* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. IS [00:00:03] ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU ALL FOR [1. CALL TO ORDER / ROLL CALL THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING ] COMING THIS EVENING. I'LL CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. IT IS, UH, 6:00 PM UM, BEFORE WE MOVE ON, UM, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT WE HAVE TWO SEPARATE MEETINGS THIS EVENING. THE FIRST ONE THAT I JUST CALLED THE ORDER IS THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ADVISORY COMMITTEE. AND IT'S BASICALLY PNZ PLUS A COUPLE MORE FOLKS. AND WHAT WE'LL DO THIS EVENING IS RECEIVE THE SEMI-ANNUAL REPORT ON THOSE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS AND EXPENDITURES. UH, ONCE WE FINISHED THAT, UH, WE'LL PROBABLY PAUSE FOR A COUPLE OF MINUTES TO GIVE MR. JONES A CHANCE TO, UM, TO, TO STEP DOWN, AND THEN I WILL CALL THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER. OKAY. SO, UH, SO ITEM [2. SEAT ALTERNATE TO ACT IF REQUIRED ] NUMBER TWO OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS DE SEAT ALTERNATE. UM, MS. CRAIG IS WITH US THIS EVENING HEARING [3. HEARING OF RESIDENTS] OF RESIDENCE. DID ANYBODY SIGN UP FOR THIS MEETING? NOBODY. OKAY. NO EMAILS OR TEXTS OR ANYTHING AND, AND THIS MEETING WON'T TAKE VERY LONG. ALRIGHT. SO IF YOU'LL JUST BEAR WITH US. ALRIGHT. [4. PUBLIC HEARING] ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOUR A. WE WILL HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING, CONSIDER AND FILE THE SEMI-ANNUAL REPORT, EVALUATING THE PROGRESS OF THE CITY ON ACHIEVING THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM, AND IDENTIFYING ANY PROBLEMS IN IMPLEMENTING THE PLANS OR ADMINISTERING THE CAPITAL RECOVERY FEES. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING COMMITTEE MEMBERS. UM, KATHY WOODLEY, CITY ENGINEER. UM, THOUGHT I'D DO SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WE'VE DONE BEFORE. I HAVE A POWERPOINT TO, UH, BE ABLE TO TICK THROUGH THESE THINGS MORE QUICKLY. I GUESS YOU'VE GOT THE, UM, SPREADSHEETS THAT JAMES PUTS TOGETHER WITH THE FINANCIALS ON IT. AND I'M GONNA GO THROUGH THE PROJECTS AND SINCE WE HAVE A BIG GROUP HERE I DO AND, AND SOME NEW FOLKS, UM, WHO WEREN'T, UH, PART OF THIS COMMITTEE PREVIOUSLY. THE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH ARE ONLY THE CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT ARE FUNDED THROUGH CAPITAL RECOVERY FUNDS. SO THE IMPACT FEES THAT WE TAKE IN FOR WATER, SEWER, AND ROADS ARE USED TO FUND, UH, SOME OF THESE MAJOR PROJECTS. SO THIS ISN'T ALL THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, UH, GOING ON IN THE CITY, BUT THEY'RE THE ONES FUNDED, UH, THAT YOU GUYS HAVE SOME, UH, SAY ABOUT. SO WITH THAT, THIS, UH, REPORT COVERS THE SECOND HALF OF FISCAL YEAR 23, SO THAT'S APRIL 1ST THROUGH SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2023. SO IT IS A LITTLE BIT DATED. WE SHOULD BE COMING WITH A REPORT FOR THE FIRST HALF OF FISCAL YEAR 24 IN ANOTHER, UH, MONTH OR TWO. UH, SO THE WATER FUND EXPENSES, WE HAD FOUR OF THEM, AND I'LL GO THROUGH EACH ONE. UH, CORBETT GROUND STORAGE TANK IS AT THE END OF RAY CORBETT DRIVE. WE BUILT AN ELEVATED STORAGE TANK YEARS AGO. NOW WE'RE WORKING ON THE GROUND STORAGE TANK. THAT PROJECT HAS BEEN DELAYED, UH, BECAUSE IT'S ALSO PARTIALLY FUNDED BY A $3.5 MILLION GRANT THAT WE GOT, UM, UH, FROM CONGRESSIONAL, UM, FUNDING ALLOCATION. UH, AND THERE'S BEEN A QUITE A BIT OF RED TAPE THAT WE'VE STRUGGLED TO GET THROUGH, BUT WE'RE MOST OF THE WAY THROUGH THAT NOW. WE HAVE GONE AHEAD AND MOBILIZED THE CONTRACTOR TO THE SITE AND, UM, GIVEN A LITTLE PLUG TO OUR ENGINEERING GROUP THERE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAW US IN THE COVER OF THE MAGAZINE, BUT IT'S KIND OF EXCITING. SO THE SITE WE'RE STANDING AT IS THE SITE OF THE GROUND STORAGE TANK. UH, SO IN, DURING THE PERIOD APRIL 1ST TO SEPTEMBER 30TH, 641,000 PLUS, UH, WERE EXPENDED ON THIS PROJECT. UM, WE CONTINUE AND WE'RE GETTING VERY CLOSE TO THE END OF THE CITYWIDE MASTER PLAN AND IMPACT FEE UPDATE. UM, YOU'LL SEE SOMETHING SIMILAR UNDER WASTEWATER EXPENSES. IT'S BEING FUNDED BY IMPACT FEES AND THE STUDY WILL COME UP WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR UPDATING THOSE IMPACT FEES. UM, DURING THIS PERIOD, WE HAD $10,000 IN EXPENSES ON THAT PROGRAM. UH, WE HAVE A PROJECT THAT IS, UH, WATER LOOP LINES BETWEEN WHERE SEIN AND LOWER SEIN. SO SEE IF YOU CAN FOLLOW MY CURSOR UP HERE. IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE. SO IT'LL CONNECT A MAIN HERE AND A MAIN HERE. AND THEN ALSO MAKE A CONNECTION OF THESE TWO MAINS DOWN HERE. UM, SO WE HAVE THE DESIGN NEARLY COMPLETE AND WE ARE WORKING ON ACQUIRING EASEMENTS FOR THOSE LINES. WE ALSO, UM, SAW THE COMPLETION OF A WATER DISTRIBUTION MAIN FROM FRED COUPLES OVER HERE THROUGH THE HOMESTEAD SUBDIVISION. UM, TO THIS, ACTUALLY, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, IS SCHWAB ROAD. IT WILL EVENTUALLY BE CONNECTED FROM HERE UP TO 35, BUT THIS IS A SECTION THAT THE HOMESTEAD DEVELOPMENT CONSTRUCTED. [00:05:01] SO THIS, UH, ULTIMATELY WILL PROVIDE A SECONDARY FEED FROM, UH, THIS PART OF TOWN UP TO, IT'LL ACTUALLY BE COMPLETED ALL THE WAY TO ECKERD ROAD, UH, SEWER FUND EXPENSES. WE HAVE, UH, LESS PROJECTS THERE, BUT PROBABLY MORE EXPENSES. WOMAN HOLLERING CREEK WASTEWATER PROJECT IS STILL GOING ON. IT'S NEAR IN COMPLETION. UM, HERE WE'RE SHOWING A PICTURE OF, OF SOME OF THE PIPE ABOVE GROUND PIPING AT THE LIFT STATION. UM, AND WE EXPENDED $1.5 MILLION ON, UH, MOSTLY CONSTRUCTION DURING THE REPORTING PERIOD. AND HERE WE ARE AGAIN FOR WASTEWATER. THE MASTER PLAN AND IMPACT FEE UPDATE. WE'RE DOING THEM AS ONE PROJECT, BUT THE EXPENSES ARE SPLIT BETWEEN THE TWO. SO WE SPENT $16,000 ON THAT ONE DURING THE PERIOD. ROADWAY FUND EXPENSES, WE ONLY HAVE ONE, AND THAT WAS $152,000 TO PURCHASE THIS SMALL PIECE OF PROPERTY HERE. I BELIEVE THERE WAS A TRAILER ON IT BEFORE THE TRAILER MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE BEEN REMOVED BY NOW. UM, BUT IN ANY CASE, THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY WAS AVAILABLE, IT'S NOT PARTICULARLY USEFUL. AND WHEN WE DO NEED TO ACQUIRE ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY, UH, FOR LOWER SEINEN ROAD FOR THE WIDENING THAT WILL COME IN THE FUTURE, THAT WOULD PRETTY MUCH WIPE OUT MOST OF THAT TRACT AND MAKE IT UNUSABLE. SO WE WERE ABLE TO JUST PURCHASE IT. UM, AND SO WE TRY TO DO THAT WHEN THERE'S PROPERTY THAT WE WILL NEED AT LEAST PART OF FOR FUTURE PROJECTS. PICK 'EM UP WHEN WE CAN INSTEAD OF HAVING TO WAIT AND POSSIBLY GO TO EMINENT DOMAIN IN THE FUTURE. UH, SO THOSE, THAT'S A RUNDOWN OF ALL THE PROJECTS, UH, FOR THE REPORTING PERIOD. ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, KATHY. ALRIGHT, THIS IS ON THE AGENDA AS A PUBLIC HEARING. SO IT IS NOW, UM, 6:07 PM IF THERE'S ANYONE THAT WOULD'VE LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMITTEE WITH, UH, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR COMMENTS ON THE REPORT, FEEL FREE TO STEP FORWARD. NOBODY, NOT A REAL INTERESTING SUBJECT. THAT'S TRUE. . SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA SHOW US THAT. HANG ON. ALL RIGHT. GOING ONCE TWICE. ALRIGHT. CLOSE. AND IT IS STILL 6:07 PM . ALL RIGHTY. FOR THE COMMITTEE. QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? YOU WEREN'T, YOU WEREN'T GONNA BOTHER US WITH THE SPREADSHEETS AND THE DOLLAR VALUES AND NO, NOT GOING TO. YOU CAN READ THOSE . I LOOKED AT THEM. GO AHEAD. UM, FOR THE FIRST ONE YOU SAID YOU ARE PAST THE RED TAPE OR GETTING THROUGH IT? WE'RE GETTING THROUGH IT, YES. SO WHAT'S LEFT OR? YES. SO WE HAVE A CONSULTANT WORKING TO HELP PUT TOGETHER THE FINAL PLANS THAT WE NEEDED. WHAT HAPPENED WAS THEY, UM, HAD AN INFLUX OF FUNDING SELECTED PROJECTS, TOLD US ALL WE'RE GIVING YOU MONEY FOR YOUR PROJECT, BUT THEY DIDN'T TELL US WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO TO GET THAT MONEY. AND SO LITTLE BY LITTLE WE'VE BEEN SUBMITTING THINGS, SUBMITTING THINGS. WE HAD A, A LONG PERIOD OF TIME WHERE WE HAD TO WAIT BECAUSE THEY HAD SENT A QUESTION UP TO THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET IN WASHINGTON AND WE HAD TO WAIT FOR ANSWERS FROM THEM. UM, WE HAD TO REQUEST WAIVERS FOR THE, UM, BUY AMERICA BUILD AMERICA AND AMERICA IRON AND STEEL, UM, REQUIREMENTS. AND THOSE WAIVERS DID COME THROUGH, UH, WHICH SAVES US SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. UM, SO I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT EVERY I HAS BEEN DOTTED AND T HAS BEEN CROSSED, BUT WE ARE TO THE POINT WHERE WE ARE COLLECTING THE INFORMATION WE NEED AND MAKING SURE THE PROJECT'S BEING DONE PROPERLY SO WE WILL BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE REIMBURSEMENT. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. , GO AHEAD. WHEN DO YOU EXPECT THE MASTER PLAN TO BE DONE AND, AND THE REVIEW OF THE IMPACT STUDY IMPACT FEE STUDY. SO WE WILL LIKELY BE CALLING A MEETING OF THIS COMMITTEE IN, I BELIEVE MAY MM-HMM. TO GO OVER THE PLAN AND RECEIVE ANY COMMENTS. UH, AND THEN AFTER THAT, OF COURSE, GO TO CITY COUNCIL, PROBABLY THE MIDDLE OF JULY. AND PART OF THE MASTER PLAN IS [00:10:01] GONNA BE AN IMPACT FEE. CORRECT? THANK YOU. CORRECT. RIGHT. UH, ARE WE ACTUALLY, UH, DO WE APPROVE THIS OR WE RECOMMEND IT? WHAT DO WE, WHICH DO WE DO HERE? LI RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO COUNSEL. RECOMMEND ACCEPTANCE. CORRECT. WE'RE NOT APPROVING IT BECAUSE IT IS GOTCHA. IT IS WHAT IT IS. BUT YOU COMMEND IT'S THAT'S RIGHT. ACCEPTANCE. OKAY. SO IF, IF NO ONE ELSE HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, IF SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, RECOMMEND ACCEPTING, UM, I'VE ALREADY LOST IT, BUT ACCEPTING THE, THE REPORT IS PRESENTED THIS EVENING, I RECOMMEND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO, TO APPROVE THE REPORT AS RECEIVED. I'LL SECOND. I A SECOND CAME FROM BRIAN. OKAY. AND JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT, I THINK THE CORRECT WORD IS RECOMMEND ACCEPTANCE. IS THAT ALL RIGHT WITH YOU, MR. CARONE? OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO RECOMMEND ACCEPTANCE OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS COURT, UH, REPORT TO CITY COUNCIL. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT, FOR THIS ONE, WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE VOICE VOTE. SO IF WE WILL START OVER AT THIS END IN FAVOR, AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. SO IF I COUNTED RIGHT, THAT'S, UH, THAT'S SIX AYES. NONE OPPOSED THAT MOTION PASSES. RIGHT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO, UM, ITEM NUMBER [5. ADJOURNMENT OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING ] FIVE IS THE ADJOURNMENT OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING AT 6:12 PM MR. JONES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALRIGHT, GIVE US JUST A COUPLE MINUTES TO SHIFT GEARS HERE. OKAY. [1. CALL TO ORDER / ROLL CALL THE REGULAR PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION MEETING ] UH, LET'S CALL IT, UH, SIX 13 AND I'LL OPEN. THIS IS THE MARCH 6TH, 2024, REGULAR MEETING OF THE SHE'S PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. UM, COMMISSIONER BROWN HAS JOINED US, SO WE NOW HAVE, UH, SIX UP HERE. UH, ITEM NUMBER [2. SEAT ALTERNATE TO ACT IF REQUIRED ] TWO, AGAIN, IS THIS SEAT AN ALTERNATE? MS. CRAIG WILL STAY WITH US. ITEM NUMBER THREE IS A HEARING OF [3. HEARING OF RESIDENTS] RESIDENCE. WELL, THIS TIME IS SET ASIDE FOR ANY PERSON WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION. EACH PERSON SHOULD FILL OUT THE SPEAKER'S REGISTER PRIOR TO THE MEETING. PRESENTATION SHOULD BE LIMITED TO NO MORE THAN THREE MINUTES. DISCUSSION BY THE COMMISSION OF ANY ITEM NOT ON THE AGENDA SHALL BE LIMITED TO STATEMENTS OF SPECIFIC FACTUAL INFORMATION GIVEN IN RESPONSE TO ANY INQUIRY, A RECITATION OF EXISTING POLICY IN RESPONSE TO AN INQUIRY AND OR A PROPOSAL TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA. THE PRESIDING OFFICER DURING ANY RESIDENCE PORTION OF THE AGENDA WILL CALL ON THOSE WHO HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK IN THE ORDER THEY HAVE REGISTERED. OKAY, LET'S SEE WHAT WE'VE GOT HERE. I HAVE TWO, FOUR, I HAVE SIX NAMES. UH, ONE WAS CROSSED OUT AND, UH, YOU'VE ALL INDICATED THAT YOU WANT TO SPEAK. I THINK ABOUT THE, LOOKS LIKE THE IRISH CREEK, UM, PROJECT. SO AS, AS MR. JONES OR JONES AS MR. JAMES EXPLAINED TO YOU AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, YOU ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO SPEAK. NOW WHEN WE GET TO THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT TO SIGN UP. SO DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING, ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO SPEAK MAY, MAY, MAY, UM, COME TO THIS DAY AND GIVE US YOUR COMMENTS. SO, UM, YOU HAVE THE OPTION, YOU CAN DO BOTH. OR WHEN I, UH, OR YOU CAN WAIT AND SPEAK DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO AS I CALL YOUR NAME, IF YOU JUST LET ME KNOW IF YOU, IF YOU WANNA SPEAK, COME ON UP. FIRST THING I NEED WHEN YOU GET HERE IS YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. RECORD PLEASE. BARBARA WARGO. LATER COME ON UP. [00:15:05] OKAY. UM, MY NAME'S BARBARA WARGO. I LIVE AT 3 5 1 3 BLUE MOON SPUR IN SELMA. I'M IN THE, UM, KENSINGTON RANCH, AND I VEHEMENTLY OPPOSE YOUR, UM, FIVE A ON YOUR AGENDA. UM, AS WITH MANY PEOPLE HERE, I MOVED TO KENSINGTON RANCH BECAUSE IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED. UM, DIVI UM, HOUSING DEVELOPMENT SAFETY, UM, WAS A BIG ISSUE FOR ME. UM, IT HAS GREAT ACCESS TO, UM, PUBLIC SERVICES. UM, I CAME FROM AN ABUSIVE MARRIAGE AND, UM, RESPONSE TIME FOR POLICE AMBULANCES WAS REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME AND THAT'S FANTASTIC. CAN YOU, THERE YOU GO. UM, I HAVE A GREAT CONCERN THAT WITH THIS REZONING, IT'S GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING INTO THE AREA THAT ARE GONNA BE TRANSIENT 'CAUSE IT'S ALL, UM, RENTAL UNITS. UM, THEY ARE NOT GONNA HAVE AS MUCH PRIDE OF PROPERTY AS THE PROPERTY OWNERS DO. OUR HOA REALLY HELPS TO ENFORCE KEEPING OUR PROPERTIES AT A CERTAIN VALUE. OUR PROPERTY VALUES GO UP WITH ALL THESE RENTAL PROPERTIES THERE. OUR PROPERTY VALUES WILL LIKELY GO DOWN WITH SUCH A DRAIN OF RESOURCES. I THINK THEY PLAN ON PUTTING CLOSE TO 500 UNITS. UM, OUR PROPERTY TAXES ARE PROBABLY GONNA GO UP WHILE OUR PROPERTY VALUES GO DOWN. UM, THE TRAFFIC DUMPING ONTO SAVANNAH DRIVE IS GONNA BE RIDICULOUS. 1518 IS ALREADY OVERRUN BECAUSE OF THE DEVELOPMENTS HAVE GONE OUT, GONE, UM, THAT HAVE GONE THAT UP THAT ALREADY DUMP ONTO 1518. IT CAN TAKE A HALF HOUR TO GET FROM SAVANNAH UP TO THE HIGHWAY ALREADY. AND THEN IF YOU FIND, IF YOU TRY TO GO UP SAVANNAH NOW WITH 500 MORE FAMILIES TRYING TO GO SAVANNAH TO GET UP TO SHIRTZ PARKWAY AND OUT, THAT'S GONNA BE RIDICULOUS. I SUSPECT THAT CRIME WITH A TRANSIT POPULATION IS GONNA REALLY INCREASE RESPONSE TIME FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES IF THEY'RE GONNA BE TAKEN UP, CONTINUALLY GOING OVER TO THAT DEVELOPMENT TO RESPOND TO US IS GONNA BE RIDICULOUS. SO I HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC. OUR SCHOOLS ARE ALREADY OVERCROWDED. IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THAT MANY KIDS DUMPING INTO ALREADY PASCHAL ELEMENTARY WILDER, UM, OUR HIGH CLEMENS HIGH SCHOOL, WE CAN'T SUPPORT IT. AND I HAVE MANY, MANY CONCERNS. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP LIVING IN PEACE IN MY SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING WITHOUT THE CONCERN OF THIS HUGE CONGLOMERATION OF RENTAL, UH, PROPERTIES GOING UP NEAR US. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. ALL RIGHT, PLEASE. UM, UH, YOU'RE WASTING YOUR OWN TIME. OKAY. I I, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU ALL ARE ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT THIS. UM, BUT ALL THAT APPLAUSE IS NOT GONNA ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING AND IT'S, IT JUST DRAGS THE MEETING OUT EVEN FURTHER. UM, REAL QUICK, YOU MIGHT HAVE NOTICED, UH, WHEN MS. VARGO WAS UP HERE, UM, AFTER YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS, THAT LITTLE GREEN LIGHT SHOULD COME ON AND THREE MINUTES LATER THE LITTLE RED LIGHT WILL COME ON. SO, UM, IF YOU'RE STILL TALKING WHEN THE RED LIGHT COMES ON, IF YOU'D PLEASE JUST TRY TO WRAP IT UP FOR US. ALRIGHT. UM, NEXT UP IS, UM, JOHN, I CAN'T, I'M SORRY I CAN'T READ YOUR LAST NAME FROM, UM, RUSTIC WILLOW. MY NAME IS JOHN CLARK AT 3 47 RUSTIC WILLOW IN SELMA. I'M LIVING KENNINGTON RANCH. I'M ALSO THE PRESIDENT OF OUR HOA AND BASICALLY COME HERE TO, UH, TO SAY THAT WE ARE THE MAJOR, OUR BOARD OF DIRECTORS, AND ONE OF 'EM IS, I BELIEVE BOTH OF 'EM ARE HERE WITH ME TONIGHT, ARE AGAINST THIS PROPOSAL FOR SEVERAL REASONS. AND I THINK I REPRESENT THE MAJORITY OF OUR HOMEOWNERS, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM BEHIND ME, REPRESENT THAT, UH, WE DO NOT WANT THIS TO HAPPEN. AND A YOUNG LADY THAT SPOKE BEFORE, I AGREE WITH ALL OF THE ASPECTS THAT SHE TALKED ABOUT. UH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE 916 HOMES IN, IN OUR HOA. SO THAT'S ONE CAR. AND THAT'S NOT, NOT VERY, NOT USUAL TODAY IN TODAY'S SOCIETY. SO IF YOU ADD 468 MORE TO THAT, THAT'S ABOUT ALMOST 1200 CARS. AND IF YOU COME DOWN TO ONE, ONE ENTRANCE RATE THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHICH IS ACROSS IRISH CREEK, WHICH IS ALSO A FLOODPLAIN, WHETHER ANYBODY KNOWS THAT OR NOT. SO IF THEY WANTED TO TAKE THE PROPERTY, I UNDERSTAND IS FROM OUR, FROM OUR ATTORNEY, WE CAN'T FIGHT THAT PART OF IT BECAUSE IT'S CONSIDERED A PUBLIC'S, A CERTAIN PORTION [00:20:01] OF THAT SECTION IS CONSIDERED PUBLIC PROPERTY, BUT WE MAINTAIN IT, WE CUT THE GRASS IN IT, AND WE DO EVERYTHING ELSE IN IT. SO MY POINT IS, WHY DO WE EVEN DO THAT IF IT BELONGS TO THE PUBLIC? LET THE CITY TAKE CARE OF IT. AND I WOULD THINK ALSO THAT WE SHOULD HAVE, UH, IF WE BUILD OR WANT TO BUILD A BRIDGE TO GET TO THEIR GATED COMMUNITY, UH, HAS ANY ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDY BEEN DONE? HAS A TRAFFIC STUDY BEEN DONE? AND BEFORE I CLOSE AND I WANNA SPEAK AGAIN AT THE, AT THE CLOSING, AT THE HEARING, I'VE ALSO KNOWN THAT, UH, HAS THE CITY OF SELMA BEEN NOTIFIED ABOUT THIS POSSIBLE REZONING AND WHAT IT WILL AFFECT THEIR COMMUNITY? THE CITY OF UNIVERSAL CITY, WHICH IS HERITAGE PARK, BELONGS TO UNIVERSAL, NOT TO THE CITY OF SHIRTZ. AND OF COURSE SHIRTZ KNOWS ABOUT IT, BUT I THINK THE CITY OR SOMEBODY FROM THE, FROM THE PLANNING SECTION SHOULD HAVE CALLED THOSE TWO CITY MANAGERS AND HAD A LITTLE TALK WITH THEM ABOUT WHAT, WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT. I THANK YOU AND UH, I'LL TALK TO YOU LATER ON. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SIR. UM, IS THIS KIP HOMESTEAD? YES. FIRST I'M GONNA SAY, UH, THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR TIME. UM, I'M PROBABLY THE MOST OUTSPOKEN OUT OF ALL THE PEOPLE IN KENTON RANCH. THEY ALL KNOW ME, UM, FOR THE MOST PART. BUT I WANNA, UH, TALK TO YOU MORE ON PARENT ROLE. MY KID, I LIVE, UH, ON 35 60 IRISH CREEK ROAD. SO DOWN THIS ROAD THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. ALRIGHT, FROM A PARENT STANDPOINT, I NEED TO INTERRUPT JUST A SECOND. I NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS REAL QUICK. UH, KIP HOMESTEAD. I LIVE ON 3 5 6 0 IRISH CREEK ROAD. THANK YOU, SIR. SO MY ROAD IS THE ONE THAT'S BEING DIRECTLY AFFECTED. I APOLOGIZE. MY CHILDREN WALK TO SCHOOL AND SO AS, AS PAT JUST SAID, NINE, UH, 468 HOMES ARE, OR, UH, APARTMENT HOMES ARE GONNA BE BUILT THERE. ON AVERAGE, MOST AMERICANS HAVE TWO TO THREE CARS. SO IF YOU DO THE STATISTICAL MAP, THAT'S 1200 ADDITIONAL VEHICLES COMING THROUGH. WE ALREADY HAVE ISSUES WITH CRIMES OF OPPORTUNITY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD OVER THE PAST SIX MONTHS. WE HAVE MULTIPLE BURGLARIES WITHIN OUR, IN OUR HOUSING AREA. AND SO WHAT I WANT TO IMPLORE TO YOU IS THINK ABOUT THIS ON A SAFETY SCALE. OUR CHILDREN ARE TRYING TO WALK TO A SCHOOL. IT GETS DARK EARLY. WE HAVE THAT MUCH MORE TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH, THAT MUCH MORE CRIME COMING THROUGH. AND I'M NOT AGAINST PROGRESSION. I, I ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE IN DEVELOPING THIS AREA, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THIS IS THE RIGHT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT FOR OUR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. I THINK THIS IS A HINDRANCE TO US AS A COMMUNITY, TO US AS A, AS A CITY. AND DOESN'T REALLY TAKE IN THE PERSONAL SIDE OF THIS. I THINK IT LOOKS MORE OF THAT, YES, IT'S FINANCIALLY GREAT, BUT IT DOESN'T TAKE IN THE, IN THE, THE IMPACT OF THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE HERE. OUR CHILDREN THAT HAVE TO WALK TO THESE SCHOOLS. WE JUST HAD A KID GET HIT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD FROM SOMEBODY SPEEDING THROUGH. WE HAVE THESE TYPE OF ISSUES ALREADY. SO IT'S ONLY GONNA GET EXACERBATED WHEN WE ADD 1200 MORE VEHICLES COMING THROUGH WHEN WE HAVE ADDITIONAL AREAS OF OPERATION OR OPERA, UH, OPPORTUNITIES FOR CRIME TO COME THROUGH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WILL BE GATED. OURS IS NOT. SO THINK ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT WERE COMING THROUGH FOR PARTIES AND ALL THESE THINGS, DRIVING HOME DRUNK. NOT SAYING THAT IT'S GONNA HAPPEN, BUT THE POSSIBILITY IT IS THERE. SO AS A FATHER OF FOUR, FOR MY KIDS THAT LIVE IN A DIFFERENT STATE, WHEN THEY COME IN THE SUMMERTIME, ARE THEY, ARE THEIR SAFETY GONNA BE THERE? THAT'S MY CONCERN. AND I JUST WANT TO, UH, EXPRESS THAT TO YOU. SO WHEN YOU GUYS DO VOTE ABOUT THIS REZONING, YOU CONSIDER THE FACT THAT WE ARE CONCERNED AS PARENTS. I'M A RETIRED AIR FORCE, UM, MEMBER. MY WIFE'S STILL ACTIVE DUTY, SO WE'RE GONNA BE HERE FOR TWO MORE YEARS. SO I WANNA THINK ABOUT THIS FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS. IS MY FAMILY GOING TO BE SAFE? AND WE HAVE THE, THE OPPORTUNITY NOW TO, TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO PREPARE TO KEEP THEM SAFE. AND I ASK YOU IF YOU ARE, IF YOU ARE FATHERS, MOTHERS TO CONSIDER THAT, WOULD YOU WANT YOUR CHILDREN TO BE WALKING WITH THIS MUCH MORE FOOT TRAFFIC, WITH THIS MUCH MORE TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH THE STREETS? 'CAUSE WE ALL KNOW PEOPLE ARE HUMAN. THEY'RE GONNA SPEED, THEY'RE GONNA DO THE NET NATURAL THINGS THAT THEY DO. SO I JUST IMPLORE YOU TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN YOU MAKE YOUR DECISION. AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ON THE LIST IS LYNN BAUER. AND AGAIN, NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE. SURE. MY NAME IS LYNN BAUER. I LIVE AT 3 6 0 4 SUN GLAD RANCH IN SHIRTZ. IT'S PART OF THE KENSINGTON RANCH ESTATES. THE ACCESS THAT I USE TO, UH, ENTER MY PROPERTY IS IRISH CREEK ROAD. [00:25:01] UH, I'M AGAINST THIS, UH, INITIATIVE TO ALLOW A REZONING OF THAT PARTICULAR AREA, BASICALLY BECAUSE WHEN I RETIRED FROM THE AIR FORCE, I AND MY WIFE SELECTED THAT AREA AS OUR RETIREMENT, UH, HOME. UH, TO ME IT'S AN INVESTMENT WHEN, UH, YOU DECIDE TO BUILD APARTMENTS, RENTAL PROPERTIES, UH, CLOSE TO US, TO ME THAT'S GOING TO DEVALUE THE INVESTMENT THAT I ALREADY HAVE IN PLACE. I PLAN TO DIE THERE. SO IT'S NOT LIKE I'M GONNA MOVE OUT IN TWO OR THREE YEARS. THAT IS MY, MY RESIDENCE THAT I WILL, UH, LIVE IN. UH, FOR THE REMAINING OF MY LIFE. I HAVE A CONCERN FOR THE SAFETY OF PEOPLE IN THE AREA. RECENTLY, WE'VE UH, NOTICED THAT THERE ARE MORE TRANSIENTS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, SOME ARE FALLING DOWN ON THE SIDEWALK AND FALLING ASLEEP. KIDS WALK ON THOSE SIDEWALKS GOING BACK AND FORTH TO SCHOOL. WHEN WE CALL THE POLICE, THE ONLY THING THAT THE POLICE CAN DO IS BASICALLY ASK THOSE FOLKS TO MOVE ALONG. MY WIFE HAS NOTICED, AND SHE'S CALLED THE SHEZ POLICE, ALSO, THAT ALONG SAVANNAH DRIVE WHERE THOSE, UH, STUDENTS WALK TO AND FROM SCHOOL, UH, THERE HAS BEEN CASES WHERE THERE ARE TRANSIENTS THAT ARE SLEEPING ON THE SIDEWALK. WE KNOW OUR COMMUNITY AS HOMEOWNERS, UH, FOR PEOPLE THAT RENT PROPERTY, THEY PROBABLY DON'T HAVE THE IN THE INITIATIVE TO POLICE THEIR AREAS AS WELL AS A HOMEOWNER DOES. AND CARRY ON THAT, THAT INVESTMENT. SO THAT'S, UH, ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS THAT I'M AGAINST ALLOWING, UH, A REZONING INITIATIVE TO TAKE PLACE. UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. AND THEN WE HAVE, UH, IS IT CAROL DAVIS? CAROL DAVIS. 3 3, 3 7 WIMBLEDON DRIVE. AS MY NEIGHBORHOOD OF NORTH CLIFF WENT THROUGH THIS VERY SAME SITUATION IN THE LAST YEAR, ONE OF THE BIGGEST COMPLAINTS FROM ALL OF THE COMMITTEES WAS ITS MEMBERS OF THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS DON'T COME OUT AND SPEAK IN FAVOR OR AGAINST THE ISSUES. I AM HERE WITH MY NEIGHBORS OF SHIRTS BEHIND ME. I'VE NEVER MET ANY OF THEM SITTING IN THIS ROOM. AND IF I HAVE, IT WAS BECAUSE I WAS THEIR CHILD'S TEACHER. BUT I AM TELLING YOU THAT THIS IS THE WRONG CALL AT THE WRONG TIME. THIS NEEDS TO STAY AS R TWO SINGLE FAMILY FOR THE SAME REASON THAT IT NEEDED TO STAY R TWO ON THE OLD GOLF COURSE. IT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS SET AND SURROUNDED BY SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS. THE ONLY WAY TO EXPAND 1518, WHICH YES, THE STATE WOULD HAVE TO DO, AND THE CITY OF SHIRTS IS NOT IN CHARGE OF THAT, IS IMMINENT DOMAIN. THERE IS NO WAY TO EXPAND 1518 BETWEEN 35 AND FM 78 WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE IMMINENT DOMAIN. AND WE ARE ON THE VERGE OF THAT HAVING TO HAPPEN AS IS FOR THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT IS THERE. ALSO, THIS ALSO SEEMS TO BE ANOTHER OOH SQUIRREL PROJECT. LET'S PUT IN SOMETHING BRIGHT AND SHINY SO THAT MAYBE THE CITIZENS OF SHIRTS WILL FORGET ALL OF THE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE TAKEN CARE OF FOR THE CURRENT RESIDENTS THAT HAVE CHOSEN THIS COMMUNITY TO BE THEIR HOMES, OUR ROADS, OUR WATER. THERE ARE SOME MAJOR PROBLEMS THAT NEED TO BE SOLVED. PARTS OF 1518 FROM ALLISON STEEL ENHANCED LEARNING CENTER TO SAVANNAH DRIVE. EACH OF THOSE INTERSECTIONS IS A MASSIVE POTHOLE. EVERY ONE OF THEM ALL THE WAY UP. BUT YET WE'RE GONNA ADD ANOTHER 1200 CARS. CAN WE PLEASE TAKE CARE OF THE CURRENT RESIDENTS BEFORE WE THROW ANOTHER 1200 IN? WE KNOW THAT WE'RE GROWING, BUT THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE BEHIND YOU ARE IN BEHIND ME AND IN FRONT OF YOU. WE ARE THE ONES THAT LIVE HERE NOW. WE CHOSE TO LIVE HERE AND WE EXPECT OUR GOVERNMENT TO TAKE CARE OF US AS IS NOT BRING IN NEW PROBLEMS AND THINK WE'RE JUST GONNA GO, OOH, NEW SHINY BUILDING. WE'LL FORGET ABOUT WHAT EXISTED BEFORE. PLEASE DO WHAT THIS PIECE OF PAPER SAYS. DO THE RIGHT THING. TREAT OTHERS THE WAY YOU WANT TO BE TREATED. YOU CHOSE TO LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY. DON'T SQUIRREL FIX WHAT NEEDS TO BE, BE FIXED. THIS PROJECT WILL COME IN TIME, BUT THE OWNER OF IT NEEDS TO RECOGNIZE IT IS ZONED SINGLE FAMILY AND IT SHOULD REMAIN SINGLE FAMILY TO MATCH WHAT IS IN EXISTENCE. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THIS COMMUNITY AND PLEASE CONSIDER THESE WORDS [00:30:04] ALRIGHT. I'VE TRIED TO BE NICE, BUT THAT'S ENOUGH. OKAY, TAKE YOUR TIME. KEEP BEING SERIOUS. I'M TELLING YOU, YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH IT. DON'T CLAP AFTER EVERY PERSON THAT TAKES YOUR TIME AWAY. THEY WANNA GO HOME TO THEIR FAMILIES. THANK YOU. I PROMISE, IF I'M TELLING YOU THE TRUTH, OKAY, JUST GO WITH THE FLOW, KEEP QUIET AND STICK TOGETHER, BUT CLAPPING UP EVERYBODY ONLY IRRITATES THEM, I PROMISE. UH, YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE THAT COMMENT. YEAH, FOLKS, THIS IS A PUBLIC MEETING. IT'S NOT A ROCK CONCERT. OKAY? AND I'D APPRECIATE IT IF YOU WOULD ALL CONDUCT YOURSELVES THAT WAY. A LITTLE APPLAUSE. OKAY. BUT THAT OUTBURST, IT HURTS MY EARS. ALL RIGHT, FINALLY ON THE LIST IS DAVID BIRCH. ALRIGHT? YES. MY NAME IS DAVID BIRCH. I RESIDE AT 1 39 HIDDEN NULL IN SELMA. AND AS MANY OTHERS HERE HAVE DONE, MY FAMILY, WE MOVED INTO THE KENSINGTON RANCH SUBDIVISION COMING OUT FROM SAN ANTONIO, WHERE THE EXPANSIVE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT CITY HAS BROUGHT ON SO MANY TROUBLES. AND A BIG PART OF WHY WE MOVED UP HERE WAS TO ESCAPE SOME OF THOSE TROUBLES OF THE BIGGER CITY. THE ISSUES OF THE TRAFFIC, THE ISSUES OF, YOU KNOW, MULTI, UH, FAMILY RESIDENCES OR THE APARTMENTS THAT DO BRING ALL THE ISSUES OF PROPERTY VALUES, DIMINISHING CRIME, ALL THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN ALREADY MENTIONED HERE TODAY BY THE RESIDENTS BEFORE ME. THESE ARE ALL CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE ALONG WITH THE FACT THAT YES, THERE WON'T BE AS MUCH UPKEEP ON THESE BUILDINGS BECAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S RENTAL PROPERTIES. I'VE LIVED IN RENTAL PROPERTIES MYSELF AND, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE MANY OTHERS HAVE, AND THERE'S MANY FINE PEOPLE WHO DO SO. BUT THE FACT REMAINS THAT THAT'S GOING TO DEGRADE THE QUALITY JUST ON WHAT YOU SEE, WHAT YOU EXPERIENCE IN YOUR DAY-TO-DAY LIFE OF OUR COMMUNITY. AND SO I STRONGLY OPPOSE THE YEAH, THE REZONING INTO, YOU KNOW, FROM SINGLE FAMILY HOMES BECAUSE I'VE GOT MY KIDS WHO ARE HERE WITH ME FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR THE YOUNGER TWO, THIS HOUSE HAS BEEN ALL THAT THEY'VE KNOWN, AND THERE ARE A FINITE NUMBER OF EXITS UP THE HIGHWAY THAT PEOPLE CAN MOVE AS WE'RE ALL SEEKING TO BUILD BETTER LIVES AND BETTER FUTURES FOR OURSELVES AND FOR OUR FAMILIES. AND SO WITH THAT IN MIND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHERE WE'D LIKE TO STAY. THERE'S ONLY SO MANY MORE PLACES WE CAN TRY TO GO, TRYING TO FIND THAT. AND SO I ENCOURAGE Y'ALL TO KEEP THE ZONING AS IT IS AND ENSURE THAT WE CAN SECURE THIS, YOU KNOW, SOLID FUTURE FOR OURSELVES AND FOR OUR FAMILIES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. YOU'RE WELCOME. OH, A LITTLE BIT'S. OKAY. BUT THANK I THANK YOU. I I I DO, I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THAT AND I, I UNDERSTAND IT'S A VERY, UH, A VERY EMOTIONAL ISSUE. UM, ALL RIGHT, SO THAT WAS OUR HEARING OF RESIDENCE. UH, AND, AND AGAIN, UH, WHEN WE GET TO THE PUBLIC HEARING, UM, THE REST OF YOU OR EVEN THOSE THAT SPOKE, WILL HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY AT, OKAY. UH, SO ITEM NUMBER [4. CONSENT AGENDA] FOUR IS OUR CONSENT AGENDA. THERE'S A SINGLE ITEM ON THAT THIS EVENING. IT'S THE MINUTES FOR THE FEBRUARY 7TH, 2024 REGULAR MEETING. UM, ARE WE VOTING ALREADY? . OKAY, I'M SORRY. ALRIGHT, SO THERE IS NO DISCUSSION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. SO COMMISSIONERS, DO WE NEED TO PULL THOSE MEETING, UH, THOSE MINUTES FOR DISCUSSION? IF NOT, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? MOTION TO APPROVE OUR MINUTES. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA FROM COMMISSIONER BROAD. DO I HAVE A SECOND? A SECOND AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER BROWN. THERE IS NO DISCUSSION ON CONSENT AGENDA, SO PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTES. ALRIGHT, I SEE SIX VOTES. CAN WE PUBLISH THAT VOTE PLEASE. WE HAVE SIX IN FAVOR. NONE OPPOSED THAT MOTION PASSES. ALL RIGHT. ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS A PUBLIC HEARING. AND ACTUALLY WE HAVE 10 PUBLIC HEARINGS THIS EVENING. UM, I'M NOT GONNA READ THIS TO YOU, BUT HERE'S THE WAY IT WORKS. OKAY, [00:35:01] WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL START EACH PUBLIC HEARING WITH A PRESENTATION FROM STAFF F IF THEY WISH. WE'LL THEN HEAR A PRESENTATION FROM THE APPLICANT OR THE DEVELOPER WHEN THEY'RE FINISHED. I WILL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR YOU FOLKS TO COMMENT AND QUESTION. AGAIN, IT'S THREE MINUTES AND HOPEFULLY A LITTLE GREEN LIGHT WILL COME ON. UM, BUT AGAIN, EVERYONE IS WELCOME TO SPEAK. I DO NEED, WHEN YOU COME TO THE DEUS, PLEASE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. AND AGAIN, THOSE FOLKS THAT SPOKE DURING HEARING RESIDENCE, YOU CAN SPEAK AGAIN TOO. OKAY? AND DON'T BE SHY, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'LL STAY HERE AS LONG AS WE NEED. YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THAT PART OF THE MEETING IS TO HEAR FROM YOU FOLKS. UM, THIS MEETING, UM, IS BEING VIDEOED AS BEING RECORDED. UM, SO THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS, THE PLANNING AND THE ZONING COMMISSION IS ONLY A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL. WHEN WE GET DONE WITH EACH PUBLIC HEARING, WE'LL TAKE A VOTE AND WE'LL, WE HAVE SOME OPTIONS. WE CAN RECOMMEND APPROVAL, WE CAN RECOMMEND DENIAL, WE CAN RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH, UH, CONDITIONS. BUT THAT'S ALL IT IS, IS A RECOMMENDATION. THE FINAL DECISION WILL BE MADE BY CITY COUNCIL AT A FUTURE CITY COUNCIL MEETING. OKAY? UH, BUT THE REASON I WANTED TO POINT OUT IT'S BEING RECORDED IS THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL BEFORE THAT CITY COUNCIL MEETING, THEY WILL, THEY WILL WATCH THAT VIDEO. AND SO THEY WILL, THEY, THEY WILL HEAR YOUR COMMENTS AND HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THE PROJECT. UH, AND THEN HOPEFULLY YOU'LL PACK THEIR CHAMBER AND UH, ADDRESS THEM AS WELL. OKAY? ALRIGHT. ENOUGH WASTING OF TIME. . ALRIGHT, SO ITEM FIVE A IS [5. PUBLIC HEARING] A PUBLIC HEARING FOR PLZC 20 24 0 0 0 4. HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON A REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 44.3 ACRES OF LAND FROM SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT R TWO TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT PDD KNOWN AS GUADALUPE COUNTY PROPERTY ID NUMBER 64 6 0, LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 78 FEET SOUTH OF THE INTERSECTION OF SAVANNAH DRIVE AND IRISH CREEK ROAD, CITY OF CTZ, GUADALUPE COUNTY, TEXAS. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. PLZC 20 24 0 0 4. A ZONE CHANGE REQUEST OF SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT R TWO TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT PDD ON APPROXIMATELY 44.3 ACRES. DAISY MARQUEZ PLANNER. SO HERE'S THE SUBJECT. PROPERTY OUTLINED IN GREEN TO THE NORTH IS THE CITY OF SHIRTS. TO THE RIGHT IS STILL THE CITY OF SHEES TO THE SOUTH, THE CITY OF SHIRTS HERE TO THE LEFT IS UNIVERSAL CITY AND THIS PORTION OVER HERE IS SELMA. THE CURRENT ZONING IS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT R TWO AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT PDD. SO TO THE NORTH WE HAVE THE KENSINGTON RANCH PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, WHICH IS CURRENTLY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO THE SOUTH. IT IS ALSO ZONED FAMILY RESIDENTIAL R TWO. AND IT IS CURRENTLY VACANT TO THE RIGHT. IT IS ALSO ZONE R TWO AND IT IS DIETS CREEK AND IS MEANT FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. AND THEN TO THE WEST WE HAVE THE ORCHARD PARK SUBDIVISION THAT IS IN UNIVERSAL CITY AND IS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. SO IN FEBRUARY 23RD, A TOTAL OF 65 PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES WERE SENT OUT TO EVERYTHING EVERYONE WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY. AS OF TODAY AT 12:00 PM WE HAVE 107 IN OPPOSITION, TWO IN FAVOR, ONE BEING FROM THE APPLICANT AND ZERO NEUTRAL. AND TWO SIGNS WERE POSTED ON THE PROPERTY AT THE INTERSECTION OF IRISH CREEK AND SAVANNAH ON THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY. AND THEN HERE AT BARRINGER ROAD FACING THE UC SUBDIVISION ON THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY. SO CURRENTLY THE PERCENT OPPOSED IS 27.38%. AND AS PER LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE 2 1 1 0 0 60, THE PROPOSED CHANGE MUST RECEIVE IN ORDER TO TAKE EFFECT THE AFFIRMATIVE VOTE OF AT LEAST THREE FOURTHS OF ALL MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. AND ALTHOUGH THIS IS, THIS DOES NOT AFFECT THE P AND D RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL, IT DOES AFFECT THE CITY COUNCIL VOTE. SO UDC SECTION 2154 STATES THAT A ZONE CHANGE IS REQUIRED TO ESTABLISH THE USE OF LAND AND DEVELOPMENT ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROPOSED ZONING CLASSIFICATION FOR THE PURPOSE OF ESTABLISHING AND MAINTAINING A SOUND STABLE AND DESIRABLE DEVELOPMENT. THE APPROXIMATE 44.3 [00:40:01] ACRES IS CURRENTLY ZONED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL R TWO AND IS PROPOSING PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT PDD. AND PER THE LETTER OF INTENT SUBMITTED WITH THE APPLICATION, THE APPLICANT DESIRES TO DEVELOP THE LAND FOR MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT. AND AS PER THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE SECTION 21 5 10 A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, PDD IS INTENDED TO PROMOTE AND ENCOURAGE INNOVATIVE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS SENSITIVE TO SURROUNDING LAND USES. AND IF IT NECESSITATES VARYING FROM AVAILABLE ZONING DISTRICTS, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT SHOULD DEMONSTRATE COMMUNITY BENEFITS. SO THE EBOLA FARMS PDD IS UTILIZED IS PROPOSING TO UTILIZE THE APARTMENT MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT R FOUR AS ITS BASE ZONING DISTRICT AND IT WILL ESTABLISH TWO SEPARATE AREAS. AREA ONE BEING THE 11.97 ACRES THAT ARE WITHIN THE JBSA RANDOLPH ACCIDENT POTENTIAL ZONE TWO, APZ TWO, AND AREA TWO IS THE REMAINDER 32 POINT 28 ACRE PORTION OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND DEVELOPMENT IS LIMITED TO THIS AREA ONLY. SO AGAIN, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IMAGE OF WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING. SO AREA TWO IS THIS AREA TO THE RIGHT THAT IS THE 32 ACRES AND HAS THAT ACCESS ON IRISH CREEK AND SAVANNAH. AND AREA ONE IS DIRECTLY WITHIN THE APZ TWO AND HAS THAT ACCESS ON BARRINGER. SO AREA ONE IS AGAIN THE APZ TWO PRESERVATION AREA AND IS APPROXIMATELY 11.9 ACRES AND IS WITHIN THE CITY OF SHE. CITY LIMITS AND BOARD IS UNIVERSAL CITY, CITY LIMITS. THE PURPOSE OF AREA ONE IS TO PRESERVE THE 11.97 ACRES AS OPEN SPACE WITH NO DEVELOPMENT ALLOWED EXCEPT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF A ROAD TO BE MAINTAINED BY THE DEVELOPER. THE 2015 JBSA RANDOLPH ACA STUDY RECOMMENDS PROPERTIES WITHIN THE A PC TWO IF DEVELOPED A SINGLE FAMILY BE DEVELOPED AT A MAXIMUM DENSITY OF TWO DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY 11.9 ACRES OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WITHIN THIS A PZ TWO, WHICH WOULD EQUATE TO JBS A'S RECOMMENDATION OF A MAXIMUM OF 22 UNITS WITHIN JUST THE A PZ AND THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT R TWO REQUIRES A MINIMUM OF 8,400 SQUARE FEET PER LOT, WHICH WOULD EQUATE TO APPROXIMATELY 57 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES JUST IN THE APZ TWO, WHICH WOULD RECOMMEND JBS A'S MAXIMUM DENSITY RECOMMENDATION AND AN EFFORT TO SUPPORT THE JBS A RANDOLPH MISSION. THE PROPOSED PDD STIPULATES NO RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE A C TWO TO PREVENT ENCROACHMENT. SO WE JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT SOME JBSA RANDOLPH JAS 2015 GOALS AND OBJECTIVES THEY HAD. UH, THE GOAL OF THE JBSA RANDOLPH JLAS IS TO PROTECT THE VIABILITY OF CURRENT AND FUTURE MILITARY TRAINING OPERATIONS WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY GUIDING COMMUNITY GROWTH, SUSTAINING THE ENVIRONMENT AND ECONOMIC HEALTH OF THE REGION AND PROTECTING PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE. AND TO ACHIEVE THIS GOAL, THE JLS HAS A COUPLE OBJECTIVES AND ONE OF THEM IS COLLABORATION TO ENCOURAGE COOPERATIVE LAND USE AND RESOURCE PLANNING AMONG JBSA RANDOLPH AND THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES. SO THE FUTURE COMMUNITY GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE TRAINING AND OPERATIONAL MISSIONS AT JBSA RANDOLPH SEEKING WAYS TO REDUCE OPERATIONAL IMPACTS ON ADJACENT LAND PROXIMATE AND WITHIN THE STUDY AREA. SO AGAIN, HERE IS AREA ONE TO THE LEFT AND AREA TWO TO THE RIGHT AND DIVING IN INTO AREA TWO, WHICH WOULD BE THE PROPOSED MIXED RESIDENTIAL 32.28 ACRES. IT IS SOUTH OF THE KENSINGTON RANCH SUBDIVISION IS APPROXIMATELY 77 FEET FROM THE INTERSECTION OF SAVANNAH DRIVE IN IRISH CREEK ROAD AND WILL ALLOW FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL. AND PER THE CONCEPTUAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS, WHICH ARE FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY, THE APPLICANT IS CONSIDERING SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED AND GARDEN STYLE MULTIFAMILY APARTMENTS. HOWEVER, PER THE PDD, THE PROPERTY CAN STILL BE DEVELOPED IN A STANDARD SUBURBAN CELL APARTMENT COMPLEX WITH A MAXIMUM OF 486 DWELLING UNITS. AND FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, AREA TWO DEVELOPMENT WILL BE CLASSIFIED AS VOLTI FAMILY USE. SO THE EBOLA FORMS PD DD IS PROPOSING A REDUCTION IN DENSITY FROM 24 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE TO 11 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE WITH A TOTAL OF 486 DWELLING UNITS ALLOWED TO BE BUILT ONLY WITHIN AREA TWO. CONVENTIONAL APARTMENT MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT R FOUR REQUIRES A FRONT SETBACK OF 25 FEET, SIDE SETBACK OF 10 FEET AND A REAR SETBACK OF 20 FEET. BUT THE PD D IS PROPOSING A MINIMUM SETBACK REQUIREMENT TO BE INCREASED TO 50 FEET ALL ALONG THE PERIMETER AREA TWO. AND WITHIN AREA TWO LANDSCAPING IS PROPOSED TO INCLUDE A 20 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER WITH ONE SHADE TREE EVERY 30 LINEAR FEET ON ALL SIDES. AND HERE'S A CLOSEUP OF THE AREA TWO DIMENSIONAL AND DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS. SO AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A CONCEPTUAL PLA SITE PLAN FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY. THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED THE ZONING EXHIBIT OVERLAID ON TOP OF THE CONCEPTUAL CONCEPTUAL [00:45:01] SITE PLAN. AND THIS IS THE OTHER CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN, AGAIN, FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY. HERE YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT WOULD ONLY BE WITHIN AREA TWO AND AREA ONE WOULD ONLY ALLOW THE DEVELOPMENT OF A STREET, UM, BUT IT WOULD REMAIN OPEN SPACE AND IT WOULD BE MAINTAINED BY THE DEVELOPER. SO ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS IN THE PDD IS THAT IT ALSO INCLUDES ADDITIONAL MISCELLANEOUS REQUIREMENTS AS PER JOINT BASE SAN ANTONIO, ALSO KNOWN AS JBSA AND THE PROVIDER, THE DEVELOPER MUST PROVIDE DOCUMENTATION AND DEMONSTRATE THEIR COMPLIANCE BEFORE BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATIONS THAT THEY HAVE FOLLOWED THE LIGHTING SOUND SPECTRUM DEPENDENT SYSTEMS FAA REVIEW OF APPLICABLE AND FAA ADVISORY CIRCULAR AC NUMBER 1 55, 233 C. SO WHEN STAFF MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS FOR PDDS, WE LOOK AT UDC SECTION 21 5 10 F AND WE LOOK AT THIS CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL. SO ONE, WHETHER THE PROPOSED PD D IMPLEMENTS THE POLICIES OF THE ADOPTED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT DOES IMPLEMENT THE POLICIES OF THE ADOPTED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE COMP PLAN DESIGNATES THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND THE SINGLE FAMILY LANGUAGE DESIGNATION IS INTENDED FOR A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL WITH SOME COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES THAT SUPPORT THE DAILY ACTIVITY OF DEVELOPMENT. THE REQUESTED PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT IS ALSO PROPOSING TO PRESERVE APPROXIMATELY 11.7 ACRES OF LAND AND PROPOSES TO DEVELOP THE REMAINING 32.28 ACRES AT 11 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE WITH A TOTAL OF 486 DWELLING UNITS. AND PER THE APPLICATION, THE PD DD WILL WOULD ALLOW FOR A MIX OF SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED AND DETACHED FOUR RENT UNITS WITH GARDEN STYLE MULTIFAMILY APARTMENTS WITHIN THE SAME DEVELOPMENT AND SERVED BY THE SAME AMENITIES. THE INTENT OF THE PDD IS TO PROVIDE MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND DOES MEET THE INTENT OF THE EXISTING AND PROPOSED COMP PLAN DESIGNATIONS THAT ALLOW FOR A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL WITH SUPPORTING LAND USES. TWO, WHETHER THE PROPOSED PDD PROMOTES THE HEALTH SAFETY OR GENERAL WELFARE OF THE CITY AND THE SAFE, ORDERLY, EFFICIENT, AND HEALTHFUL DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY. AS PART OF PROMOTING HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE, THE CITY SHOULD ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING USES, UTILIZING STANDARDS AND TRADITIONAL USES TO ALLEVIATE NEGATIVE IMPACTS. THE CITY OF SHE'S PRACTICE IN PREVIOUS PROJECTS HAS DETERMINED THAT MULTIFAMILY IS NOT INCOMPATIBLE NEXT TO SINGLE FAMILY. THE PDD PROPOSES SCREENING WITHIN THE 32 POINT 28 ACRES OF AREA TWO, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE AN EIGHT FOOT MASONRY WALL, A 20 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER WITH ONE SHADE EVERY 30 LINEAR ONE SHADE TREE EVERY 30 LINEAR FEET, A 50 FOOT BUILDING SETBACK AROUND THE ENTIRE PERIMETER OF THE AREA TWO BOUNDARIES. AND SINCE AREA ONE IS WITHIN THE JBSA, RANDOLPH A PZ TWO, THE PDD REQUIRES THAT THE DEVELOPER DEMONSTRATE THEIR COMPLIANCE WITH THE JBSA ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS BEFORE BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATIONS AS STIPULATED IN THE PDD. ADDITIONALLY, THE PDD STIPULATES THAT THERE SHALL BE NO DEVELOPMENT OTHER THAN A STREET WITHIN AREA ONE AS A MEANS TO PRESERVE THE AP PZ TWO AND SUPPORT THE JVSA RANDOLPH AIR FORCE BASE MISSION. AND PER THE EXHIBIT SUBMITTED IN THE APPLICATION, THE PROPOSED PDD IS PROPOSING TWO ACCESS POINTS. THE MAIN DEVELOPMENT ACCESS POINT IS BEING PROPOSED FROM THE INTERSECTION OF SAVANNAH DRIVE AND IRIS CREEK ROAD, WHICH WOULD BE GATED. AND THE SECOND ACCESS POINT IS PROPOSED FROM BARRINGER WAY, WHICH IS WITHIN UNIVERSAL CITY W, BUT WOULD BE A GATED ACCESS POINT FOR EMERGENCY ACCESS ONLY. AND THREE, WHETHER THE USE IS PERMITTED BY THE PROPOSED CHANGE IN ZONE DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION AND STANDARDS APPLICABLE TO SUCH USES WILL BE APPROPRIATE IN THE MEDIA AREA OF THE LAND TO BE RECLASSIFIED. THE PDD IS APPROPRIATE WITHIN THE MEDIA AREA OF THE LAND TO BE RECLASSIFIED AND THE PROPOSED PDD IS COMPATIBLE WITH EXISTING AND PROPOSED COMP PLAN LAND USE DESIGNATIONS FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. THE PDD ALSO PRESERVES THE A PZ TWO, WHICH IS CRUCIAL TO THE OPERATIONS AND MISSIONS OF JBSA RANDOLPH, AND WE TOOK THIS DIRECTLY FROM THE JBSA REGIONAL COMPATIBLE USE PLAN THAT AS COMMUNITIES DEVELOP AND EXPAND DUE TO GROWTH AND MARKET DEMANDS, THEY HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO ENCROACH ON MILITARY INSTALLATIONS AND ON OPERATIONAL OR TRAINING AREAS. UNCOORDINATED DEVELOPMENT CAN EXACERBATE OR CREATE LAND USE CONFLICTS AND OTHER COMPATIBILITY ISSUES. ENCROACHMENT CAN HAVE MULTITUDE OF UNDESIRABLE IMPACTS ON COMMUNITY SAFETY, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AND THE SUSTAINABILITY IN MILITARY OPERATIONS. ADDRESSING THESE ISSUES AND THEIR POTENTIAL IMPACTS IS CURRENTLY ONE OF THE MILITARY'S GREATEST OPERATIONAL CHALLENGES. FOUR. WHETHER THE PROPOSED CHANGE IS IN ACCORD WITH ANY EXISTING OR PROPOSED PLANS FOR PROVIDING PUBLIC SCHOOL STREETS, WATER SUPPLY, SANITARY SEWERS, OR OTHER PUBLIC SERVICES AND UTILITIES TO THE AREA. THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 78 FEET SOUTH FROM THE INTERSECTION OF SAVANNAH DRIVE AND IRISH CREEK ROAD. SAVANNAH DRIVE IS A RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR WITH 70 FEET OF RIGHTWAY AND THE CLOSEST SIGNAL LIES IN INTERSECTIONS ARE TO THE EAST AT THE INTERSECTION OF SAVANNAH DRIVE [00:50:01] INSUREDS PARKWAY INTO THE WEST AT THE INTERSECTION OF SAVANNAH DRIVE IN 1518. AND PER INITIAL TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT AND REVIEWED BY THE CITY OF SHE'S ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, THE POTENTIAL EFFECTS OF THE DEVELOPMENT TRAFFIC HAVE BEEN EVALUATED. THE SUBMITTED TIA REVIEWED THE EFFECTS OF THE DEVELOPMENT ON THE INTERSECTIONS OF FM 1518 AND SAVANNAH IRISH CREEK ROAD IN SAVANNAH AND HURST PARKWAY IN SAVANNAH. AND WHILE THE TIA SHOWS THAT THERE ARE SOME DETRIMENTAL EFFECTS, PARTICULARLY, PARTICULARLY TO THE SCHURZ PARKWAY SAVANNAH INTERSECTION, THESE EFFECTS CAN BE MITIGATED. THERE ARE MITIGATION METHODS TO MAINTAIN THE LEVEL OF SERVICE. CURRENTLY AT THE SUREZ PARKWAY SAVANNAH INTERSECTION, THE DEVELOPER WILL BE REQUIRED TO CONSTRUCT THE MITIGATION MEASURES AS PART OF THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE PERMIT THAT IS SUBMITTED DURING THE FINAL PLAT PROCESS. IF THE REZONING IS APPROVED, THE OTHER INTERSECTIONS, INCLUDING THE FM 1518 AND SAVANNAH INTERSECTION, WILL ALL FUNCTION AT AN ACCEPTABLE LEVEL OF SERVICE. EVEN WITH THE ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT TRAFFIC. AND ADDITIONAL AND MORE DETAILED ANALYSIS WILL BE DONE AND REQUIRED OF ALL THE INTERSECTIONS AFFECTED WITH THE REVISED TIA DURING THE PLOTTING PROCESS, THE REVISED TIA AND FURTHER ANALYSIS WILL IDENTIFY THEIR APPROPRIATE MITIGATION MEASURES FOR ALL INTERSECTIONS. AND A PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE WAS MAILED TO THE SH SEVILLE UNIVERSAL CITY INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT TO NOTIFY THEM OF THE POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND THEY HAVE NOT PROVIDED A WRITTEN RESPONSE INDICATING OPPOSITION OR SUPPORT. FIVE. THE EXTENT TO WHICH THE PROPOSED PDD WILL RESULT IN A SUPERIOR DEVELOPMENT THAT COULD BE ACHIEVED THROUGH CONVENTIONAL ZONING. THE PROPOSED PDD ALLOWS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF THE ACCIDENT POT POTENTIAL ZONE TWO FOR THE LONG-TERM VIABILITY OF EXISTING AND FUTURE MILITARY MISSIONS, WHICH SHOULD BE A PARAMOUNT CONSIDERATION. AREA TWO IS BASED ON THE APARTMENT MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT R FOUR ZONING, BUT WITH THE ADDITIONAL SCREENING REQUIREMENTS, INCREASED LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS, INCREASED MINIMUM BUILDING SETBACKS AND AND DECREASED DENSITY AS A RESULT. AREA TWO, THE PROPOSED PD WILL CALCULATE ITS DENSITY REQUIREMENT ON THE ENTIRE 44.3 ACRES, BUT WILL LIMIT DEVELOPMENT TO THE 32 ACRES WITHIN AREA TWO. IF THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT R TWO REMAINS ON THE PROPERTY, THEN THE APC TWO CAN BE DEVELOPED, WHICH THEN STRAIN THE RELATIONSHIP THAT THE CITY OF SHEES WANTS TO MAINTAIN. WITH JBSA ADDITIONALLY, WITH CONVENTIONAL ZONING THAT IS ALREADY IN PLACE, THE CITY OF CHURCH CANNOT ENFORCE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS THAT JB JBSA RANDOLPH WOULD DESIRE. THE ADDITIONAL SCREENING LANDSCAPING MINIMUM BUILDING SETBACKS, REDUCED DENSITY REQUIRED COMPLIANCE WITH JBSA RANDOLPH DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS AND THE RESTRICTION OF DEVELOPMENT WITH THE APZ TWO WOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE TO ENFORCE IN THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL R TWO OR IN CONVENTIONAL APARTMENT MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT R FOUR. THE PROPOSED PDD ENFORCES COMPLIANCE WITH THE A PZ TWO PRESERVATION AND ADDITIONAL JBSA REQUIREMENTS AND ENSURES JBSA ROUNDUP THAT THE 11.72 ACRES OF AREA ONE REMAIN UNDEVELOPED. AND WHETHER ALL OF THE APPLICANT'S BACK TAXES OWED TO THE CITY HAVE BEEN PAID IN FULL, NO APPLICATION WILL RECEIVE FINAL APPROVAL UNTIL ALL BACK TAXES ARE PAID IN FULL. THIS DOES NOT IMPACT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION OF CITY COUNCIL. AND THEN WHETHER OTHER CRITERIA MET, WHICH AT THE DISCRETION OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL ARE DEEMED RELEVANT AND IMPORTANT IN THE CONSIDERATION OF THE AMENDMENT. STAFF HAS ENSURED THAT ALL UDC REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN MET FOR THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE AND AT THIS TIME HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY SPECIAL, SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION OR THE CITY COUNCIL. SO DUE TO THE PROPOSED PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT'S PRESERVATION OF THE APC TWO REDUCED DENSITY AND COMPATIBILITY WITH THE COMP COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN, LAND USE DESIGNATION STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF PLZC 2 0 2 4 4 AND THEN THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE WITH A PRESENTATION. