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           THAT WOKE EVERYBODY UP. 
          . 
          I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO 
          [1. CALL TO ORDER / ROLL CALL THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING]
ORDER. 
          UH, WE'RE GONNA START OFF THIS EVENING, UH, WITH THE, THIS IS SEPTEMBER 4TH, 2024. 
          WE'RE GONNA BEGIN WITH THE SHIRTS, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING, UH, CALL TO ORDER SEAT ALTERNATES. 
          I THINK WE HAVE BOTH OF THEM WITH US THIS EVENING. 
          HEARING OF RESIDENCE, ANYBODY, NOBODY. 
          ITEM NUMBER FOUR 
          [A.  Hold a public hearing, consider, and file the semi-annual report evaluating the progress of the City on achieving the capital improvements program and identifying any problems in implementing the plans or administering the capital recovery fees.]
IS A PUBLIC HEARING POLL. 
          THE PUBLIC HEARING, CONSIDERING FILE, THE SEMI-ANNUAL REPORT, EVALUATING THE PROGRESS OF THE CITY ON ACHIEVING THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM, AND IDENTIFYING ANY PROBLEMS AND IMPLEMENTING THE PLANS OR ADMINISTERING THE CAPITAL RECOVERY FEES. 
          KATHY, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. 
          UM, SO THIS, UH, FIRST ITEM, ACTUALLY, WE HAVE THE POWERPOINT UP HERE A LITTLE EARLY, BUT, UH, SO WE HAVE TWO ITEMS TO TALK ABOUT, AND ONE IS THE SEMI-ANNUAL REPORT, AND THIS ONE IS COVERING THE PERIOD FROM, UH, OCTOBER 1ST, 2023 TO MARCH 31ST, 2024. 
          SO I'M A BROKEN RECORD EVERY TIME I POINT OUT HOW LATE WE ARE WITH THIS. 
          UM, BUT RECOGNIZE THAT, THAT ALL OF THE NUMBERS ON THE REPORT IN THE ATTACHMENT, UM, AND IN THE STAFF REPORT ARE FROM THAT PERIOD OF TIME. 
          SO I'M GONNA GIVE YOU JUST A QUICK UPDATE ON EACH ONE OF THE PROJECTS AND WHERE WE ARE. 
          AND THE UPDATE THAT I'M GONNA GIVE YOU IS, IS KIND OF WHERE WE ARE TODAY. 
          UM, ALTHOUGH THE NUMBERS ARE FROM THAT, THAT PREVIOUS PERIOD. 
          SO FIRST, FOR WATER PROJECTS THAT ARE FUNDED BY IMPACT FEES, UH, THE CORBET GROUND STORAGE TANK, UH, WE ARE IN THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE, OF COURSE. 
          UM, THE TANK ITSELF, THE STRUCTURE OF THE TANK IS ESSENTIALLY COMPLETE, AND CONTRACTORS ARE WORKING ON THE SITE NOW TO RUN CONDUITS FOR THE ELECTRICAL AND THE CONTROLS, UH, FOR THE, THE PUMPING STATION THAT GOES ALONG WITH THE TANK. 
          UM, THINGS ARE GOING WELL WITH THE PROJECT. 
          UM, THERE IS A DELAY FOR ONE OF THE, UM, PIECES OF, UH, ELECTRONIC EQUIPMENT THAT GOES INTO THE MOTOR CONTROL CENTER. 
          SO WE WILL BE SOMEWHAT DELAYED, BUT IT'S NOT, UH, A BIG PROBLEM FOR OUR SYSTEM. 
          THIS ISN'T A HUGELY TIME SENSITIVE PROJECT. 
          UM, AND WE DO EXPECT IT TO BE DONE PROBABLY MAY OR JUNE OF 25. 
          UH, OTHER, ANOTHER PROJECT THAT WE'RE WORKING ON WITH WATER THAT'S IMPACT FEE FUNDED IS THE, UM, WHERE SINE TO LOWER SINE AND GRAY TOWN TO FILE LOOP LINES. 
          UM, THOSE ARE ESSENTIALLY COMPLETE WITH DESIGN. 
          UH, AND OUR CONSULTANT IS WORKING ON EASEMENT ACQUISITION. 
          SO THOSE BOTH DO RUN ACROSS PRIVATE PROPERTY. 
          ONE OF THEM LITERALLY, UM, FROM WHERE SGU TO LOWER SGU, UH, NOT, NOT WITHIN OR ADJACENT TO ANY RIGHT OF WAY. 
          THE GREAT TOWN TO FILE DOES GO ALONG I 10, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE IN AN EASEMENT, UM, OUTSIDE THE TEXT OUT RIGHT OF WAY. 
          SO WORKING, UM, WITH THAT TO GET WITH PROPERTY OWNERS AND, AND HOPEFULLY WE WON'T HAVE TO DO EMINENT DOMAIN. 
          HOPEFULLY THEY'LL BE WILLING TO, UM, WORK WITH US AND, AND, UH, WE'LL BE ABLE TO ACQUIRE THE EASEMENTS WITHOUT TOO MUCH DIFFICULTY. 
          UM, ALSO, UH, WE HAVE EXPENSES FOR THE CITYWIDE WATER MASTER PLAN AND IMPACT FEE UPDATE STUDY. 
          UM, THIS ONE, IT'S THE SAME IN WATER AND WASTEWATER, UH, AND THAT WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT, UH, IN A FEW MINUTES. 
          UH, WITH SEWER, OUR BIGGEST PROJECT, OF COURSE, IS THE WOMAN HOLLERING CREEK WASTEWATER PROJECT, WHICH IS THE LONG, UH, GRAVITY, 30 INCH GRAVITY MAIN, UH, LIFT STATION AND FORCE MAIN OVER TO THE SOUTH CCMA PLANT. 
          UM, THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN SOMEWHAT PLAGUED WITH DELAYS, UM, SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES. 
          UH, WE'RE VERY CLOSE TO COMPLETION ON THE PROJECT, BUT WE'VE BEEN HAVING CONTINUED ISSUES WITH ONE OF THE PUMPS THAT WAS DELIVERED TO THE SITE. 
          I THINK WE'RE ON THE FOURTH, UH, TIME THAT WE'RE HAVING TO PULL IT OUT TO, TO MAKE SOME FIXES TO IT, HAVE IT REPAINTED. 
          UM, WE DO HAVE THE, THE VENDOR'S WORD THAT IF THIS TIME DOESN'T TAKE CARE OF IT, WE'RE GETTING A WHOLE NEW PUMP. 
          UM, IT'S BEEN VERY FRUSTRATING, BUT WE ARE VERY CLOSE TO, TO THE END ON THAT. 
          SO THIS WILL BE THE FIRST WATER, I'M SORRY, WASTEWATER THAT'LL GO TO THE NEW CCMA PLANT. 
          AND WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM CLOSELY TO COORDINATE THAT STARTUP OF THAT PLANT. 
          UH, FOR ROADWAY, WE HAVEN'T USED A LOT OF THE ROADWAY IMPACT FEES THAT WE'VE COLLECTED, UH, BUT WE DID AS USUAL HAVE THE ANNUAL, UM, PARTIAL REIMBURSEMENT FOR THE RIPS CHRYSLER EXTENSION THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED BY A DEVELOPER. 
          AND WE PAY 30% OF WHAT WE COLLECT IN THAT SERVICE AREA EACH YEAR UNTIL WE 
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HAVE PAID BACK THE TOTAL AMOUNT, UH, OF THE REIMBURSEMENT. 
          SO THIS PERIOD WE REIMBURSE A LITTLE OVER 57,000. 
          WE STILL HAVE ABOUT 148,000 REMAINING, SO A FEW MORE YEARS, AND WE SHOULD HAVE THAT, UH, PAID OFF. 
          UH, AND THEN WE'VE GOT, UM, THE ACTUAL, UH, ACCOUNTING REPORTS THAT MR. WALTERS PUT TOGETHER. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, HE COULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT. 
          UM, BUT THEY'RE IN THE SAME FORMAT, SAME TYPE OF INFORMATION THAT YOU'VE SEEN SEEN FOR YEARS. 
          SO I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE OR, UH, THIS ONE REQUIRES THAT YOU RECOMMEND THAT COUNSEL APPROVE OR ACCEPT THE, UH, REPORT. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          LET ME ASK, SO ARE WE GOING TO DO, ARE THERE INDIVIDUAL REPORTS OR IS IT ONE, SO WHAT I'M ASKING, BECAUSE IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING, SO RIGHT. 
          ARE YOU DONE WITH THE REPORTS OR, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          YES, WE WENT THROUGH THE WATER, THE WASTEWATER, AND THE ROADWAY. 
          ALRIGHT, SO PUBLIC HEARING, IT IS, UH, 6:06 PM ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THIS SUBJECT IS WELCOME TO STEP FORWARD. 
          I SEE NO ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          IT IS STILL 6:06 PM AND PUBLIC INPUT IS CLOSED. 
          COMMISSIONERS, ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS REPORT? I HAVE ONE. 
