF THAT PARCEL.

UM, IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT R TWO AND IT IS A POLO FARM AND THEY'RE REQUESTING R SIX TO THE NORTH.

WE HAVE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, WHICH IS THE KENSINGTON RANCH, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES TO THE SOUTH.

WE HAVE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT R TWO AND IT'S CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED AGRICULTURE TO THE EAST.

WE ALSO HAVE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT R TWO THAT IS CURRENTLY USED FOR DRAINAGE.

AND THEN TO THE WEST WE HAVE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT R TWO, UM, THAT IS A REMAINDER OF THAT PROPERTY.

AND THEN, UM, OUTSIDE OF CITY LIMITS, WHICH IS IN UNIVERSAL CITY, WHICH IS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES.

AND THIS BLUE LINE RIGHT HERE REPRESENTS THE A PZ TUBE.

SO 22 PUBLIC NOTICES WERE SENT ON NOVEMBER 19TH, AND AS OF 1127 WE HAD ONE IN FAVOR, ZERO NEUTRAL 17 IN OPPOSITION.

AND UM, JUST BEFORE THIS MEETING, I RECEIVED TWO MORE FOR A TOTAL OF 19 AND A PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE WILL BE PUBLISHED IN THE SAN ANTONIO EXPRESS PRIOR TO CITY COUNCIL.

AND TWO SIGNS WERE PLACED BY THE APPLICANT ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

SO THIS, UH, PRESENTATION WAS PREPARED BEFORE I RECEIVED THE TWO OTHER OPPOSITIONS, BUT UM, IT IS CURRENTLY AT 18.99% OPPOSITION.

UM, AND AGAIN, WE JUST WANNA REMIND THIS WILL NOT AFFECT THE PLANNING AND ZONING RECOMMENDATION, BUT 20% IS REQUIRED TO TRIGGER LGC UH, TWO 11.0066, WHICH WOULD TAKE EFFECT ON UH, CITY

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COUNCIL.

SO AGAIN, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 26 ACRES OF LAND FROM R TWO TO R SIX, WHICH IS AGAIN, AS SHOWN HERE, A PORTION OF THAT LARGER PARCEL.

BUT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY'S PLAN TO BE PART OF A LARGER DEVELOPMENT THAT PROPOSES DEVELOPING WITHIN THE APZ TWO.

AND, BUT THE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY WITHIN THE APZ TWO IS NOT PART OF THAT REQUESTED REZONE, THE CITY OF SHEZ FIRE EMS AND POLICE DEPARTMENTS HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED OF THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE AND HAVE NOT PROVIDED OBJECTIONS.

AND A PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE WAS MAILED TO S-C-U-C-I-S-D AND HERE IS THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS THE LARGER PARCEL, UM, AS A WHOLE KIND OF LOOKING AT THAT DEVELOPMENT.

UH, THIS LINE IS THE A PZ LINE.

THIS START LINE RIGHT HERE, AGAIN, THIS IS NOT PART OF THE REZONE, BUT HERE TO THE RIGHT IS THOSE 26 ACRES THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING THE R SIX FOUR.

SO WHEN LOOKING AT ZONE CHANGES, STAFF LOOKS AT UDC SECTION 21 5 11 D FOR THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL.

ONE, WHETHER THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE IMPLEMENTS THE POLICIES OF THE ADOPTED COMPREHENSIVE LAND PLAN OR ANY OTHER APPLICABLE ADOPTED PLANS.

SO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED AS COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN FEATURE, LAND USE MAP AND COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOOD IS DESCRIBED AS GENERAL AREAS CHARACTERIZED BY A MIXTURE OF HOUSING OPTIONS WITH SUPPORTING LAND USES SUCH AS NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL WITH THE CONSIDERATION OF ROADWAY CLASSIFICATION, CONFLICTS AMONG LAND USES IN BUILDINGS AND UNDUE CONCENTRATION OR DIFFUSION OF POPULATION WHEN CONSIDERING THE APPROPRIATENESS OF HOUSING DENSITY AND COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY.

SO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES DO MEET THE INTENT OF THE CO COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOOD LAND USE DESIGNATION.

HOWEVER, WHEN CONSIDERING THE ROADWAY CLASSIFICATION AND CONFLICTS AMONG LAND USES THE PROPOSED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT R SIX DOES NOT IMPLEMENT THE POLICIES OF THE ADOPTED COMPREHENSIVE LAND PLAN.

AND AS PER THE ZONING EXHIBIT PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT, UH, PROPERTY IDENTIFICATION NUMBER 6 4 6 4 0 IS PARTIALLY LOCATED WITHIN THE A PZ AND IS PROPOSED TO BE DEVELOPED AT R TWO.

THE CURRENT ZONING DESIGNATION AND THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY IS THAT REMAINDER APPROXIMATELY 26 ACRES OF THE SUBJECT PARCEL AND THEY'RE REQUESTING AN INCREASE IN DENSITY.

SO THE 2015 JBSA RANDOLPH, UH, JL LS INCLUDES PROVISIONS FOR DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE APZ TWO TO ENCOURAGE AND PROMOTE COMPATIBILITY WITH MILITARY OPERATIONS AND TO PROTECT PUBLIC WELFARE.

AND THESE PROVISIONS INCLUDE A MAXIMUM RESIDENTIAL DENSITY OF TWO UNITS PER ACRE.

AND THE EXISTING R TWO EXCEEDS THE DENSITY AND THE PROPOSED R SIX DOES NOT HELP REMEDY THE DENSITY WITHIN THE APZ.

TWO, THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE DOES NOT PROMOTE PARTNERSHIP WITHIN THE CITY OF SHIRTS COMMUNITY PARTNERS AND DOES NOT DECREASE THE POTENTIAL CONFLICTS AMONG LAND USES, WHICH ULTIMATELY DOES NOT PROMOTE THE POLICIES OF THE ADOPTED COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN.

SEE WHERE THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE PROMOTES THE HEALTH, SAFETY OR GENERAL WELFARE OF THE CITY.

AND AS PART OF PROMOTING HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE, THE CITY SHOULD ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING USES, UTILIZING STANDARDS AND TRANSITIONAL USES TO ALLEVIATE NEGATIVE IMPACTS PER THE ZONING EXHIBIT SEEN HERE ON THIS SLIDE, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A FULLY DEVELOPED APPROXIMATELY 44 ACRES OF LAND, EVEN THE PORTION WITHIN THE ACCIDENT POTENTIAL ZONE TWO.

AND ADDITIONALLY A WET POND IS BEING PROPOSED ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WHICH IS LOCATED WITHIN THE JBSA RANDOLPH BASH ZONE.

AND AS SOME OF YOU MIGHT KNOW, THE BASH ZONE IS THE BIRD AIRCRAFT STRIKE HAZARD ZONE AND DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE BASH ZONE SHOULD HELP MITIGATE BIRD ATTRACTION WITHIN THE ZONE.

AND A PROPOSED WAS POND DOES NOT HELP MITIGATE BIRD ATTRACTION.

AND HERE ARE SOME SNIPPETS FROM THE J-B-S-A-J-L.

THIS IS THE MAP THAT WE'RE KIND OF REFERRING TO FOR THE BASH ZONES IN HERE IS HOW JB THE JBCJ LU DESCRIBES THE BASTIONS.

AND AGAIN, IT'S CHARACTERIZED BY AREAS THAT COULD BE AFFECTED BY BIRD AND WILDLIFE STRIKES DUE TO LOW LEVEL FLIGHT OPERATIONS AND THOSE OPERATIONS CAN IMPACT COMMUNITY ACTIVITIES.

AND CONVERSELY, COMMUNITY ACTIVITIES COULD ADVERSELY AFFECT OPERATIONS IN THIS AREA, IF NOT COORDINATED WITH JBSA.

AND HERE'S A CLOSEUP OF THAT BASH ZONE.

THIS IS THE BASH ZONE HERE WITH THAT DASH RED LINE.

AND THIS IS THE SUBJECT AREA, UM, THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TODAY.

SO THREE, WHETHER THE USE IS PERMITTED BY THE PROPOSED CHANGE WILL BE CONSISTENT AND APPROPRIATE WITH EXISTING USES IN THE MEDIA AREA.

SO THE PROPOSED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT R SIX IS NOT INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING LAND USES.

UH, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT AIC IS INTENDED FOR SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED RESIDENCES ON A MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF 7,200 SQUARE FEET, TOGETHER WITH SCHOOLS, CHURCHES, AND PARKS NECESSARY TO CREATE BASIC NEIGHBORHOOD UNITS.

AND THIS DISTRICT IS INTENDED TO BE DEVELOPED USING CONTEMPORARY BUILDING STYLES AND ALLOW THOSE DWELLINGS TO BE CONSTRUCTED ON RELATIVELY SMALL LOTS WITH THE MAXIMUM TRACK SIZE TRACT OF R SIX TO BE 30 ACRES AS PUDC SECTION 2155.

AND ALTHOUGH THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT R TWO IS NOT, IS ALSO NOT INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING LAND

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USES, THE PORTION OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE EIGHT PZ TWO IS BEING PROPOSED TO BE DEVELOPED AND THE PROPOSED REZ ZONE TO R SIX OF APPROXIMATELY 26 ACRES FURTHER EXACERBATES THE PROVISION FROM THE J LS THAT REQUEST TWO UNITS PER ACRE FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT FOR COMPARABILITY WITHIN THE A PZ TWO FOUR, WHETHER OTHER FACTORS ARE DEEMED RELEVANT AND IMPORTANT IN CONSIDERATION OF THE AMENDMENT.

SO PREVIOUS ZONING DISCUSSIONS AT THE CITY COUNCIL HAVE ESTABLISHED A POLICY THAT IF A PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE WILL NOT RESULT IN AN INHERENTLY BETTER DEVELOPMENT THAN WHAT COULD POTENTIALLY DEVELOP WITH THE CURRENT ZONING, THEN THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE WOULD NOT BE DESIRED.

SO THE PROPOSED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT R SIX WILL NOT INHERENTLY CREATE A BETTER DEVELOPMENT DUE TO CONCERNS OF THE EXISTING ZONING WITHIN THE APZ TWO AND THE INCREASE OF DENSITY PROPOSED WITH THE REQUESTED REZONING.

THAT DOES NOT MEET THE PROVISIONS OF THE 2015 J LS AND PREVIOUS APPLICATIONS FOR ZONE CHANGE AT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FOR APPLYING DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT PROPOSED TO RESTRICT DEVELOPMENT OUTSIDE OF THE APZ TWO AND RECEIVED AFFIRMATIVE SUPPORT FROM GBA RANDOLPH, BUT WAS DENIED.

AND AT THE PREVIOUSLY REQUESTED ZONE CHANGE, THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY OWNERS PROVIDED SIGNIFICANT OPPOSITION TO HIGHER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

AND THIS IS JUST A SIDE BY SIDE OF WHAT, UM, SOME SITE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS OF THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT R TWO VERSUS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT R SIX.

AND YOU'LL SEE HERE THAT R TWO S 70 BY ONE 20 LOTS, R SIX R 60 BY ONE 20 THERE IS A SQUARE FOOTAGE DIFFERENCE.

AND THAT'S JUST FOR YOUR REFERENCE.

SO WITH THAT, THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE DOES NOT MITIGATE CONFLICTS BETWEEN LAND USES AND DOES NOT IMPLEMENT POLICY SET BY CITY COUNCIL AND PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS.

SO STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL OF PLZC 2 2 4 0 2 5 6 AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.

OH, YOU JUST, YEAH.

GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS.

PATRICK CHRISTENSEN, YOU'VE SEEN ME HERE BEFORE.

I'M HERE AGAIN ON BEHALF OF MERITAGE HOMES.

UM, AS I'M SURE YOU'RE AWARE, I KIND OF DO THIS ZONING CHANGE STUFF FOR A LIVING.

AND LEMME TELL YOU, THIS STAFF REPORT IS A COMPLETE HIT JOB.

I MEAN, LEMME GO THROUGH THIS WITH YOU.

UM, AS STAFF MENTIONED, WE'RE NOT REZONING ANYTHING INSIDE THE A PZ TWO, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE, FROM THE EXHIBIT.

EVERYTHING WE'RE REZONING IS OUTSIDE OF THAT AREA.

NOW STAFF APPARENTLY IS UPSET ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE'RE PLANNING ON DEVELOPING SOMETHING THAT'S IN THE A PZ THAT'S ALREADY ZONED.

SO LET'S SAY FOR EXAMPLE, THIS ZONING CASE ULTIMATELY GETS DENIED.

A DEVELOPER CAN COME IN AND BUILD ON THE AREA IN THE APZ TWO WITH THE EXISTING ZONE WHETHER WE'RE HERE OR NOT.

SO WHEN THIS CASE CAME TO ME, 'CAUSE I WAS HERE ON THE GAS STATION CASE WHEN Y'ALL WERE DOING THE, I BELIEVE THEY WERE TRYING TO DO SOME KIND OF, THEY SAID PDD, BUT IT'S BASICALLY A MULTIFAMILY FOR SOME KIND OF SMALL SINGLE FAMILY HOMES FOR RENT.

SO WHEN I LOOKED AT THAT, UM, AND SAW THIS, I WAS LIKE, WELL HEY, THIS IS KIND OF A A NO BRAINER.

I MEAN WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DO ANY KIND OF MULTIFAMILY, WE'RE JUST DOING SINGLE FAMILY.

AND THE DENSITY WE'RE ASKING FOR IS THE EXACT SAME DENSITY THAT KENSINGTON RANCH HAS.

THOSE ARE 7,200 SQUARE FOOT LOTS.

NOW WHAT'S OVER IN UNIVERSAL CITY IS EVEN SMALLER.

THAT'S LIKE ALMOST 6,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS.

AND THOSE ARE ALL ENTIRELY WITHIN THE APZ TWO.

SO WE SUBMIT OUR APPLICATION AND UM, YOU KNOW, I SAW A STAFFS REPORT, IT WAS A LITTLE SHOCKING BECAUSE WE DID EVERYTHING WE COULD TO KEEP OUT OF THE A PZ TWO.

NOW THE FACT THAT THERE'S ALREADY EXISTING ZONING THERE THAT APPARENTLY THE CITY'S UPSET ABOUT, WE'RE NOT REZONING THAT.

SO, AND THEN THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY.

AND WHAT'S WHAT'S REALLY HILARIOUS ABOUT THAT IS THEY'RE COMPLAINING ABOUT SOMEHOW WE'RE GONNA CAUSE BIRDS TO FLY INTO JET ENGINES SOMEHOW FROM THIS SITE, THAT DETENTION AREA, WHICH WE'RE HAPPY TO GET RID OF OR MOVE OR DO SOMETHING WITH.

THERE'S, WE GOT A LOT OF OPTIONS THERE.

IT'S AN EXISTING POND WATER TANK THAT'S PROBABLY BEEN THERE WITH THE POLO FIELDS FOR A HUNDRED YEARS.

I MEAN, I, I DON'T THINK IT'S CAUSING A PROBLEM WITH JET ENGINES TODAY.

AND LIKE I SAID, WE CAN TRY TO DO SOMETHING WITH THAT.

UM, SO WE'RE ASKING FOR ZONING THAT WOULD ALLOW THE EXACT SAME DENSITY AS ACROSS THE STREET.

WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR REZONING IN THE A PZ TWO THAT'S ALREADY THERE.

WE DO PLAN TO BUILD ON IT, BUT SOMEBODY'S GONNA BUILD ON IT.

YOU KNOW, WHEN I SPOKE TO SOME OF THE BOARD OF KENSINGTON RANCH, I TOLD THEM, LET US BUILD OUR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

'CAUSE IF YOU DON'T, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IS SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, SOMEBODY'S PROBABLY GONNA COME BACK AND TRY TO ASK FOR MULTI-FAMILY OVER THERE AGAIN.

SO I'M SURE YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF PRESSURE FOR MULTIFAMILY IN THIS AREA.

I THINK A NICE MERITAGE SINGLE FAMILY HOME DEVELOPMENT ON THIS SITE WOULD BE GOOD.

IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BE GOOD FOR THE CITY.

UM, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR A ZONING CHANGE IN THE APZ TWO, WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR THE R SIX OUTSIDE OF THE A PZ.

SO IF YOU HAVE

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ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE, JUST LET ME KNOW.

THANK YOU SIR.

UM, BEFORE WE GET TO THE PUBLIC INPUT, COULD YOU, UM, BRING UP ONE OF THE, UM, PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT THAT DRAWING? SO WE HAVE SOMETHING TO YOU HAVE.

YES, SIR.

THAT, THAT ONE WILL BE FINE.

UM, OKAY.

IT IS, UH, 6:20 PM AND I WILL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC INPUT.

ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THIS SUBJECT IS, IS WELCOME TO STEP FORWARD.

PLEASE, UH, GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND TRY TO LIMIT YOUR RESPON YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES.

HI, MY NAME IS BARBARA WARGO.

I LIVE AT 3 5 1 3 BLUE MOON SPUR IN KENSINGTON RANCH.

UM, THIS SEEMS LIKE DEJA VU ONCE AGAIN.

WE HAVE HOMES THAT ARE GONNA BE AT A MUCH HIGHER DENSITY THAN EVERYTHING AROUND IT DUMPING ONTO SAVANNAH DRIVE.

THE SAME PROBLEMS WITH TRAFFIC PATTERN, THE SAME PROBLEMS WITH OVERLOADING ARE ALREADY OVERLOADED.

SCHOOLS IN THE AREA, THE SAME PROBLEMS THAT WE BROUGHT UP THE LAST TIME.

YEAH, THIS IS LESS THAN THE, THE MULTI-FAMILY HOMES AND THE RENTALS, BUT THOSE BASIC PROBLEMS HAVE NOT BEEN ADDRESSED.

UM, WE CANNOT SUPPORT WITH 1518 BEING UNABLE TO BE EXPANDED.

SAVANNAH BEING UNABLE TO BE EXPANDED.

UM, SHEZ PARKWAY UNABLE TO BE EXPANDED THAT MUCH OF AN INFLUX.

I MEAN, SOMETHING ELSE NEEDS TO BE DONE.

IF THEY HAVE A SEPARATE ENTRANCE AND EXIT AND SOME MAGICAL WAY TO TELEPORT ONTO THEIR ROADS, GREAT.

BUT OTHERWISE, HOW ARE THEY GONNA ENTER AND EXIT WITHOUT MESSING THE WHOLE THING UP? I DON'T, SOMETIMES IT'S IMPOSSIBLE RIGHT NOW TO GET UP 1518 CAN TAKE 20, 25 MINUTES FROM KENSINGTON RANCH TO GET TO THE HIGHWAY AND, AND THE THE LINEUP TO GET TO YOUR KIDS OUT OF PASCHAL ELEMENTARY.

IT'S NUTS.

THEY STILL HAVE ALL THEIR TEMPORARY BUILDINGS.

SO WHEN SOMEBODY SAID THE LAST TIME, OH, THESE SCHOOLS CAN ACCOMMODATE A WHOLE BUNCH MORE KIDS.

NO THEY CAN'T.

YOU KNOW, SO, SO I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

YES, I KNOW IT HAS TO BE DEVELOPED, BUT CAN THEY DO IT R TWO, DO YOU REALLY HAVE TO JUMP TO R SIX, MAKE IT AT A LOWER DENSITY? I KNOW, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT WE ELECT PEOPLE TO REPRESENT US AND NOT JUST GO AFTER THE MONEY FOR MORE TAX BASE.

I KNOW GROWTH IS GOOD, BUT WE NEED TO CONTROL IT.

IF EVERYTHING AROUND YOU IS R TWO, WHY ARE YOU GONNA STUFF RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT? R SIX, GO FOR SOMETHING LESS, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT FIT IN AND THINK ABOUT THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS AND EVERYTHING ELSE IT'S GONNA DO TO THE COMMUNITY.

THAT SUPPORT HAS TO BE FIGURED OUT BEFORE YOU ADD IN ALL THOSE HOMES.

GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS AND RESIDENTS.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

YEAH, MY NAME IS JILL MOORE.

I LIVE AT 35 34 WOODLAWN FARMS. AND, UM, I, SHE PRETTY , I PRETTY MUCH AGREE WITH EVERYTHING SHE SAID THE BIG PROBLEM WHERE WE ARE IS GOING TO BE THE TRAFFIC BECAUSE THERE HASN'T BEEN PROPOSED A WAY TO DEAL WITH THAT.

UM, WE SEE ALL THE TIME 'CAUSE WE FACE SAVANNAH THAT PEOPLE WAITING TO PICK UP THEIR KIDS.

THEY, THEY'RE ALL THE WAY DOWN PAST, UH, IRISH CREEK.

AND TO ADD TO THAT AND MY UNDERSTANDING STILL, I HAVEN'T HEARD IF THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO PUT A LIGHT OR ANY KIND OF TRAFFIC MITIGATION RIGHT AT IRISH CREEK.

SO IT ENDANG AND THERE'S NO SIDEWALK.

IT, IT ENDANGERS THE CHILDREN, IT ENDANGERS EVERYBODY AND WITH THE TRAFFIC AND THEY HAVEN'T, I DON'T KNOW.

IT'S A COMPLICATED THING TO TRY AND FIX OUR PORTION OF 1518 THERE AND IT WOULD JUST ADD INSULT TO INJURY BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY OVERWHELMED.

SO JUST ASK YOU TO PLEASE CONSIDER IT.

SO THANK YOU.

MY NAME IS TIM DUSIK, 1 1 5 1 7 CYPRESS BARN, SHEZ, TEXAS 7 8 1 5 4.

AND UH, THE SPEAKER WHO WAS JUST UP HERE, OR FIRST I WAS IT BARBARA, UH, SHE MENTIONED A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I'M GONNA USE AS A PRELUDE TO WHAT I'M GONNA GET TO, UH, IN CASE THE PUBLIC IS NOT AWARE, THERE IS A SPECIAL ELECTION, UH, GOING ON RIGHT NOW, UH, TO, FOR SEAT FOUR, PLACE FOUR, UH, I AM ONE OF THE CANDIDATES AND IF YOU, IT SOUNDED LIKE YOU READ RIGHT OFF OF MY CAMPAIGN LITERATURE BECAUSE MY, UH, MAIN, UH, POINT IS THAT AS YOUR COUNCILMAN, I WILL

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STEADFASTLY VOTE THE WILL OF THE RESIDENTS AND I WILL PROMOTE SMART GROWTH STRATEGIES.

AS BARBARA SAID, THE CITY HAS TO GROW, BUT IT CAN BE DONE IN A SMART WAY AND I WANTED TO MAKE, UH, THE RESIDENTS AWARE OF THAT.

I WANTED TO MAKE YOU ALL AWARE OF THAT AS WELL.

IT IS A LOW TURNOUT ELECTION AND I DON'T, I DON'T LOOK THE PART OF A CITY COUNCIL CANDIDATE, BUT I'VE BEEN OUT WAVING SIGNS ON CHURCH PARKWAY SINCE EIGHT O'CLOCK THIS MORNING, THREE DAYS IN NOW.

SO THERE'S UH, FOUR MORE DAYS OF EARLY VOTING AND THEN ELECTION DAY ON THE 14TH.

BUT I WANTED TO MAKE THE RESIDENTS AWARE THAT SHOULD SOMETHING LIKE THIS COME UP, YOU WILL HAVE AN ALLY ON CITY COUNCIL.

MICHELLE YORK, 36 0 1 SUN GLAD RANCH IN SHIRTS.