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. WHICH ONE IS IT? JUST MAKE SURE. ALRIGHT. MY NAME IS KEN BROWN, I'M WITH BROWN AND MCDONALD, UM, REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT, UM, THERE REALLY ISN'T A LOT TO SAY AFTER THAT. IT WAS VERY, VERY THOROUGH. BUT I DO HAVE A SHORT PRESENTATION AND I WOULD LIKE TO GO THROUGH IT IF, IF AT ALL, IF POSSIBLE. YES, HONOR, GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. UM, I THINK EVERYONE NOW IS GENERALLY FAMILIAR WITH WHAT WE ARE CALLING THE CILO FARMS TRACK, UH, 40, APPROXIMATELY 44 ACRES. UM, WELL, I THINK EVERYONE HERE KNOWS WHERE IT IS NOW. UM, I DIDN'T MOVE IT. UH, SO OUR ZONING REQUEST AS STATED, WE HAVE ABOUT 44 ACRES. UH, IT IS ALL ZONED R TWO RIGHT NOW. UH, WE ARE SEEKING TO REZONE IT TO PDD PLAN DEVELOPMENT [00:55:01] DISTRICT 11 OR ALMOST 12 OF THE ACRES. AND I, I BELIEVE THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT IS GOING TO BE SET ASIDE FOR OPEN SPACE. UH, AND THE REMAINDER WOULD BE FOR OUR FOUR UH, USES. UM, THE EXISTING LAND USE DESIGNATION IS A STATE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND SO THERE'S NOT A PLAN AMENDMENT REQUIRED. THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH YOUR PLAN. I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE WORKING ON A 2024 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. UM, IF THAT IS ADOPTED, WE WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE NEW PLAN ALSO, AND THERE WOULD NOT BE A NEED FOR A PLAN AMENDMENT. SO I THINK THAT'S, UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO STATE THAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN DOING COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING, UH, AND CONTINUE TO DO IT. AND OUR APPLICATION IS CONSISTENT WITH THE OLD AND THE NEW PLAN. UM, SO THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT, WE BELIEVE PART OF OUR APPLICATION, UH, 11 OR 12 ACRES IS IN THE A PZ TWO. UH, WE STARTED MEETING WITH JBSA FIRST. UH, WE'VE HAD MEETINGS WITH JBSA CITY STAFF AND HAVE MADE EFFORTS, UH, WITH THE KENSINGTON ESTATES, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. BUT OUR FIRST EFFORTS WERE WITH JBSA BECAUSE WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT WE COULD DO ON THAT 12 ACRES, WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WHAT WAS POSSIBLE ON THE REMAINDER. UH, WE STARTED IN NOVEMBER, UH, HAD THREE, THREE MEETINGS WITH THEM. UH, THEY HAVE VERY EXACTING STANDARDS AS YOU KNOW, THAT TRACK, THAT 12 ACRE TRACK IS OR IS ZONED R UH, R TWO RIGHT NOW, WHICH WOULD ALLOW 57 APPROXIMATELY SINGLE FAMILY UNITS. UM, AND YOUR CODE REQUIRES THAT JBSA SUPPORT THE APPLICATION, NOT JUST NOT OPPOSE IT. YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE A CODE PROVISION THAT SAYS JBS JBSA HAS TO SUPPORT IT. UH, AND WE, WE WENT BACK AND FORTH WITH THEM AND WE FINALLY DECIDED THE BEST THING TO DO WAS NOT ALLOW ANYTHING IN THAT AREA. UM, I, I I'M SURE YOU'RE ALL, THIS IS VERY MILITARY CITY, BUT YOU'RE AWARE OF THEIR MISSION AND YOU KNOW, THEY JUST IMPRESSED UPON US THAT ANY KIND OF INCREMENTAL CHANGE AT SOME POINT COULD TIP AND, AND, AND, UM, THREATENED THEIR MISSION. AND SO WE DECIDED THAT THE BEST THING TO DO WAS TO DO NOTHING ON THAT PIECE, ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY AND, AND KEEP IT, UH, IN ITS NATURAL STATE, WHICH WE WILL MAINTAIN. UM, I THINK I SAID ALL OF THAT. UH, I DID SO, SO THEN WE STARTED LOOKING AT THE REMAINDER, UH, 32, UH, 0.2 ACRES. UH, IT IS ZONED R TWO. UM, AND WHEN YOU TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT WITH THE, THE 11 OR 12 ACRES, UH, CURRENTLY WE COULD DEVELOP 229 SINGLE FAMILY UNITS ON THE ENTIRE TRACK. UH, ONCE AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE PUTTING 57 UNITS, SINGLE FAMILY UNITS IN THAT AREA THAT I DON'T THINK ANYONE THINKS THAT ANYTHING SHOULD BE THERE. UH, BUT THAT, THAT COULD BE DONE. UH, SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IN LEAVING THE 12 ACRES VACANT, UH, AND UTILIZING THE REMAINDER 32 UH, ACRES IS 150 SINGLE FAMILY STYLE DWELLING UNITS. UH, REMEMBER THIS WILL BE DEVELOPED AS ONE, ONE DEVELOPMENT ONE LOT, UH, BUT THERE IS A GROWING CHANGE IN SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT, UH, AS RENTAL, UH, AS RENTAL UNITS. AND THESE WILL ALL BE MULTI-FAMILY RENTAL RENTAL UNITS, BUT 150 OF 'EM WILL BE BUILT AND LOOKED JUST LIKE SINGLE FAMILY UNITS. UM, UH, SO IF WE WERE DOING THE ENTIRE, UH, 32 ACRES AS R FOUR, IT WOULD PERMIT UP TO 774 UNITS, WHICH I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT IS TOO MUCH. UH, AND SO PART OF THE PDD IS WE'RE LIMITING THAT DENSITY. I'M GLAD THAT'S STAYING UP WITH ME. SO, UM, IN DOING THE PDD, AND I KNOW STAFF WENT THROUGH IT, AND I WON'T BELABOR IT, BUT THERE ARE SOME CONDITIONS THAT THEY'RE PUTTING IN. UH, MOST OF THEM HAVE TO DO FROM THE CITY SIDE ARE BUFFERS, UH, SETBACKS, TREES, UH, NATURAL AREAS, UM, THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, ON THE JBSA SIDE, AND IT'S IN YOUR PACKET, UH, WE'RE DOING, WE ARE COMPLYING WITH ALL THE CONDITIONS THAT THEY HAVE ABOUT SOUND LIGHTING, COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGIES, FLIGHT NAVIGATION, AND WILDLIFE TRACK FEATURES. SO ALL OF THAT IS IN YOUR ORDINANCE AND ENFORCEABLE BY YOU. JBSA DOESN'T HAVE TO BE CONCERNED WITH IT THAT IT IS IN YOUR ORDINANCE AND IT WILL BE ENFORCED. UM, I THINK, UH, [01:00:01] ONE OF THE BIGGER ISSUES, AND CLEARLY EVERYONE WAS PAYING ATTENTION 'CAUSE THE STAFF'S REPORT WAS LONG BUT THOROUGH. UH, BUT WHEN THEY BROUGHT UP THE TRAFFIC PART OF IT, UM, THERE WAS PROBABLY SOME CONCERN. BUT WE HAVE DONE A TRAFFIC STUDY. UH, OUR ENGINEER IS HERE, UH, WITH COLLIER'S ENGINEERING, WE INTERFACE WITH THE CITY'S ENGINEER. UH, I THINK THE STAFF READ, UH, TO YOU THAT, UM, THE INCREASE OF OUR TRAFFIC, UM, WOULD NOT NEGATIVELY IMPACT FROM THE LEVEL OF, OF, UM, AND I'M NOT A TRAFFIC ENGINEER, UH, FROM THE EXISTING BACKGROUND TRAFFIC. NOW, UH, THERE WILL BE, UH, SOME MITIGATION REQUIRED AND, AND THAT'LL BE DONE WHEN A FULL TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS IS DONE AND THAT THOSE MITIGATION TECH, UH, OR, OR FEATURES WOULD BE PAID FOR BY US. UH, I WOULD REALLY RATHER, AND I'M SURE YOU'LL HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT TRAFFIC, I WOULD REALLY RATHER OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER ADDRESS THAT, BUT WE HAVE ADDRESSED THE, THE TRAFFIC ISSUE UP FRONT WITH STAFF THAT OUR DEVELOPMENT IS NOT GONNA CAUSE A FAILURE OF THAT ROAD OR THE INTERSECTIONS. UM, UM, THE LAST SLIDE IS, I DID WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT WE MADE AN EFFORT AND REACHED OUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I MEAN, WE KNEW THEY WERE GONNA BE CONCERNED. WE KNEW THEY WERE GONNA BE UPSET. UH, AND MAYBE WE, MAYBE WE CONTACTED THE WRONG PERSON, BUT THE CONTACT PERSON THAT WE, WE MADE AN EFFORT TO TALK TO REALLY DIDN'T RESPOND TO US. UH, WE GOT FINALLY GOT A RESPONSE. AND, UH, I THINK SOMEONE MENTIONED HERE TONIGHT THAT THEY THOUGHT THAT WE WERE GOING ACROSS THEIR PROPERTY, UH, AND, AND WE ARE, UH, BUT THERE'S A DEDICATED RIGHT OF WAY ACROSS THEIR PROPERTY ALSO. AND SO I THINK THEY THOUGHT THAT WE WEREN'T GONNA BE ABLE TO GET THAT ACCESS AND, AND MAYBE THAT'S WHY THEY DIDN'T RESPOND. UH, BUT WE HAVE MADE EFFORTS TO TALK TO THE NEIGHBORS. UH, I I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK THAT WE JUST SAID WHO CARES? WE KNEW THEY WERE GONNA BE CONCERNED. UH, SO, UM, I THINK THE STAFF DID A VERY THOROUGH REPORT. I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT, UH, WE ARE, WE HAVE JBS A'S RECOMMENDATION AND THAT WE ARE KEEPING THAT PARCEL THAT COULD BE DEVELOPED RIGHT NOW. UH, OPEN SPACE, UH, THERE IS A HOUSING CRISIS, THERE IS A CRISIS FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE. AND, UH, I WOULD RESPECTFULLY, UM, REQUEST YOUR SUPPORT FOR OUR, FOR OUR APPLICATION. IT IS CONSISTENT WITH YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND IS BEING RECOMMENDED BY JBSA AND YOUR STAFF. UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER 'EM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. OKAY. JUST, JUST TO GO OVER THE PROCEDURES ONE, ONE MORE TIME. I WILL, I WILL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. YOU'RE ALL WELCOME TO COME UP AND JUST LIKE IN HEARING THE RESIDENTS, TRY TO KEEP IT TO THREE MINUTES. THE LITTLE GREEN LIGHT WILL COME ON THREE MINUTES LATER. THE RED LIGHT SHOULD COME ON. SO IF YOU'RE STILL TALKING WHEN THE RED LIGHT COMES ON, I'M NOT GONNA CUT YOU OFF, BUT I'D LIKE YOU TO WRAP IT UP. AND AGAIN, NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND THEN WE'LL START THE TIMER. SO IT IS, UM, I'M GONNA CALL IT 7:04 PM AND THE FLOOR IS NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. SO YEAH, JUST, UH, KIND OF HANDLE IT YOURSELVES IF YOU WANT TO LINE UP OR HOWEVER YOU WANNA DO IT. MY NAME IS TOM TROUTNER. I LIVE AT 36 12 SHARP HILL IN KENSINGTON RANCH, THE CITY OF SELMA. I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR THE GENTLEMAN THAT WAS JUST UP HERE. ALL RIGHT, WELL LET, LET ME STEAL JUST A FEW SECONDS OF YOUR TIME. WHAT WE'LL DO IS, UH, BOTH MYSELF AND STAFF, WE'LL WRITE DOWN YOUR QUESTIONS. OKAY? AND THEN, UH, WHEN, WHEN WE'RE DONE AND IT'S OPEN FOR DISCUSSION, WE'LL TRY TO GET YOU THOSE ANSWERS. ALL RIGHT, SIR. ALRIGHT. GIMME 12 SECONDS. GO AHEAD. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. I, I GOT IT. GO AHEAD. JUST KIDDING. OKAY. AND WAS I CORRECT IN THIS, IN WHAT I HEARD THAT THE 44 ACRES JUST PLAN FOR DEVELOPMENT, BUT THEY'RE GONNA SET ASIDE 11 ACRES, GIVE OR TAKE. SO THEIR DENSITY STUDY IS FOR 44 ACRES, AND THEY'RE GONNA CRAM THAT INTO 32. SO THE DENSITY STUDY IS JUNK. OKAY. CRASH ZONE. SO ZONE AREA ONE, IS THE CRASH ZONE COMPLIES WITH THE CRASH ZONE, IS THAT CORRECT? I'M ASSUMING THAT, SO I'M LED TO BELIEVE THAT THAT PLANE'S GONNA CRASH IN THAT LITTLE AREA IF IT'S GONNA CRASH AT ALL. AND NOT ON THE HOUSES BEFORE OR AFTER, OR NORTH OF IT. I LIVE RIGHT UNDER THE FLIGHT PATH. I CAN SEE THE [01:05:01] PILOT'S FACE, I CAN TELL YOU IF HE'S WEARING A MUSTACHE OR NOT. IT'S NOWHERE NEAR EITHER ONE OF THOSE. IT'S ONLY ONE OR ZONE TWO, IT'S FURTHER WEST. UM, AND I WAS CURIOUS AS TO KNOW HOW DO YOU PLAN TO MITIGATE TRAFFIC? THERE IS NO WAY TO MITIGATE IT. YOU CAN'T, UH, YOU GOTTA WIDEN EVERY ROAD. UM, DON'T SEE IT HAPPENING. CAN'T WIDEN SAVANNAH. THAT'S ALREADY DONE. 1518. NOT SURE HOW THAT CAN BE DONE, BUT I'M NOT A CITY PLANNER. SURE, IT'S PARKWAY. THAT'S ALREADY WHAT IS WHAT IT IS. I CAN'T GET ANY WIDER THAN THAT. SO I DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY SAY THEY'RE GONNA MITIGATE IT. I WOULD DARE SAY, SIR, YOU DON'T LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU HAVE NO IDEA, RIGHT? UH, THAT WOMAN WAS NOT, OR THAT GENTLEMAN WAS NOT EXAGGERATING. WHEN HE SAYS IT TAKES 30 MINUTES TO GET TO THE FRONTAGE ROAD FROM SAVANNAH IN SOCCER SEASON, LONGER THAN THAT, SOCCER'S TRAFFIC IS BACKED UP WAY PAST SAVANNAH. FURTHER DOWN, IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE. YOU'RE FASTER ON FOOT. THAT BEING SAID, I HAVE THOSE QUESTIONS. UM, AND FOR THE RECORD, I STRONGLY OPPOSE THE ZONING OF THE, FOR THE REASONS EVERYBODY ELSE SPOKE. I I DON'T WANT TO PARROT EVERYTHING, BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. YOU'RE WELCOME, SIR. NO, YOU'RE FINE. SO, KIPP HOMESTEAD 3 5 6 0 IRISH CREEK ROAD. UM, MY ROAD IS DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THIS TRAFFIC. AND AGAIN, NOTHING AGAINST THE LAWYER, BUT HE SPOKE A LOT OF LAWYER SPEAK. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS NOTICED AS MUCH AS I DID, BUT JBSA SAYS, HE SAYS THAT THEY SUPPORT IT, BUT IN HIS WORDS, THEY SAID HE DIDN'T SUPPORT IT BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT HIM TO BUILD WHAT HE WANTS TO BUILD. THE, THE REALITY IS, NEITHER HIM NOR HIS CLIENTS LIVE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY REALLY HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT WHAT THE CONGESTION IS, IS BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIVE IT. THEY DON'T EXPERIENCE THAT CONGESTION THAT WE DO EVERY SATURDAY BETWEEN THE HOURS OF EIGHT O'CLOCK AND THREE. BECAUSE AS SOCCER, WE HAVE THAT SOCCER, UH, STADIUM ISH. WE HAVE DURING THE SCHOOL DAY, WE HAVE THE, THE SCHOOL SYSTEMS AMONGST MANY OTHER ISSUES. SO I, I IMPLORE YOU TO TAKE THIS BACK TO YOUR, YOUR CLIENT, THAT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS NOT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE ON PAPER. WE ARE ALREADY CONGESTED TO THE T WE ALREADY HAVE THE CRIME AND THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DEAL AS A NEIGHBORHOOD WITH TAKING CARE OF ONE ANOTHER, THAT THIS IS NOT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE'RE NOT AGAINST DEVELOPMENT. WE'RE NOT AGAINST SAYING, PLEASE DON'T COME HERE. WE WANT PEOPLE TO COME HERE, BUT WE JUST WANT YOU TO USE THE SINGLE FAMILY, UM, THAT IS ZONED AS SO THAT WAY WE CAN MAINTAIN THE LEVEL OF COMMUNITY TOGETHERNESS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. THERE IS A PLACE AND THERE IS A LOCATION FOR MULTI-FAMILY HOMES. THIS JUST ISN'T THAT. THIS IS, YOU CAN TELL BY THE PASSION, AND I DO APOLOGIZE ON BEHALF OF EVERYBODY FOR THE OUTBURSTS BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE HOW PASSIONATE IT BE ABOUT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE LOVE WHERE WE LIVE. I DIDN'T GROW UP IN TEXAS, BUT I BECAME A TEXAS RESIDENT. I'M TEXAN AS IT'S GONNA GET AS A CON, A CONVERT. I LOVE SHIRTS. WHEN MY WIFE BOUGHT HERE BEFORE WE GOT MARRIED, I WAS LIKE, WHAT DID I GET MYSELF INTO? BUT I HAVE GROWN TO LOVE SHIRTS AND, AND I HAVE LIVED IN APARTMENT COMPLEXES, AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT IT IS A DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENT, BUT IT IS NOT WHAT WE WANT FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. WE, WE IMPLORE YOU GUYS TO MAKE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO CITY COUNCIL NOT TO APPROVE THIS BECAUSE YOU CAN TELL BY JUST SIMPLY THIS AS WELL, 107 NAYS THAT YOU GOT, THAT THIS IS NOT WANTED IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. NOT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THE PEOPLE, BUT WE DON'T WANT THE BUILDING. WE DON'T WANT THE IMPACT AND THE, AND THE TROUBLE AND THE HEADACHES THAT IT'S GONNA CAUSE BECAUSE WE LIVE HERE. THIS IS OUR AREA THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH. AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU GUYS LIVE, BUT PUT YOURSELF IN OUR POSITION IF THIS WAS TO HAPPEN WHERE YOU LIVE, IF YOU HAD THIS BIG AN IMPACT WHEN IT COMES TO PEOPLE, VEHICLES, SAFETY AND CRIME, AND THE AVAILABILITY TO EMERGENCY SERVICES. SO THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AGAIN. YOU'RE WELCOME. ALRIGHT, COME ON UP. MY NAME'S ANGELA CHAPLIN. I RESIDE AT 4 1 5 WALNUT CREST AND SELMA. I'M GONNA GO FROM A LITTLE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE. I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN IN PROPERTY MANAGEMENT FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS, SO I KNOW FIRSTHAND THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC, THE AMOUNT OF CRIME THAT IT CAN BRING BECAUSE I DEAL WITH IT EVERY SINGLE DAY. AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASK A LITTLE BIT OF, HE STATED THAT THERE'S A HOUSING CRISIS RIGHT NOW. THERE'S NOT A HOUSING CRISIS RIGHT NOW IN SAN ANTONIO. MATTER OF FACT, THE RENTAL OCCUPANCY IS ALMOST AT THE LOWEST [01:10:01] IT'S BEEN IN I VACCINE IN 15 YEARS. UM, OUR OCCUPANCY RIGHT NOW IN THE APARTMENT COMMUNITIES IS ANYWHERE FROM 85 TO 92% AT MAX. UM, I WORK IN SAN ANTONIO AT A COMMUNITY THAT FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS WE'VE BEEN PRE-LEASED. AND RIGHT NOW I'M AT 90% OCCUPIED BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH DEVELOPMENT GOING ON IN SAN ANTONIO RIGHT NOW AND THE SURROUNDING AREAS. THERE'S NOT A SHORTAGE OF HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE. THERE'S FOUR APARTMENTS GOING UP RIGHT NOW, JUST RIGHT SIDE OUTSIDE OF 16-YEAR-OLD, FOUR AND 35. SO WE MOVED OUT HERE ABOUT NINE YEARS AGO TO GET AWAY FROM ALL OF THAT. I HAVE THREE KIDS, TWO OF WHICH HAVE GRADUATED, AND I HAVE A SON THAT IS IN JUNIOR HIGH. THIS IS OUR FOREVER HOME. THIS IS WHY WE MOVED OUT HERE TO BE A PART OF A SMALLER COMMUNITY, LESS TRAFFIC, LESS CRIME. THIS IS JUST GONNA BRING MORE. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. UH, GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS FRANCISCO ROSAS, 3 1 2 9 MABA DRIVE. I'M WITHIN THE 200 FOOT BUFFER. MY HOUSE IS EXACTLY RIGHT BEHIND WHERE THAT GREEN SPACE IS GONNA BE IN. UH, ONE OF THE THINGS IS, IS THAT DEVELOPER NEVER REACHED OUT TO US. ME AND MY SPOUSE BOTH WORK, BUT WE'RE HOME ON THE EVENINGS OF THE WEEKENDS. WE RECEIVED NO NOTIFICATION ABOUT THIS UNTIL JUST RECENTLY WHEN WE SAW THE SIGNS UP IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE ARE UNIVERSAL CITY. WE'RE NOT SHIRTS, BUT NO ONE HAS COME BACK TO TALK TO US. I ALSO WORK AT THIS, UH, COMMUNITY COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION MANAGER FOR AN HOA COMPANY AS WELL. WHEN THE DEVELOPER REACHES OUT TO, UH, ASSOCIATION MANAGERS, THEY DON'T JUST CALL, THEY SEND LETTERS, CERTIFIED LETTERS. THEY ALSO GET IN CONTACT WITH THEM IN THEIR OFFICES. I'VE HAD DEVELOPERS SIT IN MY OFFICE AND TALK TO ME ABOUT OTHER DEVELOPMENTS WITH MY OTHER HOAS. I DON'T HAVE ANY HOAS IN THIS AREA. BUT IF A DEVELOPER REALLY WANTED TO GET AHOLD OF A COMMUNITY, UH, COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION MANAGER AND SPEAK TO THE HOAS, THEY WOULD MAKE IT HAPPEN. THE FACT THAT WE GOT NO NOTIFICATION, A LOT OF OTHER RESIDENTS GET NOTIFICATION ABOUT THIS UNTIL WE SAW THE SIGNS. NOW, ONE OF THE THINGS IS THEY DID REACH OUT TO JBSA THREE TIMES TO MAKE SURE HE'S WITHIN COMPLIANCE WITH THAT ZONE SO THEY CAN DEVELOP WHERE THEY WANT TO BE, BUT NOTHING ELSE. SO I AM DEFINITELY AGAINST THIS BECAUSE WE HAVE NO NOTIFICATION OF ANYTHING. THIS IS THE FIRST WE'VE EVEN SEEN THESE CONCEPT PLANS. WE FEEL THAT THIS COMMUNITY IS GREAT. ME AND MY HUSBAND MOVED HERE OUT OF THE CITY 'CAUSE WE THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE. WE LOVE WHERE WE'RE AT. WE LOVE OUR NEIGHBORS. WE TALK TO EVERYBODY, BUT NO ONE IN THE, UH, THE DEVELOPER HAS REACHED OUT TO US AT ALL, TOLD US NOTHING. AND OUR HOUSE IS DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THIS, WITHIN THE 200 FOOT BUFFER. SO IF THAT'S THE CASE THAT THEY DID REACH OUT TO US, I SEE NOTHING. ALRIGHT, I AM AGAINST IT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I, MICHELLE YORK, 36 0 1 SLA RANCH. AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH THE FACT THAT THEY TRIED TO REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITY EVEN THOUGH THEY DID HAVE PHONE CALLS, UM, JUST LIKE THIS OTHER GENTLEMAN SAID. UM, THERE COULD HAVE BEEN MORE OF AN EFFORT TO, TO REACH OUT TO THE, THE ACTUAL RESIDENTS AND ASK, YOU KNOW, QUESTIONS AND TALK TO THE PEOPLE IN THE 200 BUFFER. UM, THE OTHER THING THAT I KIND OF HEARD COME HERE, AND MAYBE I WAS WRONG, BUT I I HEARD THAT HE WAS SAYING THAT THE LAWYER WAS SAYING THAT, UM, ORDINANCES ARE IN PLACE THAT SHIRTS CAN ENFORCE. AND SO WHAT I HEARD WITH THAT IS, UM, THEY'RE GONNA BUILD A NICE SHINY COMMUNITY, PUT A LOT OF PEOPLE IN A VERY SMALL PLACE, AND THEN LEAVE IT TO US, THE RESIDENTS, TO FUND MORE PD TO HAVE TO, UH, HAVE TO GET THE WATER, TO GET THE RESOURCES TO MAINTAIN THE TRAFFIC. SO THEY'RE GONNA COME IN, THEY'RE GONNA DEVELOP SOMETHING VERY NICE THAT THEY FEEL IS VERY NICE, AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA SAY SHIRTS, GOOD LUCK WITH THAT. UM, HOW ARE WE GONNA GET THE RESOURCES FOR THE, FOR THE, THE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? WE CAN'T EVEN FILL I, YOU KNOW, POSITIONS WE ALREADY HAVE THERE AREN'T PEOPLE APPLYING FOR THOSE POSITIONS. 498 NEW RESIDENTS AT THREE, THREE PEOPLE PER RESIDENT. 1500 MORE RESIDENTS. ARE WE GONNA NEED MORE PD? ARE WE GONNA HAVE THE RESOURCES TO HIRE MORE PD? YES, WITH DEVELOPMENT COMES MONEY, BUT ALSO COMES MORE DRAINAGE AS WELL. SO I JUST WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE A RECOMMENDATION OF NO, FOR THIS RIGHT NOW, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH ANSWERS FOR THESE QUESTIONS TO, TO ACTUALLY FIX THE RESOURCES BEFORE WE PUT A NICE BIG DEVELOPMENT IN. UM, I JUST REALLY WANT YOU GUYS TO DO THE RECOMMENDATION OF NO, AND, AND KEEP IT AS A, AS AN R TWO RIGHT NOW. 'CAUSE WE JUST, I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE HAVE THE RESOURCES. THE SCHOOL, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS HERE, THE SCHOOL LINE FROM PASCHAL ACTUALLY GOES FROM PASCHAL ELEMENTARY ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THAT PARTICULAR OPENING EVERY DAY. UM, THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE ROAD FROM THE DRAINAGE DITCH BACK TO WHERE WE ARE. AND SO THAT'S A BIG SAFETY ISSUE FOR ME. I HAVE THREE KIDS AND THEY ALL GO TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. AND SO WALKING HOME IS A BIG THING ON THAT CURVE. UM, RIGHT AS YOU'RE COMING AROUND THE CORNER, WE'VE SEEN WHERE, UM, I'VE ACTUALLY SEEN A CAR COME AROUND THERE AND KANE FLIP OVER AND LAND IN THAT DITCH. AND IT IS [01:15:01] NOT, NOT A SAFE AREA RIGHT THERE. AND ADDING SO MUCH MORE TRAFFIC IS JUST GOING TO MAKE IT THAT MUCH MORE UNSAFE. SO IT'S JUST REALLY NOT A, IT'S NOT GOOD AT THIS TIME. LIKE, I'M NOT SAYING I DON'T WANT IT EVER TO HAPPEN, LIKE I AM NOT FOR MULTI-FAMILY, BUT RESIDENTIAL, LIKE LET'S KEEP IT WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE SO THAT WE CAN GROW AT A, AT A PACE WHERE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE CAN ACTUALLY SUPPORT IT. I DON'T REALLY FEEL LIKE THIS IS STRUCTURALLY SOUND. THANK YOU. UH, MY NAME IS BRAD PARKER. 3, 2, 3 RUSTIC WILLOW, UH, TO ADDRESS THE TRAFFIC, YOU'RE PROBABLY RIGHT. SAVANNAH CAN PROBABLY TAKE A LITTLE EXTRA TRAFFIC. BUT 15, 18 AND SHIRTS, PARKWAY CAN'T. IT'S NOT GETTING OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR NOT GETTING TO THOSE TWO INTERSECTIONS. THAT'S THE PROBLEM. UH, I JUST STARTED A FAMILY. I MOVED OUT HERE SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE IT IS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AREA. THERE WAS PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR ME TO BUY SOME REALLY NICE PLACES OVER IN TAMA PARK, BUT I DIDN'T. 'CAUSE I'VE SEEN THE CRIME REPORTS THERE, THERE EVERYWHERE I'VE BEEN. WHEN I LIVED BACK HOME IN DENVER ABOUT THREE BLOCKS DOWN, THEY BUILT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, VERY NICE. IT WAS ACTUALLY ALL VERY HIGH DOLLAR, WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT, VERY LUXURY LIVING. BUT IT BROUGHT SO MUCH CRIME AND SO MUCH TRAFFIC AND SO MANY PEOPLE. I LOST ALMOST $85,000 IN VALUE ON MY HOUSE. IT WAS ONLY WORTH 160 WHEN I OWNED IT. ANYWAY, IT'S ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO. BUT WITH THE AMOUNT OF ADDED TRAFFIC, THE AMOUNT OF EXTRA PEOPLE THAT ARE GETTING ADDED IN, MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THE SAFETY AND HAPPINESS OF MY FAMILY AND THOSE FAMILIES LIVING AROUND ME. UM, KIP MENTIONED IT EARLIER. THERE WAS ALREADY UN UNFORTUNATE VEHICULAR PEDESTRIAN ACCIDENT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD OVER THE WEEKEND ALREADY. UH, WE DON'T WANT TO SEE ANY MORE REPEATS OF THAT. ADDING THIS TYPE OF A POPULATION DENSITY. THOSE KIDS ARE PROBABLY NEVER GONNA MAKE IT TO SCHOOL SAFE. AND THE KIDS ARE THE ONLY THING THAT WE REALLY SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT. UM, I'M REALLY BAD AT THIS. SO KIND OF READ SOMETHING FROM THE EMAIL I DID SEND IN, JUST THAT WE LIVE IN THE, THE KENSINGTON RANCH COMMUNITY. UH, WE NOTICED THAT REZONING AND WE ARE NONE TOO PLEASED WITH THE POSSIBILITY. UH, APARTMENT COMPLEXES JUST BRING MORE NOISE, MORE PEOPLE, MORE TRAFFIC. UH, GETTING OUTTA THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS ALREADY BAD ENOUGH. UH, THE CONSTRUCTION ALONE IS GOING TO BE, IS GONNA WREAK HAVOC ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND PROJECTS LIKE THAT. NEVER GO FAST. LOOK AT THAT MASSIVE COMPLEX THAT'S GOING UP ON 1604. AND WHAT IS THAT JUDSON? I THINK IT'S BEEN BUILDING FOR, SINCE I MOVED HERE TO TEXAS AND THAT WAS FIVE YEARS AGO. UH, MY FAMILY AND I ARE VEHEMENTLY OPPOSED TO THE REZONING DEVELOPING THE LAND BY ALL MEANS. BUT WE REALLY NEED TO KEEP IT A SINGLE FAMILY HOME COMMUNITY. UH, IT'S JUST WHAT FITS. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME BOB ROSALES 2 4 6 RUSTIC WILLOW. I'M AGAINST THE REZONING OF THE ZONE OF THE AREA. UM, I KNOW THE ATTORNEY HIRED A AN ENGINEER FOR THE TRAFFIC AND WELL, I MEAN, WE'VE LIVED HERE FOR 10 YEARS. THEY COULD HAVE JUST ASKED AROUND. THERE'S DEFINITELY NO WAY THAT WE CAN TAKE ANY MORE TRAFFIC. AND I KNOW THERE'S, YOU KNOW, PROVISIONS FOR POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, AUGMENTING THE CURRENT, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT GIVES NO CLUES AS TO WHAT IT'S, WHAT THAT MEANS AND WHAT'S GONNA TAKE THE REALITY IS WE, WE ARE HOMEOWNERS HERE. WE HAVE INVESTED IN OUR PROPERTIES. WE TAKE PRIDE IN OUR PROPERTIES. WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT OUR PROPERTY VALUES STAY CONSISTENT AND NOT DROP BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF APARTMENTS COMING IN, OVER 450 APARTMENTS, 4 62 OR SOMETHING. IT'S JUST GONNA ADD A LOT OF CRIME TO THE AREA. WE HAVE THE PROXIMITY OF THE SCHOOL RIGHT THERE. IT'S GOING TO, IT'S GOING TO AFFECT THE KIDS. IT'S JUST NONSENSICAL TO PUT THIS MULTI-FAMILY COMPLEX IN THE AREA. IT'S JUST, IT'S NOT A SMART MOVE. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF UNHAPPY TAXPAYERS IF THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS, RIGHT? THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. BARBARA WARGO, 3 5 1 3 BLUE BLOOMBURG SELMA. UM, I HAVE A, A COUPLE ISSUES. ONE ABOVE. THIS COMMUNITY HAS TWO ENTRANCES. THEY CAREFULLY SAY THAT THE ENTRANCE FROM THE UNIVERSAL CITY SIDE IS FOR EMERGENCY USE ONLY. SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ALL 463 UNITS COMING IN AND OUT THE UNIT. THE DR THE ENTRANCE THAT GOES ONTO SAVANNAH DRIVE HAS POTENTIALLY 1200 VEHICLES GOING IN AND OUT ON SAVANNAH DRIVE. THERE IS NO WAY THAT IS NOT GONNA IMPACT THINGS. THEY SAY IT MIGHT HAVE A [01:20:01] SLIGHT DELETERIOUS EFFECT. THAT EFFECT IS GONNA BE GINORMOUS. AND THEY SAID IT'S NOT GONNA AFFECT TRAFFIC PATTERNS ONTO 1518. I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY CAME UP WITH THAT CONCLUSION. THAT'S GOTTA BE AGGIE MATH. UM, THERE, THERE'S JUST NO WAY. THERE IS NO WAY. AND THEN WE TAKE IT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER. LOOK AT HEB. IF YOU'VE BEEN THERE ON SUNDAY AFTER CHURCH OR COSTCO, THE LINES ALREADY, THERE'S NO WAY YOU'RE GONNA ADD IN 463 MORE FAMILIES GOING TO THERE AND TO COSTCO AND TO, YOU KNOW, WALMART WHERE THERE'S NEVER ANYBODY BEHIND THE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO CHECK OUT. I MEAN WE, WE CAN'T SUPPORT THAT KIND OF STUFF RIGHT NOW WITH THESE MULTI-FAMILIES. WE NEED TO LOOK AFTER THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE RIGHT NOW THAT, THAT, THAT IS GONNA BE A FREAKING NIGHTMARE FOR EVERYBODY WHO LIVES HERE. IF YOU WANNA PUT IN SINGLE FAMILY UNITS, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE FOR, NOT FOR RENT, BUT FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BUY THEM AND MAINTAIN THEM AND PUT THEM AT APPROPRIATE DENSITY, WHAT THEY DID IS THEY CAN'T BUILD IN A FLOOD ZONE. YEAH, YOU CAN'T BUILD IN A FLOOD ZONE. BUT YOU KNOW, THEY'RE SITTING THERE AND SO THEY'RE BUILDING UP 'CAUSE THEY GOTTA CRAM IT IN 'CAUSE THEY GOTTA GET THOSE NUMBERS IN TO MAKE THE MONEY FOR THE OUT OF TOWN. PEOPLE ARE INVESTED, BUT THEY'RE NOT LOOKING AFTER THE PEOPLE ARE HERE ON OUR QUALITY OF LIFE. SO THEY NEED TO, TO, TO SKIP WHATEVER MAGIC NUMBERS ARE COMING UP WITH, BUT SERIOUSLY. AND THEN WHO'S GONNA POLICE IT? YOU'VE GOT SELMA, YOU'VE GOT SHIRTS, YOU'VE GOT UNIVERSAL CITY. WHO'S RESPONSIBLE IF THERE'S AN EMERGENCY, WHO COMES AND RESPONDS? OH, NOW THESE ARE THE SELMA PEOPLE. NO, THIS IS, THIS IS THE SHIRTS PART. NO, THIS IS THE UNIVERSAL CITY PART WHO COMES AND TAKES CARE OF IT IF THERE'S AN EMERGENCY THAT MAKES NO SENSE. SO PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE VOTE AGAINST THIS MONSTROSITY. THANK YOU. EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. MY NAME IS MARK JUAREZ. I LIVE AT 2 3 7 HAWKS MEADOWS ON THE SELMA SIDE. SO I'M GONNA TALK TO Y'ALL FOR A MILITARY AND A FINANCIAL SIDE OF THIS. ALL RIGHT, SO ONE, YOU'RE GONNA BUILD THIS LITTLE SUBDIVISION, THIS LITTLE HOUSING COMPLEX. THIS IS IN A FLIGHT LINE. I'M A RETIRED MARINE. I WAS STATIONED OUT IN CAMP PENDLETON AND 29 PALMS IN CALIFORNIA. THEY DID THIS NEXT TO MIRAMAR MARINE CORPS AIR STATION NEXT TO THE IMPACT AREAS WHERE IF A PLANE LOST POWER AND HAD TO CRASH LAND, THEY'RE GONNA LAND IN SOMEBODY'S LIVING ROOM AND KILL SOMEBODY. SO WHAT THEY STARTED DOING WAS MOVING ALL THE FIXING UNITS OUT OF MIRAMAR TO OTHER CAMPS. NOW THIS TOWN SURVIVES OFF OF FLIGHT TRAINING. SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE MILITARY DECIDES, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE GONNA PICK UP FLIGHT TRAINING AND FINISH MOVING IT TO CORPUS, OR WE'RE JUST GONNA MOVE IT ALL THE WAY TO FLORIDA AND YOU LOSE ALL YOUR MONEY FROM THE BASE AND THEN YOUR SCHOOLS LOSE THEIR MONEY FROM THE STUDENTS ATTENDING YOUR SCHOOLS. THINK ABOUT IT. SO YOU'RE EITHER GONNA GET SOMEBODY KILLED WHEN SOMEBODY LANDS IN THEIR LIVING ROOM OR YOU'RE GONNA LOSE THE MONEY FROM OUR KIDS NO LONGER ATTENDING YOUR SCHOOLS. Y'ALL NEED TO START THINKING HARDER, SMARTER, BE GROWNUPS. SHE'S NOT TELLING YOU THE TRUTH OF WHAT HAPPENS WHEN ONE OF THESE PLANES CRASHES IN YOUR LIVING ROOM. IT HAPPENS PLENTY OF TIMES AT MIRAMAR WHEN A F 18 GOES DOWN OR YOU HAVE A HELICOPTER CRASH IN YOUR POOL. SHE'S NOT GONNA ADMIT THAT. AND SHE'S NOT GONNA TELL YOU THAT. YOU CAN LOOK UP THE STUDIES. MY GRANDFATHER WAS A CRASHING INVESTIGATOR FOR A FIXED WING. IT DOESN'T JUST CRASH IN A SMALL FIVE FOOT BLOCK. THESE PLANES, WHEN THEY IMPACT THE GROUND, THAT PLANE CRASH, ALL THE SCATTERED REMNANTS GO OVER A MILE DEPENDING ON WHAT ANGLE HE HITS THE GROUND. IF YOU AREN'T, HAVEN'T SERVED IN THE MILITARY AND HAVEN'T DONE A TRAP MISSION, YOU HAVEN'T HAD TO PICK UP PLANE PARTS AND THEN YOU WON'T EVEN HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT PICKING UP BODY PARTS FOR DAYS AND DAYS LATER WHEN YOU FINALLY SMELL HIM. SO WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO WHEN THOSE KIDS WALKING HOME FROM SCHOOL FIND SOMEBODY IN A DITCH? HOW ARE WE GONNA REACT TO THAT? THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING, YOU'RE PLANNING ON DOING BEFORE YOU GIVE THIS LADY AND THIS HOME DEVELOPER AND THESE LAWYERS THE THUMBS UP. IT'S NOT A SMART IDEA TO DO THIS. THESE PILOTS ARE ALREADY RUNNING OUT OF ROOM BETWEEN THE FLIGHT LINE AND THESE OPEN FIELDS BECAUSE THEY ALREADY BUILT A HOME SUBDIVISION ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE FLIGHT LINE OR YOUR [01:25:01] OTHER FIRE STATION'S AT WHEN THEY GO TO TAKE OFF OR LAND FROM THAT DIRECTION. THERE'S ALREADY HOUSES THERE. THERE'S NO WORK FOR THEM TO DROP THAT PLANE. THEY'RE LOSING ROOM TO DROP. Y'ALL NEED TO THINK ABOUT THIS. ALRIGHT. HI LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR GIVING US YOUR TIME TONIGHT. I APPRECIATE IT. UH, MY NAME IS JENNIFER SHOEMAKER. I LIVE AT 3 8 1 9 MISTY QUAIL IN KENSINGTON RANCH. AND MY NEIGHBORS HAVE ALL REALLY MADE SOME, UM, FANTASTIC POINTS AND I DON'T NEED TO REGURGITATE THEM. YOU'VE HEARD THEM OVER AND OVER AGAIN. I CERTAINLY HOPE THAT YOU WILL GIVE THEM SINCERE CONSIDERATION AND, UM, I REALLY JUST WANTED TO COME UP HERE TO THE PODIUM SO THAT I CAN BE ON THE RECORD, UM, IN OPPOSITION OF THIS, UM, REZONING PROPOSITION. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND PLEASE DO CONSIDER IT . OH, OH, NO, DON'T WORRY ABOUT. OH, OKAY. . UH, MY NAME IS PIN . I LIVE ON 3 5 2 8 IRISH CREEK. UH, I JUST HAVE COUPLE QUESTIONS. I WILL NOT QUITE UNDERSTANDING HOW THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS WAS DONE, BECAUSE I FEEL IT SEEMS TO BE SURROUNDED ONLY ON SAVANNAH, BUT I LIVE IN KENSTON RANCH SINCE 2011. I'VE SEEN THE HOUSE BEING BUILT. I'VE SEEN THE ALL THE DIFFERENT SUBDIVISION BE THE TRAFFIC IS NOT ON SAVANNAH. THE TRAFFIC IS PEOPLE TRYING TO GET OUT TO 35. THE TRAFFIC IS PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GET BACK TO A 78. HAVE WE DONE ANALYSIS OF LOADS? BECAUSE I HAVE SEEN THE INCREASED TRAFFIC OVER THE YEAR, ESPECIALLY, WELL, I DON'T HAVE KIDS. I GO 15, 18. THAT HAS SUBSTANTIALLY INCREASED THE TRAFFIC OVER THE YEAR BECAUSE OF THE, BECAUSE OF DEVELOPMENT. LIKE THIS AFTERNOON WE WERE TRYING TO GET ON 35, THE TRAFFIC WAS BACK ALL THE WAY TO VALERO. THAT'S ABOUT ONE MILE, ALMOST ONE MILE AWAY TRAFFIC. NOW WE ARE THINKING ABOUT, I THINK , SOMEBODY SAID THEY WERE, WE HAVE ABOUT A THOUSAND NEIGHBORS. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY WE HAVE ON THE OTHER SUBDIVISION. NOW WE'RE GONNA ADD A THOUSAND TO THAT. THAT TRAFFIC IS GONNA BACK ALL THE WAY TO 1518 AND SAVANNAH. NOW HERE'S THE OTHER THING. 15, 18 AND SAVANNAH, WE DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TO LAND COMING FROM 78 PEOPLE RUSHING TO THE LIGHT TO TURN RIGHT ONTO SAVANNAH. THAT IS SOME TRAFFIC BUFFER THAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE AND POTENTIAL ESSENCE RIGHT THERE. THE SECOND, SO THAT WAS ONE TRAFFIC THING. I WAS WONDERING WHY ARE WE ONLY DOING ANALYSIS ON THIS SMALL AREA WHERE MOST PEOPLE ACTUALLY HAVE TO GET OUTSIDE OF THAT AREA. UH, THE SECOND THING I WAS WONDERING ALSO IS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE SAFETY ANALYSIS, THE SAFETY REPORT, WHY ARE WE ONLY LOOKING AT A 200 BUFFER FEE? THERE'S NOBODY LIVING THERE. I'M SORRY. THERE'S 65 PEOPLE. 65 PEOPLE DOES NOT REPRESENT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THAT SURROUNDING AREA. IT DOES NOT REPRESENT THE 1000 PEOPLE OR EVEN JUST 600 PEOPLE THAT IS ON THE ESTATE PORTION OF IT. THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE BEING AFFECTED ANOTHER STREET. AND THE OTHER THING I WANT, I WAS WONDERING ABOUT BEAUTY IS HAVE YOU DONE THE FLAW ANALYSIS BECAUSE THAT'S LITTLE STRIP BETWEEN SAVANNAH AND YOUR PROPERTY IS FLOODED EVERY SINGLE TIME THERE'S A HEAVY RED. SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER TOO WHEN IT COMES TO FLOOD CONCERNS. ALSO, IF THE OTHER LAND ON THE OTHER SIDE IS VACANT, WHY ARE WE NOT CONSIDER? AND OKAY, SORRY IF THE OTHER SIDE IS BACKING AND SAVANNAH IS ALREADY CROWDED, WHY ARE WE NOT PUTTING AN EXIT ON THE OTHER SIDE? THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO CONSIDER TOO, IS HOW, IF WE REALLY DO WANT THIS HAPPEN, I KNOW IT'S EXTRA EFFORT TO PUT IN THE STREET. I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IF IT IS NECESSARY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. KEITH PATTERSON, 3 6 4 SILVER RIVER IN SHIRTS, UH, LONG TIME SHIRT, RE SHIRTS, RESIDENT. WE'VE BEEN HERE ALMOST 30 YEARS. WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN PROUD TO BE A PART OF THE CITY. LOVE THE WALKING PATHS, BIKE PATHS, ALL THE DECISIONS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL'S MADE OVER THE YEARS. IT'S BEEN GREAT. UM, WE BUILT THREE HOUSES HERE IN CHURCH OVER THE YEARS AND WE BUILT ALL THREE OF THEM AWAY FROM APARTMENT COMPLEXES ON PURPOSE. AND SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE [01:30:01] YOU TO LOOK AT THAT TRAFFIC VERY CAREFULLY. THE ANA ANALYTICAL DATA THAT THEY PRESENTED, UH, IS VASTLY DIFFERENT FROM MY EXPERIENCE, UM, WITHOUT 500 MORE FAMILIES. THE OTHER THING ABOUT THAT IS THE TIMING. UM, IF YOU HAVE SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT, THE, THE ADDITION OF FAMILIES AND CARS IS SLOW. IF YOU BUILD MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING, THE ADDITION OF FAMILIES AND CARS AND INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS GOES QUICKLY. YOU JUST DROP 500 PEOPLE ON THE PROPERTY AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'VE GOT ALL OF THESE EXTRA NEEDS, POLICE SUPPORT, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE, TRAFFIC. AND THEN AS WE KNOW, INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS DON'T GO QUICKLY. AND SO WE WOULD BE THE ONES BURDENED. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THE FUNDING WORKS ON THIS, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT IF IT'S NOT A GREAT ADVANTAGE TO THE CITY AND IF THERE'S NOT, UH, FEDERAL OR STATE FUNDS THAT ARE COMING BECAUSE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, THAT THIS NUMBER OF PEOPLE, UM, ENCOURAGING YOU TO BOY OUR PROPERTY VALUES, YOU KNOW, THAT'S US GIVING YOU MORE MONEY. SO IF IT, IF IT'S NOT A GREAT ADVANTAGE TO THE, TO THE CITY, I THINK YOU SHOULD CONSIDER THE ADVANTAGES YOU WOULD HAVE WITH HAPPY RESIDENCE. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS RICHARD DAVID DANIELS. I PROVIDE, I RESIDE AT, UH, 3 5 2 4 ENCHANTED FARM IN, UH, SHIRTZ. AND UH, I'VE LIVED THERE SINCE 2009 AND I'VE BEEN A SHIRTS RESIDENT SINCE 2005. I FIRST LIKE TO SAY THAT, UH, I MOVED TO TO SHIRTS FROM THE, UH, WEST COAST BACK IN 2005. AND I LOVE SHIRTS AS A CITY. I'VE BEEN VERY, VERY PLEASED WITH, UH, THE DIRECTION THAT THE CITY HAS GONE AND EVERYTHING AND DON'T WANNA LIVE ANYWHERE ELSE. I WANTED TO RETIRE HERE. WELL, THAT ALL CHANGED WHEN I SAW THAT NOTICE UP THERE FOR THE REZONING. AND SO I WANNA SAY THAT I APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION. IT'S VERY, IT WAS VERY, VERY WELL DONE. THE COUNCIL, I APPRECIATE THERE THEY HAD ALL THE PROS IN THERE. OKAY, I FEEL THE ANSWERS ON WHY THIS PROJECT SHOULD NOT BE APPROVED IS IN BOTH OF THOSE PRESENTATIONS AND IT SHOWS IT ON THE ONE SNAPSHOT WHERE YOU SEE THE ZOOMED OUT PHOTO OF THIS AREA AND ALL THAT IS AROUND IT. AND ALL YOU SEE IS RESIDENTIAL HOMES, PEOPLE, FAMILIES JUST LIKE ME. TO ME, THAT PARTICULAR PICTURE IN BOTH PRESENTATIONS HAD A PROFOUND EFFECT ON ME BECAUSE THAT'S THE ANSWER. WHY IT SHOULD NOT BE APPROVED IS BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE LIKE IT AROUND. THERE IS ALL RESIDENTIAL HOMES ALL THE WAY AROUND IT. AND I CANNOT FATHOM IN MY MIND WHY YOU WOULD EVEN CONSIDER THIS. AND I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. MY NAME IS AMY CAPELLO. I LIVE AT 3 6 8, UH, SILVER RIVER IN CHURCH SIDE OF KENSINGTON RANCH. UM, I DO HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES WITH THE IDEA OF MULTI APARTMENT RENTALS GOING IN, UH, TO OUR AREA. UH, I KNOW THEY WERE SAYING THAT TRAFFIC'S NOT AN ISSUE, BUT SOMETHING ELSE TO CONSIDER WITH THE TRAFFIC IS ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO THERE WAS AN ACCIDENT THAT TOOK OUT THE, UH, STREETLIGHT AT, UH, 1518 IN SAVANNAH AND TRAFFIC TRYING TO GET OUT, ESPECIALLY TURNING LEFT BECAUSE IT WAS LEFT AS A STOP SIGN FOR US. AND IT WAS A THREE-WAY FOR, UH, 1518 WAS VERY HARD, UM, TO MITIGATE THROUGH. UH, AND SOMETHING TO CONSIDER WITH THAT IS IF THERE IS SOME TYPE OF MASSIVE ACCIDENT, UH, ROAD CONSTRUCTION WATER BREAK, SOMETHING WHERE YOU HAVE TO CLOSE EITHER 1518 DOWN OR SHORTZ PARKWAY DOWN, NOT ONLY DO YOU HAVE ALL THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE AREA CURRENTLY, BUT NOW YOU'RE SAYING AN ADDITIONAL, UH, WHO KNOWS HOW MANY ACTUAL VEHICLES GOING THROUGH FROM A POTENTIAL UP TO, YOU KNOW, 450 NEW HOMES THERE, UH, OR APARTMENTS. UH, ANOTHER THING I'M KIND OF CURIOUS ABOUT IS THE ENVIR. HAS THERE BEEN AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT DONE AS FAR AS, UH, BIRDS, WILDLIFE, UH, WATER, UH, SEWAGE, UH, POLLUTION? UM, I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE OF THE AREA. THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WE DECIDED TO RETIRE HERE, ESPECIALLY IN THIS AREA, BECAUSE THERE IS GREEN SPACE. [01:35:01] UM, IT'S VERY CLEAN, UH, WITH THE WATER. I KNOW WE HAVE, UM, THE AREA NOT ONLY JUST ACROSS FROM MYERS CREEK THAT HAS THE WATER BASIN, LIKE ARE THEY BRIDGING OVER IT? ARE THEY CUTTING INTO IT? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE'S NOT REALLY MUCH FLOODING ON SAVANNAH, BUT IF YOU TAKE THAT AREA OUT, IT COULD CAUSE. BUT ALSO WITH ALL THOSE HOUSES RIGHT NOW, WITH THE WAY WATER DRAINS, IT GOES, YOU KNOW, IT'S STILL PULLING UP IN MULTIPLE AREAS, ESPECIALLY DOWN, UH, THERE'S LIKE A BRIDGE, A WATERWAY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S CALLED, UH, WHERE A LOT OF THE WATER GOES, BUT HOW IS THIS GONNA IMPACT IT? I MEAN, IS IT GONNA MAKE IT FLOOD BECAUSE YOU'RE TAKING AWAY, I KNOW LIKE WE HAVE A 3000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE AND JUST FROM ONE DOWNSPOUT I CAN GET OVER 300 GALLONS OF WATER. SO THAT IS A CONCERN. ANOTHER CONCERN IS, UM, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. ARE YOU GONNA HAVE TO REZONE SOME OF THOSE HOUSES? NOT IN THIS AREA, BUT OUTSIDE LAYING AREAS FOR SOME OF THOSE SCHOOLS. SO SOME PARENTS DID PURCHASE HOUSES, NOT IN OUR AREA, BUT MAYBE AROUND THAT IS ZONED FOR PASCAL. ARE THEY GONNA HAVE TO BE REZONED? BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE BUY HOUSES JUST BASED ON WHERE THEIR KIDS ARE GONNA GO TO SCHOOL. AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING YOU GUYS SHOULD ADDRESS AS WELL. UM, AGAIN, I, YOU KNOW, I SEE THIS BEING A BAD THING RIGHT NOW, MAYBE DOWN THE ROAD, MAYBE ANOTHER LOCATION. AND I, I HOPE YOU GUYS WILL CONSIDER NOT VOTING FOR THIS OR VOTING NEGATIVE FOR THIS. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I APPRECIATE IT. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ELSIE HOUSTON. I LIVE, PULL THAT I LIVE AT 35 OUT. THERE YOU GO. OH FIVE BLUE MOON SPUR IN SELMA. I WAS NOT GONNA GET UP HERE AND SAY ANYTHING, BUT I THINK OF HEARING I, I'M OPPOSED TO THE ZONING, THE REZONING. I, MY, MY LATE HUSBAND AND I PURCHASED OUR HOME IN 2009. SO I HAVE SEEN THE DEVELOPMENT. I MYSELF HAVE WITNESSED THE TRAFFIC ON 1518, SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THEY GET THEIR DATA THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA BE IMPACTED ON THAT 15, 18. WHEN WE FIRST MOVED THERE, TRAFFIC WAS JUST UP TO WHERE THE GILMAN HONDA IS. WITHIN YEARS, A FEW YEARS IT STARTED BACKING UP TO, THERE'S LIKE A LITTLE SALOON NOW IT'S ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE VALERO. I MYSELF HAVE SEEN DEVELOPMENT IN OTHER AREAS, IN OTHER CITIES, AND I AM VERY PROUD TO SAY, WHEN SOMEBODY ASKS ME WHERE I LIVE, I TELL 'EM I LIVE IN THE VERY SAFEST AREA. AND THAT IS SELMA, TEXAS. I'M VERY PROUD TO SAY THAT IF THESE HOMES, THE MULTI-FAMILY HOMES COME UP, I DON'T THINK I CAN SAY THAT ANY LONGER. THIS IS A SAFETY ISSUE. I'VE SEEN CHILDREN WALK FROM THE SCHOOLS AND I'VE ALSO SEEN HOW RIGHT NOW THE IMPACT OF THAT ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ON SAVANNAH DRIVE, HOW FAR THAT TRAFFIC IS BACKED UP. I, I'M, I'M LUCKY ENOUGH TO SAY I DON'T HAVE SMALL CHILDREN, BUT WITH THIS MULTI-FAMILY REZONING, IF, IF THAT GOES UP THE TRAFFIC, WHO KNOWS WHERE IT'S GONNA GO. I ALREADY, I'M AFFECTED ALREADY ON SAVANNAH DRIVE BY THE CARS THAT ARE COMING UP FROM CHURCH PARKWAY. I MYSELF HAVE WITNESSED ACCIDENTS ON 1518. I STILL FEEL SAFE IN MY COMMUNITY. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PLACE TO LIVE, BUT I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T WANNA MOVE. WE BUILT OUR HOME THERE. I LIVE THERE ALONE NOW SINCE MY HUSBAND PASSED. I DON'T WANNA, I DON'T WANNA MOVE BECAUSE IT'S A VERY SAFE PLACE TO LIVE. WE HAVE THESE MULTI-FAMILY HOMES, WHO KNOWS WHO'S GONNA BE MOVING INTO THOSE AREAS. AND I, I CAN TRULY SAY I DON'T THINK I'LL FEEL SAFE. I'VE WITNESSED TRANSITS IN FORT WORTH, TEXAS. PLEASE DON'T ALLOW OUR COMMUNITY TO BECOME THAT WAY. THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. MY NAME IS DARLENE PANTOJA. I LIVE AT 3 0 1 7 MABA DRIVE. UH, ADDRESS IS ACTUALLY IS SHIRTS, BUT WE ARE ON THAT UNIVERSAL CITY SIDE. SO WE ARE IN THAT BUFFER AREA, UM, THAT IS BEING AFFECTED. AND I HAVE TO SAY, UH, I WAS A RESIDENT OF SHIRTS FROM 2017 TO 2020. UH, AND I MARRIED MY HUSBAND AND WE, YOU KNOW, HE KNEW HOW MUCH I LOVED SHIRTS AND THIS AREA, THIS, YOU KNOW, ALL THIS [01:40:01] AREA THAT HE DID ME A FAVOR BY MOVING BACK HOME, YOU KNOW, SO THIS IS MY HOME AND WE LOVE WHERE WE LIVE. WE LIVE IN ORCHARD PARK. IT'S A BRAND NEW NEIGHBORHOOD. WE'VE ONLY BEEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR ONE YEAR. SO I HAVE TO SAY, I'M NOT GONNA REGURGITATE WHAT EVERYBODY HAS SAID. I THINK THE POINT HAS BEEN MADE. CLEAR TRAFFIC IS AN ISSUE. I DEAL WITH THAT PERSONALLY MYSELF EVERY DAY. LUCKILY I CAN GET THROUGH MAYBE 20 MINUTES ON 15, 18 JUST TO GET TO 35. AND THEN I HAVE TO STRUGGLE THROUGH ANOTHER 30 MINUTES TO GET TO 14 HOUSTON WHERE I WORK. BUT WHAT I DO WANT TO, UM, SHARE WITH YOU ALL IS THE CONCERN THAT THIS IS A VERY FAMILY FRIENDLY AREA. VERY FAMILY ORIENTED. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I NOTICED IN THIS, UH, IN THIS AREA, I'VE NEVER SEEN SO MANY CHILDREN OUTSIDE PLAYING IN THE STREETS. I'VE NEVER SEEN SO MANY PEDESTRIANS OUTSIDE WALKING THEIR DOGS EXERCISING. YOU'VE GOT THESE BUSY STREETS, SAVANNAH 1518, AND THEN THE, AND THEN THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN ORCHARD PARK, THE, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I, I JUST WANNA SAY HOW MUCH I'M OPPOSED TO THIS. MY FAMILY IS OPPOSED TO THIS. AND I HOPE THAT YOU ALL WILL CONSIDER OPPOSING THIS PLAN. I'M NOT GONNA TAKE ANY MORE OF YOUR TIME. AND AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME. HELLO, I'M CHRISTINA CARILLO. I LIVE OFF OF FA PASS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT BEHIND THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. I'VE LIVED HERE FOR A LITTLE OVER 20 YEARS. I'VE HAD TWO HOUSES, BUILTIN SHIRTS. I WANTED TO REMAIN HERE. OF COURSE, THE SCHOOL SYSTEM IS THE REASON I MOVED HERE. IT'S BEEN GREAT FOR MY KIDS. THEY'RE ALL BOTH IN COLLEGE. SO IT'S GREAT ATMOSPHERE FOR THE KIDS TO GROW AND PROSPER. THE FAMILIES ARE AN ENCOURAGEMENT TO THAT. THE KIND OF KIDS AND THE KIND OF FAMILIES THAT THAT GROW HERE IN CHURCH ARE ONES THAT WANT TO ENCOURAGE KIDS TO DO BETTER, BE BETTER. I'VE LIVED IN COMPLEXES BEFORE WHEN ME AND MY HUSBAND WERE YOUNG, YOU KNOW, BARELY STARTING OUT. HE DID SECURITY. AND I WILL LET YOU KNOW, HE WAS CALLED OUT ALMOST EVERY NIGHT. THAT'S THE KIND OF ENVIRONMENT A COMPLEX HAS. WHETHER IT BE LOUD NOISES, FIGHTS, POOLS, HOT TUBS, ACTIVITIES, WHATEVER. THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING GOING ON AT THE COMPLEX. WHEN WE DECIDED TO MOVE OVER HERE IN SHIRTS, IT WAS BECAUSE IT WAS A SMALL COMMUNITY. I UNDERSTAND IT'S GROWN. I LOVE THE GROWTH. IT'S BEAUTIFUL HOMES, EXPENSIVE HOMES, OKAY? THEY'RE NOT JUST MEDIAN HOMES HERE. THEY'RE MEDIAN AND ABOVE. WHEN YOU BRING IN A COMPLEX, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GONNA GET. I'M NOT SURE IF THE ANSWER HAS BEEN SAID OR NOT. IF THERE'S SLIDING SCALE, SECTION EIGHT GONNA BE INVOLVED. ANY OF THAT. I KNOW IT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT ANYBODY HAS SAID HERE, BUT I'M SURE IT'S ON THEIR MINDS. I'M JUST SAYING IT. I DON'T WANT THAT KIND OF COMMUNITY HERE BECAUSE WE'RE SAFE HERE. MY KIDS ARE SAFE HERE. WE'RE ALL SAFE HERE. AND MY NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE WAS A CRIME RIGHT IN MY AREA. THE COPS RESPONDED WITHIN TWO MINUTES BECAUSE THEY SAID THIS NEIGHBORHOOD NEVER HAS CRIME. SO WHEN WE KNEW THERE WAS SOMETHING CALLED FOR IT, THEY RESPONDED IN FLAT MINUTE, YOU KNOW, WITHIN MINUTES, WHICH IS GOOD TO KNOW. THAT'S THE KIND OF ACTIVITY THAT I STILL WANT HERE. I WANT TO BE ABLE TO BE ABLE TO COUNT ON THE COPS TO BE RESPONSIVE IN A RESPONSIBLE TIME TO MY HOUSE IF NEEDED. I DON'T WANNA KNOW THAT THEY'RE OFF SOMEWHERE ELSE BECAUSE THE CRIME HAS JUST GONE OUT OF CONTROL. I HEAR ABOUT THE CRIME GROWING. THANK GOD I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY OF THAT SINCE THAT LAST INCIDENT. BUT I DON'T WANT IT TO GROW BECAUSE OF A COMPLEX THAT WAS BUILT SO CLOSE TO MY AREA. I DON'T WANNA SEE THAT THE TRAFFIC IS INCREASING. I SEE IT ALL THE TIME. COPS ARE NOT REGULARLY AVAILABLE TO DO TRAFFIC CONTROL IN THE MORNINGS OR AFTER SCHOOL. AND THEY DON'T SLOW THE TRAFFIC DOWN ONE BIT. IT'S STILL FAST. AND I GET UPSET BECAUSE I SAY, HEY, THERE'S A SCHOOL HERE. THESE PEOPLE ARE CRAZY GOING UP AND DOWN SAVANNAH DRIVE QUICK. AND THERE'S NOT COP RESPONSIBLE THERE, THERE'S NOBODY THERE PATROLLING. SO WITH THIS INCREASE, IT'S JUST GONNA DIMINISH MORE, YOU KNOW, SAFE PLACES FOR OUR KIDS TO BE ABLE, LIKE RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE ABLE TO RIDE HOME ON A BIKE SAFELY WITHOUT THE PARENT WORRYING IF THEY'RE 10 MINUTES LATE. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU. HELLO, TAMMY CLEVELAND. I LIVE AT 3 5 1 7 ENCHANTED FARM. [01:45:01] UM, COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT. SOME OF THE THINGS I'M GONNA REVIEW, UM, IS GOING TO BE THE SINGLE ENTRANCE ON SAVANNAH DRIVE. UM, WE CAN ALL SEE THAT THERE'S GONNA BE 500 TO A THOUSAND CARS TRYING TO EXIT OR ENTER OUT OF HERE ON A DAILY BASIS. UM, WE HAVE OUR KIND FOLKS OVER HERE SAYING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO MITIGATE TRAFFIC. UM, THE ONLY WAY THAT WE CAN DO THAT REALISTICALLY IS WITH TRAFFIC LIGHTS AND STOP SIGNS. THAT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO EXACERBATE TRAFFIC. THIS IS ALSO GOING TO BE AT THE SAME TIME THAT ALL OF US ARE GOING TO WORK AND OUR CHILDREN ARE TRYING TO GET ON THE BUS. THEY'RE GOING TO BE AT BUS STOPS WITH ALL OF THIS TRAFFIC. WE'RE GOING TO BE DELAYED GOING TO WORK. OUR CHILDREN ARE GOING TO BE DELAYED GOING TO SCHOOL. IT'S GOING TO BE A MASSIVE UPSET. WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED THE HIGHER CRIME THAT WE KNOW IS STATISTICALLY HIGHER IN MULTIFAMILY, UM, ESTABLISHMENTS. WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE LACK OF PRIDE AND OWNERSHIP. ANOTHER THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT IS PART OF THE PRIDE OF OWNERSHIP IS THAT WE DO STAY IN OUR HOMES LONG TERM. WE HAVE SEVERAL CHILDREN THAT GO TO THESE SCHOOLS. WE HAVE TWO, THREE CHILDREN THAT WE SEND IN THESE SCHOOL DISTRICTS BECAUSE OF THAT. AS PARENTS, WE TYPICALLY TEND TO VOLUNTEER MORE. WE TYPICALLY TEND TO BE MORE INVOLVED, HELP OUR TEACHERS OUT. UM, PEOPLE THAT ARE IN A TEMPORARY SPACE DON'T CONSIDER THAT SPACE HOME AND THEY TEND TO NOT VOLUNTEER AS MUCH AND TAKE PRIDE OF OWNERSHIP AND GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY. UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO AGAIN REVIEW IS THE BASE SITUATION. UM, THIS GENTLEMAN THAT WAS UP HERE WAS CORRECT. IF WE CANNOT COMPLY WITH WHAT THE BASE NEEDS TO DO IN ORDER TO PROTECT OUR COUNTRY, THEY WILL LEAVE. AND WHEN THEY LEAVE, THEY WILL TAKE ALL OF THESE SERVICEMEN WITH THEM HAVING AN EFFECT ON OUR PROPERTY VALUES, OUR TAXES, AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE ENJOY TODAY. AND I WOULD LIKE TO END BY SAYING THAT WHEN WE PURCHASED IN SHIRTS, WE SPENT, A LOT OF US ARE LIFE SAVINGS IN ORDER TO BUY HOMES IN THIS AREA. AND WE MADE THAT DECISION BASED ON CURRENT ZONING LAWS, CURRENT ZONING STATUTES, WHATEVER YOU WANNA, WHATEVER THE RULE IS. I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE OF THE TERMINOLOGY. MY POINT IS, IS THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO TRUST THAT OUR GOVERNMENT WILL STICK TO THAT DECISION WHEN WE'VE PUT OUR LIFE SAVINGS INTO THESE HOMES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. UM, MY NAME IS CHRISTY DT AND I LIVE AT 3,400 WOODLAWN FARMS. UM, MY HOUSE IS FOUR HOUSES DOWN FROM IRISH CREEK AND I LIVE RIGHT ON SAVANNAH DRIVE. MY HOUSE BACKS UP TO SAVANNAH DRIVE. SO I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE ON SAVANNAH. UM, WHAT YOU CAN'T TELL BY THESE DRAWINGS IS THOSE TWO CURVES ON SAVANNAH DRIVE ARE BLIND CURVES. UM, AND I KNOW THIS ONE BECAUSE I HAVE A TWO STORY AND I LOOK OUT OVER THAT PARTICULAR CURVE EVERY DAY. UM, I'M ALSO A AN AVID RUNNER, SO I'M ALWAYS OUT ON THE STREET RUNNING. UM, ONE THING THAT HAS NOT BEEN BROUGHT UP TONIGHT AT ALL IS THE AREA OF KENSINGTON RANCH THAT IS OFFSET A LITTLE BIT. UM, IT IS SUNSET RIDGE AND WILLOWS RANCH. THOSE CHILDREN HAVE TO CROSS THE STREET EVERY DAY TO GO TO SCHOOL BECAUSE THEY'RE CONSIDERED WALKERS BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY TO PASCAL. THERE'S NO CROSSING GUARD THERE AND THERE IS NO CROSSWALK. UM, MY HUSBAND WAS PRESIDENT OF THE HOA AND I KNOW HE HAD BEEN MEETING WITH THE T SSEC QUITE A BIT OVER THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF, UM, ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR AREA BECAUSE THOSE CHILDREN, WHEN THEY HAVE TO CROSS THAT STREET GOING TO AND FROM, THEY HAVE THAT BLIND CURVE RIGHT THERE. AND IT IS A HUGE SAFETY HAZARD FOR THESE KIDS. UM, AND I, I HAVE WITNESSED THESE KIDS AND I MYSELF HAVE TRIED TO CROSS THAT AREA. AND IT IS EXCEPTIONALLY DANGEROUS BECAUSE YOU START TO CROSS AND PEOPLE COME FLYING AROUND THAT BLIND CURVE AND THEY CAN'T SEE THE KIDS. SO MY CONCERN IS ADDING IN 486 ADDITIONAL RESIDENCES WITH ALL OF THOSE ADDITIONAL CARS, THOSE TWO BLIND CURVES, AND THE KIDS HAVING TO CROSS THE STREET BECAUSE THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS ON THEIR SIDE OF THE STREET TO GET UP TO PASCAL TO GO TO SCHOOL EVERY DAY. IN MY OPINION, WE ARE ASKING FOR KIDS AND ADULTS TO GET HIT WHEN THEY'RE TRYING TO JUST CROSS THE STREET. UM, THAT'S MY TAKE ON IT. TAKE IT FOR WHAT IT IS. BUT I DO KNOW THE T SSEC HAS BEEN INVOLVED AND THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIND A RESOLUTION. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S BEEN TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION FOR THE, THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT'S BEEN DONE. UM, BUT, BUT IT IS, THOSE TWO BLIND CURVES ARE A HUGE CONCERN WITH THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC. THANK YOU. [01:50:06] HI, MY NAME IS MARIE MENDEZ. I LIVE AT 3 6 2 6 DRY WOOD RANCH. UM, I USE IRISH CREEK MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY. UM, AND UH, ACTUALLY COMING TO THIS MEETING I HAD TO SLAM ON MY BRAKES 'CAUSE I WAS TRYING TO GET ALPHA IRISH CREEK AND THAT BLIND CURVE SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT A CAR WHIPPED AROUND. AND, UM, SO ANYWAYS, UM, I'M COMING TO THIS TO OPPOSE THE MULTIFAMILY, ALTHOUGH I AM HEAVILY IN MULTIFAMILY FOR 20 YEARS. I MANAGE SEVEN COMMUNITIES THROUGH SAN ANTONIO, BERNIE, SAN MARCUS, NEW BRAUNFELS. AND THE HOUSING CRISIS THAT, UM, HAS BEEN MENTIONED HERE TODAY IS THAT APARTMENT HOMES ARE STRUGGLING. WE OCCUPANCY IS DOWN. UM, RATES ARE BEING LOWERED. WE'RE AT THE POINT IN NEW BRAUNFELS, BRAND NEW CONSTRUCTION. WE'RE OFFERING TWO MONTHS FREE TO TRY TO GET PEOPLE IN. THEY'RE MANIPULATING, UM, APPLICATIONS MANIPULATING, UH, CRIMINAL BACKGROUNDS, RIGHT? BECAUSE OUR CLIENTS WANT THEIR MONEY. THEY NEED THEIR MONEY. THEY BOUGHT THESE, THESE BUILDINGS AND THE DEVELOPER'S GONNA COME IN, THEY'RE GONNA BUILD IT. THEY MAKE IT NICE AND SHINY. AND BY THE WAY, THIS IS LARGER THAN AN AVERAGE C COMMUNITY, MULTI-FAMILY COMMUNITY THEN IN SAN ANTONIO. SO IT'S QUITE LARGE TO ONLY HAVE ONE ENTRANCE. UM, MY, ONE OF MY PROPERTIES TODAY IS 385 UNITS HAS THREE AND WE STILL SEE CONGESTION. SO CAN YOU IMAGINE FOR US RESIDENTS HAVING TO DEAL WITH THAT AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC WITH THAT MANY PEOPLE IS LUDICROUS. SO THE OTHER THING IS THE, THE POLICE ISSUE. SO YOU HAVE TO RE REMEMBER THAT AGAIN, I'M NOT OPPOSED FOR MULTIFAMILY BUT NOT HERE AND NOT IN SHIRTS THAT STILL NEEDS TO DEVELOP OTHER THINGS. UM, POLICE ARE GONNA HAVE TO RESPOND TO EVERY SINGLE CALL. UM, I, IN ONE PROPERTY I GET ABOUT 20 CALLS A NIGHT JUST FOR NOISE. JUST BECAUSE THE NEIGHBOR UPSTAIRS WAS WALKING TOO LOUD. POLICE ARE HAVE TO RESPOND. IT'S THEIR DUTY. YOU CALL 9 1 1. THEY HAVE TO, THEY HAVE TO RESPOND. SO HOW ARE WE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF SO MANY ISSUES WITH POLICE? THE TRAFFIC? I MEAN, IT JUST DOES NOT MAKE SENSE. AND THEN THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, HOUSING CRISIS THAT I, THAT, THAT, NO , SORRY, I'M NERVOUS. UM, THE OTHER THING I WOULD HAVE TO SAY IS, AGAIN, THE BLIND CURVES IS THE ISSUE FOR ME. UM, WITH SO MANY PEOPLE, THE FACT THAT THE GATES, UM, SO AFTER, OH, THAT'S OUR, AFTER THE DEVELOPER BUILDS THIS NICE SHINY PROPERTY, THEY SELL IT, THEY STABILIZE IT IN OCCUPANCY, IT'S GONNA BE SOLD. WE DON'T KNOW WHO'S GONNA BUY IT. WE DON'T KNOW THEIR FUNDS. GATES GET HIT EVERY SINGLE DAY. RESIDENTS RAM 'EM 'CAUSE THEY DON'T OPEN FAST ENOUGH. I HAVE, UH, AN OWNER RIGHT NOW WHO'S REFUSING TO REPLACE THE GATE BECAUSE THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE DONE. THEY HAVE NO MORE MONEY. SO NOW ALL OF THESE PEOPLE JUST HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS BROKEN GATE DAY IN AND DAY OUT. I DON'T WANNA COME OUT OF MY HOME, PAY MY TAXES TO SEE SOMEONE ELSE'S PROPERTY AND SEE THEIR, THEIR BUSTED GATE BECAUSE THIS OWNER NO LONGER HAS THE FUNDS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS MELANIE RESI AND I LIVE ON 4 4 9 SILVER BUCKLE. UM, I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN IN MY HOUSE SINCE 2008. UM, SO IT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST, UM, HOUSES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN THEY FIRST STARTED GETTING BUILT. UM, AND SO I'VE SEEN A LOT OF THE CHANGES. MANY PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT THE TRAFFIC CHANGES. I REMEMBER THE STORY, OH, THEY'LL NEVER BUILD HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE THESE THINGS. WHEN I BOUGHT MY HOUSE, I WAS LIKE, YEAH, THAT'S THE HOUSE I WANT THE WHAT I WANT. 'CAUSE THEY'RE NEVER GONNA BUILD BEHIND ME. GUESS WHAT? I HAVE HOUSES BEHIND ME. UM, OH, THEY'RE NEVER GONNA BUILD HERE BECAUSE OF THIS. AND NOW THEY PUT THIS BIG DRAINAGE BEHIND ME TOO. COOL. UM, NOW IT'S, THEY NEVER WERE GONNA BUILD ACROSS THE STREET FROM WHERE, UM, MY ENTRANCE, WHICH MY ENTRANCE IS, UM, NOT SILVER BUCKLE, BUT I CAN'T, WOODLAND FARMS, I THINK. AND THEY BUILT A WHOLE LITTLE, THEY TORE THAT ALL DOWN, BUILT MORE HOUSES THERE. AND NOW IT'S THIS. UM, OVER TIME I'VE SEEN TRAFFIC GROW TREMENDOUSLY, BUT MY CONCERN MORE IS I WORK AT ONE OF THE SCHOOLS. UM, THE SCHOOLS ARE ALREADY CROWDED THERE. THE TEACHER TO STUDENT RATIO IS ALREADY STUPID. UM, WE NEED MORE TEACHERS. WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR SUBS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TEACHERS OR CLASSROOMS OR STUDENT, I MEAN, OR THE, UH, ENOUGH TEACHERS FOR THE STUDENTS THAT NEED ALL THE HELP THAT THEY, WE HAVE [01:55:01] A LOT OF STUDENTS THAT NEED HELP. UM, AND WHEN YOU'RE WALKING DOWN, I MEAN, WHEN YOU DRIVE HOME, WHEN I'M DRIVING HOME EVERY DAY, I GET TO DRIVE ALL THE WAY DOWN PASCAL, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO SAVANNAH, WHERE I SEE JUST THE LINE OF CARS ALL THE WAY UP TO WAIT FOR THEIR KIDS, FOR PASCAL, UM, TO, TO GET HOME. SO I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE. I MEAN, IT'S NOT COVERED THERE, BUT DEADLINE IS LONG AT THREE O'CLOCK TRYING TO GET THOSE KIDS UP. UM, SO I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE WHAT IT WOULD DO TO HAVE ONE ENTRANCE THERE. I WAS JUST LIKE, WAIT, WHAT? THE FIRST THOUGHT WHEN I GOT THAT LETTER WAS, HONEY, WE NEED TO SELL. WE'RE MOVING. THIS IS RIDICULOUS. OUR VALUES ARE GONNA DROP. I THOUGHT ALL THOSE CRAZY THINGS. AND THEN I SAID, WHY WOULD I SELL WHEN I CAN COME HERE AND HAVE A CONVERSATION? UM, THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION BESIDES TRAFFIC IS CRIME. UH, I'VE SEEN CRIME UPTICK RIDICULOUSLY AMOUNT. I MEAN EVERY I'M ON, UM, NEXT DOOR. I'M SURE YOU GUYS ALL KNOW THAT UP EVERY OR RING. THAT'S MY OTHER APP. EVERY DAY I'M GETTING A LITTLE NOTIFICATION WITH PICTURES OF PEOPLE BROUGHT TRYING TO BREAK INTO CARS AND ALL THAT GREAT STUFF IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I CAN'T IMAGINE IF WE ADD ALL THESE OTHER PEOPLE. I'M RUNNING OUTTA TIME. SO I JUST WANTED TO ADD, UH, ONE MORE THING. I'M ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT VOLUNTEER. I DON'T HAVE KIDS. I VOLUNTEER EVERYWHERE. I WENT TO ALL THE MIDDLE SCHOOLS THAT I VOLUNTEER AT THE SCHOOL RIGHT NOW. THAT'S HOW I KNOW I'M THERE. I MEAN, HOW I WORK THERE. UM, SO, UH, WHAT I WANTED TO SAY IS I THINK WE SHOULD THINK OF IT FROM A BACKWARD PERSPECTIVE. INSTEAD OF TRYING TO BUILD COMPLEXES AND THEN TRYING TO FIX EVERYTHING. WE SHOULD FIRST BUILD THE ROADS, BUILD THE SCHOOLS, AND THEN MAYBE ADD COMPLEXES WHERE PEOPLE CAN LIVE. BUT WE NEED THE SPACE FIRST. SO THAT'S MY POINT. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. I'M I'M DARREN HARVICK. I LIVE AT 4 0 9 ROUND CREEK. UH, MY WIFE AND I MOVED HERE TWO YEARS AGO. WE FOLLOWED OUR DAUGHTERS, REALLY OUR GRANDKIDS. WE FOLLOWED THEM. UH, WE LOVE THIS COMMUNITY. WE LOVE IT. UH, MOST APARTMENT COMPLEXES ARE ALONG THE INTERSTATE, RIGHT OFF THE INTERSTATE. AND I'M GONNA REITERATE WHAT THE GENTLEMAN SAID EARLIER. UH, YOU KNOW THAT ONE SLIDE THAT SHOWED WELL ESTABLISHED COMMUNITIES ALL AROUND AND THEN THIS IN THE MIDDLE. IT JUST DOESN'T FIT. WE'D APPRECIATE YOUR VOTE TO OPPOSE THIS REZONING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. UH, MY NAME IS JASON WITHERSPOON. I LIVE AT 3 5 0 5 WILLOWS RANCH. AND IT'S UP IN THAT RIGHT HAND CORNER. UM, RIGHT THERE THAT, UH, BACKING UP TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, I WANTED TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW THAT, UH, WE MOVED TO SHIRTS IN 2016. WE MOVED TO SHIRTS FROM ALAMO RANCH. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT. IT'S ON THE NORTHWEST SIDE OF SAN ANTONIO. THAT PLACE WAS GREAT WHEN WE MOVED THERE. WE MOVED THERE IN 2007 FROM THE WEST COAST. WE CAME HERE FROM CALIFORNIA, UH, SEVEN YEARS IN. IT TOOK AN HOUR TO GET FROM OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ONE MILE TO THE HEB, THE TARGET BECAUSE THEY BLEW UP. IT WASN'T JUST RESIDENTIAL, IT WAS A LOT OF COMMERCIALIZED DEVELOPMENT JUST LIKE THIS WITH APARTMENT COMPLEXES. IT'S A NIGHTMARE. WE MOVED HERE THINKING, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GONNA BE GREAT. WE WERE CONCERNED 'CAUSE IT WAS A FARM BACK THERE AND WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THEY WOULD DO WITH THAT. WELL, THEY TURNED HALF OF IT INTO RESIDENTIAL AND THEN NOW THEY'RE FIGHTING TO GET THIS HALF TURNED INTO APARTMENT COMPLEXES. SO THAT IS A HUGE CONCERN OF MINE. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT SOUND, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT EVERYBODY ELSE IN THIS ROOM, BUT I CAN TELL YOU FROM MY HOME, I CAN HEAR REY AT NIGHT FROM THE MILITARY BASE. I CAN HEAR THE FOOTBALL GAMES AT CLEMONS. I CAN HEAR THE BAND PLAY. IF THERE'S ANY NOISE GOING ON WITH AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, IT'S GOING TO SPREAD. THIS LAND IS FLAT. LIKE I I, IT BLOWS MY MIND. I DON'T, YOU KNOW, THO THOSE SOUNDS I DON'T MIND, BUT I DON'T WANT TO HEAR NEIGHBORS SHOUTING AT EACH OTHER OR CRAZY THINGS GOING ON AND, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT. SO SOUNDS AN ISSUE. I, UM, DEFINITELY, AND THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE PERSONALLY TOO IS THE LAWYER WAS NICE ENOUGH TO LET US KNOW THAT THE, THE, UH, AREA BEHIND THIS COMPLEX IS ALSO SHIRTS AND ALSO AVAILABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT. SO IF YOU APPROVE THIS, WHAT'S TO STOP THEM FROM BUYING THAT A PROPERTY AND HOW WOULD YOU DENY THEM THAT IF YOU APPROVE THIS? SO IT'S JUST A BUILDING ISSUE THAT JUST COMPOUNDS ITSELF. I HAVE KIDS, A BOY AND A GIRL GONE TO PASCAL ELEMENTARY, GONE TO WILDER NOW AT, UH, UM, AT THE, UH, UM, JUNIOR HIGH, UM, CORBETT, MY SON GOES THERE WALKING UP AND DOWN THAT STREET AND IT'S A MASS AMOUNT OF CHILDREN. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN ON THE STREET WHEN SCHOOL'S GOTTEN IN, WHERE SCHOOL'S GETTING OUT. THEY HAVE LIKE, THERE'S THREE OR FOUR I THINK GROUPS OF WHAT THEY CALL WALKERS JUST FROM [02:00:01] PASCAL. AND THEY'RE 30 KIDS. A PIECE MAYBE GOING UP AND DOWN THOSE STREETS. LIKE THEY SAID, THERE'S NO SIDEWALK ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE GOING UP SAVANNAH TO THE, TO THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. AND THESE KIDS CROSS TWICE. THEY HAVE TO CROSS SAVANNAH AT THE TOP AND THEN THEY HAVE TO CROSS BACK AGAIN WITH THAT BLIND CURVE. AND WE'RE TALKING ANYWHERE FROM 90 TO 120 KIDS AND THAT'S ON FOOT ON BIKE. AND YOU CAN'T TELL ME THAT 500 MORE UNITS IS NOT GOING TO INCREASE TRAFFIC IN A ALREADY CONGESTED AREA. I HAVE SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT IF THIS GOES IN AND THEN WHAT WOULD FOLLOW AND HOW THAT WOULD BE NEGATED IF IT WAS POSSIBLE. SO I DO APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME AND I HOPE YOU VOTE NO AGAIN, NAME'S ON FILE. TOM TROUTNER, 3 6 12 SHARP HILL. UM, I TOO AM A MEMBER OF THE HOA BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR KENSINGTON RANCH. I'M LOOKING AT, UH, AND, AND I I COULD BE WRONG, I JUST NEED CLARIFICATION. GUADALUPE CAD, MAP SEARCH AND IRISH CREEK. THERE'S TWO PARCELS OF LAND THERE. AND THE ONE IN QUESTION WHICH THEY PLAN TO BUILD, 1 57 3 79, ACCORDING TO COUNTY RECORDS, IS OWNED BY THE KENSINGTON RANCH HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. HOW ARE THEY GONNA BUILD A ROAD ACROSS LAND THEY DON'T OWN? UH, I I HEARD DAISY MENTION THE WORDS EMINENT DOMAIN AND FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM EMINENT DOMAIN IS IT HAS TO BE TAKEN FOR PUBLIC USE. HOW IS A GATED COMMUNITY CONSIDERED PUBLIC USE? ALSO, NOBODY EVER MENTIONED THEY WERE GONNA BE THREE STORY APARTMENT BUILDINGS. UM, IN CONSTRUCTION, EVERY FLOOR IS 10 FEET, SO THAT'S A 40 FOOT HIGH STRUCTURE. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT GOING DOWN SAVANNAH. UM, I'M FROM SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. WE CALL THOSE THE PROJECTS . SO, UM, THANK YOU. I JUST, I I NEED CLARIFICATION FOR THAT. AND IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO KNOW THEIR TRAFFIC STUDIES, HOW WE CAN GET, MAKE THAT PUBLIC RECORD, HOW WE CAN SEE THAT, WHAT THEY DID, HOW THEY DID IT, AND WHAT THEIR MITIGATING GIGS ARE. I'M NOT SURE THAT CAN HAPPEN, BUT, UM, I HOPE A PLANE DOESN'T CRASH IN THAT LITTLE SECTION. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. I'M ROBERT HINKLE, 35 20 SLA RANCH. AGAIN, MY MAIN EXIT COMING OUTTA SLA RANCH IS RIGHT THERE AT IRISH CREEK. AGAIN, PART OF OUR THING IS COMING OUT OF IRISH CREEK IS JUST WITH OUR RELATIVELY SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD COMPARED TO THAT IS PEOPLE COMING AROUND AGAIN, AS IT'S BEEN NOTED, TWO BLIND CURVES. IT'S NOT, NO MATTER WHAT THE SPEED LIMIT SAYS IT IS, THAT'S NOT WHAT PEOPLE DRIVE. IF WE HAVE WHATEVER NUMBER OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME OUT OF THERE, IF ONE TO THREE CARS, THEY TRY TO COME OUT AT THE SPEEDS THAT PEOPLE ARE DRIVING AND WE HAVE THAT NUMBER OF CARS COMING OUT OF THAT, THEY'RE NOT GONNA MAKE IT SAFELY. AND THEN YOU ADD THAT NUMBER OF CARS GOING UP THE STREET, AND IT'S BEEN SAID MANY, MANY TIMES, ALL THE CHILDREN, ALL THE CARS THAT ARE POSTED EVERY MORNING UP THE STREET AT PASCAL, EVERY TIME I GO OUT EVERY MORNING FOR GOING TO WORK. I'VE BEEN HERE FOR, FOR 20, UH, EIGHT YEARS NOW AND RETIRED MILITARY. I STILL WORK AT RANDOLPH. IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT FEASIBLE TO PUT THIS MUCH MORE TRAFFIC COMING OUT ON SAVANNAH COMING OUT. ONE EXIT, ONE OF MY DUTIES IN THE AIR FORCE WAS TRAFFIC ENGINEER. THAT'S NOT PRACTICAL TO BRING THAT MANY CARS OUT OF ONE EXIT. IT'S NOT, YOU CAN'T POSSIBLY DO THAT. THAT'S NOT GOOD ENGINEERING. I DON'T KNOW WHO THEIR ENGINEER IS. THAT'S NOT GOOD ENGINEERING THAT YOU CAN'T DO IT. YOU CAN'T PUT THAT MUCH ON 1518 IN THAT SHORT OF A TIME. YOU CAN'T PUT THAT MUCH PAST A SCHOOL ZONE IN THAT SHORT OF A TIME PAST THOSE KIDS SAFELY. THERE WILL BE AN ACCIDENT, THERE WILL BE CHILDREN AT RISK. IT'S BEEN SAID BY PARENTS. MY KIDS ARE GROWN. MY KIDS ARE GONE. THANK YOU. I'M A LITTLE SHORT. SO, UM, I JUST KIND OF WANNA SUMMARIZE MY, SORRY. MY NAME IS CAROLINE OSA. I AM ALSO IN THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR THE KENSINGTON RANCH, UH, SUBDIVISION. UM, AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ADDRESS ONE OF THE CONCERNS [02:05:01] OR ONE OF THE SLIDES THAT WAS BROUGHT UP IN THE PRESENTATION BY THE ATTORNEY. UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY HERE UNDERSTANDS, UM, AND THEY SAW THE CALL LOG AND I, AND I WANTED TO ADDRESS IT. UM, WE ACTUALLY WERE NOT EVEN NOTIFIED BY OUR MANAGEMENT COMPANY UNTIL THAT LAST CALL LOG, WHICH WAS ABOUT A WEEK AGO. SO WE HAVE JUST BEEN NOTIFIED. AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE FROM THE COMMUNITY, NOT JUST THE PEOPLE THAT WERE NOTIFIED, BUT THE WORD HAS SPREAD RATHER QUICKLY. AND WE WANTED TO BE HERE TO SUPPORT EVERYONE'S CONCERNS. AS EVERYONE HAS ALREADY SAID, PEOPLE HAVE BOUGHT HOMES IN OUR SUBDIVISION BECAUSE OF THE ESTABLISHMENT IN THE AREA. IT'S VERY SAFE. I'M, I'M FROM THE COUNTRY, AND SO MOVING TO THE CITY, I MOVED HERE TO SAN ANTONIO IN 2015, UM, BOUGHT MY HOME IN THE SUBDIVISION IN 2016. AND I HAVE SEEN, AS EVERYONE HAS ALREADY MENTIONED, AND I'M NAILING IT DOWN, THEY HAVE MENTIONED HOW BAD THE TRAFFIC IS. AND I'M, I'M NOT EVEN KIDDING. IF I PULL OUTTA MY SUBDIVISION AND I DON'T TURN ON MY WA ZAP, IT'S A MATTER OF BEING LATE OR ON TIME TO WORK BECAUSE OF HOW BAD THE TRAFFIC BACKS UP AS IT IS. THERE'S TIMES THAT IT BACKS UP ALL THE WAY TO THE START OF OUR SUBDIVISION. AND WE, AS YOU ALREADY KNOW, WE HAVE A NEW SUBDIVISION THAT JUST GOT PUT IN A CLOSE BY US. AND SO WE'RE SEEING THAT TRAFFIC ALREADY INCREASE. I DON'T UN, I DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND HOW WE COULD HAVE 500 MORE HOMES, UM, A THOUSAND MORE CARS IN, IN OUR SUBDIVISION IN OUR STREET TO 1518. SO EVERYONE'S ALREADY BROUGHT IT UP, RIGHT? WE HAVE A, WE'RE GONNA SEE AN INCREASE IN CRIME, UNFORTUNATELY, IF THIS WOULD'VE HAPPENED. UM, WE HAVE, WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT TRAFFIC. I DON'T KNOW HOW THEIR STATISTICS WAS DONE AND HOW THEY CAME UP WITH THAT, BUT I CAN TELL YOU, COMING FROM A SCIENTIFIC BACKGROUND, YOU CAN MAKE STATISTICS LOOK THE WAY YOU WANT THEM TO. SO I JUST WANNA EXPRESS THAT BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE HOW THEY'RE DOING THEIR STUDY, AND I'D LOVE TO SEE IT. UM, WE'VE ALREADY, PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY BROUGHT UP THE BLIND CURVE, UM, AND THEN THE VIEW, RIGHT? A LOT OF PEOPLE PURCHASE THESE HOMES, AND NOW THEY'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT THE TOP OF AN APARTMENT BUILDING. I MEAN, I THINK THEY'RE ALL VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I WAS OPPOSED TO THE REZONING. AND, UM, I HOPE THAT YOU TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT WERE NOTIFIED THAT OF, OF THE REZONING. THERE IS A LOT MORE PEOPLE HERE TODAY, AND THEY'VE ONLY BEEN NOTIFIED BY THEIR FELLOW NEIGHBORS. THE SIGN THAT WAS PUT UP, IT'S A SMALL LITTLE SIGN. I'VE, WE'VE SEEN GARAGE SIGNS. WE PUT UP GARAGE SIGNS WHEN WE'RE HAVING GARAGE SALES FOR OUR SUBDIVISION, BIGGER THAN THE SIGN THAT THEY PUT UP FOR THAT REZONING. UM, SO THE WORD HAS SPREAD, LIKE I DON'T EVEN DRIVE DOWN SAVANNAH, AND I'M FINDING OUT ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON, RIGHT? THE NEIGHBORS HAVE BEEN TALKING. EVERYONE IS SUPER CONCERNED. SOME OF THEM COULDN'T MAKE IT HERE TODAY BECAUSE THE HEARING WAS SHORT. THEY ALREADY HAD PLANS. IT'S ONLY WE, WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME. SO THERE'S PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HERE TODAY THAT COULDN'T BE HERE. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS MANY PEOPLE SHOWED UP, AND I THINK THAT SPEAKS VOLUMES. UM, AND I JUST HOPE THAT YOU RECONSIDER, UM, OUR CONCERNS. THANK YOU. UH, GOOD EVENING. THANKS FOR LETTING ME SPEAK. AGAIN, MY NAME IS JOHN CLARK. I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE KENTON RANCH, HOA. AND, UH, MY QUESTION TO THE, TO THE ATTORNEY IS WHEN HE MENTIONED THAT THE STAFF APPROVED IT, MY QUESTION IS WHAT STAFF? I MEAN, THE CITY OF SHE'S STAFF OR WHO IN THE CITY OF SHIRTS APPROVED IT. THE OTHER, THE OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO JUST MENTION VERY QUICKLY IS THAT OUR PRESS PRESIDENT'S WIFE GOT UP AND SPOKE CHRISTIE, CHRISTIE DUFFY, AND I KNOW I WAS INVOLVED IN THAT T SAC MEETINGS AND THE TSA APPROVED THAT CROSSWALK WITH A DIFFERENT DESIGN THAN WE EVER THOUGHT AND FUNDED IT AND HAD, AND SAID IT WAS $34,000 TO BE BUILT. WELL, THE CITY OF SHEZ, TO OUR DETRIMENT, DID NOT FUND IT IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET. SO WE HAD PLANNED THE HOA AND THE BOARD MYSELF GO BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL EVERY MONTH FOR THE NEXT FEW MONTHS UNTIL WE GET IT APPROVED. SO IT HAS BEEN, SO, IT IS BEING CONSIDERED, BUT NOW WITH THIS SITUATION, IT COULD EVEN BE WORSE THAN WHAT WE HAD PLANNED IN THE BEGINNING. I'M ALSO RETIRED MILITARY, AND I DID SEE CERTAIN THINGS THAT THE ATTORNEY PRESENTED, LIKE THEY WERE COOPERATING WITH THE US MILITARY AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF. UH, I'M A HUNDRED PERCENT BEHIND ON MILITARY AND WHAT EVERYTHING THEY DO. HOWEVER, THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT COIN IS THAT, THAT DEVELOPMENT IS, IS MONEY, AND I KNOW THAT TOO. AND ALSO, OUR DEVELOPMENT IS 916 HOMES BETWEEN THE CITY OF SHE AND THE CITY OF SELMA. AND YET WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 468 APARTMENTS OR RESIDENTS WITHIN A ZONE OF 44 ACRES. I KNOW THAT OUR, OUR ACREAGE FOR OUR DEVELOPMENT BETWEEN TWO CITIES, IT'S MUCH MORE THAN 44, 44 [02:10:02] ACRES, OR 30, 30 SOME ACRES. EXCUSE ME, I FORGOT ABOUT THE 11 ZONE. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU TO ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS AND FOLKS THAT CAME FORWARD AND PRESENTED TONIGHT. WE APPRECIATE THAT. ONE OTHER THING, HE ALSO SAID THAT HE CONTACTED ALAMO RANCH, OUR OUR MANAGEMENT COMPANY. MY QUESTION IS, IS HOW DID HE KNOW THAT KENTON RANCH, OHOA, WAS MANAGED BY ALIMO? WHO DID HE GET THAT FROM? AND THE CITY OF SHIRTS HAD OUR PAST PRESIDENT'S PHONE NUMBER IN THEIR RECORDS, CHRIS DUFFY, AND YET NOBODY FROM THE CITY OF SHIRTS CALLED OUR PAST PRESIDENT TO TELL 'EM ABOUT THIS REZONING. SO THE LAWYER DIDN'T NEED TO GO SEE OUR MANAGEMENT COMPANY. HE COULD HAVE WENT THROUGH THE CITY OF CHURCHS TO GET A GOOD PHONE NUMBER IN THE CITY OF SELMA. I KNOW THE CITY MANAGER, I'VE KNOWN HIM FOR 10 YEARS BECAUSE OF MY INVOLVEMENT IN THE CITY OF SELMA, AND HE KNOWS MY PERSONAL PHONE NUMBER. SO TRYING TO GET AHOLD OF THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY WITHOUT TRYING TO GET AHOLD THE ACTUAL MEMBERS OF THE BOARD DIRECTORS TO ME IS NOT A GOOD ANSWER. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME, AND WE APPRECIATE EVERYTHING. YOU LISTENED TO US, AND WE ALREADY KEEP YOU AWAY FROM YOUR HOMES TONIGHT. SO THANKS FOR LETTING ME TALK ONE MORE TIME. MY NAME IS LEN LIN BAUER. I LIVE AT 3 6 0 4 SUN GLAD RANCH IN, UH, KENSINGTON. UH, I DO HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. UH, I ABOUT FELL ON MY CHAIR TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. WHEN I SAW THE SLIDE COME UP WHERE YOU TRIED TO CONTACT OUR HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, I'M REALLY EMBARRASSED THAT NOBODY GOT BACK. AND I HOPE THAT DOESN'T SWAY YOUR OPINION. UH, I DO KNOW THAT OUR, UH, MANAGEMENT, UH, COMPANY HAS CHANGED MANAGEMENT DIRECTORS RECENTLY BECAUSE I JUST RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM THEM ABOUT 10 DAYS AGO WITH A NAME CHANGE OF THAT PERSON. SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE WERE CAUGHT BETWEEN, UH, CHANGING, UH, HOMEOWNER MANAGERS OR NOT. I THINK THE LADY HERE MAY HAVE EXPLAINED THAT, UH, TO YOU, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU, YOU HEARD THE REST OF THE STORY. IT'S NOT LIKE WE FORGOT TO ANSWER THE MAIL ABOUT ANSWERING THE MAIL. THE ONLY WAY I FOUND OUT ABOUT IT WAS MY WIFE GOT NOTIFIED THROUGH FACEBOOK THAT, UH, THERE WAS GONNA BE SOME CONSTRUCTION AND THAT, UH, WE COULD CONTACT THE CITY ABOUT, UH, EITHER SUPPORTING IT OR, UH, FIGHTING IT. SO AS SOON AS WE HEARD THAT, UH, SHE RAN ACROSS, UH, TO OUR NEIGHBOR, TALKED TO HER, THEY STARTED, UH, GETTING, UH, HARD COPIES OF DOCUMENTS TO PROTEST THE, UH, THE CHANGE. AND I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, IF YOU GOT OVER A HUNDRED PEOPLE THAT SUBMITTED THOSE PROTESTS, THAT'S REMARKABLE. FOR THE SHORT TIME THAT WE WERE NOTIFIED, UH, I WOULD ASK YOU TO CONSIDER EXPANDING YOUR, YOUR DEPTH OF NEIGHBORHOODS WHEN YOU DECIDE TO DO A ZONE CHANGE, 200 FEET IS PROBABLY ONLY ABOUT 20 HOUSES IN THE KENSINGTON RANCH AREA FROM THIS LOCATION. IT DOESN'T CONSIDER THE VAST MAJORITY OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT, THAT LIVE IN THAT, THAT AREA THAT ARE AFFECTED BY IT. UH, I DID HAVE A QUESTION FOR CLARIFICATION. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF YOU COULD ANSWER IN ONE OF THE PRESENTATIONS THEY TALKED ABOUT, UH, ZONE A OR ZONE ONE AND A ZONE TWO. THE ZONE TWO FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, WAS THIS, UH, GREEN BELT AREA, WHICH THEY'RE NOT BUILDING ON, BUT THEN IT SOUNDED LIKE IN THE PRESENTATION LATER ON, THEY COULD DECIDE TO COME BACK AGAIN AND, UH, BUILD MORE BUILDINGS THERE, WHETHER THEY BE APARTMENTS OR WHAT HAVE YOU. UH, THAT LEFT ME A LITTLE BIT UNCERTAIN. UH, THE LAST THING OR THE LAST TWO THINGS THAT REALLY DON'T PASS THE SANITY CHECK. I DON'T SEE HOW THE AIR FORCE WOULD, UH, HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH ABATEMENT WHEN YOU'RE PUTTING THAT MANY PEOPLE IN A CONCENTRATED AREA AND SAY, YEAH, IT PASSES THEIR, THEIR SANITY CHECK. IT, IT, IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM LOGICAL THAT YOU WOULD PUT THAT MANY PEOPLE IN AN AREA AND THE AIR FORCE, UH, WOULD BUY OFF ON IT. THE OTHER THING IS, UH, IF YOU GET SOME TIME WALK UP TO THE SCHOOLS, THOSE SCHOOLS ARE JAM PACKED WITH KIDS. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GONNA GET MORE PEOPLE IN THOSE SCHOOLS. UM, IT'S JUST, UH, IT'S A BAD SITUATION. [02:15:01] UH, WITH THAT, THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME OUT. APPRECIATE IT. HI, MY NAME IS CORINA CASTANEDA, FOUR 19 WALNUT CREST IN SELMA. AND, UM, I, YOU KNOW, ECHO EVERYTHING THAT EVERYONE HAS BROUGHT TO LIGHT TONIGHT. SO, UH, NO SURPRISE THERE. BUT TWO THINGS IN, UH, PARTICULAR THAT I'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT TO YOU TO CONSIDER, UM, ON BEHALF OF OUR COMMUNITY AT KENSINGTON RANCH IS ULTIMATELY HOW WILL THIS, UH, REZONING BENEFIT OUR COMMUNITY? I, I MEAN, FROM WHAT I CAN SEE, THE ONLY ONE THAT WOULD BENEFIT IS THE DEVELOPER. SO THAT'S ONE THING I WOULD ASK YOU TO CONSIDER. THE OTHER IS THAT I WOULD INVITE ALL OF THE DECISION MAKERS TO COME TO OUR AREA AND DRIVE THROUGH DURING THESE BUSY, BUSY TIMES. TRAFFIC STUDY ASIDE, I THINK YOU REALLY NEED SOME INSIGHT TO HOW, UH, SOME OF THE ISSUES AND CONCERNS THAT WE'RE ALL HAVING, ESPECIALLY DURING SCHOOL TIME. UM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE REALLY CRITICAL. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU DO THAT INDIVIDUALLY, A FIELD TRIP OR SOMETHING, ANY DECISION MAKERS. I THINK THAT WOULD REALLY, UH, BRING TO LIGHT SOME OF THESE ISSUES THAT WE'RE HAVING. HELLO, I'M CHRISTINA. SECOND TIME UP HERE. I JUST WANTED TO SAY I WAS OPPOSED. I DIDN'T THINK I SAID IT THE FIRST TIME, BUT THE QUESTIONS I HAVE, AND I DIDN'T HAVE THE QUES THE TIME BEFORE, WAS WHAT TIME DID THEY DO THE TRAFFIC STUDIES? IS IT STILL OKAY TO CONTACT HOA TO FIGHT FOR US? AND WILL IT MAKE A DIFFERENCE STILL? AND IF WE CONTACT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, THE SUPERINTENDENT, EVERYBODY TO ALSO FIGHT FOR US, IT WOULD, IF IT WOULD STILL BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION, I NEED TO KNOW IF THAT'S STILL DOABLE SO THAT I CAN GO AHEAD AND SPREAD THE WORD TO EVERYBODY SO THAT THEY CAN GO AHEAD AND START CONTACTING THESE PEOPLE. AND ALSO, I LIVE RIGHT BEHIND THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, SO I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS ALL THIS DEVELOPMENT GOING ON, REZONING GOING ON, 'CAUSE OF THE LITTLE SIGN OVER THERE. I DON'T GO THAT WAY OTHER THAN GOING TO CHURCH. I GO THAT WAY. BUT EVEN THEN, LIKE IT'S A LITTLE YELLOW SIGN. YOU DON'T SEE THAT WAY. IF YOU DON'T TURN THAT WAY, YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE IT. THE ONLY WAY I KNEW ABOUT IT WAS I HAD A NEIGHBOR WHO MENTIONED IT TO ME, SO I DECIDED TO COME. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? WELL, THAT'S, UM, THAT'S PART OF THE JOB. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE WANNA SAY ANYTHING? NO. ONE MORE. NO, I, ALRIGHT. IT IS NOW, UM, EIGHT 18, AND I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC INPUT FOR US MILITARY GUYS. THAT'S 2018. BUT, UM, SO THAT WAS, UH, AN HOUR AND 14 MINUTES. SO, AND I, I, AGAIN, THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING, UM, LESS ROWDY THAN WE STARTED. I, I, I, I DO APPRECIATE THAT. I THINK WE GET A LOT MORE DONE THAT WAY. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE GO THROUGH THIS A LOT AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I'D RATHER BE SOMEWHERE ELSE TONIGHT. I REALLY WOULD. UM, BUT IT'S THE PROCESS AND, UM, PART OF THAT IS, IS TO GET THE COMMUNITY INPUT. UM, SO WITH THAT, UM, IF THE COMMISSIONERS WILL BEAR WITH ME, UH, I'M, I'M GONNA TAKE A FEW MINUTES HERE. SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU FOLKS ASKED, I ALREADY HAD ON MY LIST OF THINGS TO ASK. SO I WILL ASK THOSE QUESTIONS, UM, A LITTLE BIT LATER IN, IN, IN THE DISCUSSION. UM, YOU KNOW, UH, WE, WE TALKED ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE AND, AND, AND SERVICES. UM, I, I CAN PROBABLY ON ONE HAND COUNT THE NUMBER OF SUBDIVISIONS AND DEVELOPERS, UM, THAT HAVE DONATED OR CONTRIBUTED ANYTHING. IN FACT, I CAN ONLY THINK OF ONE, UH, MAYBE TWO. I THINK ONE OF 'EM DONATED LAND FOR A FIRE STATION, WHICH WE ENDED UP NOT USING. UM, SOMEBODY ELSE I THINK DONATED A SCHOOL SITE. BUT BY AND LARGE, THESE, THESE DEVELOPERS COME IN HERE, UH, AND, AND THEY PUT IN THEIR DEVELOPMENTS, WHETHER IT'S APARTMENTS OR SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS. UM, AND THE CITY [02:20:01] AND THE TAXPAYERS, UH, ARE LEFT BUILDING SCHOOLS, UM, HIRING FIREFIGHTERS, HIRING POLICE OFFICERS, UH, PUBLIC WORKS. UM, THAT, THAT'S TYPICALLY, THAT JUST COMES WITH JUST ABOUT ANY, ANY DEVELOPMENT YOU SEE IN THE CITY. UM, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE, UH, ALTHOUGH I THINK THE PD IS GETTING THE, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT'S GETTING A LITTLE BETTER, UM, AT IT. UH, I, I CAN SPEAK FOR THE FIRE SERVICE. I SPENT 25 YEARS WITH, WITH SHEZ FIRE DEPARTMENT. UM, AND, UM, WE CALL IT MUTUAL AID EIGHT, UM, BETWEEN SELMA AND UNIVERSAL. WELL, YEAH, EVEN UNIVERSAL CITY, BUT, UH, WE DON'T SEE A LOT OF THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CREEK. IT BLEW MY MIND THAT THEY BUILT A SUBDIVISION ON. YEAH. ANYWAY, UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, SELMAS, UH, SHIRTS, CILO, UM, WE HELP EACH OTHER OUT ALL THE TIME. IN FACT, UM, UM, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, I THINK JUST BEFORE, OR JUST AFTER I RETIRED, WE ACTUALLY HAVE, UH, ENTERED AN AGREEMENT WITH, WITH CILO WHERE IT'S NEAREST UNIT. DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER THE CALL IS IN SHIRTS OR OLO, IT'S WHOEVER HAS THE CLOSEST UNIT THEY RESPOND. SO I WILL TELL YOU, I LIVE UP THE HILL. I LIVE IN SAVANNAH SQUARE, LIVE ON THE CORNER OF FORSYTH PARK IN SAVANNAH DRIVE. I'VE LIVED THERE SINCE 1989. I'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS SAVANNAH DRIVE USED TO END AT, AT, UH, DAVENPORT. THERE WAS NO WILDER INTERMEDIATE, THERE WAS NO, UH, CAROLINA CROSSING. UM, AND, UH, I HAPPENED TO LIVE ON A CORNER WITH A FOUR-WAY STOP SIGN. SO I, YOU KNOW, I I I HEAR, I HEAR YOU ABOUT THE TRAFFIC. I'VE BEEN THROUGH THAT, UM, ESPECIALLY WHEN SCHOOL, YOU KNOW, GOING AND COMING TO SCHOOL. UM, AGAIN FOR THE, THE MARINE, WHEREVER YOU STILL HERE, UM, I GREW UP IN POWAY, CALIFORNIA. YOU CAN THROW A ROCK FROM MY HOUSE AND HIT NAS MIRAMAR. OKAY? I GREW UP WITH THAT OUTFIT. IN FACT, I WORKED OUT THERE AS A, AS A HIGH SCHOOL KID, AND, UH, I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. UM, THEY STARTED IN MY, AND MY SISTER LIVED IN MIRA MESA RIGHT NEXT TO 'EM. UM, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. YOU, YOU ALL KNOW THE MOVIE TOP GUN? WELL, THE TOP GUN SCHOOL WAS AT MIRAMAR. IT'S NOW AT FALLON NEVADA. AND, UM, FORTUNATELY THE MARINES MOVED, UH, THEY CLOSED THEIR, UM, EL TORO OUTFIT, MOVED THEIR HELICOPTERS DOWN THERE, AND IT WASN'T THAT LONG AFTERWARDS. THEY, WELL, THEY, NOW THEY'VE GOT, NOW THEY'VE GOT THEIR JETS OUT THERE. OKAY. UM, SO PART OF THE PRESENTATION, AND, AND I, I THINK I'VE GOT A QUESTION HERE ABOUT COMMUNITY BENEFIT, BUT I'LL JUMP AHEAD AND SAY, UM, WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO. THE CITY OF CHURCHS IS VERY, UM, I'M NOT GONNA GO BACK, CONSIDER IT IS NOT THE RIGHT WORD, BUT WE AS A CITY, WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH RANDOLPH. WE ARE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MITIGATE THEIR CONCERNS. WE DON'T WANT THEM MOVING. I RETIRED FROM RANDOLPH, UM, RICHARD, WERE YOU AT RANDOLPH? I THINK RICHARD WAS AT, I MEAN, THERE'S MILITARY EVERYWHERE AND, UM, DO WE HAVE A, A SLIDE OF THE A PZ, THE WHOLE THING? IS THERE, IS THERE SOME WAY TO SEE THAT? UM, BECAUSE AT THE END OF EACH RUNWAY, WHAT YOU'VE GOT IS, IS THE, THE FIRST PART OF IS CALLED A CLEAR ZONE. YOU CAN'T PUT ANYTHING IN THERE. AND THEN THERE'S AN A PZ ACCIDENT POTENTIAL ZONE ONE, AND THEN BEYOND THAT IS A PZ TWO. AND SOMEHOW THE AIR FORCE LOOKS AT THEIR OPERATIONS AND THEY CALCULATE A RISK FACTOR. SO THE RISK FACTOR IN THE CLEAR ZONE IS HIGHER THAN APZ ONE, WHICH IS HIGHER THAN APZ TWO. UM, AND THE REASON I'M HOPING MR. JAMES CAN, CAN BRING IT UP HERE IS BECAUSE I WANNA SHOW YOU SOMETHING. UM, AND WE, WE COULD BARELY SEE IT IN THE, THE, THE PRESENTATION SLIDES. UM, YEAH, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE NORTH PART THERE, UM, RIGHT THERE WHERE WE'RE, WHERE WE'RE LOOKING. OKAY, SO IF I MAY, THE, FOR FOLKS WHO MAYBE CAN'T SEE THE BLUE, THE APZ TWO, UH, IS THE AREA OUTLINED IN BLUE THAT I JUST WENT AROUND RIGHT? WITH MY CURSOR? AND THEN YOU'VE GOT [02:25:01] THE APZ ONE DOES THE SAME THING DOWN HERE, AND THEN THE CLEAR ZONE IS HERE. SO, SO IF YOU LOOK AT APZ ONE THAT'S OLD, THAT'S, I CALL THAT OLD TOWN SHIRTS. THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN THERE SINCE THE FIFTIES. UH, BUT YOU LOOK OUT HERE IN APZ TWO WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, AND JUST A SLIVER. YOU'VE GOT, YOU'VE GOT TWO ROWS OF HOMES IN KENSINGTON RANCH THAT ARE ACTUALLY IN A PZ, BUT YOU LOOK TO THE LEFT AND, AND, AND THERE'S SELMA DOWN HERE AS YOU SEE. SO WHAT, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IS, IS THAT LITTLE, THAT THAT 12 ACRES OR WHATEVER IT IS RIGHT THERE, IS TO NOT BUILD IN IT. BUT YOU LOOK AT THAT AND YOU SAY, WELL, OBVIOUSLY SELMA UNIVERSAL CITY DON'T CARE. UM, YEAH. SO THAT'S JUST A PERSONAL COMMENT, BUT THAT'S HOW THE A PZ WORKS. AND, UM, BRIAN, IF I, IF I MAKE COMMISSIONER SURE. JUST SO FOLKS KNOW, I APPRECIATE COMMISSIONER BRO, GIVING STAFF A HEADS UP ABOUT INFORMATION HE WAS GONNA ASK TO PULL UP, BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE YOU GUYS CAN HEAR THE DIALOGUE AND CONVERSATION. SO JUST FOR FOLKS KNOW, COMMISSIONER BRO HAD THE SAME THOUGHT. HE WAS ASKING STAFF TO GIVE US A HEADS UP WHEN HE WAS GONNA SPEAK, TO PULL UP, UH, THE, A PZ ZONE, AND THEN ALSO THE POPULATION PROJECTIONS, JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT THE, UH, CONVERSATION WAS. ALL RIGHTY, THANK YOU, BRIAN. UM, NOTIFICATION THE 200 FOOT NOTIFICATION ZONE, THAT'S STATE LAW. WE ARE REQUIRED BY LAW TO NOTIFY THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET. WERE NOT REQUIRED TO DO ANYTHING ELSE. UM, IN OUR ATTEMPT TO RECOGNIZE THAT A LOT OF THESE THINGS IMPACT MORE THAN JUST THE PEOPLE IN THOSE 200, THAT'S WHERE THE SIGNS CAME FROM. UH, AND WE KEEP TRYING TO DO BETTER. UM, EMILY, IS THAT THE NEWEST SIGN THAT WE PUT OUT THERE? YEAH. UM, THAT'S OUR LATEST EFFORT. UH, BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE CAN ONLY REQUIRE THEM ON THE PROPERTY. WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE NICE IF WE COULD HAVE RUN UP THE HILL AND PUT ONE THERE, UM, SAVANNAH BLUFF OR WHATEVER IT'S CALLED. BUT, UM, SO WE TRIED AND, YOU KNOW, AND WE KEEP REVISING THAT APPARENTLY OUR PREVIOUS SIGNS WEREN'T WORKING, SO WE TRIED, WELL, MAYBE IF WE GO A LITTLE BRIGHTER AND MAYBE JUST A LITTLE BIGGER. UM, SO WE APPRECIATE THAT INPUT AND, AND, AND WE WILL TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT, UM, I'M NOT A BIG SOCIAL MEDIA GUY, BUT I SAW THIS ON NEIGHBORHOODS. NO, I'M SORRY MA'AM. NO. UM, I SAW THIS ON A, ON A GROUP CALLED NEIGHBORS OR NEIGHBORHOOD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO OBVIOUSLY SOMEBODY GOT THE WORD OUT. OKAY, WHICH IS, WHICH IS A GOOD THING. UM, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENTS, THIS KIND OF STUFF, UM, THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE YOU, YOU'RE DOING A BIG FEDERAL OR STATE PROJECT, AND EIS IS PROBABLY REQUIRED, BUT THESE LOCAL PROJECTS AND, AND, AND HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS IS RIGHT, BRIAN, THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT MAYBE DOWN THE STREAM SOMEBODY WANTS TO CHANGE, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, UM, THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED. UM, HOA CONTACTS, UM, I KNOW PD USED TO, UM, KEEP A WHO, WHO DOES SOMEBODY, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO KNOW AN HOA NOW, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY, NOT, NOT THE DIRECT LINE TO THE HOA, UM, YOU KNOW, THE STAFF KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT HOW SOMEBODY, SO AGAIN, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED IN THIS CASE, BUT YEAH, TYPICALLY THE CITY KEEPS SOME RECORDS AS BEST WE CAN, THOUGH. THEY CHANGE OFTEN OF HOA MANAGEMENT COMPANIES. SO AGAIN, IT'S EITHER THE CITY SECRETARY'S, OFFICE CODE ENFORCEMENT, OR PD ARE THE ONES WHO TYPICALLY HAVE THAT. SO WHEN WE GET THOSE REQUESTS, WE SHOOT AN EMAIL OUT, SEE IF ANYBODY'S GOT A CONTACT WITH EITHER, UH, SOMEBODY ON THE HOA BOARD OR THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY. OKAY, THANK YOU BRIAN. UM, SOME OF THE, ONE OF THE LAST FEW PEOPLE ASK ABOUT, UH, AREA ONE AND AREA TWO, UH, IN THE PDD, THE WAY THE PD DD IS WRITTEN, UM, AREA ONE IS THAT SLIVER THAT THAT 12 OR 13 ACRES, THAT'S ACTUALLY IN APZ TWO, THE PDD SAYS NOTHING WILL BE BUILT THERE TO CHANGE THAT. THEY HAVE TO, IF, IF THEY DO DECIDE THEY WANNA BUILD SOMETHING OTHER THAN THAT STREET, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK IN AND GET CITY APPROVAL. THEY CAN'T. SO FOR RIGHT NOW, THE WAY THE PDD IS WRITTEN, THEY WILL BUILD NOTHING IN THAT A PZ. SO I HOPE THAT ANSWERS THAT QUESTION. UM, IT'S BEEN SEVERAL YEARS, BUT WE HAD THE SCHOOL DISTRICT COME IN. THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, UH, [02:30:01] DOES A LOT OF PLANNING. UH, IF YOU EVER GO OUT TO THE, UM, UM, COUNTY APPRAISAL DISTRICT AND START POKING AROUND ON THE MAP JUST SEEING WHO OWNS WHAT, YOU'LL BE SURPRISED HOW MANY PROPERTIES YOU COME ACROSS THAT ARE OWNED BY SCHOOL DISTRICTS. UM, THEY HAVE A, THEY HAVE SOMEBODY IN THE DISTRICT THAT, THAT THEIR JOB IS FORECASTING. YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE POP, WHAT'S THE POPULATION GROWTH? WHERE'S IT GONNA BE, WHERE DO WE NEED TO PUT SCHOOLS? AND IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, THAT'S A FIVE TO SEVEN YEAR PLAN, SOMETHING THERE. SO THEY'RE LOOKING OUT IN THE FUTURE AND THEY'RE ALWAYS CHANGING THAT. UM, SO THE CITY, I THINK THEY, WE DO NOTIFY THEM, UM, UH, IN, IN CASE THEY DON'T KNOW ALREADY. UM, BUT THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES ON THEN IN, UH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE EVER BEEN TO A SCHOOL BOARD MEETING, BUT, UH, THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS DO A LOT THAT, THAT YOU AND I DON'T TYPICALLY HEAR ABOUT. UM, AND THE OTHER THING, THE OTHER GENERAL QUESTION I WANT TO TRY TO ANSWER, UH, IS THAT ACCESS, UH, FROM SAVANNAH INTO THE, SOMEBODY SOMEWHERE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT AN EASEMENT. SO APPARENTLY WHEN I'M, I'M GUESSING WHEN KENSINGTON, IS IT PART OF THE KENSINGTON RANCH PLAT? IS THAT THERE'S A, IF I MAY. YEAH, IT WAS, SURE. SO, SO THE MOST RECENT REPL OF KENSINGTON RANCH ACTUALLY DEDICATED THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE STUB. UM, AND I'LL, I'LL ZOOM IN SO FOLKS CAN SEE, UM, ACTUALLY DEDICATED THE STUB, UM, RIGHT IN THROUGH HERE. SO THE ORIGINAL PLAT, A SUBSEQUENT RE PLAT ALL, ALL, UM, DESIGNATED AS RIGHT OF WAY RESERVATION, WHICH ISN'T ACTUALLY DEDICATION, BUT THE MOST RECENT REPL ACTUALLY DEDICATED THAT STUB OF IRISH CREEK ROAD, UM, ACROSS THAT DRAINAGE AREA AS AN EASEMENT. SO TECHNICALLY THE PROPERTY WOULD STILL BELONG TO THE HOA, SO WELL . YEAH, AGAIN, I, I DIDN'T ATTEND LAW SCHOOL. I ONLY KNOW ENOUGH TO BE DANGEROUS. YOU KNOW, WE, WE OFTEN REFER TO RIGHT OF WAY AS, AS KIND OF DIFFERENT THAN, THAN A TYPICAL EASEMENT DECA DEDICATION, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY A RIGHT OF WAY EASEMENT. SO TYPICALLY WHAT IT IS, IS THE PROPERTY OWNER STILL WHO DEDICATED IT, OWNS THE UNDERLYING FEE, SIMPLE, BUT THEY DON'T PAY TAXES ON IT. AND, AND SO IT'S DEDICATED AS RIGHT OF WAY FOR TO BE USED AS RIGHT OF WAY AND ASSOCIATED IMPROVEMENT. SO IT'S RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION, UM, IN THE CITY. YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE FELT THE NEED TO, WE COULD GO OUT TOMORROW AND BUILD A STREET SECTION ACROSS THAT. SO THE RIGHT OF WAY HAS BEEN DEDICATED VIA THE MOST RECENT REPL. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. SO, UM, I'M GONNA TAKE A BREAK AND LET THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS, AND AGAIN, SOME THERE, THERE'S TWO OR THREE OTHER QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED THAT I HAVE ON MY LIST TO ASK. OKAY. SO WHO'S NEXT? BECAUSE YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T, YOU KNOW, I DO. SO, EXCUSE ME, , JUST WANNA REMIND MR. OUTLAW, THIS IS NOT A JOB BECAUSE WE DON'T GET PAID, WE'RE JUST VOLUNTEERS. SO IF I GOT PAID, I WOULD CONSIDER IT A JOB, BUT IT'S NOT. UH, MR. OUTLAW MADE SOME COMMENTS ABOUT THE SCHOOLS. UM, I WENT INTO THE DEMOGRAPHIC STUDY THAT THEY DO EVERY QUARTER, AND THEY LOOK OUTSIDE OF 10 YEARS. AND FOR PASCAL, PASCAL WILL BE BELOW THEIR FUNCTIONAL CAPACITY FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS. SHIRTS, ELEMENTARY WILL BE WITHIN THEIR MAXIMUM CAPACITY, BUT SLIGHTLY ABOVE THEIR FUNCTIONAL CAPACITY. SO THERE'S NO INDICATION FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT THIS IS, THAT ANY OF THIS GROWTH IS GONNA BE AN ISSUE. AND THEN, UM, WILDER INTERMEDIATE IS BELOW THEIR FUNCTIONAL CAPACITY. SO I DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THE SCHOOL BEING OVERCROWDED CITY STAFF. DO WE HAVE A REQUIREMENT? PART OF THE NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENT ARE WE REQUIRED TO NOTIFY PEOPLE IN SELMA AND UNIVERSAL CITY? SO CUSTOMARILY, WE SEND NOTICES TO EVERY PARCEL WITHIN THE 200 FEET, WHETHER THEY'RE IN SELMA OR UC, BUT I BELIEVE EVERYONE WITHIN THE 200 FEET WAS EITHER INSUREDS OR UC FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. OKAY? SO I WILL SAY THOUGH, THAT THE, JUST FOR CLARITY, WE NOTIFY EVERYONE WITHIN 200 FEET AS A COURTESY AND, AND BECAUSE OF STATE LAW IN THE CITY [02:35:02] WITH, FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE, UM, OPPOSITION IN THE 20%, IT'S ONLY THE PROPERTIES WITH INSURANCE THAT COUNT TOWARDS THAT. AND I HAVE A QUESTION. THERE WAS SOME CONCERN ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE COMING INTO THIS AREA AND COMING INTO SHIRTS AND HOW SHIRTS IS GETTING CROWDED. DO WE HAVE THE PRO THE POPULATION PROJECTIONS FOR SHIRTS? WHERE, WHERE ARE WE TODAY AND WHAT'S OUR PROJECTION? SO WE ARE EXPECTED 1.8% COMPOUND GROWTH, UH, YEAR AFTER YEAR. SO BY 2030 WE'LL BE AT 58,000 BY 20 40, 70, 70,000. AND BY 20 50, 80 1000, 81, 80 1,734, THAT'S WHAT WE PROJECTED, OKAY, IN 1989, IT WAS 10,000. SO . BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT POPULATION AND GROWTH AND TRAFFIC, UH, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO MAX OUT AT 84,000, SO THAT'S DOUBLE WHAT WE HAVE NOW. SO HANG ON TO YOUR SEATS AND, AND I, I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT BETTER ABOUT THE AP PZ ZONES. SUREZ IS TRYING TO KEEP THE AP PZ ZONES CLEAR, BUT KENSINGTON RANCH IS IN AP PZ TWO. KENSINGTON RANCH IS ALREADY OVERCROWDING A PZ TWO, AND, AND, AND, AND CAUSING RISK AND AIRPLANES CRASHING INTO LIVING ROOMS, WHICH WAS MENTIONED BEFORE, AND AIRPLANES CRASHING INTO LITTLE KIDS. YOU'RE ALREADY IN A PZ TWO, SO IS UNIVERSAL CITY, AND SO IS SELMA. SO WE'RE TRYING TO STAY OUT OF IT. UM, AND A QUESTION FOR YOU, THE CITY OR THE DEVELOPER, UM, WILL THIS COMPLEX BE ANY OF THE ABOVE? WILL IT BE INCOME BASED SECTION EIGHT VOUCHER OR MARKET RATE? SO I'LL, I'LL, I'LL GIVE YOU A CITY ANSWER AND THEN I'LL LET THE DEVELOPER COME UP AND, AND GIVE YOU AN ANSWER. SO JUST AS A REMINDER, AND FOR FOLKS OUT IN THE AUDIENCE, THE CITY CANNOT REGULATE OR REQUIRE OR RESTRICT WHETHER ANY PROPERTY, BE IT A SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT'S PURCHASED OR RENTED OR AN APARTMENT COMPLEX IS EITHER INCOME RESTRICTED, IS ELIGIBLE FOR SECTION EIGHT VOUCHERS OR HIS MARKET RATE, THE CITY LEGALLY CANNOT REGULATE THAT. SO AGAIN, YOU OFTEN HEAR STAFF SAY, WE TEND NOT TO TALK ABOUT IT BECAUSE WE CAN'T REGULATE IT. SO WE CAN'T CONTROL WHAT HAPPENS WITH REGARD TO THAT A YEAR FROM NOW, FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, 10 YEARS FROM NOW. IT, IT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING THE CITY CAN REGULATE, BUT CERTAINLY THE DEVELOPER CAN COME UP AND TELL YOU WHAT THEIR PLAN IS OR WHAT THEY INTEND TO DO, IF YOU'D LIKE. AND, AND THAT'S, AND BRIAN, THAT'S VERY SIMILAR TO IF I WANT TO RENT OUT MY HOUSE, MY NEIGHBORS HAVE NO CONTROL OVER WHO I RENT MY HOUSE OUT TO. THAT IS CORRECT. AND AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S JUST FOR FOLKS, YOU KNOW, TO UNDERSTAND THIS. THEY'RE OFTEN SURPRISED THAT THERE ARE HOMES THAT ACCEPT SECTION EIGHT VOUCHERS AS PART OF THE RENT COMPONENT WITHIN NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE CITY OF CHURCH. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. SO, UM, ON BEHALF OF THE DEVELOPER, WE ARE NOT SEEKING ANY, UH, TAX CREDITS, UH, ANY, ANY BOND THROUGH T-D-H-C-A. WE ARE NOT BUILDING AN AFFORDABLE OR WORKFORCE PRODUCT. OKAY? IT IS A MARKET RATE PRODUCT, BUT JUST LIKE THE CITY CAN'T REGULATE IT, WE CAN'T TURN DOWN SOMEONE WHO SHOWS UP WITH A SECTION EIGHT VOUCHER AT OUR, YOU KNOW, IF THEY CAN MAKE THE RENT. NOW REMEMBER, THE VOUCHER WOULD NOT COVER THE ENTIRE RENT ON A MARKET RATE DEAL. UH, BUT IF THEY HAVE THE MEANS AND THEY HAVE A VOUCHER TO COVER PART OF IT, WE CANNOT TURN THEM DOWN UNDER THE FAIR HOUSING ACT. WE ARE BUILDING IT AS A MARKET RATE PRODUCT. OKAY, THANKS. UH, AND THERE, THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE. I MEAN, SOME, SOME FOLKS YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU LIVED IN APARTMENTS PREVIOUSLY, AND SO HAVE I, AND PROBABLY EVERYBODY, UH, THE, THE WAY YOU'RE TALKING, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU AND ME AND EVERYBODY ELSE UP HERE WERE SOME KIND OF A VAGRANT OR SOME KIND OF A, A A CRIME CRIMINAL KIND OF THING. YOU KNOW, I HAVE A SON WHO'S A TEACHER WHO'S BEEN TEACHING FOR QUITE A WHILE AND HE CAN'T AFFORD A HOUSE. WHERE'S HE SUPPOSED TO LIVE? I HAVE A SON WHO'S A, WHO WORKS FOR THE FOREST SERVICE AND WAS A MARINE. HE DOESN'T MAKE ENOUGH TO, TO BUY A HOUSE IN TODAY'S MARKET. WHERE'S HE SUPPOSED TO LIVE? WE, WE NEED PLACES AND SHIRTS THAT ARE AFFORDABLE WHERE PEOPLE CAN LIVE THAT ARE NOT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. AND [02:40:02] THE MARKET RIGHT NOW WE'VE HEARD FROM OTHER DEVELOPERS IS, UH, AS FOLKS GET OLDER AND THEY BECOME EMPTY NESTERS AND THEY HAVE A 3,500 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE AND THEY WANT TO DOWNSIZE, WHERE CAN THEY GO? THEY CAN GO TO A PLACE LIKE THIS AND RENT A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE IN AN APARTMENT COMPLEX AND HAVE NO MAINTENANCE, NO GRASS CUTTING, NONE OF THAT STUFF. THERE'S A MARKET FOR THAT NOWADAYS. AND IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT THERE'S A DEVELOPER THAT WANTS TO PUT ONE OF THESE IN SHIRTS. SO YOU MIGHT BE IN THAT SITUATION ONE OF THESE DAYS, MAYBE NOT TODAY, BUT YOU MIGHT BE IN THAT SITUATION ONE OF THESE DAYS. SO IT'S, IT'S JUST A CIGNA, A A, A SIGNIFIER OF WHAT THE MARKET IS TODAY AND, AND WHAT PEOPLE ARE BUILDING TODAY. I THINK THAT'S ALL. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE ONE ACCESS TO THIS AREA. IS THERE THOUGHTS ABOUT PUTTING A ROAD TO THE SOUTH? IS THERE ACCESS THAT MAY BE TO THE WEST? I KNOW IT SAYS EMERGENCY ONLY, BUT THE ONE ACCESS IN AND OUT OR THE EGRESS AREA, JUST I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT. CAN WE ADDRESS THAT? SURE. SO, SO JUST AGAIN, FOR FOR CLARIFICATION THERE, THERE'S RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATED HERE FOR THE PRIMARY POINT THAT THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT. THERE'S, UH, RIGHT OF WAY THAT APPEARS TO BE DEDICATED UP TO THE PROPERTY LINE, UM, THROUGH THE, THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND UC. UM, WHATNOT. JUST AS A REMINDER FOR THE COMMISSIONERS, UM, THIS LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION, UH, THE STATE LEGISLATURE PASSED AND WENT INTO EFFECT HOUSE BILL 36 99. AND SO, CITIES, LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, COUNTIES CAN NO LONGER ESSENTIALLY REQUIRE DEDICATION OF STREETS THAT THE DEVELOPER DOES NOT WANT TO DEDICATE, AND WHICH IS NOT ON THE CITY'S CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM AND FUNDED. SO THE ANSWER WE HAVE IS THE CITY CANNOT REQUIRE ANOTHER STREET POINT OF ACCESS. AND AGAIN, THE BIGGER CHALLENGE THAT WE WILL TALK ABOUT WITH THE COMMISSION GOING FORWARD IS OUR ABILITY TO ACTUALLY GET ROADS ON OUR THOROUGHFARE PLAN AND SUBSTITUTE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IN LIGHT OF THAT NEW STATE LAW THAT PASSED, UH, THIS TIME. AND SO THAT, THAT'S THE CASE. NOW, I WILL SAY THIS, THAT WHAT YOU'VE GOT HERE AS A REMINDER IS A ZONING EVENT. AND SO JUST FOR FOLKS TO REMEMBER, THE OTHER STEPS FOR DEVELOPMENT IS IN ORDER TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT, THE DEVELOPER WOULD HAVE TO, UH, PLAT THE, THE PROPERTY AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO MEET OUR REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT. THEY WOULD ALSO HAVE TO GET A SITE PLAN APPROVED AND MEET THE CITY'S REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT. AND SO, TYPICALLY, AND I'LL SAY THIS, THE, THE BIGGEST HAMMER THE CITY HAS IN ONE OF THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES IS IN FACT WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, IS THE ABILITY TO REQUIRE APPROPRIATE, UH, FIRE ACCESS, UM, FOR EMERGENCY PURPOSES. AND SO AGAIN, THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE THE SECOND LIKELY PLAN. SO TYPICALLY WE HAVE COMPLEXES WITH TWO WAYS IN AND TWO WAYS OUT. UM, SO AGAIN, THAT'S NOT SAY THAT THE COMMISSION MIGHT FEEL THAT ACCESS OR IMPACT ON ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE IS SUCH, AND THAT MAY BE A FACTOR WHY YOU WOULD RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE ZONING OR IT IS AND, AND RECOMMEND APPROVAL. UM, BUT, BUT ESSENTIALLY IN TERMS OF THE QUESTION THE RESIDENT ASKS WHY NOT AUB STREET TO THE SOUTH? THE CITY CAN'T MANDATE THAT, CAN'T REQUIRE THAT GOING FORWARD. THAT'S A FUNCTION OF OUR STATE LEGISLATURE THAT CHOSE TO FURTHER RESTRICT THE POWERS OF CITIES AND COUNTIES. AND SO ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE'LL BE TALKING WITH YOU ABOUT IS HOW WE BUILD THE ROADS THAT WE'RE GONNA NEED IN OUR COMMUNITY. IN LIGHT OF THAT GOING FORWARD, I, YOU KNOW, NOT TO PONTIFICATE, I HAVE NOT SEEN WHAT THE LOGIC OF THAT, UH, LAW WAS ON THE PART OF THE STATE, BUT IS WHAT IT IS. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE RADIUS OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY, UM, THAT ONE OF THE RESIDENTS HAD. WAS IT JUST FOR THAT SAVANNAH ROAD, OR HOW FAR DID THAT RADIUS EXTEND? YEAH, SO, SO GENERALLY IN THIS CASE, AND, AND, AND LET ME SAY THIS, WE REQUIRE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS AND AT DIFFERENT STEPS IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. SO AGAIN, THERE'S A REQUIREMENT WITH THE ZONING. THERE'S A REQUIREMENT, I BELIEVE WITH THE PLAT AND WITH THE SITE PLAN AS WELL. AND OFTEN SOME OF THOSE TIAS, IT'S THE SAME DOCUMENT. BUT FOR EXAMPLE, WHILE THE ZONING MAY CAP THE NUMBER OF UNITS AT 486 [02:45:01] AND MAKE SOME ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT THE MIX OF TYPE IN TERMS OF THE SORT OF DETACHED, WHICH IS MORE LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY GENERATES MORE TRAFFIC THAN A TYPICAL MULTIFAMILY UNIT. WHEN THE SITE PLAN WERE TO COME IN, THAT'S WHEN WE KNOW EXACTLY HOW MANY UNITS AND, AND LIKELY THEY WOULD ADJUST THE TIA BASED ON THAT FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS TIA ESSENTIALLY WHAT, WHAT WAS LOOKED AT, WHAT THE, THE LENGTH OF SAVANNAH AS FOLKS HAVE SAID, AND I GOTTA LOOK AT WHICH MAP I'M LOOKING AT 'CAUSE I'M LOOKING THAT WAY AND GETTING OFF REALLY DOWN TO 1518 IN THE 1518 INTERSECTION AND ALL THE WAY UP TO SHIRTZ PARKWAY AND THAT INTERSECTION. IT DID NOT GO BEYOND THAT. NOW THAT BEING SAID, STAFF, IN REVIEWING THIS AND, AND I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS FROM THE RESIDENTS, YOU CAN READ A TIA, BUT UNTIL YOU'VE KIND OF GONE OUT DURING PEAK TIMES IN PARTICULAR AND SAT THERE IN TRAFFIC, AND, AND WE OFTEN DO THAT, UH, PARTICULARLY WITH REGARD TO OUR, UH, THE WORK WE DO WITH OUR TRAFFIC SAFETY ANALYSIS COMMITTEE IS TO SORT OF EXPERIENCE UNDERSTAND HOW MANY CYCLES YOU'RE GOING THROUGH, HOW MANY THINGS LIKE THAT. SO, SO I WILL SAY THIS AS JUST IN GENERAL, YEAH, TRAFFIC ON FM 1518, THIS SECTION IS A MESS. THE ROAD IS UNDERSIZED. IT NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED. IT WAS CERTAINLY THOSE WHO'VE LIVED HERE LONG ENOUGH, REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS LIKE WHEN THEY HAD THE STOP SIGNS AND IT'S A BIG IMPROVEMENT WHEN THEY WENT TO THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS. AND AGAIN, IF WE CAN GET THOSE TRAFFIC SOCIALS ADJUSTED OR SOMEONE OUT THERE WHEN WE, WE RELEASE AT AN EVENT, AND I, I KNOW SOCCER'S ONE, BUT CERTAINLY JUBILEE FOR EXAMPLE, TRYING TO GET FOLKS OUT THAT WAY IS A MESS. AND, AND SO IF I COULD A MINUTE, THE, THE REALITY AND FOLKS TALKED ABOUT IT WOULD BE GREAT IF SCHOOLS WERE BUILT IN ADVANCE AND ROADS WERE BUILT IN ADVANCE. AGAIN, LOVE LIVING IN TEXAS, THAT'S ONE OF THE GUYS TALKED ABOUT. I WASN'T BORN HERE EITHER. MY DAD WAS IN THE AIR FORCE OF ALL MY SIBLINGS. I WAS THE ONLY ONE NOT BORN IN TEXAS 'CAUSE HE WAS STATIONED IN OKLAHOMA WHEN I WAS BORN. AND MY SIBLINGS GIMME GRIEF ABOUT NOT BEING A NATIVE TEXAN. BUT ONE THING ABOUT TEXAS AGAIN, IS UNLIKE SOME OTHER STATES, CALIFORNIA, FLORIDA, THAT HAVE CONCURRENCY LAWS WITH INFRASTRUCTURE, TEXAS DOES NOT HAVE THAT. AND SO IN TEXAS, INFRASTRUCTURE FOLLOWS DEVELOPMENT. AND REALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS IN PRACTICE, TRAFFIC HAS TO GET BAD BEFORE IT BECOMES ENOUGH OF A PRIORITY FOR THERE TO BE FUNDING ALLOCATED FOR THOSE IMPROVEMENTS TO OCCUR. AND IN LARGE PART, THAT'S BECAUSE TEXAS IS A GREAT PLACE AND THERE ARE A LOT OF FOLKS MOVING TO TEXAS AND JUST UP THE ROAD IN NEW BRAUNFELS IS ONE OF THE FASTEST GROWING AREAS OF THE STATE AND THE COUNTRY. AND SO THAT'S THE REALITY OF IT, IS WE CAN'T REQUIRE, AGAIN, STATE LAW DOESN'T LET US REQUIRE FOLKS TO WIDEN PROGRAM DEVELOPMENT TO WIDEN FM ROADWAYS. AND, AND THAT AGAIN, IS REALLY A FUNCTION OF THE STATE. AGAIN, I WILL SAY WE CERTAINLY PARTNER WITH OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES, SOME OF THE COUNCILMEN ON OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES, INCLUDING SELMA WHO SIT ON THE AMPO BOARD, WHICH IS THE REGIONAL KIND OF FUNDING MECHANISM. UM, BUT IT WAGS. SO AS YOU KNOW, 1518 TO THE SOUTH OF 78 SHOULD HAVE BEEN IMPROVED SIX, SEVEN YEARS AGO. AND IT'S JUST KICKING OFF NOW FOR CONSTRUCTION 1103, THE SAME WAY 35 PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE 10 SHOULD HAVE, UNFORTUNATELY THEY'RE ALL KICKING OFF AND ALL UNDER CONSTRUCTION AT THE SAME TIME OR GOING INTO CONSTRUCTION, BUT WE'LL TAKE WHAT WE CAN GET. SO, SO THE TIA WENT TO THOSE INTERSECTIONS PRIMARILY STAFF AS AWARENESS OF THE BACKGROUND TRAFFIC THAT OCCURS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE INTERSECTION. SO WE WERE KEENLY AWARE OF WHAT HAPPENS EVERY MORNING AND EVERY AFTERNOON ON SAVANNAH WITH PASCAL BECAUSE THERE IS NOT ADEQUATE STACKING ON THE PASCAL CAMPUS BECAUSE IT'S AN, AN OLDER CAMPUS AND CARS LINE UP DOWN SAVANNAH AS WELL. AND AGAIN, THE INTERSECTIONS, BUT THE REALITY IS IT WASN'T INCLUDED NECESSARILY IN THE TIA, BUT THERE'S AN AWARENESS ON THE PART OF STAFF OF WHAT IS GOING ON THERE. UM, BUT REALLY AGAIN, I CAN'T REQUIRE THEM TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO 1518. AND AGAIN, AS WE TALK ABOUT WHEN WE LOOK AT ZONING CASES, AND, AND AGAIN, I KNOW FOLKS ARE GONNA BE MAD AND FRUSTRATED AND I CAN APPRECIATE THAT WE MAKE ZONING CASE DECISIONS BASED ON WHAT IS OUR PLANS AND WHAT'S THE ULTIMATE CONDITION CALL FOR. AND ULTIMATELY 1518 WILL BE IMPROVED AND WIDENED TO ACCOMMODATE IT. SO THERE'S NOT A CONCERN THERE. WHAT WE DO LOOK AT IS THOSE AREAS WITHIN THE TIA, WHAT HAPPENS TO LEVEL OF SERVICE AND WHERE IT DROPS. AND I WANNA ALSO BE REAL CLEAR, EVERY TIME WE GET A SINGLE HOUSE BUILT, [02:50:01] WE GET MORE TRAFFIC ON OUR ROADS AND OUR TRAFFIC GETS A LITTLE BIT WORSE. NOW WITH ONE HOUSE, YOU, YOU MAY NOT NOTICE IT WHEN YOU GET 200 HOUSES, YOU MAY START TO NOTICE IT. WHEN YOU GET AN APARTMENT COMPLEX WITH 485 UNITS, YOU NOTICE IT, IT ADDS TRAFFIC. THAT ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC MAKES IT WORSE, IT DROPS LEVEL OF SERVICE, BUT IT DOESN'T DROP IT TO THE POINT THAT IT, IT ISN'T INTENDED TO ACCOMMODATE OR, OR CAN'T ACCOMMODATE IT. BUT, BUT WHAT FOLKS AGAIN NEED TO REMEMBER, AND I THINK COMMISSIONER OUTLAW'S CONVERSATIONS WERE GOOD. IF YOU GO BACK AND YOU LOOK AT WHAT WAS OUT HERE 25 YEARS AGO, A LOT OF THE STUFF WAS NOT OUT HERE. AND SO THERE WAS A LOT OF BACKGROUND TRAFFIC THAT IS COMING REGARDLESS THAT IS MAKING THE ROAD SITUATION WORSE. SO AGAIN, FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, TO BE CLEAR, THE ADDITIONAL UNITS MAKE TRA MAKE ADD MORE TRAFFIC AND MAKES CONGESTION WORSE. THE APPLICANT WITH THAT TI COMING IN WITH DEVELOPMENT, NOT THE ZONING WOULD HAVE TO MITIGATE FOR SOME OF THOSE, BUT YEAH, IT IS GONNA ADD MORE TRAFFIC AND CREATE MORE CONGESTION AND THAT WOULD HAPPEN WHETHER THIS IS APARTMENTS OR SINGLE FAMILY, BUT CERTAINLY THIS NUMBER OF APARTMENTS ADDS MORE TRAFFIC THAN THE NUMBER OF SINGLE FAMILY THAT COULD BE BUILT THERE TO, TO BE PERFECTLY CLEAR IN DEFERENCE TO THE RESIDENTS, THEY'RE RIGHT ON THAT. SO IT'S PERFECTLY REASONABLE FOR 'EM TO SAY, I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD APPROVE THIS BECAUSE IT ADDS TRAFFIC, MAKES IT WORSE. IN TERMS OF WHAT WE LOOK AT THOUGH WITH ZONING CASES, IT DOESN'T RISE TO THAT LEVEL TO BE PROBLEMATIC TO DENY THE ZONING. IT IT, THAT'S A LONG-WINDED EXPLANATION, BUT I HOPE THAT KIND OF HELPS OR MAYBE IT JUST CONFUSED YOU MORE. DO YOU HAVE ANY EXAMPLES OF WHAT THOSE MITIGATION MEASURES WOULD BE? SURE, I CAN, I CAN TELL YOU, AND AGAIN, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STAFF LOOKS AT WITH THIS, AND I WANNA BE REAL CLEAR, AND SO FOR THIS FOLKS ARE, ARE, ARE CERTAINLY WELCOME TO SUBMIT A OPEN RECORDS REQUEST. THERE'S, IF YOU GO TO THE CITY'S WEBSITE, THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE, WE IN FACT HAVE A NEW SOFTWARE WHERE YOU CAN MORE EASILY DO THAT AND THEY GET A COPY OF THE TIA, UM, AND, AND SO STAFF KIND OF LOOKS THOSE THINGS OVER. WE DON'T NECESSARILY APPROVE 'EM BECAUSE WE CAN'T GUARANTEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY COME IN AND DEVELOP, WHICH IS ACTUALLY WHAT TRIGGERS IT. BUT SO FOR EXAMPLE, COMMON THINGS THAT MIGHT OCCUR ON A TIA LIKE THIS COULD BE COMING IN AND ADDING AN ADDITIONAL TURN LANE OFF SAVANNAH AT 1518, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU THINK ABOUT SOME OF THE STREETS YOU DRIVE ON WHEN THE ROAD STARTS OUT AND IT'S JUST ONE LANE AND PEOPLE CAN EITHER MAKE A LEFT GO STRAIGHT OR MAKE A RIGHT. THE GUY WHO'S TRYING TO MAKE A RIGHT WAITING FOR THE PERSON TO MAKE A LEFT IN FRONT OF HIM IS GETTING REALLY FRUSTRATED GOING, GOD, WOULD YOU JUST GO, I I JUST NEED TO MAKE A RIGHT. AND SO PART OF HOW YOU MITIGATE THAT IS AGAIN, YOU ADD A LEFT TURN LANE, YOU ADD A THROUGH LANE AND YOU ADD A RIGHT TURN LANE. AND SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT COULD BE MADE. NOW SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT ARE MADE, AND IT'S NOT TYPICALLY CONSIDERED AN IMPROVEMENT, IS LOOKING AT THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL TIMING. AND THAT SHOULD GENERALLY BE DONE GIVEN THE GROWTH IN THE AREA PERIODICALLY AS WELL BECAUSE AS THOSE PATTERNS OF TRAFFIC CHANGE, WHETHER THIS DEVELOPS OR NOT, YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THOSE SIGNAL TIMING TO GET EFFICIENCY. DOES IT NEED TO BE LONGER ONE WAY NOW THAN IT USED TO BE BECAUSE WE HAVE MORE TRAFFIC GOING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER? THOSE ARE SOME OF THE ISSUES. I WILL SAY THIS THAT AGAIN, THE SHIRTZ PARKWAY IS A MUCH MORE SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGE AND IN LARGE PART THE ISSUE IS IT'S BECAUSE OF PASCAL AND IT'S BECAUSE OF THAT SIGNIFICANT STACKING ON SAVANNAH TO GET INTO PASCAL. AND, AND WE WOULD NEED TO LOOK MUCH MORE CAREFULLY AT IMPROVEMENTS BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT AFFECTS THIS IS TYPICALLY DURING THOSE PEAK TIMES IN THE MORNING IN THE AFTERNOON IS WHEN YOU GOT PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUTTA PASCAL, IT TENDS TO OVERLAP. AND AS Y'ALL KNOW WHO DRIVE THROUGH THIS, WE HAVE CROSSING GUARDS, THEIR CITY EMPLOYEES OR MY COWORKERS WHO ARE OUT THERE EVERY MORNING AND EVERY AFTERNOON AND THEY'RE OUT THERE WHEN IT'S 105 DEGREES AND THEY'RE OUT THERE WHEN IT'S 30 DEGREES AND IT'S RAINING AND I'M SITTING IN MY OFFICE. AND, AND SO THAT AFFECTS WHAT IMPROVEMENTS CAN BE MADE BECAUSE SOME OF THE THINGS YOU WOULD TYPICALLY DO IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE THAT IS DIFFERENT HERE BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT A CROSSING GUARD WHO IS STANDING IN THE ROAD HERE NOT LETTING CARS TURN TO LET STUDENTS PASS. AND SO I WILL JUST SAY THAT, THAT WE ARE NOT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM CLOSE TO MAKING A RECOMMENDATION WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. THIS WAS AN INITIAL LOOK FOR THE ZONING, BUT A MUCH MORE DETAILED LOOK AT THAT INTERSECTION THAT FOCUSES ON THE, THE SIGNAL TIMING AND THE PATTERNS OF THE CROSS CROSSING GUARDS NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING UP THERE, UM, TO LOOK AT AND, AND AGAIN, I'LL JUST TAKE THE MINUTE AND GO ON A LITTLE BIT OF A TANGENT HERE. THE, THE FOLKS I THINK TALKED ABOUT IT AS, RIGHT, UM, THEY'RE, UH, GOING TO T SAC SYLVANIA SAFETY ADVISORY [02:55:01] COMMITTEE WAS AN IMPROVEMENT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD TO, TO ALLOW FOR A, A SAFER CROSSING. THE PROBLEM WE HAVE HERE IS NOT JUST BUILDING A SIDEWALK OVER HERE, IT'S THE WIDTH ON THE DETS CREEK BRIDGE DOES NOT ALLOW FOR THE SIDEWALK. UM, AND SO AGAIN, THE WAY THE PROCESS WORKS, WE APPRECIATE YOU SHOWING UP TONIGHT. I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY HERE WHO SAYS, I WANT A SIDEWALK BUILT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF SAVANNAH AND I WANT THAT INTERSECTION CROSSING IMPROVED WHETHER THE APARTMENT HAPPENS OR NOT. BUT CERTAINLY IF IT WERE TO GO THROUGH TO EMAIL YOUR COUNCIL PEOPLE, WE HAVE A COUNCIL PRE-BUDGET RETREAT ON THE 22ND OF THIS MONTH. AND SO I WILL TELL YOU IF THEY GOT 50 EMAILS FROM RESIDENTS GOING, YOU NEED TO FUND THIS, I CAN PRETTY MUCH GUARANTEE ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS OUT OF THEIR MOUTH THAT THAT RETREAT WOULD BE, ARE WE PUTTING IN MONEY FOR THE SIDEWALK AND THE CROSSING? SO I'D ENCOURAGE YOU TO PARTICIPATE. IT'S HOW YOU GET HEARD, IT'S HOW THINGS GET FUNDED AGAIN. OKAY. NO, NO, NO SIR. I'M SORRY THAT THE, THE WELL WHAT YOU I'LL CATCH YOU AFTER. YEAH. UH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY. THANK YOU BRIAN. WELL, UH, TO KEEP THE MEETING MOVING, IT'S, IT'S ONE WAY AT THIS POINT, BUT, UH, I'M SURE MR. JAMES, AND, AND, UH, AT LEAST THERE'LL BE AVAILABLE, UH, WHEN WE CLOSE THIS PART OF THE MEETING, UM, TO ANSWER THOSE KINDS OF QUESTIONS. YES. OKAY. IT TAKES FOUR TO APPROVE. SO AGAIN, ONE LAST NOTE AS A REMINDER, THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN OFTEN PER THE BYLAWS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. IT TAKES AN AFFIRMATIVE VOTE OF FOUR TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF AN ITEM. YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANY THINGS YOU CAN KNOCK OFF MY LIST. YEAH. SO THE, UH, THE, THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, I HAVE A QUESTION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT, UH, THE RESULTS OF THAT, UH, ARE MADE PUBLIC. WERE SHARED. SO, SO WHAT I WILL SAY THIS, SO THEY, THEY ARE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC, OKAY? FOLKS NEED TO GO TO THE CITY'S WEBSITE, TURN IN AN OPEN RECORDS REQUEST. 'CAUSE THERE'S CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS IF IT'S A, A DOCUMENT FROM AN ENGINEERING FIRM THAT WE HAVE TO NOTIFY, ET CETERA. SO FOLKS CAN GET THAT. THEY CAN GO HOME TONIGHT, THEY CAN GO ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE, I BELIEVE IT'S UNDER CITY SECRETARY, AN OPEN RECORDS REQUEST. THERE'S A NEW SOFTWARE PROGRAM AND THEY CAN REQUEST A COPY OF THAT TIA FOR THIS ZONING CASE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND AND ALSO THE, THE MITIGATION TO THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS. SO THE, YEAH, THE TIA, THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS HAS THE RECOMMENDED MITIGATION ITEMS IN IT. AND AGAIN, I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR FOR FOLKS THAT WHAT STAFF LOOKS AT ON A ZONING CASE IS NOT YES, IT'S DEFINITELY THAT IMPROVEMENT BECAUSE WE LOOK AT IT AND GO, YEAH, I'M NOT SO SURE ABOUT THAT. RIGHT? WHAT, WHAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT IS, DOES THE PROPOSED ZONING CREATE ESSENTIALLY A FAILURE, A DROPPING TO A LEVEL OF SERVICE F THAT CANNOT BE MITIGATED IS THE STANDARD WE LOOK AT WITH THE ZONING. MM-HMM. . AND THAT'S DIFFERENT AGAIN THAN WHEN THEY COME IN WITH THE SITE PLAN AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THE TIA MORE SPECIFICALLY FOR HERE'S HOW MANY UNITS, HERE'S WHAT TYPE, AND HERE'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GONNA SUPPORT AND CAN REQUIRE AND MANDATE TO HAPPEN. SO IT'S IN THERE, BUT I, AGAIN, I JUST WANT PEOPLE TO BE CLEAR IT'S RECOMMENDATIONS AT THIS POINT. IT, IT'S NOT A GUARANTEE THAT THOSE WOULD HAPPEN, UM, EITHER BECAUSE OF THAT CHANGE WHEN IT COMES IN OR STAFF MAY LOOK AT IT AND SAY, YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT ACTUALLY HELPS. OR YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THIS ADDITIONAL FACTOR. AGAIN, I WENT ON A LONG DIATRIBE WITH SHORTS, PARKWAY AND, AND, AND SAVANNAH, AND THAT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE WHERE THE RECOMMENDATION THERE, WE, WE WOULDN'T WANT MORE DETAILED STUDY TO, TO DO SOMETHING BECAUSE OF THOSE FACTORS. OKAY. AND, AND DOES THE, UH, DOES IT ALSO INCLUDE WHAT THAT FAILURE WOULD LOOK LIKE, RIGHT? SO IF I WERE TO LOOK AT IT TO SEE THE ACTUAL ANALYSIS AS WELL AS THE MITIGATION, WOULD I ALSO BE ABLE TO DETERMINE WHAT YOU WOULD VIEW AS A FAILURE VERSUS SOMETHING THAT YOU AS THAT THE CITY COULD SUPPORT? YEAH, SO, SO WHAT I'LL SAY AS YOU, AS YOU DO, WHAT IT GIVES YOU IS THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT THE CHANGE GOES TO. AND THEN IT, IT, IT GIVES, I BELIEVE, AND I'LL LOOK TO THE CALLIER ENGINEER WHEREVER HE IS, THE LENGTH OF TIME [03:00:01] OF DELAY, THE ADDITIONAL NUMBER OF SECONDS. SO IT PROVIDES YOU THAT IN THERE. THE, THE CHALLENGE I'LL TELL FOLKS WITH TIA AND THIS IS WHERE I'M CERTAIN THAT THE, THE DEVELOPER'S ATTORNEY WOULD, WOULD BE ABLE TO HELP, PROBABLY PROVIDE SOME MORE INFORMATION TO FOLKS, IS THE CHALLENGE WE HAVE. EVEN THE FOLKS WHO LOOK AT IT IS SAYING, HOW DO I TAKE THAT AND TRANSLATE THAT TO ME SITTING IN MY CAR? AND, AND WHAT IT FEELS LIKE IS, IS AT TIMES DIFFICULT. BUT YEAH, THE, THE TIA TALKS ABOUT THE LEVEL OF SERVICE CHANGE TALKS ABOUT HOW THE MITIGATION CHANGES THE LEVEL OF SERVICE AND TALKS ABOUT THE CHANGE IN TIME DELAY, HOW MANY MORE SECONDS ONE WOULD SIT TO GO THROUGH AN INTERSECTION. IT GIVES YOU THAT, THE CHALLENGE IS ALWAYS IN TRANSLATING THAT OF WHAT DOES IT REALLY FEEL LIKE, UM, MOVING FORWARD. BUT IT GIVES YOU THAT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. YEAH, YOU KNOW, SO, SO THESE TOPICS ARE, ARE, ARE TOUGH, UH, AND WE'VE DEALT WITH SEVERAL OF THEM, UH, ESPECIALLY AS IT RELATES TO, UH, TRAFFIC CONCERNS. UH, AND SOMEONE DID ASK THE QUESTION ABOUT, UH, AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDY. WAS ONE OF THOSE DONE? NO, NO. OKAY. YOU CAN GET UP ON THIS ONE TOO IF YOU WANT IT. SO NO, THE, THE CITY OF SHES AND MOST OF THE CITIES AROUND US, WE DO NOT REQUIRE, OKAY. ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDIES. A AGAIN, AND, AND I WILL JUST SAY THIS, I CAN CERTAINLY APPRECIATE FOLKS, THEY MOVE INTO AN AREA THAT'S GROWING. THEY SEE THE FIELD, THEY SEE THE DEER, PARTICULARLY IN THIS AREA AS AN EXAMPLE. AND, AND THAT WILDLIFE'S GONNA GET MOVED OUT. BUT WE DO NOT REQUIRE, OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES DO NOT REQUIRE, WE KIND OF SMALL ONES AROUND US REQUIRE AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDY. OKAY. UH, WITH IT NOW WE HAVE REGULATIONS DEALING WITH STORM WATER RUNOFF IN QUALITY AND THOSE WOULD COME INTO EFFECT FOR DEVELOPMENT. UM, BUT AGAIN, WE'RE NOT LIKE CALIFORNIA OR FLORIDA WHERE WE REQUIRE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDIES. AND, AND SO AGAIN, TO BE, YOU KNOW, JUST IN FAIRNESS TO FOLKS, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDIES WEREN'T DONE WITH ANY OF THESE FOLKS WHEN DONE WITH CITY HALL. RIGHT. OKAY. WE JUST DON'T REQUIRE 'EM. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. SO THE TRAFFIC IS A CONCERN, RIGHT? I, UH, I OFTEN WALK UP AND DOWN, SAVANNAH AND I HAVE BEEN ALMOST HIT A COUPLE OF TIMES BECAUSE OF CARS SPEEDING AROUND. THOSE TWO BLIND CURVES ARE FOR REAL. UH, AND UNFORTUNATELY, UH, PEOPLE DON'T MIND DRIVING TO SEE IF THEY CAN MAKE THE CURVE RIGHT ON TWO WHEELS. UH, UH, I I DID HAVE A, A A QUESTION FOR, UH, SO THE STRUCTURE OF THE HOA AND, AND I GUESS I WAS CONFUSED AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE DEVELOPER ACTUALLY SPOKE TO THE ACTUAL HOA OR WAS IT THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY? UH, CAN YOU JUST CLARIFY THAT? I I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE SPOKEN TO THE HOA, UH, WE GOT THE NAME OF THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY BECAUSE, UH, WE FELT LIKE THEY WOULD BE THE BEST, THEY'D HAVE THE BEST ABILITY TO GET AHOLD OF THEIR CLIENT. UH, AND SO THAT'S WHY WE, WE WENT THROUGH THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY AND WE HAVE HAD EMAILS BACK AND FORTH, BUT MOSTLY IT WAS ABOUT THAT RIGHT OF WAY, THAT DEDICATION OF RIGHT AWAY. OKAY. AND THE ACCESS POINT. UH, OKAY. ALRIGHT. OKAY. NO, THANK YOU. UM, YEAH, I, SO I DID JUST WANNA MENTION, YOU KNOW, UH, I HEARD A LOT OF TALK ABOUT THE HOUSING CRISIS THAT'S, UH, A NATIONWIDE CONCERN, RIGHT? THERE APPEARS TO BE ONE. UH, AND THAT COULD BE TRUE IN SOME COMMUNITIES AND NOT IN OTHERS. UH, I DID ALSO WANT TO JUST, UH, RECOGNIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M A PRODUCT OF THE PROJECTS. AND SO UNFORTUNATELY I HAVE HEARD THAT MANY TIMES AS A CONCERN, UH, WHICH, UH, WHICH IS A LITTLE DISCONCERTING TO ME QUITE HONESTLY, UH, BECAUSE, UH, EVERYONE NEEDS SOMEWHERE TO SHELTER, YOU KNOW? AND, UH, I'VE, UH, I'VE NEVER COMMITTED A CRIME IN MY LIFE, AND SO WHEN I, UH, HEAR THAT INFERENCE, UH, I GET CONCERNED. UH, SO I WOULD JUST SAY THAT [03:05:01] AS A COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, CHURCH IS A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE. I'VE BEEN HERE OVER 20 YEARS MYSELF AND RAISED MY KIDS HERE AND, AND, UH, I APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, THE SAFETY AND, AND, AND ALL THE GOODNESS THAT COMES FROM, UH, LIVING IN THIS COMMUNITY. UH, I WOULD JUST HOPE THAT WE ARE DEFINITELY, UH, CONSIDERATE AND TOLERANT OF OTHERS AND ESPECIALLY OF THOSE THAT MAY NOT HAVE, UH, UH, GROWN UP LIKE WE DID OR HAD THE SAME EXPERIENCES AS WE'VE HAD, UH, BECAUSE EVERYONE, UH, WANTS AND, AND IS LOOKING FOR AN OPPORTUNITY. THAT'S WHAT MAKES, UH, AMERICA WHAT IT IS. SO, UH, ASIDE FROM THAT, I WILL YIELD THE FLOOR. THAT'S ALL THAT I HAD, MR. OUTLAW. ALRIGHT, UM, I'LL TRY NOT TO DRAG THIS OUT TOO LONG, BUT I'D LIKE, I'D LIKE TO GET BACK AND LOOK AT THE PDD ITSELF. UM, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, APARTMENT COMPLEXES A SIDE, THERE ARE, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT, FOR INSTANCE, AND IT, ONE OF, ONE OF THE, UH, RESIDENTS ASKED THE QUESTION, UM, WERE WE TALKING ABOUT 11 DWELLING UNITS, BREAK ACRE? THAT'S WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT ALL 42 ACRES. OKAY? WHAT THEY'RE REALLY DOING IS CRAMMING 15 DWELLINGS PER UNIT OR PER ACRE INTO THE 32 ACRES. SO TO ME, IT'S A LITTLE MISLEADING AND, UH, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S ALL THEIR PROPERTY, UH, AND MAYBE THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT'S CALCULATED. BUT, UM, TO PUT THAT IN PERSPECTIVE, I DID SOME PROBABLY NOT HIGHLY ACCURATE RESEARCH THIS MORNING, BUT I WENT OUT TO GOOGLE EARTH AND I MEASURED THE, THE SHIRTS PORTION OF, UM, KENSINGTON RANCH. UH, AND YOU KNOW, WITH GOOGLE EARTH YOU CAN CALCULATE. SO I CAME UP AND I WISH I'D BROUGHT MY NOTES WITH ME. I, I CAME UP WITH A CERTAIN NUMBER OF ACRES AND I COUNTED THE NUMBER OF HOUSES. NOW THAT'S JUST IN THE SHIRTS PORTION, UH, AND DID THE DIVISION AND IT'S ABOUT 1.5 DWELLINGS PER ACRE. I WENT OVER AND I LOOKED AT, UH, THE UNIVERSAL CITY SUBDIVISION, UM, HERE AND DID THE SAME THING, AND IT COMES OUT TO AROUND TWO AND A HALF. OKAY? UH, AND THEN I WENT, LOOKED UP I LIVE UP IN SAVANNAH SQUARE, WHICH I THINK IS, WAS EITHER R SIX OR R SEVEN. AND AGAIN, ROUGHLY FIVE DWELLINGS PER ACRE. SO HERE'S WHAT BOTHERS ME THE MOST ABOUT THIS, AND IT'S NOTHING NEW. YOU, YOU, YOU GUYS HAVE HEARD IT BEFORE. THEY COME TO US AND THEY WANT A PDD, THEY GIVE US A CONCEPTUAL PLAN, OKAY? AND HERE'S WHAT IT, HERE'S WHAT YOUR MEMO SAYS. HOWEVER, PER THE PDD, THE PROPERTY CAN BE DEVELOPED IN A STANDARD SUBURBAN STYLE APARTMENT COMPLEX WITH A MAXIMUM OF 486 DWELLING UNITS. SO THE ONLY GOOD THING IS THEY CAP IT AT 11. SO THEY'RE SAYING THEY'RE NEVER GONNA HAVE MORE, BUT BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE ASKING US TO APPROVE, UH, AND, AND YOU KNOW, I SAY THIS EVERY TIME WE LOOK AT ONE OF THESE THINGS, YOU WANT ME TO WRITE THEM? YOU WANT, YOU WANT ME TO RECOMMEND CITY COUNCIL? GIVE THEM A BLANK CHECK. WE APPROVE THE PDD AND OTHER THAN THE CAP, OKAY. THEY CAN BASICALLY DO WHAT THEY WANT WHEN IT COMES TIME. AM I WRONG? Y YEAH. LET ME BE CLEAR. COMMISSIONER OUTLAW, UM, THE REASON WE ARE DOING A PDD HERE, AS OPPOSED TO HAVE THEM COME IN AND REQUEST STRAIGHT ZONING OF THE PROPERTY, AND IF THEY WENT STRAIGHT ZONING, IT'S 24 UNITS PER ACRE, RIGHT? SO A MUCH GREATER NUMBER OF UNITS, THE PDD WAS THE MECHANISM THAT STAFF HAD TO GUARANTEE WE WOULD NOT HAVE DEVELOPMENT ON AREA ONE. SO THE ONLY REAL REASON, AND, AND THAT THE APPLICANT'S TERRIBLY PLEASED WITH STAFF , GIVEN WHAT WE WENT THROUGH ON THIS EITHER YEAH. IS THE REASON TO DO THE PDD IS SOLELY TO PROHIBIT DEVELOPMENT ON AREA ONE, WHICH IS IN THE A PZ OF JBSA, RANDOLPH, THE, THE APPLICANT COULD HAVE WALKED IN AND SAID, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO GO STRAIGHT ZONING, I DON'T WANNA CHANGE THE DENSITY, I DON'T WANNA MESS WITH IT. FINE. GIMME THE NORMAL [03:10:01] DENSITY ON AREA TWO, AND THAT WOULD'VE BEEN 24 UNITS PER ACRE. AND STAFF SAID, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA GET THAT. I THINK IT'S TOO MUCH. I THINK IT'S, IT'S FAR TOO MUCH THE TIA AND, AND THE ANSWER WAS TO DROP IT. AND SO TO BE PERFECTLY BLUNT, AND, AND WE AGREED, STAFF TRIED TO BE REAL UPFRONT ABOUT IT, WHETHER YOU WANT TO CAP IT AT 11 UNITS PER ACRE, CALCULATED OVER THE 44 OR WHETHER YOU WANT TO COME IN AND DO IT OVER THE 32.28 ON 14, IT, IT'S 6 0 1 HALF DOZEN THE OTHER. NOW AGAIN, I'LL SAY THIS FOR FOLKS, THE COMMISSION CAN MAKE RECOMMEND APPROVAL, DENIAL, YOU CAN TABLE IT OR YOU CAN RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH CHANGES. SO TO ME, AGAIN, THE BIGGEST THING, AND I THINK LIKELY FOR THE APPLICANT IS NOT WHAT METHODOLOGY YOU USE OF HOW YOU GET THERE, BUT IT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO CAP THOSE NUMBER OF UNITS AT, RIGHT? AND, AND SO IT, IF, IF YOU, I DOUBT ANYBODY IS GONNA BE MUCH HAPPIER TO SAY, ALL RIGHT, WELL CALCULATE IT JUST OVER AREA TWO AND GIVE IT 14 UNITS, BREAK THE SAME NUMBER UNITS IT'S THE SAME THING. GOTCHA. SO, SO THAT WOULD BE, AGAIN, TO BE CLEAR, THE REASON WE DID A PDD HERE IS TO BE ABLE TO BRING THIS PROPERTY INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE, BUT WHAT, WHAT WE GET OUT OF THIS THEN IS, UH, THE WAY THE PDD IS STRUCTURED, UH, HE COULD GO ALL APARTMENTS IF HE WANTED TO, BUT HE CAN'T EXCEED THE 11 PER ACRE. THAT'S RIGHT. AND DAISY TRIED TO MAKE THAT VERY CLEAR IN THE STAFF REPORT, OKAY. AND VERY CLEAR IN THE PRESENTATION THAT WHILE THEIR PLAN IS THIS, THEY'VE GIVEN A CONCEPTUAL, WE KIND OF GIVE YOU A WORSE CASE SCENARIO, WHICH HE WALKS IN AND GOES, I'M GONNA DO STRAIGHT APARTMENTS, 4 86 UNITS. THAT'S WHAT HE CAN DO. THAT'S WITH THE INTENT OF TO STAFF TRY TO MAKE CLEAR. OKAY. UM, CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME, UM, SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED AND SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DO WE MEAN BY THOSE TERMS? SO SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED WOULD BE LIKE WHAT'S EXISTING IN THE KENSINGTON RANCH SUBDIVISION? EVERYBODY'S KIND OF SEPARATED. THE HOUSES ARE, YOU KNOW, APART SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED WOULD BE LIKE A DUPLEX OR A THREE PIECE TOWN HOME STUCK TOGETHER. ALRIGHT? SO THEN THE FARM MARSHAL ASKED THE QUESTION BECAUSE THEY'RE DOING A, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA GO WITH 50 FOOT SETBACKS ON ALL FOUR SIDES OF A SINGLE LOT. OKAY? SO HOW DO WE CONTROL THE BUILDING SEPARATION INSIDE THAT LOT? THE FIRE CODE AND THE BUILDING CODE? YEAH. YEAH. BUT YOU SEE, BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, I MEAN IF I MAY YOU CAN TELL ME IF I'M WRONG. IT IT, THE FIRE CODE LOOKS AT THE BUILDING TYPE AND REQUIRES THAT MOVING SEPARATION, BUT I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING. YEAH. WHICH IS, IF IT'S CONSIDERED ALL ONE LOT IN MULTIFAMILY, EVEN IF IT'S A SINGLE UNIT, THEN POTENTIALLY THEY COULD BRING THE BUILDINGS CLOSER TOGETHER THAN THE 20 FEET, WHICH IS WHAT WE TYPICALLY REQUIRE, RIGHT? ON SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED. BUT YOU ALSO HAVE THE HAMMER OF THE, UH, THE MATERIAL, UH, FIRE RATING REQUIREMENT, ET CETERA, THE PRODUCT TYPE. OKAY. HERE, HERE'S WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT, BRIAN. I, I DON'T HAVE A CONCERN OVER THE THREE STORY APARTMENTS. THOSE ARE REGULATED IN THE BUILDING CODE. AND NOW WE TALK ABOUT DISTANCE FROM PROPERTY LINES AND FIRE. HOWEVER, SINGLE FAMILY AND, AND DUPLEXES ARE REGULATED BY THE RESIDENTIAL CODE, WHICH HAS A SIDE YARD SETBACK OF FIVE FEET. AND YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT FIVE FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACKS. OKAY. UM, SO, SO IF I MAY, COMMISSIONER AGAIN, TO BE CLEAR, 'CAUSE I WANT FOLKS OUT THERE TO REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 'CAUSE WE'RE HAVING A VERY TECHNICAL DETAILED CONVERSATION THAT THE ZONING OF THIS IS A MULTI-FAMILY ZONING DISTRICT. AND AS WE UNDERSTAND IT, THE INTENT ON DEVELOPING THIS, WHAT THEY'VE LAID OUT IN THE ZONING IS IF EACH UNIT WILL NOT BE ON ITS OWN SEPARATE LOT, SO YOU WILL NOT HAVE A SIDE YARD SETBACK, YOU'LL HAVE A SEPARATION REQUIREMENT WHEN BUILDING IT. BUT I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT. OKAY, ON THOSE SINGLE UNIT BUILDINGS, YOU WOULD WANT THEM TO BE 20 FEET APART, NOT 10 FEET APART. I CLEARLY UNDERSTAND THAT. RIGHT? OKAY. IT DIDN'T, WE DO THIS IN CROSS LINE. SO, SO THIS IS A DIFFERENT D AND, AND THEN WE APPROVED ALL THAT BECAUSE [03:15:01] IF I MAY, WHAT WE DID IN CROSS RUN WAS A GARDEN HOME PRODUCT. AND SO IN FACT IT WAS A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED PRODUCT. AND SO EACH UNIT WAS ON ITS OWN SEPARATE LOT AND YOU COULD BUY IT FEE SIMPLE. WHAT WE ARE SEEING NOW, AND THE COMMISSIONER OUTLAW REFERENCES IS THEY'RE TECHNICALLY MULTIFAMILY. THEY'RE GENERALLY ON ONE LOT AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S EITHER ALL FOR RENTAL OR IT'S MAYBE A CONDO REGIME, BUT IT'S NOT A FEE SIMPLE BECAUSE AGAIN, TO DO A FEE SIMPLE, YOU GOTTA HAVE CITY STREETS COMING THROUGH, IT KICKS IN A WHOLE DIFFERENT SET OF REQUIREMENTS. OKAY? AND THEN THE, UH, SECONDARY ACCESS FOR EMERGENCY PURPOSES OFF BARINGER WAY. I, I THINK YOU'VE PROBABLY ANSWERED THAT QUESTION FOR ME. UM, WE, THAT STUB OUT STREET IS THERE, WE DON'T NEED UNIVERSAL CITIES OKAY. OR ANYBODY'S APPROVAL FOR HIM TO CONNECT TO THAT. BUT LET ME, LET ME OFFER THIS UP. WE ARE NOT UNIVERSAL CITY THOUGH. I, WHAT UNIVERSAL CITY HAS TO ALLOW CAN PRECLUDE, I, I CAN'T TELL YOU. BUT AGAIN, WHAT I, WHAT I WILL SAY IS THAT IF THEY CAN'T GET ACCESS FROM THERE ON UNIVERSAL CITY AND THEY ONLY HAVE ONE POINT OF ACCESS, I, I HIGHLY DOUBT THAT THE FIRE MARSHAL WOULD PERMIT THIS PROJECT TO BE APPROVED AT THAT SITE DEVELOPMENT PROJECT PRO STAGE. AND THE APPLICANT UNDERSTANDS THAT. SO LET ME BE CLEAR AGAIN, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE GETS ZONING DOESN'T GUARANTEE THAT THEY CAN MEET EVERY DEVELOPMENT REGULATION WE HAVE AND ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO BUILD THEIR PROJECT. AND WE HAVE CERTAINLY SEEN PROJECTS GET STUCK BECAUSE THEY'VE MISUNDERSTOOD AND MISINTERPRETED, DIDN'T REALIZE A REQUIREMENT AND GOT HUNG UP BECAUSE WHILE THEY GOT ZONING, IT CAN'T MEET THE DEVELOPMENT REGS WE HAVE. OKAY. AND, AND THE LAST THING I UM, UM, I WANT TO ASK ABOUT IS, UM, YOU HAD THAT THE, I GUESS GOOGLE MAP OR WHATEVER, IF, IF, BECAUSE WHAT, WHAT I'M CURIOUS ABOUT NO, IT WAS THE MAP THAT BRIAN HAD UP. UM, WELL YES, THAT ONE. SO IF YOU ZOOM OUT A LITTLE BIT FOR ME, I, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT OUR CITY LIMITS. AND SO YOU, YOU CAN SEE WHAT'S ALREADY BUILT IN A PZ TWO BETWEEN SELMA AND UC. UM, SO YOU SEE THAT THAT AREA THAT'S STILL THERE IS, IS THAT OURS OR IS IT SOMEBODY ELSE'S? IT'S THIS AREA RIGHT HERE, SIR. WELL, I MEAN, IT, IT, IT IT'S EITHER OUR ETJ OR IT'S SOMEBODY ELSE'S. IT'S UC. I, YEAH, IT'S UC. SO ONCE, ONCE AGAIN WE, YOU KNOW, THE, ONE OF THE BIG BENEFITS, I ECHO YOUR COMMENTS WHEN THERE'S A FIRE HERE. NO, BILL, LUCK GETTING, YOU SEE GETTING A FIRETRUCK HERE, IT'S GONNA BE OUR FOCUS. NO. 'CAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT SHIRTS ARE GONNA GO ANYWAY. I MEAN THAT'S JUST THE WAY FIRES FIRE GUYS ARE LIKE THAT. YEP. NO, MY QUESTION WAS ABOUT ALL OUR EFFORTS AND, AND THE ONE BIG BENEFIT I SEE FROM THIS PDD IS TRYING TO PROTECT A PZ, BUT YOU, AS I SAID EARLIER, APPARENTLY SELMA AND UC DON'T CARE. SO IF THE REST OF THAT IS NOT OURS AND WE CAN'T CONTROL IT, WHY WOULD I NOT EXPECT TO SEE THAT WHOLE THING FILLED WITH HOMES? SO WHY ARE WE BOTHERING WITH THAT 12 ACRES? BECAUSE THE CITY OF HERTZ'S CORE VALUES ARE, DO THE RIGHT THING. AND IF WE FEEL THAT THE RIGHT THING TO DO IS AS PER THE J LS, WHICH WE WERE PART OF DEVELOPMENT OF, AND AS WE UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT OF JBSA RANDOLPH AND OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR COUNTRY AND OUR WAY OF LIFE STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE IS THE RIGHT THING FOR US TO DO, IS TO TRY TO BRING THIS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE JWS, WHETHER SOMEBODY ELSE DOES THE RIGHT THING OR NOT. BECAUSE IF WE'RE NOT WILLING TO STEP UP AND DO THE RIGHT THING, WHY SHOULD THEY? BUT I, I I WILL TELL YOU THAT WE WILL LIKELY REMIND THOSE COMMUNITIES THEY NEED TO DO THE RIGHT THING AS WELL. I THINK THEY CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT. I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHAT HAPPENED IN THOSE PARTICULAR CIRCUMSTANCES, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THE COUNTY, THE CITY ALL KEENLY AWARE OF PROTECTING JBSA, AND I WILL ON THIS POINT GIVE CREDIT TO THE STATE LEGISLATURE BECAUSE WHEN THEY JUST CHANGED THE LAW TO ESSENTIALLY ALLOW PEOPLE TO OPT OUT OF CITY'S E TJS [03:20:01] ON A WHIM, THEY DID PUT IN A PROVISION THAT IF YOU WERE IN, WITHIN FIVE MILES OF A BASE THAT PROVIDES ACTIVE FLIGHT CHAINING, IE RANDOLPH, THAT DOESN'T APPLY TO YOU TO GIVE US THE ABILITY TO BETTER REGULATE. OKAY? BUT THERE ARE, THERE ARE HOUSES IN UC AND SELMA WHERE THE PAINT HASN'T DRIED YET. SO IT'S OBVIOUS TO ME THEY DON'T CARE. AND IF CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR WATCHED THIS VIDEO, I WOULD STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT THEY CONTACT OUR FRIENDS IN SELMA AND, AND UNIVERSAL CITY TO GET THEM ON THE, ON THE TEAM TO STOP DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA BECAUSE IT'S OBVIOUS TO ME THEY DON'T CARE. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING? UH, JUST ONE LAST THING. GO AHEAD. UH, WILL UH, SHORT TERM RENTALS BE ALLOWED IN THIS COMMUNITY? YEAH, NOW YOU GUYS ARE GONNA LOVE ME AFTER THIS AND I'M GONNA HAVE TO GO OUTSIDE AND TALK TO HIM. WHERE, WHERE A POLICE OFFICER, I'M GONNA NEED HIM OUT THERE WITH ME. MAYBE AFTER THIS ANSWER GOES OVER . YEAH, I KNOW. OH, HE IS SITTING IN THE CORNER. HE IS GONNA HAVE, YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN, BRIAN. NO. SO AGAIN, TO BE CLEAR, WE'RE SHORT TERM RENTALS. THE CITY OF CS DOES NOT REGULATE SHORT TERM RENTALS. SO WE HAVE HAD THIS RUN TO PLAN AND ZONING PENSION. WE'VE HAD THIS RUN TO CITY COUNCIL. SO WE DO NOT REGULATE AIRBNBS. AND, AND WE DON'T HAVE A TON OF THOSE. WE HAVE SOME OF THOSE, BUT, BUT AGAIN, AS FOLKS PROBABLY KNOW, WHAT WE HAVE ARE ISSUES WITH PIT PADS, RIGHT? AND SO AGAIN, IT'S FOLKS WHO ARE, WHO ARE IN TRAINING AT JBSA, THEY, THEY SHARE A HOUSE TOGETHER, THEY DON'T KNOW EACH OTHER GOING IN. AND, AND WE'VE TAKEN THAT, THE DECISION HAS BEEN MADE NOT TO REGULATE THOSE. SO WE DO NOT REGULATE SHORT TERM RENTALS. LIKE, LIKE SOME COMMUNITIES HAVE STEPPED IN. AGAIN, I WOULD SAY THIS GENERALLY THE SHORT TERM RENTAL AS AN AIRBNB ISN'T OUR ISSUE. WHERE WE'VE HAD COMPLAINTS, IT, IT TENDS TO BE THE PIT PADS. AND WHEN WE KIND OF DELVED INTO IT, NOT TO SPEAK FOR PNZ AND COUNCIL, I THINK WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT THE PROBLEMS THAT SOME PEOPLE SEE THERE AREN'T REALLY THAT DIFFERENT THAN THEIR NEIGHBOR OR A COUPLE HOUSES DOWN THAT OWNS AND LIVES IN THE HOUSE. SO WE DON'T REGULATE SHORT TERM RENTALS. AND THAT'S A POLICY DECISION. THERE'S A PIT PAD ON BLUE MOON GATE. IF YOU, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT GOOGLE MAPS ON BLUE MOON GATE IS A PIT PAD. SO THEY'RE ALREADY THERE. SO SORRY, I'LL, I'LL, WE SHOULDN'T HAVE DIALED, BUT I'LL GIVE YOU THIS. SO A PIT PAD IS ESSENTIALLY, UM, A SHORT TERM RENTAL AND GENERALLY THEY ARE FOR MULTIPLE PEOPLE IN THE MILITARY WHO ARE DOING TRAINING AT RANDOLPH FLIGHT INSTRUCTOR TRAINING. AND SO AGAIN, IT IS ESSENTIALLY YOU GET BEEN ONS SIZE OF THE HOUSE, 3, 4, 5, PEOPLE DON'T KNOW EACH OTHER, ARE EACH RENTING A ROOM, SHARING THE COMMON AREA OF THE HOUSE, THE KITCHEN, THE LIVING ROOM FOR, YOU KNOW, SIX TO NINE MONTHS, WHATEVER THEIR TIME IN TRAINING AT RANDOLPH IS, IS WHAT A PIT PAD IS. THAT'S WHAT WE TEND TO HAVE AS COMMISSIONER BRO POINTED OUT. AND THEY'RE THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. AND, AND AM I CORRECT THAT THE STAFF HAD NO CONCERN WITH THE DENSITY? SO, SO LET ME OFFER THIS UP, AND THIS IS SORT OF IN A NUTSHELL AGAIN FROM THE CITY STAFF POLICY IN TERMS OF OUR CURRENT COMP COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WE WANT A DIVERSITY OF HOUSING TYPES FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS. WE, WE OFTEN, AND, AND AGAIN, WHAT GENERALLY WE GET IS WHAT WE HAVE HERE, WHICH IS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS DON'T WANT APARTMENTS NEXT TO 'EM. IF WE DIDN'T PUT APARTMENTS NEAR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, WE, WE WOULDN'T HAVE VERY MANY APARTMENTS BECAUSE WE ALSO WOULD NOT WANT THEM TO PUT GO IN THE INDUSTRIAL AREA WHERE THE INDUSTRIAL BUSINESSES DON'T WANT PEOPLE LIVING THERE WHERE THEY'VE GOT TRUCK TRAFFIC AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND, AND SO WHAT WE DO IS WE LOOK AT THE AREAS. SO AGAIN, JUST AS A REMINDER, AND, AND IF THERE ARE ANYONE IN RESIDENCE OF CROSS MINE OR HOMESTEAD OUT THERE, WHEN WE CAME IN AND DID THE INITIAL ZONING OF CROSS MINE, WE INCLUDED DESIGNATIONS FOR MULTIFAMILY SO THAT THEY COULD BE INTEGRATED IN THE DEVELOPMENT AS SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS. REMEMBER WHEN HOMESTEAD CAME IN FOR ZONING, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, IT'S A LITTLE CLOSER TO THE FRONTAGE, BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY ZONING WAS MADE TO ALLOW MULTIFAMILY NEXT TO THE SINGLE FAMILY. SO WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT WE DON'T VIEW IT AS INHERENTLY PROBLEMATIC. NOW THAT BEING SAID, SOME OF THE FACTORS THAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE TALKED ABOUT, WHAT'S THE [03:25:01] TRAFFIC SITUATION? WHAT WAS THE ZONING THAT WAS IN PLACE? IS THERE A PROBLEM, IF YOU WILL, WITH THE ZONING BEING IN PLACE IS A FACTOR. AND AT TIMES WE HAVE SHOWN DEFERENCE TO THE RESIDENTS BASED ON SOME OF THOSE THINGS AND NOT SUPPORTED IT. AND, AND SO, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT TRYING TO DANCE, BUT WHAT I WILL SAY IS WE LOOK AT EVERYTHING A BIG FACTOR IN THIS CASE, WHY WE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS AT THE DENSITY IS WHAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED, WHICH IS TO PREVENT DEVELOPMENT IN THE APZ TWO. AND SO IF THAT WEREN'T A FACTOR HERE, WOULD THIS BE OUR RECOMMENDATION? PROBABLY NOT QUITE AT THIS DENSITY, BUT, BUT I WANNA BE CLEAR IT, THERE ISN'T A FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE OR AN INFRASTRUCTURE PERSPECTIVE WITH 486 UNITS ON THIS PROPERTY. IT, IT'S, IT'S, RIGHT, IT, IT, I'M, I'M TRYING TO BE CLEAR WHAT I'M SAYING. I UNDERSTAND THE RESIDENTS DON'T WANT IT, BUT IT'S NOT PROBLEMATIC IN TERMS OF ALL THE THINGS WE LOOK AT WITH REGARD TO THAT. AGAIN, WHEN THOSE RESIDENTS ARE CROSS BY AND SEE THE MULTIFAMILY GOING UP, THAT LIKELY THEY DIDN'T KNOW WAS ALREADY ZONED, WE'RE GONNA BE INUNDATED WITH THOSE CALLS AND EMAILS, THE SAME SORTS OF THING AND CONCERNS. ANYBODY ELSE? ALRIGHT, UH, OUR ACTION TONIGHT IS TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL ON THIS REQUEST. AND, UH, AS USUAL, WE HAVE THREE OPTIONS. WE CAN RECOMMEND APPROVAL, WE CAN RECOMMEND DENIAL, OR WE CAN RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS. AND AS MR. JAMES POINTED OUT EARLIER, UM, TO MOVE, UH, IN A, IT, IT AFFIRMATIVE ACTION REQUIRES FOUR AFFIRMATIVE VOTES OUT OF THE FIVE THAT WE HAVE. SO WITH THAT SAID, UH, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR ONE OF THOSE THREE OPTIONS. UM, I RECOMMEND DENIAL OF PLZC 2 0 2 4 0 0 4. ALRIGHT. NOW IT'S NOT A DONE DEAL YET, OKAY? SO DON'T, DON'T, YEAH. ALRIGHT, SO I HAVE A, A, A MOTION TO RECOMMEND DENIAL. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND. ALRIGHT, THAT WAS FROM COMMISSIONER BROWN, CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMISSIONERS UNDERSTAND THAT A YES VOTE ON THIS MOTION WOULD BE, WOULD RECOMMEND DENIAL TO CITY COUNCIL. SO IF NOBODY HAS ANYTHING ELSE, IF YOU WOULD GO AHEAD AND RECORD YOUR VOTES. OKAY. I HAVE, UH, I'M SEEING SIX VOTES. YOU PUBLISH THAT WE HAVE FIVE IN FAVOR. ONE OPPOSED? SO THIS MEASURE WILL GO TO CITY COUNCIL WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL NOW. ALRIGHT, APPRECIATE THAT. BUT IT'S NOT OVER. OKAY. ALL WE DID WAS RECOMMEND. SO, UM, DO WE, DO WE HAPPEN TO KNOW WHEN THIS WILL HIT COUNSEL? THE FIRST HEARING'S GONNA BE ON APRIL 2ND. APRIL 2ND AT, AT, UH, 6:00 PM RIGHT HERE. OKAY. SO AGAIN, UM, IT, IT'S REALLY COUNCIL IS THE DECISION MAKERS AND, UM, SO YOU WANT TO, YOU GOT ONE MORE CHANCE? OKAY. SO IF, IF, IF YOU WOULD MR. MR. JAMES IS GOING OUT IN, IN THE LOBBY. UH, I THINK, UM, FIVE MINUTES. 'CAUSE WE, WE REALLY NEED TO MOVE ON HERE. SO LET'S TAKE FIVE AND ALLOW THE FOLKS THAT DON'T WANT TO STAY, UM, TO, UM, TO LEAVE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IT IS, UH, 9:36 PM AND WE'LL UH, CALL THE MEETING BACK TO ORDER WE'RE AT. UH, ITEM FIVE B IS UH, P-L-Z-P-L-Z-C 20 23 0 2 83. HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING, [03:30:01] CONSIDER AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON A REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 7.7 ACRES OF LAND, A PORTION OF BEXAR COUNTY PROPERTY ID NUMBER 3 3 9 2 8 6 TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT R ONE, ALSO KNOWN AS 82 15 TRAINER HILL ROAD, CITY OF CHURCH, BEXAR COUNTY, TEXAS. READ FAST. OKAY, GOOD EVENING. PLZC 2 2 3 0 2 83. ZONE CHANGE ON 7.7 ACRES OF LAND TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT R ONE HALL'S COURT AT HOLLY'S COVE. OSCAR, CAN WE GET THE PRESENTATION? DAISY MARQUEZ PLANNER, HERE'S THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. IT IS AT THE REAR OF THE EXISTING HALLEY'S CO SUBDIVISION HERE IS 1518. SO THE EXISTING, THERE IS NO ZONING DISTRICT ASSIGNED TO THIS BECAUSE IT WAS UNDER A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, ONE OF THOSE DELAYED ANNEXATIONS. SO THEY ACTUALLY, UM, PULLED A RESOLUTION TO REQUEST TO BE ANNEXED INTO THE CITY. SO TO THE NORTH OF THE PROPERTY. HERE IT IS, UM, OUTLINED IN GREEN. IT IS THE PDD, IT IS PART OF THIS HALLE COVES PDD TO THE SOUTH. IT IS ALSO THE PD DD PART OF HALLEY'S COVE TO THE EAST IS THE REST OF THE PROPERTY UNDER THE DELAYED ANNEXATION AGREEMENT. AND THEN TO THE WEST IS THE HALLEY'S CO UM, SUBDIVISION. SO ON FEBRUARY 21ST, A TOTAL 23 PUBLIC HEARING RESPONSES WERE SENT OUT TO EVERYONE WITHIN THE 200 FOOT BUFFER. WE RECEIVED NINE IN OPPOSITION, ZERO IN FAVOR AND ZERO NEUTRAL. AND WAS SIGNED WAS POSTED ON THE PROPERTY HERE WHERE THE PROPERTY TOUCHES HALLE FOX. SO PER UDC SECTION 2154, A ZONE CHANGE IS REQUIRED TO ESTABLISH THE USE OF LAND AND DEVELOPMENT ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROPOSED ZONING CLASSIFICATION FOR THE PURPOSE OF ESTABLISHING AND MAINTAINING SOUND STABLE AND DESIRABLE DEVELOPMENT. THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT RR ONE PER THE LETTER OF INTENT IS BEING REQUESTED TO DEVELOP APPROXIMATELY 19 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. AND IF THE ZONE CHANGE IS APPROVED, THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SITE PLAN PROCESS IN CONFORMANCE WITH UDC SECTION 21 9 12 AND WILL HAVE TO MEET ALL CITY OF SHIRTS UDC REQUIREMENTS AS LISTED IN ARTICLE NINE. SO AGAIN, WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE UC SECTION 2154 D CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL WHEN IT COMES TO ZONE CHANGES. SO WHETHER THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE OR ZONING MAP AMENDMENT IMPLEMENTS THE POLICIES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN, INCLUDING THE LAND USE CLASSIFICATION OF THE PROPERTY ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. SO THE COMP PLAN DESIGNATES THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AS A STATE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE INTENT OF A STATE NEIGHBORHOOD IS TO ADDRESS RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS WITHIN THE SOUTHERN CHURCH WITH LARGE LOTS AND INCENTIVIZING QUALITY, OPEN SPACE AND NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN. THE PROPOSED R ONE IS DEFINED AS SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED RESIDENTIAL DWELLINGS WITH A MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF 9,600 SQUARE FEET, EXCUSE ME. TOGETHER WITH SCHOOLS, CHURCHES AND PARKS NECESSARY TO CREATE BASIC NEIGHBORHOOD UNITS. THE ZONE CHANGE TO R WIND WOULD MEET THAT INTENT OF THE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS AND THE COMP PLAN BY PROVIDING MORE RESIDENTIAL DWELLINGS OF A SIMILAR DENSITY TO THE HALLS COVE SUBDIVISION DEVELOPMENT AND THE ADJACENT AGRICULTURAL LAND. TWO, WHETHER THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE OR ZONING MAP AMENDMENT PROMOTES THE HEALTH, SAFETY OR GENERAL WELFARE OF THE CITY AND THE SAFE, ORDERLY, EFFICIENT, HEALTHFUL DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY. AND AS PART OF PROMOTING HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE, THE CITY SHOULD ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING USES, UTILIZING STANDARDS AND TRANSITIONAL USES TO ALLEVIATE NEGATIVE IMPACTS. THE CHOSEN SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT R ONE DIMENSIONAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AS STATED IN SECTION 2157 OF THE UDC ARE COMPATIBLE WITH EXISTING HALLEY'S CUB SUBDIVISION. AND HERE AT THE BOTTOM YOU CAN SEE UM, THAT TABLE OF THE DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR R ONE AND THREE. WHETHER THE USE IS PERMITTED BY THE PROPOSED CHANGE IN ZONING IN DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION AND THE STANDARDS APPLICABLE TO SUCH USES WILL BE APPROPRIATE IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA OF THE LAND TO BE RECLASSIFIED. THE PROPOSED R ONE IS APPROPRIATE IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA OF THE LAND TO BE RECLASSIFIED BECAUSE TO THE WEST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, THE HALLEY'S COVE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT IS BUILT ON THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT R ONE ZONING DISTRICT. SO WHETHER THE PROPOSED CHANGES IN ACCORDANCE WITH ANY EXISTING OR PROPOSED PLANS FOR PROVIDING PUBLIC SCHOOL STREETS, WATER SUPPLY, SANITARY SEWERS, OR OTHER PUBLIC SERVICES AND UTILITIES TO THE AREA, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS APPROXIMATELY 117 FEET FROM THE INTERSECTION OF HALLEY'S PATH AND HALLEY'S FOX AND WILL CONSTRUCT A ROAD TO SERVE THEIR DEVELOPMENT. AND ADDITIONALLY, THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION IN THE CITY OF SHES HAVE WORKED TOGETHER TO PROVIDE FUNDING FOR THE RECONSTRUCTION OF FM 1518, WHICH THE DEVELOPMENT WILL HAVE ACCESS TO FROM THE EXISTING HALLE CO SUBDIVISION AND AFTER CONSTRUCTION FM 1518 WILL HAVE TWO LANES IN EACH DIRECTION PLUS A CENTER MEDIAN. ADDITIONALLY, THERE WILL BE A MEDIAN OPENING LINED UP WITH THE HALL'S CO SUBDIVISION ENTRANCE AT HALLS BROOK AND THAT'S THE SOUTHERN ENTRANCE TO HALL'S COVE. AND A PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE WAS MAILED TO THE SHES OF BOLER UNIVERSAL [03:35:01] CITY INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT TO NOTIFY THEM OF THE POTENTIAL EDITION OF 19 RESIDENTIAL HOMES. THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT HAS AVAILABLE WATER AND SEWER, BUT THE DEVELOPER WILL NEED TO RECONCILE THE WATER SERVICE AREAS DURING PLOTTING SO THAT EITHER THE CITY OF SHEZ AND S-S-L-G-C DUAL SERVICE AREA SERVICE THE PROPERTY OR GREEN VALLEY SPECIAL UTILITY DISTRICT. AND AT THE DECEMBER 5TH, 2023 CITY COUNCIL MEETING RESOLUTION 23 R 1 28 WAS APPROVED. THE APPROVED RESOLUTION AUTHORIZED IN AGREEMENT TO DEDICATE RIGHT OF WAY AN EXISTING PARK LINE FOR SECONDARY ACCESS IN EXCHANGE FOR PUBLIC PARK IMPROVEMENTS. A 55 GREEN BELT, 55 FOOT GREEN BELT WILL BE GIVEN TO THE CITY OF INSUREDS DURING THE PLATTING PROCESS TO THE EAST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. THIS IS THAT 55 FOOT GREEN BELT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND THE CITY OF SHIRTS IS PROPOSING A TRAIL EXPANSION WITHIN THAT BUFFER. THE DEVELOPER AGREED TO GIVE THE CITY OF SHIRTS $30,000 THAT WILL BE USED FOR A SMALL PLAY SCAPE TO BE INSTALLED BY THE CITY OF SHIRTS ON THE NORTHERN PARKLAND PROPERTY. SO THIS PARKLAND PROPERTY UP HERE, UM, WILL BE GETTING THAT SMALL PLAY SCAPE WHETHER THERE HAVE BEEN ENVIRONMENTAL AND OR ECONOMICAL CHANGES WHICH WARRANT THE REQUESTED CHANGE. NO, THERE HAVE BEEN NO ENVIRONMENTAL OR ECONOMICAL CHANGES THAT WARRANT THE REQUESTED ZONE CHANGE. SIX. WHERE THERE IS AN ERROR IN THE ORIGINAL ZONING OF THE PROPERTY FOR WHICH THE CHANGES REQUESTED. THERE WAS NO ORIGINAL ERROR IN THE ORIGINAL ZONING FOR WHICH THE CHANGES REQUESTED BECAUSE THERE WAS NO EXISTING ZONING AS THE PROPERTY IS IN THE EXTRA TERRITORY OR JURISDICTION AND UNDER A DELAYED ANNEXATION AGREEMENT. AND WHETHER ALL THE APPLICANT'S BACK TESTS OWED TO THE CITY HAVE BEEN PAID IN FULL, NO APPLICATION WILL RECEIVE FINAL APPROVAL UNTIL ALL BACK TAXES ARE PAID IN FULL. THIS DOES NOT IMPACT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL AND THEN WHETHER OTHER CRITERIA ARE MET, WHICH AT THE DISCRETION OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IN THE CITY COUNCIL ARE DEEMED RELEVANT AND IMPORTANT IN THE CONSIDERATION OF THE AMENDMENT. STAFF HAS ENSURE ALL UDC REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN MET FOR THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE AND AT THIS TIME HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION OR CITY COUNCIL. AND GIVEN THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AND COMPATIBILITY WITH THE SURROUNDING LAND USES AND THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN, LAND USE DESIGNATIONS, STEM RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF P LZ C 2 2 3 0 2 83. COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. THAT THE APPLICANT HERE? I NO. OKAY, SO THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, UM, JUST LIKE THE ONE WE JUST WENT THROUGH. IT IS, UH, 9 44 AND I WILL GET MY PEN TO WORK. I'LL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL? PLEASE COME FORWARD. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. KEITH MORRIS, 7 0 0 4 HALEY PAST CHURCH I STRONGLY OPPOSE THIS INITIATIVE. UM, ONE BEING THAT YOU ARE YOU GUYS LIVE IN CHURCH JUST LIKE WE DO. THIS PLACE IS BEGINNING TO BE JAM PACKED WITH PERSONNEL. WE TALK ABOUT EXPANSION FOR 1518. THAT'S GONNA BE COMING IN WHAT, 2028. I MEAN THE TRAFFIC, THE PERSONNEL IS IS JUST RIDICULOUS. ALSO, WHEN ME AND MY FAMILY DECIDED TO MOVE IN THAT PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DREW US TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THE FACT THAT WE WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE SOME SPACE AGAIN, THE PEOPLE IN SHIRTS ARE PACKED IN HERE LIKE SARDINES AND WE HAD TO, HAD TO PAY A PREMIUM PRICE FOR THAT PREMIUM LOT BECAUSE IT WAS OUR UNDERSTANDING AS DIRECTED TO US BY THE BUILDER THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE NO MORE CONSTRUCTION TAKING PLACE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. SO NOW THE BUILDERS TOOK OUR MONEY AND NOW THEY'RE SAYING, HEY, WE WANT TO GET MORE MONEY, SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND TRY TO CONVINCE THE CITY OF SHIRTS TO HELP US SHIRK ALL OF THESE TENANTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY LIVING IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S JUST UNFAIR. THANK YOU. I'LL, UH, TRY TO BE BRIEF. UH, DARRYL ROBINSON. 6 9 9 8 HALEY PATH. UM, I BELIEVE MY NEIGHBOR COVERED IT PRETTY WELL. HE LIVES RIGHT NEXT TO ME. UM, WHEN WE BOUGHT OUR HOUSE, UH, THE BUILDER PROMISED THAT THERE WOULD BE NOBODY BEHIND US. THAT'S WHY MY WIFE WANTED IT SO BAD 'CAUSE THE GREEN BELT WAS THERE. NOW THAT PLAN SHOWS THAT THE GREEN BELT'S GONNA BE MOVED 19 HOUSES, YOU KNOW, NOT 19 HOUSES DEEP, BUT BEYOND WHERE IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE FIRST PLACE. UM, WE'VE WITNESSED THE FARMER HAVING PROBLEMS WITH OUR BUILDER BECAUSE THEY CUT HIS FENCE DOWN AND HE PUT A BARBED WIRE FENCE LIKE LITERALLY ON TOP OF OUR REAR FENCE, UH, SAYING THAT HE STILL OWNED THE PROPERTY. SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, UH, HOW THE PLAN IS IS BEING, UM, PROPOSED, BUT WE'RE AGAINST IT AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. [03:40:04] HI, LESLIE PRATT. 6 9 8, 6 HALLE PATH. I DEFINITELY OPPOSE OF THIS. LIKE MY OTHER NEIGHBORS MENTIONED. I PICKED HALLEY'S COVE BACK IN 2019 BECAUSE IT WAS A SMALL COMMUNITY AND YES, THE BUILDER DID STATE NO ONE WAS BUILDING BEHIND OUR HOMES. UNDERSTOOD THAT PEOPLE DO SELL LAND. GOT THAT, BUT I DO BELIEVE IT IS THE BUILDER WHO STATED THAT THEY ARE NOT BUILDING BACK THERE. THEY ARE GOING TO BUILD BACK THERE. OF COURSE, NO ONE HAS GIVEN ME THE YES IT'S HIGHLAND OR GUILLEN HOMES, BUT THE WORD ON THE STREET IT IS, IT IS. SO IF HIGHLAND IS, ARE THEY PAYING BACK THE MONEY THAT THEY SAID THAT THEY WEREN'T GOING TO BUILD? OBVIOUSLY THEY MUST HAVE KNOWN THAT IT WAS GOING TO BUILD AND I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING THAT WAS IN HER, HER BRIEF, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT THAT ONE SLIDE WHERE THE PARKS WERE GOING TO BE. 'CAUSE THE OTHER EXCITING THING, OR ONE THING THAT I I THE REASON WHY I WANTED TO MOVE TO HALLEY'S COVE 'CAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE TWO PARKS PUT IN HALLEY'S COVE OWNED BY THE CITY OF SHIRTS AND A WALKING PATH. AND EVEN WHEN I MOVED IN, I WAS ACTUALLY TALKING TO THE PARKS AND REC, UM, MR. MAHONEY, I DO BELIEVE HIS NAME IS GOING BACK AND FORTH. HEY, WHEN IS THAT PARK GONNA COME IN? ARE THEY GONNA MOW THE LAWN? JUST TRYING TO GET SOME INFORMATION BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A POOL THERE AGAIN, THAT'S WHY I MOVED THERE, THERE ISN'T ANY WALKING PASS. WE DO HAVE SIDEWALKS, BUT IT WOULD KEEP OUR HOA FEES DOWN, RIGHT? THE BIGGER MORE HOMES YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MORE POOLS PASS. SO AGAIN, THAT'S WHY I MOVED DOWN, UM, TO HALLIE'S COVE. SO JUST A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND UNDERSTANDING WHERE ARE THOSE PARKS? UH, $30,000 IS NOT GONNA COVER A LOT FOR A PARK AND WE'VE BEEN WAITING SINCE 2019. IT WOULD'VE BEEN GREAT IF WE COULD HAVE THAT IN THERE NOW, BUT NOW ARE WE EVEN GONNA GET A PARK AND A BUFFER ZONE? IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE'RE GONNA HAVE A BUFFER ZONE AT ALL. IT'S GONNA BE FENCE ON FENCE IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. AND I'M NOT SURE IF WE CAN LOOK AT THAT SLIDE, BUT THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. HELLO, JONATHAN CRUZ. UH, 6 9 9 2 HALLE PATH. UH, THE PREVIOUS TWO SPEAKERS ARE ACTUALLY MY NEIGHBORS. UH, WE MOVED INTO HALEY'S COVE IN 2020, UH, AND WE VERY MUCH SO LUCKED OUT WITH OUR, OUR NEIGHBORS. UH, BUT WE WERE ALSO TOLD THAT THERE WOULD BE A GREEN BELT BEHIND US AND WE, WE ALSO PAID A PREMIUM. UH, AND NOW IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE CASE. UH, AND I'M PRETTY DISAPPOINTED THAT THE, THE APPLICANT'S NOT HERE TO EVEN SHOW US WHAT THE PLAN IS. SO I ALSO CAME HERE WITH THE HOPES OF GETTING MORE INFORMATION ON THAT AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S JUST THE SAME INFORMATION THAT WE GOT IN THE LETTER. SO I STRONGLY DENY, UH, OR HOPE THAT YOU GUYS, UH, DENY THIS REQUEST. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME'S BEN PADILLA. I LIVE AT 6 9 7 4 HALLE PASS, ALSO NEIGHBORS HERE WITH, UH, A FEW THAT SPOKE BEFORE ME. UH, I COME HERE SIMILAR TO SOME OF YOU RETIRED AIR FORCE. I DID, UH, 30 YEARS RETIRED AND UH, MOVED AROUND A LOT AND RELOCATED HERE TO SHIRTZ IN 2020. UH, FOUND A NICE HOME THERE IN UH, HALLIE'S COVE IN, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS WHEN YOU'RE GETTING READY TO RETIRE OR TRANSITION OUT OF THE MILITARY, YOU GET A LOT OF, YOU HEAR A LOT OF THINGS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, NAILING THE TRANSITION. YOU KNOW, GOING FROM A MILITARY TO CIVILIAN, YOU GOTTA FIND THE RIGHT COMMUNITY TO LIVE IN THE RIGHT, TRY TO FIND THE PERFECT HOUSE SOME, SOMEWHERE WHERE IT HAS A GOOD SCHOOLS. AND UH, I THINK I NAILED IT. I FOUND A, A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE IN SHIRTS. IT'S GREAT SCHOOLS. I HAVE, UH, TWO KIDS THAT GO TO THE SCHOOLS AND SHIRTS AND UH, THE HOUSE THAT I HAVE THERE, IT, UH, HALLS CO DAMN NEAR PERFECT. YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU PICK CERTAIN THINGS YOU WANT IN THE HOUSE AND ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE MAIN PRIORITIES FOR ME WAS NOT HAVING ANYBODY BEHIND ME. AND JUST LIKE THE PEOPLE SAID, WHEN, WHEN I WENT THERE TO VISIT THE BUILDER, WE WERE TOLD THAT THAT WAS A GREEN SPACE. THERE'S GONNA BE NO DEVELOPMENT BACK THERE. YOU GOTTA PAY A PREMIUM IF YOU WANT TO BE BACK THERE. BUT THE PREMIUM IS BECAUSE IT WAS PRIVATE PROPERTY AND THEY WEREN'T GONNA BUILD ANYTHING. AND I DID SOME RESEARCH, I LOOKED AND SAW THAT THERE'S A, A FLOOD ZONE THERE AND UH, THE FLOOD ZONE IS A LITTLE BIT FARTHER THAN I EXPECTED. AND A FEW TIMES I WOULD GO ON THERE HOPING MAYBE THAT FLOOD ZONE WOULD EXPAND, BUT IT DIDN'T. BUT, UH, BUT TO, UH, LIKE I SAID, I FEEL LIKE I HAD EVERYTHING GOING. EVERYTHING WAS LINING UP PERFECT FOR THE LAST FOUR YEAR, THREE AND A HALF YEARS UNTIL I GOT THAT GUT PUNCH OF A LETTER SAYING THAT THEY WERE GONNA TRY TO [03:45:01] REZONE THAT, THAT PARK SPACE BACK THERE AND BUILD HOUSES IN THERE. SO, UH, AS FAR AS ME, MY WIFE, MY KIDS, YOU KNOW, THE, THIS UH, REZONING, THIS POTENTIAL BUILD BACK THERE IS CAUSING ME AND MY FAMILY A LOT OF UNNECESSARY STRESS NOW. 'CAUSE NOW I'M LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT ANYBODY BEHIND ME. I DON'T WANT TO KNOW THE HOUSE BEHIND ME. AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I BOUGHT THERE. AND IF THIS THING, IF THIS PROJECT GOES THROUGH AND HOUSES GET BUILT, I'M GONNA HAVE SOMEBODY WRITE UP ON ME AND IF IT'S POTENTIAL THERE'S CLOSER TO THE FLOOD ZONE, THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA BUILD THAT HOUSE HIGHER THAN WHAT I AM. SO I'M GONNA HAVE PEOPLE, I'M GONNA BE LOOKING RIGHT AT MY NEIGHBORS PRETTY MUCH OUT MY BACKYARD AND I PUT A LOT OF MONEY INTO MY HOUSE. I INVESTED A LOT OF MONEY INTO MY HOUSE 'CAUSE THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE MY FOREVER HOME. GO IN THERE WITH THE, UH, NOTION THAT YOU'RE GONNA STAY THERE FOR YEARS. I WANT TO RAISE MY KIDS THERE TILL THEY'RE OFF AND ON THEIR OWN. I DON'T KNOW IF I'M GONNA DIE THERE, BUT, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING'S LINING UP THAT WAY. BUT IF THIS GOES THROUGH AND THERE'S SOMEBODY BEHIND ME, I'M SERIOUSLY CONSIDERED JUST SELLING AND MOVING OUT AND I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO DO THAT. UM, SO ON BEHALF OF MYSELF, MY WIFE AND MY TWO KIDS, I RESPECTFULLY REQUESTED YOU DENY THIS REQUEST AND KEEP THAT AREA AS PARK LAND. AND UH, I'D ALSO MAYBE CONSIDER IF UH, THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT IF ME AND MY FELLOW RESIDENTS COULD MAYBE POTENTIALLY BUY THAT LITTLE, LITTLE PLOT TO LAND OURSELF TO LEAVE THAT AREA AS A GREEN SPACE. SO THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. ANYONE ELSE ON ONCE, TWICE? OKAY. IT IS 9 53 AND THE FLOOR IS CLOSED TO PUBLIC. ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS. QUESTIONS? COMMENTS SIR? DO WE KNOW WHY THE DEVELOPER IS NOT HERE TO SPEAK? DO THEY GIVE US A REASON? OKAY, THANK YOU. WHY IS THIS TRAINER HAILED AND NOT 1518 TRAINER HALE'S THE ADDRESS? YEAH. OH, IT'S THE ADDRESS OF THE LARGER PARCEL. SO THIS LARGER PARCEL, THEY BOUGHT A PIECE OF IT. SO IT STILL HAS THE ADDRESS OF THAT ONE. WHICH, WHICH ONE'S THE LARGER ONE? UM, LEMME THE MAP IS STILL OPEN, SO IT'S PART OF THIS LARGER PARCEL AND THEY GOT A SECTION OF IT. SO THAT PIECE GOES ALL THE WAY TO TRAINER HILL. CORRECT SIR. THAT'S WHY IT HAS THAT ADDRESS. GOOD LORD. IS THIS GONNA BE PART OF HALLEY'S COVE OR IS THIS GONNA BE DIFFERENT? THEY'RE CALLING IT HALLEY'S COURT AT HALLEY'S COVE. IT'S NOT PART OF THE PDD, THEY'RE JUST GONNA GO WITH STRAIGHT R ONE ZONING. SO THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE HALLEY'S COVE MASTER PLANT, CORRECT? CAN YOU, CAN YOU GO BACK TO YOUR SLIDE WHERE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, UM, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE EXCHANGE AND UM, SO, UM, YEAH, I I THINK THAT ONE'S PROBABLY ADEQUATE. UM, THE, THE, THE LADY MENTIONED, UM, THERE WAS SOME SUPPOSED TO BE SOME PARK LAND IN HALLEY'S COVE, RIGHT? SO WITH THE PDD, THIS NORTHERN PORTION AND THIS SOUTHERN PORTION WAS GIVEN TO THE CITY, SO IT'S REALLY BAD. BUT YOU CAN SEE THE CITY OF SHIRTS ACTUALLY OWNS BOTH THESE PARCELS AND THERE IS, CAN KIND OF SEE THE LITTLE TRAIL THAT THEY BUILT, BUT THIS IS GONNA BE WHERE THEY'RE GONNA PLACE THE, THE LITTLE PLAY PLAYGROUND. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YEAH, MAKES SENSE. UM, AND THE, THE THE $30,000 WAS FOR PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT? YEAH. OKAY. UM, [03:50:03] I ANSWERED BOTH OF THOSE. UM, I'D LIKE TO TELL A STORY AND UH, THE STAFF HAS HEARD IT BEFORE, BUT, OH, I DON'T KNOW. LONGER BACK THAN I THINK, 'CAUSE I'VE BEEN RETIRED NOW FOR MANY YEARS, BUT AS THE FARM MARSHAL I WAS OUT, IT WAS WHEN SOUTHWESTERN SHIRTS WAS, UH, WAS STARTING TO DEVELOP OUT THERE. AND ABOUT THE SECOND OR THIRD SUBDIVISION THAT WENT IN, I WAS JUST DRIVING OUT THERE ONE DAY AND I COME ON OFF OF, UM, SCENIC LAKE I THINK IT WAS, AND I MAKE A RIGHT TURN INTO THE, THE UNDERDEVELOPMENT SUBDIVISION. IT'S A LITTLE STUB STREET AND THEN YOU HAVE TO GO RIGHT OR LEFT. WELL, I MADE THE LEFT TURN AND YOU, YOU ONLY GO ABOUT A BLOCK AND IT DEAD ENDS AND YOU HAVE TO TURN RIGHT. SO AS I TURN RIGHT AND I'M DRIVING UP THAT STREET OVER ON MY RIGHT HAND, THE INTERNAL PART OF THE SUBDIVISION, OH, ABOUT HALF THE LOTS ARE SOLD OVER ON MY LEFT WHERE THE LOTS BACK UP TO A BARB WIRE FENCE. EVERY SINGLE LOT WAS SOLD. WHY? BECAUSE NOBODY'S GONNA BE BEHIND YOU, EXCEPT BACK IN THE OFFICE ON MY DESK WHERE THE SUBDIVISION PLANS FOR THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT FENCE. OKAY? I CAN'T SPEAK, UH, YOU KNOW, IIII CAN'T TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T SAY WHAT THE DEVELOPER TOLD YOU, WHAT HE DIDN'T TELL YOU, YOU PAID EXTRA, YOU KNOW, I'LL TAKE YOUR WORD FOR IT, OKAY? BUT HE DIDN'T OWN THAT PROPERTY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT FENCE. AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM WE RUN INTO. UM, TEXAS IS VERY OWNER FRIENDLY, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T NOT LET HIM DO SOMETHING BACK THERE. UM, AND, AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WE DO WHAT WE CAN. UH, IT'S LIKE THE ONE BEFORE, UM, WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC DENSITY AND, AND, AND AIR, YOU KNOW, THE A PZ AND WELL, WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THAT OUT HERE. UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WE'RE GONNA SEE THE SAME THING. IF NOT THE NEXT ONE, THE ONE AFTER OVER HERE ON THREE DOUBLE NINE, WE'RE GONNA SEE THE SAME THING. WE'RE NOW UNDEVELOPED LAND ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THEIR FENCE, ALL OF A SUDDEN WANTS TO HAVE A MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING ON IT. UM, OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE? I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND, I REALLY DO. AND UH, BUT YOU JUST, YOU JUST NEVER KNOW. SO ANYBODY, ALRIGHT, SO AGAIN, THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL. WE CAN UH, WE CAN RECOMMEND APPROVAL, DENIAL, OR APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS. IF SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. MR. CHAIRMAN, ON ITEM AGENDA, ITEM FIVE B UH, PLZC 2 0 2 3 0 2 8 3, UH, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF CITY COUNCIL. ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? AND I HAVE A SECOND. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? OKAY, AGAIN, UH, AND A A A YES VOTE ON THIS MOTION WOULD BE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL. SO IF YOU ALL RECORD YOUR VOTES, PLEASE. ALL RIGHT, I SEE SIX VOTES THESE PUBLISHED. THE VOTE IS FOR IN FAVOR TO AGAINST THAT MOTION PASSES. NOW DO WE NEED ANY EXPLANATIONS, ANYTHING FROM THE NAY VOTES? DO WE NEED TO KNOW WHY THEY, NO, THAT'S JUST ON PLATS OR SOMETHING I GUESS. UM, OKAY, MOVING RIGHT ALONG. ITEM FIVE C-B-L-Z-C 20 23 0 2 0 7. HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OR REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 3.6 ACRES OF LAND FROM SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT R ONE TO NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES DISTRICT NS KNOWN AS GUADALUPE COUNTY PROPERTY IDENTIFICATION NUMBER 4 2 7 9 7. MORE SPECIFICALLY DESCRIBED AS 35 FM 3 0 0 9. CITY OF CHARLOTTE, GUADALUPE [03:55:01] COUNTY, TEXAS. GOOD EVENING. PLZC 20 23 0 2 0 7. ZONE CHANGE FROM SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT R ONE TO NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES DISTRICT NS AND APPROXIMATELY 3.6 ACRES DAISY MARQUEZ PLANNER. SO HERE IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY OUTLINED IN GREEN. HERE'S FM 3 3 0 0 9. IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT R ONE AND THEY ARE PROPOSING NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES DISTRICT NS. SO AGAIN, HERE'S THE SUBJECT. PROPERTY IS THE ONLY LITTLE ORANGE YELLOW-ISH ONE TO THE NORTH. WE HAVE THE PDD AND NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES JUST DISTRICT TO THE SOUTH. WE HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES DISTRICT AND THERE ARE CURRENTLY SOME SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. AND THEN WE HAVE SOME MEDICAL OFFICE HERE CLOSER TO 3 0 0 9. TO THE EAST WE HAVE FM 3 0 0 9, ALSO KNOWN AS ROY RICHARD RIGHTAWAY. AND TO THE WEST WE HAVE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT R SIX SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. SO ON FEBRUARY 21ST, WE SENT A TOTAL 44 PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES TO EVERYONE WITHIN THE 200 FEET AND WE RECEIVED NINE IN OPPOSITION. THREE IN FAVOR, UM, BEING FROM THE APPLICANT AND ZERO NEUTRAL AND ONE SIGN WAS POSTED ON THE PROPERTY ON 3 0 0 9. SO UDC SECTION 2154 STATES THAT A ZONE CHANGE IS REQUIRED TO ESTABLISH THE USE OF THE LAND AND THE DEVELOPMENT ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROPOSED ZONING CLASSIFICATION FOR THE PURPOSE OF ESTABLISHING AND MAINTAINING SOUND STABLE AND DESIRABLE DEVELOPMENT. THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE TO NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES DISTRICT PER THE LETTER OF INTENT IS BEING REQUESTED IN ORDER TO EXPAND THE EXISTING LUM DEVELOPMENT. IF THE ZONE CHANGE IS APPROVED, THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SITE PLAN PROCESS IN CONFORMANCE WITH UDC SECTION 21 9 12 AND WE'LL HAVE TO MEET ALL CITY OF SHE'S UDC REQUIREMENTS AS LISTED IN ARTICLE NINE. SO AGAIN, WE GO THROUGH UDC SECTION 2154 D CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL WHEN IT COMES TO A ZONE CHANGE. SO ONE, WHETHER THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE OR ZONING MAP AMENDMENT IMPLEMENTS THE POLICIES OF THE ADOPTED COMPREHENSIVE LAND PLAN, INCLUDING THE LAND USE CLASSIFICATION OF THE PROPERTY ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE TO NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES DISTRICT DOES IMPLEMENT THE POLICIES OF THE ADOPTED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE COMP PLAN DESIGNATES THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND SINGLE FAMILY LAND USE DESIGNATION IS INTENDED FOR A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL WITH SOME COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES THAT SUPPORT THE DAILY ACTIVITY OF DEVELOPMENT. THE REQUESTED NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES DISTRICT IS COMPATIBLE WITH EXISTING AND PROPOSED COMP PLAN LAND USE DESIGNATIONS AS PER A STATEMENT OF PURPOSE AND INTENT FOR BDC SECTION 2156. AND THAT INTENT OF NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES DISTRICT IS TO PROVIDE SUITABLE AREAS OF DEVELOPMENT OF CERTAIN LIMITED SERVICE AND RETAIL USES AND PROXIMITY TO RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THE BASIC EVERYDAY RETAIL AND SERVICE NEEDS OF NEARBY RESIDENTS. SO TO WHETHER THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGER ZONING MAP AMENDMENT PROMOTES THE HEALTH, SAFETY OR GENERAL WELFARE OF THE CITY IN THE SAFE, ORDERLY, EFFICIENT, AND HEALTHFUL DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY AS PART OF PROMOTING HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE CITY, THE CITY SHOULD ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING USES, UTILIZING STANDARDS AND TRANSITIONAL USES TO ALLEVIATE NEGATIVE IMPACTS. AND AS STATED IN UDC SECTION 21 5 7 6 B NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES DISTRICT NS USES OCCUR MOST OFTEN AT THE PERIPHERY OF ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS AT THE INTERSECTION OF COLLECTORS AND MINOR ARTERIALS AND HAVE GENEROUS LANDSCAPING AND CONTAIN NON-RESIDENTIAL USES BUT REQUIRE APPROPRIATE BUFFERING FOR RE FROM RESIDENTIAL USES. AND THE SUBJECT'S PROPERTY ACCESS POINT IS ON FM THREE TO OH NINE AND FM THREE TO OH NINE IS CLASSIFIED AS A PRINCIPAL ARTERIAL AT FROM 120 TO 130 FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY. AND WHETHER THE USE IS PERMITTED BY THE PROPOSED CHANGE IN ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION AND THE STANDARDS APPLICABLE TO SUCH USES WILL BE APPROPRIATE IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA OF THE LAND TO BE RECLASSIFIED. YES, THE PROPOSED PERMITTED USES IN NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES DISTRICT ARE MEANT TO BE NEAR AND NEAR ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS AND AT THE INTERSECTION OF COLLECTORS AND MINOR ARTERIALS, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON FM 3 0 9, WHICH IS A PRINCIPAL ARTERIAL AND IS LOCATED ON THE OTHER SIDE OF TWO ESTABLISH NEIGHBORHOODS. THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WILL NEED TO MEET UDC ARTICLE NINE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS, WHICH WILL REQUIRE ADDITIONAL SCREENING BUFFERING AND INCREASE BUILDING SETBACK REQUIREMENTS ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL USE AND RESIDENTIAL ZONE PROPERTIES. SO WHETHER THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE IS IN ACCORD WITH ANY EXISTING OR PROPOSED PROPOSED PLANS FOR PROVIDING PUBLIC SCHOOLS STREETS, WATER SUPPLY, SANITARY SERVICE, OR OTHER PUBLIC SERVICES AND UTILITIES TO THE AREA. THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS LOCATED ON FM 3 0 9 AND THE DEVELOPER HAS ALREADY COMMUNICATED WITH TAW AND HAS COME TO THE AGREEMENT THAT THE EXISTING SIGNALIZE T INTERSECTION ON FM 3 0 0 9 AND GREEN VALLEY ROAD WILL BE MODIFIED TO A FULLY SIGNALED INTERSECTION SO THAT THE MAIN ACCESS POINT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT IS AT THAT FM 3 0 9 AND GREEN VALLEY ROAD INTERSECTION. AND THERE IS EXISTING WATER AND SEWER FOR THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WITH WATER BEING SERVICED FROM [04:00:01] SHIRTS AND S-S-L-G-C, DUAL CCN AND SEWER FROM SHIRTS AND CCMA DUAL CCN AND FIVE WHETHER THERE HAVE BEEN ENVIRONMENTAL UNDER ECONOMICAL CHANGES WHICH WARRANT THE REQUESTED CHANGE FM 3 0 9 HAS BEEN DEVELOPING AS A CORRIDOR WITHIN THE CITY OF SHEZ THAT PROVIDES LOCAL SERVICES AND LOCAL COMMERCIAL USES FOR RESIDENTS. AND WITH THESE CONTINUING IMPROVEMENTS ON FM 3 0 9 AND INCREASING COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO FM 3 0 9, THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR ZONE CHANGE FROM SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT R TWO TO NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES DISTRICT IS WARRANTED TO EXPAND EXISTING AND CONTINUING MEDICAL OFFICE DEVELOPMENT THAT CORRESPONDS WITH WHAT IS EXISTING ON FM 3 0 0 9 AND WHETHER THERE'S AN ERROR IN THE ORIGINAL ZONING OF THE PROPERTY OR WHICH FOR WHICH A CHANGE IS REQUESTED. THERE WAS NO ERROR IN THE ORIGINAL ZONING OF THE PROPERTY AND WHETHER ALL OF THE APPLICANT'S BACK TAXES OWED TO THE CITY HAVE BEEN PAID IN FULL. THIS DOES NOT IMPACT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL AND WHETHER OTHER CRITERIA ARE MET, WHICH AT THE DISCRETION OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL ARE DEEMED RELEVANT AND IMPORTANT IN THE CONSIDERATION OF THE AMENDMENT. STAFF HAS ENSURED ALL UDC REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN MET FOR THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE AND AT THIS TIME HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION OR THE CITY COUNCIL. SO DUE TO THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT ON FM 3 0 0 9 COMPATIBILITY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN AND THE MINIMAL ADVERSE IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF PLZC 20 23 0 2 0 7. YEAH. AND THEN THE APPLICANT IS HERE. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. PATRICK CHRISTENSEN, THREE 15 EAST COMMERCE SAN ANTONIO. I KNOW YOU'RE ALREADY HAD A LONG EVENING. I'LL BE SUPER QUICK. SO MY CLIENT OWNS THE PROPERTY THAT'S BOTH ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDE OF THIS FLAG LOT, IF YOU WILL. UM, THEY NEED TO THE, ON THE SOUTHERN END, THEY ALREADY HAVE SOME MEDICAL OFFICES AND A SMALL PHARMACY. THEY NEED TO BUILD A PARKING LOT ON THE NORTH END OF THIS, OF THE FLAGPOLE, IF YOU WILL, OF THE FLAG LOT ON, ON ROY RICHARD DRIVE. SO WE NEED TO MAKE THE ZONING CONSISTENT TO NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES. IT'S, IT'S 3.6 ACRES, BUT WHAT'S INTERESTING IS, IS ALTHOUGH IT'S ZONED R TWO, IT'S ALMOST UNDEVELOPABLE BECAUSE THE, THE, THE MAIN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, THERE'S ONLY A SMALL 15 FOOT WIDE DRIVE OUT TO ROY RICHARD DRIVE. YOU KNOW, IT WAS, IT WAS AN OLD, OLD HOUSE, IT'S BEEN VACANT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS AND YOU JUST HAVE A SMALL DRIVEWAY OUT TO ROY RICHARD DRIVE. SO WE WANT TO AMAL OR COMBINE THAT PROPERTY WITH THE PROPERTIES ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH TO MAKE A SMALL MEDICAL OFFICE DEVELOPMENT AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES. THANK YOU. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND IT IS, UH, 10:09 PM I DON'T KNOW WHY. ANYWAY, AND AT THIS TIME I'LL OPEN THE FLOOR. ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THIS TOPIC? WELCOME TO STEP FORWARD. NO, NOBODY. ALRIGHT, SO IT'S 10:10 PM AND THAT PUBLIC INPUT IS CLOSED. COMMISSIONERS, ANYBODY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION APPROVE PLZC 2 0 2 3 0 2 0 7 SECOND. ALL RIGHT. THAT WAS, UH, MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HECTOR. THE SECOND WAS COMMISSIONER CRAIG. OKAY. UM, I DID HAVE A COUPLE COMMENTS BEFORE WE, BEFORE WE VOTE ON IT. UH, I WAS TRYING TO LOOK REAL QUICK AT THE PERMITTED USE TABLE, UM, AS TO WHY WE ASKED FOR NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES AND NOT OFFICE PROFESSIONAL. UM, BECAUSE IT'S, UH, YOU, YOU KNOW, I WAS THINKING A DOCTOR'S OFFICE BACK UP IN THERE PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE SAW, WE RECEIVED SOME COMMENTS ABOUT, UM, NOISE AND TRAFFIC AND, AND I THINK, UH, A PROFESSIONAL BUILDING OF SOME KIND WOULD, WOULD, WOULD FIT FAIRLY WELL, BUT NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES ALLOWS, UM, SO MANY OTHER THINGS. UH, BUT OFFICE PROFESSIONAL, I WAS A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED AS I LOOKED THROUGH THERE. I SEE I EVEN THERE I SEE THINGS I'M NOT SURE WOULD FIT. SO SIX TO ONE, HALF A DOZEN. THE OTHER, UH, WHAT'S STAFF'S OPINION? UH, [04:05:02] IF YOU WANT TO STICK YOUR NECK OUT FOR ME, I, YOU KNOW, I I I I'VE SEEN WHAT THE KELLUM FOLKS HAVE DONE AND UH, SO, YOU KNOW, NO DOUBT IN MY MIND THAT THEY WANT TO BUILD ANOTHER OFFICE BUILDING. BUT ANYWAY, I I ASK YOU A QUESTION YOU WANT, WHAT DO YOU THINK? SO I, I THINK TWOFOLD, ONE, ONE COMMENT THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED PREVIOUSLY IN TERMS OF A MEDICAL OFFICE, WE, WE RECEIVED THIS FURTHER DOWN. UM, THE LOT PAST FRESENIUS, THEY CAME IN AND THEY DIDN'T GO OFFICE PROFESSIONAL, THEY WENT NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES BECAUSE THE PHARMACY, A PHARMACY IS NOT PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN OFFICE PROFESSIONAL, BUT IT IS IN NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES. SO I'M NOT SURE IF MAYBE THAT'S POTENTIALLY DOWN THE ROAD, BUT, UM, FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, ZONING, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER TWO LUM PROPERTIES. IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE ROW OF PROPERTIES, UM, SOUTH OF THIS ONE AS WELL. SO KEEP IT CONSISTENT NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES, UM, IT WOULD ALLOW WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED AND, AND HAS IN MIND FOR THE DEVELOPMENT TO BE MORE OF THAT KLUM MEDICAL COMPLEX, IF YOU WILL. YEAH, WELL YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY WITH, WITH THIS LOT, WE'RE REALLY ENCROACHING ON THOSE HOMES AND YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE COMMENTS ABOUT ARE, ARE, ARE, ARE THEY GONNA CONSTRUCT ANOTHER TWO STORY BUILDING? UM, YOU KNOW, UM, ALRIGHT, UH, YEAH 'CAUSE I KIND OF WENT DOWN THE LIST AND IT'S, EH, YOU KNOW, AND, AND YEAH, I DIDN'T PICK UP, I DID SEE WHERE A PHARMACY WAS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND, AND OKAY. UM, WOULD YOU, LIKE YOU, YOU COULD, WOULD YOU LIKE, DO YOU KNOW WHY YOU CHOSE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES OVER OFFICE PROFESSIONAL OR, OR DID YOU EVEN THINK ABOUT IT? WE THOUGHT ABOUT IT . YES. YES SIR. UM, REALLY IT WAS JUST TO BE CONSISTENT WITH EVERYTHING THAT WAS ABOVE AND BELOW US. UM, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY IMMEDIATE PLANS FOR THAT BACK PORTION. YOU KNOW, THEY DO HAVE PLANS TO HAVE A DRIVEWAY FOR THE CONNECTING THROUGH THIS, THE FLAGPOLE, LIKE I SAID. UM, BUT THAT WAS REALLY THE MAIN REASON. UM, OKAY. IT'S, IT'S NOT SUITABLE FOR ANY KIND OF RETAIL. THERE'S NO VISIBILITY FROM THE ROAD AT ALL. SO WE THOUGHT, YOU KNOW. OKAY, THANK YOU. I DO HAVE TO TELL YOU, I OCCASIONALLY RIDE A BICYCLE ALONG 3 0 0 9. THAT'S A REALLY NICE SIDEWALK UNTIL YOU GET TO THE ENTRANCE TO THE KLUM WHERE BASICALLY YOU GO AROUND AND NOW IT'S A BLIND, YOU CAN'T SEE WHAT'S COMING ON THE DRIVEWAY AND SO YOU KIND OF STICK YOUR HEAD OUT THERE LOOKING. BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE, HAVE THE, UM, THE TRAFFIC SO IT'S THERE AT THE, AT THE LIGHT. ALRIGHT, ANYBODY ELSE? SEE I JUST, I CAN'T HELP MYSELF. I GOTTA TALK. ALRIGHT, SO I, I CURRENTLY HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PLZC 20 23 0 2 0 7. IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTES, RIGHT? I HAVE SIX VOTES. CAN WE PUBLISH THAT? AND WE HAVE SIX IN FAVOR AND NONE OPPOSED, SO THAT MOTION PASSES. ALL RIGHTY. WE'RE GETTING THERE SLOWLY BUT EARLY FIVE D-B-L-Z-C 20 24 0 0 0 7 HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON A REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 11.7 ACRES OF LAND FROM GENERAL BUSINESS TO GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT TWO, KNOWN AS KAMAL COUNTY PROPERTY IDENTIFICATION NUMBER 7 8 0 5 3 1 1 6 2 6 6 OH, I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT, YEAH. OKAY, WHERE WAS I? GUADALUPE COUNTY PROPERTY ID NUMBER IS 6 8 3 2 7 6 8 3 2 9 1 1 4 0 8 0 AND 1 1 4 0 8 2. GENERALLY LOCATED 500 FEET WEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF FM 22 50 52 AND IH 35 FRONTAGE ROAD, CITY OF SHEZ, GUADALUPE AND KAMAU COUNTY, TEXAS. READ FAST, PLZC 20 24 0 0 7. ZONE CHANGE REQUEST FROM GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT GB TO GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT TWO, GB TWO ON APPROXIMATELY 11.7 ACRES. DAISY MARQUEZ PLANNER. SO HERE IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY OUTLINED IN GREEN. UM, HERE'S FM 3 0 0 9. IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AND YOU MIGHT RECOGNIZE THIS PROPERTY FROM AN SUP THAT WAS APPROVED RECENTLY FOR A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS STATION PUMPS. AND HERE IS THE EXISTING BUSSES FLEA MARKET. SO AGAIN, TO THE NORTH WE HAVE I [04:10:01] 35 NORTH ACCESS ROAD TO THE SOUTH. UM, THE PROPERTY IS KIND OF SPLIT UP BETWEEN GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AND SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT, BUT THAT PARCEL IS CURRENTLY VACANT. AND THEN TO THE EAST, AGAIN, WE HAVE THAT GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT WITH AN APPROVED SUP FOR A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS PUMPS, BUT IT IS CURRENTLY VACANT. AND THEN TO THE WEST WE HAVE THE PRIVATE RIGHT OF WAY OF DEN HILL ON FEBRUARY 21ST WE SEND OUT SEVEN PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES AND WE RECEIVED ZERO RESPONSES AND TWO SIGNS WERE POSTED ON THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY. HERE IS THAT ZONING EXHIBIT AND THIS IS I 35 JUST TO ORIENT YOU. SO THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 11.7 ACRES FROM GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT TO GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT TWO. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY USED FOR PORTABLE BUILDING CELLS. SPECIFICALLY MOBILE MINI PORTABLE BUILDING CELLS IS DEFINED AS AN ESTABLISHMENT WHICH FACTORY MANUFACTURES PORTABLE BUILDINGS SUCH AS MANUFACTURED HOMES AND JOB SITES ARE DISPLAYED AND OFFERED FOR SALE, LEASE OR ORDER TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. AS PER ARTICLE 16 OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. AND PER THE LETTER OF INTENT SUBMITTED WITH THE APPLICATION, THE APPLICANT DESIRES TO BRING THE PROPERTY'S CURRENT ILLEGAL NON-CONFORMING LAND USE OF PORTABLE BUILDING CELLS INTO CONFORMANCE WITH THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. ADDITIONALLY, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO REMODEL A VACANT BUILDING ON THEIR PROPERTY FOR RETAIL UDC SECTION 2154 STATES THAT A ZONE CHANGE IS REQUIRED TO ESTABLISH THE USE OF LAND AND DEVELOPMENT ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROPOSED ZONING CLASSIFICATION FOR THE PURPOSE OF ESTABLISHING AND MAINTAINING SOUND STABLE AND DESIRABLE DEVELOPMENT. THE ZONE CHANGE IF APPROVED WITH THE COMPANY'S SPECIFIC USE PERMIT REQUEST WOULD MAKE THE EXISTING LAND USE CONFORM TO THE UDC SECTION 2158 PERMITTED USE TABLE, AND NO LONGER BE A NON-CONFORMING USE SUBJECT TO ARTICLE SEVEN. ALTHOUGH THE LAND WILL NO LONGER BE NON-CONFORMING, IF THE ZONE CHANGE AND SPECIFIC USE PERMIT ARE APPROVED, THE APPLICANT WILL STILL NEED TO PLOT THEIR PROPERTY, PROVIDE IMPROVEMENT, SUBMIT A SITE PLAN, DEMONSTRATE COMPLIANCE WITH THE UDC AND RECEIVE A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. SO AGAIN, WE GO THROUGH UDC SECTION 21, 54 D CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL. WHEN IT COMES TO ZONE CHANGE AND WHETHER THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE OR ZONING MAP AMENDMENT IMPLEMENTS THE POLICIES OF THE ADOPTED COMPREHENSIVE LAND PLAN, INCLUDING THE LAND USE CLASSIFICATION OF THE PROPERTY AND THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE DOES NOT MEET THE INTENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN. THE CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN DESIGNATES THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AS COMMERCIAL CAMPUS WITH A LITTLE PORTION OF THE BACK AS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. THE COMMERCIAL CAMPUS LAND USE DESIGNATION IS INTENDED TO ENCOURAGE THE DEVELOPMENT OF LOWER INTENSITY COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE USES AS A BUFFER BETWEEN I 35 AND ADJOINING NEIGHBORHOODS. THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE FROM GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT TO GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT TWO WOULD ALLOW FOR MORE INTENSE LAND USES THAT ARE NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE CURRENT NOR THE PROPOSED COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS FOR THIS AREA. AND MORE SPECIFICALLY, GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT TWO PERMITS BY RIGHT USES LIKE TRUCK SALES, HEAVY EQUIPMENT WELDING, MACHINE SHOP NURSERY, MAJOR GENERAL MANUFACTURING, INDUSTRIAL USES AND BOTTLING WORKS. AND ADDITIONALLY, THE ACCOMPANYING SPECIFIC USE PERMIT IS TO ESPECIALLY ALLOW PORTABLE BUILDING CELLS, WHICH SHOULD NOT MEET THE INTENT OF A HARMONIOUS CENTER WHERE SERVICES OF THE LOCAL RESIDENTS ARE MET. TWO, WHETHER THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE OR ZONING MAP AMENDMENT PROMOTES THE HEALTH, SAFETY OR GENERAL WELFARE OF THE CITY IN THE SAFE, ORDERLY, EFFICIENT, AND HELPFUL DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY. THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE DOES NOT PROMOTE THE GENERALLY ORDERLY AND HELPFUL DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY. THIS PORTION OF THE I 35 NORTH ACCESS ROAD FROM EBOLA VALLEY DRIVE TO FM 2252 IS SLOWLY BECOMING A CORRIDOR THAT MEETS THE NEEDS OF THE LOCAL COMMUNITY WITH PERSONAL SERVICES, RESTAURANTS, AND RETAIL. THERE ARE MORE APPROPRIATE LOCATIONS FOR THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT AND PROPOSED USE FOR THE LAND IS ALREADY ZONED FOR PORTABLE BUILDING CELLS. AND WHETHER THE USE IS PERMITTED BY THE PROPOSED CHANGE IN ZONING DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION AND THE STANDARDS APPLICABLE TO SUCH USES WILL BE APPROPRIATE IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA OF THE LAND TO BE RECLASSIFIED. THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE TO GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT TWO IS NOT APPROPRIATE WITHIN IMMEDIATE AREA OF THE LAND TO BE RECLASSIFIED. WHETHER THE PROPOSED CHANGE IS IN ACCORD WITH AN EXISTING OR PROPOSED PLANS FOR PROVIDING PUBLIC SCHOOL STREETS, WATER SUPPLY, SANITARY SEWERS, OR OTHER PUBLIC SERVICES AND UTILITIES TO THE AREA. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS USING AN EXISTING ONSITE SANITARY SEWER SYSTEM AND DURING THE PLOTTING PROCESS, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WILL NEED TO CONFORM TO THE CITY OF SHE'S DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS IN THE UDC. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY USES I 35 NORTH ACCESS ROAD AS ITS FRONTAGE AND THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION HAS ACQUIRED THE RIGHT OF WAY NECESSARY FOR THE T NEXT PROJECT. ALREADY THE MASTER PLAN EAST AND WEST CONNECTOR DOES NOT AFFECT THEIR PROPERTY DIRECTLY AS ALIGNMENT HAS BEEN SET BY OTHER DEVELOPMENT AND CONSEQUENTLY WILL AFFECT THEIR NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, IS AVAILABLE AND PROVIDED BY THE SHIRTS AND S-S-L-G-C DUAL LCCN ON I 35 NORTH ACCESS ROAD. ALTHOUGH THE SITE IS OPERATING WITH ONSITE SEPTICS SEW AVAILABLE AND PROVIDED BY SHIRTS AND CCMA DUAL CCN AND THE DEVELOPMENT WILL BE REQUIRED TO EXTEND SEWER ACROSS THE FRONTAGE TO THE EXISTING BUSES LIFT STATION. ANY PLANS FOR SEWER EXTENSION WILL BE SUBMITTED AT [04:15:01] THE TIME OF FINAL PLAT WITH THEIR PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE PERMITS. AND WHETHER THERE HAVE BEEN ENVIRONMENTAL AND OR ECONOMICAL CHANGES WHICH WARRANT THE REQUESTED CHANGE. KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN NO ENVIRONMENTAL ECONOMICAL CHANGES THAT WARRANT THE REQUESTED ZONE CHANGE. THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE MAJORITY OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WAS ANNEXED ON APRIL 7TH, 1981 WITH ORDINANCE 81 8 10 AND THE REMAINDER ON FEBRUARY 6TH, 1990 WITH ORDINANCE 98 5 PORTABLE BUILDING CELLS WAS ESTABLISHED AS A USE IN THE PERMITTED USE TABLE OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE WITH ORDINANCE SIX S 33. THE 2006 AMENDMENT OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE 2006 UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE STIPULATES THAT PORTABLE BUILDING CELLS REQUIRES A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT IN GENERAL BUSINESS, BUSINESS DISTRICT TWO AND GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT THREE AND IS PERMITTED AND MANUFACTURING DISTRICT L AND ONE UDC SECTION 2171 B STATES THAT NON-CONFORMING USES LOSS AND STRUCTURES SHALL NOT BE ENLARGED UPON, EXPANDED OR EXTENDED AND SHALL BE USED AS A BASIS FOR ADDING OTHER STRUCTURES OR USES PROHIBITED, PROHIBITED ELSEWHERE IN THE SAME DISTRICT. HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN CONTINUALLY EXPANDING THE BUSINESS ON THE ORIGINAL PARCEL ONTO NEW PARCELS WITHOUT PERMITS. AND HERE IS JUST SOME AERIAL SHOTS, HOW FROM 2005 TO 2012 IT HAS EXPANDED ONTO THE OTHER PARCEL WITHOUT PERMITS AND TO 20 23 6, WHETHER THERE'S AN ERROR IN THE ORIGINAL ZONING OF THE PROPERTY FOR WHICH A CHANGE IS REQUESTED. THERE WAS NO ERROR IN THE ORIGINAL ZONING OF THIS PROPERTY. WHETHER ALL OF THE APPLICANT'S BACK TAXES OWED TO THE CITY HAVE BEEN PAID IN FULL. THIS DOES NOT IMPACT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL AND WHETHER OTHER CRITERIA ARE MET, WHICH AT THE DISCRETION OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL ARE DEEMED RELEVANT AND IMPORTANT IN THE CONSIDERATION OF THE AMENDMENT. STAFF HAS ENSURED ALL UDC REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN MET FOR THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE AND AT THIS TIME HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION OR THE CITY COUNCIL. AND AGAIN, WE JUST WANNA REITERATE THAT THIS IS A ZONE CHANGE RECOMMENDATION. THIS IS JUST FOR THE ZONE CHANGE AND WE JUST PROVIDED A TABLE THAT SHOWS THE ALLOWED USES IN GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT TWO. UM, IF IT HAS AN S IT REQUIRES AN SUP, BUT THESE ARE THE USES ALLOWED OR WOULD REQUIRE AN SUP THAT ARE NOT ALLOWED IN GENERAL BUSINESS TWO OUTRIGHT. BUT I DID ADD THE USES THAT REQUIRE IN AN SUP THAT MAY BE ALLOWED IN GB TWO. SO THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE TO GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT TWO WOULD ALLOW MORE INTENSE USES THAT ARE NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT AND IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LAND USE DESIGNATION DESIGNATIONS. THE EXISTING GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AND THE PERMITTED USES WITHIN GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT ARE MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING ADJACENT LAND USES AND THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND PLAN LAND USE DESIGNATIONS. THEREFORE, STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL OF PLZC 2 24 0 0 7 AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE. UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM SPECIFICALLY, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A PRESENTATION. COME ON UP. OH, DON'T LOOK AT THAT, IT'S GOOD MORNING. WE'RE, WE'RE HERE FOR THE DURATION. RON CARILLO. UH, I HAVE ON, WE HAVE OWNED MY WIFE AND I HER BIRTHDAY TODAY BIRTHDAY. WE HAVE OWNED THE PROPERTY FOR ABOUT 25 YEARS OR SO. UH, WHEN MOBILE MINI MOVING THERE, THE SON WAS GENERAL BUSINESS ACTUALLY, I, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE WAS EVEN A ZONE. SO THEY MOVING IN THERE. WE HAVE A LEASE THE PROPERTY FOR A RESTAURANT. WE'RE PLANNING TO TAKE THE RESTAURANT OFF AND PUT A NICER BUILDING BECAUSE THE RESTAURANT IS NOT, UH, THE BUILDING IS NOT VERY NICE. UH, MOM MINI MOVING THERE. ALL THEY DO IS THEY SELL, UH, CONTAINERS OR LEASE CONTAINERS. MM-HMM. , I'M A LITTLE BIT, UM, UH, SHOCKED BECAUSE I BELIEVE WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH ENGINEERS AND WITH THE CITY OF SHES, AND WE, I WAS UNDER THE UNDERSTANDING THAT EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE PROVIDED WAS APPROVED. SO WE WERE SUPPOSED TO JUST COME HERE TO GET AN APPROVAL AND, AND I DON'T, I DON'T SEE WHY THE RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT, UH, WHEN WE MOVED THERE, EH, MO MINI DID NOT, UH, APPLY AS A TENANT FOR A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. SO THEREFORE THEY, YOU KNOW, THE, INITIALLY THEY JUST HAD SOME UNITS AS A STORAGE AND AFTER A FEW YEARS THEY MOVED THEIR OFFICES, WHICH WERE ACROSS THE STREET, UH, ON THE SOUTH OF, UH, HIGHWAY 35. THEY MOVED THEIR OFFICES TO OUR LOCATION AND THEY KEEP OPERATING. THEY'VE BEEN OPERATING AS A CLEAN BUSINESS, BEEN OPERATING FOR SEVERAL YEARS, AND WE WERE UNDER THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO CHANGE TO APPLY FOR GENERAL BUSINESS TWO, AND THEN AFTER THAT BEEN APPROVED AND HAVE A SECOND AMENDMENT, WHICH IS UNDER YOUR, UH, [04:20:01] UH, SCHEDULE TO HAVE A, A NEW OR SOMETHING THAT WILL ALLOW THIS SPECIFIC, UH, USE. UM, WE KNOW THE NEIGHBORS, THEY DON'T OPPOSE THE BUSINESS THAT IS THERE. UM, AND YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A BUSINESS BEING ACTUALLY, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, I WAS TOLD BY THE CITY OF, UH, CHURCH THAT WE WERE APPLIED TO THIS AND THEN WE'LL BE GRANDFATHER BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR SO MANY YEARS. SO, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS SHOULD NOT BE APPROVED. IT'S JUST A, YOU KNOW, CLEAN BUSINESS. IT DOESN'T AFFECT ANYBODY. I MEAN, IT'S BEEN, THE COMPANY'S BEEN THERE FOR MANY YEARS AND IF YOU LOOK THEIR BUSINESS AS THE GROUNDS ARE KEPT PROPERLY, IT'S BEEN A VERY GOOD TENANT. AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROPERTY, EH, WE ARE GOING TO, WE'RE TAKING OFF THE OLD BUILDING THAT WAS A RESTAURANT, WHICH IS IN THE SAME LOCATION, AND WE'RE GOING TO PUT A NICER BUILDING AND WE'RE WAITING FOR, UH, SOME SEWER. WE HAVE A, RIGHT NOW SEPTIC AND WE'RE WAITING FOR SEWER SO WE CAN, UH, USE THE SEWER FOR THE NEW LOCATION. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, YOU KNOW, I I REALLY THINK THAT, UH, IT IS A VERY CLEAN BUSINESS. DOESN'T AFFECT ANYBODY. THE NEIGHBORS ARE HAPPY. IT'S ON HIGHWAY 35 AND IT'S BEEN THERE FOR OVER 20 YEARS, SO, YOU KNOW. ALRIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS? UH, ALRIGHT. THANK YOU SIR. OKAY. PUBLIC HEARING TIME. UH, IT IS, UH, 10:28 PM AND I'LL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC INPUT. ANYONE, THERE'S THE STAMPED TO THE MICROPHONE. NOBODY. ALRIGHT. OKAY. IT IS STILL 10 28 AND PUBLIC INPUT IS CLOSED COMMISSIONERS. SO THANK YOU. I'M, I'M GLAD YOU GOT UP THERE AND SPOKE BECAUSE I DIDN'T REALIZE, UM, I I, I MEAN I'M LOOKING AT THE AERIAL, BUT IT DIDN'T OCCUR TO ME THAT, UM, THAT RESTAURANT, YOU KNOW, JUST RECENTLY IT WAS SOLOMON OR SOMETHING. I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THIS PROPERTY. I'M USED TO SEEING MOBILE MINI AS YOU GO NORTH. THEY KIND OF SAT UP ON THE HILL AND YOU REALLY DIDN'T SEE MUCH OF WHAT WAS GOING ON BACK THERE. UM, COULD YOU, WHERE, WHERE DID WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THAT? SUP? IS THAT THE, THE WOMAC PROPERTY DIRECTLY TO DIRECTLY NEXT TO THEM? IS THAT, UM, IT'S NOT, I DON'T REMEMBER IT IF IT'S OWNED BY THE WOMAC, BUT IT IS THE PROPERTY RIGHT NEXT TO THEM. OKAY. OKAY. SO I I'M KIND OF, SO I, I GUESS WE NEED TO BRING THE, THE NEED TO, TO BRING IT INTO CONFORMANCE IS SO THAT THEY CAN TEAR DOWN AND REPLACE THAT BUILDING. IS, IS RIGHT. SO WHAT'S NON-CONFORMING IS THE PORTABLE BUILDING USE SALES. SO THAT'S WHY THEY NEED THE GB TWO WITH THE SEP TO BRING IT TO CONFORMANCE IN ADDITION TO PLATING AND SITE PLAN. YEAH. BUT AS LONG AS THEY CONTINUED PORTABLE BUILDING SALES, THEY WOULDN'T, THEY, THEY CAN CONTINUE NON-CONFORMING. RIGHT. THEY HAVE EXPANDED ONTO THE OTHER PARCEL WITHOUT PERMITS. WELL, THAT'S AN WHEN IT WAS NON-CONFORMING ON THE SINGULAR PARCEL. AND PER, AS PER THE UDC, THEY CANNOT EXPAND THEIR BUSINESS. IF IT'S NON-CONFORMING TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, THAT'S AN, THAT'S AN ENFORCEMENT. YOU, YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? THAT, YOU KNOW, NON-CONFORMING IS NON-CONFORMING. RIGHT. AND, AND, AND AS LONG AS THEY CONTINUE DOING WHAT THEY'RE DOING, THEY DON'T HAVE TO REZONE IT. CORRECT. BUT IF THEY WANT TO, IF THEY WANT TO MAKE AT WHAT POINT, IN OTHER WORDS, THEY WANT TO TEAR DOWN THAT OLD RESTAURANT BUILDING AND PUT UP A NEW BUILDING, IS IT, IT, WOULD THAT REQUIRE CONFORMANCE? NO. SO TEARING DOWN THE EXISTING BUILDING AND BUILDING A NEW RESTAURANT RETAIL, THEY COULD LEAVE THE PROPERTY AS GENERAL BUSINESS, BUT IT'S STILL AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE WITH MOBILE MINI NOT HAVING A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, NEVER HAVING A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. MM-HMM. DOING THE EXPANSIONS WITHOUT PERMITS. THERE'S OTHER CODE ISSUES AS WELL ON THE SITES. ALRIGHT. BESIDES JUST THE PORTABLE BUILDING SALES. SO HERE, HERE, HERE'S WHERE I'M TORN. OKAY. TO APPROVE THIS WOULD BE REWARDING NON-COMPLIANCE. OKAY. IN OTHER WORDS, MOBILE MINI'S BEEN DOING THEIR OWN THING OUT THERE AND NOT PAYING ANY ATTENTION TO FOLLOWING THE RULES. AND SO WE CHANGED THE RULES TO FIT THEM. THE OTHER, THE, THE OTHER FLIP SIDE OF THAT IS JUST WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS SAID. THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOREVER, YOU [04:25:01] KNOW, AND SO WHY WOULDN'T WE WANT THEM TO CONTINUE? BUT WE HAVE, I WOULD SAY WE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION A LOT WITH THE ZONING TAKE MOBILE MINI OUT OF, OUT OF THIS CONVERSATION. DO YOU AS A COMMISSION, THE REQUEST IS, IS GENERAL BUSINESS TO THE APPROPRIATE ZONING? 'CAUSE ULTIMATELY MOBILE MINI COULD GO AWAY TOMORROW. YES. AND ANYTHING THAT'S PERMITTED BY W RIGHT. IF THE ZONING'S APPROVED TO BE GENERAL BUSINESS TWO COULD GO THERE AND THAT, SO IT'S THAT, THAT WAS MY, IT'S REALLY IS GENERAL BUSINESS TWO THE MOST APPROPRIATE ZONING THAT, THAT, THAT WAS MY NEXT COMMENT WAS, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF GB TWO BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT CAN BE IN IT. OKAY. BUT AGAIN, IT'S BEEN THERE ALMOST AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN AROUND, SO YEAH. UH, I DON'T KNOW. OKAY. WHAT DO THE REST OF YOU, WHAT DO THE REST OF YOU THINK? SO IF IT'S NOT CHANGED, THE GP TWO, WHAT HAPPENS TO THEIR CURRENT BUSINESS? DO THEY CONTINUE TO OPERATE NON-COMPLIANCE? I WOULD SAY IT WOULD THEN BE EVALUATED BY THE PLANNING STAFF AND CODE ENFORCEMENT THROUGH NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES ON NEXT STEPS. ALRIGHT. I THINK THE APPLICANT WANTED TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. OKAY. FIRST I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT, UH, MOBILE MINI IS NOT OPERATING INTENTIONALLY ON NO COMPLAINTS. AS SOON AS WE LEARNED THAT THERE WAS NO CERTIFICATE, WE HAD A INSPECTOR AND WE TALKED TO INSPECTOR SAYS WHAT WE NEED TO DO, WE NEED TO HAVE SOME FIRST EXTINGUISHER STUFF. WE NEED TO APPLY FOR THE CFO TO DO THE CFO. WE HAVE TO DO A REPLANTING, WHICH WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE PROCESS AND IT'S BEEN COSTING ME THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN OVER A YEAR. AND AFTER THE CITY SAYS, OKAY, YOU DO THE REPLYING, WE DO THE RE RESIGNING AND MOST LIKELY IT'S GONNA BE GRANDFATHER. OKAY? SO WE DID EVERYTHING THEY HAVE REQUESTED. AND AS A LANDLORD, I TOLD MOBO MINI, WE ARE GOING TO DO THIS. LOOKS LIKE EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE GOOD. WE'RE GOING TO DO THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. WE DON'T WANT TO BE NON-COMPLIANCE. YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE BEEN OPERATING KEEP A BUSINESS AND WE WANT TO DO IT PROPERLY. AND THE UNDERSTANDING IS THAT A GB TWO WAS SUGGESTED. I HAVE TALKED TO MRS. MARCUS AND SHE SAYS THAT'S THE BEST ROUTE TO GO. AND I HIRED AN ENGINEER WHO HAS BEEN COMMUNICATING WITH HER AND THEY BOTH AGREED THAT WAS THE BEST ROUTE. NOW, IF THERE IS A, A CONCERN ABOUT MOBILE MINI, THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR 25 YEARS, THE LIKELIHOOD OF THE MOVING IS, YOU KNOW, UNLESS, I MEAN THEY DON'T REALLY WANT TO MOVE THERE FROM THERE. SO, BUT IF THERE IS AN ISSUE OF, I UNDERSTAND IF THEY WERE TO MOVE, IF WE WERE TO USE THAT A ZONING FOR SOMETHING ELSE, THAT WOULD BE A CONCERN. IF THERE IS A WAY THAT WE CAN SIGN SOMETHING THAT SAYS, UH, THIS WILL BE PARTICULARLY USED FOR MOBILE MINI AND IF THE FUTURE, IF ANYBODY ELSE WILL MOVE, WILL BE PROHIBITED UNLESS CONFORMS WITH THE CITY, I THINK THAT WILL SOLVE THAT ISSUE. RIGHT? YEAH. THE, THE, THE ISSUE IS WHETHER, WHETHER GB TWO IS THE APPROPRIATE ZONING, UH, BECAUSE OF ALL, UH, TODAY IT'S PORTABLE BUILDING SALES. OKAY. MOBILE MINI MOVES OUT IN WHAT MOVES IN A RECYCLING CENTER. A THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WRESTLING WITH RIGHT NOW. ANYONE ELSE HAVE SOMETHING? WELL GO AHEAD. BRIDGE ALL THIS GB STUFF IS A LITTLE CONFUSING. IF, IF IT REMAINS GB, IS PORTABLE BUILDING SALES ALLOWED IN GB? NO. NO, SIR. GB TWO IS REQUIRED TO ASK FOR AN SUP FOR PORTABLE BUILDING CELLS. IT IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT. AND M1. SEE THE SIMPLE SOLUTION IN, IN GLEN'S LITTLE BRAIN WOULD, WOULD BE JUST TO ALLOW THINGS IN, IN ALL OF THE ZONING DISTRICT OR ZONING WITH AN SUP? NO, BECAUSE AGAIN, MAYBE WE'RE OKAY WITH PORTABLE BUILDING SALES BEING THERE, BUT WE DON'T WANT, UM, AN OFFICE WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION CENTER. WELL, IF JUST EVERYTHING WAS ALLOWABLE OVER HERE AND YOU KNOW, YOU JUST SAY, WELL, YEAH YOU CAN, BUT YOU NEED AN SUPP, THEN WE COULD DO IT A [04:30:01] CASE BY CASE BASIS WITHOUT HAVING TO REZONE THE PROPERTY DB TWO. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE ANYWAY? WELL, YEAH. WE DON'T DO THINGS THE EASY WAY AROUND HERE, . 'CAUSE THAT'S SORT OF THE ONE, ONE OF THE ONES COMING UP IS, IS SORT OF LIKE THAT. OKAY. ROGER, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING? I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THIS LIST HERE. SO IF I WANTED TO, TO PUT A GYM, AN ATHLETIC TRAINING CENTER ON THAT PROPERTY, I WOULD HAVE TO HAVE IT REZONED TO GP TWO. OH, OKAY. 'CAUSE IT'S PART OF A HEALTH FITNESS CENTER WOULD BE PERMITTED BY WRIGHT AND GENERAL BUSINESS. OKAY. OKAY. AND WAS THERE EVER ANY CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO JUST PUTTING 'EM ALL UNDER GENERAL BUSINESS AND REQUIRING THE SUP FOR BUS USE TO, OKAY, SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE, WHEN WE LOOK AT LAND USES THAT AUTOMOBILE REPAIR AND SERVICE MAJOR, YOU CAN REQUEST THAT IN GENERAL BUSINESS WITH A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. BUT THEORETICALLY THERE'S AREAS IN THE CITY OF SHIRTS THAT ARE GENERAL BUSINESS THAT AN AUTOBI AUTOMOBILE REPAIR AND MAJOR WOULD BE OKAY. MM-HMM. . SO YOU CAN COME AND YOU CAN REQUEST A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. IT WILL BE EVALUATED. MY THOUGHT PROCESS IN THAT IS, IS THERE, SINCE PORTABLE BUILDING SALES REQUIRES GB TWO WITH AN SUP, THE THOUGHT PROCESS WAS IN GENERAL BUSINESS, IT'S JUST, IT'S NOT PERMITTED, IT'S NOT DESIRABLE IN THE GENERAL BUSINESS ZONING BASED OFF OF WHERE GENERAL BUSINESS ZONING IS WITHIN THE CITY. IT DOES, IT DOES. THANK YOU. IS THE INTENT WITH THE BUILDING TO MAKE A RESTAURANT OR JUST RE REMODEL THE BUILDING FOR AN OFFICE BUILDING PROPERTY HAS A, LET'S SAY TWO TENANTS. WHEN IS A RESTAURANT THAT IS EMPTY AND ONE IS MOGO MINI. OKAY. EH, THE RESTAURANT, EH, IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE'RE PLANNING TO REMODEL AND PUT IT OUT FOR LEASE AS A RESTAURANT. EH, THERE IS, UH, THE FLEA MARKET NEXT DOOR. EH, SOME PEOPLE HAVE ASKING IF THEY CAN, UH, RENT AS A RETAIL. SO IT MAY BE A RESTAURANT, IT MAY BE A RETAIL, YOU KNOW, UH, THE MARKET WILL SAY WHATEVER MAKES IT TO PAY, UH, RENT AND PAY TAXES AND ALL THAT, UH, DIFFERENT ISSUE SO THAT, THAT WE DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT. THAT LOOKS LIKE THAT IS, THAT IS FINE. THE THINGS THE MOBILE MINI IS ACCORDING TO WHAT I HEAR NOW IS THAT OKAY, IT'S NOT ALLOW US, THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF HAVING THE REZONING AND THE REPL TO HAVE IT A CONFORMING. NOW ALL OF THAT HAS BEEN DONE, AND ACCORDING TO THIS, WE WERE SUPPOSED TO, UH, LOOK INTO THIS AND APPROVE IT FOR GB TWO. AND THEN AFTER THAT, GET SOME KIND OF, UH, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE NEXT STEP ON THIS AGENDA, THERE IS SOMETHING THAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE THAT SPECIAL THING OF GB TWO FOR IMMUNITY TO BE ALLOWED. THAT WAS WHERE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE. UM, NOW THE CONCERN IS THAT, AND I I UNDERSTAND IF THERE WAS ANOTHER, UM, ENGINE MACHINERY OR RECYCLING FACILITY OR SOMETHING COMING IN THE FUTURE, HOW WILL THE CITY BE PROTECTED? BECAUSE THEY ARE ALREADY ALLOWED GB TWO, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY INTENTIONS TO DO THAT. I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LOCATION IS GOOD AND WE TRY TO RESPECT, UM, THE RULES. SO MY SOLUTION, IF THERE IS A WAY TO PUT THIS, IS, UM, APPROVED THE GB TWO WITH, FOR MOBILE MINI AND RESTRICTED TO A, ANY OTHER USES THAT WILL BE NON-CONFORMING IN THE FUTURE, THERE WILL BE NO ALLOWED. AND I CAN SIGN THAT AND WE CAN SIGN THAT AS A DEED THAT IN THE FUTURE, IF WE WERE TO SELL THE PROPERTY TO, SO ANYBODY ELSE WILL BE IN THE DEED THAT, UH, NOTHING ELSE CAN BE ALLOWED. IT IS AL THERE ALWAYS WAS INTENDED TO HAVE THE CONTINUANCE OF MORE OF A MINI. WELL, YES SIR, WE APPRECIATE THAT OFFER, BUT, UH, [04:35:01] THE, THE, THE CITY CAN'T LEGALLY ENFORCE THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. UM, THIS HAS COME UP BEFORE AND IT, IT IS JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT BECOMES A CI UH, A A CIVIL ISSUE. AND, AND THE CITY, YOU KNOW, HA HAS NO AUTHORITY TO, TO ENFORCE IT. SO NOW ON THAT, UH, CAN MOIN AS A ENTITY, BIG GRANDFATHER ONLY MOBO MIN NO. ANY OTHER? NO, AND THAT'S NOT THE WAY THAT UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S, AND, AND SEE THAT'S WHY WE'RE CONCERNED. WE, WE HAVE, AND, AND I'M SURE STAFF HAS NO DOUBT OF YOUR INTENTIONS AND WHAT YOU WANT TO PUT THERE, BUT ZONING IS NOT ABOUT YOUR, OR WHAT'S THERE OR WHAT YOU INTEND TO PUT THERE. THE ZONING SAYS, YOU SEE THIS LIST THAT SAYS GB TWO, IF WE APPROVE THE ZONING CHANGE, ANY OF THESE THINGS CAN GO THERE. THERE'S NO WAY FOR US, THE, THE, UM, THE WAY WE RESTRICT IT TO MOBILE, UH, MOBILE MINI IS WITH THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT THAT WILL ONLY WORK FOR PORTABLE BUILDING SALES AND NOT NECESSARILY MOBILE MINI. IF, IF THEY MOVE OUT AND ONE OF THESE SHED MAKERS COMES IN OR SOMETHING, THAT, THAT WOULD STILL BE GOOD. BUT THAT DOESN'T KEEP IN THE FUTURE ANY ONE OF THESE OTHER THINGS COMING AND THAT, THAT'S WHAT THE CONCERN IS. MM-HMM. , IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU. RIGHT. YOUR INTENTIONS OR MOBILE MINI, IT'S ABOUT ZONING IN GENERAL. MM-HMM. . SO THANK YOU. I I I WONDER IF THERE CAN BE SOME, UM, WHERE THE SUNNING REMAINS, YOU KNOW, AS BEST AS THE BENEFIT FOR THE CITY AND JUST HAVE A SPECIAL USE FOR MOBILE MINI OR FOR ONLY FOR CONTAINERS. WELL, THAT, THAT WAS, THAT WAS MY COMMENT ABOUT IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE COULD JUST LEAVE A GENERAL BUSINESS AND GET AN SUP, BUT THAT'S THE SYSTEM IT RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT SET UP THAT WAY. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE CAN DO. SO, BUT THANK YOU. GB TWO DOESN'T HAVE A RESTAURANT IN IT. RIGHT. SO IF, IF WE GO GB TWO, THEN THAT PERMITS A RESTAURANT AND RETAIL WHERE I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE SLIDE YOU HAD UP THERE. THAT'S NOT THE COMPLETE LIST. IT'S NOT THE COMPLETE LIST. THAT'S JUST THE ITEMS THAT ARE PERMITTED IN. UM, OKAY. NO, NEVERMIND. GT TWO VERSUS YOU DON'T NEED TO BRING IT UP, EMILY. THAT'S FINE. COULD, COULD YOU THROW THAT THREE PICTURE SLIDE UP THERE? YEAH, THAT ONE. I'M JUST CURIOUS. YOU SEE, WHAT I REMEMBER IS SEEING THE RESTAURANT AND, BUT YOU WENT BY THAT AND THEN YEAH, I'M JUST HAVING A HARD TIME RECONCILING HIS PHOTOGRAPHS WITH WHAT I REMEMBER SEEING FROM 35. SO THAT'S THE RESTAURANT. OKAY. HOW LONG HAVE THEY BEEN, UH, HAS MOBILE MINI BEEN IN BUSINESS THERE GOTTEN, IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME. WAS IT, WAS IT PERMITTED 24 YEARS AGO? YES. THAT, THAT'S WHY IT'S CONTINUED AS A NON-CONFORMING USE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE CITY CHANGED THE ZONING. WELL, WHEN YOU DO THAT, ANYBODY THAT'S ALREADY OPERATING, IT'S TO STAY AND YEAH. AND THAT'S, THAT'S HOW WE GET THESE NON-CONFORMING USES. BUT WITH NON-CONFORMING USES, THERE'S AN ENTIRE UDC ARTICLE, ARTICLE SEVEN THAT HAS VERY STRICT GUIDELINES ON WHAT A NON-CONFORMING USE CAN DO. THEY CAN'T EXPAND. AND YOU CAN SEE OVER THE YEARS THEY'VE CLEARLY EXPANDED THEIR OPERATIONS. RIGHT. AND WE JUST DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT OR, SO I DON'T WANNA SPEAK TO, YOU KNOW, UM, I MEAN IF YOU DON'T KNOW, I MEAN, YOU, YOU MAYBE YOU WEREN'T HERE, SO, BUT I'M JUST OUT OF, OUT OF SIGHT, OUT OF MIND. I THINK, UH, YOU GET A CHANCE BECAUSE, UH, AGAIN, I REMEMBER YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT THERE WHERE YOU'RE GOING UP THAT HILL TO, UM, 2252, AND SO IT KIND OF SITS OFF TO THE RIGHT AND IT'S UP A LITTLE BIT HIGH. SO YOU DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU REALLY SEE THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY WHEN YOU DRIVE BY IT. SO THESE MIGHT BE, THESE ARE SOME SLIDES OUT OF THE SUP PRESENTATION, BUT THIS IS WHAT IT CURRENTLY LOOKS LIKE. MM-HMM. . SO YOU CAN SEE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A, A FENCING WITH AN UNAPPROVED FENCE MATERIAL, AND THEY'RE STACKED ANYWHERE FROM THREE TO FOUR HIGH AT THIS POINT FROM ON THE PROPERTY. [04:40:01] BUT AGAIN, RIGHT, THIS FIRST CASE IS FOR, IS GB TWO APPROPRIATE. GOTCHA. OKAY, I GOT IT. YEAH. CAN HE LIKE MAKE A, A REQUEST TO HAVE IT, THIS PARTICULAR THING BE SO A REQUEST FOR UDC AMENDMENT TO ALLOW PORTABLE BUILDING SALES IN GB? YEAH. SO WE, HE COULD, UM, WE'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE FULL UDC AMENDMENT PROCESS, COME BACK TO P AND Z FOR THAT, GO TO CITY COUNCIL. UM, OKAY. OKAY. WELL, UH, AGAIN, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA STICK MY NECK OUT HERE, YOU KNOW, WHILE I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF GB TWO I, I, I'M NOT SURE TAKING A LONG TIME, YOU KNOW, UH, UM, LONG TERM, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY THAT'S BEEN IN BUSINESS AND THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR SUCH A LONG TIME AND ALL, AND THEN DROP THE HAMMER ON 'EM AND, UH, YOU KNOW. ALL RIGHTY. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY, THIS IS, UH, ONCE AGAIN, IT'S A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE, DENY APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS. AGAIN, I KNOW I'M LIKE BEATING A DEAD HORSE HERE, BUT THIS FIRST CASE IS, IS GB TWO APPROPRIATE? THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE VOTING ON, NOT MOBILE MINI, NOT THE PORTABLE BUILDING SALES, BUT YEAH. DO WE WANT THIS ACREAGE TO BE G TWO ON 35? I GET IT, EMILY, BUT YOU KNOW HOW HARD IT IS TO SEPARATE THAT. OKAY. I UNDERSTAND. I MEAN, IT'S ONE THING IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PIECE OF VACANT PROPERTY WHERE, WHERE NOTHING'S ON IT, BUT A BUNCH OF SCRUB BRUSH. OH, ANYWAY. ANYONE WANNA MAKE A MOTION? I HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT. OKAY. WE'RE, WE'RE IN A TOUGH SPOT HERE BECAUSE STAFF DOESN'T WANT GB TWO. BUT WHAT'S THE ALTERNATIVE? IF WE SAY NO? I MEAN, IF, IF WE, IF WE APPROVE YOUR RECOMMENDATION AND SAY NO, AND IT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL AND THEY AGREE AND SAYS GB TWO'S NOT APPROPRIATE, WHAT'S OUR ALTERNATIVE TO MODIFY THE UDC OR TELL HIM TO GO AWAY? SO I WOULD SAY, RIGHT, THEY COULD REQUEST TO HAVE A UDC AMENDMENT. BRIAN'S GONNA COME UP, BUT, SO THERE'S RIGHT. THEY COULD REQUEST TO MAKE A UDC AMENDMENT. WE COULD RUN THAT THROUGH THE PROCESS. AND, AND IN THE MEANTIME, HE STAYS NON-CONFORMING WHILE WE TAKE CARE OF OUR ADMINISTRATION ADMINISTRATIVE BUSINESS. YEAH, I MEAN, IF, IF, SO AGAIN, I, I THINK YOU GOT A COUPLE THINGS, AND I THINK EMILY KIND OF TOUCHED ON IT. YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR FUNDAMENTAL KIND OF THING IS AS DIFFICULT AND AS PAINFUL AS IT IS, IS DO YOU ALL WANNA ALLOW MOBILE BUILDING SALES UP AND DOWN 35? RIGHT? AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT IS. SO, YOU KNOW, WE COULD, WE COULD RUN A UDC AMENDMENT TO ALLOW IT IN GB WITH AN SUP. BUT I WILL TELL YOU THEN STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS WHEN THE NEXT GUY COMES IN IN FRONT OF BELMONT OR OR WHEREVER WITH GB AND WESTMONT, WE'RE GONNA SAY, YEP. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT PNZ WANTS TO HAVE HAPPEN. I MEAN, I GET THE, I GET THE STRUGGLE HERE. THE CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE IS THIS NEED TO BE CONSISTENT AND, AND, AND TREAT EVERYBODY IN A KIND OF A CONSISTENT MANNER. AND, AND THAT REALLY BECOMES THE, THE ISSUE. I MEAN, AND, AND AGAIN, WE HAVE, WE HAVE TWO ISSUES HERE I THINK THAT ARE, ARE AT STAND. ONE IS THIS ISSUE OF, YOU KNOW, HI, HIS CONTENTION IS I'M THIS NOT LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING USE ON THIS PART OF IT. AND, AND AGAIN, HE'S GOT CERTAIN THINGS HE'S GOTTA DEAL WITH, BUT COULD CONTINUE THAT WAY THEORETICALLY. BUT IF YOU WANT HIM TO BE ABLE TO GROW AND EXPAND THIS BUSINESS, THE ONLY WAY THAT CAN HAPPEN IS, IS THAT'S THE CASE. AND, AND SO LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. SO WE HAVE COMMISSIONER OUTLAW AND BRO, DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN CHRISTIAN BROTHERS WAS BUILT IN YOUR TENURE HERE? CHRISTIAN BROTHERS IS PARKING VEHICLES IN THE DIRT BEHIND THEIR FACILITY. AND WE DIDN'T REALIZE THAT UNTIL THE RAILROAD CAME IN AND KIND OF CLEARED OUT SOME STUFF AND GO, OH, THEY'VE BEEN DOING THAT IN THEIR ANSWERS. WELL, WE'VE BEEN DOING IT, IT, IT'S IN SOME WAYS THE SAME KIND OF A THING, BUT WE COULDN'T SEE IT. SO WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT. THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF THE CHALLENGE. AND SO THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY. AND LET'S NOT SAY COULDN'T DO IT, BUT, BUT IF YOU WANNA ALLOW IT HERE WHEN THE NEXT GUY WALKS IN, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE TO SAY NO IF, IF EFFECTIVELY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE WANNA ALLOW HIM TO EXPAND THIS THING, THAT THAT'S THE TOUGH PART. THAT'S THE WORD'S HARD. I DON'T HAVE A GOOD ANSWER FOR YOU. THE DIFFERENCE IS HE'S [04:45:01] BEEN HERE FOR 25 YEARS AND IT'S A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS. NOW IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO COME IN DOWN THE ROAD AND PUT ONE IN, SO, SO IF YOU'RE THAT'S BRAND NEW, I'D PROBABLY SAY NO. SO, SO IF WE, BUT BUT AGAIN, IS WHAT YOU WANT IS TO ALLOW HIM TO EXPAND AND CONTINUE TO EXPAND AS MUCH AS HE EVER WANTS. OR IS IT HE WAS HERE ON THIS PART AND HE CAN KEEP DOING THAT PART? 'CAUSE, 'CAUSE AGAIN, I WILL TELL YOU THIS, THIS IS IN THE BACK CORNER. EVERY BUSINESS WE'VE GOT VIRTUALLY WHERE WE STRUGGLE THAT THEY STARTED OUT ONE WAY AND THEY'VE, THEY'VE GROWN AND EXPANDED WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS, NOT PERFORMING. THEIR ANSWER HAS BEEN, 'CAUSE OUR BUSINESS IS GOOD AND WE WERE OUTTA ROOM AND SO WE JUST GREW IT. RIGHT? SO THE, THE COLLISION PLACE ON BORG FELD, RIGHT? JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 3 0 1 9, THEY GOT, THEY GOT CARS PARKED ALL OVER THE, THE GRASSY AREA WHERE THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO, AT THE BACK OF THAT, THEY'VE BEEN HERE FOREVER. YOU CAN ARGUE, RIGHT? SO, SO IF THE ANSWER IS, AND I'M, I'M, I MEAN THIS SINCERELY THAT IF A BUSINESS OWNER WAS HERE AT ONE POINT, AND WHAT THEY STARTED WITH WAS IN KEEPING WITH THE CODES, THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THINGS, NOT IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE CODE BECAUSE THEY'VE OUTGROWN THEIR SPACE, THEN, THEN WE WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES. 'CAUSE THAT'S THE STRUGGLE THAT STAFF DEALS WITH, RIGHT? AND, AND THAT'S WHERE THEN WE GET THE CALLS GOING, HOW COME YOU'RE LETTING THEM THEM DO THAT? BUT I'M EMPATHETIC. I I REALLY AM. BUT THE CHALLENGE WE HAVE IS YOU JUST NEED TO UNDERSTAND THERE ARE IMPLICATIONS TO THIS THAT BECOME PROBLEMATIC. AND SO IF THE ANSWER IS WE'RE WILLING TO ALLOW MOBILE BUILDING STORAGE ON 35, YEAH, WE CAN RUN A CODE AMENDMENT, ALLOW IT IN, IN THE GB DISTRICT. NOW KEEP IN MIND WHERE ALL WE, WHERE, WHERE ALL WE HAVE GB AND, AND YOU KNOW, THEY COULD DO IT SO THEY CAN KEEP IT, BUT NOT TO THE EXTENT OF WHAT THEY'VE EXPANDED TO. YEAH, YEAH. I MEAN, 'CAUSE 'CAUSE THOSE ARE WHAT THE PHOTOS, YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE WHERE THEY'VE EXPANDED OVER THE YEARS AFTER THEY STARTED THAT, THAT THE ZONING DID NOT ALLOW THAT. WHAT'S THE ACREAGE ON THAT? SO I, I AM ALL FOR NEEDING THE CONSISTENCY. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE KIND OF STRUGGLED WITH A LOT OF. YEP. THE THINGS THAT'S COME BEFORE US, THE, THE CHALLENGE THAT I'M HAVING IS THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE BEEN FUNCTIONING WITH THIS BUSINESS OUT OF COMPLIANCE FOR SO LONG. MM-HMM. . SO IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE REGARDING THAT PIECE, RIGHT? YEP. BUT YET THEY'VE STILL BEEN ALLOWED TO OPERATE. YEAH, I MEAN, AND AGAIN, I'LL GIVE YOU THE EXAMPLE. IT'S THE CHRISTIAN BROTHERS MM-HMM. RIGHT? MM-HMM , IT'S, IT'S, WE DON'T SORT OF SEE IT, IT AGAIN, I CAN'T SAY HOW LONG IT WAS IGNORED VERSUS DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON KIND OF A THING. BUT, BUT YEAH, THIS IS A BIT OF THE CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE IS, YOU KNOW, I I I THINK WE'VE EITHER GOTTA ENFORCE THE CODES AND DO IT CONSISTENTLY OR WE NEED TO CHANGE THE CODES TO, TO LET THIS STUFF HAPPEN. I, YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY WHY HAVE THE CODES IF WE'RE NOT GONNA ENFORCE 'EM? YEAH. I I I'M I'M WITH YOU AS WELL. YEAH. YEAH. SO, AND, AND I GUESS I'M, I'M JUST NOT REAL CLEAR ON WHAT THE POSITION OF THE CITY IS AT THIS POINT. WELL, BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, I WATCHED THEIR VIDEO THE OTHER NIGHT AND AGAIN, IT WAS A VARIANCE FOR SIGNS WERE PERMITS ISSUED A PERMIT WHERE THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE. YEP. AND SO UNLESS I MISUNDERSTOOD, UH, BOA APPROVED THAT VARIANCE ALLOW 'EM TO KEEP THAT SIGN. YEP. SO HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT THAN THIS WHERE WE'VE GOT A BUSINESS THAT THE CITY HAS LET IS JUST, YOU KNOW, SO, SO YEAH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER OUTLAW IN YOUR CAREER HERE, IT'S ONE THING WHERE CITY MADE AN ERROR, ISSUED A PERMIT IN ERROR. IT'S ANOTHER WHERE AGAIN, SO, SO, AND I MEAN THIS SINCERELY, AND I'LL TAKE IT TO THE NEXT, IF THE ANSWER IS HOW LONG DOES SOMEBODY GET AWAY WITH SOMETHING BEFORE WE STOP 'EM? AND THEN YOU SAY AT THAT POINT, WE'RE GONNA LET 'EM KEEP DOING IT [04:50:01] A MONTH, SIX MONTHS. AND I GET, I GET, WE CAN GO TO EXTREMES, RIGHT? BUT, BUT I I LITERALLY, WE SAY HOW MANY CASES DO WE HAVE WHERE PEOPLE, WHERE WE'VE GONE, WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO DEAL WITH THEM THAT HAVE DONE THINGS IN VIOLATION OF THE CODE THAT ARE OUTSTANDING. HOW MANY OF THOSE DO WE HAVE PENDING, WOULD YOU GUESS? YEAH, WE ARE, WE ARE DOING, WE ARE LITERALLY, SO LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. WE ARE DOING A SPECIAL WORKSHOP WITH COUNSEL ON THE 26TH TO LITERALLY TAKE THEM WHERE, WHERE AGAIN, ALMOST ON A WEEKLY BASIS PEOPLE ARE DOING THINGS IN VIOLATION OF THE CODE EVERY TIME WE DRIVE UP. THE LATEST WAS WE GOT A GUY WHO MOVED AN, WHAT IS IT, RV OUT THERE AND IS SET UP A LITTLE THING WITH PLANTS AROUND IT AND IS STORING HIS CORVETTE ON THE GRASS AND DIRT ON A TARP AND, AND IS THEIR WATER OR SEWER NO, NO, NO PENALTY FOR THAT? NO. WELL, AGAIN, CONSEQUENCE AGAIN, LEMME, LEMME KIND OF GO, OKAY, HOW, HOW LONG TILL WE CAUGHT THE GUY, DOES THE COMMISSION TAKE THE STAND? WELL, HE IS BEEN DOING IT AND NOW YOU'RE JUST STOPPING HIM. SO, SO MY POINT IS, ALL I WOULD OFFER IS I DON'T, I THINK YOU WOULD BE SURPRISED TO LEARN HOW OFTEN WE HAVE PEOPLE JUST GO DO STUFF AND HOW MANY OF THOSE CASES AND WHY IT IS A CHALLENGE FOR US TO CATCH EVERYBODY DOING ALL OF THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE DOING. IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S, WE GOT ONE OR TWO AND WE'RE LITERALLY DOING THIS, THIS SPECIAL WORKSHOP COUNSEL, AND HERE'S ALL THIS STUFF GOING ON. I JUST THINK THIS IS AN EASY WAY TO THINK ABOUT IT. HE'S BEEN SPEEDING FOR 25 YEARS AND HE FINALLY GOT CAUGHT. AND SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, HE'S GOTTA PAY HIS TICKET. AND SO JUST BECAUSE HE'S BEEN SPEEDING AND HE HASN'T BEEN CAUGHT FOR 25 YEARS DOESN'T MEAN WE ALLOW HIM TO CONTINUE TO SPEED. AND SO AS THE, AS THE LONG ARM OF THE LAW, AS THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE, OF THE CITY OF SHIRTS, WE HAVE TO ENFORCE OUR UDC AND OUR CODES, ESPECIALLY WHEN STAFF IS TELLING US THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT US TO DO. AND NOW RE NOW REMEMBER THIS IS JUST A RECOMMENDATION TO STAFF, I MEAN, TO, TO COUNCIL, COUNCIL CAN GO, NO, THEY WERE WRONG. LET HIM DO WHAT HE WANTS TO DO. SO I THINK WE'RE BELABORING THE POINT OF JUST SAYING THAT, HEY LISTEN, HE'S, HE'S OUTTA CODE AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE HE'S IN CODE BEFORE HE CONTINUES. UH, SIR, I IF, IF SOMEBODY HAD A QUESTION FOR YOU, I'D LET YOU SPEAK, BUT APPROVE, DENY, APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS. I NO. OKAY. UH, IF SOMEBODY HAD A SPECIFIC QUESTION FOR YOU THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE, BUT IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE FOR LET YOU GET BACK UP HERE AND DEFEND YOURSELF. OKAY. I'M JUST, SORRY. SO IF WE'RE DONE TALKING, SOMEBODY WANNA MAKE A MOTION, I MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO, UM, I GUESS IT'S APPROVE YOUR DENIAL. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE NO, THEY'RE RECOMMENDING, YOU'RE RECOMMENDING TO DENY IT. SO I I YOU WOULD RECOMMEND TO DENY THE ZONING REQUEST. OKAY, THANK YOU. I RECOMMEND, UH, DENIAL P LZ C 2 MILLION 24 0 0 7. I HAVE A SECOND. A SECOND. UH, COMMISSIONER BROWN AGAIN? YES, WELL WE'LL ANSWER THAT ONE WHEN WE COME TO IT. ALRIGHT, SO I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF PLZC 20 24 0 0 0 7 TO CITY COUNCIL. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR COMMENT? AND AGAIN, A A YES VOTE IS TO DENY SO CAST YOUR VOTES PLEASE. OKAY. I AM MISSING SOMEBODY. THERE YOU GO. ALRIGHT, I HAVE SIX VOTES. WOULD YOU POST THAT PLEASE? I HAVE FOUR AYES TO OPPOSE THAT MOTION PASSES. SO AGAIN, THIS WILL BE ON THE CITY COUNCIL AGENDA, UH, AND YOU'LL HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY. ALL RIGHT. NO, NO SIR. THIS, IT, IT, THIS ISSUE'S CLOSED. SO, [04:55:10] SO WHAT DO WE DO WITH THE, SO NOW WE HAVE, UH, IS IS IS THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT OR IS THAT'S A SEPARATE ITEM. WE'LL MAKE A SECOND SEPARATE RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL. OKAY, SO WE'RE NOT DONE YET. OKAY. SO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. P-L-S-P-U 20 24 0 0 0 9 HOLD IN PUBLIC HEARING AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO ALLOW PORTABLE BUILDING SALES IN GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT TWO ON APPROXIMATELY 11.7 ACRES OF LAND KNOWN AS KAMAU COUNTY PROPERTY ID NUMBER IS 7 8 0 5 3 1 1 6 2 6 6. GUADALUPE COUNTY PROPERTY ID NUMBER IS 6 8 3 2 7 6 8 3 2 9 1 1 4 0 8 0 AND 1 1 4 0 8 2. GENERALLY LOCATED 500 FEET WEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF FM 2252 AND IH 35 FRONTAGE ROAD, CITY OF SHE GUADALUPE COUNTY IN KAMAU COUNTY, TEXAS. GOOD EVENING. P-L-S-P-U 20 24 0 0 9. REQUEST FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR PORTABLE BUILDING CELLS ON 11.7 ACRES. DAISY MARQUEZ PLANNER, AGAIN, HERE'S THE SUBJECT PROPERTY OUTLINED IN GREEN. THEY'RE PROPOSING A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT IN GBT FOR PORTABLE BUILDING SALES. ON FEBRUARY 21ST WE SENT SEVEN PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES. WE RECEIVED ZERO RESPONSES AND TWO SIGNS WERE POSTED ON THE PROPERTY. SO TO THE NORTH WE HAVE IH 35 NORTH ACCESS ROAD RIGHT OF WAY TO THE SOUTH. AGAIN THE PARCEL SEPARATED BY GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AND SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT AND IT IS VACANT TO THE EAST. WE HAVE PROPERTY ZONE GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT WITH AN APPROVED SEP FOR CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS PUMPS THAT IT IS CURRENTLY VACANT. AND THEN TO THE WEST WE HAVE THE PRIVATE RIGHT OF WAY KNOWN AS DEN HILL. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR APPROXIMATELY 11 ACRES OF LAND TO ALLOW PORTABLE BUILDING CELLS WITHIN THE GENERAL BUSINESS TWO DISTRICT. THE APPLICANT IS ALSO REQUESTING A ZONE CHANGE TO GENERAL BUSINESS TWO DISTRICT IN ADDITION TO THIS SUP AND AS PER THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE SECTION 2158, A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT IS REQUIRED FOR PORTABLE BUILDING CELLS IN GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT TWO. AND PER THE LETTER OF INTENT SUBMITTED WITH THE APPLICATION, THE APPLICANT IS DESIRING TO BRING THEIR PROPERTY, UM, CURRENT NON-CONFORMING LAND USE OF PORTABLE BUILDING SALES AND GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT INTO CONFORMANCE WITH THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. ALTHOUGH THE LAND USE WOULD NO LONGER BE NON-CONFORMING IF THE ZONE CHANGE AND THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT ARE APPROVED, THE APPLICANT WAS STILL NEED TO PLOT THE PROPERTY, PROVIDE IMPROVEMENT, SUBMIT A SITE PLAN, DEMONSTRATE COMPLIANCE WITH THE UDC AND RECEIVE A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. AND HERE IS THE SEP EXHIBIT FOR THAT PROPERTY. SO WE GO OFF OF UDC SECTION 21 5 11 D CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL. THE PROPOSED USE THAT THE SPECIFY LOCATION IS CONSISTENT WITH THE POLICIES EM EMBODIED IN THE ADOPTED COMPREHENSIVE LAND PLAN. THE PROPOSED SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO ALLOW PORTABLE BUILDING CELLS DOES NOT MEET THE INTENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN. THE CURRENT COMP PLAN DESIGNATES THE SUBJECT PROPERTY'S COMMERCIAL CAMPUS WITH SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. AND THE COMMERCIAL CAMPUS LAND USE DESIGNATION IS INTENDED TO ENCOURAGE THE DEVELOPMENT OF LOWER INTENSITY COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE USES AS A BUFFER BETWEEN I 35 AND ADJOINING NEIGHBORHOODS AND SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL IS INTENDED FOR A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL WITH SOME COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES THAT SUPPORT THE DAILY ACTIVITIES OF DEVELOPMENT. THE REQUESTED SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO ALLOW PORTABLE BUILDING CELLS ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS A USE THAT DOES NOT MEET THE INTENT OF LOWER INTENSITY COMMERCIAL AND IS NOT A COMPATIBLE TRANSITIONAL USE FROM I 35 NORTH ACCESS ROAD TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE REQUESTED SPECIFIC USE PERMIT ADDITIONALLY REQUIRES A ZONE CHANGE TO GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT TWO AND THE USES ALLOWED WITHIN GB TWO ARE NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE INTENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN. LAND USE DESIGNATIONS. TWO, THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PURPOSE AND INTENT OF THE APPLICABLE ZONING DISTRICT REGULATIONS. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AND GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE SUITABLE AREAS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF NON-RESIDENTIAL USES. THAT MAY INCLUDE RETAIL AND SERVICE ESTABLISHMENTS THAT ARE GENERALLY ORIENTED TOWARDS SERVING THE OVERALL NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY AND ARE USUALLY LOCATED ALONG PRINCIPAL TRANSPORTATION ROUTES. PORTABLE BUILDING SALES REQUIRES A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT IN THE GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT TWO, THUS THERE IS A ZONE CHANGE APPLICATION ACCOMPANYING THIS SUP APPLICATION AND PORTABLE BUILDING CELLS IS PERMITTED BY WRIGHT AND MANUFACTURING DISTRICT LIGHT M1. THE GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT TWO IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE SUITABLE AREAS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF NON-RESIDENTIAL AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AREA L LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES THAT OFFER A WIDE VARIETY OF RETAIL AND SERVICE ESTABLISHMENTS [05:00:01] ORIENTED TOWARDS SERVING THE COMMUNITY AND ARE APPROPRIATELY DESIGNED WITH ATTRACTIVE LANDSCAPING ALONG PRINCIPAL TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS. AND ALTHOUGH THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ALONG I 35 NORTH ACCESS ROAD, THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES WITHIN THE GB TWO ZONING THAT IS BEING REQUESTED WITH THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA. THREE, THE PROPOSED USE IS COMPATIBLE WITH AND PRESERVES THE CHARACTER INTEGRITY OF ADJACENT DEVELOPMENTS AND NEIGHBORHOODS AND INCLUDES IMPROVEMENTS EITHER ONSITE OR WITHIN THE PUBLIC RIGHTS WAY TO MITIGATE DEVELOPMENT RELATED ADVERSE IMPACTS SUCH AS SAFETY TRAFFIC, NOISE ORDERS, VISUAL NUISANCES, DRAINAGE OR OTHER SIMILAR ADVERSE EFFECTS TO ADJACENT DEVELOPMENT IN NEIGHBORHOODS. THE PROPOSED PORTABLE BUILDING CELLS USED IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH AND DOES NOT PRESERVE THE INTEGRITY AND THE CHARACTER OF ADJACENT DEVELOPMENT IN NEIGHBORHOODS WITH RECENTLY APPROVED ZONE CHANGES IN CURRENT ACTIVE DEVELOPMENTS. THE AREA OF I 35 NORTH ACCESS ROADS FROM CIVIL VALLEY DRIVE TO FM 2252 IS ACTIVELY TRANSFORMING INTO A CORRIDOR THAT PROVIDES SERVICES WITH RETAIL, RESTAURANTS AND COMMERCIAL THAT SERVES THE LOCAL EXISTING AND NEW RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS. THE BUSINESS IS ALSO CURRENTLY STACKING PORTABLE BUILDINGS ON TOP OF EACH OTHER WITH EACH, EACH PORTABLE BUILDING RANGING FROM EIGHT FEET TO A MAXIMUM OF 20 FEET AND HEIGHT. AND ADDITIONALLY, THE PROPERTY WOULD NEED TO PROVE COMPLIANCE WITH UDC CODE SECTION 28 21 89 FOR GENERAL OUTDOOR STORAGE, WHICH REQUIRES A GENERAL OUTDOOR STORAGE BE A MAXIMUM OF 20 FEET, 20 FEET AND HEIGHT, BE COMPLETELY ENCLOSED OR MOVED TO THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE AND IN NO EVENT BE VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. AND ADDITIONALLY, THE SUBJECT PRO PROPERTY DOES NOT BEAT THE INTENT, DOES NOT BEAT THE REQUIREMENTS UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE ARTICLE NINE, SITE DE DESIGN DESIGN STANDARDS AND ARTICLE 10 DUE TO THE USE OF PROHIBITIVE FENCE MATERIAL AND UNPAVED SERVICES. AND HERE AGAIN ARE THOSE PICTURES OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OR THE PROPOSED USE DOES NOT GENERATE PEDESTRIAN VEHICULAR TRAFFIC WHICH WILL BE HAZARDOUS OR CONFLICT WITH THE EXISTING ANTICIPATED TRAFFIC IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THE PROPOSED PORTABLE BUILDING SALES USE CURRENTLY USES ACCESS ALONG I 35 NORTH ACCESS ROAD, WHICH IS THE ONE WE WERE FOR THE EXISTING BUSINESS. ANY NEW PROPOSED ACCESS POINTS ALONG I 35 ACCESS ROAD WILL BE REVIEWED BY THE CITY OF SHE'S ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION. AND FIVE, THE PROPOSED USE INCORP INCORPORATES ROADWAY ADJUSTMENTS, TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES OR MECHANISMS AND ACCESS RESTRICTIONS TO CONTROL TRAFFIC FLOW ARE DIVERT TRAFFIC AS MAY BE NEEDED TO REDUCE OR ELIMINATE DEVELOPMENT GENERATED TRAFFIC ON NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS. ACCESS TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS ONLY ALONG IH 35 NORTH ACCESS ROAD, WHICH IS A WIND WE ROAD. AND AGAIN ANY NEW PROPOSED ACCESS POINTS ALONG I 35 NORTH ACCESS ROAD WILL BE REVIEWED BY THE CITY OF SHES ENGINEER DEPARTMENT AND THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION. SIX. THE PROPOSED USE INCORPORATES FEATURES TO MINIMIZE ADVERSE EFFECTS INCLUDING VISUAL IMPACTS OF THE PROPOSED USE ON ADJACENT PROPERTIES. IF THE ZONE CHANGE TO GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT TWO AND THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO ALLOW PORTABLE BUILDING CELLS IS APPROVED, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WILL HAVE TO MEET ALL SITE DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS WITHIN THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES OF THE SOUTH AND EAST ARE ZONE GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AND ARE NOT CURRENTLY BEING USED FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. AS A RESULT, NO ADDITIONAL SCREENING REQUIREMENTS FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES IS REQUIRED. ADDITIONALLY, ALL OUTDOOR DISPLAY AND STORAGE REQUIREMENTS IN ARTICLE EIGHT OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE WILL NEED TO BE MET. SEVEN. THE PROPOSED USE MEETS THE STANDARDS FOR THE ZONING DISTRICT OR TO THE EXTENT VARIATIONS FROM SUCH AGENDAS HAVE BEEN REQUESTED JUST AS VARIATIONS ARE NECESSARY TO RENDER THE USE COMPATIBLE WITH THE JOINING DEVELOPMENT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE PROPOSED USE WILL HAVE TO MEET ALL DIMENSIONAL AND DESIGN REQUIREMENTS OF THE GENERAL BI TWO DISTRICT AS MENTIONED IN UDC SECTION 2157 AND NO VARIATIONS TO THE REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN REQUESTED. AND EIGHT, THE PROPOSED USE PROMOTES THE HEALTH, SAFETY OR GENERAL WELFARE OF THE CITY IN THE SAFE, ORALLY EFFICIENT AND HEALTHFUL DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY. AND AS PART OF PROMOTING HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE FOR THE CITY SHOULD ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING USES, UTILIZING STANDARDS AND TRADI TRANSITIONAL USES TO ALLEVIATE NEGATIVE IMPACT FOR THE SAFE, ORDERLY AND EFFICIENT AND HELPFUL DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY. GIVEN THE INTENSITY OF THE REQUESTED SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR PORTABLE BUILDING CELLS, ITS INCOMPATIBILITY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN LINE USE DESIGNATIONS AND PORTABLE BUILDING SALES NOT BEING AN APPROPRIATE TRANSITIONAL USE. THE PROPOSED SPECIFIC USE PERMIT DOES NOT PROMOTE THE SAFE OR EFFICIENT AND HELPFUL DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY. AND NO APPLICATION MADE UNDER THESE PROVISIONS WILL RECEIVE FINAL APPROVAL UNTIL ALL BACK TAXES OWED TO THE CITY HAVE BEEN PAID IN FULL. AND THIS IS NOT IMPACT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL AND 10 OTHER CRITERIA WHICH AT THE DISCRETION OF THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL ARE DEEMED RELEVANT AND IMPORTANT IN THE CONSIDERATION OF THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. STAFF HAS ENSURE ALL UDC REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN MET FOR THE PROPOSED SPECIFIC USE PERMIT AND AT THIS TIME HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION OR CITY COUNCIL. AND GIVEN THE INTENSITY OF THE REQUESTED SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR PORTABLE BUILDING CELLS, ITS INCOMPATIBILITY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE LAND USE LAND USE PLAN, LAND USE DESIGNATIONS AND PORTABLE BUILDING CELLS NOT BEING AN APPROPRIATE TRANSITIONAL USE TO SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL [05:05:01] P-L-S-P-U 20 24 0 0 9 SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR PORTABLE BUILDING CELLS AT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. UM, ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, PROBABLY TWO YEARS AGO, UH, I WAS TOLD BY THE CITY PLANNING THAT I NEEDED TO BE TO A PROCESS REP REPLYING IN ORDER TO HAVE THIS CONFORMING. UM, I UNDERSTAND THE, THE ANALOGY ABOUT THE SPEEDING, UM, KEEPING SOMETHING WRONG FOR A LONG TIME DOESN'T MAKE IT RIGHT. HOWEVER, I HAVE TO SAY THAT THIS WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT I'VE BEEN SPEEDING PURPOSELY OR NOT SPEEDING AT ALL. WHAT HAPPENED IS THAT IN THE PROPERTY WE HAVE HAD A RESTAURANTS NOT, NOT MINE, BUT TENANTS IN EVERY SINGLE TIME THERE HAS BEEN A APPLICATION FOR A SEA OBO. UH, WHEN OMI MOVING THERE, I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY DID NOT APPLY, PROBABLY BECAUSE BEFORE THEY MOVED WE USED TO HAVE A SMALL FURNITURE. UH, THE FURNITURE WAS, UH, APPROVED, WAS UH, UM, HAD A C OVO AND THEN WE CLOSED THE FURNITURE STORE SHORTLY AFTER THAT IS WHEN MO MINI MOVED. SO THIS IS 20 SOME, 25 YEARS AGO THEY MOVED, BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAD A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR THE RESTAURANT AND THE INSPECTORS KEPT GOING TO MY PROPERTY AND WE WERE NEVER TOLD, WE WERE NEVER AWARE THAT WE NEEDED A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR MORE MEANING. IF THAT WILL HAVE BEEN THE CASE, THAT WILL HAVE BEEN DONE THERE ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM. WE HAD ALL THE REQUIREMENTS AND EVERYTHING. NOW THE SO CHANGE WHEN MORINI WAS THERE, IT WAS ALLOWED BY SONY. SO IT WAS NOT LIKE WE WERE SPEEDING OR THEY WERE SPEEDING. IT WAS ALLOWED. SO THEY MOVE IN THERE. THERE WAS NO CHANGE OF SONY UNTIL AFTER THEY HAVE MOVED THERE. SO NOW, UH, AFTER THEY MOVE AND WE KNEW THAT UH, UH, THERE WAS A REQUIREMENT TO GET A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY IMMEDIATELY WE CALLED INSPECTIONS TO GET THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. UH, THEY TOLD US THAT WE NEEDED TO HAVE A PROCESS. THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN TAKEN A YEAR AND A HALF IN THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. IF WE WILL HAVE BEEN TOLD FROM THE BEGINNING, FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT THAT THEY WERE GOING TO DENY IT, I WILL HAVE TRIED TO DO WORK SOMETHING WITH ON A TIMETABLE. SO, AND WE WILL NOT HAVE TO SPEND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS. NOW THERE IS A GAS STATION NEXT TO US, IT WAS HIS APPROVED. UM, I BELIEVE THAT A GAS STATION PRESENTS MORE. I DON'T OPPOSE A GAS STATION. I THINK IT'S A WONDERFUL BUSINESS, BUT IT PRESENTS MORE, UH, HEALTH HAZARDS THAN LEASE OR SELL OF CONTAINERS. UH, ANOTHER THING IS THAT I HEARD THAT THERE WAS SOME KIND OF FEAR OF EXPANSION. WE CANNOT EXPAND ANYMORE. THE LAND THAT WE HAVE, THE 11 ACRES, THE PART THAT IS USED BY MOBILE MINI AND THE PART THAT IS BEING USED FOR THE RESTAURANT IS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO WAY THAT, UH, WE CAN, UH, MOBILE MIN DOESN'T NEED TO TO EXPAND. NOT, NOT ANYMORE. AND IT'S NOT EVEN FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE FOR US TO ALLOW MO MIN TO MOVE INTO THE RESTAURANT. THE RESTAURANT CREATES MORE LEASE AND ONCE IT'S REMODELED, IT IS GOING TO CREATE MORE RENTS. SO I REALLY THINK THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE DID HAVE CERTIFICATES OF, OF ANCY FOR THE RESTAURANT IN THE ACTUAL BUILDING WITH MO MINI IS HAS THEIR OFFICES. WE DID HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF FOR A FURNITURE STORE. UH, SO THERE IS NO SOMETHING THAT WE WERE, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO SPEED OR PURPOSELY DOING SOMETHING WRONG. WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO THINGS AND WE HAD, THROUGH THAT COURSE OF THE YEARS, WE HAD INSPECTORS GOING TO THE RESTAURANT, APPROVE THE RESTAURANT. SOMETIMES THEY TOLD US WE NEED TO MODIFY SOMETHING AND WE DID IMMEDIATELY. YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE NOT TRYING TO, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE, UH, I I HEARD EXAMPLE OF SOME CHRISTIAN [05:10:01] BROTHERS THAT DID THIS OR THAT OR YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR, WE HAVE A FURNITURE STORE. WE'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR 35 YEARS. WE ARE NOT IN BUSINESS FOR 35 YEARS. IF YOU TRY TO DO THESE NAKED THINGS HERE OR THERE, YOU KNOW, IT WAS NEVER AN INTENTION TO DO THAT. WE DID HAVE SEA OF OS ON THAT PROPERTY ON DIFFERENT BUSINESSES FOR SOME REASON. I DON'T KNOW, I IMAGINE THE MOBILE MINI HAD THEIR OFFICES ON A DIFFERENT LOCATION AND THEY FIRST MOVE ONLY TO HAVE SOME CONTAINERS AND THEN EVENTUALLY THEY MOVED THEIR OFFICES TO WHERE WE HAD THE FURNITURE STORE. SO, AND THE SOON, AS SOON AS WE KNEW THAT MOM DIDN'T HAVE A CERTIFICATE, ANCY, WE APPLIED FOR IT. SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO SPEED OR TRYING TO DO THINGS A SNEAKY WAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S, THAT'S NOT, NOT AN INTENTIONAL EXTENSION. DO THE THINGS PROPERLY. AND WE WERE LED TO BELIEVE THAT SPENDING DOING THE REPLANTING, UH, WE HAVE TO HIRE COOK ENGINEERING, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, PROBABLY CLOSE TO 20,000. SO DOLLARS THAT WE SPEND ON THAT IN OVER A YEAR AND A HALF OF DOING THAT. AND WE WERE LEAD TO BELIEVE THAT AFTER THIS PROCESS WE WILL HAVE THIS APPROVED. THE GB TWO AND THE GB TWO WAS RECOMMENDED BY MRS. MARCUS. I TALKED TO HER SEVERAL TIMES, SHE TALKED TO THE ENGINEERING AND SHE SAYS THAT'S THE BEST ROUTE TO DO. LET'S GO TO GB TWO AND THEN WE DO THIS PASS. THIS STEP WAS NOT MY IDEA. THE STEP WE'RE GOING RIGHT NOW WAS NOT MY IDEA WAS HER IDEA. WE APPROVED THE GB TWO AND THEN WE GO THROUGH THIS. SO 25 YEARS OF A GOOD BUSINESS, THERE IS SEVERAL, IF YOU GO NORTH SAN MARCOS PHOS, THERE IS SEVERAL, UH, CONTAINER BUILDINGS THAT THE CONTAINER SELLS. THEY'RE DOING EXACTLY THE SAME. WE'RE DOING CYCLING BUSINESS. IT'S, THERE'S, IT DOESN'T INVOLVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC. WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF EMPLOYEES. THERE IS, IT'S A VERY CLEAN BUSINESS. MUCH IS GOING TO USE MUCH LESS TRAFFIC THAN A GAS STATION. AND THEN AGAIN, I APPROVE, I'M VERY HAPPY THE GAS STATION IS GONNA MOVE IN THERE. I THINK IT'S, IT'S PART OF BUSINESS FOR LIFE. WE HAVE A GAS STATION GOING THERE. IT'S GONNA CREATE A LOT OF TRAFFIC. THAT'S GOOD. THAT'S, IT'S ON 35. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU SIR. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS ALSO A PUBLIC HEARING. IT IS NOW, UM, 1119 AND I WILL KNOW WHY THIS PEN QUITS. IT IS FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. ALRIGHT, IT'S 1119. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. ANYBODY? SURE. COME ON UP. YOU GOT THREE MINUTES. NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PLEASE? UM, IT'S CLAIRE CARILLO. I'VE NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE, SO FORGIVE ME, I'M A LITTLE TIRED. UM, MY ADDRESS IS 53 70 PER ROAD SAN ANTONIO. SO, UM, YES, SO I'M, I'M RON'S WIFE AND WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR MANY YEARS. UM, WE HAVE NEVER INTENDED TO BE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALWAYS TRIED TO DO THINGS. A COUPLE, I I HATE TO SAY THIS BUT I'M GOING TO. A FEW YEARS AGO OUR REALTORS CAME AND THEY WANTED TO BUY OUR PROPERTY AND THEY TOLD US THEY WANTED TO, THERE WAS A GAS STATION, A HUGE COMPANY AND THEY WANTED TO HAVE A GAS STATION AND DO ALL THIS STUFF. AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT 'CAUSE IT WAS A GOOD OFFER. UM, BUT WE WANTED THIS AS A, AN INHERITANCE FOR MY CHIL OUR CHILDREN. I'M 62 TODAY. AND THIS WE DECIDED THAT WE WERE NOT GOING TO DO THAT 'CAUSE WE WANTED IT AS AN INHERITANCE FROM OUR CHILDREN. AND I HAD THIS BAD FEELING AFTER THAT AND I THOUGHT SOMETHING'S GONNA HAPPEN BECAUSE SOMETHING'S GONNA HAPPEN. AND SURE ENOUGH, IT WAS NOT SIX MONTHS AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY, THE CITY COMES DOWN ON MOBILE MINI AND OUT OF THE BLUE AGAIN AFTER OVER 20 YEARS. IT JUST WAS VERY STRANGE TO ME. WE'VE GIVEN THE COUNTY, AL COUNTY AND GUADALUPE COUNTY PROBABLY CLOSE TO A MILLION DOLLARS IN PROPERTY TAXES OVER THE YEARS BECAUSE OF MOBILE MINI AND BECAUSE OF MOBILE MINI, WE'RE PAYING A LOT OF PROPERTY TAXES THERE. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT POINT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE FOR SO LATE. ANYONE ELSE? 1122. [05:15:01] I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. THE PUBLIC INPUT COMMISSIONERS. NOW THIS IS A SEPARATE WHILE IT'S CONNECTED TO THE ZONING ISSUE. YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU CAN LOOK AT IT THIS WAY. IF COUNCIL WERE TO APPROVE GB TWO, WOULD YOU BE OKAY WITH PORTABLE BUILDING SALES? THINK THAT'S THE WAY TO LOOK AT THIS ONE. ALRIGHT, IF COUNT RIGHT NOW WE'VE RECOMMENDED DENIAL OF THE ZONE CHANGE, AND IF, UM, COUNCIL DECIDES TO DENY IT, THEN THE SUP BECOMES A MOOT POINT. BUT AT THIS POINT, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT COUNCIL IS GOING TO DO. SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT COUNCIL MIGHT APPROVE THE ZONING CHANGE. IF THEY DO, WHAT DO WE WANT TO TELL 'EM ABOUT THE SUP? WOULD WE BE OKAY WITH PORTABLE BUILDING SALES IN G GB TWO IF THEY WERE TO APPROVE THAT MOVE? GO AHEAD, DANIEL. UM, I'M CURIOUS, UH, WHAT, GOSH, LIKE HOW TO PREVENT THIS FOR THE FUTURE. ARE WE, LIKE WHAT, WHAT STEPS HAVE THIS, HAS THE CITY TAKEN TO, UH, LIKE ALERT THEM OF THIS? THEY SAID WITHOUT WITHIN THE LAST SIX MONTHS, BUT WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON? RIGHT. SO, SO, SO WHAT I WOULD SAY IS JUST, 'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S KIND OF A CODE ENFORCEMENT THING RELATED IS, UM, Y YOU KNOW, PART OF IT IS WE NEED TO AGGRESSIVELY ENFORCE OUR CODES WITH, WITH LITTLE TOLERANCE OR NO TOLERANCE FOR VIOLATIONS. IF, IF YOU WANT TO AVOID IT. NOW I SAY THAT, BUT AGAIN, LET ME GIVE YOU THE FLIP SIDE, WHICH IS EVERYBODY WE GO OUT AND ENFORCE ON, AND I'M LOOKING AT, LISA HAS SOME STORY ABOUT WHY FOR THEM, EMILY AND I SAT DOWN WITH THE GUY YESTERDAY AND HE EXPLAINED WHY HIS VIOLATION OF THE CODE WASN'T DOING WHAT HE WANTED. IT WAS THIS PERFECTLY LOGICAL BUSINESS REASON TO HIM. AND, AND WE RECEIVED, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY EMAILS AND COMPLAINTS FROM HIM ABOUT WHY WE'RE SORT OF ON HIM. SO, I MEAN, THIS SINCERELY, THE, THE SOLUTION IS A VERY ACTIVE OR STAFF IS ACTIVELY GOING OUT AND LOOKING FOR STUFF. BUT, BUT AGAIN, I WILL TELL YOU, YOU WILL THEN GET COMPLAINTS THAT STAFF IS BEING OVERLY AGGRESSIVE AND TOO HARD AND MEAN, AND IT'S JUST THIS SHORT TERM THING. I MEAN, WE, WE REGULARLY HAVE PEOPLE WITH VIOLATIONS OF JUNK SAY, I DON'T THINK IT'S BOTHERING ANYBODY, SO I'M NOT GONNA MOVE IT. SO THAT'S THE SOLUTION IS TO, TO ACTIVELY AND AGGRESSIVELY GO AFTER WITH LITTLE TOLERANCE. SO WE DON'T LET THIS STUFF, WE, WE DON'T MISS IT. I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT. YEAH. THEN, THEN YOU WILL HEAR, MAN, STAFF IS ON ME FOR THE SLIGHTEST THING. I, YOU KNOW, I ONLY HAD IT OUT THERE FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS AND, AND I GOT A NOTICE OF VIOLATION AND NOW I GOTTA GO TO COURT. SO JUST KIND OF AN EYES WIDE OPEN. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT IT, IT DOES. UH, BUT THERE'S A LOT THAT DOESN'T. RIGHT. SO, UH, SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, SO WHAT'S THE, THE CITY'S POLICY, I GUESS ON, ON ENFORCEMENT? LIKE, DO WE HAVE A PLAN WHERE WE GO OUT AND ENSURE THAT BUSINESSES ARE NOT SPEEDING? UH, AND IN COMPLIANCE? SO, SO WHAT I WOULD SAY IS, I THINK WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS THE PROBLEM HAS GROWN AND IT GOT TO THE POINT WHERE PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO SAY, LOOK AT ALL OF THIS STUFF. WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING. SO WE'RE GOING OUT AND LOOKING. BUT, BUT IT, IT REALLY, IN MY EXPERIENCE DEALING WITH KIND OF CODE ENFORCEMENT, IT IS HAVING STAFF GO OUT AND ACTIVELY LOOK FOR VIOLATIONS, RIGHT? THAT THEY'RE ACTIVELY LOOKING, TRYING TO SPOT THEM AS OPPOSED TO DEALING WITH THE ONES WHERE WE GET A COMPLAINT OR DEALING WITH THE ONES THAT ARE SORT OF READILY APPARENT, RIGHT? UM, THAT ARE MORE GLARING. BUT IT'S, IT'S SLOWLY DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD WITH TWO PEOPLE IN THE CAR. [05:20:02] ONE OF THE CODE OFFICERS WHO'S NOT DRIVING IS ACTIVELY LOOKING AND GOING, TURN AROUND AND COME BACK. CAN WE SEE FROM THE PUBLIC WAY? AND THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT IT KIND OF COMES TO. AND I THINK THE, THE, THE CHALLENGE IS AGAIN, THEN WHAT YOU GET IS PEOPLE SAYING, OH, YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LITERALLY ACTIVELY LOOKING FOR IT. UM, BUT YEAH, THE, WE, WE DON'T DO THAT NOW. NO. WELL, SO WE DO NOT DRIVE AROUND WITH TWO CODE OFFICERS, ONE DRIVING WHO'S FOCUSED ON DRIVING AND THE OTHER LITERALLY SITTING THERE IN THE PASSENGER SEAT ACTIVELY AND, AND THEN SAYING, STOP, TURN AROUND, COME BACK. THAT'S ASTOUNDING TO MEAN, MAKE, MAKE IT AGAIN. RIGHT? WE GOT CUT OFFICERS THAT DRIVE AROUND THE TRUCK AND AS THEY'RE DRIVING, THEY'RE KIND OF GLANCING AROUND, BUT IT'S A DIFFERENT LEVEL OF IT. IT'S ENFOR. I'M, I'M GONNA INTERRUPT YOU HERE, BRIAN. IT IT, FOR A LARGE PART, IT'S A STAFFING ISSUE. OKAY. AS, AS THE FIRE MARSHAL, I HAD A DEPUTY AND, AND, AND FOR A WHILE I HAD A FIRE INSPECTOR AND WE HAD A PLAN AND WE WENT OUT AND WE VISITED EVERY COMMERCIAL BUSINESS IN THIS CITY AT LEAST ONCE A YEAR. WE WERE BEING PROACTIVE, NOT REACTIVE. MY UNDERSTANDING AND MY EXPERIENCE WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT IS THEY RESPONDED ON A COMPLAINT BASIS. AND PART OF THAT WAS, I, I'M, I'M GOING TO STICK MY NECK OUT HERE AND I MAY BE WRONG, BUT I THINK IT'S, IT'S HAVING ENOUGH STAFF THAT THEY COULD START GOING OUT AND DOING WHAT BRIAN'S DESCRIBING, WHERE THEY CAN TRY BEING PROACTIVE. I MEAN, I USED TO HAVE TO CALL YOU, YOU COULD DRIVE DOWN SAVANNAH DRIVE IN MY, IN MY 12 FOOT MOTOR HOME AND I'D START HITTING TREE LIMBS. OKAY? AND THE CODE REQUIRES, I DON'T KNOW, 13 AND A HALF, 15 FEET. WELL, THE ONLY WAY TO GET THAT DONE WAS CALL CODE, WAS TO CALL IN A COMPLAINT BECAUSE CODE ENFORCEMENT WAS NOT GOING AROUND WITH A MEASURING STICK CHECKING TREES. OKAY. SO, UM, I'M SORRY, THAT'S, YEAH, NO, I THINK, I THINK, I THINK THAT'S ALRIGHT. I THINK PART OF IT'S THE STAFFING LEVEL AND I THINK PART OF IT IS JUST THIS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE EXAMPLE WE USE WITH LIKE TALL WEEDS AND GRASS, IT'S THE ELDERLY WOMAN WHOSE, WHOSE SON IS SERVING OVERSEAS IN IRAQ WHO CAN'T MOW HER YARD. AND AS SOON AS THAT HITS HOW MANY INCHES, EIGHT, EIGHT INCHES NOTICE A VIOLATION AND NOBODY IN OUR COMMUNITY IS GONNA GO, THAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO, RIGHT? THAT'S PART OF IT IS, IS HOW WE DEAL WITH IT AND, AND HOW AGGRESSIVE WE ARE WITH IT AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I THINK THERE IS THAT, I THINK IT GROWS OVER TIME. I THINK THE CITY GROWING OVER TIME, AND, AND LEMME BE CLEAR TO COMMISSIONER BRO, OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, AND THIS IS KIND OF WHERE I THINK SOME POINT THEY ARE LOOKING FOR VIOLATIONS. BUT AGAIN, THE EXAMPLE I'LL GIVE YOU, IT'S A CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD LOOKING FOR THINGS THAT JUMP OUT AT HIM VERSUS YOU LITERALLY ARE DRIVING UP AND DOWN THE STREET FIVE TIMES, SLOWING DOWN, CHECKING EVERY ANGLE, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S TO WHAT DEGREE YOU TO SORT OF DO THAT STUFF AGAIN. LET, LET ME JUMP IN HERE AND, AND, AND I DON'T, I DON'T MEAN TO STIFLE THE CONVERSATION, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING BACK OVER THE SAME STUFF, THE SAME QUESTIONS, THE SAME WHAT IFS THAT WE DID WITH THE ZONING. WE'VE MADE THE DECISION ON THE ZONING CASE TO RECOMMEND DENIAL. SO I'M GONNA RESTATE THE QUESTION AGAIN ON THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT. IF COUNSEL WERE TO APPROVE GB TWO ZONING, WOULD YOU BE OKAY WITH PORTABLE BUILDING SALES ON THAT LOT? SO AGAIN, IT'S A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL. WE CAN RECOMMEND APPROVAL, DENIAL APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS. WHAT'S THE COMMISSION'S PLEASURE? THIS IS HARD. OKAY, I RECOMMEND DENIAL OF, UM, P-O-S-P-U-T OR TWO U. OH MY GOD, I'M SO TIRED. T 2 0 2 4 0 0 0 9. OKAY. I HAVE A, I HAVE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND DENIAL. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. A SECOND FROM [05:25:02] COMMISSIONER CARBONE. NOW Y'ALL, JUST SO Y'ALL UNDERSTAND, AN SUP IS RUNS WITH THAT PARTICULAR USE. OKAY. UM, SO THAT THIS WAS, UH, ANYWAY, ALRIGHT, WELL IF NOBODY ELSE HAS ANYTHING ELSE, UH, AGAIN, A YES VOTE ON THIS MOTION IS TO RECOMMEND DENIAL IF YOU'D PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTES. ALRIGHT, I SEE SIX VOTES. IF YOU PUBLISH THOSE, PLEASE. I HAVE FOUR, FOUR AYES TO, UH, TO OPPOSE THAT MOTION PASSES. ALL RIGHT. UH, SAM, I'M GONNA PULL RANK HERE AND WE'RE GONNA JUMP DOWN TO, AYE, I WAS GONNA SUGGEST THAT, SO, OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD. OKAY. 'CAUSE I THINK, UH, WHAT, AND WE TRY TO GET RID OF THE, THE FOLKS THAT HAVE BEEN SITTING HERE ALMOST, YOU KNOW, . I WANNA KNOW WHERE MY LUNCH BREAK WAS. OKAY. WE'VE BEEN, WE'VE BEEN HERE FIVE AND A HALF HOURS. WHERE'S MY LUNCH BREAK BEFORE WE START? ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE GONNA JUMP DOWN TO, UH, ITEM I HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING. PUDC 2 2 4 0 4 8, HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING WORKSHOP AND DISCUSSION ON POSSIBLE ACTION TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON AMENDMENTS TO PART THREE OF THE SHIRT'S. CODE OF ORDINANCES, UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE ARTICLE FIVE ZONING DISTRICT, SAM, OKAY, P-L-U-D-C 2 0 2 4 0 0 4 8 UDC AMENDMENTS TO ARTICLE FIVE AUTOMOBILE SALES. SO THE BA THE SIMPLE BACKGROUND OF THIS IS THAT THERE'S BEEN INTEREST IN THE CITY FOR AUTOMOBILE SALES WITHIN THE GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, AND STAFF HAS DRAFTED LANGUAGE AS A WAY TO BEST MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS INTEREST IN THIS PARTICULAR ZONING DISTRICT. SO CURRENTLY IN THE UDC AUTOMOBILE SALES IS DEFINED AS SALES RENTAL AND OR LEASE OF NEW OR USED AUTOMOBILES OR LIGHT LOAD VEHICLES, INCLUDING AS AN ACCESSORY USE AUTOMOBILE REPAIR MAJOR. AND THAT'S PERMITTED BY WRIGHT AND MANUFACTURING LIGHT IN ONE AND MANUFACTURING HEAVY M TWO. AND IT'S PER PERMITTED, PERMITTED WITH THE SUP IN GENERAL BUSINESS TWO. SO WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING, UH, IS THAT WE PERMIT IT BY RIGHT IN M1, M TWO AND GB TWO AND WITH AN SUP IN GP, BUT WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING SOME LIMITED USES. UH, WE HAVE THIS NEW SECTION IN THE UDC THAT WENT THROUGH WITH THE MAIN STREET, UH, AMENDMENTS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER, IT WAS ABOUT TATTOO PARLORS, ABOUT DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS AND THINGS. SO WE'RE GONNA KIND OF, YOU KNOW, IN THAT SAME VEIN, WE'RE DOING THIS WITH AUTOMOBILE SALES WE'RE PROPOSING ANYWAY, AND THAT NO AUTOMOBILE SALES SHALL BE WITHIN THREE MILES OF ANOTHER AUTOMOBILE SALES. AND WE DID THIS WITH THE INTENT OF I 10 AND I 35 IN MIND. BUT BOTH OF THOSE ARE ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE OVER THREE MILES IN LENGTH. I THINK MAYBE LIKE, ACTUALLY I THINK IT'S SEVEN, SEVEN MILES FOR I 35. THAT'S OUR WHOLE STRETCH OF SHIRTS. SO PROBABLY MAXIMUM OF TWO AUTOMOBILE SALES. UH, NO AUTOMOBILE SALES SHALL BE WITHIN 250 FEET OF A RESIDENTIAL ZONING OR USE, SO ZONING OR USE, AND THEN AUTOMOBILE CELLS SHALL BE REQUIRED TO HAVE AN AUTOMOBILE REPAIR MAJOR AS AN ACCESSORY USE. SO IN OUR CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL HERE, SORRY, LITTLE FORMATTING ISSUE THERE. UH, NUMBER ONE, THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT PROMOTES HEALTH, SAFETY AND GENERAL WELFARE OF THE CITY, THE SAFE, ORDERLY, EFFICIENT, AND HELPFUL DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY. SO, AUTOMOBILE SALES TO BE ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL USES STAFF FEELS THAT THIS IS COUNTER TO HEALTH DEVELOPMENT. UH, AND OUR GENERAL DISTRICT TENDS TO BE THESE HIGH VALUE, HIGH VISIBILITY AREAS OF OUR COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE. THINK, UH, FM 3 0 9 AND ALL THE STUFF ALONG, UM, I 35 AUTOMOBILE SALES IN A WIDER SENSE IN THE REGION, IT'S PRETTY PREVALENT. I MEAN, ANYBODY DRIVING UP 35 CAN SEE AUTOMOBILE SALES AFTER AUTOMOBILE SALES, AFTER AUTOMOBILE SALES BEFORE YOU GET YOUR SHIRTS. SO STAFF REALLY IS PONDERING THE QUESTION, IF WE HAVE THIS LIMITED HIGH VALUE, HIGH VISIBILITY PROPERTY IN THE CITY, DO WE WANT TO DO, WE WANT TO PERMIT THIS IN A SATURATED MARKET, RIGHT? SO WE DON'T FEEL THAT IF THE, IF THE UDC HAS A CRITERIA TO HAVE EFFICIENT DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY, WE DON'T FEEL THAT THAT IS AN EFFICIENT USE OF LAND IN THE CITY OF SHIRTS. SO NUMBER TWO IS THE AMENDMENT TO THE TEXT CONSISTENT WITH OTHER POLICIES OF THE CITY. IN 2009, AUTO SALES, UM, WAS MADE THE WAY IT WAS AS PART OF THE UDC AMENDMENT BACK THEN, AND IT WAS CONSIDERED AN IN INTENSE LAND USE. UH, THAT'S WHY IT'S PERMITTED IN THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS. AND WITHIN SUP AND GENERAL BUSINESS TOO. THESE ARE OUR MORE INTENSE COMMERCIAL [05:30:01] DISTRICTS. SO PERMITTING WITHIN GB IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THIS PAST POLICY. UH, NUMBER THREE, ANY PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS AND OBJECTIONS OF THIS UDC AND THE CITY. SO IN THE UDC 2112 AND PURPOSE AND INTENT, THERE'S THIS EXPLICIT DESIRE TO PROTECT AND CONSERVE THE VALUE OF LAND THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND TO ALSO MINIMIZE THE CONFLICT AMONG USES AND LAND IN THE BUILDINGS. SO THE WAY THAT STAFF ANALYZE THIS WAS IN THESE, DO WE WANT AUTOMOBILE SALES IN GENERAL BUSINESS WHERE WE HAVE DECIDED AS A CITY THESE, THESE ARE VALUABLE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS, HIGH VISIBILITY, HIGH VALUE. ARE WE PROTECTING, CONSERVING THE VALUE OF LAND BY PERMITTING THIS IN THIS DISTRICT? ARE WE MINIMIZING THE CONFLICTS BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL USES? SO STAFF FEELS THAT NO, WE ARE NOT BY ALLOWING THESE AMENDMENTS. NOW I'LL, THERE'S A CAVEAT AT THE END OF THIS, SO I'LL, I'LL GET TO THAT. UH, YOU KNOW, AND WE, IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO FIND BETTER WAYS TO DO THINGS WELL PLANNED, WELL, WELL LANDSCAPE, WELL BIT WELL MAINTAINED COMMUNITY, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING BY PERMITTING AUTOMOBILE SALES WITHIN GENERAL BUSINESS STAFF FEELS IT IS NOT SO CRITERIA FOR NUMBER FOUR. IS THERE ANY OTHER THAT DISCRETION OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION CITY COUNCIL DEEMED RELEVANT? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DECIDE. SO THESE CURRENT UDC REGULATIONS STAFF FEELS ARE SUFFICIENT. WE FEEL LIKE WE DON'T NEED TO CHANGE IN THE CITY. UM, THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS DO NOT ALIGN WITH THE CITY POLICIES AND GOALS AND STAFF IS GOING TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THESE AMENDMENTS. I KNOW THAT SOUNDS FUNNY BECAUSE WE DRAFTED THIS LANGUAGE. SO THE CAVEAT I WANT TO TELL YOU IN ALL THIS IS THAT IF THERE IS AN APPETITE FOR AUTOMOBILE SALES IN THE CITY, FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, FROM OUR DECISION MAKERS ON CITY COUNCIL STAFF FEELS LIKE THESE AMENDMENTS IS THE BEST WAY FORWARD. SO EVERYTHING I JUST SAID, WE'RE RECOMMENDING DENIAL. I WANNA MAKE THAT CLEAR. WE FEEL LIKE THE UDC DOES NOT NEED TO CHANGE IN THIS RESPECT, BUT IF YOU FEEL LIKE IT DOES, STAFF IS PROPOSING THAT THIS IS THE BEST WAY FORWARD. AND COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. WELL, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO HANDLE THIS BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT REALLY AN APPLICANT. THE, THE, THE CITY BROUGHT THIS FORWARD, SO IT'S STILL PUBLIC HEARING. I'M GETTING THERE. SLOW, SLOW DOWN, SLOW DOWN. ALL RIGHT. SO, UH, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. IT IS, UH, 1139, WELL PAST MY BEDTIME. AND, UH, SO AT THIS TIME, ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE STEP FORWARD. NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. YOU CAN HAVE THREE MINUTES. SHE CAN HAVE THREE MINUTES. OKAY. HOW'S THAT? I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA TAKE THREE MINUTES. OKAY. UM, KEN BROWN, UM, 100 NORTHEAST LOOP FOUR 10, SUITE 1385, SAN ANTONIO. UM, I THINK MOST OF YOU WERE HERE THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE IN AUGUST. I MEAN, IN OCTOBER. I'M GONNA MAKE A LOT OF MISTAKES. I'M SO TIRED. UM, THIS CAME BEFORE YOU, IT WAS A DEALERSHIP, UH, IF YOU RECALL THE LOCATION, UH, RIGHT ON THE, THE BOUNDARY LINE WITH SELMA. UM, AND WE BROUGHT THE APPLICATION UNDER THE GBT TWO WITH AN SUP. UM, THIS BODY APPROVED THE GB TWO ZONING FIVE TO TWO, AND THEN APPROVED THE SUP SEVEN. OH. BUT THERE WAS CONCERN BY THIS BODY, UH, ABOUT PUTTING A GB TWO, UH, BASE DISTRICT HERE, BECAUSE IT ALLOWS JUST LIKE THE LAST GUY, IT ALLOWS A LOT OF INDUSTRIAL USES. UM, BUT IT WAS APPROVED AND WE MOVED TO COUNCIL AND MADE THE SAME SORT SORT OF ARGUMENTS, AND THEY WERE NOT, UH, COMFORTABLE REZONING IT TO GB TWO, UH, BECAUSE OF THE UNDERLYING USES THAT WERE ALLOWED. UH, AND, YOU KNOW, JUST A SHOW OF COMMENTS ON THAT DAY, MOST OF 'EM SAID, LOOK, I WOULD BE FINE WITH IT IF IT WERE IN GB, BUT I, I JUST DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE PUTTING IT THERE. IT DOESN'T, DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT. IT DOESN'T LOOK RIGHT. IT DOESN'T LOOK COMPATIBLE. UH, AND I THINK THERE WAS A SUGGESTION TO, FOR STAFF TO, UH, COME BACK WITH A POSSIBLE AMENDMENT TO ALLOW AN SUP IN, IN THE GB, UH, FOR AUTOMOBILE SALES AND SERVICE. UM, THAT WAS IN OCTOBER. WE HAD AN ELECTION, THEN WE HAD A RUNOFF ELECTION. UH, STAFF HAD TO DO THEIR DUE DILIGENCE WITH THE NEW COUNCIL. AND THAT'S WHY IT IS BEFORE [05:35:01] YOU TODAY. UH, WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THE AMENDMENT. UM, IT'S THE SAME USER IN THE SAME, I COULD GIVE THE SAME PRESENTATION, BUT I, WE BELIEVE THAT IT IS APPROPRIATE. IT IS PRETTY COMMON, UH, TO HAVE AUTOMOBILE DEALERSHIPS AND SERVICES IN COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS. UH, MOST CITIES HAVE EXCLUSIONARY ZONING, MEANING COMMERCIAL GOES IN COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL BUSINESS AND INDUSTRIAL. I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO HAVE AN SUP HERE. UH, WE WOULD FULLY SUPPORT THE STAFF'S, UH, PROPOSAL WITH THE LIMITATIONS THAT THEY SUGGESTED. HOWEVER, UH, WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THE RECOMMENDATION ABOUT 250 FEET TO RESIDENTIAL BE 250 FEET, UH, A PROHIBITION 250 FEET, UH, TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. UH, OUR SITE, AS YOU APPROVED IN OCTOBER, HAS APARTMENTS ON THE BACKSIDE. AND I THINK WHEN, WHEN WE DISCUSSED IT AT THAT TIME, IT IS PRETTY COMMON TO HAVE A TRANSITION OF ZONINGS FROM COMMERCIAL ON A MAJOR ARTERIAL TO MULTIFAMILY TO SINGLE FAMILY. AND SO, UH, WE ARE HERE TO SUPPORT, UM, THE CHANGE, UH, WITH THAT AMENDMENT OF, OF CLARIFYING THAT RESIDENTIAL WILL BE MULTI-FAMILY, A SINGLE FAMILY. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER 'EM. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SIR. ANYONE ELSE? ALRIGHT. IT IS NOW, UH, 1143 AND PUBLIC INPUT IS CLOSED. AND AGAIN, I, UH, UH, UH, I'M NOT SURE WHO, WHO WAS HERE AND WHO WAS ABSENT. UM, WE WERE, UM, AS A GROUP, UH, I DON'T REALLY, THERE WAS A LOT OF APPREHENSION ABOUT, AGAIN, GB TWO, PARTICULARLY WHERE THIS PROPERTY IS BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE OTHER USES THAT WERE ALLOWED. UM, AND DID WE IN FACT RECOMMEND APPROVAL? OKAY. AND, AND I KNOW ON THE SUP 'CAUSE WE, I THINK IT WAS UNANIMOUS THAT WE WERE ALL, UH, OKAY WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, UH, THIS, THIS PARTICULAR CAR DEALERSHIP GOING HERE. UM, SO, UH, ONE OF THE, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS KIND OF GOES ALONG WITH WHAT I WAS SAYING EARLIER. UM, I THINK THERE MAY BE SOME THINGS THAT YOU CAN PUT IN GB, UM, BUT AN SUP IS A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE IT GIVES US THE, IT, YOU KNOW, THAT WAY IT'S A CASE BY CASE. WE CAN SAY YES TO THIS GUY AND NO TO THAT ONE. UM, SO, UM, COMMISSIONER'S, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, DISCUSSION. UM, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY FROM LAST TIME, IT WAS OUTLAW THAT HAD SAID SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF WISHING YOU GUYS COMMUNICATED WITH THE APARTMENT COMPLEX. I WAS WONDERING IF YOU GUYS DID THAT THIS TIME. I DIDN'T HEAR, UM, DID YOU GUYS, UH, LET THE APARTMENT COMPLEX KNOW OR ANYONE IN YEAH, THERE. AND WE'D HAD SUPPORT FROM, THERE'S A GAS STATION NEXT TO US. SURE. UH, BEHIND US. WE HAD, UH, TALKED TO THEM ABOUT IT. ALSO, REMEMBER, THEIR OWNER ISN'T LOCAL. UH, WE WEREN'T TALKING TO THE TENANTS. WE'VE TALKED TO THE OWNER. AND THEN WE ALSO TALKED TO THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY THAT IS IN SELMA. THANK YOU, SAM. OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD, DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT'S IN AUTOMOBILE REPAIR? MINOR? YEAH, IT'S LIKE A, THINK OF LIKE YOUR OIL CHANGE PLACES JUST DO MINOR LIKE INSPECTIONS, FLUID REPLACEMENT, THINGS LIKE THAT. MAJOR IS ACTUAL REPAIRS BECAUSE THEY, THE DEALERSHIPS I GO TO DO ALL THAT. THEY DO OIL CHANGES, THE INSPECTIONS, THEY DO DETAILING, THEY DO CLEANING. YET, I DON'T THINK YOU ADDED AUTOMOBILE MINOR TO YOUR RECOMMENDATION, CORRECT? WELL, I THINK IT'S IMPLIED THAT IF MAJOR INCLUDES MINOR AS WELL, LIKE, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW OF ANY REPAIR SHOP THAT WOULD ONLY FIX YOUR BUMPER AND NOT CHANGE YOUR OIL. BUT DOES, DOES OUR UDC STATE THAT I THEY'RE THEY'RE TWO SEPARATE DEFINITIONS. TWO SEPARATE. I MEAN, YEAH, I THINK WE'VE ALWAYS INTERPRETED [05:40:01] THAT IF IT'S MAJOR, IT COVERS THE MINOR, BUT IT DOESN'T, MAYBE IT DOESN'T EXPLICITLY SAY THAT. LET'S SEE IF I CAN GO DOWN TO THE, I DON'T KNOW IF I INCLUDED THAT DEFINITION. I DON'T THINK IT WAS, I DON'T THINK IT WAS IN THERE AND I'M TOO TIRED TO PULL IT UP. . BUT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS IT'S IMPLIED IF YOU DO. YEAH, IF YOU DO, IF YOU DO MINOR, YOU, I MEAN MAJOR, YOU'RE GONNA DO MINOR AS WELL. IT'S, YEAH, WE ALWAYS INTERPRETED THAT YOU'RE PROBABLY DOING MINOR AS WELL. OKIE DO. ALL RIGHT. IF THERE'S NO MORE DISCUSSION, I ONCE AGAIN APPROVE, APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS, UM, OR DENY. UM, I DID MARK, UM, ON, ON THE STAFF MEMO, UM, THE TWO, THE CONDITION B AND C, NO AUTOMOBILE SALE SHALL BE WITHIN 250 FEET OF ANY RESIDENTIAL ZONING OR USE AUTOMOBILE SALE USES ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE AUTOMOBILE REPAIR MAJOR AS AN ACCESSORY USE. WHAT WAS THE INTENT OF THAT ONE, SAM? SO WHY WE WANTED TO B WE WANTED TO MINIMIZE THE CONFLICT BETWEEN LINE USES. WELL, I, I GET THAT ONE. BUT WHY REQUIRE THE MAJOR REPAIR? AND WE WANTED TO REQUIRE THE MAJOR REPAIR BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT JUST LIKE A LOT, WE WANTED, UM, THIS USE TO HAVE LIKE A DEALERSHIP TO WHERE YOU COULD FULL YEAH. FULL SERVICE, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF JUST A, SO AGAIN, THAT SELLS CARS. ONE, ONE OF THE THINGS IN CONSIDERING YOUR MOTION, YOU, YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN RECOMMEND APPROVAL AS, AS IT'S WRITTEN HERE, YOU CAN RECOMMEND, UM, APPROVAL. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SAY, UH, REMOVE ITEM ONE B OR CONDITIONAL OR HOWEVER, UM, OR WE CAN JUST FLAT OUT RECOMMEND DENIAL LIKE STAFF DO. UH, AND THERE WAS A, YOU KNOW, AND A REQUEST TO CHANGE, UH, B TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. AND I JUST WANNA SAY THAT STAFF IS COMFORTABLE WITH THAT CHANGE. SO IF YOU WANT TO PROPOSE THAT WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. SO YOU'RE, YOU'VE ASKED US TO RECOMMEND DENIAL. TRUE. SO I WOULD BE RECOMMENDING DENIAL WITH CONDITIONS FOR THIS PARTICULAR, SO WE, WE, THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION, WE ARE RECOMMENDING DENIAL, BUT YOU CAN RECOMMEND APPROVAL. I WE'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION ON YOUR RECOMMENDATION. YOU DO REALIZE IT'S ALMOST MIDNIGHT, RIGHT? SO YEAH, I YEAH, THERE WOULDN'T, THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY CONDITIONS ON A DENIAL YOU'D DENY WAS DENIAL. OKAY. IT, IT WOULD JUST, SO THEN I'M GONNA RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS OF PLUC 2 2 4 0 4 8. AND THE CONDITION IS THAT IT BE, UM, SINGLE FAMILY HOME INSTEAD OF YES. ALL I HAVE A, I HAVE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITION THAT, UH, UH, CONDITION ONE B BE CHANGED FROM ANY RESIDENTIAL ZONING TO SINGLE FAMILY. YES. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. I HAVE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER. BUR ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTES. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE SIX VOTES YOU PUBLISH YET? I HAVE FIVE AYES. ONE, NO. AND MOTION PASSES. TABLE THE REST OF IT. I, I GUESS. ALRIGHT, SO NOW LET'S DO, UH, LET, LET'S DO THE COMP PLAN. LET'S GO DOWN TO ITEM J. NOT, YOU KNOW. ALRIGHT. DON'T YOU START THAT. TIFFANY TAKE. I JUST WANT NOTE. NO FURTHER RECORD. YOU'RE FINE, YOU'RE FINE. YEAH. A NOTE FOR THE RECORD. THIS IS NOT HEALTHY. YEAH. GUYS, IF, IF YOU NEED A RESTROOM BREAK, JUST TAKE ONE. OKAY. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN, YOU, YOU CAN STILL HEAR PRETTY WELL IN THE RESTROOM AND YOU KNOW, WE'LL AT THE BEGINNING PART OF THIS PRESENTATION YOU GUYS HAVE ALL SEEN BEFORE. BEFORE. [05:45:02] SO I WOULD ASK YOU TO PLEASE, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH DETAIL YOU NEED TO GO INTO. UM, YEAH, YEAH, WE'VE, SAMUEL AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT EARLIER. ALL RIGHT. UM, IT'S YOUR SHOW. GO AHEAD. ALL RIGHT. SO YOU, HELLO, NICE TO SEE YOU AGAIN. UH, MY NAME IS CAITLYN MEYER. I AM WITH FRIES AND NICHOLS, YOUR CONSULTANT FOR THE UPDATED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO WE WERE HERE JUST A MONTH EXACT, ALMOST EXACTLY A MONTH AGO TO DO OUR FINAL CPAC MEETING WITH YOU ALL. AND SO HERE WE ARE AT THE VERY END OF OUR PROCESS, MARCH, 2024, LOOKING AT ADOPTION. SO THIS IS OUR FORMAL PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ADOPTION. SO THIS IS NOT A-C-P-A-C MEETING, UM, WHICH IS WHY WE STILL WANTED TO GO THROUGH THIS BEGINNING PORTION OF SLIDES, BUT I WILL RUN THROUGH THEM AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. BUT IT WILL BE A LITTLE BIT OF, UM, REPETITIVE FROM LAST TIME THAT WE'VE DONE QUITE A BIT OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT FOR THIS, INCLUDING FOUR CPAC MEETINGS, OF WHICH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION SERVED THAT ROLE. WE HAD A COMMUNITY SURVEY WITH 409 RESPONSES, ONE PUBLIC EVENT LAST OCTOBER THAT WAS THE DUNCAN FOR PUMPKINS EVENT. UM, WE HAD A PROJECT WEBSITE AND ONLINE MAPPING EXERCISE OPEN FOR THE DURATION OF THE ENTIRE PROJECT. AND WE HAD FIVE CLOSE FOCUS GROUP MEETINGS THAT WE HELD, UM, THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT AS WELL. SOME OF THE MAJOR OUTCOMES THAT CAME FROM THAT ENGAGEMENT WAS THE NEED AND DESIRE FOR SAFE NEIGHBORHOODS, ADDITIONAL RETAIL AND ENTERTAINMENT OPTIONS. UM, THIS DESIRE FOR RESPONSIBLE GROWTH, WHICH MEANS SOMETHING DIFFERENT IN EVERY COMMUNITY. UM, DIVERSITY OF HOUSING OPTIONS AND ADDITIONAL FLOOD CONTROL. SO WHAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE DOCUMENT OR WHAT YOU HOPEFULLY HAVE SEEN IN THE DOCUMENT, UM, IT STARTS OUT WITH A SNAPSHOT. THIS IS REALLY JUST OUR BACKGROUND INFORMATION. THIS IS THE BASELINE THAT WE'RE STARTING WITH TODAY WITHIN SHIRTS. AND THEN PAUL, A SET OF POLICY STATEMENTS LOOKING AT WHERE YOU'RE, WHERE YOU'RE WANTING TO GO AND HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET THERE. THE STAFF HAD IDENTIFIED FOUR FOCUS AREAS AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS EXERCISE. UM, WE ENDED UP BREAKING UP NUMBER THREE AND FIVE USED TO BE TOGETHER, BUT WE BROKE THOSE UP INTO TWO SEPARATE ONES BECAUSE THEY WERE SO DISTINCTIVELY DIFFERENT. UM, AND THESE WERE REALLY JUST THE AREAS THAT ARE MOST SUSCEPTIBLE TO CHANGE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY OF SHIRTS. AND SO THEY REALLY WANTED TO FOCUS ON THOSE. AND SO FOR EACH OF THOSE AREAS, WE SPECIFICALLY LOOK AT EXISTING CONDITIONS, PROPOSED CHARACTER AND INTENT FOR THOSE AREAS, AND SOME SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS JUST FOR THOSE FOCUS AREAS. UM, WE GOT SOME VERY SPECIFIC INPUT ON LAND USE, WHICH I WON'T RUN THROUGH ALL OF THESE HERE, BUT YOU CAN SEE THEM, UM, IN YOUR DOCUMENT. ONE IDEA THAT WE REALLY WANTED TO POINT OUT IS THIS IDEA OF COMPLETE COMMUNITIES, AND IT'S REALLY JUST ABOUT PUTTING THINGS CLOSE TO PEOPLE SO THEY'RE NOT HAVING TO DRIVE AS FAR, THEY'RE NOT HAVING TO GET INTO THEIR CAR AS OFTEN. THEY HAVE THEIR BASIC DAILY NEEDS MET WITHIN, UM, YOU KNOW, A REASONABLE DISTANCE OF THEIR HOMES. AND THIS IS GONNA BE ESPECIALLY APPLICABLE TO SOME OF THE LAND USE CATEGORIES OF MAIN STREET COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOODS AND MIXED USE CENTERS THAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP TO ADDRESS THIS IDEA OF, UM, THE CONCERN ABOUT FLOODING THAT WE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY. ONE ADDITION THAT WE'VE MADE TO THIS UPDATE FOR YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND LAND USE PLAN IS THE IDEA OF INNOVATIVE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT AND GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE. SO YOU'LL SEE JUST SOME GENERAL BEST PRACTICES AND RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT A BETTER WAY TO GO ABOUT, UM, STORM WATER MANAGEMENT THAT REALLY CAN HELP SOME OF THAT LOCALIZED FLOODING CONCERN THAT WE HEARD FROM YOUR COMMUNITY. THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. SAMUEL'S GONNA GO INTO A BUNCH MORE DETAIL ON THIS IN A MINUTE, SO I WON'T BELABOR THE POINT HERE, BUT WE HAVE MADE SOME CHANGES. THIS IS THE MAIN THING WE'VE MADE SOME CHANGES ON SINCE WE WERE HERE WITH YOU GUYS LAST TIME, UM, IN ABOUT A MONTH AGO. TRANSPORTATION. SO IN ADDITION TO NEW LAND USES, WE ALSO ALWAYS TAKE A SECOND LOOK AT YOUR TRANSPORTATION THOROUGHFARE PLAN AND MAKE SURE THAT WHAT YOU HAVE IS STILL APPLICABLE TO SERVICE THOSE NEW LAND USE AREAS. UM, THE CONCLUSION OF OUR TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS THAT LOOKED AT THIS IS THAT GENERALLY THE FUTURE THOROUGHFARES THAT YOU'RE ALREADY PLANNED FOR THE STATE OF CHURCHS ARE GOING TO BE GENERALLY OKAY. UM, THERE ARE A FEW SPECIFIC AREAS YOU'LL SEE, UM, NORTH ALONG I 35, KIND OF BOTH NORTH AND SOUTH OF I 35, AS WELL AS SOME OF THOSE AREAS EAST OF 1518, THAT, UM, PROBABLY WILL NEED A FEW MORE MAJOR ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS AS THEY BUILD OUT UP. UM, [05:50:01] WE HAD A SUB-CONSULTANT IN CATALYST WHO DID SOME FISCAL IMPACT ANALYSIS OF WHAT THE OUTCOMES OF THIS LAND USE PLAN WOULD BE. AND SO THE ENTIRETY OF THE FISCAL BENEFIT THAT THE CITY COULD SEE IS $2.1 BILLION OF NET NEW FISCAL BENEFIT OVER A THE 30 YEAR PLAN HORIZON. I'M PRETTY SURE THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE. AND THEN THE PLAN OR THE DOCUMENT, UM, ENDS IN A IMPLEMENTATION CHAPTER. AND THIS IS REALLY FOR US, THE MOST IMPORTANT PART. THIS IS HOW YOU'RE ACTUALLY GONNA GO ABOUT MAKING SURE THESE THINGS HAPPEN. AND SO THERE'S SOME GENERAL SECTIONS ABOUT USING THE DOCUMENT AND BEST PRACTICES, BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO GUIDANCE ON DECISION MAKING, BOTH FOR CITY BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, UM, THE CITY COUNCIL, CITY STAFF, UM, AND THEN AS A DETAILED ACTIONS MATRIX. AND THIS IS JUST THE FIRST TWO OF ABOUT 30 ACTIONS THAT WE HAVE IN THERE, JUST TO GIVE YOU A FEEL OF HOW WE PRESENT THOSE WE HAVE AND THE ACTION, THE TIMELINE, WHO'S LEADING THAT, UM, AND THEN WHAT YOU CAN EXPECT IN TERMS OF BENEFITS AND OUTCOMES FROM THAT ACTION. SO WITH THAT, I'M GONNA HAND IT OVER TO SAMUEL TO TALK THROUGH FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. OKAY? SO THE MAIN GOAL OF ALL THIS IS TO PROVIDE YOU WITH A FUTURE LAND USE PLAN THAT IS FLEXIBLE AND ALLOWS YOU TO REALLY EXERCISE YOUR JUDGMENT. AND IT DOESN'T REALLY, YOU KNOW, BOX YOU IN AND MAKE YOU DO THIS, THAT, OR THE OTHER. YOU KNOW, THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND PLAN IS NOT ZONING, RIGHT? THE ZONING IS REGULATION. THAT IS WHAT WE, WE CAN REALLY GET DOWN INTO THE NITTY GRITTY AND PARCEL BY PARCEL AND FIGURE OUT WHAT USE IS PERMITTED IN WHICH ZONING, RIGHT? THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND PLAN IS MORE OF A GUIDING DOCUMENT THAT INFORMS OUR ZONING DECISIONS. SO WITH THAT IN MIND, WE, WE MADE SOME CHANGES TO JUST A COUPLE CATEGORIES. SOME OTHER ONES WERE THE SAME, BUT MAIN STREET IS ONE OF THEM. AND SO I'LL JUST READ THESE OUT AND, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST SENTENCE IS PRETTY STANDARD. IT'S THE SAME. BUT THEN WE ADDED THE SECTION AT THE END THAT SAID, THE MAIN STREET CATEGORY CAN BE UTILIZED AS A CONCEPT TO EXPAND BEYOND THE HISTORIC MAIN STREET CORRIDOR. SO WHAT STAFF IS REALLY LOOKING AT THERE IS THAT MAYBE THERE, AS SHIRTZ DEVELOPS, THERE MIGHT BE OTHER AREAS IN THE CITY THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, HAVE THIS MAIN STREET IDEA, NOT NECESSARILY MAIN STREET ITSELF, BUT YOU KNOW, WHAT, IF FM 78 TURNED INTO SOMETHING OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES, WE WANNA GIVE US THAT FREEDOM. BUT RIGHT NOW YOU'LL SEE THAT IT'S STILL ONLY IN THIS LITTLE TINY SECTION THAT WE CALL MAIN STREET. AND IT ALSO SAYS APPROPRIATE TRANSITIONAL USES FOR ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL AREAS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AND UTILIZED. SO WE'RE JUST PUTTING THAT IN THERE, LETTING YOU USE YOUR JUDGMENT, RIGHT? RURAL LIVING WAS ANOTHER ONE THAT WE, WE MADE SOME ADJUSTMENTS ON. AND WHAT WE REALLY SAID HERE WAS THAT THESE LAND USE TYPES EMPHASIZE COMPATIBILITY WITH JBSA AND RESIDENTIAL IS NOT APPROPRIATE IN CERTAIN AREAS. SO, YOU KNOW, AS WE HAVE REALLY HASHED OUT TONIGHT, JVSA DOES NOT WANT RESIDENTIAL IN THE A PZ PERIOD. NOW, THEY'RE COM THEY'RE MORE COMFORTABLE IN SOME AREAS AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT AT ALL IN SOME, SO WE WANTED TO REALLY EMPHASIZE THAT IN RURAL LIVING. 'CAUSE THIS IS WHAT THE SOUTHERN A PZ IS BASICALLY GONNA BE. SO EVALUATING THE APPROPRIATENESS OF SPARSE RESIDENTIAL, AGRICULTURAL, COMMERCIAL AND COMPLEMENTARY USES SHALL BE IN CONJUNCTION WITH JBSA. JUST SOMETHING THAT OUR DECISION MAKERS NEED TO CONSIDER COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS WAS THE ONE THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS ONE'S A BIG ONE AS IT IS MOST OF THE CITY AND ESSENTIALLY THE RESIDENTIAL PORTIONS OF OUR CITY. SO COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE GENERAL AREAS CHARACTERIZED BY A MIXTURE OF HOUSING WITH SUPPORTING LAND USES SUCH AS NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL, THESE AREAS SHOULD PROMOTE CONNECTIVITY, FOSTER MORE BIKEABLE AND WALKABLE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN. AND WHEN CONSIDERING APPROPRIATENESS OF HOUSING DENSITY OR COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY FACTORS SUCH AS ROADWAY CLASSIFICATION, CONFLICTS AMONG LAND USES AND BUILDING AS WELL AS THE UNDUE CONCENTRATION OR DIFFUSION OF POPULATION SHOULD BE CONSIDERED. SO WE'RE ESSENTIALLY, THE IDEA HERE IS WE'RE GIVING YOU THE TOOLS TO MAKE YOUR JUDGMENTS. LOCAL CORRIDOR HAS REMAINED THE SAME SMALL SCALE RETAIL THINK FM 3 0 0 9 REGIONAL CORRIDOR, UM, HAS REMAINED THE SAME. YOU KNOW, THIS IS OUR I 10 I 35 CORRIDORS, BIG BOX STORES, MULTIFAMILY WAREHOUSING AND LOGISTIC ACTIVITY IS APPROPRIATE. MIXED USE CENTER THAT HASN'T CHANGED. INDUSTRIAL [05:55:01] HUB, THAT HASN'T CHANGED, PUBLIC USE HASN'T CHANGED, AND DEVELOPMENT DEFERMENT HASN'T CHANGED. AND I, I'LL DIRECT YOU TO THE MAP ITSELF. AND SO WE MADE SOME ADJUSTMENTS WITH THE MAP. ESSENTIALLY THIS WHOLE NORTHERN SECTION OF SHIRTS IS DEVELOPMENT DEFERMENT. NOW WHAT YOU SEE IS A THREE. AND THE REASON WE DID THAT IS BECAUSE A, THERE'S A LARGE MATERIAL OPERATION GOING ON UP THERE. AND B, A LOT OF THAT STUFF THAT'S, UH, SOUTH OF THAT MATERIAL OPERATION THAT WE KNOW IS EXPANDING AND IS GONNA BE THERE FOR A VERY LONG TIME IS ETJ. THAT'S NOT UNDER AN ANNEXATION AGREEMENT. SO NEW STATE LAW REALLY ALLOWS PEOPLE TO JUST LEAVE THE ETJ WHENEVER THEY WANT. SO WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THE PLAN IS AND, AND HOW SUSCEPTIBLE OWNERS ARE GONNA BE TO ANNEXATION IN THIS AREA. SO WE'VE LEFT IT AS DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. WE'VE, WE'RE ESSENTIALLY SAYING THAT UNTIL SUCH A TIME THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE DIRECTION OF THIS AREA, WE'RE GOING TO JUST LEAVE IT AS A KIND OF, AS IS. WE EXPANDED THE, UH, INDUSTRIAL PORTIONS DOWN HERE BY FM 2252. AND I WILL SAY THAT THIS PLAN WAS PROPO WAS, UH, SHOWN TO THE SHIRTS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION AND THEY APPROVED IT, OR THEY AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, DIDN'T HAVE, UM, ANY OBJECTIONS TO IT. SO, UM, THIS WAS ALL SHOWN AND WE, WE, UM, EXPANDED THIS INDUSTRIAL ACTIVITY OVER HERE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE UNDERSTAND TO BE IS WHAT THEIR MARKETING. UM, AND, AND THE EDC GOING DOWN, WE EXTENDED THE LOCAL CORRIDOR ALL THE WAY DOWN 3, 9 9 AND INTO 78. WE'VE ALSO EXTENDED IT DOWN 15, 18, UH, AND THAT GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO I 10. WE ALSO REACHED OUT TO SLO. WE GOT THEIR, UH, THEY'RE GOING THROUGH A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT RIGHT NOW AS WELL. AND WE ARE WHAT WE FEEL WE HAD. THE ONLY REAL THING THAT WE CHANGED WITH THAT IN MIND WAS ALONG FM 1103 HERE, SLO HAS, UH, A LOT OF ENHANCED COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY GOING ON 1103. SO WE THOUGHT WE WOULD SYNC THAT UP AND PUT SOME LOCAL CORRIDOR THERE AS WELL. SO, FINAL STEPS, UM, WE CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT. WE CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION WITH, UH, ADJUSTMENTS. WE CAN VOTE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND CHANGE SOME THINGS. UM, IT'S UP TO Y'ALL. UH, THE CITY COUNCIL, IF YOU MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE OR DENY OR APPROVE ADJUSTMENTS. UM, CITY COUNCIL WILL BE HEARING THIS NEXT ON THREE 19. SO ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? PUBLIC HEARING, PUBLIC HEARING? SURE. I'M ON THE RIGHT ONE HERE. WHAT? THIS IS ITEM J IT IS, UH, GOOD GRIEF. IT IS, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO BUY BETTER BALL POINTS. IT IS, UH, 12:04 AM PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. ANYBODY, ANYBODY? NOBODY. OKAY. 1205, IT'S CLOSED COMMISSIONERS. ALL RIGHT, LET ME, UH, DID WE NOT, UM, I SEEM TO RECALL SOMETHING ABOUT LOWER SEIN, WHETHER DIDN'T, DIDN'T WE WANT TO DO LOCAL CORRIDOR? YEAH. SO THE IDEA WAS, UH, LET'S TALK TO S SEE WHAT THEY'RE DOING. WE DON'T WANNA MISS OUT ON ANY SORT OF COMMERCIAL THINGS THAT THEY'RE DOING WITH LAURA S AND THEY'RE NOT ALL THAT STUFF DOWN THERE IN THE SLO SIDE IS GONNA BE RESIDENTIAL. WELL, I, YOU KNOW, UM, I THINK WHAT WE GOT IS WHAT WE GOT. I'LL TELL YOU I'M A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED. UH, 'CAUSE YOU WENT, YOU WENT THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION THAT I WAS HOPING YOU WOULD GO, UH, IN, IN TERMS OF FLEXIBILITY. UH, I THINK WE'VE GOT SO MUCH FLEXIBILITY HERE, PARTICULARLY WHERE WE GO WITH, UH, WHAT IS ALL THIS ORANGE COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOOD? YEAH, IT'S SINGLE FAMILY, OKAY. THAT'S ALL THESE DEVELOPERS ARE GONNA COME IN HERE AND WANT TO BUILD. UM, SO, UM, LIKE I SAY, I DON'T THINK THAT SURPRISES ANYBODY. UM, I WAS JUST LOOKING. YEAH, WE'VE ONLY GOT, THE COLORS ARE A LITTLE HARD. SO OUT THERE AT WAY OUT THERE IN SOUTHWESTERN SHIRTS, THAT'S INDUSTRIAL LEFT PURPLE. YEAH, THAT'S INDU. OKAY, SO WE'VE ONLY GOT ONE, TWO, I ONLY SEE THREE OF THE, UM, MIXED USE CENTER. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. AND, AND PART OF IT, AND I WILL JUST MENTION THAT, YOU KNOW, THE ORIGINAL COMP PLAN WAS FROM 2002, AND THEN WE HAD A SECTOR PLAN [06:00:01] AMENDMENT IN 2013. AND, AND PART OF THE CHALLENGE FOR THIS COMP PLAN AMENDMENT WAS, YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF HAD TO PLAY A LITTLE BIT OF CATCH UP WITH WHERE THE COMMUNITY WAS ALREADY GOING. SO THAT INFORMED SOME OF OUR DECISIONS THERE. I UNDERSTAND, RIGHT? WELL, I MEAN, THAT'S WHY I SAY THIS. IT CERTAINLY DOESN'T SURPRISE ME BECAUSE, UH, THEY WERE COMING IN HERE AND WE WERE APPROVING, WELL, WE, CITY COUNCIL WAS APPROVING AMENDMENTS, SO YEAH, YOU JUST KIND OF WHOOP, SORRY, GONE WITH THE FLOW HERE. BUT, UM, YEAH, AS FAR AS I DON'T, I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S TOO MUCH TIME AND EFFORT BEING PUT INTO THIS TO, UM, TO START OVER AGAIN FOR ONE THING. UM, AND, UM, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? GO AHEAD, DANIEL. WHAT'S GONNA BE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 78? THE BELOW SIDE, UH, THAT'S GONNA BE ALL COMMERCIAL FOR CILO AS WELL. THEY HAVE THAT MARKED FOR COMMERCIAL. OKAY, THANK YOU. JUST KIDDING. YEAH, IT IS, IT IS. UH, UH, NICE TO KNOW THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU, YOU'VE LOOKED TO OUR NEIGHBORS AS TO SEE WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO AND, UH, TRY TO BE CONSISTENT. ANYBODY ELSE? FIVE MORE QUICK TRIPS. NOT PLAYING SPORTS IT. ALL RIGHT, SO, UM, ONCE AGAIN, UH, WE HAVE SOME CHOICES HERE AS, AS, AS SAM POINTED OUT, UM, WE CAN, WE CAN KICK THIS ON UP TO CITY COUNCIL WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE, UM, APPROVE WITH SOME IF WE WANT TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, IF WE'VE GOT SOME SPECIFIC IDEAS WE WANT THEM TO PUT IN THERE, UM, WE CAN SAY, NO, WE DON'T LIKE THIS AND RECOMMEND SOME CHANGES AND MAKE THEM GO BACK AND MAKE CHANGES. SO WE'VE GOT SOME OPTIONS HERE. WHATEVER, UH, WHATEVER YOUR, UH, PLEASURE IS HERE. SOMEBODY, UH, WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. YEAH, I, I'LL MAKE A MOTION. WE APPROVE P-L-C-P-A 2 0 2 4 0 0 3 5. ALRIGHT, JUST, JUST TO BE CLEAR, COMMISSIONER HECTOR, THAT'S A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE IT IS. OKAY, I HAVE A SECOND. SECOND. I HAVE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER RO. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION QUESTIONS, INPUT FOR THE TEAM, NOT PLEASE RECORD EVERY TIME I LOOK OVER HERE AND SAY RECORD YOUR VOTE. THERE'S ALREADY TWO OR THREE OF 'EM OUT THERE, BOY. THEY'RE WAY AHEAD OF ME, I'LL TELL YOU THAT. ALL RIGHT, I SEE SIX VOTES. YOU PUBLISH THAT, PLEASE. THAT'S SIX UNOPPOSED. SO WE WILL SEND THE, SEND THIS PLAN TO THE CITY COUNCIL WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE. AND I'M SORRY YOU HAD TO WAIT SO LONG. OKAY. AND MAKE SURE YOU SEND IT TO THEM AT 1210 FERENCE. OH, OKAY. OH, OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO WHAT DO WE GOT? WE HAVE THREE MORE NOW AND I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE TO DO THOSE TONIGHT BECAUSE THEY WERE PUBLIC HEARINGS. RIGHT? AND THE OTHER THING IS HE'S GOING AWAY FOR A, HE'S GOING ON SOME VACATIONS. SO , I I, YOU KNOW, IT'S A TOUGH NIGHT. I THINK PART OF THE PROBLEM WE HAVE IS WE DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THESE CASES ARE GONNA GO, RIGHT? AND SO WE DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE 1215 OR WE DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE 10. YEAH. PART OF THE CHALLENGE WHY STAFF STACK THE MEETING THOUGH IS SAM IS GOING OUT, WE'RE SHORT WITH AMRA IS LEAVING. HE, HERE'S WHAT I WOULD OFFER THOUGH. YOU COULD CERTAINLY JUST QUICKLY MOVE THROUGH AND NOT ACT ON THE ITEMS TABLE AND WE CAN KICK IT BACK. WE DO HAVE ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORK STAFF THOUGH HERE, AND I MEAN THIS SINCERELY. IF Y'ALL HAVE READ THAT CHANGE TO THEIR STUFF AND YOU'RE FINE WITH IT, THEN THEY CAN DO A SUPER BRIEF PRESENTATION, LET YOU MOVE ON. IF YOU'RE NOT SURE THOUGH, YOU'RE LIKE, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT AND I NEED TO EXPLAIN. I GET IT. WE CAN TABLE 'EM UNTIL NEXT TIME AND COME BACK. WELL, I, I WAS GONNA ASK NUMBER ONE. [06:05:01] UH, AND, AND I ALWAYS WONDERED WHY WE WERE ALL THOSE QUESTIONS AND READING THE ANSWERS. WELL, SOMEBODY SAID THAT'S WHAT THE ATTORNEY WANTS US TO DO. SO, SO IS IS THERE SOME WAY WE CAN STREAMLINE THIS PROCESS? BECAUSE, UM, YEAH. ON, ON THE, ON, SO, SO LET ME SAY THIS PART OF WITH THE ZONING CASES IS WE NEED TO GET THE BASIS FOR THE RECOMMENDATION ON THE RECORD IN CASE WE'RE CHALLENGED. OKAY? OKAY. SO YEAH, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HAVING THESE LONGER ZONING CASE PRESENTATIONS, OKAY. FOR THE UDC AMENDMENTS THOUGH, IF, IF YOU GUYS HAVE READ 'EM AND YOU'RE LIKE, YEAH, WE'RE GOOD WITH THEM AND WE CAN GET 'EM AND GO, WE'RE JUST CHANGING THIS AND YOU CAN MOVE ON IF YOU'RE NOT, AND THAT FAIR ENOUGH TO GO AHEAD AND READ THAT WHOLE THING. GOT 150 PAGES, I GOT THROUGH 75, I FELL ASLEEP. FAIR, FAIR ENOUGH. AND I MEAN THAT. ALL RIGHTY. WELL LET'S, LET'S JUST RUN AT IT HERE REAL QUICK. SO ITEM GGF. YES, THANK YOU. I HAD SOME SCRIBBLING IN THE WAY. ITEM F HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING. P-L-U-D-C 20 23 0 2 2 1 HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING WORKSHOP AND DISCUSSION THE POSSIBLE ACTION TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON AMENDMENTS TO PART THREE OF THE CHURCH'S CODE OF ORDINANCES, UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE TO ARTICLE ONE, GENERAL PROVISIONS, ARTICLE FOUR, PROCEDURES AND APPLICATIONS AND ARTICLE 14 TRANSPORTATION WHERE WE'RE AUDITIONING SPEED READERS THIS EVENING. SO, AND THAT IS ESSENTIALLY, BUT REALLY WE WANT TO TAKE OUR TIME, YOU KNOW, UH, SO IF, IF AS WE GO THROUGH THIS THING, IF YOU KNOW YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR SOMETHING, OKAY. OKAY. SO KATHY, PRESS ON. ALRIGHT, SO WE ARE HERE TO, UH, PRESENT SOME CHANGES IN ARTICLES ONE, FOUR AND 14 OF THE UDC. UM, SOME OF THE SECTIONS CONTAIN CONFLICTS WITH OTHER DOCUMENTS SUCH AS THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN, PUBLIC WORKS, DESIGN GUIDE, LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE. UM, SOME LANGUAGE IS AMBIGUOUS, SOME SECTIONS HAVEN'T BEEN UPDATED IN SOME TIME. UH, AND SOME REQUIRE UPDATES TO COMPLY WITH RECENT CHANGES TO THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE. UH, 15 TOTAL SECTIONS ARE BEING AMENDED WITH HIS PROPOSAL. SOME ARE AS SIMPLE AS, UM, ADDING OR CHANGING THE AUTHORITY TO CITY MANAGER OR HIS OR HER DESIGNEE. UH, APOLOGIZE FOR THE FORMATTING ISSUES. UM, THE FIRST CHANGE IS THE DEVELOPMENT MANUAL SECTION. IT ADDS LANGUAGE REQUIRED BY THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE REGULATIONS RELATED TO POSTING OF THE MANUAL, UH, PUBLIC WORK SPECIFICATIONS MANUAL. THERE'S A CHANGE THERE ALSO BECAUSE OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE CHANGES REQUIRES COUNSEL TO APPROVE AMENDMENTS INSTEAD OF LEAVING THAT UP TO STAFF. UM, THE NEXT IS, UH, REMOVING PUBLIC WORKS AS A SEPARATE CERTIFYING DEPARTMENT. PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING WORK CLOSELY TOGETHER AND DUPLICATE REVIEWS. UM, SO ESSENTIALLY THEY'LL STILL BE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS, BUT THERE WON'T BE A SEPARATE CERTIFICATION FROM THEM. UH, IT ALSO MATCHES LANGUAGE THAT CONFLICTED WITH ANOTHER UDC SECTION. UM, THE SECTION ON UTILITY SERVICE EXTENSION, UH, DOES REMOVE THE CITY'S AUTHORITY TO REQUIRE ANNEXATION AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL OF A UTILITY SERVICE, UH, TO PROPERTY THAT ALREADY EXISTS WITHIN THE CITY'S CCN. SO THE CITY'S ALREADY OBLIGATED TO PROVIDE SERVICE. WE CAN'T BASICALLY SAY, WELL, YOU NEED TO BE ANNEXED INTO THE CITY IN ORDER FOR US TO ALLOW YOU TO, UM, TIE ON. IT ALSO EXPLICITLY ADDS THE REQUIREMENT FOR A FORMAL REQUEST FOR UTILITY SERVICE EXTENSION IF A PROJECT IS NOT REQUIRED TO PLAT. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF IT'S IN AN ETJ, UH, IT ADDS A REQUIREMENT ALSO FOR THE APPLICANT TO PROCESS THE CCN TRANSFER UPDATE SERVICE AREA MAP AND AMEND THE CIP. UH, THE APPEALS SECTION, UM, UPDATES TIMEFRAMES TO COMPLY WITH LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE LIMITATIONS, UH, AND THE SECTION ON PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS. CONSTRUCTION PLANS AND IMPROVEMENTS AGREEMENTS ADDS LIMITATION OF EXTENSIONS ON THE CONSTRUCTION PLAN APPROVALS TO NO LONGER THAN THE PLAT EXTENSION. SO IT SYNCS THOSE TWO THINGS. IT ADDS A REQUIREMENT FOR ELECTRIC UTILITIES TO BE INSTALLED PRIOR TO PLAT RECORDATION AND ADDS A REFERENCE TO THE PUBLIC WORKS SPECIFICATIONS MANUAL. UM, NOW, UH, JOHN'S GONNA TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE AMENDMENTS TO THE TRANSPORTATION. UH, ARTICLE 14. GOOD EVENING. I'LL TRY TO RUN THROUGH THIS FAIRLY QUICKLY. UM, I'M HITTING KIND OF THE HIGH POINTS. WE TALKED BEFORE ABOUT HOW SOME CHANGES IN SOME OF THESE SECTIONS ARE REALLY MINOR. WE'RE MAKING SURE WE SPECIFY THE RIGHT DOCUMENT. WE WE'RE CLEANING UP SOME, SOME LANGUAGE, UH, SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY RELATIVELY MINOR, BUT IN, IN, UH, SECTION 21 14 1 WE'RE PROPOSING SOME CHANGES TO INCREASE CLARITY, REDUCE UNINTENDED EXCLUSIONS. [06:10:01] LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE DON'T SPECIFY ALL THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF STREETS OR HIGHWAY FACILITIES IN THE RIGHT MANNER, SOME, UH, COULD ARGUE THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT EXPLICITLY IN THERE, THEY'RE NOT INCLUDED. SO WE'RE WE'RE ADDRESSING THAT. AND TO PROPERLY IDENTIFY SOME DOCUMENTS, WE HAD SOME DOCUMENTS REFERENCED BY INCORRECT NAMES ON PARAGRAPH E. UM, WE'RE ADDRESSING AN INTERNAL CONFLICT AND WE'RE, UM, CHANGING THE CUL-DE-SAC REQUIREMENTS TO MAKE 'EM CONSISTENT WITH THE DESIGN GUIDE AND ALSO, UM, TO ACCOMMODATE OUR, OUR LARGER VEHICLES THAT HAVE DIFFICULTY TURNING AROUND, UH, PARAGRAPH F SOME OF THOSE, SOME OF THE INFORMATION IN THAT WAS CONTAINED IN OTHER DOCUMENTS. AND SO WE'RE INCORPORATING THAT INFORMATION BY REFERENCING THOSE OTHER DOCUMENTS AS OPPOSED TO HAVING IT IN TWO, THE SAME THING IN TWO DIFFERENT PLACES. UH, PARAGRAPH H IS CHANGED TO REFLECT OUR CURRENT PROCEDURE FOR ACTUALLY APPROVING STREET NAMES AND ADDRESSING, UH, PARAGRAPHS N THROUGH P. A LOT OF THOSE CHANGES ARE REDUCING OR ELIMINATING CONFLICTS BETWEEN THE UDC AND OTHER DOCUMENTS, PARTICULARLY THE, UH, MASTER'S THOROUGHFARE PLAN. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A CONFLICT BETWEEN THOSE DOCUMENTS AND ALSO THE PUBLIC WORK SPECIFICATION MANUAL. AND WE ALSO ADDED SOME CLARIFICATION TO DISTINGUISH THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ISLANDS VERSUS MEDIANS AND ROADWAYS. UH, PARAGRAPH S WE, UH, PROPOSED SOME CHANGES THERE TO ACCOUNT FOR, UM, IMPROVING LIGHTING REQUIREMENTS TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE DIFFERENT PARTS OF OUR STREETS WELL LIT. AND ALSO ACCOUNTING FOR THE DIFFERENT, UH, FIXTURES AND POLE HEIGHTS THAT THE DIFFERENT ELECTRICAL PROVIDERS HAVE. AND PARAGRAPH T WAS CHANGED TO REFLECT OUR, OUR CURRENT PRACTICE. OKAY, SECTION 21, 14 0.3. THERE ARE SOME PARAGRAPHS IN THERE. THERE'S STILL SOME LEFT, BUT THERE ARE PARAGRAPHS IN THERE THAT REALLY AREN'T TRANSPORTATION RELATED. THEY'RE MORE ZONING OR LANDSCAPING RELATED. SO WE'RE TAKING THOSE OUT OF THIS SECTION BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY IN ANOTHER SECTION AND THAT WE'RE ALSO PROVIDING CLARIFICATION ON WHICH ROADWAYS, THIS PARTICULAR SECTION ACTUALLY APPLIES TO 21, 14 0.5. THE CHANGES THERE, REMOVE CONFLICTS WITH OTHER DOCUMENTS AND SPECIFIES THAT DRIVEWAYS ON ON STATE FACILITIES ALSO NEED TO MEET TDOT REQUIREMENTS. 21 POINT 14.6 CLARIFIES OUR MINIMUM SIDEWALK WIDTH REMOVES CONFLICTS FROM OTHER DOCUMENTS AND REFERENCES WHERE THOSE STANDARDS ARE. YOU KNOW, THE OTHER DOCUMENTS AGAIN, SO WE DON'T HAVE STUFF IN IN MORE THAN ONE PLACE. SO IF YOU CHANGE ONE, THEN YOU'VE GOTTA GO BACK AND CHANGE THE UDC AND SOMETIMES THERE'S A LAG BETWEEN THAT HAPPEN. SO WE'RE TRYING TO PREVENT FROM CREATING CONFLICTS IN THE FUTURE. 14.7, THIS IS THE ONE. IF YOU READ THROUGH THESE SECTIONS, IT PROBABLY MAKES YOUR HEAD HURT 'CAUSE IT'S ALL TRAFFIC ENGINEERING STUFF. BUT WE'RE AGAIN EXPANDING A LIST OF WHAT WE CAN REQUIRE BE INCLUDED IN A TIA BECAUSE THE CURRENT LANGUAGE DOESN'T HAVE THAT. SO SOMETIMES WE GET PUSHBACK FROM OTHER ENGINEERS SAYING, WELL, THE UDC DOESN'T SAY, DOESN'T SAY WE HAVE TO PROVIDE THAT. SO WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE ENCOMPASSING, PARTICULARLY WHEN WE, WE HAVE UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES OR SITUATIONS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE, WE'RE ANALYZING THINGS APPROPRIATELY. AND WE ALSO HAVE SOME CURRENT LOOPHOLES IN OUR REQUIREMENTS RIGHT NOW. SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE HAVE AN INTERSECTION THAT OPERATES AT A LEVEL OF SERVICE OF D AND A DEVELOPMENT COMES IN AND THEY CHANGE THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE FROM A D TO AN F, THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO DO ANY MITIGATION AT ALL. WE WANTED TO REMOVE THAT LOOPHOLE, SO TO SPEAK. SAY IF THERE IS AN IMPACT, YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO ADDRESS THAT IMPACT. BUT WITH TRAFFIC CONTROL, UM, IN PARTICULAR AND LIKE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, WE ALSO HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT OF MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE BEING ROUGHLY PROPORTIONAL WITH WHAT WE'RE REQUIRING A DEVELOPER TO DO. SO WE ARE CRAFTING LANGUAGE IN THERE TO TRY TO KEEP THAT ROUGH PROPORTIONALITY, UH, UH, THEME IN MIND. SO UNDER THE PROPOSED REQUIREMENTS CHANGE WE'RE GONNA MAKE IS, EXCUSE ME, IF THERE'S AN INTERSECTION AND IT'S IMPACTED, IT'S JUST LIKE THAT EXAMPLE I GAVE GOES FROM A D TO AN F. THE DEVELOPER IS NOT OFF SCOT FREE. THEY'VE CAUSED A PROBLEM AT THAT INTERSECTION. WE CAN'T NECESSARILY MAKE THEM SAY SIGNALIZE THE WHOLE THING [06:15:01] ALL ON THEIRS. IT WOULDN'T BE ROUGHLY PROPORTIONAL. BUT WE CAN SAY YOU'VE ADDED X PERCENTAGE MORE TRAFFIC TO THAT INTERSECTION. SO YOU'VE GOTTA CONTRIBUTE THAT PERCENTAGE COST FOR TOWARDS SIGNALIZATION. WE'RE GETTING SOMETHING TO ADDRESS, HELP ADDRESS THAT MITIGATING THEIR, THEIR EFFECTS. AND IT ALSO HELPS MAKE OUR REQUIREMENTS CONSISTENT WITH OTHER CITIES' REQUIREMENTS. THE FINAL SECTION IS A BRAND NEW SECTION IN THE UDC. THIS IS ONE OUR LEGAL TEAM ADVISED US TO ADD TO HOW DO WE ADDRESS CONFLICTS BETWEEN THE UDC AND OTHER DOCUMENTS. THIS SPECIFIES HOW WE'RE GONNA DEAL WITH THAT WITH THE UDC AMENDMENTS. THERE'S SOME GENERAL APPROVAL CRITERIA THAT WE EVALUATE OR USE TO EVALUATE WHETHER OR NOT IT'S APPROPRIATE TO MAKE A CHANGE IN THE UVC STAFF HAS GONE THROUGH THESE MULTIPLE CHANGES AND MULTIPLE OF THESE, UH, APPROVAL CRITERIA OR ALL OF THEM APPLY IN IN A LOT OF CASES. YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO IMPROVE OUR, OUR CODE AND REMOVING, UH, CONFLICTS, MAKING, UH, IMPROVING CLARITY, MAKING IT MORE CLEAR WHAT'S, UH, WHAT'S REQUIRED. OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT YOU, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF OF THESE CHANGES BECAUSE THEY WOULD REMOVE CONFLICTS BETWEEN THE UDC AND OTHER DOCUMENTS. THEY UPDATE SOME OF OUR STANDARDS BE CURRENT WITH COMMON ENGINEERING PRACTICES AND IMPROVE SOME OF THE TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS TO BETTER FIT OUR COMMUNITY. IT'LL ALSO HELP ALIGN THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE BETTER WITH LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE IN SOME CASES. YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD SOME OF THOSE LEGISLATIVE CHANGES AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE AMENDMENTS AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU WANT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU JOHN. SO AGAIN, PUBLIC HEARING, IT IS, UH, 12:23 AM BRING YOUR BROTHER PEN NEXT TIME. SO THE FLOOR IS OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. ANYBODY WANNA SAY ANYTHING? AND I DON'T SEE ANYBODY. SO IT IS NOW 12:24 AM AND PUBLIC INPUT IS CLOSED. UM, OKAY, I READ THESE THINGS AND SO I I I MAY NOT BE THINKING OF THE RIGHT ONE. UM, STREET NAMES. I THINK I I SEEM TO REMEMBER SOMETHING ABOUT THAT WOULD NOW GO TO P AND Z OR IS THAT IN A DIFFERENT ONE? NO, IT, I READ IT, IT'S IN HERE SOMEWHERE. WE'VE ALWAYS HAD AUTHORITY TO APPROVE STREET NAMES. IT'S STILL IN THERE. AND SO NOW YOUR CUL-DE-SAC RADIO I OR ATTORNEY RATE AGREE WITH WHAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN, RIGHT? YOU GUYS HAVE GOTTEN TOGETHER AND YES. UM, EARLIER THE FIRE DEPARTMENT GAVE A PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL AND THESE STANDARDS HAVE KIND OF ALREADY BEEN ADOPTED. WE'VE ALREADY BEEN ENFORCING THEM. WE'RE NOW INCORPORATING THEM INTO THE UDC. SO THEY'RE ACTUALLY IN THE UDC AND, UM, SOMETHING ABOUT, UH, CITY MANAGER AND OR DESIGNEE THAT IS THAT IN THIS ONE? YES. AND AND THAT WAS WHO THEY SUBMIT THE APPLICATION TO, RIGHT? WELL, I'M PROTECTING MY TURF HERE, SAM. OKAY. I DON'T WANT, I DON'T WANT YOU GUYS TAKING MORE STUFF AWAY FROM US, SO, OKAY, WELL SEE. I DO READ , BUT I TELL YOU IT WAS, UM, YEAH, WELL I THINK, I DON'T KNOW. WE'LL SEE 'EM. BUT WERE YOU PROVIDED THE SUMMARY SHEETS RATHER THAN TRYING TO READ THE, THE, AND THEN SOMETIMES I HAD TO GO READ THE RED LINES IN MY, MY I, YOU KNOW, SOME GUYS. ANYTHING ELSE? ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? SEE ALL THIS FAITH WE HAVE IN CITY STAFF? ALL RIGHT, SO YEAH, I DON'T REMEMBER DOING THAT. IT SAYS NAMES OF ALL NEW STREETS SHOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE APPROVAL OF THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION. MM-HMM, . OKAY. ALRIGHT. RICHARD SAYS IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THERE. OKAY. UM, SO APPROVE, APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS. DENY THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL. I MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE APPROVE P-L-U-D-C 2 0 2 3 0 2 2 1. HAVE A RECOMMENDATION. I HAVE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL. I HAVE A SECOND. I SECOND. ALRIGHT, I'M SORRY, LADIES. WHICH ONE MS. BROWN. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PL UDC 2 2 3 0 2 21. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION? LOOK AT THAT. ALRIGHTYY, RECORD YOUR VOTE PLEASE. [06:20:02] BOY, SOMEBODY WANTS TO GO HOME. I TELL YOU, YOU PUBLISH THAT FOR ME. THERE WE GO. WE HAVE SIX AYES. NOT OPPOSED. THAT MOTION PASSES. ALL RIGHT, SAM, THEY SET THE STANDARD. ALRIGHT, I PROMISE THESE WILL BE QUICK. ALL RIGHT, SO WHERE ARE WE G ARE YOU DONE? UH, HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING PO UUD C 20 24 0 0 4 4 HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING WORKSHOP AND DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION. MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON AMENDMENTS TO PART THREE OF INSURED'S CODE OF ORDINANCES, UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE TO ARTICLE FIVE ZONING DISTRICT AND ARTICLE NINE SITE DESIGN STANDARDS. OKAY, P-L-U-D-C 2 0 2 4 0 0 4 4 SAMUEL SENIOR PLANNER. OKAY, UH, THE, ESSENTIALLY THIS IS A TWO PART AMENDMENT. ONE, WE ARE PROPOSING TO ELIMINATE THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENT IN PUB DISTRICTS. RIGHT NOW IT'S SET FOR 35 FEET. UH, IT'S SEEING AS HOW THAT MOST OF THOSE PARCELS IN THE CITY, THERE'S 70 ARE EITHER GOVERNMENT OR CIVIC USE, CCMA, US, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER GOVERNMENT ENTITY, UH, SCHOOLS OR THERE ARE PLACES OF WORSHIP OR, AND THEN THERE'S THIS ONE RANDOM LOT THAT A PRIVATE CITIZEN OWNS IN CRESCENT BEND. IT'S TINY. IT'S WEIRD, BUT YOU CAN'T BUILD ANYTHING ON IT. ANYWAY, UH, RIGHT NOW IT'S AT 35 FEET AND THE, WE DECIDE, WE STAFF LOOKED AT THIS AND SAID, WHAT ARE WE GONNA SET IT TO? THE ELEVATED, THE CORPORATE ELEVATED STORAGE TANK IS 225 FEET. UH, SAMUEL CLEMONS IS ALMOST 60 FEET, YOU KNOW, THE HIGH SCHOOL OVER THERE. LIKE, WHAT DO WE SET THIS TO? SO WE LOOKED AT OTHER CITIES, WE LOOKED AT SEVEN OTHER CITIES. EITHER THEY DIDN'T HAVE A SIMILAR ZONING DISTRICT, OR WHEN THEY DID, THEY DIDN'T HAVE A HEIGHT REQUIREMENT. SO WE'RE REALLY JUST MASHING WHAT PEOPLE ARE DOING, YOU KNOW, IN THE REGION ANYWAY. AND WE ALSO JUST COULDN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DETERMINE. SO SEEING AS HOW THAT MOST OF THIS IS CIVIC USE ANYWAY. AND THEN WE ARE, WE'RE ADDING THIS LITTLE KEY IN THAT SAYS THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR PUB DISTRICT, YOU GOTTA FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES OF THE ACOS ANYWAY. SO THERE'S GONNA BE SOME HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS ANYWAY. SO THIS IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. LET'S JUST ELIMINATE IT. LET'S NOT MAKE IT DIFFICULT. LET'S NOT MAKE EVERYBODY COME IN FOR A VARIANCE EVERY TIME THEY WANNA BUILD A, YOU KNOW, WATER TOWER OR SOMETHING. AND THEN WE HAVE SOME ARTICLE NINE CLEANUP, UH, THIS SEP THING IN 12. WE GOT RID OF THAT A LONG TIME AGO. WE'RE JUST MAKING IT CONSISTENT. AND THEN WE DON'T WANT SETBACKS ON LOTS THAT WE RECORD AT THE COUNTY. SETBACKS ARE DETERMINED BY ZONING DISTRICTS AND LOTS ARE PERMANENTLY RECORDED AT THE COUNTY. SO IF WE CHANGE THE ZONING DISTRICT AND THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT SETBACK ON THE, THERE'S SOME CONFLICT THAT CAN BE THERE, AND WE DON'T DO THIS ANYWAY. I DON'T KNOW WHY. IT'S IN OUR UDC SOMETHING THAT'S PROBABLY JUST A, A HOLDOVER FROM A PREVIOUS, UH, TIME. SO STAFFS RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THESE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. THERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT. SO ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING. IT IS, UH, 12:30 AM ANY PUBLIC INPUT? ANYBODY? NOBODY. OKAY. IT'S STILL 12:30 AM COMMISSIONERS. I'M JUST CURIOUS, SAM, WHAT'S THE CHURCH WANTING TO DO? THEY WANNA BUILD LIKE A 38 FOOT SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, A FACADE, A GREATER FACADE TO THEIR BUILDING. OKAY. THAT'S ALL. WELL, I'M A LITTLE COMFORTABLE HAVING NONE, NO HEIGHT. UM, BUT, BUT I GUESS THE REAL CONCERN IS THE AIRPLANES AND USSEIN THAT'S HANDLED IN A, IN A MM-HMM. IN A DIFFERENT WAY. UM, SOME, 'CAUSE IT'S BEEN A WHILE, BUT WE DID HAVE AN ISSUE. UM, THERE'S THE WRONG BUTTON THERE. UM, WITH THE UNITED METHODIST CHURCH ON 3 0 0 9, WHEN THEY WANTED TO PUT THAT SPIRAL ON TOP OF THEIR CHURCH, THEY EXCEEDED THE HEIGHT LIMIT AND WE, I DON'T REMEMBER. HOW DO WE SOMEHOW, ANYWAY, SO THEY HAD TO RUN A WHOLE GAMUT AND THEN THEY GOT THEIR APPROVAL. SO, AND YOU SAY THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND US. OKAY. YEAH. NOBODY ELSE HAS REQUIREMENTS IN THEIR CIVIC DISCUSS. ALL RIGHTY. ANYBODY ELSE? APPROVE, APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY? AGAIN, THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL G-P-L-U-D-C 2 24 0 0 4 4. RIGHT? SOMEBODY KEEPING ME HONEST. MOTION THAT WE APPROVE AS SUBMITTED A SECOND. ALL RIGHTY. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION QUESTIONS? LOOK AT THAT. OH, ALL RIGHT. [06:25:01] I'LL JUST KEEP, TRY TO KEEP UP WITH YOU GUYS. ALRIGHT. RECORD YOUR VOTES, PLEASE. HERE WE GO. WE GOT SIX. YOU PUBLISH YET PLEASE. SIX AYES. NONE OPPOSED THAT MOTION PASSES. ONE MORE. ONE MORE. ONE MORE. ALL RIGHT. THEY ALREADY SAYS REASON ITEM ITEM H UH, IS P-L-U-D-C 2 2 4 0 0 4 5. HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING WORKSHOP AND DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON AMENDMENTS TO PART THREE OF THE SHERIFF'S CODE OF ORDINANCES, UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE TO ARTICLE FIVE ZONING DISTRICT AND ARTICLE 16 DEFINITIONS. UDC 2 0 2 4 0 0 4 5. SAMUEL HOST, SENIOR PLANNER. UH, SO THERE'S BEEN INTEREST IN THE CITY FOR SELF STORAGE AND GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT. TRADITIONALLY, WE HAVE TREATED THESE, THESE FACILITIES IN THE CITY AS A LITTLE MORE INTENSE OF A LAND USE. THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT THEY'RE GENERALLY CONSTRUCTED. METAL, MOSTLY METAL, LOW SLUNG. WE THINK THAT THIS IS MORE APPROPRIATE AND M1, M TWO AND WITH, AND, UH, GB AS WELL WITH A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. BUT STORAGE THESE DAYS IS TRENDING TOWARDS STUFF LIKE THIS. UH, AND A LITTLE BIT HIGHER, UH, ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS, EVEN MIXED USE. UH, YOU'LL SEE ON THIS, WE HAVE SOME RETAIL DOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS CHICAGO STYLE. COULD BE PIZZA, COULD BE MEN'S CLOTHING, I DON'T KNOW. BUT RIGHT HERE AT THE TOP LEFT, THAT'S ALREADY IN SHIRTS, THIS IS ACTUALLY CALLED CUBESMART. IT'S OVER OFF OF 1103 RIGHT NOW. AND PART OF, THEY HAD TO DO IT THROUGH A PDD IN ORDER TO PUT IT THERE. AND PART OF THAT PDD WAS THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE 3.8% OF THEIR UNITS TO BE LEASED AS OFFICE OR RETAIL. SO WE'RE ALREADY DOING IN THE CITY OF SHIRTS. WHY NOT MAKE A NEW LAND USE CATEGORY? SO THE PROPOSAL FROM THE CITY IS WE USE COMMISSIONER OUTLAW'S FAVORITE WORD MIXED USE, AND WE INCLUDE IT IN SELF-STORAGE. AND THE, THE BASIC DEFINITION IS A CLIMATE CONTROLLED BUILDING CONTAINING GROUND FLOOR RETAIL SERVICES OR OFFICE SPACE WITH SEPARATE INDIVIDUAL STORAGE UNITS FOR RENT OR LEASE THE STORAGE UNITS? NO, NO BUSINESS CAN HAPPEN IN THESE STORAGE UNITS. UM, AND THE BUILDING SHALL BE A MINIMUM OF 45 FEET. THAT WAY WE ENSURE WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT LOOKS SOMETHING LIKE THIS, MINIMUM 45 FEET, AND WE'RE PERMITTING IT BY RIGHT? AN M1, M TWO, GB TWO, AND WITH AN SUP AND GV STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THESE AMENDMENTS. ALL RIGHT. ONE MORE PUBLIC HEARING. IT IS A 12:34 AM ANYBODY? NOBODY? OKAY. WAIT, WAIT, WAIT A MINUTE. WAIT A MINUTE. WAIT A MINUTE. BUT NO PUBLIC HEARING. OH, SORRY. SO IT'S, IT'S STILL 1234. PUBLIC INPUT IS CLOSED. ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, SAM, WOULD YOU PUT YOUR PRESENTATION BACK UP THERE AND, UH, IS THAT THE END? YEAH, BACK UP A LITTLE BIT FURTHER. RIGHT THERE. OKAY. UM, SO YOU'RE TALKING, THEY'VE, THEY'VE GOT TO BE AT LEAST, WHAT, 45 FEET TALL? AT LEAST? AT LEAST. SO THE, THE NEW, SO WE'LL GET NO MORE OF THE LITTLE SINGLE STORY. OKAY. AND THE CONDUCT OF SALES BUSINESS OR ANY ACTIVITY OTHER THAN STORAGE, SHALL BE PROHIBITED WITHIN THE INDIVIDUAL STORAGE UNITS. CORRECT. WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS A LITTLE OFFICE IN THE FRONT AND THEN A STORAGE UNIT BEHIND IT. SO YOU'RE, ARE, ARE, ARE YOU SEEING NO MORE OF THAT OR, YEAH. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN HAVE THESE STORAGE UNITS, BUT YOU CAN'T OPERATE BUSINESSES OUT OF THESE STORAGE UNITS. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS STUFF LIKE THIS, WHAT YOU SEE ON THESE TWO BOTTOM PICTURES HERE, WE WANT GROUND FLOOR RETAIL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SPECIFICALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IN THIS. SO THERE, THERE'D BE NO STORAGE ON THAT FIRST FLOOR, ON THAT GROUND FLOOR. SO THERE WOULD BE NO, THERE. SO IF YOU HAD STORAGE ON THE GROUND FLOOR, YOU COULDN'T BE RUNNING A BUSINESS OUT OF IT. OKAY. SO THEY COULD, SO THEY COULD HAVE, THE PERIMETER OF THE BUILDING COULD BE OFFICE SPACE, AND THEN THE INTERIOR OF THAT PERIMETER COULD BE STORAGE UNITS. MM-HMM, . ALRIGHT. LIKE, LIKE PER POINT, LIKE AN ACTUAL LIKE, YOU KNOW, UPS STORE OR, YOU KNOW? RIGHT. SO THE, THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE IS IF YOU GO UP HERE TO THIS SIMILAR FACILITY THAT'S UP HERE ON, ON 35 RIGHT HERE, BY 3 0 9, WHAT THEY'VE DONE IS AROUND THE [06:30:01] PERIMETER, THEY HAVE, UM, THE, THE, THE FRONT PART, AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S HALF OR WHAT THAT THAT'S AN OFFICE AND THEN THAT BUSINESS HAS ACCESS TO THE STORAGE UNIT BEHIND IT. OKAY. THAT WOULD STILL BE ALLOWED. SO I WOULD SAY IF THAT'S PART OF THEIR BUSINESS, YES, BUT IT'S, SO, SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS IF I GO UP SECOND OR THIRD FLOOR AND, AND IT'S JUST THE STORAGE UNIT, RIGHT? I CAN'T RUN A BUSINESS OUT IT. CORRECT. OKAY. OKAY. GOTCHA. WE NEED TO SEND CODE ENFORCEMENT OUT BECAUSE THERE'S BUSINESSES BEING DONE IN THESE STORAGE UNITS ALL OVER TOWN. OKAY. ENFORCEMENT. I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THOUGH, THAT EACH OF THOSE BUSINESSES GET A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, THOUGH. THEY'RE INSPECTED BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS DEPARTMENT. SO THEY'RE NOT JUST A STORAGE UNIT. THE ONES ON THE BOTTOM WERE BUILT SPECIFICALLY FOR OFFICES. YEAH. NO, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME STORAGE UNITS LIKE THE ONE ON 3 0 0 9 AND 78 AND OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY THAT HAVE BUSINESSES BEING RUN OUT OF THEM. YEAH, WE HAVE, WE HAVE TWO THAT ARE PERMITTED TO DO THAT TYPE OF BUSINESS THOUGH. THE STORAGE ON THE BOTTOM. THERE'S ONE ON 1103, AND THEN THERE'S ONE ON 3 0 9. IF THEY'RE DOING 'EM OTHER PLACES, OTHER PLACES IS WHAT I'M SAYING. GIVE 'EM A SPEEDING TICKET. YEAH. , WE'VE GOT, YOU CAN CAN TURN THAT IN ANONYMOUSLY AT CITYVIEW. IT'S NOT MY JOB. IT'S CODE ENFORCEMENT'S JOB. WELL, IF WE DON'T KNOW, IF WE DON'T KNOW. I'M NOT, I'M NOT A POLICEMAN. I DON'T HAVE A BADGE AND I DON'T HAVE A GUN, SO I'M, I'M NOT DOING IT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONERS, ENFORCEMENT. ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT, SAME THING. APPROVE, APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY THIS A RECOMMENDATION. RECOMMEND APPROVAL. P-L-U-D-C 2 0 2 4 0 0 4 5. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. AND WE HAVE A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT, CAST YOUR VOTE. I HAVE SIX VOTES. YOU PUBLISH THAT FOR ME. SIX AYES. NONE OPPOSED? THAT MOTION PASSES. ALL RIGHT. ITEM SIX, REQUEST [6. REQUESTS AND ANNOUNCEMENTS] AND ANNOUNCEMENTS. REQUEST BY COMMISSIONER TO PLACE ITEMS ON FUTURE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENDA. ANYBODY? ITEM B, ANNOUNCEMENTS BY COMMISSIONERS. ANYBODY, CITY STAFF? DON'T YOU DARE. OKAY. . ALL RIGHT. UH, AND THEN, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT A IS. IT GOES B, C, A, CURRENT PROJECTS AND CITY COUNCIL STATUS UPDATE. THAT'S PART OF YOUR, UH, PACKET. IF YOU, UH, SHOWS YOU WHERE EVERYTHING'S AT AND IT IS NOW 12:40 AM OR AS US AIR FORCE GUYS LIKE TO SAY 0, 0, 4 0. AND THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.