          ALRIGHT, GO AHEAD. 
          UM, THE PIECE ABOUT, UM, HOPEFULLY NOT HAVING TO ENFORCE THE IMMINENT DOMAIN, HAVE YOU ALREADY LET THEM KNOW ABOUT THE SITUATION? THE PEOPLE, THE RESIDENTS? YEAH. 
          SO THEY'RE AWARE? YES. 
          SO THE FIRST THING THAT HAPPENS IS, UH, WE REQUEST RIGHT OF ENTRY TO THEIR PROPERTY SO THAT WE CAN DO SURVEYS AND, UM, OBSERVATION OF, OF WHAT'S THERE, LOOK AT THE, ANY ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS, THAT SORT OF THING. 
          UM, AND AT THAT TIME, THEY'RE ALSO TOLD WHAT, THAT THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT WE'RE GONNA NEED EASEMENT ACROSS THEIR PROPERTY. 
          THERE'S A WHOLE PROCESS THAT HAS TO BE MET, UM, INCLUDING PRO PROVIDING THEM WITH THE LANDOWNER'S BILL OF RIGHTS AND LET THEM KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE INTEND TO ALSO PERFORM AN APPRAISAL. 
          UM, AND SO THEY DO NEED TO SIGN THE, THE RIGHT OF ENTRY, AND WE MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE AWARE OF WHAT THE SITUATION IS. 
          AND, UM, AND THEN WE, WE WORK THROUGH THE PROCESS. 
          SO WHEN WILL, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHEN DOES THAT ACTUALLY GET DISCUSSED? SO I WOULD HOPE WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS, UM, I, I DID SEE SOMETHING THAT I GUESS ONE OF THE PROPERTIES MAY BE SOMEWHAT PROBLEMATIC, IN WHICH CASE THERE'S, FORTUNATELY, THE ROUTE THAT WE'RE TAKING IS FAIRLY WIDE OPEN. 
          IT'S IT'S FARM AREAS. 
          UM, AND THERE WE, WE TRY TO SET THE ALIGNMENT SO THAT IT RUNS ALONG PROPERTY LINES, UM, SO IT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, BISECT SOMEONE'S PROPERTY AND, AND, UM, RENDER IT LESS DESIRABLE BECAUSE IT'S GOT A, AN ENCUMBRANCE GOING THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF IT. 
          UM, SO WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT MAYBE WHICH PARCELS MIGHT BE MORE FAVORABLE, UM, IN THAT RESPECT. 
          BUT, UH, WE'LL GET A, A BETTER FEEL FROM OUR CONSULTANT FAIRLY SOON. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          ANYONE ELSE? GO AHEAD, RICHARD. 
          HI, KATHY. 
          THE, UH, THE PROJECT TO LINK THE, UH, TANK THAT'S NEAR  TO LIVE OAK, IS THAT ON THIS PLAN ANYWHERE? IT IS NOT. 
          THAT PROJECT HAS BEEN, UM, ON HOLD WHILE WE WORK THROUGH SOME ISSUES WITH SOME HOAS THAT HAVE SOME, SOME MAJOR HEARTBURN WITH THE ROUTE THAT WE, UM, DISCUSSED THERE. 
          WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT SOME ALTERNATIVES, UM, PERHAPS HYDRAULICALLY WITH THE, THE CIP AND THE NEW MASTER PLAN THAT WE HAVE. 
          UM, WE, WE FOUND THROUGH THAT PROCESS THAT LIKELY WE STILL DO NEED THAT TRANSMISSION MAINE, BUT I THINK WE'VE SHIFTED IT OFF TO APPROXIMATELY FISCAL YEAR 26, I THINK, TO MOVE FURTHER FORWARD WITH THAT. 
          SO IT'S IN THE CIP? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          WELL, I JUST WANNA SAY AGAIN, UH, HOW WELL THAT, UH, PARTNERSHIP, THAT PRIVATE, WHATEVER, WHERE WE FUNDED, UH, OUR PART OF RIPS CROSS, OR I USE IT A LOT, FORTUNATELY, NOT A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE USE IT YET. 
          UM, BUT, UM, I CERTAINLY DO 
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AND IT'S, IT'S, UM, IT, IT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE CITY CAN DO. 
          AND, UH, HOPEFULLY WE MAY SEE SOME MORE OF THAT, UH, IN THE FUTURE. 
          UM, DO WE APPROVE THIS OR RECOMMEND IT RECOMMENDING? OKAY, SO THIS IS, THIS IS A, I NEED A MOTION RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OR I GUESS DISAPPROVAL, UH, OF THIS REPORT TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          I'LL RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS REPORT. 
          I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THAT? DANIEL ? I RECOMMEND A RE APPROVAL. 
          APPROVAL. 
          OKAY. 
          , SORRY, I'LL SECOND WHO IS THAT? BRIAN. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE, UH, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM REPORT. 
          WE HEARD THIS EVENING TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY. 
          THE ELECTRONIC VOTING IS NOT SET UP FOR CIA, UM, FOR THIS MEETING, SO I NEED A VOICE VOTE IF WE JUST ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF, YOU KNOW, SAY AYE OR NAY. 
          START AT THAT END. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          SO THAT MAKES SEVEN A'S AND NONE OPPOSED THAT MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ITEM NUMBER FIVE 
          [A. Workshop and presentation on Water and Wastewater Capital Recovery Fees (Impact Fees)]
IS WORKSHOP AND DISCUSSION. 
          FIVE, A WORKSHOP AND PRESENTATION ON WATER AND WASTEWATER CAPITAL RECOVERY FEES, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS IMPACT FEES. 
          KATHY? YES. 
          SO NOW WE'LL GO BACK TO, UM, THE BEGINNING. 
          WE WERE TALKING A LITTLE BIT. 
          THAT REPORT IS, UM, WHAT WE BRING, UH, TWICE A YEAR TO GO OVER HOW WE'RE SPENDING THE FUNDS. 
          UM, AND EVERY SO OFTEN, UH, BY STATUTE FIVE YEARS, BUT QUITE OFTEN WE DON'T MEET THAT. 
          IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN QUITE A WHILE. 
          UM, WE RE UH, EVALUATE THE IMPACT FEES AND, AND MAKE UPDATES TO THEM. 
          SO, UM, IT'S TAKEN US QUITE A WHILE TO GET THROUGH THIS UPDATE. 
          WE, IT'S A, IT'S A WHOLE STA WHOLESALE RELOOK AT THINGS, AND WE STARTED RIGHT ABOUT WHEN COVID HIT. 
          SO, UM, WE'VE REALLY STRUGGLED TO, TO KEEP UP WITH DEVELOPMENT IS HAPPENING VERY, VERY QUICKLY, BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A BASELINE TO START WITH AND PROJECT FROM THERE. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN A REAL STRUGGLE. 
          AND WE ARE CONSTANTLY TELLING OUR CONSULTANT, WE NEED TO UPDATE THIS, WE NEED TO UPDATE THIS. 
          THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN'T JUST CONTINUE TO UPDATE. 
          WE'LL STUDY THIS FOREVER. 
          SO, UM, IN ANY CASE, WE'RE FINALLY GETTING THERE. 
          AND SO WE THOUGHT, SINCE WE'VE GOT SOME NEW FOLKS WHO HAVEN'T BEEN THROUGH ONE OF THESE EITHER UPDATES OR, UM, SEVERAL YEARS AGO WHEN WE ADOPTED THE ROADWAY IMPACT FEE PROGRAM FOR THE FIRST TIME, UM, THOUGHT WE'D KIND OF GO BACK AND DO A, AN IMPACT FEE 1 0 1, UH, FOR EVERYBODY AND SORT OF SET THE STAGE, UH, FOR WHAT'S GONNA COME IN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS THAT IT'S, UH, THAT YOU GUYS WILL PLAY AN IMPORTANT ROLE IN. 
          UH, SO PAYING FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          UH, SO THE RATES ARE, OH, WAIT A MINUTE, I APOLOGIZE. 
          I HAVE, UH, I'M OUT OF ORDER, BUT WE'LL FLIP AROUND. 
          THANKS. 
          IT'S KIND OF A LAST MINUTE THING. 
          UM, SO IMPACT FEES, CAPITAL RECOVERY FEES, THEY'RE AUTHORIZED. 
          BUT THE STATE OF TEXAS IN 1987 WAS THE ORIGINAL LEGISLATURE THAT AUTHORIZED THEM, AND THEY'RE CODIFIED IN THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE AS CHAPTER 3 95. 
          THE LEGISLATION AUTHORIZES CITIES TO COLLECT FEES FROM NEW DEVELOPMENT TO FUND NEW CONSTRUCTION OR EXPANSION OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, INCLUDING WATER, WASTEWATER, DRAINAGE, AND ROADWAY FACILITIES. 
          SO HERE IN THE CITY OF SCHERTZ, WE HAVE WATER IMPACT FEES, WASTEWATER IMPACT FEES, AND ROADWAY IMPACT FEES. 
          WE DON'T HAVE DRAINAGE. 