UM, UNFORTUNATELY I MISSED A LITTLE BIT OF THE BEGINNING HERE, SO I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS ARE ALLOWED TO ASK QUESTIONS LATER, BUT, UM, I SEE THAT THEY'VE GOT THE IN AND THE OUT COMING FROM SAVANNAH AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE AND FROM WHAT I SAW ONLINE, IT DIDN'T LOOK AS THOUGH THE MASKEY ROAD IN ENTRANCE WAS ACTUALLY APPROVED YET.

SO MY MAIN CONCERN WOULD BE TRAFFIC AS WELL.

JUST, UM, I'M HAPPY WITH SINGLE HAM FAMILY HOMES, SO LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE, I DON'T WANT THE MULTI-FAMILY.

UM, BUT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT ONLY IF THAT OTHER MASSEY ROAD ENTRANCE HASN'T BEEN APPROVED YET.

THAT WHOLE SITUATION THAT WE RAN INTO LAST TIME WHERE THERE'S ONE ENTRANCE AND ONE EXIT.

UM, I ALSO WAS WONDERING IF, UH, MY BRAIN STOPPED, SORRY, WITH THE R SIX HERE.

THIS SAYS, UM, MASTER LAND PLAN OPTION TWO THAT GOES TO SHOW THERE MIGHT BE AN OPTION ONE.

SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS LIKE IF THERE'S ANY WAY WE COULD FIND OUT WHAT THAT OPTION ONE WAS BEFORE WE REZONED SOMETHING.

ALSO, IF THE LAND IS ALREADY SOLD, SO DID THEY ALREADY PURCHASE THE LAND? AND IF SO, THEN THAT MEANS THAT MAYBE THAT OPTION ONE IS SOMETHING THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO LOOK AT RATHER THAN REZONING.

UM, AND IF IT'S NOT SO SOLD, THEN I'M CONCERNED WITH REZONING SOMETHING THAT ISN'T ALREADY BEING PURCHASED AND ACTUALLY ZONING FOR SOMETHING THAT, LIKE THE GENTLEMAN SAID, THEY COULD, SOMEBODY ELSE COULD COME IN LATER AND THEN DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH.

SO, UM, THAT'S REALLY MY CONCERN IS THAT IF, IF IT'S NOT SOLD AND THIS ISN'T A DONE DEAL, I WOULD BE HESITANT TO WANT YOU GUYS TO REZONE ANYTHING WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT COULD POTENTIALLY COME IN IF THEY DECIDE TO BACK OUT.

SO THANK YOU ARIA.

I HAD MY TIMER HERE.

I KEEP FORGETTING TO TURN THE SOUND OFF ON IT.

MY APOLOGIES.

I KNOW THERE'S A WAY TO DO IT HERE.

WE'LL TRY THAT AND SEE IF THAT WORKS.

UM, SURE, COME ON IN.

I HAVE TO ADJUST BECAUSE I'M VERY SHORT .

THAT'S ALRIGHT.

HI, MY NAME'S CAROLINE OSA AND I LIVE AT 4 3 5 HARVEST POINT IN SELMA.

I AM CURRENTLY THE KENSINGTON RANCH, UH, BOARD PRESIDENT AND I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE COMMUNITY.

UM, WE ALL HAVE BASICALLY THE SAFE CONCERNS.

UM, ROBERT DID A GREAT JOB EXPLAINING SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS.

I PERSONALLY HAVE REACHED OUT TO TEXAS DOT AFTER THE PREVIOUS, UM, REZONING MEETING THAT WE HAD AND THEY HAVE NO PLANS IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS TO ADJUST, UM, 1518.

SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS, UH, KNOWN TO EVERYBODY.

WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THINGS THE SAME ZONE THAT IT IS ALREADY SET UP AS.

UM, ADDING MORE DENSITY IS, IS GONNA BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR TRAFFIC.

I'M FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO ADJUST MY SCHEDULE SO THAT I DON'T HAVE TO LEAVE DURING TRAFFIC HOURS.

UM, EXCEPT FOR TIMES WHERE I'M FORCED TO GO TO MEETINGS AT A CERTAIN TIME IN THE MORNING.

UM, BUT I CAN MAKE MY OWN SCHEDULE AND BECAUSE OF THAT I AVOID THE TRAFFIC BECAUSE IT GETS SO BAD OFF THAT ROAD WITH THERE ONLY BEING, UM, ONE WAY IN EACH DIRECTION.

SO I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT WE'RE NOT EQUIPPED IN THAT AREA TO, TO BE ABLE TO, UM, DEAL WITH THE TRAFFIC THAT WE'RE ALREADY SEEING.

IT'S ONLY GONNA GET WORSE.

SO KEEPING IT AT A MINIMUM TO THE R TWO ZONING WOULD BE BEST FIT FOR OUR COMMUNITY AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITY THAT WOULD BE EXTENDED.

ANYONE ELSE? NO ONE.

IT IS, UH, 6:30 PM PUBLIC INPUT

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PHASE IS CLOSED.

COMMISSIONERS, COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? I HAVE A COUPLE IF I CAN START.

EXCUSE ME.

UM, CAN I, UH, CAN I START WITH PATRICK? ACTUALLY, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.

DO YOU, UH, DO YOU KNOW, SO JUST KIND OF LOOKING AT YOUR CONVERSION OR NOT CONVERSION, BUT YOUR LAND USE SUMMARY ON THE SIDE.

SO IF, IF IT ALL REMAINED R TWO, DO YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATE OF HOW MANY LOTS THEY'D BE ABLE TO KEEP ORANGE IN THE, THE R TWO, THE ORANGE? YEAH.

SO LET'S, LET'S SAY WE, THE ZONING GOT DENIED.

I MEAN YOU'RE, WE'RE ASSUMING IT'S GONNA GET BUILT OUT.

UM, AND YOU'D EVEN MENTIONED THAT THE DETENTION POND THAT COULD REALISTICALLY THERE, I MEAN THERE'S OTHER ALTERNATES LOT COUNT.

I MEAN, DO YOU THINK IT IT'S SOMETHING THAT I KNOW IT'S REALLY PRELIMINARY THAT, I MEAN, JUST BE SIMILAR.

I, I I JUST GUESSTIMATING.

I MEAN I HAVE 32 LOTS INSIDE THE MM-HMM.

THE AREA THAT WE'RE NOT REZONING.

I MEAN IF YOU, THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ONE THIRD IF YOU JUST KIND OF TOOK THAT ACROSS.

YEAH, WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT 96 PLUS OR MINUS LOTS.

I MEAN, NOT A WHOLE LOT DIFFERENT CORRECT.

TO BE HONEST.

AND THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANY KIND OF PRELIMINARY TIAI KNOW.

I MEAN WELL THIS IS LIKE, I KNOW YOU'RE REALLY EARLY IN THE PROCESS.

THERE'S NO TRAFFIC IMPACT.

NO.

WELL, SO I TALKED TO THE ENGINEER ABOUT THAT 'CAUSE SOME OF THE, THE QUESTIONS I I HAVE GOTTEN FROM KENSINGTON RANCH WERE, YOU KNOW, COULD YOU PUT A, A STOPLIGHT THERE? AND OUR ENGINEER SAID IT DOESN'T WARRANT A STOPLIGHT, BUT WE COULD CERTAINLY PETITION THE CITY AND ASK FOR A STOP SIGN.

MM-HMM .

UM, IT WOULD CERTAINLY WARRANT THAT BECAUSE I'VE GOT SOME HEARD, HEARD THAT PEOPLE DRIVE VERY FAST DOWN SAVANNAH AND THAT'S AN ISSUE FOR PEOPLE GETTING OUT OF KENSINGTON RANCH.

SO YEAH, WE WOULD CERTAINLY ASK THE CITY IF WE COULD PUT A STOP SIGN THERE.

UM, I THINK THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE FOR YOU.

UH, I REALLY, I, SO THE, THE BIG THING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WAS THERE WAS A PDD, SO THE EARLIER, UH, REQUEST IN MARCH THAT WAS THE PDD THAT JBS SAID THEY DIDN'T OPPOSE.

SO BASICALLY WHAT THE PD DD HAD BEFORE WAS THAT EVERYTHING WITHIN THE APZ TWO WOULD REMAIN AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, UNDISTURBED.

AND THEY WOULD, UM, THEY, YOU KNOW, SPOKE WITH JBC, THEY COMMUNICATED WITH THEM AND THEY WOULD HAVE ALL THEIR DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THIS AREA.

UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, UM, WE HAVE MET WITH COUNCIL SINCE THEN AND WE'VE GOTTEN THE DIRECTION IF THINGS DON'T GET INHERENTLY BETTER, THEY DON'T SEE IT AS DESIRABLE.

SO, SO WHAT'S THEIR VISION? LIKE THE IDEAL VISION IS? WELL, WHAT WE'VE GOTTEN FROM PEOPLE IS ESSENTIALLY THEY WANT IT TO REMAIN AS IT IS.

I, OKAY, WELL IF THAT'S, I MEAN, THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS THE RIGHT TO DEVELOP IT AS R TWO AS IT IS NOW, BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE FOR IT TO STAY AS IT IS NOW? NO, I'M NOT SAYING THAT MA .

THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT YOU WERE SAYING.

WE, WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY, UH, AND I'M JUST GONNA, I'M GONNA INTERRUPT Y'ALL HERE.

UH, THE, THE, THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION TO DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY, UH, WAS BASICALLY THE AREA THAT YOU SEE IN THE LIGHT GREEN OUTSIDE THE A PZ WAS KIND OF A MIXED R FOUR.

THEY HAD TWO OR THREE TRADITIONAL APARTMENT BUILDINGS AND THEN, UH, UM, SEVERAL, UM, ONE AND TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS.

AND AS PART OF THAT DEVELOPMENT, THE DEVELOPER PROMISED TO NOT DEVELOP THE PROPERTY THAT WAS IN THE A PZ MM-HMM.

MAYBE 15 IN THERE AND THAT'S IT.

UH, THAT FAILED BOTH HERE AND AT CITY COUNCIL.

SO THAT'S WHY, UM, NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT, OKAY.

AND, AND I, AND I'M SURE IT'S A, UM, IT'S A PROFITABILITY THING THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, NOW THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO LEAVE THAT 26 ACRES AND THE A PZ, THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO LEAVE THAT UNDEVELOPED, THEY HAVE TO DEVELOP IT.

SO IN ONE WAY, WE KIND OF SHOT OURSELVES IN THE FOOT ON THIS ONE.

DOES THAT HELP ANY? YEAH, I I THINK MY, WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT HERE IS I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS, UM, BUT I MEAN AT THIS POINT, LET'S SAY THEY SCRAP THE ATTENTION POND, LIKE WHEN SOMEONE SAID THIS IS OPTION TWO.

I MEAN THERE, I'M SURE THERE'S AN OPTION WHERE THIS WHOLE THING IS COVERED IN LOTS, YOU KNOW, IS THE DENSITY THAT MUCH DIFFERENT? WELL, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOUR QUESTION WAS, WAS, AND I I HAD WRITTEN THE SAME QUESTION.

UM, HOW MANY, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? HOW MANY MORE LOTS ARE YOU GONNA GET OUT OF R SIX? AND I'M GUESSING JUST LOOKING AT HIS NUMBERS UP HERE IN THE CORNER, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE 10 TO 12, SOMEWHERE THAT,

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THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE, UM, BETWEEN R TWO AND, AND AS FAR AS I, I PUT THIS DRAWING I HAD, I HAD STAFF PUT THE DRAWING UP THERE, SO, SO WE'D HAVE AT LEAST HAVE A, A VISUAL AID TO LOOK AT.

THEY'RE NOT OBLIGATED AT THIS POINT.

THIS IS JUST A CONCEPT.

UH, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT THIS COMMISSION'S GONNA ADDRESS IN, IN A, IN A FUTURE, UH, MEETING IS, UH, WHAT WE DO IN EACH STEPS OF THE PLANNING PROCESS.

WE START WITH ZONING, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT.

THIS IS ACTUALLY ACTUALLY SITE PLANNING AND THAT'S THE NEXT PHASE.

SO, UH, TYPICALLY, AND I, AND I LIKE IT AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH, THAT THE, TYPICALLY THE DEVELOPERS WILL BRING US THEIR CONCEPT OF, OF WHAT THEY THINK IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.

UH, BUT IF THIS ZONING WERE TO GET APPROVED, THEY'RE OB THEY'RE, THEY'RE UNDER NO OBLIGATION TO FOLLOW THIS DIAGRAM.

UM, ALTHOUGH IT W WHATEVER THEY END UP WITH WILL, WILL BE, I THINK IS TYPICALLY, USUALLY PRETTY CLOSE.

JOHN, I KNOW LAST TIME WE SPOKE WE HAD SPOKEN ABOUT THE ROAD GOING WEST, BEING ONLY FIRE AND AMBULANCE USE ONLY.

CAN YOU SPEAK ON THAT ONE AND TWO, THIS SITE PLAN NOW HAS A ROAD GOING SOUTH ON THE PLAN THAT THE OTHER ONE DIDN'T.

AND SO CAN YOU SPEAK ON THAT AS WELL? YES, I MEAN, THERE, THERE WILL STILL BE A ROAD.

WE, WE DIDN'T PUT THIS ON THAT ROAD TO THE WEST OR I GUESS THIS WOULD PROBABLY BE SOUTH.

UM, THE ROADS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT GOING TO THE LEFT, UM, DIDN'T PUT IT ON HERE, BUT I BELIEVE WE STILL NEED THAT FOR FIRE ACCESS.

WE WOULD STILL DO THE FIRE GATES AND EVERYTHING AS FAR AS GOING SOUTH, UM, FROM WHAT WE'VE HEARD, THERE'S PLANS FOR FUTURE SINGLE FAMILY HOME DEVELOPMENT DOWN THERE.

SO I BELIEVE PURSUANT TO THE CITY'S CONNECTIVITY ORDINANCE, THEY'RE GONNA REQUIRE US TO HAVE SOME KIND OF A STUB OUT THERE.

SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE DID HERE ON THIS.

AND WELL, WHEN WE COME IN WITH THE PLAT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO WHATEVER THE CITY TELLS US.

YEAH, AND I SEE TO THE SOUTH AS WELL.

I MEAN MORE HOUSES EVENTUALLY BEING THERE ANYWAY.

UM, OKAY.

THANK YOU SIR.

MM-HMM, ANOTHER QUESTION JUST FOR CLARIFICATION.

THE, WHAT YOU HAVE LABELED AS A DETENTION POND THAT'S ALREADY A POND OR SOME SORT OF, THAT'S BASICALLY A WATER TANK, SIR? YES.

UH, AND, AND THAT WAS FOR THE, THE POLO HORSES AND, AND ALL THAT BUSINESS IS, IS THAT STILL REQUIRED? IS IT PROTECTED? IS IT A WET, IS IT A WETLAND AREA? IS IS IT, IS IT ANYTHING? I DON'T BELIEVE IT, IT'S PROTECTED AS YOU CAN SEE, OUR SITE PLAN SHOWS THE FLOODPLAIN AND IT SHOWS SOME LOTS IN THE FLOOD PLAIN AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE, THE GRADING.

THE PLAN IS TO AMEND THE FLOODPLAIN MAPS A LITTLE BIT TO GET THOSE LOTS OUT.

UM, WE CAN CERTAINLY, IT IT'S, IT'S JUST A WATER TANK.

IT'S, IT'S NOT A, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD, WOULD YOU CALL IT A STOCK TANK? WAS IT STOCK TANK? YES, A STOCK TANK.

IT WAS FILLED JUST BY RAIN AND RUNOFF? I BELIEVE SO, YES SIR.

AND SO THE GOAL IS, YOU KNOW, WE GOTTA HAVE SOME WATER DETENTION.

I MEAN, ENGINEERS ARE PRETTY CREATIVE.

IF, IF IT'S AN ISSUE WITH BIRDS AND THE FLIGHT PATH, WE CAN CERTAINLY WORK OUT SOMETHING.

I MEAN, IN STONE OAK IN SAN ANTONIO, THEY DO UNDERGROUND UH, DETENTION FACILITY.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF OPTIONS THERE.

IT IS THE LOW POINT OF THE PROPERTY, SO THAT'S KIND OF WHY IT, IT ALL KIND OF SHEDS DOWN INTO THAT AND THEN INTO THE CREEK.

ANYONE ELSE? UM, DAISY, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE, UM, ON ON SLIDE NUMBER NINE, UM, YOU, YOU, YOU TALK ABOUT CONFLICTS AMONG LAND USES, I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT THAT IS.

SO, SORRY.

SO THAT'S REFERRING JUST TO THE AZ TWO AND UM, WHAT THE J-B-S-A-J-L UM, DESIRES FOR THINGS WITHIN THE BASH ZONE AND THE AZ TWO.

BY RIGHT, THEY CAN DEVELOP WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR R SIX RIGHT NOW AS R TWO.

AND SLIDE NUMBER 14 AND I YOU PUT THAT UP.

I HAD, I WROTE THAT DOWN.

WHAT AM I LOOKING AT HERE? UM, SO YOU END UP SAYING THE PROPOSED REZONE TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, UH, FURTHER EXACERBATES THE PROVISION OF THE, THE J LS TWO UNITS PER ACRE.

UM, BUT, BUT THE R UM, THE R SIX IS OUTSIDE THE A PZ, SO MM-HMM.

CAN YOU, YEAH, SO THE THOUGHT BEHIND THAT WAS ESSENTIALLY IF THEY DON'T WANNA TOUCH THE APZ TWO, THEY CAN DEVELOP IT BY RIGHT AS R TWO AND

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UM, BUT WE'RE LOOKING ALSO AS A BIGGER PICTURE AND THEM ASKING FOR R SIX, WHICH IS A HIGHER DENSITY, IS GONNA ESSENTIALLY EXACERBATE THE TWO UNITS PER ACRE THAT THE JLU IS ESSENTIALLY REQUESTING FROM THE REMAINING PORTION OF THE PROPERTY THAT IS NOT PART OF THIS REZONE.

UM, WE KIND OF LOOKED AT IT, UM, IN THE WAY THAT, LET'S SAY THE PDD, HOW THEY KIND OF REMEDIED THE A PZ DEVELOPMENT BY SAYING, OKAY, UM, JBSA WE'RE NOT GONNA DEVELOP THERE, WE'RE ONLY GONNA HAVE FIRE ACCESS ON THAT ROAD AND WE'RE GONNA LEAVE IT UNDISTURBED, BUT WE'RE GONNA WORK WITH YOU, YOU KNOW, TO LOOK AT THE DENSITY WITHIN THE OTHER PORTION THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE APZ TWO.

AND HERE WE KIND OF JUST SEE AS, OKAY, YOU'RE GONNA DEVELOP WITHIN THE APZ TWO, BUT ALSO YOU'RE GONNA ASK FOR A HIGHER DENSITY, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, GONNA MAKE THE SITUATION WORSE INSTEAD OF BEING LIKE, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA DOWN ZONE A PORTION AND YOU KNOW, MAYBE ASK FOR R SIX IN A DIFFERENT PORTION.

OKAY, WELL I'M SORRY, I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND BECAUSE THE, THE R SIX IS NOT IN THE A PZ, SO I'M, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW IT MAKES THE SITUATION WORSE.

LEMME, LEMME TRY THIS COUNCILMAN.

AND I THINK WHAT DAISY WAS, WAS TRYING TO ARTICULATE IS, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS ON THIS IS THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE RECOMMENDATION ON THE PRIOR ZONING CASE AND THIS ONE, RIGHT? SO IT'S FAIR TO SAY, WELL THE LAST RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF WAS APPROVAL FOR A MULTIFAMILY.

WHY THEN ON JUST A DOWN ZONING TO SMALLER SINGLE FAMILY, WOULD THERE BE AN ISSUE? I THINK WHAT DAISY WAS TRYING TO ARTICULATE IS THAT THE PRIOR ZONING CASE, THE PDD, WHAT IT ESSENTIALLY DID IS IT, IT DIDN'T ALLOW DEVELOPMENT IN CONFLICT WITH THE JWS IN THE A PZ.

SO THERE WAS A BIT OF A TRADE OFF.

GOTCHA.

SO THE ANSWER WAS ON THE PRIOR CASE, WE GET COMPLIANCE IN THE A PZ TRADE OFF FOR THAT IS A SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER DENSITY OUTSIDE THE A PZ.

IN THIS CASE, WHAT WE'VE GOT, AND I THINK IT WAS TO EXPLAIN THAT HISTORY IS THE APPLICANT AND CERTAINLY IT'S THEIR RIGHT IS NOT REZONING THE PARDON THE A PZ.

AND SO THE ASSUMPTION IS THAT'S GONNA DEVELOP AS R TWO AND IT'S GONNA STAY THAT WAY.

AND THAT'S HOW IT'S, IT'S GOING TO DEVELOPS NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE JL, BUT AGAIN, YOU'VE GOT OTHER AREAS IN THE APZ TWO AND OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT AREN'T IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE J LS.

BUT THEN IT BEGS THE QUESTION FROM STAFF, IF IT DOESN'T BRING THIS AREA MORE INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE J LS, THEN WE REVERT BACK AND WE LOOK AT THE GENERAL COMP PLAN.

AND THE QUESTION THERE THEN IS, WELL IS IS THE R TWO OR R SIX MORE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE COMP PLAN? WE HEARD PREVIOUSLY FROM A LOT OF RESIDENTS ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY EXPERIENCED SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC ISSUES ON SAVANNAH DRIVE, THEIR CHALLENGES IN TERMS OF MITIGATING SOME OF THOSE, PARTICULARLY UP AT, UM, SUREZ PARKWAY WITH THE SCHOOL, WITH THE SCHOOL ZONE, SOME OF THE LIMITATIONS THERE.

AND SO REALLY WHEN STAFF LOOKS AT IT WITHOUT THAT FACTOR THAT SAYS WE'RE BRINGING THE A PZ MORE INTO COMPLIANCE AND WE LOOK AT THE REST OF IT, IT, THERE'S NOT REALLY THE, WE FEEL LIKE THE CURRENT ZONING IS MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE COMP PLAN FOR ALL OF THE VARIOUS FACTORS, REDUCTION IN TRAFFIC LIMITING DENSITY GENERALLY IN THE AREA.

BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, WHILE WE HAVE THE REGULATION, PARTICULARLY TO THE JAILERS, THAT'S A HYPOTHETICAL LINE DRAWN BASED ON SOME STUDIES, BUT WHEN PLANES HAVE ISSUES, THEY DO THE THINGS THAT THAT SORT OF THEY DO.

AND SO AGAIN, I THINK FUNDAMENTALLY STAFF LOOKS AT THE APPLICANTS CERTAINLY HAS THE RIGHT TO DEVELOP THE WHOLE THING AS R TWO AND THEY COME UP WITH THE PLAT, WE WOULD GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, THEY MEET THE REQUIREMENTS, WE WOULD APPROVE IT.

BUT WITH THE ZONING CASE, AGAIN, STAFF'S POSITION IS THE CURRENT ZONING.

R TWO, THE PART THAT'S BEING REZONED IS MORE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE COMP PLAN BASED ON ALL OF THOSE FACTORS THAN IS THE PROPOSED REZONING.

THAT'S HOW WE WEIGHED IT THE WAY WE DID.

I THINK THAT, SO I THINK WHAT DAISY WAS TRYING TO DO IS ARTICULATE THIS QUESTION OF WHAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE BEFORE AND WHAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE NOW.

YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE.

IT DOES.

LIKE THIS, IT CAN BE A COUPLE DIFFERENT REASONS.

THANK YOU BRIAN.

UM, AND AS FAR AS THAT POND, UM, WHEN, WHEN I LOOK AT THE AERIAL, IF, IF YOU LOOK AT THE DRAWING HERE, IT'S, IT'S REALLY JUST THAT, UM, RIGHT HAND HALF OF, OF THE BLUE AREA THAT'S, THAT'S THE CURRENT STOCK POND, I THINK.

UM, NOT, NOT THAT THE CURRENT STOCK POND IS, IS NOT AS BIG AS, IN OTHER WORDS, THIS DETENTION POND IS BIGGER THAN THE CURRENT STOCK POND.

UM, JUST TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.

SO YEAH, AND, AND MAYBE TO TOUCH ON THAT, AND CERTAINLY NOT TO TO DISAGREE WITH THE APPLICANT SORT OF THE REASONS FOR THIS, BUT YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY WHEN YOU HAVE THINGS

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ONE IS THERE'S THIS DETENTION REQUIREMENT.

TYPICALLY WHAT WE SEE IN SHIRTS ARE DRY DETENTION PONDS, NOT WET DETENTION PONDS.

PART OF THAT IS THE MAINTENANCE COST ASSOCIATED PART OF IT IS THE JL AND, AND THE BIRD MITIGATION.

UH, PART OF IT THOUGH IS AGAIN, PARTICULARLY IF IT'S FED SOLELY THROUGH RUNOFF FROM RAIN, THERE'S NOT A SPRING FEEDING IT.

WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE IN JULY? RIGHT? AND, AND YOU THINK, WELL, IT JUST DRIES UP.

BUT THE QUESTION IS WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE TOWARD THE END OF OCTOBER? OR WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE IN MAY, SOME OF OUR RAINIEST MONTHS WHEN IT'S GOT SOME WATER IN IT, BUT NOT A WHOLE LOT OF WATER IN IT.

NOW I SAY ALL OF THAT TO SAY IT, IT'S A ZONING CASE.

THERE'S NOTHING TO SAY THEY WILL DO THAT, WON'T DO THAT.

WE'LL APPLY THE REGULATIONS.

UM, KEEP IN MIND THAT IN THIS CASE THEY ARE ADJACENT TO DEETS CREEK.

WE'VE GENERALLY SEEN FOLKS WHO COME IN ADJACENT TO DEETS CREEK, UH, APPLY FOR THAT SORT OF PEAK ON PEAK OR COINCIDENTAL PEAK AND SAYING THAT THROUGH AN ENGINEERING STUDY, ACTUALLY DETAINING THAT WATER AND HOLDING IT, UH, EXACERBATES THE SITUATION, YOU KNOW, TO SOME DEGREE BECAUSE YOU'VE HELD THAT WATER, YOU'LL LET WATER FROM UPSTREAM COME DOWN AND NOW YOU START RELEASING AND ADDING IT AS OPPOSED TO YOU GET IT IN AND GET IT OUT.

IF THAT KINDA MAKES SENSE.

AGAIN, I'M NOT SURE IF THERE ARE ALSO ISSUES WITH CUT AND FILL AND GRADING AND NEEDING SOIL TO LEVEL OUT THE PROPERTY, UH, THAT, THAT PROMPTED THAT, UM, THAT PERHAPS BRINGING IN DIRT, UH, FROM NEARBY MAY, MAY CAUSE THAT NOT TO BE NECESSARY.

BUT AGAIN, THAT'S NOT REALLY PART OF THE ZONING PER SE.

AND AGAIN, I THINK YOU DID A GOOD JOB ARTICULATING THIS IS WHAT THEY'VE SHOWN.

WE APPRECIATE IT, BUT THAT CAN CHANGE SIGNIFICANTLY, CAN GO AWAY, IT CAN GET BIGGER, IT CAN GET SMALLER.

NONE OF WHAT WE DO TONIGHT OR THROUGH THE ZONING CAN HOLD THEM TO THAT.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU BRIAN.

UM, AND THEN THE APPLICANT, UH, BECAUSE I REMEMBER DOING, DOING, LOOKING AT THIS MYSELF, UH, UH, THE LAST DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION WE HAD FOR THIS PROPERTY, UM, THAT WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT LOWER DENSITY, UM, BUT RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET WHERE YOU FOLKS LIVE IS PRETTY CLOSE TO R SIX.

UM, AND R TWO LOT IS 70 FEET WIDE, AND OUR SIX LOT IS 60.

WE'RE TALKING 10 FEET.

THEY'RE BOTH THE 120 FEET DEEP.

AND YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO ON UP THE HILL AND DOWN START DOWN THE OTHER SIDE, YOU'LL FIND MY HOUSE IN SAVANNAH SQUARE.

UH, I THINK IT'S AN R SIX OR AN R SEVEN.

UM, AND THEN I THINK I GOT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION.

WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT MAYBE THE DIFFERENCES IS, IS 12 MORE LOTS R SIX VERSUS R.

SO, YOU KNOW, AND, AND YOU KNOW, LAST MONTH WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT R FOUR ON, UM, ECKERD ROAD, WHICH IS A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S BARELY WIDE ENOUGH TO PUT A CENTER LINE DOWN.

AND IN FACT, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT HAS A CENTER LINE DOWN THE MIDDLE OF IT.

AND HERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SAVANNAH DRIVE, WHICH IS A GORGEOUS, I DON'T KNOW, 60, 70 FOOT WIDE.

UM, DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW, IS IT A COLLECTOR? IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY NOT AN ARTERIAL BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A COLLECTOR.

AND, UM, YES, I'VE, I'VE, I I TRAVEL THAT PART OF SAVANNAH DRIVE OCCASIONALLY, NOT VERY OFTEN, AND I HAVE DONE IT DURING SCHOOL PICKUP.

AND SO YES, I SEE THAT LINE OF CARS DOWN THE HILL.

UM, I'VE NOT NEVER SEEN HIM QUITE AS FAR AS GOING AROUND THE BEND, BUT I, I CAN SEE WHERE THAT'S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE.

UH, THAT WE DON'T GET WITH STRAIGHT ZONING.

UM, AND THEN THE OTHER ISSUE IS, IS, IS, UH, FOR ME IS NOT GETTING ONTO 1518 IS WHEN YOU GET TO 15, 18 AND 35 AND THE TRAFFIC'S BACKED UP, YOU KNOW? UM, YES.

UM, A A AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW THAT A DOZEN LOTS ARE GONNA MAKE A DIFFERENCE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

I, I HAVE A FEELING THAT THEY CAME IN AND WANTED TO DO R TWO AND, AND JUST, WELL SEE, THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT.

THEY WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE TO ASK.

THEY COULD JUST DO IT.

AND YOU KNOW, THE NEXT THING YOU FOLKS SEE ARE THE BULLDOZERS AND THE, AND THE LAND GRADERS.

AND, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, UM, I KIND OF LIKED PDDS BECAUSE WE COULD, UM, WE COULD ASK FOR SOME THINGS.

UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE TRADE OFFS WHERE WE'D GIVE THEM SOME THINGS, THEY'D GIVE US SOME THINGS,

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SO, UM, YEAH.

, GO AHEAD.

RICHARD.

UH, COMMENT, MAYBE A QUESTION FROM MR. PATRICK AGAIN.

THE, I I BELIEVE THAT POND OVER THERE, YOU MENTIONED THIS, THIS WAS POLO HORSES WERE RAISED THERE FOR YEARS.

YEAH, THE POND THERE, I BELIEVE IS FED BY A SHALLOW WELL, SO IT'S NOT A STOCK TANK FOR RUNOFF, IT'S NOT A DETENTION FOR RUNOFF.

I, I'M PRETTY SURE IT'S A, WELL, THE SAME ONE THAT PROBABLY FEEDS THE SOCCER FIELDS, SAME AQUIFER LEVEL PLACE, NOT THE SAME WELL, BUT THE SAME AQUIFER.

SO I, I BELIEVE THAT, I MEAN, IF THAT'S THE CASE, IF IF IT'S FED BY A WELL, THEN YOU COULD PROBABLY BULLDOZE IT AND GET RID OF IT.

BUT THAT'S FOR THE ENGINEERS TO LOOK AT.

THE QUESTION FOR BRIAN IS, IS THERE THIS ISSUE OF THE A PZ COMES UP ALL THE TIME, IS THERE SOME PROACTIVE ACTION THAT WE CAN TAKE TO CHANGE THE ZONING IN THE AP PZ TWO TO HALF ACRE LOTS? WELL, YOU, YOU CERTAINLY POTENTIALLY COULD.

I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN, WE COULD FURTHER EXPLORE.

IT ALWAYS COMES UP, IT'S GONNA COME UP AGAIN, RIGHT? YEAH, I MEAN, IT, IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING WE COULD FURTHER EXPLORE.

ONE OF THE THINGS IS, AS STAFF HAS GONE IN AND LOOKED AT THE AREAS OF THE CITY WHERE YOU HAVE THOSE SORT OF CONFLICTS, THERE'S SOME AREAS THAT WE FEEL LIKE THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO MITIGATE IT.

SO AGAIN, REFERENCE WAS MADE TO THE PROPERTY DOWN FURTHER SOUTH, ADJACENT TO THE SOCCER FIELDS.

AGAIN, WHEN YOU DO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, THERE'S PARKLAND DEDICATION REQUIRED.

POTENTIALLY WHAT'S DONE THERE IS PARKLAND DEDICATION DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE SOCCER FIELDS TO SORT OF EXPAND THOSE AS PRACTICE AREAS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

OR PARKING, UM, IN EXCHANGE FOR WHAT WOULD BE THEIR PARKLAND DEDICATION.

SO THERE'RE KIND OF OTHER WAYS THAT YOU HAVE TOOLS TO SORT OF MITIGATE IT, BUT IT REALLY IS A POLICY DISCUSSION ON WHETHER THE CITY DOES CITY INITIATED REZONES AND, AND HOW THAT WOULD WORK.

AND SO AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT IF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HAD AN INTEREST, YOU COULD CERTAINLY AT THE END OF THE MEETING ASK FOR STAFF TO PULL TOGETHER A WORKSHOP ON THAT, TALK ABOUT IT, SEND YOUR THOUGHTS AND YOUR DISCUSSIONS UP TO COUNCIL FOR DIRECTION.

BUT TO DATE, WE'VE NOT, IT'S NOT BEEN SHIRTZ AS PRACTICE TO GO IN AND DO CITY INITIATED REZONES IN THE TIME I'VE BEEN HERE.

THERE'S SORT OF THIS FEELING THAT IF WE GAVE YOU THE ZONING, WE GAVE YOU THE ZONING AND, AND YOU'VE GOT A RIGHT TO DEVELOP.

AND THAT'S WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE WHAT'S STAFFS THE WAY WE'VE LOOKED AT IT.

I MEAN, IF, IF WE WANT TO, IF WE WANT TO PLAY NICE WITH RANDOLPH, UNLIKE OUR NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES, IT, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION WOULD BE TO TAKE SOME KIND OF PROACTIVE ACTION HERE AND, AND DO SOMETHING WITH THE APZ TWO PROPERTY, UH, SET, SET A, A DESIGN PATH FOR A CONNECTOR BETWEEN SAVANNAH AND MASSEY ROAD AND GET MASSEY ROAD FIXED.

AND I THINK IT WOULD, IT WOULD ALLEVIATE A LOT OF THE TROUBLE THAT WE'RE GONNA FACE EVERY TIME A PIECE OF PROPERTY COMES UP IN THIS AREA.

WHAT WE'LL JUST CONTINUE TO BEAT IT UP AND, YOU KNOW, A PZ AND R TWO AND R SIX AND TOO MUCH TRAFFIC, WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO SCHOOL? ALL THIS OTHER KIND OF STUFF.

BUT WHY DON'T WE JUST BE PROACTIVE AND FIX IT? SURE.

AND, AND DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU.

I THINK WE TALK ABOUT THAT A LOT.

ONE OF THESE THINGS IN TERMS OF BEING PROACTIVE IN TERMS OF INSTALLING INFRASTRUCTURE SO THAT WE DON'T THROUGH GO THROUGH THOSE PERIODS, PARTICULARLY WITH, WITH ROADS, UM, AND A LEVEL OF SERVICE.

AND THAT'S WHY AGAIN, STAFF LOOKS AT THE LONG-TERM THOROUGHFARE PLAN AND THE ROAD NETWORK AS IT WILL DEVELOP OUT AS WE ANALYZE SORT OF ZONING CASES.

AND CERTAINLY DON'T, DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT.

AGAIN, WE'VE GOT SOME LIMITATIONS FROM THE STATE ON WHAT WE CAN REQUIRE NOW.

UM, BUT, BUT CERTAINLY IT'S ALWAYS BETTER WHEN PROPERTY OWNERS I THINK WORK TOGETHER.

UH, THEY TEND TO FIND WIN-WIN SITUATIONS AND THEN THE CITY CAN, CAN, UH, HELP FACILITATE THAT.

UM, Y YOU KNOW, AS, AS WELL.

UM, SO YEAH, AGAIN, DON'T, DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU.

AGAIN, IT'S WHY WE CHARGE A ROADWAY IMPACT FEE.

UM, AGAIN, SO PROJECTS THAT COME IN WOULD PAY THAT.

THOSE WOULD BE USED ON SYSTEM ROADWAYS IN THE SERVICE AREA.

I THINK MAIE IS ONE OF THE HIGHEST PRIORITIES IN THIS SERVICE AREA.

AND SO AGAIN, AS DEVELOPMENT COMES IN, WE SAVE THAT MONEY UP.

IT'S USED TO, TO COME IN AND MAKE THOSE EXPANSION ALONG BOND MONEY AND JUST LIKE THAT.

QUESTION FOR EITHER ONE OF YOU, WHOEVER WANTS TO TAKE IT IN THE, IN THE ITEM NUMBER, UH, ITEM NUMBER ONE IN THE NARRATIVE IT SAYS, HOWEVER, WHEN CONSIDERING THE ROADWAY CLASSIFICATION AND CONFLICTS AMONG THE LAND USES, SO ON AND SO FORTH, CONSIDERING WHAT ROADWAY CLASSIFICATION AND CONFLICTS, WHAT EXPAND ON THAT IF YOU COULD.

ON THE LIVE OAK EXTENSION, I THINK WOULD, WOULD HELP A LOT.

YEAH, I AGREE ENTIRELY.

IT'S, IT CERTAINLY WOULD.

AGAIN, AS I SAID, I, I'M NOT SURE, BUT I REC BELIEVE IT'S THE HIGHEST PRIORITY ROAD ON THE ROADWAY IMPACT FEE SYSTEM IN THIS SERVICE AREA.

WE JUST, WE JUST DON'T HAVE AS MUCH DEVELOPING LAND, SO WE DON'T BRING IN AS MUCH ROADWAY IMPACT FEE FUNDS IN THIS AREA AS SOME OF THE OTHERS.

AND ANOTHER

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I'M LOOKING FOR A SEE, UM, I THINK IT'S TOP ONE.

THE LAST OH, ON THE TOP ONE, YEAH.

SO, SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS THIS COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOOD'S DESIGNATION.

AND THE POINT OF THAT IS THIS BREADTH OF USES AND DEVELOPMENT TYPES.

SO NOT ALL ONE SIZE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOT.

WE WANT A MIX OF SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOTS, SOME BIGGER, SOME SMALLER THAT GO IN WITH THAT.

UM, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO SAY WITH THAT, UM, IS THAT IT'S CHARACTERIZED BY A MIX OF HOUSING TYPES SUCH AS COMMERCIAL, BUT WITH THAT CONSIDERATION OF THE ROADWAY CLASSIFICATION.

AND SO AGAIN, A HIGH INTENSITY COMMERCIAL ON A COLLECTOR OR RESIDENTIAL WOULD NOT BE SOMETHING WE WOULD TYPICALLY PUT IN.

WHEREAS IF IT'S ADJACENT TO AN ARTERIAL, THAT WOULD BE A FACTOR THAT WOULD WARRANT HIGHER INTENSITY COMMERCIAL, EVEN THOUGH IT'S ALL GOT THAT, THAT COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOOD LAND USE DESIGNATION.

I THINK THAT'S THE INTENT OF THAT IS TO SAY IT'S, IT'S, THERE ARE FACTORS YOU NEED TO LOOK AT AREA SPECIFIC AS TO WHAT'S MOST APPROPRIATE, EVEN WITHIN THIS BROAD CATEGORY OF COMPLETE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD LAND USE DESIGNATION.

AND SO AT PRIMARY ON THAT IS THE ROAD, AGAIN, IF YOU'RE ADJACENT TO A RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR, YOU WOULD NOT PUT AS INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL AS YOU WOULD IF IT'S ADJACENT TO AN ARTERIAL.

SO AGAIN, THE WHOLE GAS STATION CONVENIENCE STORE THAT WAS REFERENCED AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, AND AGAIN, YOU, YOU MIGHT WANT IT NEXT TO THE ARTERIAL, YOU WOULDN'T NECESSARILY WANT IT TO THE RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR.

AND SO THOSE ARE THE FACTORS THAT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT AS WELL AS UNDUE CONCENTRATION OR DIFFUSION OF POPULATION WHEN CONSIDERING THE APPROPRIATE, UH, HOUSING DENSITY.

'CAUSE AGAIN, THAT'S THE IDEA OF THAT, THAT COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S NOT A UNIFORM.

THE IDEA IS VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES, VARIETY OF USES.

SO, SO WE'RE, YOU'RE BASICALLY SAYING THAT THE, THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST TO OUR SIX IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH SAVANNAH? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING? SO, SO I THINK WHAT STAFF IS SAYING IS THAT THE CURRENT ZONING IS MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE COMP PLAN R TWO AND WITH THOSE VARIOUS FACTORS, OR I'M SORRY THAT THE R TWO IS MORE COMPATIBLE THAN THE R SIX, RIGHT? THOSE ARE THE JUDGMENT CALLS YOU MAKE BECAUSE WHAT THE COMP PLAN DOESN'T SAY IS EVERY USE DESCRIBED IN COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOODS IS APPROPRIATE EVERYWHERE YOU LOOK UP AND YOU'VE GOT ONE LOT SIZE ACROSS THE CITY OR, OR AREAS OF COMMERCIAL THAT ARE INAPPROPRIATE IN A PARTICULAR AREA.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT STAFF IS SAYING IS THAT BASED ON THE THINGS THAT WE'VE HEARD AND THE FACTORS, SOME OF THE LIMITATIONS ON, UM, CHALLENGES WITH REGARD TO SAVANNAH AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR POSITION IS THAT THE, THE CURRENT ZONING IS MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE COMP PLAN.

AND AGAIN, IF YOU'D SAY, WELL, WHAT HAPPENED ON THE LAST CASE? I GO BACK TO THE POINT WE TRIED TO KIND OF COVER, DAISY TRIED TO COVER, WHICH IS THE LAST CASE CLEARLY WAS TRYING TO TAKE THIS AREA THAT WAS NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE JWS AND THE COMP PLAN AND BRING IT INTO COMPLIANCE.

THIS DOESN'T HAVE THAT ELEMENT SORT OF TO OFFSET THOSE OTHER FACTORS THAT HELP.

UM, COULD YOU, UM, MAYBE WHATEVER THE SLIDE WHERE THE, WHERE WE SEE YOU A LITTLE BIT BETTER, THE CITY LIMITS, BECAUSE I WANNA MAKE, UM, THAT ONE WILL PROBABLY WORK.

THE RED LINE IS THE CITY LIMITS.

THE LAND USE PLAN IS IN OUR ADJACENT COMMUNITIES OR ETJ.

BECAUSE AGAIN, MY, MY CONCERN WAS WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT 20 SOME ACRES.

UH, I DON'T REMEMBER HOW BIG THAT, THAT CHUNK IS THERE.

THAT'S IN UM, UM, AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS, THE A, THE A PZ IS THE BLUE LINE, CORRECT? CORRECT.

BECAUSE, BECAUSE, UM, I KNOW WE WANT TO PLAY NICE AND, AND WE ARE, WE ARE WORKING VERY WELL WITH, WITH RANDOLPH AND I DON'T WANT TO SEE, I DON'T WANT TO CAUSE PROBLEMS WITH RANDOLPH, BUT AGAIN, AS I SAID A COUPLE TIMES BEFORE, APPARENTLY SELMA, UC DON'T CARE.

WELL, I, OKAY, SO HERE WE ARE BUSTING OUR, OUR BUTTS TRYING TO PROTECT THESE LITTLE BITTY AREAS WHEN ALL AROUND THEM, THE OTHER CITIES ARE JUST BUILDING HOUSES.

YOU KNOW, I, I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THE BEST DECISION FOR OUR CITY AND THAT DECISION IS BASED ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WHAT IT LAYS OUT.

WE DON'T WANT TO BE, UM, OBLIVIOUS TO WHAT

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UM, BUT AGAIN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE ALL MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON OUR OWN COMP PLANS THAT WE FEEL ARE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF OUR COMMUNITIES.

SO, UM, WHAT, WHAT YOU WERE JUST SAYING BEFORE, UM, ABOUT THE COMP PLAN AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE, I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF THIS.

WE, WE, WE JUST TOOK THIS PRINT PAINTBRUSH AND PAINTED SO MUCH OF THE CITY WITH COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, BUT I THINK WHAT I GOT OUT OF, OUT OF YOUR DISCUSSION WAS WE'VE ALREADY GOT ENOUGH R SIX IN THE AREA, WE NEED SOME R TWO.

THAT'S PART OF IT.

AND THE FACT THAT, AGAIN, WE HAVE SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE BROUGHT UP ABOUT COMPATIBILITY USES, ABOUT EXCESS AND CIRCULATION AGAIN, UM, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT, AGAIN, ON BALANCE, WE THINK THE CURRENT ZONING IS MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE COMP PLAN.

WELL, AGAIN, BRIAN, I, IT'S, IT'S, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT WE DO, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I I GOT A LITTLE HEATED LAST MONTH WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS VERY SAME THING WE BOTH DID.

YES, SIR.

IS, UM, THE, THE WHOLE IDEA OF ACCESS AND TRAFFIC, UM, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT, IT, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT WE END UP PUTTING ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.

IT'S GONNA ADD TRAFFIC TO SAVANNAH DRIVE.

THAT'S CORRECT.

IT'S STAFF ACKNOWLEDGED THAT, I MEAN, THERE'S JUST, THERE'S JUST NO WAY AROUND IT.

I, IDEALLY WE, WE TAKE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'D MAKE THIS, UH, WHAT'S OUR BIG DEVELOPMENT? R ONE IS ARE THOSE THE BIG LOTS, THE ESTATE OR, OR WE'D GO WITH STATE LOTS, YOU KNOW.

UM, YEAH.

I, I, AND, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE TWO ISSUES, IF I MAY, WITH REGARD TO ROAD ACCESS.

ONE IS THIS, WHAT IS THE CURRENT STATE OF ROADS RELATIVE TO, UH, THE CITY'S THOROUGHFARE PLAN? AND, AND HOW ARE THEY TO BE BUILT OUT TO ACCOMMODATE THE TRAFFIC? WHAT IS OUR ABILITY TO REQUIRE AND PLAN FOR ADDITIONAL CONNECTIVITY AND POINTS OF ACCESS? AND AGAIN, AS WE KNOW, THE STATE LIMITED OUR ABILITY TO DO THAT, UH, THIS LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION.

SO, SO THERE'S KIND OF THIS FUTURE LOOK THAT WE TAKE A LOOK AT TO SEE IS IT COMPATIBLE? BUT THEN WE ALSO LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH PRESENTLY THAT ISN'T GOING TO CHANGE.