          UM, THAT'S NOT SUPER COMMON, UH, YET. 
          IN FACT, WE WERE ONE OF THE FIRST COMMUNITIES TO ADOPT ROADWAY IMPACT FEES, BUT WATER AND WASTEWATER HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE. 
          UM, SO WHAT IMPACT FEES ARE, THEY'RE A ONE-TIME FEE THAT'S PAID BY DEVELOPMENT, UH, TO PAY FOR OR REIMBURSE THE COST OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT BENEFITS THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          UH, IT'S NOT A TAX THAT'S PAID BY PROPERTY OWNERS, AND IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE RATES THAT, UH, CUSTOMERS PAY. 
          SO IT DOESN'T AFFECT FOLKS EXISTING CUSTOMERS WATER BILLS OR WASTEWATER BILLS. 
          UM, LET ME GO BACK AND GO OVER THIS ONE SO WE DON'T FORGET IT. 
          SO, UH, JUST WANNA MAKE THIS POINT. 
          SO IN ORDER TO BUILD ALL OF THE WATER AND WASTEWATER INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S NEEDED TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY, THE FUNDING CAN COME FROM A VARIETY OF SOURCES. 
          SO ONE IS, AND THE, THE PRIMARY SOURCE OF THE RATES PAID BY THE CUSTOMERS, UH, THE CITY OCCASIONALLY HAS TO PITCH IN. 
          SO THAT 
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COMES FROM THE PROPERTY TAX THAT'S COLLECTED. 
          THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, PARTICULARLY LATELY IS, UM, FUNDING SOME FAIRLY SUBSTANTIAL, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS. 
          UM, THEY DID TRI-COUNTY PARKWAY, WHICH INCLUDED SOME, UH, WASTEWATER LINEUP SIZE, THEIR FUNDING LOOKOUT ROAD, WHICH IS GONNA HAVE A WASTEWATER LINEUP SIZE. 
          AND THEY'RE ALSO PARTICIPATING, I BELIEVE, IN THE MAIN STREET PROJECT, WHICH WILL HAVE NEW WATER AND WASTEWATER, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          ALSO, UH, GRANTS OCCASIONALLY THE, UM, GROUND STORAGE TANK, THE CORBETT GROUND STORAGE TANK THAT IMPACT FEES ARE PAYING FOR A PORTION OF THAT 2.5 MILLION, I BELIEVE IS, IS BEING FUNDED BY A GRANT. 
          UH, BUT THE OTHER BIG FUNDING SOURCE IS NEW DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE COMES IN, BUILDS AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, AND THEY NEED, UH, MORE INFRASTRUCTURE TO SERVE WATER AND WASTEWATER TO THAT APARTMENT COMPLEX SO THAT THEY PAY AN IMPACT FEE, UM, TO HELP WITH THAT, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE CONSTRUCTION. 
          UH, OKAY, NOW WE'LL GET BACK ON TRACK. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UH, THE MAXIMUM FEE AMOUNT, UH, TO BE PAID IS ASSESSED OR ESSENTIALLY LOCKED IN AT THE TIME OF PLAT RECORDATION OF A PROPERTY CITY COUNCIL WITH THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE CIAC SETS, THE ACTUAL RATE TO BE CHARGED. 
          UM, SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE. 
          UH, AND THEN THE FEES ARE ACTUALLY CHARGED AT THE TIME OF BUILDING PERMIT. 
          SO IF A SUBDIVISION IS PLATTED, IT MIGHT BE PLATTED ONE YEAR, AND THERE MAY BE SOME VACANT LOTS FOR RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION THAT DON'T GET BUILT ON FOR, UM, FIVE YEARS, 10 YEARS, DEPENDING ON HOW THE ECONOMY'S DOING. 
          AND THE FEES ARE, ARE, AGAIN, NOT CHARGED UNTIL THOSE BUILDING PERMITS ARE PULLED. 
          SO THE STEPS TO, UM, EITHER ESTABLISH OR IN THIS CASE UPDATE, THE IMPACT FEES INCLUDE LAND USE AND GROWTH ASSUMPTION, UH, UH, ADOPTION, THE DEVELOPMENT OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN, CALCULATION OF THE MAXIMUM FEES, UH, THE SETTING OF THE ACTUAL FEES TO BE ASSESSED AND ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCE. 
          SO WE'LL GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THOSE STEPS. 
          SO WITH THE LAND USE AND GROWTH ASSUMPTIONS, THE LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS ARE BASED ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ZONING, POPULATION PROJECTIONS IS REALLY, UM, UH, REALLY BIGGIE, UH, PLANNED AND EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS, BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL. 
          AND OF COURSE, ALL OF THIS IS DONE WITH THE WATER AND WASTEWATER CCNS IN MIND. 
          SO THE CCNS, THE, UH, CERTIFICATES OF CONVENIENCE AND NECESSITY BASICALLY ARE SET BY THE, THE PUBLIC UTILITY COMMISSION TO ESTABLISH THE SERVICE AREA WHERE THE UTILITY PROVIDER IS CERTIFIED TO SERVE. 
          SO, UM, IF YOU LOOK ON THIS, AND THIS EXHIBIT ISN'T ANYTHING FOR YOU TO REALLY PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT IT IS, IT'S JUST TO MAKE THE SLIDE A LITTLE MORE INTERESTING. 
          UM, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE SORT OF THE THICK BLUE LINE, SO THAT REPRESENTS, UM, THE WATER, CCN, UH, OF THE CITY OF SHIRTS. 
          SO EVERYTHING WITHIN THAT, THE CITY OF SHIRTS HAS THE OBLIGATION TO SERVE DOWN HERE IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF SHIRTZ. 
          UH, FOR EXAMPLE, ACTUALLY GREEN VALLEY SPECIAL UTILITY DISTRICT HAS, UM, THE CCN FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER IN THIS LITTLE AREA KNOWN, UM, FONDLY AS THE WEDGE. 
          UM, YOU DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THAT, THAT'S JUST THE, WHAT THAT LITTLE AREA IS CALLED. 
          UM, SO WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THAT WE'RE WORKING WITHIN OUR CCN. 
          THE NEXT STEP IS, UH, DEVELOPING THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN. 
          SO IN ORDER TO DO THIS, AND IN THIS CASE, WE DID SOMETHING THAT, UM, FIRST TIME SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, AND I KNOW THAT WE HAVE HAD, UH, WATER AND WASTEWATER MODELS IN THE PAST, BUT THEY HAVEN'T REALLY BEEN MAINTAINED. 
          AND, UM, SO IT'S KIND OF AN EXCITING, UH, PROJECT THAT WE'VE BEEN THROUGH. 
          AND THAT'S DEVELOPING THE EXISTING SYSTEM, WATER AND WASTEWATER MODELS. 
          SO LITERALLY WE'VE GOT A SOFTWARE PROGRAM THAT INTEGRATES WITH OUR GIS SYSTEM, AND IT HAS EVERY, UM, WATERLINE, EVERY WASTEWATER LINE. 
          THERE ARE TWO, TWO SEPARATE MODELS, BUT IT'S GOT ALL OF OUR PUMPS AND LIFT STATIONS AND ELEVATED STORAGE TANKS IN, IN EACH OF THE MODELS, UM, THAT CAN REPLICATE OR, UM, SORT OF REPRESENT THE WAY OUR SYSTEM WORKS. 
          AND THEN, UH, SO THAT MODEL IS, CAN BE USED FOR A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          BUT IN THIS CASE, WE APPLIED THE PROJECTED DEVELOPMENT AS FAR AS THE LOCATION OF EXPECTED DEVELOPMENT DEMAND, THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS OR 
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COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, AND THE TIMING OF WHEN WE EXPECT THAT DEVELOPMENT TO OCCUR. 
          UM, BROKEN DOWN INTO THREE CATEGORIES FOR THIS, UM, FOR THIS ASSESSMENT IN THE NEAR TERM, WHICH ARE PROJECTS THAT ARE EITHER UNDERWAY NOW OR, OR WE'RE PLANNING TO DO THEM SOON, UH, 2030, WHEN WE STARTED THE PROJECT, THAT WAS OUR 10 YEAR PLANNING WINDOW, 2030, WE'RE ALREADY EATING INTO THAT, UH, BUT ALSO 2050. 
          UM, SO WE APPLIED THE PROJECTED DEVELOPMENT TO THOSE MODELS, AND THEN FROM THAT WE CAN DETERMINE AND IDENTIFY PROJECTS THAT ARE NEEDED IN ORDER TO MEET THE DEMAND OF THAT, UH, EXPECTED GROWTH. 
          UM, ALSO I WANTED TO NOTE THAT THE, THE, UM, MASTER PLANS THAT ARE COMING OUT OF THIS, AND WE SORT OF USE THOSE TERMS INTERCHANGEABLY, MASTER PLAN, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN THAT YOU ALL ARE GOING TO, UM, SORT OF LOOK INTO AND, UM, COME TO A CONSENSUS IF YOU FEEL THAT IT'S IT'S APPROPRIATELY DEVELOPED, UH, AND RECOMMEND, UM, ACCEPTANCE TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          UM, TECHNICALLY WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THERE ARE IMPACT FEE ELIGIBLE PROJECTS. 