UM, NOW AGAIN, THEY WOULD COME IN WITH THE TIA, WE TAKE A LOOK AT IT, WE SEE WHAT MITIGATION MEASURES WE ARE, UM, BUT WE'VE KIND OF HAD SOME OF THAT LOOK AT IT.

WE UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE LIMITATIONS ALREADY WITH SAVANNAH BASED ON THAT IN TERMS OF, AGAIN, THE VISIBILITY ISSUES ARE NOT IDEAL.

THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL UP AT THE CORNER, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT, IS NOT, IS NOT IDEAL.

IT DOESN'T SORT OF HELP THE SITUATION.

SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WEIGHED INTO STAFF'S DECISION.

SO I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU AND I ARE THAT DIFFERENT.

I THINK MAYBE IT'S WHAT DO WE SORT OF DO ABOUT IT AND HOW DO WE IMPROVE RIGHTS QUICK, WHEREAS WHERE WE STRUGGLE, WELL, I, I'LL BE VERY HONEST WITH YOU, BRIAN.

I I, I'M GETTING A LITTLE WORN OUT ON, ON THIS WHOLE THING ABOUT NOBODY WANTS US TO PUT ANYTHING ANYWHERE.

EVERY TIME A DEVELOPER COMES IN HERE AND TRIES TO DO ANYTHING, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT IT IS.

NOBODY WANTS IT.

AND YOU KNOW, I, I TOLD A STORY LAST TIME WHEN, WHEN I MOVED INTO MY HOUSE IN, IN, IN THE SUMMER OF 1989, SAVANNAH DRIVE WAS A DEAD END AFTER DAVENPORT.

THAT WAS IT.

AND THEN THEY PUSHED IT THROUGH AND I SAW MORE TRAFFIC, AND THEN THEY BUILT WILDER AND I SAW MORE TRAFFIC, AND THEN THEY BUILT PASCO AND I SAW MORE TRAFFIC.

DO YOU THINK I WAS HAPPY ABOUT THAT? NO, NOT AT ALL.

OTHERWISE, NOBODY BUILDS ANYTHING.

BUT WAS IT, YOU KNOW, WOULD YOU, HOW, HOW CAN YOU KNOW WHY WAS IT FAIR FOR ME TO HAVE A HOUSE? BUT THE, THE, BUT THE PEOPLE IN THE IN CAROLINA CROSSING COULDN'T HAVE THEIR HOUSE EVEN THOUGH IT INCREASED TRAFFIC.

AGREE ENTIRELY.

AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, YOU KNOW, WE PROPERTY IN THE CITY, WE HAVE TO ZONE, AND THOSE HAVE TO HAVE USES THAT ARE ALLOWED, IN THIS CASE, THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED R TWO, THEY CAN DEVELOP SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ON IT.

I UNDERSTAND ONE ARGUMENT WOULD BE, WELL, THERE'S NOT MUCH DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE NUMBER OF LOTS ARE GONNA GET WITH R TWO AND R SIX.

SO THEN THAT LEAVES YOU THE QUESTION OF IF THERE'S NOT MUCH DIFFERENCE, WHICH WAY DO YOU GO WITH IT? RIGHT.

YOU, THERE'S NOT MUCH DIFFERENCE, JUST LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS.

OR THERE'S NOT MUCH DIFFERENCE.

SO GIVE HIM NO, YOU'RE RIGHT.

AND AND I, AND I HATE TO SAY IT, BUT IT'S, IT, IT'S, IT'S IT'S DOLLARS.

YOU KNOW, HE CAN, HE CAN BUILD MORE HOUSES THAN HE CAN IF HE HAS TO JUST GO ALL OR TWO.

AND, AND, AND AGAIN, I THINK STAFF ACKNOWLEDGES SOME OF THE REALITIES THAT DEVELOPMENT FACES, RIGHT? I MEAN, AGAIN, WHEN WE LOOK BACK, THE PEOPLE WHO BUILD OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND HOUSES, WE CONSIDER 'EM OUR FOUNDING FATHERS AND TALK ABOUT THE GREAT THINGS THEY DID.

AND THAT HAS TO BE ECONOMICALLY VIABLE.

PEOPLE CAN'T LIVE HERE.

THEY CAN'T OPEN BUSINESSES, THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A REALITY TO THAT.

ALRIGHT, THANKS.

ANYBODY HAVE

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ANYTHING ELSE? TIRED OF LISTENING? RIGHT? OKAY.

UM, THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL AND WE CAN RECOMMEND APPROVAL, WE CAN RECOMMEND DENIAL, WE CAN RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS.

SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DENY.

I HAVE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND DENIAL.

DO I HAVE A SECOND ANYBODY? AND UNFORTUNATELY I CANNOT, I CANNOT SECOND A MOTION.

THANK YOU, RICHARD.

I CAN, I CAN MAKE MOTIONS, BUT FOR SOME REASON I CAN'T SECOND THEM.

ALRIGHT, SO WE HAVE A, UM, A MOTION TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF PLZC 2 2 4 0 2 5 6 FROM COMMISSIONER MCMASTER WITH A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER, BRO.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? ALRIGHT, JUST SO YOU UNDERSTAND, AN I VOTE IS FOR DENIAL, SO PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTES.

I SEE SIX VOTES YOU PLEASE.

UH, PUBLIC.

WELL, THE, THE, THE PROBLEM IS I SEE THE VOTES.

OKAY, WE HAVE, UH, TWO IN FAVOR.

NONE OPPOSED THAT MOTION FAILS.

WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE PLZC? RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PLZC 20 24 0 2 5 6.

SO MOVED.

SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE OR RECOMMEND APPROVAL FROM COMMISSIONER BRO AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER GOLD.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? OOP.

YEAH, I BETTER ERASE THAT ONE, SHOULDN'T I? THERE WE GO.

IN THIS CASE, AN I VOTE IS TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL.

PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTES.

I HAVE SIX VOTES.

CAN YOU PUBLISH THAT VOTE PLEASE.

ALRIGHT, I HAVE, UH, FOUR AYES AND TWO OPPOSED.

THAT MOTION PASSES.

I WILL GO FORWARD AS A RECOMMEND DENIAL TO CITY COUNCIL.

I MEAN, I'M SORRY, APPROVAL.

APPROVAL.

PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE.

PROPERTY IDENTIFICATION NUMBERS 3 1 0 0 4 8 AND 1 1 9 0 1 3 2.

UM, FOR THOSE OF YOU IN THE AUDIENCE, UH, THIS IS STEP ONE.

UH, THIS IS JUST A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.

THE FINAL, THE FINAL, UH, DECISION IS THEIRS.

UH, SO IT WILL BE ON, UH, THEIR AGENDA AGAIN AS A PUBLIC HEARING AND YOU'LL HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY.

UH, THEY WILL ALSO, UH, IN ALL LIKELIHOOD WATCH THE, THE VIDEO RECORDING OF THIS MEETING AND HEAR YOUR COMMENTS IN OUR DISCUSSION.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, MOVING ON.

ITEM FIVE

[B. PLZC20240260 – Hold a public hearing and make a recommendation on a request to rezone approximately 85 acres of land, from Agricultural District (AD) to approximately 30 acres as Single-Family Residential District (R-6) and approximately 55 acres as Single-Family Residential District (R-2), generally located 2,000 feet North of the intersection of Weir Road and Trainer Hale Road, more specifically known as Bexar County Property Identification Numbers 310048 and 1190132, City of Schertz, Bexar County, Texas.]

B-P-L-Z-C 2 2 4 0 2 6.

HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON A REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 85 ACRES OF LAND FROM AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT TO APPROXIMATELY 30 ACRES.

A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT R SIX AND APPROXIMATELY 55 ACRES OF SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT R TWO.

GENERALLY LOCATED 2000 FEET NORTH OF THE INTERSECTION OF WEIR ROAD AND TRAINER HALE ROAD, MORE SPECIFICALLY KNOWN AS BEXAR COUNTY.

CITY OF CHARLOTTES BEAR COUNTY, TEXAS, SORRY, , PLCC 2 2 4 0 2 6 0.

A PROPOSED

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ZONE CHANGE TO R TWO AND R SIX ALONG REAR ROAD DAISY MARQUEZ PLANNER.

HERE IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY 85 ACRES IN TOTAL IT'S UNDEVELOPED UNPLED AND IS BEAR ID 3 1 0 0 4 8 AND 1 1 9 0 1 3 2.

IT IS LOCATED ALONG WE ROAD AND THIS IS TRAINER HALE.

AND FURTHER DOWN SOUTH IS IH 10.

SO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CUR PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT.

IT WAS PART OF THOSE RECENT ANNEXATIONS.

IT IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED IT'S AGRICULTURAL LAND TO THE NORTH.

WE HAVE A LARGE PARCEL OF LAND ZONE PRE-DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AND IS ALSO UNDEVELOPED TO THE SOUTH.

WE HAVE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT, WHICH IS UNDEVELOPED AGRICULTURE TO THE EAST.

WE HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH IS REAR ROAD AND IT IS THE PRINCIPAL ARTERIAL.

AND THEN TO THE WEST WE HAVE, UM, A PARCEL ZONE PRE-DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AND IT'S UNDEVELOPED AGRICULTURE WITH PROBABLY A HOME.

AND THEN, UH, FURTHER TO THE WEST WE HAVE STERLING GROVE PDD THAT IS UNDEVELOPED.

UM, 11 PUBLIC NOTICES WERE SENT OUT ON UH, NOVEMBER 19TH, 2024.

AND AS OF NOVEMBER 27TH, WE RECEIVED THREE IN FAVOR, ZERO NEUTRAL AND ONE IN OPPOSITION.

AND A PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE WILL BE PUBLISHED IN THE SAN ANTONIO EXPRESS PRIOR TO CITY COUNCIL.

AND TWO SIGNS WERE PLACED ALONG WHEEL ROAD ON THE PROPERTIES BY THE APPLICANT.

SO THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING APPROXIMATELY 30 ACRES IS R SIX AND APPROXIMATELY 45 ACRES IS R TWO FOR A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ON AGAIN A TOTAL OF 85 ACRES AND UDC SECTION 21 5 11 D CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL.

ONE, WHETHER THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE IMPLEMENTS THE POLICIES OF THE ADOPTED COMPREHENSIVE LAND PLAN OR ANY OTHER APPLICABLE ADOPTED PLAN.

SO THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE DOES IMPLEMENT THE POLICIES OF THE ADOPTED COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS IDENTIFIED AS COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN.

FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

AND AGAIN, COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOOD IS DESCRIBED AS GENERAL AREAS CHARACTERIZED BY A MIXTURE OF HOUSING OPTIONS WITH SUPPORTING LAND USES WHILE CONSIDERING ROADWAY CLASSIFICATION.

CONFLICTS AMONG LAND USES AND UNDUE CONCENTRATION OR DIFFUSION OF POPULATION WHEN CONSIDERING APPROPRIATENESS OF HOUSING DENSITY AND COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY.

AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING R SIX AND R TWO WITHIN THE SAME DEVELOPMENT.

AND THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE OFFERS A MIX OF SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DISTRICTS WITHIN ONE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT AND IS SURROUNDED BY UNDEVELOPED LAND.

TWO, WHETHER THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE PROMOTES A HEALTH SAFETY AND GENERAL WHERE FOR OF THE CITY.

SO AGAIN, AS PART OF PROMOTING HEALTH SAFETY WELFARE, THE CITY SHOULD ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING USES, UTILIZING STANDARDS AND TRANSITIONAL USES TO ALLEVIATE NEGATIVE IMPACTS.

THE PROPOSED SECO FAMILY ZONING ACTS AS A TRANSITIONAL USE TO THE EXISTING UNDEVELOPED AGRICULTURAL LAND.

AND THE CITY OF SHE'S E FIRE EMS AND POLICE DEPARTMENTS HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED OF THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE AND HAVE NOT PROVIDED OBJECTIONS.

AND A PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE WAS ALSO MAILED TO S-C-U-C-I-S-D THREE.

WHETHER THE USE IS PERMITTED BY THE PROPOSED CHANGE WILL BE CONSISTENT AND APPROPRIATE WITH THE EXISTING USES IN THE MEDIA AREA.

SO THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE IS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT R TWO AND SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT R SIX ARE APPROPRIATE FOR DEVELOPMENT IN THE MEDIA AREA.

AND AS PER UDC SECTION 2155, THE MAXIMUM TRACK SIZE THAT CAN BE ZONED R SIX IS 30 ACRES.

UH, THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT R SIX AND SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT R TWO ARE INTENDED FOR DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY HOMES TOGETHER WITH SCHOOLS, CHURCHES, AND PARKS NECESSARY TO CREATE BASIC NEIGHBORHOOD UNITS.

SO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS ADJACENT TO A PORTION OF PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT STERLING GROVE, WHICH IS DESIGNATED FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WITH MINIMUM LOT SIZES OF LOT SIZES OF 6,050 SQUARE FEET AND 7,150 SQUARE FEET AS YOU CAN SEE HERE IN THIS DIMENSIONAL TABLE.

AND THE PROPOSED DON'T CHANGE AT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY TO MINIMUM TO MINIMUM RESIDENTIAL LOT SIZES OF 8,400 SQUARE FEET AND 7200 7200 SQUARE FEET IS CONSISTENT WITH THE STERLING GROVE PD D ALLOWED USES AND PROPOSED RESIDE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

AS SEEN HERE FROM OUR DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS TABLE FROM OUR UDC AND TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH AS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY OF THE LAND IS UNDEVELOPED AND HAS CONTINUING AGRICULTURAL OPERATIONS AND THE PROPOSED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS ARE ALSO APPROPRIATE TRANSITIONAL USES BETWEEN THE CURRENT AGRICULTURAL OPERATIONS AND FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.

FOUR.

WHETHER OTHER FACTORS ARE DEEMED RELEVANT AND IMPORTANT IN THE CONSIDERATION OF THE AMENDMENT.

SO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL HAVE NOT PROVIDED ADDITIONAL CRITERIA FOR THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE.

AND FOR YOUR REFERENCE HERE IS A COMPARISON BETWEEN SOME OF THE DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS BETWEEN AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT, WHAT IS EXISTING NOW ON THAT SUBJECT PROPERTY.

AND THEN WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED IS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT R TWO AND SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT R SIX AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE, UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM AS WELL.

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GOOD EVENING.

PAUL LANDA WITH MTR ENGINEERS HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.

AS STATED, UH, WE'RE PROPOSING A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT COMPOSED OF 60 AND 70 FOOT WIDE LOTS, UH, WHICH IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE LAND USE IN THIS AREA.

AND SO I'M HERE LOOKING FOR SUPPORT AND WILLING TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS Y'ALL HAVE.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, 7:15 PM I'LL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THIS TOPIC? I THINK THIS IS THE ONE THAT, UH, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW WHY I CAN'T REMEMBER HIS NAME.

YEAH, DR.

SHOR THAT HE COMMENTED ON DURING HEARING OF RESIDENCE.

UH, NO ONE ELSE.

IT IS SEVEN 16.

PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.

COMMISSIONERS, OKAY, SO R SIX IS OKAY OUT HERE, BUT NOT OFF SAVANNAH DRIVE , I MEAN THAT, THAT, THAT'S THE OBVIOUS THING I SAW GOING THROUGH HERE.

THAT IT'S OKAY OUT HERE, BUT IT WASN'T OKAY OVER THERE.

UM, KIND OF GIVE ME WHAT YOU GUYS WERE THINKING, WHAT YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS WAS, WHAT OUR THOUGHT PROCESS WAS.

SO RAILROAD IS, UM, A PRINCIPAL ARTERIAL AND WE SAW IT AS APPROPRIATE, ESPECIALLY SINCE THIS AREA IS STILL UNDEVELOPED.

WE SAW IT AS APPROPRIATE AND WE THOUGHT IT WAS COMPATIBLE WITH ADJACENT USES.

IT'S PRE-DEVELOPMENT AT TOP.

THEY'RE STILL USING IT AS AG STERLING GROVE PD DD HASN'T BEEN DEVELOPED YET.

IT'S THE SAME KIND OF, YOU KNOW, UM, ESSENTIALLY LOT SIZES THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.

SO IT WOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT WOULD BE THERE.

BUT THEN TO THE SOUTH AND YOU KNOW, FURTHER OUT, UM, EAST, THERE'S, IT'S STILL AGRICULTURAL.

OKAY, I'LL, I'LL, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN SEVERAL MONTHS SINCE I'VE DRIVEN WHERE ROAD, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT THAT MAY BE AN ARTERIAL AND SAVANNAH MAY ONLY BE A COLLECTOR, BUT SAVANNAH'S A MUCH BETTER STREET THAN WE IS.

ANYWAY, YOU KNOW ME, I'M JUST THROWING ROCKS.

UM, UH, IT'S, UM, JUST, JUST TRYING TO FIGURE THIS WHOLE THING OUT, YOU KNOW? UM, THERE ARE NO RIGHT ANSWERS, JUST BETTER ANSWERS.

WELL, I, I, THAT'S IT.

I'M GUESSING THAT EVENTUALLY WE WOULD GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE HAVE, WHERE, WHERE, WHERE WE'LL SAY NO FR SIX.

SO WE'RE NOT GONNA PROVE ANY, YOU KNOW, UM, I DON'T KNOW.

THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING? GO AHEAD.

RICHARD.

IS IS WE ROAD, CITY OR COUNTY? I THINK IT'S COUNTY.

AND AGAIN, AS BRIAN HAS SAID WITH THE LEGISLATIVE CHANGES, ROAD IMPROVEMENTS HAVE TO COME WITH DEVELOPMENT.

SO IF THIS DOES PASS OR YOU KNOW, IT DEVELOPS WITH UNDER AD IMPROVEMENTS WOULD HAVE TO COME WITH IT.

AND THEN THE GO OVER AGAIN WHAT THE PDD ON THE WEST SIDE IS? WHAT? THAT'S THAT IT'S, IT'S THAT STERLING GROVE PDD THAT WAS, UM, MULTIPLE PARCELS PLACED TOGETHER.

OH, WHERE'S THE SLIDE? ARE THEY PROGRESSING AT ALL OR IS IT KIND OF DEAD? UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANY RECENT APPLICATIONS IN AT THIS TIME FOR PLATING OR ANYTHING FOR THAT STERLING GROVE PDD.

SO THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE, THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST ONE IN THAT AREA.

AHEAD OF THAT ONE.

YES SIR.

AND SEE I WOULD MUCH RATHER, RATHER THAN SEE THIS LINE DRAWN ON HERE AND SAY THIS IS R TWO AND THIS IS OUR SIX, I LIKE THE OPDD DAYS WHEN WE COULD MIX THESE TOGETHER AND YOU TAKE THE BIG LOTS AND THE SMALL LOTS AND YOU MIX 'EM UP.

UM, SO I'M ASSUMING ON OUR MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLAN, WHERE IS DESIGNATED IN ART ON ARTERIAL.

YES SIR.

CORRECT.

IT MAY, IT MAY NOT HAVE THAT STATUS IN TERMS OF, OKAY.

ALL RIGHT, LEMME JUST CLARIFY.

ANYBODY ELSE?

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AND THEN TRAINER HALE WOULD BE CITY AS WELL? YES SIR.

CORRECT.

ALRIGHT, WELL IF NO ONE HAS ANYTHING ELSE, UM, AGAIN, THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL AND THE SAME THREE OPTIONS, WE CAN RECOMMEND APPROVAL, DENIAL OR APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS.

SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? YEAH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE PLZC 2 0 2.

402 6 SECOND.

OKAY, THAT WAS, UH, WALLACE AND CARONE? CORRECT.

20 24 0 2 8 5 HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON A REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 20 ACRES OF LAND FROM GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT AND PRE-DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT TO MIDDLE DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT R FIVE, MORE SPECIFICALLY KNOWN AS 55 24 ECKERD ROAD, ALSO KNOWN AS A PORTION OF KAMA COUNTY PROPERTY IDENTIFICATION NUMBERS 7 5 4 4 9 AND 7 8 2 3 3.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL AND A SECOND FOR PZ TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PLZC 20 24 0 2 6.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? ALRIGHT, AN I VOTE AND IS TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

ALRIGHT, I HAVE SIX VOTES.

CAN WE PUBLISH THAT? WE HAVE SIX AYES AND THEN OPPOSED THAT MOTION PASSES.

ITEM FIVE C-P-L-Z-C

[C. PLZC20240285 - Hold a public hearing and make a recommendation on a request to rezone approximately 20 acres of land from General Business District (GB), Agricultural District (AD), and Pre-Development District (PRE) to Middle Density Residential District (R-5), more specifically known as 5524 Eckhardt Road, also known as a portion of Comal County Property Identification Numbers 75449 and 78233, City of Schertz, Comal County, Texas.]

CITY OF SHEZ, KAMAU COUNTY, TEXAS.

SAM, THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS.

THIS IS PLZC 2 0 2 4 0 2 8 5.

SAMUEL HAAS, SENIOR PLANNER.

SO JUST TO GET, GET OUR BEARINGS HERE, UH, THE PROPERTY IS OUTLINED IN GREEN.

IT IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED.

IT IS APPROXIMATELY 20 ACRES.

THERE IS A STRUCTURE ON THE PROPERTY, IT LOOKS TO BE VACANT.

UH, THIS IS I 35 JUST TO THE NORTH AND THIS IS THE CYPRESS HILL, UH, SUBDIVISION TO THE, TO THE EAST, WEST, SORRY.

SO ON NOVEMBER 22ND, 2024 16, PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES WERE SENT OUT.

SO FAR WE'VE RECEIVED NO RESPONSES.

THERE WAS ONE SIGN PLACED ON THE PROPERTY AND AN ADDITIONAL PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE WAS SENT TO CALL MAL ISD.

UH, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE SURROUNDING LAND USES HERE, UH, WE TO THE NORTH, WE HAVE GENERAL BUSINESS THAT'S CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED TO THE SOUTH.

IT'S AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT AND GENERAL BUSINESS.

UM, APPEARS TO BE RURAL RESIDENCES AND AG USE TO THE EAST.

WE HAVE, UH, GENERAL BUSINESS AND PRE-DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.

AND TO THE WEST WE HAVE RIGHT OF WAY THAT IS ECKERD ROAD.

PER THE APPLICANT LETTER OF INTENT, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO JUST REONE THE PROPERTY MIDDLE DENSITY DISTRICT R FIVE.

AND SO MIDDLE DENSITY DISTRICT, UH, IS A NEW DISTRICT.

SO JUST FOR REFERENCE, UM, UH, IN THIS CONTEXT, THE DENSITY WILL BE 12 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.

MINIMUM LOT SIZE IS A QUARTER ACRE.

UH, THERE ARE NO MINIMUM WIDTH OR DEPTH REQUIREMENTS FOR THE LOTS.

UM, THE SETBACKS ARE 25 IN THE FRONT 10 FOR THE REAR AND THE SIDE.

THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS 35 FEET AND OUS COVERAGE IS 80%.

PARKING REQUIREMENTS PER THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL BE 1.5 SPACES PER UNIT.

THAT'S ACTUALLY, I APOLOGIZE, THAT'S ACTUALLY INCORRECT.

IT'S GONNA BE TWO SPACES PER UNIT ON THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT AND IT REQUIRES THAT YOU ADHERE TO ALL MULTIFAMILY SITE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS IN ARTICLE NINE.

SO WHEN EVALUATING ZONE CHANGE REQUESTS, WE LOOK AT THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL IN UEC SECTION 21 5 4 D.