          SO THOSE ARE PROJECTS THAT ARE, UH, IDENTIFIED TO BE NEEDED BECAUSE OF THE GROWTH PROJECTIONS THAT WERE PUT INTO THE MODEL. 
          NOW WHAT WE'VE ALSO DONE IS WE'VE LOOKED AT PROJECTS THAT ARE NEEDED TO IMPROVE SYSTEM OPERATION, PERHAPS BECAUSE WE FEEL THAT, UM, MAYBE WE'VE GOT A NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT'S GOT SIX INCH WATER MAINS, IT'S NOT MEETING FIRE FLOW DEMANDS OF CURRENT, UH, CURRENT STANDARDS. 
          SO WE NEED TO UPGRADE THOSE TO EIGHT INCH LINES. 
          THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY IMPACT FEE ELIGIBLE BECAUSE IT'S NOT SERVING ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT'S STILL PART OF THE MASTER PLAN AND IT'S PART OF THE CITY'S OVERALL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. 
          SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT TRICKY THERE, BUT, UM, BUT WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO BE RECOMMENDING, UM, ACCEPTANCE OF IS THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR THE CAPITAL RECOVERY PROGRAM. 
          SO, JUST A LITTLE NUANCE THERE, UM, BUT ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL RECOGNIZE THAT WE ARE GOING TO USE THE IMPACT FEE MONEY COLLECTED FOR IMPACT FEE ELIGIBLE PROJECTS, NOT JUST ANY, UH, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UH, WE'VE COME UP WITH THESE, AND I'M JUMPING AHEAD A LITTLE BIT, BUT IN, UH, NEXT MONTH LIKELY WE'LL HAVE YOU GUYS TOGETHER AGAIN AND OUR CONSULTANT WILL COME AND ACTUALLY PRESENT YOU WITH THE LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS AND THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS FOR THIS UPDATE OF THE PROGRAM. 
          UM, SO WHAT I'M DOING NOW IS JUST KIND OF GIVING YOU AND HYPOTHETICAL, THIS IS KIND OF THE WAY THIS WORKS. 
          UH, SO AFTER WE'VE GOT ALL THOSE PROJECTS IDENTIFIED, WE ESTIMATE THE COST FOR EACH ONE OF THEM AND ALSO APPLY INFLATION FACTORS FOR THOSE THAT ARE EXPECTED TO OCCUR IN 2030 OR 2050. 
          UH, WE LOOK PARTICULARLY AT THE COST OF THE NEAR TERM AND THE 23, 20 30 IMPACT FEE ELIGIBLE PROJECTS. 
          NOW WE DO HAVE TO SUBTRACT OUT OF THAT. 
          NOW, THIS ONE IS A TRICKY ONE, AND I'M HOPING YOU DON'T HAVE ANY IN DEPTH QUESTIONS ABOUT IT BECAUSE I'LL STRUGGLE TO ANSWER IT. 
          . 
          UM, THERE'S ACTUALLY, THERE'LL BE A FINANCIAL ANALYSIS DONE. 
          WE NEED TO SUBTRACT THE PORTION OF AVALOR TAX REVENUES GENERATED BY THE IMPROVEMENTS OVER THE PROGRAM PERIOD. 
          SO BASICALLY WHEN THE CITY PAYS DOWN ON DEBT THAT HAS BEEN USED, UM, TO BUILD SOME OF THESE, UH, IMPROVEMENTS, WE CAN'T DOUBLE DIP. 
          SO WE CAN'T GET THE DEVELOPMENT TO PAY AND TAXES TO PAY FOR THE SAME THING. 
          SO, SO THERE'S AN AMOUNT THAT GETS SUBTRACTED. 
          UM, CHAPTER 3 95 DOES ALLOW FOR TWO OPTIONS. 
          WE CAN EITHER DO THAT CALCULATION, SUBTRACT THAT AMOUNT FROM THE TOTAL, OR WE CAN JUST CUT THE EXPENSE OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM BY 50% AND CALL IT GOOD. 
          UM, WITH THE ROADWAY ONE, WE DID IN FACT HAVE THE CALCULATION DONE AND SUBTRACTED THAT OUT. 
          AND WHAT IT DOES IS IT, IT WILL GENERALLY GIVE US A HIGHER MAXIMUM ACCESSIBLE AMOUNT, UH, WHICH WILL GET CLOSER TO US ACTUALLY BEING ABLE TO CAPTURE THE, UM, DOLLARS NEEDED TO CONSTRUCT THE INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          UM, BUT IN SOME CASES IT'S BETTER JUST TO 
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TAKE 50% AND, AND RUN WITH THAT. 
          UM, SO, BUT WE'LL HAVE MORE PARTICULARS FOR YOU ON THAT, UH, COMING UP. 
          SO THEN YOU TAKE THAT COST OF THIS PROGRAM AND IT'S THE 10 YEAR WINDOW THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          OF COURSE, WE'RE SLIGHTLY ABBREVIATED BECAUSE WE'RE SO FAR INTO THE TENURE WINDOW. 
          UH, BUT WE TAKE THAT COST AND WE, UH, YOU KNOW, MINUS THE, THE TAX STUFF THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE OUT, AND WE DIVIDE IT BY THE NUMBER OF LS THAT WE EXPECT TO DEVELOP DURING THAT SAME PERIOD. 
          AND THAT GIVES US THE MAXIMUM RATE THAT IS ALLOWED TO BE CHARGED PER LUE, UH, ONCE IT'S ADOPTED FOR ANYTHING THAT'S PLATTED WITHIN THE TIMEFRAME OF, UH, WHEN THE ORDINANCE IS ADOPTED IN THE NEW RATE. 
          AND THE NEXT TIME WE DO AN UPDATE, AN LUEI THREW THAT IN THERE. 
          YOU'VE PROBABLY HEARD THAT, UM, THROWN AROUND JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY REMEMBERS IT'S A LIVING UNIT EQUIVALENT. 
          IF YOU ARE HANGING AROUND IN DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES, SOME OF THEM GO BY EDUS INSTEAD. 
          EQUIVALENT DWELLING UNIT, IT'S THE SAME THING. 
          LIVING UNIT EQUIVALENT IS THE AMOUNT OF WATER OR WASTEWATER NEED USED BY A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE. 
          SO THAT'S KIND OF LIKE THE BASELINE. 
          SO APARTMENT UNITS, GENERALLY THERE'S A FACTOR. 
          SO AN APARTMENT UNIT GENERATES LIKE A 0.6, UH, LUEI MAY HAVE THAT NUMBER WRONG. 
          I'M, I'M JUST USING IT TO ILLUSTRATE, UM, THINKING AN APARTMENT DWELLING WON'T, USUALLY THE FOLKS THERE WON'T USUALLY USE QUITE AS MUCH WATER AS A, A DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE. 
          AND THEN COMMERCIAL USE IS ALSO, UH, AND, AND IT'S GENERALLY BASED, THE ACTUAL CHARGE IS GONNA BE BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE WATER METER THAT'S USED. 
          A BIGGER WATER METER, YOU CAN GET MORE WATER THROUGH IT. 
          SO WE EXPECT SINCE, SINCE THEY NEED THE CAPACITY TO USE ALL THAT WATER, UM, THAT'S WHAT IT'S, IT'S GENERALLY BASED ON. 
          SO THE NEXT STEP SET THE FEES TO BE ASSESSED. 
          SO THIS IS THE TOUGH PART. 
          THE FIRST PART'S PROBABLY TOUGHER FOR, UH, STAFF AND OUR CONSULTANT SETTING THE FEE TO BE ASSESSED IS THE TOUGH PART FOR THE POLICY MAKERS. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S YOU GUYS MAKING AN, UH, ADVICE TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          UM, SO YOU NEED TO CONSIDER THE CALCULATED FEES AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AND YOU'LL ACTUALLY HAVE TO, UM, PROVIDE A WRITTEN RECOMMENDATION. 
          NOW, STAFF WILL WRITE THE LETTER, BUT THE CHAIR WILL, WILL NEED TO SIGN IT. 
          UM, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'LL CONSIDER IS, OF COURSE, THERE'LL BE THE MAXIMUM ACCESSIBLE RATE ESTABLISHED, AND YOU'LL HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT AS PART OF YOUR RECOMMENDATION. 
          UH, AND THEN YOU MAY CHOOSE TO RECOMMEND ANY RATE EQUAL TO OR LESS THAN THE MAXIMUM ACCESSIBLE. 
          AND REMEMBER, YOU'LL HAVE TWO, YOU'LL HAVE WATER AND YOU'LL HAVE WASTEWATER. 
          SO IT, HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING, WE SAY, OKAY, THE MAXIMUM ACCESSIBLE RATE IS CALCULATED AND IT'S $10,000 FOR ONE LIVING UNIT EQUIVALENT. 
          AND YOU MAY THINK THAT'S, THAT'S CRAZY. 