UH, NUMBER ONE, WHETHER PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE IMPLEMENTS THE POLICIES OF THE ADOPTED COMPREHENSIVE LAND PLAN OR ANY OTHER APPLICABLE ADOPTED PLANS.

THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS REGIONAL CORRIDOR, WHICH IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE COMMERCIAL ENTERTAINMENT AREAS ALONG MAJOR THOROUGH AFFAIRS.

AND, UH, MULTI-FAMILY COMPLEXES ARE APPROPRIATE AS WELL.

FOR THIS REASON, THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN.

NUMBER TWO, WHETHER PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE PROMOTES THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND GENERAL WELFARE OF THE CITY.

THE UDC WAS RECENTLY AMENDED ON OCTOBER 22ND, 2024 WITH CITY COUNCIL'S APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE 24 S 1 56.

THIS NEW TEXT ESTABLISHED THE MIDDLE DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT R FIVE, WHICH WAS CRAFTED WITH THE INTENT TO ENCOURAGE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS THAT WOULD BE LESS DENSE AND MORE COMPATIBLE WITH EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISIONS.

UDC STRIVES TO ENSURE THE SAFE AND ORDERLY EFFICIENT DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY TO PREVENT THE OVERCROWDING OF LAND AND UNDUE CONCENTRATION OR DIFFUSION OF POPULATION.

THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE UDC AND THUS PROMOTES THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND GENERAL WELFARE.

NUMBER THREE, WHETHER PERMITTED USES IN THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE WILL BE CONSISTENT AND APPROPRIATE WITH THE EXISTING USES OF THE MEDIAN AREA.

THE USES THAT ARE PERMITTED WITHIN THE MIDDLE DENSITY DISTRICT ARE FIVE, ARE CONSISTENT AND APPROPRIATE WITH WHAT'S IN THE MEDIAN AREA.

AND NUMBER FOUR, WHETHER OTHER FACTORS ARE DEEMED RELEVANT AND IMPORTANT IN THE CONSIDERATION OF THE AMENDMENT.

SO, UH, THIS APPLICANT PREVIOUSLY REQUESTED A

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REZONE LAST MONTH TO R FOUR STAFF HAD RECOMMENDED DENIAL AND THEN, UM, THE APPLICANT INDICATED THAT THE GOAL WAS FOR A LESS DENSE, UH, DEVELOPMENT AND DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THERE WAS AN R FIVE CHOICE.

SO THE APPLICANT WITHDREW.

AND, UH, PER THE COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, THEY HAVE REAPPLIED FOR THAT MIDDLE DENSITY DISTRICT R FIVE, WHICH IS WHAT YOU SEE HERE TODAY.

THE PROPOSAL IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE SURROUNDING USES LAND USES AND IT MEETS THE INTENT OF UDC.

THE SHIRTS, FIRE EMS AND POLICE HAVE ALSO BEEN NOTIFIED OF THE ZONE CHANGE HAVE PROVIDED NO OBJECTION.

STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF PLZC 2 0 2 4 0 2 8 5.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SAM.

THE APPLICANT HERE.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? NO.

ALL RIGHT, GIMME JUST A SECOND HERE.

UH, THIS IS ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING.

IT IS 7 26.

I'LL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? NO.

WHERE IS EVERYBODY FROM THE LAST, FROM THE R FOUR.

YEAH, I KNOW, I HEAR YOU.

NOBODY.

IT'S, WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT I GET A KICK OUT OF.

I'M WATCHING LAST NIGHT'S COUNCIL MEETING AND THE, THE MAYOR WAS ACTUALLY DOING WHAT I DO SOMETIMES AS I, HE, HE SAYS HE'S WAITING FOR THE CLOCK TO TURN OVER.

ALRIGHT, IT IS 7 27 AND THE PUBLIC INPUT IS CLOSED.

THE COMMISSIONERS YOUR COMMENTS, IF I COULD START, UM, I'D LIKE TO THANK THE APPLICANT FOR BEING OPEN TO STAFF AND THE COMMISSIONER'S REQUEST FOR R FIVE.

UM, THIS IS THE FIRST R FIVE WILL HAVE RIGHT? IF APPROVED.

SO, UM, JUST EXCITED TO SEE WHAT KIND OF THE, THE BASELINE IS AND, AND WHAT WE CAN EXPECT FROM FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS IS THAT, UM, I'LL BE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL ON, UH, ON THE MAP UP HERE.

THE, THE PIECE ADJACENT TO THE AD ON ECKERD, THAT'S GONNA REMAIN GB AFTER ALL THIS, UH, ASSUMING WE ACCEPT THE CHANGE, THIS ONE UP HERE OR FURTHER DOWN THAT ONE.

UH, THAT IS NOT PART OF THEIR ZONE CHANGE REQUEST, BUT IT'LL IT'LL BE GB AS FAR AS I KNOW.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S PART OF THEIR OWNERSHIP.

WELL IT IT IS, IT IS NOT.

IT'S GB AT THE MOMENT AND WE'RE, WE'RE PROPOSING TO CHOP A LITTLE PIECE OFF OF THERE.

SO THAT PIECE WILL REMAIN GB.

THIS ONE THAT MY CURSORS OVER RIGHT HERE IS A DIFFERENT PARCEL THAT IS UNDER A DIFFERENT OWNERSHIP.

RIGHT? SO YES, THAT'LL REMAIN GB.

WELL I HAVE TO ASK, SAM, DID, DID, DID WE, DID WE RENO? I RE-NOTICE IS THE WRONG WORD, BUT DID WE SEND OUT NOTICES ON THIS ZONE CHANGE? YES, WE DID.

THE, THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION, WE ONLY GOT ONE REPLY.

YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I DON'T THINK WE HAD A LOT LAST WEEK OR LAST MONTH ON.

THERE WAS ONLY ONE RESPONSE LAST.

IT WAS THE, UH, GAS STATION THAT HELL THOSE PEOPLE ARE THAT'S TRUE.

IT'S ALWAYS GAS STATIONS .

OH, I KNOW WHAT THE, OKAY, I'M SORRY.

YOU'RE RIGHT.

THE ISSUE WAS THE, WAS THE COUNCIL WAS THE CHANGE TO THE UUD C THAT REQUIRED R FOUR TO BE ON A ARTERIAL.

THAT THAT WAS THE BIG OKAY, THANK YOU.

I REMEMBER THAT NOW.

UM, OKAY, WELL IF NO ONE HAS ANYTHING ELSE, AGAIN, THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL AND WE HAVE THE SAME THREE CHOICES.

APPROVE, DENY, I'LL A RECOMMEND TO APPROVE.

I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THAT? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

ALL RIGHT, SECOND.

THAT WAS COMMISSIONER WALLACE, RIGHT ON THE SECOND.

ALL RIGHT, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PZP LZ C 2 24 0 2 85.

ANY FURTHER COMMENT OR QUESTIONS? OKAY.

AND AYE VOTE IS TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

IF YOU CAST YOUR VOTE, PLEASE HAVE SIX VOTES.

YOU PUBLISH THAT.

WE HAVE SIX AYES, NONE OPPOSED THAT MOTION PASSES.

ITEM FIVE D

[D. PLCPA20240300 - Conduct a public hearing and make a recommendation on a request to amend the Comprehensive Land Use Plan by adopting the Parks, Recreation, Open Space, and Trails (PROST) Master Plan]

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LET'S SEE.

OKAY, THEY CHANGED IT ON US HERE.

PL CPA 2 2 4 0 300 CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON A REQUEST TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN BY ADOPTING THE PARKS RECREATION OPEN SPACE AND TRAILS MASTER PLAN.

DID LAUREN RUN OFF ON YOU? OH, THERE SHE IS.

I'M LIKE, I CAN GO WITH THAT.

SHE'S GOT THIS, BUT YES.

I'M LAUREN SRA, I'M DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH FRIES AND NICHOLS OVER THE LAST, UM, EIGHT MONTHS WORKING ON THE PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN, UM, WITH OUR PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD CITIZEN SURVEY.

SHE'S GONNA GO OVER ALL THAT WITH YOU HERE TONIGHT.

POSTS THAT THE DEPARTMENT DID FOR US THAT THOSE WERE GREAT.

ALRIGHT, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS, NICE TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

UM, SO SINCE WE WERE LAST HERE APPROVING THAT LAND USE PLAN UPDATE, UM, WE HAVE SINCE BEEN WORKING ON THE PARKS, RECREATION AND OPEN SPACE PLAN WITH LAUREN AND HER TEAM SO QUICKLY, I WANNA DO YOU GUYS JUSTICE AND GIVE YOU THE INFORMATION, BUT AT THE SAME TIME I WANNA BE RESPECTFUL OF YOUR TIME .

SO, UM, I'M GONNA GO THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION, BUT IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, FEEL FREE TO LET ME KNOW.

AND WE DO HAVE THE PDF OF THE FULL DOCUMENT LOADED ON THE DESKTOP HERE.

IF YOU GUYS WANNA LOOK AT ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY.

SO FIRST I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS THAT WE WENT THROUGH FOR THIS, WHAT WE ARE CALLING THE POST PLANS, THAT'S PARKS, RECREATION, OPEN SPACE, AND TRAILS.

SO WHAT IS THIS PLAN? IT'S A 10 YEAR PLAN, UM, RECOMMENDED FOLLOWED BY FIVE YEAR UPDATES PER TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE GUIDELINES.

IT ESTABLISHES SIMILAR TO A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

IT'S BASICALLY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR PARKS.

SO IT ESTABLISHES A VISION, HELPS GUIDE ACTIONS AND DECISION MAKING.

UM, WE WORKED WITH THE CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS THE PARKS DEPARTMENT TO FACILITATE THE PROCESS.

AND THE COMMUNITY WAS THE ONE WHO REALLY, AGAIN, LIKE IN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IDENTIFIES THAT VISION UPFRONT THAT WE FOLLOW.

UM, AND THEN THE PARKS BOARD WAS OUR KIND OF SOUNDING BOARD STEERING COMMITTEE THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.

WE MET WITH THEM.

UM, AND THEN OF COURSE THE CITY STAFF WILL BE THE ONES THAT THEN IMPLEMENT THE PLAN GOING FORWARD.

SO WHY DO WE DO POST PLANS? UM, THE IDEA IS TO BUILD CONSENSUS AROUND THE FUTURE OF THE PARKS TO IDENTIFY CURRENT AND FUTURE PRIORITIES.

UM, ESPECIALLY ON THE TAIL OF AN LAND USE PLAN UPDATE.

UNDERSTANDING THAT FUTURE POPULATION GROWTH GIVES YOU SOME MORE IDEA OF WHERE ADDITIONAL PARKS MIGHT BE NEEDED.

UM, THIS CAN BE THE BASIS FOR ONGOING PLANNING AND BUDGETING FOR THE THE PARKS DEPARTMENT.

AND THEN VERY IMPORTANTLY IS, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT MOST PARKS PLANS IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, THEY LOOK SOMEWHAT SIMILAR AND THAT IS BECAUSE TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE HAS A PRETTY SPECIFIC OUTLINE THAT THEY LIKE YOU TO FOLLOW IN ORDER TO BE COMPLIANT, UM, WITH THEIR ADOPTED PLAN, WITH WHAT THEY CONSIDER LIKE COMPLIANT PLANS, WHICH OPENS YOU UP TO, UM, HELPS YOU GET FUNDING FROM THE STATE.

UM, SO WE LOOK AT DEMOGRAPHIC TRENDS AND PROJECTED POPULATION GROWTH.

AGAIN, THAT WAS EASY THIS TIME 'CAUSE WE HAD JUST DONE THE, UM, LAND USE UPDATE AND WE ANALYZE THE CURRENT STATE OF THE PARKS AND IDENTIFY DEFICIENCIES AND NEEDS.

AND THEN WE ESTABLISH GOALS AND RECOMMENDATIONS BOTH KIND OF SYSTEM-WIDE AS WELL AS FOR SPECIFIC PARKS.

AND REALLY AGAIN, AIDING IN THAT SEEKING OF FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES.

SO USE AS A PLANNING TOOL FOR EVERYONE, UM, WITHIN THE CITY AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITY TO UNDERSTAND, UM, KIND OF PRIORITIZING AND MOVING FORWARD WITHIN THE PARKS DEPARTMENT.

UM, AND AND LASTLY, ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS ABOUT A PARKS PLAN IS IT CAN BE USED AS A WAY TO COORDINATE WITH YOUR SURROUNDING JURISDICTIONS AS WELL FOR THINGS LIKE TRAILS PLANNING AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

AND WE STARTED THIS IN MARCH, UM, WHICH WAS JUST, I THINK WE ADOPTED THE COMP, UH, THE LAND USE PLAN UPDATE IN APRIL.

SO THIS WAS JUST STARTED RIGHT ON THE TAIL OF THAT.

UM, YOU CAN SEE HERE WE'VE ADDED A P AND Z MEETING IN THERE, UM, IN OUR APPROVAL MEETINGS.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE TONIGHT.

AND THEN WE'LL GO TO COUNCIL ON THE 17TH IS THE PLAN.

SO THAT'S JUST MOVED A LITTLE BIT.

SO I WANNA TALK ABOUT THE ENGAGEMENT AND THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED.

UM, WE USED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FEEDBACK AS OUR STARTING POINT.

WE DID GET COMMENTS AND FEEDBACK ABOUT PARKS AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROCESS WITH THE LAND USE PLAN UPDATES.

SO WE STARTED WITH THAT.

UM, WE HAD FOUR PARKS BOARD MEETINGS, FIVE FOCUS GROUP MEETINGS WITH STAKEHOLDERS.

WE HAD AN ONLINE SURVEY, UM, AND OUR WEBSITE AND ONLINE MAPPING TOOL SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAD FOR THE LAND USE PLAN, BUT SPECIFICALLY FOR THE PARKS PIECE.

UM, WE TABLED AT THE JULY JUBILEE EVENT AND WE HAD, WE HOSTED A PUBLIC OPEN HOUSE HERE ACTUALLY IN THE CHAMBERS PRIOR TO ONE OF OUR PARKS BOARD MEETINGS FOR ANYONE TO COME OUT WHO WANTED TO TALK TO US OR HAVE QUESTIONS.

UM, YOU CAN SEE HERE PICTURES OF SOME OF THE SOCIAL MEDIA

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UM, WE HAD POSTCARDS THAT WE MAILED OUT, UH, SIGNS THAT WERE PUT UP IN PARKS TO TRY TO GET PEOPLE TO THE WEBSITE AND GET SOME AWARENESS.

SO THESE, THIS IS A LIST OF THE STAKEHOLDER FOCUS GROUPS THAT WE TALKED TO.

SO A COUPLE OF THE YOUTH SPORTS LEAGUES, THE SENIOR CENTER FRIENDS OF CRESCENT BEND, AND THEN KIND OF A CATCHALL GROUP WITH, UM, NATURAL NATURALISTS, MASTER NATURALISTS AND GARDENERS AS WELL AS TRAIL ADVOCATES.

AND TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT THE FUTURE OF PARKS.

AND THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE PRIORITIES AND CONCERNS THAT WE HEARD OVERARCHING THROUGHOUT ALL THOSE CONVERSATIONS IS REALLY, UM, WHAT WE WERE REALLY IMPRESSED WITH IS PEOPLE WERE REALLY GOOD AT KIND OF GETTING OUTSIDE THEIR BUBBLE AND SAYING, YES, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE'RE THE SOCCER ASSOCIATION, BUT WE SEE THE WIDER NEED OF BALANCING THE NATURAL AREAS WITH THE SPORTS COMPLEXES AND THE MORE PASSIVE PARKS.

SO THERE ARE SOME REALLY GOOD CONVERSATION ABOUT JUST BALANCING ALL THE NEEDS OF THE USERS, UM, ENHANCING PARKS, UH, CONTEXTUALLY APPROPRIATE FOR EACH PARK.

SO WE HAD SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT WHERE IS MAYBE LIKE A PLAYGROUND APPROPRIATE VERSUS NOT APPROPRIATE BASED ON THE CONTEXT OF DIFFERENT PARKS, UM, PRESERVATION OF NATURE AND WILDLIFE THAT CAME UP CONSISTENTLY THROUGHOUT ALL OF OUR CONVERSATIONS.

SO THAT WAS A REALLY BIG THEME.

UM, AND THEN TRAILS IN CONNECTIVITY WAS ALSO A REALLY BIG THEME, NOT JUST IN THE STAKEHOLDER FOCUS GROUPS, BUT JUST OVERALL.

AND THEN CONCERNS JUST OVERCROWDING, UM, PUBLIC, BASICALLY EDUCATION ABOUT SOME OF THE NATURAL PRACTICES THAT THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, UM, EMPLOYS IN THE MAINTENANCE.

UM, AND THEN JUST GENERAL KIND OF MAINTENANCE AND FACILITIES DEMAND FOR SPORTS LEAGUES IS OUTWEIGHING THE CAPACITIES RIGHT NOW.

SO THERE'S KIND OF LIKE A WAIT LIST THERE.

UM, HOW EXTREME WEATHER EVENTS IMPACT INFRASTRUCTURE AND USABILITY.

AND IN THAT SAME VEIN, INCREASING MAINTENANCE COST AND THEN WATER QUALITY ALONG NATURAL WATERWAYS.

UM, WE, THIS IS JUST A SNAPSHOT OF WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE ONLINE MAPPING TOOL PINS WERE DROPPED.

WE HAD 103 PARTICIPANTS IN OUR MAPPING TOOL WITH 162 COMMENTS AND THOSE COMMENTS WERE PULLED AND WRAPPED INTO OUR SUMMARIES OF OUR ENGAGEMENT AND THEN INTO THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

UM, JUST A FEW QUICK THINGS TO PULL FROM THE ONLINE SURVEY.

THIS IS JUST KIND OF A SNIPPET OF A FEW OF THE QUESTIONS YOU CAN KIND OF GET THE OVERALL FEEL FOR WHAT WE WERE SEEING.

UM, SO THIS ONLINE SURVEY WAS OPEN IN JUNE.

JUNE THROUGH AUGUST.

WE MAILED OUT 4,000 POSTCARDS, UM, AS A WAY TO DO A STATISTICALLY VALID SURVEY.

WE GOT 426 RESPONSES.

APPROXIMATELY 31% OF THOSE WERE POSTCARD RECIPIENTS AND THAT EQUATES TO 3% OF HOUSEHOLDS AND WITHIN 95% CONFIDENCE RATE BASED ON THE VALID SURVEYS.

UM, THAT WAS ONE BIG THING THAT COUNCIL SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED, THAT STATISTICALLY VALID SURVEY.

UM, YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT AROUND THREE FOURTHS OF PEOPLE ARE RATING THE EXISTING QUALITY AND PHYSICAL CONDITIONS OF PARKS EXCELLENT OR GOOD.

WE HEARD ALSO ANECDOTALLY A LOT ABOUT HOW GREAT LAUREN'S TEAM IS DOING AND HOW PEOPLE REALLY APPRECIATE THE PROGRESS THEY'VE SEEN IN THE PARK.

SO OVERALL PEOPLE REALLY LOVE THE PARKS AND ARE HAPPY WITH WHAT'S GOING ON, BUT THERE'S ALWAYS ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT OF COURSE.

UM, SO SOME OF THE, WE, SOME OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS WE ASKED IS MAIN REASONS FOR USING THE PARKS.

AGAIN, ENJOYING NATURE AND THE OUTDOORS CAME OUT REALLY FAR AND AHEAD OF EVERYTHING ELSE.

UM, SOME OF THE REASONS PEOPLE MAYBE DON'T USE PARKS IS THEY'RE TOO FAR, THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED IN WHAT'S BEING OFFERED OR THEY'RE PHYSICALLY UNABLE TO PARTICIPATE.

SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS YOU'LL START SEEING IN SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

THE MOST IMPORTANT OPPORTUNITY THAT PEOPLE WANNA HAVE CLOSE TO THEIR HOME ARE TRAILS TO GET OUT, DOING SOME OF THAT ACTIVITY, UM, KIDS PLAY AND AGAIN, ENJOYING THE OUTDOORS, THE PURPOSE THAT PEOPLE SEE OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT.

SO, UM, THIS ONE I WANNA JUST START BY SAYING THESE ONES, PEOPLE CAN RANK WHATEVER THEY WANT, RIGHT? AND SO JUST BECAUSE ADULT SPORTS OPPORTUNITIES IS AT THE BOTTOM DOESN'T MEAN IT'S NOT STILL IMPORTANT.

IT'S STILL ABOUT A THREE OUT OF FOUR, RIGHT? SO PEOPLE STILL CARED ABOUT IT, IT'S JUST THEY DIDN'T CARE ABOUT IT AS MUCH AS NATURE AND OUTDOORS.

UM, BUT OVERALL NATURE, WILDLIFE, HABITAT AND COMMUNITY EVENTS WERE OUR TOP THREE, UM, MOST IMPORTANT BENEFITS THAT PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO SEE FROM THEIR PARKS.

THEN THE FUNCTIONS PERFORMED BY THE CITY RELATED TO PARKS.

AGAIN, UNDERSTANDING THAT JUST 'CAUSE SOMETHING'S ON THE BOTTOM DOESN'T MEAN IT'S NOT IMPORTANT, BUT THE MOST, THE BIGGEST PRIORITIES PEOPLE SAW FROM THE PARKS DEPARTMENTS ARE OPERATING, MAINTAINING PARKS.

THAT MAKES SENSE, RIGHT? UM, PROVIDING TRAILS AND THEN PRESERVING THE IN INSPECT ENVIRONMENT AND OPEN SPACE.

SO YOU START SEEING A LOT OF CONTINUOUS THINGS THAT COME UP OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

WE LIKE TO SEE THAT 'CAUSE THAT MAKES OUR JOB EASIER BECAUSE THERE'S SOME CLEAR THINGS THAT

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POP OUT.

UM, SO BASED ON THE ONLINE SURVEY, THE FOCUS GROUPS, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

UM, THE TOP 10 FACILITY PRIORITIES, OR I GUESS THIS IS STILL JUST THE ONLINE SURVEY, THE TOP 10 FACILITIES THAT PEOPLE WANNA SEE IN THE CITY SEE MORE OF HERE IS HERE IS THAT, UM, SHADE AND PLAYGROUNDS, TRAILS, NATURE AND OPEN SPACE.

UM, SO AGAIN, YOU SEE THOSE KIND OF RECURRING THEMES.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THE SURVEY OR I GUESS I'LL JUST GO THROUGH THE ION.

UM, SO DOCUMENT CONTENTS, I'M JUST GONNA RUN THROUGH QUICKLY WHAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE DOCUMENT AND THEN IF THERE'S ANY DETAILED QUESTIONS WE CAN DIG INTO THOSE.

UM, FIRST WE BEGIN BY IDENTIFYING PARK CLASSIFICATIONS.

UM, SOME OF THESE ARE PRETTY TYPICAL ACROSS MOST PARKS PLANS.

SOME OF THESE WERE SPECIFIC TO SHIRTS, SO SUCH AS THE GREEN BELTS AND LINEAR PARKS AND THE OPEN SPACE AND NATURE PARKS.

WE, IN DISCUSSION WITH LAUREN, REALLY WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE IDENTIFIED THOSE SEPARATELY BECAUSE THEY ARE, UM, SUCH OF HIGH INTEREST, UH, TO RESIDENTS.

SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE IDENTIFIED THOSE SEPARATELY FROM JUST SAYING AN OPEN SPACE PARK, BUT IT'S ALSO A REGIONAL PARK.