          $10,000. 
          I'M MAKING THESE NUMBERS UP EVERYBODY. 
          PLEASE REMEMBER THAT, UM, TOWN C OVER HERE ONLY CHARGES $5,000. 
          TOWN B OVER HERE ONLY CHARGES $7,000. 
          WE CAN'T CHARGE $10,000. 
          WHAT WOULD BE MORE REALISTIC? OKAY, WE RECOMMEND THAT COUNCIL DECIDES TO CHARGE $8,000. 
          IT'S STILL, SO THOSE KINDS OF CONVERSATIONS ARE KIND OF WHAT YOU'LL HAVE AND STAFF WILL, WILL, UH, WORK TO, TO GUIDE THAT CONVERSATION. 
          UM, SO, BUT YOU CAN'T EVER SAY, WELL, 7,000, OR I'M SORRY, 10,000 ISN'T ENOUGH. 
          WE WANNA DO 11,000. 
          CAN'T DO THAT. 
          THE MAXIMUM ACCESSIBLE IS A LEGAL NUMBER, UH, THAT THAT CAN'T BE, UM, GONE OVER. 
          SOMETHING ELSE YOU MIGHT CONSIDER IS A GRADUAL PHASE IN THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WAS DONE WITH THE ROADWAY IMPACT FEE. 
          THAT WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT SITUATION BECAUSE IT WAS A BRAND NEW FEE AND THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT, UM, HOW IT WOULD IMPACT, NO PUN INTENDED, IT'S HARD NOT TO USE THAT WORD, HOW IT WOULD INFLUENCE, UH, DEVELOPMENT COMING HERE, PARTICULARLY WITH THE COMMERCIAL, UH, DEVELOPMENT THAT MAYBE IF WE SET IT TOO HIGH, IT WOULD STIFLE SOME COMMERCIAL GROWTH. 
          THAT WAS A CONCERN. 
          NOT SURE THAT IT REALLY HAD THAT, UM, THAT REACTION. 
          UM, BUT THERE WAS CONVERSATION DURING THE ROADWAY IMPACT FEE DEVELOPMENT AND THERE WAS A DECISION THAT THE RATES WOULD BE SET FAIRLY LOW FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, NOT SO LOW FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. 
          BUT THAT EACH YEAR OVER THE, UH, I THINK IT TOOK THREE YEARS TO COMPLETELY 
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PHASE IN TILL WE GOT UP TO. 
          AND CURRENTLY I BELIEVE THAT, UM, RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS OR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPERS, SORRY, ARE PAYING THE MAXIMUM ASSESSABLE RATE FOR ROADWAY IMPACT FEES. 
          UH, COMMERCIAL ARE PAYING WAY LESS, SIGNIFICANTLY LESS. 
          I THINK A THOUSAND, UH, DOLLARS PER UNIT. 
          WHOLE NOTHER CONCEPT, IT'S, IT'S NOT PER HOUSE, BUT PER PER UNIT, UM, IS THE MAXIMUM. 
          AND COMMERCIAL IS PAYING, I THINK ONE SEVENTY FIVE, A HUNDRED SEVENTY $5 PER UNIT FOR ROADWAY. 
          UM, THAT'S JUST, I'M JUST POINTING THAT OUT TO LET YOU KNOW HOW SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL WERE TREATED, UM, FOR THE ROADWAY. 
          AND THERE, THERE WAS A SCIENCE BEHIND THAT, BUT I'M SORRY, THERE WASN'T SCIENCE BEHIND THAT. 
          THERE WAS STRATEGY BEHIND THAT. 
          UM, AND SO, UH, ALSO I'LL THROW IN THE FACT THAT WE'RE GONNA TURN AROUND AND WE'RE GONNA NEED TO START LOOKING AT UPDATING THE ROADWAY FEE FAIRLY SOON TOO. 
          SO WE'LL GET YOU GUYS, UH, TALKING ALL YOUR IMPACT FEE STUFF AND, AND WE'LL JUST, WE'LL BE REGULARS. 
          UM, OKAY, SO WE TALKED ABOUT A PHASE IN OF LIKE OVER THREE YEARS. 
          OKAY? SO THE FIRST YEAR MAYBE IT WAS, UH, 700 THE NEXT YEAR, 900 AND THEN A THOUSAND FOR RESIDENTIAL, FOR EXAMPLE. 
          WE ALSO CONSIDER A GRACE PERIOD. 
          WE DON'T JUST SAY IF A PLATT'S RECORDED TOMORROW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ON THE HIGHER RATE. 
          WE, UM, ALLOW A GRACE PERIOD FOR FOLKS TO, FOR DEVELOPERS IN PARTICULAR TO, UM, INCLUDE THESE RATES IN THEIR, UH, ESTIMATES WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING TO DO A PROJECT AND THEY DO A PRO FORMA TO FIND OUT IF THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, MAKE THE APPROPRIATE PROFIT. 
          THEY KIND OF NEED TO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GETTING INTO WITH WHICH FEES. 
          AND SOME OF THESE FEES ARE FAIRLY SIZABLE. 
          UM, SO WE DO USUALLY GIVE WE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER WHATEVER THAT SEEMS TO BE A APPROPRIATE, UM, WHETHER THAT'S A, A THREE MONTH OR A A TWO MONTHS OR, OR, OR WHAT HAVE YOU. 
          SO THOSE ARE KIND OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'LL BE, UM, SORT OF ADDRESSING IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO. 
          AND THEN, LIKE I SAID, YOU'LL HAVE TO MAKE A RECOM WRITTEN RECOMMENDATION OF THAT TO COUNSEL ADOPTING THE ORDINANCE. 
          THAT'S WHEN COUNSEL STEPS IN, UM, THEY'RE GONNA HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING TO TALK ABOUT AND ACCEPT THE UPDATED LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS, MAXIMUM ACCESSIBLE RATE, AND THEN THEY'LL HAVE TO HAVE THAT SAME CONVERSATION ABOUT THE CURRENT RATE AND ANY PHASE IN OR GRACE PERIODS. 
          AND THEY MAY CHOOSE TO TAKE YOUR, UM, RECOMMENDATION OR THEY MAY, UM, GO A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. 
          UH, AND THEN THEY'LL ACTUALLY ADOPT AND UPDATE TO THE WATER AND WASTEWATER CAPITAL RECOVERY PROGRAM AND ORDINANCE. 
          UH, SO WE HAVE A TENTATIVE SCHEDULE, UM, TO, TO WORK THIS THROUGH. 
          AND THERE ARE VERY SPECIFIC STEPS THAT NEED TO BE TAKEN PER THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, UH, WITH PARTICULAR TIMING. 
          UM, FOR EXAMPLE, ONCE THE CITY RECEIVES FINAL DOCUMENTS FROM OUR CONSULTANT, AND THAT IS EXPECTED ON SEPTEMBER 28TH, UM, THE CITY HAS 60 DAYS TO, AND THIS IS, IS SO CONVOLUTED, BUT I I HAVE TO IMAGINE THERE WAS A REASON WHEN THIS WAS BEING DEVELOPED BACK IN 1987. 
          THE CITY HAS 60 DAYS FOR COUNCIL TO, UH, PASS A RESOLUTION SETTING A PUBLIC HEARING DATE FOR THE UPDATE OF THESE FEES. 
          SO WE GET THE FINAL DOCUMENTS, AND WE'RE NOT GONNA WAIT UP TO 60 DAYS. 
          WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND GET ON A COUNCIL AGENDA AND WE'RE GOING TO SET THE DATE, OR, OR I APOLOGIZE, COUNSEL WILL SET THE DATE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING THAT WILL LIKELY HAPPEN OCTOBER 15TH. 
          I DID SAY TENTATIVE SCHEDULE THINGS HAPPEN. 
          UM, SO, SO THIS MAY, SO DON'T, YOU KNOW, PUT THIS IN YOUR CALENDAR YET, BUT, UM, BUT THIS IS HOPEFULLY, UH, THE WAY IT'LL WORK OUT, WE'LL PROVIDE, WE DO NEED TO PROVIDE NOTICE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING IN THE NEWSPAPER, OF COURSE, BEFORE NOVEMBER 3RD. 
          IT'S 30 DAYS BEFORE THE ACTUAL PUBLIC HEARING, UH, CIAC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF THE PROGRAM AMENDMENTS WE'RE LOOKING AT, AT REQUESTING THAT YOU ALL GET TOGETHER FOR A SPECIAL MEETING OCTOBER 16TH. 
          UH, AND THEN WE'RE LEAVING SPACE FOR THE NOVEMBER 6TH MEETING. 
          THAT'S A, A REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING FOR P AND Z. 
          UM, IN THE EVENT THAT, UH, IT'S JUST TOO MUCH MATERIAL TO GET THROUGH, 
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LOTS AND LOTS OF QUESTIONS IN THE, DURING THE OCTOBER 16TH MEETING AND, OR YOU JUST NEED MORE TIME TO DISCUSS. 
          UM, SO WE WANTED TO LEAVE ENOUGH TIME FOR THAT. 
          WE ALSO PLAN TO PRESENT THIS TO EDC, UH, AND REQUEST THEIR INPUT. 
          THAT'S NOT STATUTORILY REQUIRED, BUT, UM, WE FEEL THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO HELP INFORM BOTH YOU AND ALSO, UM, COUNSEL, UH, WE'LL HAVE TO PROVIDE THE WRITTEN COMMENTS FROM CIAC BEFORE NOVEMBER 28TH. 
          THAT IS AT LEAST FIVE DAYS BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          UH, BUT IN REALITY, LIKELY THAT WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF AT THE TAIL END OF EITHER OCTOBER 16TH, MOST LIKELY NOVEMBER 6TH, SO MAYBE NOVEMBER 7TH. 
          WE'LL HAVE A DRAFT OF THAT AFTER, AFTER YOUR MEETING, UH, AND WE'LL GET THAT TAKEN CARE OF. 
          BUT IT STATUTORILY HAS TO BE DONE BEFORE NOVEMBER 28TH. 
          WE'LL GO TO CITY COUNCIL WITH A WORKSHOP, UH, ON NOVEMBER 19TH, AND THEN HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND FIRST READING OF THE ORDINANCE ON DECEMBER 3RD, UH, WHICH ALLOWS TIME IF A SECOND READING IS NECESSARY, DECEMBER 17TH. 
          THE ONLY REASON THAT THAT'S ASTERISK WITH THE, IF NEEDED, I IMA, I, I THINK THERE IS A CHARTER AMENDMENT THAT HAS, IS BEING PROPOSED THAT WILL ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR A SECOND READING OF ALL ORDINANCES. 
          SO COULD SAVE SOME TIME THERE. 
          UM, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WILL GO THROUGH IN TIME FOR THIS. 
          SO, UH, THE UPDATES MAY BE ADOPTED AS EARLY AS DECEMBER 3RD. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TOWARD. 
          OH, ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS? REALLY EXCITING STUFF, . 
          WELL, IT'S VERY COMPLICATED AND, AND HAVING BEEN THROUGH IT, SOME OF US HAVE BEEN THROUGH IT BEFORE, PARTICULARLY WITH THE ROADWAY IMPACT FEES. 
          UM, IT, IT'S NOT A SIMPLE THING, BUT, UM, I THINK YOU DID A GOOD JOB OF EXPLAINING THE, THE BASICS TO US. 
          AND, UM, UM, BUT, SO THIS NEXT ONE COMING UP WILL JUST BE WATER AND WASTEWATER WON'T INCLUDE ROADWAY IS ON THEIR OWN TIMETABLE. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, ROBERT? SO COMMENT, I DID NOTICE THAT THE, UH, OCTOBER 16TH PROPOSED DATE IS THE STARTING DATE OF THE A PA WORKSHOP. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW WHO'S GONNA BE GOING TO THAT, BUT OH, OKAY. 
          YEAH, I MEAN, I, IT IS RIGHT, RIGHT? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I DIDN'T THINK OF THAT. 
          I DIDN'T THINK OF THAT EITHER, SO, OKAY. 
          AND SO I GUESS I'M GONNA LOOK AT EMILY, WHEN YOU NEED TO CALL A SPECIAL MEETING, HOW DOES THAT WORK AS FAR AS CHECKING WITH SCHEDULES AND PAULA? OKAY, SO OTHER THAN THE, THE NOVEMBER 6TH IS A NORMAL P AND Z MEETING. 
          SO DO YOU NORMALLY CALL EVEN FOR THOSE TO MAKE SURE THAT OKAY. 
          UM, BECAUSE GENERALLY THERE'S NOT SOMETHING ELSE SCHEDULED FOR THOSE SAME NIGHTS. 
          SO, UM, BUT YES, SO YOU'LL BE REACHED OUT TO BY THE PLANNING STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT IT'S A, A CONVENIENT TIME FOR A SPECIAL MEETING. 
          IS IS, UM, IS THERE A REASON YOU DON'T WANT TO DO IT AT THE, UH, OCTOBER COMMISSION P AND Z MEETING? NOT, NOT QUITE READY YET, OR, EXACTLY. 
          SO WE, WE EXPECT TO GET THE FINAL QA QC DOCUMENT FROM OUR CONSULTANT SEPTEMBER 28TH. 
          SO THAT'S NOT REALLY VERY MUCH TIME, ALTHOUGH WE'VE SEEN JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING, BUT WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE FINAL DOCUMENT AND WE ACTUALLY HAVEN'T YET SEEN THE FINAL CALCULATION. 
          UM, AND RIGHT. 
          SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE PRIMARY REASON. 
          OKAY. 
          TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME FOR, UH, PREPARATION, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND IT BEFORE WE LAY IT ON YOU. 
          RIGHT. 
          ANYONE ELSE, RICHARD? YEAH. 
          SO ACCORDING TO THE SCHEDULE YOU HAVE UP RIGHT NOW, WHEN, WHEN WAS YOUR EXPECTATION OF AN APPROVAL FROM PLANNING AND ZONING ON THE 16TH OR THE SIXTH? NOVEMBER 6TH MOST LIKELY. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT IT'S STATUTORY DATE, IT HAS TO BE NOVEMBER 28TH. 
          SO THE WRITTEN, WRITTEN COMMENTS AND RECOMMENDATION, THE LETTER NEEDS TO BE PROVIDED TO COUNSEL BY THE 28TH. 
          OKAY. 
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BUT THERE'S REALLY NO, I MEAN, ONCE, ONCE YOU'VE HAD YOUR MEETING AND DISCUSSED IT AND COME WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS, THERE AREN'T GONNA BE CHANGES TO THAT BETWEEN THAT AND THE 28TH. 
          UM, SO, UH, YES. 
          I'M ASSUMING WHETHER IT'S, UH, WHETHER WE DO THE SPECIAL MEETING OR, OR THE MEETING ON NOVEMBER 6TH, WE'LL COME UP WITH OUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND OUR COMMENTS AND THEN STAFF WILL THEN DRAFT THAT LETTER FOR ME TO SIGN TO GO. 
          SO IT, IT IS REALLY, IT'S JUST ONCE WE MAKE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, LET'S JUST ASSUME THAT, THAT WE, WE FINALIZE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE 6TH OF NOVEMBER, THEN, THEN WE'RE DONE WITH IT. 
          AND, AND, AND SO SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THEN AND SOMEWHERE AFTER THAT AND BEFORE THE 28TH STAFF HAS TO PUT THAT LETTER TOGETHER FOR ME TO SIGN, TO GIVE TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND IT ALSO ALLOWS A LITTLE BIT OF FLEX IN THE EVENT THAT YOU STILL ARE NOT ABLE TO COME TO, UH, A CONSENSUS RECOMMENDATION. 
          UM, WE COULD PERHAPS CALL ANOTHER SPECIAL MEETING IF NECESSARY AND STILL HAVE TIME FOR THE NOVEMBER 28TH DEADLINE ON, YOU MENTIONED, UH, COMPARATIVE NUMBERS FROM OTHER MUNICIPALITIES. 
          HAVE YOU SET THAT, THAT AREA YET? SOMETIMES WE GET, WE GET EXAMPLES FROM DALLAS AND FORT WORTH AREA. 
          I I'M NOT INTERESTED IN THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          UNDERST, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GO. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          WE DON'T NEED TO GO PAST BUDDHA, HAYES OR THAT, ANY OF THAT AREA. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I, I THINK, UM, THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE GONE UP SIGNIFICANTLY IN THE LAST MM-HMM. 
           YEAR OR COUPLE YEARS. 
          AND SO THOSE IN PARTICULAR, UM, WE WE'RE HAVING THOSE PULLED, UM, AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY CILO OBVIOUSLY WE ALWAYS LOOK AT WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE DOING. 
          UM, SGU RECENTLY INCREASED, I THINK NBU INCREASED. 
          UM, NBU IS GONNA INCREASE AGAIN, SO OKAY. 
          , UM, REAL SOON INTERNALLY THEY MOVE FASTER THAN WE DO, I GUESS. 
          UM, BUT YES, WE RECOGNIZE THAT WE ARE, WE NEED TO REALLY LOOK AT, I HATE TO CALL IT COMPETITION, BUT FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, THE COMMUNITIES WHERE, YOU KNOW, IF PEOPLE ARE LOOKING TO DEVELOP, IF IT'S NOT HERE, WHERE IS IT? SO, UM, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY AN ASPIRATIONAL THING, IT'S A, IT'S A, A REALITY. 
          I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND THE, UH, THE FEE YOU SAID IS TYPICALLY LOWER FOR COMMERCIAL ROADWAY FEES. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT WAS DONE FOR THE ROADWAY IMPACT FEE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, LIKE I SAY, THERE WAS A BIG CONCERN THAT IT, AND AGAIN, I, I MENTIONED THAT, UM, SHIRTS WAS ONE OF THE EARLY ADOPTERS OF ROADWAY IMPACT FEES. 