WE WANTED TO IDENTIFY IT AS ITS OWN SPECIFIC CATEGORY.

AND SO THE FIRST THING WE DO THEN IS CREATE AN INVENTORY TABLE.

SO WE LIST ALL OF THE PARKS.

THIS INCLUDES CITY PARKS AS WELL AS UNDEVELOPED PARK LAND, UM, RECREATION FACILITIES AND PRIVATELY OWNED PARKS WITH, UH, BY HOAS.

UM, THOSE ARE KEPT SEPARATE FROM THE CITY PARKS, SO WE CAN KIND OF DELINEATE THOSE SEPARATELY.

BUT WE DO LIKE TO SEE KIND OF THE HOLISTIC PICTURE OF ALL THE PARKS AND RECREATION OFFERINGS BEING, UH, GIVEN TO RESIDENTS, WHETHER THEY'RE PUBLIC OR PRIVATELY OWNED.

UM, ISD FACILITIES.

AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A SEPARATE MATRIX IN THERE THAT'S JUST ABOUT THE PROGRAMMING AND EVENTS THAT'S HAPPENING WITHIN THESE PARKS.

SO THIS IS JUST A SNIPPET.

UM, THIS IS A VERY LONG MATRIX IN THE DOCUMENT 'CAUSE YOU GUYS HAVE A LOT OF PARKS.

UM, SO THIS IS WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS THERE'S, FOR EVERY PARK WE BASICALLY LIST OUT ALL OF THE TYPICAL PARKS AMENITIES AND THEN WE DENOTE WHERE EVERYTHING IS AT THE PARKS AND WE GET OUR TOTALS FOR WHAT THE CITY OF SHIRTS CURRENTLY HAS.

AND THEN WE DIG INTO A, UH, 13 SPECIFIC PROFILES, UM, THAT WE TALKED WITH LAUREN ABOUT AND WHAT, WHICH PARK DO WE REALLY WANNA DIG INTO A LITTLE BIT DEEPER.

UM, SO WE DID THESE, THESE SPREAD PROFILES FOR EACH OF THOSE 13 PARKS.

SOMETHING TO NOTE ON HERE TOO IS UM, WE COMBINE SOME PARKS TOGETHER BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IN THE CITY'S DATA THERE'S FOR EXAMPLE, HILLTOP AND HOMESTEAD ARE TWO SEPARATE PARCELS.

SO THEY'RE LISTED AS TWO SEPARATE PARKS, UM, BUT IN REALITY THEY'RE GONNA GOING TO FUNCTION AS ONE IN THE FUTURE.

AND SO WE COMBINE THAT INTO ONE AS A PROFILE.

UM, SAME WITH LIVE OAK HILLS AND FOREST RIDGE ROL TULAME.

UM, WE WERE REALLY LOOKING AT IT FROM THE USER'S PERSPECTIVE.

HOW DOES IT KIND OF FEEL AND IS EXPERIENCED AS ONE PARK? WE PUT THOSE TOGETHER IN A PROFILE.

UM, THE NEXT PIECE THEN, AFTER WE GET ALL OF OUR INVENTORY, WE DO OUR NEEDS ASSESSMENT WITH A THREE-PRONGED NEEDS ASSESSMENT DEMAND BASE, WHICH IS WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY WANT STANDARDS BASE, WHICH IS TAKING WHAT SHIRTS HAS, COMPARING THAT TO NATIONAL STANDARDS AND SAYING WHAT ARE THE DEFICITS? AND THEN RESOURCE BASE, WHICH IS LOOKING AT WHAT ASSETS DO YOU HAVE THAT COULD BE UTILIZED FOR RECREATIONAL PURPOSES.

UM, SO THIS IS THE LOOK AT THE STANDARDS BASED ASSESSMENT.

THERE'S TWO OF THEM.

ONE IS ACREAGE LEVEL OF SERVICE.

SO WHAT YOU'LL SEE HERE IS, UM, EXISTING ACREAGE THAT YOU HAVE TODAY.

WHAT IS THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE BASED ON YOUR POPULATION, YOUR RECOMMENDED LEVEL OF SERVICE BASED ON TODAY'S RECOMMEND TODAY'S POPULATION, BUT THEN ALSO THE 2035 POPULATION.

SO WHERE ARE YOU TODAY? WHERE SHOULD YOU BE IN 10 YEARS AND WHAT'S YOUR DEFICIT OR SURPLUS? MOST OF THE TIME IT'S A DEFICIT, BUT UM, YOU DO HAVE A SURPLUS ON REGIONAL PARKS, SO THAT'S A PLUS FOR YOU GUYS.

UM, SO THIS JUST KIND OF TELLS YOU IN TERMS OF QUANTITY, WHERE ARE YOU SITTING BASED ON, UM, NATIONAL STANDARDS.

AND THEN WE ALSO LOOK AT SPECIFIC FACILITIES.

SO AGAIN, WE TAKE ALL OF THOSE, UM, FACILITY AMENITIES ON THAT LEFT SIDE THERE AND WE SAY, HOW MANY DO YOU HAVE TODAY? HOW MANY SHOULD YOU HAVE BASED ON 2024 POPULATION, BASED ON 2035 POPULATION? WHAT ARE YOUR DEFICITS BASED ON TODAY IN THE FUTURE? AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR YOUR FUTURE PLANNING? WE ALSO DO A SPATIAL, UH, LEVEL OF SERVICE.

SO WE LOOK AT WHERE ARE THESE PARKS.

UM, SO YOU CAN SEE HERE WE TAKE IN THE, THAT KIND OF LIGHT YELLOW SHADING YOU SEE ON THE MAP.

THOSE ARE ALL THE AREAS THAT HAVE SIGNIFICANT RESIDENTIAL FUTURE POPULATION, FUTURE OR CURRENT POPULATION BASED ON THAT, UH, LAND USE PLAN THAT YOU

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HAVE.

YOUR, YOUR COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN.

AND SO WE'RE SAYING HERE'S WHERE THE LAND USE PLAN SAYS THERE'S GOING TO BE PEOPLE IN THE FUTURE.

HERE'S YOUR EXISTING PARK SERVICE AREAS.

WHERE DO YOU HAVE GAPS THAT NEED TO BE FILLED, UM, IN THE FUTURE? SO THOSE ARE THOSE, UH, BLACK OUTLINED AREAS OR THE PARKS NEEDS AREAS.

UM, SO WE DO THAT FOR KIND OF YOUR SMALLER PARKS, YOUR LARGER SERVICE AREA PARKS, AS WELL AS FOR TRAILS.

UM, AND THEN THE RESOURCE BASED ASSESSMENT.

SO WE LOOK AT THINGS LIKE CREEKS AND GREEN BELTS, UM, INTERESTING TOPOGRAPHICAL FEATURES.

UM, AND, AND POTENTIAL MULTI-USE UTILITY CORRIDORS, WHICH YOU GUYS ARE KIND OF ALREADY DOING IN SOME OF YOUR PARKS LIKE AT OAK RIDGE.

AND HOW MIGHT THOSE BE BETTER USED FOR PARKS AND RECREATION PURPOSES.

SO THIS IS A SUMMARY OF THE TOP PRIORITY NEEDS THAT HAVE COME OUT OF ALL OF THOSE ASSESSMENTS.

SO ALL OF THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENTS, ALL OF THE STAKEHOLDER CONVERSATIONS, ALL OF OUR NUMERICAL KIND OF QUANTITATIVE ASSESSMENTS AS WELL.

AND THIS IS THE LIST OF THE TOP, UM, FACILITY NEEDS BASED ON COMMUNITY INPUT, LEVEL OF SERVICE AND EXISTING CONDITIONS.

SO WHAT KIND OF WE'VE OBSERVED.

AND THEN THAT BOTTOM ROW IS THE TOP, UM, CUMULATIVE OUTDOOR AND INDOOR FACILITY NEEDS.

UM, SO THIS IS, THIS IS BASICALLY END OF THE PROJECT SAYING HERE'S THE, HERE'S THE SUMMARY OF ALL OF THAT WORK.

UM, SO THIS IS WHAT MAKES IT WHEN YOU GO TO TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE AND ASK FOR MONEY AND THEY SAY, IS IT ON YOUR TOP CUMULATIVE PRIORITY NEEDS? THIS IS KIND OF WHERE IF THERE'S ONE PAGE THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT IN THE WHOLE DOCUMENT.

, WE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATION WITH PARK BOARDS, MAKING SURE THIS WAS REALLY DIALED IN.

UM, SO THEN FINALLY THIS IS JUST THE LAST COUPLE SLIDES AND WE WON'T GO INTO A TON OF DETAIL ABOUT THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN 'CAUSE IT'S VERY DETAILED AND VERY LONG.

UM, BUT WE'VE GOT SIX GOALS THAT WE THEN SET FOR PARKS IN THE CITY.

IT'S REQUIRED TO, UM, RELATED TO ACQUIRING PARKLAND WAS GOAL NUMBER ONE, ACQUIRING ADDITIONAL ACREAGE.

GOAL NUMBER TWO IS ABOUT IMPROVING EXISTING PARKS.

GOAL NUMBER THREE IS SYSTEM-WIDE IMPROVEMENTS THAT KIND OF APPLY ACROSS THE BOARD TO ALL PARKS SUCH AS ACCESSIBILITY AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

GOAL FOUR IS NEW RECREATIONAL FACILITIES AND PROGRAMS. GOAL FIVE IS ABOUT THE BASICALLY LIKE THE GEOGRAPHIC DISTRIBUTION AND HOW DO YOU, UM, MAINTAIN PARKS IN A WAY THAT SERVICES.

WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT KIND OF THESE THREE GEOGRAPHICAL AREAS THAT SHIRTZ HAS JUST BASED ON THE SHAPE OF YOUR CITY AND HOW DO YOU PROVIDE THE SERVICES TO ALL THREE OF THOSE AREAS.

UM, AND THEN GOAL NUMBER SIX THAT IS ABOUT PARTNERSHIPS AND FUNDING.

AND THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF THE FIRST PIECE OF THE FIRST GOAL FOR THE ACTION PLAN.

SO WE, YOU'LL SEE WE HAVE, UM, THE GOAL, WE HAVE MULTIPLE ACTIONS UNDER EACH GOAL AND THEN WE HAVE, UM, AN INITIATION TIMEFRAME FOR EACH OF THOSE ACTIONS AND THEN WHERE APPLICABLE WE HAVE POTENTIAL COST RANGES WHEN IT'S LIKE A CIP PROJECT TYPE THING.

SO WITH THAT, UM, THAT IS THE END OF THE PRESENTATION.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, THIS IS ON THE AGENDA AS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO WE GOTTA GO THROUGH SOMETHING HERE FIRST.

, IT IS, UH, 7 48 AND I'LL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

NOBODY, NO ONE.

UH, LOOK AT THAT TIME TO WRITE IT'S 7 49 PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IS CLOSED.

COMMISSIONERS, I GOT SOME QUESTIONS, SIR.

GO AHEAD, JOHN.

MA'AM.

SO YOU SAID SOMETHING PARTICULAR ABOUT OUR CITY BEING WEIRDLY SHAPED AND SO SINCE IT IS WEIRDLY SHAPED, WE BUTT UP AGAINST MULTIPLE CITIES AND THOSE CITIES ALSO HAVE PARKS.

SO HAVE WE TALKED TO THE SURROUNDING CITIES TO MAYBE TIE IN WITH THEIR PARKS AND OR TRAILS TO NOT JUST SAY, WELL, IT'S OUR PARK, BUT IT'S OUR PARK? ABSOLUTELY.

UM, WE REGULARLY CONVERSE WITH OUR FRIENDS IN SLO AS WELL AS UNIVERSAL CITY IN SELMA.

IF YOU'VE BEEN DOWN TO BLO CREEK TRAIL SYSTEM, UC ALREADY HAS THEIR SIDE DEVELOPED SELMA AS WELL.

UM, WHEN THEY DID THEIR CONSULTANT, UH, CAME IN AND DID THEIR TRAILS MASTER PLAN IN SELMA.

THEIR CONSULTANT ACTUALLY CAME AND MET WITH US AND WE TALKED THROUGH OUR CONNECTIONS.

SO WE'RE VERY INTEGRATED, UM, WITH THOSE CITIES ON OUR TRAILS PLAN.

UM, WE ALSO HAVE A, A GREAT NORTHERN TRAIL PLAN, YOU KNOW, COMING FROM NORTHERN CHURCH.

WITH SLO AND THEY'VE GOT THAT SECTION ON THEIR TRAILS MASTER PLAN AS WELL.

AND WE'VE TALKED

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SO WE'RE VERY INTEGRATED WITH OUR ADJACENT CITIES RAILS PLAN.

DEFINITELY KIND OF COLORS OUTSIDE THE LINES QUITE A BIT.

WAS, UH, I DIDN'T FIND CUTOFF PARK IN THERE.

WAS CUTOFF PARK PART OF THIS? IT IS, YES IT IS.

IT WAS, UM, GROUPED WITH PICK ROLL AND MEYER.

OH, OKAY.

SO IT'S NOT LISTED INDIVIDUALLY ON THIS PROFILE, BUT IT WOULD'VE BEEN IN THE, UM, INVENTORY LISTED AS CUTOFF PARK INDIVIDUALLY AS A PARCEL.

BUT WHEN WE DID THE PROFILE, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT IT ALL JOINTLY.

AND IS, DOES THAT INCLUDE THE, THE PIECE, THE VACANT PIECE OF PROPERTY BETWEEN 1518 AND THE CREEK? I, I FORGET WHAT IT'S CALLED.

UH, YES.

ACRO CUTOFF GOES ALL THE WAY UP TO 78 I GUESS, CORRECT, YES.

THAT PARCEL ON THE OTHER SIDE OF AVIATION.

YES, IT DOES INCLUDE THAT SMALL PARCEL.

UM, REFERENCE TO THE GREAT NORTHERN TRAIL PARK, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON THAT WE HAVE ALREADY.

WHAT DO WE HOPE TO GAIN FROM THAT? DO WE HOPE TO GAIN HOTEL NIGHTS, UH, FAST FOOD BUSINESS, RESTAURANT BUSINESS OR, OR PEOPLE JUST GONNA BE TRAIPSING THROUGH SHIRTS AND HIGH BUY SEE YOU LATER.

WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S OUR BANG FOR THE BUCK ON GREAT NORTHERN TRAIL? SO I THINK GREAT NORTHERN TRAIL SOMETIMES INTERCHANGED WITH WHAT PEOPLE ARE HEARING.

THE GREAT SPRINGS PROJECT, WHICH IS, WHICH IS A DIFFERENT LARGER, UM, REGIONAL PROJECT THAT, THAT A NONPROFIT IS WORKING ON BETWEEN AUSTIN AND SAN ANTONIO.

OUR GREAT NORTHERN TRAIL IS DESIGNED FOR RESIDENTS.

IT'S, IT'S LINKING, IT'S THAT CONNECTIVITY THAT YOU SAW TRAILS AND CONNECTIVITY WAS A HIGH PRIORITY.

UM, RESIDENTS WANT TO BE ABLE TO GET ON A SYSTEM AND GO FOR DISTANCES.

AS YOU SEE ALONG SHARDS PARKWAY, IT'S THREE MILES AND THEY'RE UP AND DOWN, UP AND DOWN.

THEY, THEY WANT THAT LONG DISTANCE ABILITY TO RUN, JOG AND EXERCISE.

CURRENTLY WHAT WE HAVE IS ONE MILE LOOPS WITHIN PARKS OR SMALLER.

WE DON'T HAVE THOSE LONG DISTANCE TRAILS.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, LINK ALL THE NEIGHBORHOODS TOGETHER.

SO IT IT, IT'S DIFFERENT FROM THE TRAIL FROM SAN ANTONIO TO RUN.

IT'S DIFFERENT.

YES, IT IS INCLUDED AS PART OF THE GREAT SPRINGS PROJECTS TRIUM NETWORK.

I MEAN, IT'S LISTED ON THEIR MAPS AS A WAY TO, YOU KNOW, EVENTUALLY MAYBE CONNECT TO WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO, BUT THEY'RE REALLY FOCUSED ON THE, UM, WEST SIDE OF 35.

THEY'RE REALLY TRYING TO, UM, CONSERVE LAND ALONG THE, UH, AQUIFER RECHARGE ZONE.

GOT IT.

THANKS.

UM, AND, AND THERE'S A NOTE THERE TO A HIGH PRIORITY IS TO PRESERVE NATURE AND WILDLIFE, YET YOU CHECK UP ON THE NEXT DOOR APP AND THE RING APP AND PEOPLE ARE GOING APE CRAZY OVER COYOTES AND FOXES AND, AND YOU KNOW WHAT? I, I GET TRYING TO PROTECT IT AND EVERYTHING, BUT WHEN I WANT TO PARK, I DON'T WANT TO BE WALKING THROUGH BREYERS AND BRAMBLES AND CACTUS AND I DON'T WANT TO BE CHASED BY A COYOTE.

HOW MUCH OF A PRIORITY IS THIS MOVE TO THE PARK? HUH? THE COYOTES NEED TO MOVE TO THE PARK.

COYOTE, I, I THINK WE HAVE A, WE DO HAVE A STRONG CONT CONTINGENCY HERE IN TERMS OF PEOPLE WHO REALLY WANNA PROTECT THE GREEN SPACE.

I KNOW, I KNOW WHO THEY'RE, AND A LOT OF THESE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A STRONG FRIENDS GROUP OF CRESCENT BEN, A LOT OF THESE COMMENTS ARE BASED ON THAT.

WE HAVE A LOT OF MASTER NATURALISTS.

UM, AND SO YEAH, THERE'S THAT BALANCE.

WE WANT SOME OPEN SPACE.

UM, I, I WOULD PROPOSE THAT YOU, YOU LEAVE CRESCENT BEN WILD AND CRAZY LIKE IT IS AND THE REST OF THE PARKS MAKE 'EM SO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PEOPLE FRIENDLY AND WE'RE NOT FIGHTING COYOTES AND GOD KNOWS WHAT ELSE IS OUT THERE.

AND, AND YOU KNOW, I, I GET IT.

I KNOW WHO THE PEOPLE ARE OVER CRESCENT BEN, AND I'VE HEARD THEIR ARGUMENTS A LOT AND THAT'S OKAY.

CRESCENT BEND WAS DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT, BUT A WALKING TRAIL SOMEWHERE IN SHIRTS, IT, IT NEEDS TO BE CLEAN UP KEPT AND IT, IT, YOU DON'T NEED TO BE FIGHTING OFF COYOTES ON, ON A, ON A NICE LITTLE WALKING TRAIL.

AND I THINK WHAT WE ENDED UP DOING IN THE RECOMMENDATIONS, WE IDENTIFIED LIKE THREE PARKS I THINK THAT WERE RIPE FOR KIND OF ECOSYSTEM RESTORATION AND IT WAS CRESCENT BEND DRY COAL MALL, DRY CREEK AND MAYBE LIKE HILLTOP.

YEAH, HILLTOP.

THAT THAT'D BE, THAT'D BE OKAY.

AND, AND THEN TOO, THE RECENTLY IN THE NEWS IN SAN ANTONIO THERE'S BEEN SOME, SOME VIOLENCE AND ATTACKS AND POSSIBLY MURDERS AND SO FORTH ON SOME OF THEIR WILD AND NATURAL TRAILS.

I DON'T THINK WE NEED THAT OVER HERE.

WE DON'T NEED THESE WILD NATURAL TRAILS WHERE IT WOULD ENCOURAGE ACTIVITY LIKE THAT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

LET IT GO SOMEPLACE ELSE.

YEAH, I THINK I AGREE.

SAFETY'S IMPORTANT.

SO THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY BEEF ON THE PRESERVATION OF NATURE AND WILDLIFE HABITAT,

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PLEASE.

NOTED.

AND I'VE GOT SOME OTHER IDEAS I'D I'D LIKE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT ONE DAY.

MAYBE BOTH OF YOU.

YOU GOT MY NUMBER? DO I? .

I'LL FIND YOU.

I GOT ONE FOLLOW UP QUESTION THAT GREAT NORTHERN TRAIL, THE LONG DISTANCE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHICH I DREAM ABOUT SINCE I LIKE TO RUN LONG DISTANCES.

IS THAT GONNA BE PAVED? IS THAT GONNA BE GRAVEL? IS THAT GONNA BE A MULCH? COMBINATION? COMBINATION? SO , YEAH, CURRENTLY IT'S, UH, ESTIMATED TO BE ABOUT EIGHT MILES IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

PERFECT.

AND IT'S PARTIALLY DECOMPOSED GRANITE CURRENTLY THE PORTION FROM SHEZ PARKWAY TO STEIN AND 3 9 9.

AND THEN PART OF IT IS CONCRETE.

IT'S, IT'LL BE A MIX DEPENDING ON THE SURROUNDINGS, DEPENDING ON HOW WILD IT FEELS OR HOW LIKE ALONG THE UTILITY EASEMENT AS YOU GET FURTHER NORTH, UM, BY 1103, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S VERY OPEN.

IT'S JUST WIDE OPEN AND WE'LL PROBABLY END UP DOING CONCRETE THERE.

WELL, I THINK, UH, A LOT OF WORK WENT INTO THIS.

UM, I MADE A COMMENT HERE, 132 POSTCARDS OUT OF 4,000 KIND OF RETURN.

AND SO WHAT I WROTE DOWN HERE, AND, AND TYPICALLY AND, AND I'M GUILTY, I I DIDN'T PARTICIPATE IN YOUR SURVEY.

I SHOULD HAVE, OKAY.

DOG PARKS WOULD'VE BEEN NUMBER ONE, BUT WHAT I WROTE DOWN IS THE, THE, THE, THE, THE SQUEAKY WHEEL GETS THE GREASE.

BUT, UM, I, I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF PERSONAL THINGS HERE.

UM, IT'S BEEN A COUPLE YEARS NOW, BUT, BUT YOUR WIFE AND I, UM, HAVE TAKEN UP.

WE HAVE, WE HAVE ELECTRIC BIKES AND PRIMARILY AT THIS POINT IT'S, IT'S RIDING TO AND FROM THE Y AND USING THE SUBDIVISIONS AS, UM, AS BIKE TRAILS AND STAYING OFF SUREZ PARKWAY AND ELBOW AND, AND THOSE KINDS OF STREETS.

AND IT, AND IT WORKS OUT WELL.

UM, I WAS VERY EXCITED TO SEE THE, THE TRAIL THAT YOU'RE GONNA PUT IN, THAT YOU'RE GOING TO, UM, RUN AROUND BEHIND, UM, OVER HERE AND CONNECT.

UH, BASICALLY IT'S GONNA RUN OVER TO MASSEY ROAD.

UH, IT'LL GIVE ME ANOTHER, BECAUSE, BECAUSE NOW I GO DOWN, I HAVE TO GO DOWN OAK AND COME UP MASS.

SO I'M, I'M, I'M EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

BUT, BUT MY COMMENT IS, I HOPE WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU FOR THE, AS AS MUCH AS YOU CAN, WHEN YOU LAY OUT THESE TRAILS THAT YOU INCLUDE BIKES, UH, THAT THEY'RE WIDE ENOUGH.

UM, WE HAVEN'T SEEN HIM IN A LONG TIME, BUT 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW THE, THE, THE WEAK LINK IN CHURCH PARKWAY IS THE BRIDGE OVER HERE WHERE IT'S REALLY NOT.

UH, AND THERE USED TO BE, WE OCCASIONALLY WE RUN INTO HIM MINI AND HE'D GRUMBLE AT US FOR NOT BEING IN THE STREET AND BEING ON THE SIDEWALK.