          SO THERE ARE COMMUNITIES CLOSE TO US THAT DIDN'T HAVE A ROADWAY IMPACT FEE AT ALL. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THERE WAS A BIG CONCERN THAT IF WE, UH, MADE THE FEE TOO HIGH, IT WOULD LITERALLY, UM, DRIVE OFF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          WHICH OF COURSE IS A HUGE, UM, PROBLEM FOR US. 
          AND I THINK ANOTHER THOUGHT ABOUT THE RESIDENTIAL WAS THAT WE'RE GETTING TONS OF RESIDENTIAL AND THERE WAS NOT AN EXPECTATION THAT THAT WAS GONNA BE, UM, CUT BACK AT ALL. 
          AND RESIDENTIAL GENERALLY IS MORE OF A BURDEN ON THE CITY THAN COMMERCIAL FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT. 
          I'M ONLY TALKING ABOUT FINANCIAL, THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE TAX DOLLARS AREN'T AS SIGNIFICANT AS WHAT IT TAKES TO SUPPORT THEM, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, SO THAT, THOSE WERE SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAD. 
          NOW I'M NOT AWARE THAT THERE'S BEEN ANY CONVERSATION OR, UM, I DON'T BELIEVE EVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE WATER AND WASTEWATER IMPACT FEES HERE IN SHIRTS WHERE THEY SPLIT AND HAD, UH, CAME UP WITH DIFFERENT RATES FOR RESIDENTIAL VERSUS COMMERCIAL WITH WATER AND WASTEWATER. 
          UM, IT'S, IT'S GENERALLY BEEN BASED ON METER SIZE, DOESN'T REALLY MATTER WHAT YOU'RE USING THE WATER FOR. 
          UM, SO I HAVE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. 
          AND, UH, SO BETWEEN OUR CONSULTANT, BRIAN JAMES, UM, WE'LL HAVE SOME, SOME INPUT AND SOME GUIDANCE, UH, ON WHERE 
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YOU MIGHT THINK OF GOING IN THAT DIRECTION. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYBODY ELSE? ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU KATHY. 
          VERY INFORMATIVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND, UH, THANKS FOR THE HEADS UP ON THE, UH, UM, NEED FOR THE SPECIAL MEETING. 
          I MADE NOTE OF THAT. 
          SO THANKS AGAIN. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UH, THERE BEING 
          [6. ADJOURNMENT OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING]
NO FURTHER BUSINESS, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING IS ADJOURNED AT 6:45 PM AND BRIAN, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          IT IS, UH, DOES ANYBODY NEED A QUICK BREAK? I, I DIDN'T PLAN. 
          NO. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO IT IS, UH, EIGHT FORTY FIVE 
          [1. CALL TO ORDER / ROLL CALL THE REGULAR PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION MEETING]
AND I WILL CALL THE SEPTEMBER 4TH, 2024 REGULAR MEETING OF THE SHIRT'S, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO ORDER. 
          AND ONCE AGAIN, ITEM NUMBER TWO IS 
          [2. SEAT ALTERNATE TO ACT IF REQUIRED]
THE SEED ALTERNATES. 
          UH, WE HAVE THE TWO OF THEM JOINING US THIS EVENING. 
          ITEM THREE, HEARING OF RESIDENCE, NO ONE, NO EMAILS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT EITHER, RIGHT? OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS OUR 
          [4. CONSENT AGENDA:]
CONSENT AGENDA. 
          WE HAVE A SINGLE ITEM ON THERE, ITEM FOUR A OF THE MINUTES FROM THE AUGUST 7TH, 2024 REGULAR MEETING. 
          THERE IS NO DISCUSSION ON CONSENT. 
          AGENDA ITEMS, DOES THIS ITEM NEED TO BE PULLED FOR DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS? ALL RIGHT. 
          SCENE NONE. 
          CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA? SO MOVED. 
          WAS MR. WALLACE RIGHT? OKAY, I HAVE A SECOND, SECOND WAY DOWN AT THE OTHER END. 
          ALL RIGHT, SO I HAVE A MOTION AND THE SECOND TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          ANY FURTHER DIS WELL, THERE IS NO DISCUSSION, SO PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I SEE SIX VOTES. 
          CAN YOU PUBLISH THAT PLEASE? WE HAVE SIX AYES. 
          UNOPPOSED THAT MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ITEM NUMBER FIVE, 
          [A.  PLUDC20240167 - Conduct a public hearing, workshop and discussion and possible action to make a recommendation on amendments to Part III of the Schertz Code of Ordinances, Unified Development Code (UDC), to Article 5, Section 21.5.9- Special Districts, and Article 9, Section 21.9.3- Lots, Section 21.9.8- Screening and Fencing, Section 21.9.9- Tree Preservation and Mitigation, Section 21.9.12- Site Plan Process, and Article 16 - Definitions.]
PUBLIC HEARINGS. 
          UH, LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE THREE OF THOSE THIS EVENING AND A HUGE CROWD TONIGHT. 
          SO, UM, SO I'M NOT EVEN GONNA READ THE WHOLE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, YOU ALL KNOW HOW IT WORKS. 
          WE ALL KNOW HOW IT WORKS. 
          OKAY, SO ITEM FIVE A-P-L-U-D-C 20 24 0 1 67, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING WORKSHOP AND DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON AMENDMENTS TO PART THREE OF THE SHIRT'S. 
          CODE OF ORDINANCES, UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE UDC TO ARTICLE FIVE, SECTION 21.5 0.9, UH, SPECIAL DISTRICTS. 
          AND ARTICLE NINE, SECTION 21.9 0.3 LOTS, SECTION 21.9 0.8, SCREENING AND FENCING, SECTION 21.9 0.9, TREE PRESERVATION AND MITIGATION SECTION 21.9 POINT 12, SITE PLAN, PROCESS. 
          AND ARTICLE 16 DEFINITIONS. 
          YOURS. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. 
          PUDC 2 24 0 1 6 7 PROPOSED UDC AMENDMENTS, UDC CLEANUP FOR ARTICLE FIVE, ARTICLE NINE, AND ARTICLE 16 DAISY MARQUEZ PLANNER. 
          SO SOME BACKGROUND AS PER UDC SECTION 2147. 
          FROM TIME TO TIME CITY COUNCIL ON ITS OWN MOTION OR AT THE RECOMMENDATION OF CITY STAFF, THEY CAN MAKE AMENDMENTS CHANGE OR MODIFY ANY PORTION OF THE UDC TO ESTABLISH OR MAINTAIN SOUND AND STABLE DEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, STAFF ALSO PERIODICALLY REVIEWS THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH INCLUDES REVIEWING THE UDC FOR CLARITY AND COHESION. 
          THE PROPOSED UDC AMENDMENTS, WHICH WERE INITIATED BY THE PLANNING DIVISION, ARE MEANT TO CLARIFY THE INTENT OF THE UDC AND CLEANUP LINGERING LANGUAGE REMOVED FROM PREVIOUS AMENDMENTS. 
          SO THE PROPOSED UDC AMENDMENTS INCLUDE MODIFICATIONS TO THE FOLLOWING ARTICLES AND SECTIONS. 
          SO ARTICLE FIVE, WHICH IS ZONING SECTION 2159, SPECIAL DISTRICTS TO REMOVE AGRICULTURAL CONSERVATION 
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PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT MIXED USE, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AND DESIGN OVERLAY DISTRICT ARTICLE NINE, SECTION 21 9 3 LOTS TO REMOVE THE REQUIREMENT TO SHOW BUILDING SETBACKS ON PLATS SECTION 21 9 8 SCREENING AND FENCING TO MODIFY THE PROHIBITED MATERIALS TO INCLUDE A CLARIFICATION SECTION 2199 TREE PRESERVATION AND MITIGATION TO REMOVE TABLES THAT ARE NO LONGER IN THE UDC AND TO MODIFY THE EXEMPTED TREES TABLE. 
          AND ARTICLE NINE SECTION 21 9 12, THE SITE PLAN PROCESS TO REMOVE APPLICATIONS THAT REQUIRE AN APPROVED SITE PLAN. 
          AND ARTICLE 16 DEFINITIONS TO ADD CLARIFICATION TO THE MIXED USE SELF STORAGE DEFINITION. 
          SO I'M GONNA START WITH THE UDC SECTION 21 4 70, THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL. 
          UH, ONE THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT PROMOTES THE HEALTH, SAFETY OR GENERAL REFER OF THE CITY AND SAFE, ORDERLY AND EFFICIENT AND HELPFUL DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY. 
          SO STAFF PROPOSES UDC AMENDMENTS FROM TIME TO TIME TO PROACTIVELY BETTER THE UUDC THAT GOVERNS THE DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE CITY OF SHIRTS. 
          THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS ARE NECESSARY FOR CONSISTENCY WITH CHANGES ALREADY MADE TO THE UDC AND ADDITIONALLY THEY PROVIDE CLARIFICATION ON SECTIONS OF THE UDC SECTIONS USED BY MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS. 
          THIS USUALLY HAPPENS BECAUSE WE USE IT EVERY DAY WITH APPLICATIONS. 