UM, EVEN THOUGH WE'D STOP AND LET HIM GO BY.

UM, AND THEN MY DOG PARK.

UM, AND, AND, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU FIND A LOT OF TIMES, UH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T USE MEYER.

I DON'T USE PICK ROLL.

UM, UM, YOU KNOW, MY INTEREST IS REALLY THE DOG PARK.

IT'S INTERESTING THAT WE, UH, YOU, UH, THE STANDARDS SAY WE SHOULD HAVE ANOTHER ONE SOMEWHERE THAT WOULD CERTAINLY OFFER SOME VARIETY.

UM, BUT YOU KNOW, I'VE COMMENTED BEFORE LAURA AND ABOUT, UM, HOW RUN DOWN THIS ONE BEHIND US IS GETTING, UM, SO OVERALL, ONE OF ONE OF MY QUESTIONS IS, UM, DO, IS IT, UH, IT IT'S NOT SO MUCH A, A PROBLEM WITH THE PLAN.

IS IT, DO YOU THINK THE CITY, UH, IS WILLING TO STEP UP AND FUND THIS STUFF AND GIVE YOU MONEY? I HAVEN'T BEEN ON THE, UM, ONE-OFF CHURCHS PARKWAY THAT CONNECTS OVER TO, TO, UH, FOREST RIDGE BECAUSE THE LAST TIME I TRIED TO WRITE IT, THERE WERE, IT WAS JUST, THERE WERE JUST TOO MANY WASHOUTS AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND, UM, SO I, I WAS STARTING TO SEE A LACK OF MAINTENANCE, UH, IN OTHER PLACES TOO.

UM, I, I THINK THE CONCEPT IS GREAT AND I JUST HOPE, UM, THAT THE CITY, UM, WILL FIND A WAY TO, TO, TO GIVE YOU WHAT YOU NEED TO, UM, TO, TO CARRY OUT THESE, THESE PRIORITIES AND THESE PLANS.

UM, I'D LIKE NOTHING THAT, THAT GREAT NORTHERN TRAIL SOUNDS LIKE A REALLY, YOU KNOW, UM, UM, A NIFTY IDEA.

IF I CAN DO IT ON MY BICYCLE, I'M NOT GONNA WALK IT, I'M NOT GONNA RUN IT LIKE JOHN.

UH, BUT I THINK THE WIFE AND I LOVE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO RIDE ON.

UM, AND, UH, SO PLEASE DON'T FORGET MY DOG PARK.

I WILL NOT FORGET YOUR DOG PARK.

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AND I JUST WANTED TO REMIND YOU THAT WE ARE GOING TO DO THIS COMMUNITY CIRCLE PARK.

THE MASTER PLAN RIGHT, HAS BEEN, UM, FUNDING, FUNDING IS COMMITTED OKAY.

FROM THE EDC.

COOL.

SO WE WILL BE DOING THAT.

WELL, WELL, JUST SO YOU KNOW, MY DOGS DON'T CARE.

UM, UNLESS YOU TAKE A, AS LONG AS YOU LEAVE THE SQUIRRELS THERE, THE DOGS DON'T CARE THAT THE GRASS IS GONE AND IT WOULD LIKE IT TO BE MORE MUDDY, PROBABLY .

UM, AND THAT WAS A COMMENT, AGAIN, NOT, NOT AGAINST YOUR PLAN, BUT WHEN, WHEN YOU PUT OUT IN THE NEWS RELEASES ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO, YOUR OWN COMMUNITY CIRCLE, UH, IT WAS REALLY HARD FOR ME TO SEE WHAT YOU INTENDED TO DO WITH, WITH, WITH THE DOG PARK, UM, MR. AL.

AND WE'RE DOWN THERE FOUR OR FIVE DAYS A WEEK AND, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU BROUGHT UP THE, THE QUESTION WAS BROUGHT UP ABOUT, UH, JOINT USE.

WELL, YOU COME OVER TO THE DOG PARK IN THE MORNING AND, AND, AND YOU'LL FIND SHIRTS PEOPLE, SLO PEOPLE.

UH, THERE'S ONE LADY THAT COMES ALL THE WAY UP FROM THE, UH, OTHER SIDE OF, UM, I 10.

SHE COMES UP 15, 18 JUST TO USE THIS DOG PARK.

YOU SEE, NEW BRAUNFELS, THEY ALL COME.

UM, SO, UM, MR. ELLA, I GOT ONE MORE THING.

ONE OF THE REASONS I BOUGHT A HOUSE HERE IS BECAUSE AS I DROVE AROUND, I SAW THE NICE SOFTBALL FIELDS, I SAW THE COVERED BASKETBALL COURT IN PICK PARK.

UM, I SAW MY RUNNING TRAIL UP SHIRTS, PARKWAY, AND BACK DOWN ON THE, ON THE TRAILS.

UM, THERE'S A LOT TO DO HERE FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO GO OUTSIDE AND DO SOME THINGS, KEEP PUMPING MONEY INTO THAT.

UM, I THINK, UH, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WAS ASKED EARLIER IS WHAT'S THE GIVE BACK? THE GIVE BACK IS PEOPLE WANNA LIVE HERE, RIGHT? AND SO IF THEY WANNA LIVE HERE, THEN THEY'LL KEEP PAYING TAXES TO LIVE HERE, WHICH MEANS KEEP PUMPING MONEY INTO THE PARKS.

SO THANK YOU.

BUT OVERALL, I THINK, UH, UM, ONCE AGAIN, I, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH I SAY IT'S THE SQUEAKY WHEEL, I THINK IT, IT, IT REFLECTS WHAT WE'VE SEEN AND, AND WHAT I'VE HEARD OF, OF, OF WHAT THE CITY'S LOOKING FOR.

SO ANYONE HAVE ANY UM, YEAH, GO AHEAD.

RICHARD FOR THE, MAINLY FOR THE COMMUNITY CIRCLE PARK.

'CAUSE I THINK IT'LL BE THE EASIEST IS BE AN ADVOCATE FOR RECLAIMED WATER.

THERE'S A RECLAIMED WATER SOURCE AT THE SCHOOL, AND IT WOULD BE VERY EASY FOR THE CITY TO TAP INTO THAT AND MAKE COMMUNITY CIRCLE A, A BEAUTIFUL PLACE.

I AGREE.

THAT IS, AND THEN, AND THEN YOU CAN SPRING OFF FROM THERE.

THAT'S IN OUR LONG TERM PLANS IS TO TAP INTO, RECLAIM THE WATER WHERE WE CAN.

UM, YEAH, THE, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

IT'S A BIGGER ISSUE IN SOME AREAS, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S CLOSE HERE.

SO WE SHOULD DO IT.

ANYONE ELSE? OKAY.

MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PL CPA 2 0 2 4 0 300.

JACKIE WAS JOHN? YES, SIR.

I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF P-L-U-D-C 2024.

NO, I'M GETTING AHEAD OF MYSELF.

P-L-C-P-A 20 24 0 3 0 0.

UH, HAVE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? I PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.

I HAVE SIX VOTES.

DO YOU PUBLISH THAT? VOTE PLEASE.

I SIX IN FAVOR? NONE OPPOSED THAT MOTION PASSES.

THANK YOU LADIES.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

ALL

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EMILY DELGADO, PLANNING MANAGER.

SIX E CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING WORKSHOP AND DISCUSSION.

POS PO UDC 2 2 4 0 2 98.

CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING WORKSHOP AND DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON AMENDMENTS TO PART THREE OF THE SHIRTS.

CODE OF ORDINANCES, UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE TO ARTICLE 11, SECTION 21 POINT 11.6, PROHIBITED SIGNS AND SECTION 21 POINT 1117.

TEMPORARY SIGNS.

GOOD EVENING COMMISSION.

SO THIS IS FOR PL UDC 2 2 4 0 2 9 8.

AND WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT PROHIBITED SIGNS AND TEMPORARY SIGNAGE.

SO, AS SOME BACKGROUND, UM, I GAVE A PRESENTATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL AT THE NOVEMBER 12TH CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP MEETING, AND THEN AGAIN AT THE NOVEMBER 19TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING, UM, SPECIFICALLY ABOUT KIND OF WHAT DO WE WANT THE VISION OF TEMPORARY SIGNS IN THE CITY

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OF SHORTS TO LOOK LIKE.

BASED ON THOSE TWO WORKSHOPS, IT WAS DISCUSSED THAT THE CURRENT REGULATIONS FOR TEMPORARY SIGNS SHOULD BE MODIFIED TO INCREASE THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT AND MAXIMUM AREA.

ADDITIONALLY, THERE SHOULD BE CLARITY ON THE PROHIBITION FOR WIND-DRIVEN SIGNS SUCH AS FEATHER FLAG SIGNS AND INFLATABLE SIGNS.

DON'T WORRY IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT TEMPORARY SIGNS ARE, YOU'RE GONNA GET A REALLY GOOD CRASH COURSE HERE.

SO WHEN WE LOOK AT ARTICLE 16 DEFINITIONS, WE HAVE A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF TEMPORARY SIGNS.

SO IN GENERAL, A TEMPORARY SIGN, IT'S ANY SIGN IDENTIFIED BY THIS UVC, WHICH IS INTENDED TO BE DISPLAYED FOR SEASONAL OR BRIEF ACTIVITIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO SALES, SPECIALS, PROMOTIONS, HOLIDAYS, AUCTIONS, AND OR BUSINESS GRAND OPENING.

SO WHEN YOU THINK TEMPORARY, IT REALLY MEANS A TEMPORARY SIGN IN NATURE.

IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, THEIR PERMANENT WALL SIGN.

THEN THERE'S DIFFERENT TYPES OF TEMPORARY SIGN.

SO THERE'S A WIND SIGN, AN A-FRAME SIGN, BALLOON SIGN, BANNER SIGN, PANIC.

AND THEN OUR FAVORITE BANDIT SIGNS, WHICH ARE PROHIBITED PER UDC 21 11 6.

IF YOU THINK BANDIT SIGN THAT IS THESE LITTLE GUYS THAT YOU SEE STUCK IN THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT, UM, LOVES TO GO AND PICK UP.

SO THESE ARE EXAMPLES OF WHAT TEMPORARY SIGNS LOOK LIKE.

SO OVER HERE WE HAVE WIND SIGNS, A-FRAME BALLOON, WHICH YOU CAN'T LIKE LOOK AT A BALLOON AND NOT DO LIKE THE INFLATABLE ARM.

IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

AND THEN BANNER SIGNS.

SO OUR DO YOU LIKE THAT MR. BUR? SO THE CURRENT UDC REGULATIONS FOR TEMPORARY SIGNAGE, THE MAXIMUM AREA AND MAXIMUM HEIGHT ARE BASED ON STREET CLASSIFICATIONS, WHICH MOST PEOPLE AREN'T AWARE.

IT'S DIFFERENT FROM LIKE OUR MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLAN ROAD CLASSIFICATIONS.

SO AREAS WITH LIMITED ACCESS, THAT'S IH 35 AND IH 10 AREAS WITH UNLIMITED ACCESS.

THINK YOUR FM ROADWAYS INCLUDING SHIRTS, PARKWAY, AND THEN ALL OF OTHER STREETS IS EVERYTHING ELSE.

IT'S NOT ONE OF THOSE TWO.

SO IF YOU'RE ON AN AREA WITH LIMITED ACCESS, SO LET'S TAKE IH 35, FOR EXAMPLE.

YOU CAN HAVE A LARGER MAXIMUM AREA FOR YOUR TEMPORARY SIGN AND A LARGER HEIGHT.

AND THEN AS THE ROADWAY CLASSIFICATION GETS SMALLER, YOU GET A SMALLER AREA AND A SMALLER HEIGHT FOR YOUR TEMPORARY SIGNS.

MINIMUM SETBACK FOR ALL TEMPORARY SIGNS, REGARDLESS OF WHAT TYPE THEY ARE, IS 15 FEET FROM ANY PROPERTY LINE.

THERE'S ALSO TIME LIMITATIONS.

SO TEMPORARY FREESTANDING SIGNS SHALL BE PERMITTED FOR A MAXIMUM OF 180 DAYS PER CALENDAR YEAR.

NO ADDITIONAL TEMPORARY SIGNS SHALL BE PERMITTED, UM, FOR THE SAME PROPERTY OR BUSINESS FOR A PERIOD OF 14 DAYS AFTER THE EXPIRATION OF THE PREVIOUS PERMIT.

THERE SHALL BE NO LIMITS TO THE NUMBER OF TEMPORARY SIGNED PERMITS THAT MAY BE ISSUED FOR A PARTICULAR PROPERTY OR BUSINESS.

AND THEN THE CUMULATIVE TOTAL NUMBER OF DAYS FOR WHICH ALL TEMPORARY SIGNED PERMITS ISSUED FOR A PROPERTY OR BUSINESS SHALL NOT EXCEED 180 CALENDAR DAYS.

AND THEN WE HAVE A, A STIPULATION THAT NO MORE THAN TWO TYPES OF TEMPORARY SIGNS SHALL BE PERMITTED PER BUSINESS OR TENANT AT ANY GIVEN TIME.

SO THOSE ARE OUR CURRENT REGULATIONS.

WANTED TO PROVIDE SOME DATA ON TEMPORARY SIGNS.

SO THE NUMBER OF TEMPORARY SIGN PERMITS ISSUED IN 2024.

THIS IS BASED OFF NOVEMBER'S RANGE, WAS SIX IN COMPARISON TO THE NUMBER OF PERMANENT SIGNS ISSUED.

82.

AND THEN KIND OF THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT, THE, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES, THE CODE ENFORCEMENT VIOLATION SIGNED NUMBER OF SIGNED VIOLATIONS ENTERED IN 2024, 1,242 AND THEN CLOSED 1,238.

AND KEEP IN MIND, MASS MAJORITY OF THOSE ARE THOSE BANDIT SIGNS.

SO WE ARE PROPOSING SOME UDC AMENDMENTS BASED OFF OF THOSE TWO WORKSHOPS AT CITY COUNCIL.

THE FIRST ONE BEING FOR 21 11 6 PROHIBITED SIGNS.

CURRENTLY, THE UDC IS NOT EXPLICITLY PROHIBIT THE WIND-DRIVEN, THE FEATHER FLAGS, THE INFLATABLE BALLOONS, ALL OF THOSE.

SO THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT WOULD BE TO ADD WIND-DRIVEN SIGNS, INCLUDING FEATHER FLAGS AND INFLATABLE BALLOON SIGNS ARE PROHIBITED REGARDLESS OF SIZE.

SO NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE AT, YOU CANNOT HAVE ONE OF THOSE TYPES OF SIGNS.

THE OTHER TWO PROPOSED CHANGES ARE IN THE 21 11, 17, 21 11 7, EXCUSE ME, FOR THE MAXIMUM AREA AND THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT.

SO RATHER THAN HAVING IT BASED OFF OF THE ROADWAY CLASSIFICATION, IT WOULD BE CITYWIDE.

EVERY TEMPORARY SIGN COULD BE 36 SQUARE FEET IN AREA AND SIX FEET IN HEIGHT.

WE FEEL THAT THIS ADDS CLARITY.

PROPERTY OWNERS NOT TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT KIND OF ROADWAY CLASSIFICATION THEY'RE ON.

THEY JUST KNOW NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE IN THE CITY, WHEN YOU COME TO GET YOUR TEMPORARY SIGN PERMIT, IT CAN BE 36 SQUARE FEET IN AREA, SIX FEET IN HEIGHT.

SO THIS IS WHAT THOSE RED LINES LOOK LIKE.

SO AGAIN, TAKING OUT THOSE TWO TABLES, MAKING IT A LITTLE MORE CLEAR.

SO WHEN WE LOOK AT UDC AMENDMENTS, WE LOOK AT 21 4 7 D.

SO NUMBER ONE, THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT PROMOTES THE HEALTH, SAFETY OR GENERAL WELFARE OF THE CITY.

THE CITY COUNCIL REQUESTS AND STAFF PROPOSES UDC

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AMENDMENTS FROM TIME TO TIME PROACTIVELY TO BETTER THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, UM, TO ALLOW GREATER FLEXIBILITY.

THIS WOULD ALLOW THAT GREATER FLEXIBILITY, ALLOW LARGER TEMPORARY SIGNS REGARDLESS OF THE ROADWAY CLASSIFICATION.

ADDITIONALLY, BY INCREASING THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT AND MAXIMUM AREA FOR TEMPORARY SIGNS, IT PROMOTES ORDERLY AND EFFICIENT DEVELOPMENT.

THEORETICALLY, YOU HAVE LARGER SIGNAGE, MORE FOLKS WILL COME IN AND APPLY FOR THAT PERMIT TO GET A LAWFULLY, UM, ISSUED TEMPORARY SIGN, UH, TO PROMOTE THEIR BUSINESS.

NUMBER TWO, ANY AMENDMENT TO THE TEXT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS, OBJECTIVES, AND POLICIES OF THE UDC.

THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS AND DESIRES OF THE CITY COUNCIL, AS DISCUSSED AT THE NOVEMBER 19TH CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP.

ADDITIONALLY, INCREASING THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT AND MAXIMUM AREA ALLOWS FOR THAT GREATER FLEXIBILITY, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH OTHER UDC AMENDMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED RECENTLY.

ADDITIONALLY, IT DOES ADD THAT CLARITY ON REQUIREMENTS AND DESIRES OF THE CITY COUNCIL BY CREATING UDC AMENDMENT THAT CLEARLY PROHIBITS THOSE FEATHER FLAGS AND INFLATABLE SIGNS.

IT'S MORE CLEAR FOR BUSINESS OWNERS AND APPLICANTS ON WHAT IS ALLOWED AS A TEMPORARY SIGN IN THE CITY AND WHAT'S NOT.

NUMBER THREE, THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT CORRECTS AN ERROR, MEETS THE CHALLENGE OF CHANGING CONDITIONS OR IN RESPONSES, EXCUSE ME, OR IN RESPONSE TO CHANGES IN STATE LAW.

THE OPERATIONAL VALUES OF THE CITY INCLUDE BEING PROACTIVE AND SERVICE ORIENTED BY CREATING THE PROPOSED UDC AMENDMENT IS PROACTIVELY ALLOWING BUSINESSES TO HAVE LARGER TEMPORARY SIGNS.

AND THEN NUMBER FOUR, OTHER FACTORS WHICH ARE DEEMED RELEVANT AND IMPORTANT IN THE CONSIDERATION OF THE AMENDMENT.

SO WE'VE REVIEWED TO ENSURE THAT ALL THE UDC REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN MET FOR THE PROPOSED UDC AMENDMENT.

AND THEN AGAIN, WE DO ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO WATCH THE NOVEMBER 12TH AND 19TH CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOPS AS THERE WAS LENGTHY DISCUSSION AS TO WHY THESE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS WERE, UM, BEING BROUGHT FORWARD.

SO BASED ON THE CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOPS THAT TOOK PLACE, THERE IS A DESIRE TO MODIFY THE TEMPORARY SIGN MAXIMUM HEIGHT AND MAXIMUM AREA TO ALLOW FOR INCREASED H SIZE.

UM, THE PROPOSED UDC AMENDMENT WILL ALLOW GREATER FLEXIBILITY FOR BUSINESSES THAT WOULD LIKE TO UTILIZE TEMPORARY SIGNS.

IT ALSO ADDS CLARITY ON WHAT CAN AND CANNOT BE CONSIDERED A TEMPORARY SIGN.

SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF PL UDC 2 2 4 0 2 98.

ALL RIGHT, THIS IS ALSO A PUBLIC HEARING.

IT IS, UH, EIGHT 12 AT THIS TIME.

ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THE SUBJECT IS, UH, INVITED TO STEP FORWARD.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

WOULD THE A-FRAME SIGNS BE ALLOWED OR DOES THAT FALL UNDER THE, THE FLAGS AND EXCUSE, EXCUSE ME, JUDY.

OH, I'M SORRY.

THIS, THIS IS, IT'S NOT OUR TURN YET.

I'M SORRY.

THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

KEEP HOLD ONTO THAT THOUGHT.

DAVID, YOU'RE JUST GONNA SIT BACK THERE ALL BY YOURSELF ALL NIGHT, HUH? OKAY.

NOBODY.

IT IS, UH, EIGHT 13 AND PUBLIC INPUT PORTION IS CLOSED.

GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER GOLD.

I'M SORRY, IT'S GETTING LATE.

THAT'S, GO AHEAD, .

NO, MY QUESTION WAS LIKE WITH THE, A-FRAME SIGNS TO THAT FALL UNDER THE A-FRAME SIGNS WOULD STILL BE ALLOWED.

UM, IT WOULD STILL HAVE TO MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.

YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO PUT 'EM IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, BUT THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED STILL.

SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE, UM, LEMME GO BACK TO THIS.

SO THE RED TEXT THERE, YOU SEE AT THE TOP, UM, WIND-DRIVEN SIGNS INCLUDING FEATHER FLAGS, INFLATABLE BALLOON SIGNS.

SO WE'RE REALLY TALKING, RIGHT? THE WIND SIGNS, THE FEATHER FLAGS THAT YOU SEE THAT TEND TO FALL APART RATHER QUICKLY, UM, DON'T NECESSARILY GET MAINTAINED.

SO THE WIND SIGNS AND THEN OUR INFLATABLE BALLOON GUY, THOSE WOULD BE THE ONES THAT WOULD BE PROHIBITED.

BUT THE A-FRAMES AND THE BANNERS WOULD BE THE, A-FRAMES WOULD STILL BE ALLOWED.

PERSONAL OPINIONS, YOU KNOW, I, I CERTAINLY DON'T MIND TALKING ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT, BUT, BUT THIS IS REALLY THEIR THING.

SO WE'RE REALLY JUST TALKING THE WIND SIGNS AND THE BALLOON SIGNS WOULD BE PROHIBITED.

UM, AND THEN THE REST OF THEM, IF THIS UEC AMENDMENT GOES FORWARD, COULD BE LARGER.

SO THE BANNER SIGN COULD BE LARGER.

UM, BUT BEFORE, BEFORE WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THIS ONE.

UM, THIS CAME FROM THE, THE, UH, CITY COUNCIL HAS ALREADY SEEN THIS TWICE.

UM, UNFORTUNATELY I COULDN'T FIND A VIDEO FOR THE WORKSHOP.

ALL I COULD FIND WAS THE VIDEO FOR THE, UM, ACTUAL COUNCIL MEETING.

THE SECOND TIME YOU, THEY, THEY ALL TALKED ABOUT IT.

UM, SO ONCE AGAIN, I, I THINK THIS IS, UH, NOW IF, IF THEY'RE INTERESTED IN OUR

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THEY ASKED FOR IT.

UM, AND IF YOU DIDN'T WATCH LAST, UH, WELL, IT WASN'T, WAS IT LAST NIGHT WHEN NO, IT WAS LAST MONTH.

THEY SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THIS.

UM, AND I A LOT IN A LOT, A LOT OF CASES I HAD A HARD TIME FOLLOWING WHO WANTED WHAT AND YOU KNOW WHAT, UM, UNTIL ONE COMMISSIONER TOWARDS THE END REALLY GOT ON THE BALLOON SIGN THING.

SO, UM, UM, I ASK YOU, I'VE GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS HERE FOR YOU.

UM, IN THE LAST COUNCIL WORKSHOP, THEY WERE ALSO TALKING ABOUT SPECIAL EVENT SIGNS.

WHERE DO THOSE FIT IN THIS? SO I'LL SAY, I THINK, UM, BETWEEN THE NOVEMBER 12TH AND THE 19TH, UM, RIGHT.

WE, ON THE 12TH MEETING, I JUST GAVE, THIS IS OUR REQUIREMENTS.

THIS IS WHAT WE, YOU KNOW, REGULATE.

AND THEY GAVE ME SOME FEEDBACK.

AND THEN I CAME BACK ON THE 19TH, WHICH YOU'LL SEE, I THINK I WENT TOO FAR, RIGHT? THEY, THEY DIDN'T LIKE HOW FAR I, I TOOK THAT SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT SIDE.

UM, SO AT THE END OF THE DISCUSSION WAS THAT WAS SCRAPPED AND WE, WE CAME DOWN TO THESE CHANGES.

INCREASING THE TEMPORARY AND THEN, THEN THE YEAH, I KNOW THEY, THE STRICT PROHIBITION ON 'EM.

I KNOW THEY HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES WITH THE NO, NO RESTRICTIONS ON THE SIZE OF TEMPORARY SIGNS.

THAT, YEAH.

QUITE A BIT ABOUT THEY HAVES CONCERN WITH THE, I I, YEAH.

SO BANNER SIGNS.

FIRE PREVENTION WEEK WHEN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT PUTS THEIR BANNERS OUT FRONT.

, DO THEY HAVE TO PULL A PERMIT? YES.

DO THEY, THEY THEY WILL BE PULLING A PERMIT AND THEY'LL BE FOLLOWING THESE GUIDELINES BECAUSE I NEVER DID.

I'M JUST, JUST CURIOUS.

AND, AND THE OTHER ONE THAT, THAT, THAT CATCHES MY EYE ALL THE TIME IS, UH, AND I, AND I'M SURE THEY WORK WITH THE, UM, ANIMAL, UH, FACILITY OVER HERE IS, IS YOU'LL SEE THE PET VACCINATION SIGN POP UP ON THE CORNER HERE.

CIRCLE DRIVE.

IS THAT THE SAME THING? DID WILL THEY HAVE TO PULL A PERMIT FOR THAT AND BANDIT SIGNS? MM-HMM.

, I HAD ONE IN MY, UH, IN MY FRONT YARD FOR SIX WEEKS.

WAS I IN VIOLATION OF, UM, THE CITY ORDINANCE .

SO IT DEPENDS ON EXACTLY WHERE THAT BANDIT'S NOT YEAH.

THEY, NO, THEY HAD IT OUT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD IT OUT ON THAT GREEN PARK BETWEEN THE, BETWEEN THE STREET AND THE, AND THE, THE SIDEWALK.

SO THAT'S PROBABLY RIGHT OF WAY AND IT PROBABLY SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN THERE.

UM, SO AGAIN, MY, MY OWN AS, AS, AS, AS, AS THE CHAIRMAN HERE, I, I, I REALLY THINK, UM, I, I DON'T KNOW, UNLESS WE HAVE SOMETHING POSITIVE TO ADD TO THIS.

IT, IT'S REALLY SOMETHING CITY COUNCIL WANTED AND THEY'VE ALREADY BEAT IT TO DEATH A COUPLE TIMES.

UM, AND I'M SURE THEY'LL BEAT IT TO DEATH AGAIN WHEN, WHEN YOU BRING IT TO 'EM.

UM, PERSONALLY, I, I, I MEAN I HAVE SOME THINGS, BUT I, I'M NOT SURE IT'S MY PLACE TO, UM, YEAH.

UM, BUT I WILL TELL YOU, I HATE THIS.

I UNDERSTAND THE RULES SAY THAT UDC CHANGES COME TO P AND Z BEFORE THEY GO TO, BUT THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME THEY'VE ACTUALLY STARTED WITH THE COUNCIL.

AND THEN THEY COME TO US AND I'VE GOT, AS THE CHAIRMAN, I'VE GOTTA SIT HERE AND GO, WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME? YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS HAVE, YOU GUYS HAVE ALREADY DONE IT, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE TOLD US WHAT YOU WANT.

UM, SO, BUT I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU GUYS ARE COMING FROM TOO.

CITY COUNCIL AND BECAUSE, UH, I, I ASSUME THIS CAME UP AT ONE OF THEIR WORKSHOPS THAT ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IT.

THE ORIGINAL.

AND, BUT, AND I'M SORRY, MR. ALL, I DON'T WANNA CUT YOU OFF, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KIND OF ADD THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE AT P AND Z FOR THE RECOMMENDATION EITHER WAY.

AND I FEEL LIKE, I THINK A GOOD EXAMPLE IS I THOUGHT I HAD A REALLY GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT COUNCIL WANTED WHEN WE LEFT COUNCIL CHAMBERS ON THE 12TH.

AND WHEN I GOT THERE ON THE 19TH, IT WAS LIKE, OKAY, MAYBE I COMP I I COMPLETELY MISSED THE MARK.

SO I THINK, UM, ANY FEEDBACK THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONERS HAVE AND THAT COULD MAKE THIS BETTER OR, OR DISAGREE WITH IT? WELL, I MEAN, I THINK COUNCIL DOES, YOU KNOW, WATCH THE VIDEO AND THEY VALUE THAT.

ALRIGHT, WELL SINCE YOU, SINCE YOU SAID THAT, BRING IT ON.

UM, GO BACK TO HOW, HOW, HOW MANY, HOW LONG THEY CAN DO FOR HOW MANY TIMES.

WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, UH, A BUSINESS COULD DO THIS ONCE A YEAR FOR NO MORE THAN 30 DAYS.

SEE, ONE OF THE THINGS I GOT, UM, AS I I WAS, AS I WAS WATCHING THE COUNCIL VIDEO, UM, IS, IS

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UM, IT, THAT, TO ME THAT SEEMS A LITTLE RESTRICTIVE IN TERMS OF, OF, AND, AND, AND YOU KNOW, IN THE SAME MEETING, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS TALKED ABOUT THE BUSINESS KNOWING WHAT THEY NEEDED TO DO TO MARKET THEIR BUSINESS.

AND THEN WE'RE TURNING AROUND AND TELL 'EM, WELL, YOU CAN ONLY DO THIS ONCE A YEAR.

UM, AND THEN, UM, BOY, THEY REALLY GOT DOWN IN THE WEEDS.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, A SIX FOOT FEATHER FLAG VERSUS AN EIGHT FOOT FEATHER FLAG.

DID, DO WE REALLY CARE? I MEAN, HONESTLY, IT'S, UM, AND, AND YOU KNOW, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT, WELL THE, YOU KNOW, IF WE DON'T DO THIS AND WE DON'T DO THAT, THEN, THEN THIS GUY'S GONNA DO THIS.

AND THEN HIS NEIGHBOR'S GONNA WHINE BECAUSE HE'S GONNA COMPLAIN BECAUSE, WELL, YOU KNOW, WHY COULDN'T I DO THAT? OR, YOU KNOW, HE'S GOT AN EIGHT FOOT SIGN AND ONLY GOING, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WE WORRIED.

I I, I REALLY THINK THEY'RE WORRIED, THEY'RE WORRIED TOO MUCH ABOUT THAT KIND OF STUFF.

UM, IN, IN TERMS OF, THEY, THEY, THEY, THEY'RE AFRAID THEY'RE GONNA BE UNFAIR IF THEY DON'T NAIL EVERYTHING DOWN.

BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I, I, I SEE A USE FOR FEATHER FLAGS.

IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A GOOD WAY TO, UH, I I THINK THEY DO GET PEOPLE'S ATTENTION.

UM, AND, AND THE SAME WITH MR. BALLOON GUY.

I, I THINK HE DRAWS ATTENTION AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE INTENT.

UH, BUT DO YOU WANT TO LEAVE HIM OUT THERE ALL THE TIME? PROBABLY NOT.

AND THEN THE, THE, WHAT THE THING THAT REALLY HIT ME IS, SO IF I'M A BUSINESS OWNER AND I WANT TO HAVE A SALE, I HAVE TO PRE-PLAN THAT SO I HAVE TIME TO RUN AND GET MY, MY SIGN PERMIT SO I CAN PUT MY TEMPORARY SIGN OUT THERE ABOUT MY RIGHT.

SO I'M, I'M GONNA LOOK TO SARAH, WHO I'LL INTRODUCE LATER A TEMPORARY SIGN PERMIT OVER THE COUNTER.

CORRECT.

SO OVER THE COUNTER PERMIT.

YOU WANNA DO A SALE, YOU COME IN.

OH YEAH.

YOU CAN APPLY FOR THE PERMIT AND GET IT.

UM, JOHN, I SEE YOUR LIGHT.

OH, IT'S CLAY'S LIGHT.

THIS BLINK.

ME THIS TIME.

UH, JUST, I, I HIGH LEVEL, I, WHAT, WHAT WAS THE REASON THIS ALL STARTED? LIKE, WHY WE'RE, WE'RE PARTICULARLY BANNING THESE TWO THINGS? 'CAUSE I'VE SEEN IT AT A COUPLE.

I KNOW, UM, WHAT'S THE CHURCH ON 3 0 0 9 THAT DOES AN EVENT LIKE ONCE A MONTH AND THEY HAVE SOME SIGNS OUT? I CROSSPOINT.

I THINK FUNDAMENTALLY RIGHT, IT'S, THAT'S CROSSPOINT AND BRIAN WOULD, WOULD PROBABLY HOPEFULLY ECHO, IT'S THE POLICY QUESTION OF WHAT DO WE WANT THE CITY TO LOOK LIKE? WHAT, WHAT DO WE WANT THE CITY ASSURANCE TO LOOK LIKE? AND I, I'M KICKING MYSELF THAT I TOOK THE PICTURES OUT OF THIS, THIS PRESENTATION, BUT MY PRESENTATION AT COUNCIL SAM WENT TO ONE STREET IN SAN ANTONIO, AND WITHIN ONE MILE THERE WERE SO MANY SIGN, SO MANY FEATHER FLAGS AND BALLOON GUYS, RIGHT? IS THAT WHAT WE WANT SHIRTS TO LOOK LIKE? THE FEATHER FLAGS THE BALLOON GUYS, THEY QUICKLY DETERIORATE.

AND THEN YOU HAVE THESE SIGNS UP, WHICH IF WE ALLOWED THEM RIGHT, THEY COULD HAVE 'EM UP FOR 180 DAYS.

I DON'T KNOW OF A FEATHER FLAG THAT WOULD PROBABLY MAINTAIN ITS, YOU KNOW, QUALITY OF LIFE FOR 180 DAYS.

SO IT'S, IT'S TRULY THAT FUNDAMENTAL POLICY QUESTION OF WHAT DO WE WANT THE VISION AND, AND THE FIELD OF CHURCH AND, AND EMILY'S CORRECT, I THINK, UM, WHAT I GOT THE, THE CONSENSUS OF CITY COUNCIL IS THEY JUST DIDN'T LIKE THE AESTHETICS OF, UM, THE FEATHER FLAGS AND THE BALLOON.

UM, THE EIGHT FOOT BLOW UP GORILLA WAS MENTIONED A COUPLE TIMES.

UM, THEY JUST, AND, AND, AND THEY HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT MAINTENANCE, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE STICK THOSE FEATHER FLAGS OUT THERE.

AND THEN AS EMILY SAID, THEY JUST, THEY, THEY START TO TATTER AND FADE AND, UH, NOBODY DOES ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

SO AESTHETICS HAD A LOT TO DO WITH IT, CLAY.

SO, BUT THEN THAT, THE THOUGHT OF HAVING IT, I MEAN, WE'RE SET ASSUMING A MAXIMUM OF 180 DAYS, THAT THOUGHT WASN'T, WELL, LET'S LOWER THAT NUMBER.

NO, THE THOUGHT WAS, LET'S INCREASE THE TEMPORARY, OTHER TEMPORARY SIGNS, INCREASE THE AREA AND THE HEIGHT AND PROHIBIT THEM THAT THAT WAS THE, THE CONSENSUS.

THEY'RE NEEDED SOMEWHAT JUST TO BRING ATTENTION TO THE BUSINESS.

AS A BUSINESS OWNER, I'LL TELL YOU, THE FEATHER FLAGS REALLY HELP.

UH, WE USE THEM QUITE A BIT.

UH, WHEN WE HAD OUR ICE CREAM SHOP, ALSO THE FOOD TRUCK, BUT WE TOOK THEM DOWN EVERY DAY.

WE DIDN'T KEEP 'EM OUT.

UM, WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, SO THEY WERE WELL MAINTAINED.

SO I THINK THERE'S THAT OPPORTUNITY THERE, AND THEY DO ATTRACT ATTENTION.

UM, I DO THINK FOR A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER,

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UM, INITIALLY, I GUESS THEY CAN ACCOMPLISH THAT WITH FLAT SIGN, BUT IT ALSO DEPENDS ON HOW YOU'RE ABLE TO PUT, PUT THAT IF IT'S FLAT ON THE BUILDING, IT'S NOT AS NOTICEABLE AS A FEATHER FLAG THAT'S WAVING THAT CAN GRAB THE ATTENTION.

UM, YOU KNOW, SO I SEE IT FROM BOTH SIDES, BUT I DON'T SEE A LOT OF FEATHER FLAGS.

BUT I MEAN, IF I SEE 'EM, IT'S USUALLY LIKE IN FRONT OF A FOOD TRUCK.

UM, BUT I DON'T SEE THEM LIKE A HUNDRED WITHIN A MILE, LIKE YOU SEE IN SAN ANTONIO.

I DON'T SEE THAT HERE.

SO I, I REALLY DON'T SEE IT AS A, AN ISSUE.

AND I'VE ONLY EVER SEEN MAYBE TWO OF THESE GUYS.

UM, I'VE SEEN, THERE'S ONE I'VE, I, I SEE QUITE OFTEN NOW, BUT IT'S NEW.

UM, BUT FOR ME PERSONALLY, IT, IT'S NO BOTHER TO SEE THOSE.

I CAN SEE THOUGH, IF THEY'RE TATTERED AND TORN, I MEAN, IF THEY WERE ABLE TO DO A, A SHORTER, UM, YOU CAN HAVE, HAVE A FEATHER FLAG, BUT YOU NEED TO PUT IT AWAY.

I KNOW THAT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE AT THIS POINT, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE DID.

WE WOULD POST IT EVERY DAY.

WE PUT IT UP BECAUSE WE WANTED TO MAINTAIN THE INVESTMENT IN THOSE FLAGS THAT WE HAD.

AND I ALSO DID HAVE THE CITY COME AND TELL ME TO TAKE HIM DOWN ONCE, BUT THAT WAS FOR MY REAL ESTATE.

SO, YOU KNOW, I SEE BOTH SIDES OF IT.

BUT, WELL, AND, AND HAVING BEEN, YOU KNOW, BEEN AROUND SHIRTS FOR A WHILE NOW, UM, I, THIS LITTLE RETAIL CENTER THAT'S NEXT TO US OVER HERE, UM, THAT HOUSE AT HAWAIIAN KITCHEN, THAT'S ABOUT THE SIXTH OR SEVENTH TENANT THAT'S BEEN IN THAT SPACE.

AND, UH, HONESTLY, I THINK PART OF THE PROBLEM IS PEOPLE DRIVE BY AND YOU, YOU, THEY'RE, THEY'RE REALLY NOT SEEING, UM, THE BUSINESSES.

YOU KNOW, UM, AMER, UM, AMERICANA COFFEE DOWN THERE ON, ON MAIN STREET, IT SITS BACK OFF THE ROAD AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA KNOW WHAT'S THERE.

UM, SO, UM, A AGAIN, A A TOTAL PROHIBITION ON, ON EYE CATCHING THINGS, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, I I, I UNDERSTAND WHERE SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE COMING FROM ABOUT HOW THEY CAN, HOW THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, GET UGLY IN THAT.

UM, AND I, I DON'T KNOW IF, UM, AGAIN, YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, YOU, 'CAUSE YOU CAN REALLY GET IN THE WEEDS, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO WRITE THESE THINGS AND, AND MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY AND YOU, AND YOU AND YOU JUST CAN'T.

UM, BUT, UM, MR. OUTLAW, HANG ON JUST A SECOND.

I'M JUST, MY, MY, MY BRAIN IS, YEAH, I THINK, RICHARD, YOU LET RICHARD DO YOU MY LIGHT BLINK? YEAH, I SEE HIS LIGHT'S BLINKING.

SO I LIKE IT BECAUSE IT MAKES THINGS SIMPLER.

SO GOOD ON THE RED LINE VERSION OF THIS THING.

BUT THE TOPIC OF SIGNS HAS BEEN A, A VERY HEATED AT TIMES, BUT A VERY, VERY HIGH PRIORITY INTEREST TOPIC EVER SINCE I'VE BEEN COMING INTO THESE CHAMBERS AS A CITIZEN AND AS A P AND Z MEMBER FOR EVER SINCE I MOVED HERE 20 SOMETHING YEARS AGO.

AND THE EXAMPLE THAT HAD BEEN USED CONSTANTLY IN THE PAST WAS, WE DON'T WANT TO BE UNIVERSAL CITY.

AND PAT BOOKER ROAD HATS OFF TO PAT BOOKER, THAT'S NOT A, IF ANYBODY FROM UNIVERSAL CITY'S WATCHING THIS, HATS OFF TO UNIVERSAL CITY FOR MAKING SOME VERY NICE CHANGES TO PAT BOOKER.

PAT BOOKER IS WAY DIFFERENT NOW THAN IT WAS 10 YEARS AGO, BUT 10, 15, 20 YEARS AGO, YOU DRIVE DOWN PAT BOOKER AND IT WAS, IT WASN'T VERY ATTRACTIVE.

AND PART OF THE REASON WAS A LOT OF THESE CRAZY SIGNS THAT SHIRT SAYS, WE'RE NOT DOING THAT.

SO IT, IT WAS FOR PARTICULAR REASONS AND, AND GOOD REASONS BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, 20 YEARS AGO, PAT BOOKER WAS NOT VERY ATTRACTIVE.

AND UNIVERSAL CITY I THINK REALIZED THAT.

AND THEY'VE MADE A LOT OF CHANGES.

AND NOW PAT BOOKER ROAD IS A PRETTY DECENT STREET RIGHT NOW.

SO, UH, THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THIS STUFF HAS COME FROM.

WE'VE SPENT, I'VE SPENT HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS ON SIGNS ON PREVIOUS P AND Z MEETINGS YEARS AGO.

SO THIS ONE'S EASY.

I I KIND OF LIKE THIS ONE.

, I LIKE A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE P-L-C-P-A 2 0 2 4 0 3 0 0 SECOND.

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OH, YOU PUT THE WRONG ONE.

P-L-U-D-C 2 24 98 SECOND.

I STAND CORRECTED.

MR. WALLACE.

ALRIGHT, I, I, BEFORE WE VOTE, I JUST, UM, I'D JUST LIKE TO ADD AGAIN, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAD SOME COMMENTS.

UM, I, I DON'T, YOU KNOW THE MOTION IS, IS IS TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF WHAT YOU'VE GOT HERE, UM, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL ASKED FOR.

BUT, BUT POSSIBLY, MAYBE IT'S, WE'VE GIVEN THEM A COUPLE OF THINGS TO THINK ABOUT, UM, WHEN THEY DO TAKE IT UP.

SO ANYBODY ELSE? ALRIGHT, I HAD, I HAD ONE QUESTION.

THIS A CONCERN.

CAN, CAN CONCERN POLITICAL SIGNS AT ALL.

THAT IS A SEPARATE SEPARATE DEAL.

UM, RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL.

ANYBODY ELSE? ALL RIGHT.

PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.

NONE OPPOSED THAT MOTION PASSES.

THANK YOU, EMILY.

OKAY, ITEM NUMBER SIX, REQUEST

[A. Requests by Commissioners to place items on a future Planning and Zoning Agenda]

AND ANNOUNCEMENTS.

REQUEST BY COMMISSIONERS TO PLACE ITEMS ON A FUTURE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENDA.

ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING? NO, SIR.

OH, I, WELL, UM, I WAS JUST GONNA ASK FOR THE STATUS.

I KNOW WE HAD TALKED A COUPLE MONTHS AGO ABOUT, UM, LOOKING AT IF ANY COMMERCIAL AND, AND IF ANY OTHER ZONING DISTRICTS WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR A MIXED USE OR MIXED USE MIXING USES.

I KNOW STAFF, STAFF HAD SAID THEY WERE WORKING ON IT, JUST SEEING IF THERE'S ANY UPDATE.

UM, SO I'M NOT SURE I, IS IT OKAY TO JUST, WE'RE WE'RE WORK, WE'RE STILL WORKING ON IT.

UH, WE'RE LOOKING, WHAT WE'VE KIND OF STUMBLED INTO IS, UH, A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A UDC REWRITE THAN WE WERE THINKING.

SO IT'S NOT QUITE AS SIMPLE AS JUST ADDING A COUPLE THINGS TO THE PERMITTED USE TABLE, RIGHT? THERE'S SIGNAGE, THERE'S PARKING, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT WE KIND OF GOTTA THINK ABOUT.

SO ESSENTIALLY WE'RE WORKING ON IT AND, UH, UH, WE WILL UPDATE YOU.

COOL.

AND THEN WHEN WE HAVE SOMETHING FOR YOU, THAT'S GOOD.

RICHARD? YES.

UH, AS REFERENCED PREVIOUSLY ON, ON, UH, ITEM B, I THINK IT WAS, UM, TO HAVE STAFF WORK ON, UH, ON GIVING US A DISCUSSION OR A WORKSHOP OR POSSIBLE ACTION ITEM ON TAKING PROACTIVE ACTION TO DESIGNATE THE APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR PROPERTY IN THE A PZ ONE AND TWO AREAS NORTH OF RANDOLPH, BETWEEN MASSIE AND SAVANNAH.

AND ALSO POSSIBLE CHANGES OR UPDATES TO THE MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLAN.

THEIR WRITING.

ANYBODY ELSE? LEMME ASK FOR A QUICK QUESTION HERE.

DO YOU, DO YOU GUYS KEEP A LIST OR DO YOU JUST NOD YOUR HEAD AND THEN IGNORE US? I, OKAY.

I'LL TELL YOU A STORY ONE DAY.

ANNOUNCEMENTS BY COMMISSIONERS.

UH, SIX B

[B. Announcements by Commissioners City and community events attended and to be attended Continuing education events attended and to be attended]

ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING DONE? ANYTHING EXCITING? NO.

CAN KNOW.

MARATHON? OH, PLEASE.

IF, IF I COULD COME, UH, CHAIR.

OH YEAH, A MARATHON.

UM, I DIDN'T SAY THIS LAST TIME.

I WAS APPRECIATIVE STAFF OF GETTING TO GO TO THE, UM, A PA CONFERENCE.

GOT A LOT OF GREAT INFORMATION.

UM, JUST A GREAT TIME.

SO THAT'S IT.

CITY STAFF.

[C. Announcements by City Staff. City and community events attended and to be attended.]

OOH, WE'VE GOT SOMETHING TONIGHT.

COOL.

SO THE COMMISSION MAY HAVE NOTICED A NEW FRIENDLY FACE SITTING WITH THE PLANNING STAFF.

THIS IS SARAH RODRIGUEZ.

SHE'S ACTUALLY BEEN WITH THE CITY FOR TWO YEARS, UM, WAS PREVIOUSLY A PERMIT TECH AND WAS JUST RECENTLY PROMOTED TO THE PLANNING COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ADMIN ASSISTANT.

SO WANTED TO INTRODUCE Y'ALL TO SARAH .

WELCOME.