          UM, WE INTERPRET IT EVERY DAY. 
          WE GET CALLS ASKING FOR INTERPRETATIONS, PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT IT EVERY DAY TO US. 
          SO WE GET RATHER FAMILIAR WITH IT. 
          THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO ARTICLE NINE, SECTION 2199 AT INVASIVE TREE SPECIES, THE EXEMPT TREE TABLE THAT ARE NOT DESIRABLE AND ARE CLASSIFIED AS INVASIVE TO OUR AREA. 
          THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS HAVE BEEN REVIEWED BY THE PARKS RECREATION AND COMMUNITY SERVICES DIRECTOR AND THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS TO THE AMENDMENTS. 
          AND WE ACTUALLY HAD THE PLEASURE TO MEET WITH THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE TEXAS A AND M FOREST SERVICE, UM, STAFF TO DISCUSS THE PROPOSED ADDITIONAL EXEMPT TREE SPECIES. 
          AND, UM, HE SPOKE WITH US ABOUT OUR LIST AND HE AGREED WITH US AND IT WAS ACTUALLY, UM, A GREAT PLEASURE TO LEARN ABOUT THIS, THE TREE SPECIES THAT WE ADDED TO OUR LIST. 
          SO IT WAS A REALLY GREAT PLEASURE TO SPEAK WITH THEM. 
          AND TWO, AN AMENDMENT TO THE TEXT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE POLICIES OF THE UDC AND THE CITY. 
          THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS ARE MEANT TO CLEAN UP LINGERING UDC LANGUAGE THAT HAS REMAINED. 
          AND TO CLARIFY THE INTENT OF THE UD C3, ANY PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS THAT OBJECTIVES OF THE UDC OF THE CITY. 
          THE PROPOSED UDC AMENDMENTS ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES OF THIS UDC AND THE CITY AS THEY'RE MEANT TO HELP KEEP THE UDC CONSISTENT WITH PREVIOUSLY APPROVED AMENDMENTS. 
          THE OPERATIONAL VALUES OF THE CITY INCLUDE BEING PROACTIVE AND SERVICE ORIENTED, AND BY BEING PROACTIVE WITH THE PROPOSED UDC AMENDMENT STAFF CAN PROVIDE A BETTER EXPERIENCE WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. 
          AND FOUR OTHER CRITERIA, WHICH AT THE DISCRETION OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL ARE DEEMED RELEVANT AND IMPORTANT IN THE CONSIDERATION OF THE AMENDMENT STAFF HAS ENSURED ALL UDC REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN MET FOR THE PROPOSED UDC AMENDMENTS AND AT THIS TIME HAVE NOT RECEIVED SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION OR CITY COUNCIL. 
          SO I'M JUST GONNA GO THROUGH THE AMENDMENTS ONE BY ONE AND JUST GOING THROUGH THE RUN LINES, KINDA JUST TALKING THROUGH THE THOUGHT PROCESS OF THESE VERY MINOR IN COMPARISON TO WHAT SAMUEL HAS, HAS HAS KIND OF DONE IN COMPARISON TO WHAT I'M SHOWING YOU TODAY. 
          UM, BUT KIND OF JUST SHOWING YOU WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          SO FOR, FOR 21 9 3 LOTS, IT'S KIND OF JUST SCALING BACK DOWN THE LANGUAGE. 
          UM, IN ARTICLE 16, IT'S UH, DEFINITIONS. 
          IT'S CLEARLY DEFINED WHAT A BUILDING SETBACK IS. 
          UM, SO WE WANTED TO JUST CLEAR THAT DEFINITION FROM THIS SECTION AS IT WAS JUST REDUNDANT TO HAVE IT HERE. 
          WE ALSO DON'T REQUIRE BUILDING SETBACKS ON PLAS ANYMORE. 
          WE REMOVE THAT FROM OUR CHECKLIST AND WE DON'T WANT THAT SHOWN ON RESIDENTIAL PLAS OR COMMERCIAL PLAS ANYMORE SINCE ZONING CAN BE REALLY CHANGED, UM, AT ANY POINT IF IT'S APPROVED OR NOT. 
          SO WE WANTED THAT REMOVED FROM THIS SECTION AS PEOPLE WERE KIND OF CONFUSING THAT. 
          UM, SO WE WANTED JUST TO CLARIFY THAT AND REMOVE THAT FROM THIS SECTION. 
          AND THEN 2198 SCREENING AND FENCING. 
          SO THIS IS FROM THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION. 
          WE MOVED THE CHAIN LINK IN SIMILAR WOVEN WIRE MESH TO THE FIRST PORTION FOR THE MATERIALS PERMITTED. 
          AND THEN WE JUST CLARIFIED PROVIDED NO SCREENING IS ATTACHED, WE SPOKE WITH NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES AND WITH OTHER STAFF AND WE FOUND THAT PEOPLE WERE GETTING CREATIVE WITH THEIR CHAIN LINK FENCING AND WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT WE 
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DIDN'T WANT PEOPLE TO ADD A SCREENING TO THEIR CHAIN LINK FENCING JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS CLEAR THAT THIS IS WHAT WE WANTED. 
          THE UDC AND THE MA CHAIN LINK FENCE IS JUST CHAIN LINK FENCE . 
          THIS IS WHAT WE WANTED IT TO BE. 
          THIS, THIS IS JUST THE MATERIAL THAT IT NEEDS TO BE NOTHING ON IT PURE IN ITS FORM. 
          AND THEN, UM, BE PROHIBITED MATERIALS. 
          WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE IT MATCH WITH THE CURRENT. 
          UM, AND MOST RECENT UDC AMENDMENTS THAT EMILY JUST DID FOR ARTICLE SEVEN NONCONFORMING TO MATCH THE MOST RECENT AGRICULTURAL OPERATIONS. 
          SO WE CLEANED UP LANGUAGE THERE SO IT JUST MATCHES THE AGRICULTURAL OPERATIONS LANGUAGES. 
          AND THEN WE DID THE SAME IN THE COMMERCIAL PORTION. 
          AND THEN IN SECTION THREE YOU CAN JUST SEE THAT WE CLEANED UP THE FORMATTING JUST SO THAT IT'S THIS UDC PORTION IS JUST MORE EASILY READ. 
          AND THEN AGAIN, ANOTHER PORTION OF SCREENING AND FENCING. 
          WE JUST MATCHED IT AGAIN TO ARTICLE SEVEN NONCONFORMING SO THAT IT JUST MATCHES THE AGRICULTURAL OPERATIONS, UM, UDC AMENDMENT AND THEN GETTING INTO THE TREE PRESERVATION AND MITIGATION 2199. 
          UM, AT SOME POINT THERE WAS A MAJOR OVERHAUL OF THIS UDC SECTION, UM, AND SUBSECTION F 21 9 7 F THAT TABLE NO LONGER EXISTS AND IT'S BEEN CAUSING PROBLEMS WHEN IT CAME TO THE SITE PLAN PROCESS. 
          'CAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE LOOKING FOR THAT TABLE AND THEY WOULD GO, WHERE'S THE UNDESIRABLE LIST? WHERE'S THE UNDESIRABLE LIST? AND ME ONLY BEING HERE FOR A YEAR, I'D GO, WELL, WELL I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE UNDESIRABLE LIST IS. 
          THERE'S AN EXEMPT TREE LIST. 
          AND, AND IF THERE'S THE TREE'S NOT CLEARLY IN THE EXECUTIVE TREE LIST, THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR THE TREE. 
          AND THEY'D GO, WELL THAT TREE'S UGLY. 
          I DON'T WANNA PAY FOR THAT TREE. 
          SO THEN IT'D BECOME A CONVERSATION BETWEEN ME AND THE DIRECTOR OF PARKS FIGHTING OVER TREES AND INCHES AND DBHS. 
          SO IT JUST BECOMES A FIGHT WHEN IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE . 
          SO THEN IT JUST TURNED INTO A CONVERSATION OF, OKAY, LET'S JUST DIVE INTO THIS AND SEE WHAT TREES DO PEOPLE ACTUALLY NEED TO PAY FOR AND WHY ARE WE MAKING PEOPLE PAY FOR INVASIVE SPECIES WHEN THIS DEVELOPMENT PROCESS DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, A FIGHT OVER PAYING OVER A BUSH VERSUS LET'S ACTUALLY PUT SOME TREASON AND THAT WE ACTUALLY CARE FOR IN THE CITY OF SHIRTS. 
          AND THEN AGAIN, THE TRUE TABLE. 
          AND THEN IN D JUST CLEANING UP AGAIN, SOME TABLES THAT ARE NO LONGER WITHIN THIS UDC SECTION. 
          AND THEN AN F AGAIN, JUST CLEANING UP SOME SECTIONS THAT ARE NO LONGER THERE. 
          AND H UM, JUST CLARIFYING AGAIN, SOME MORE SECTIONS. 
          TWO AGAIN, JUST CLARIFYING SOME SECTIONS THAT WERE MOVED AROUND WITH SOME AMENDMENTS. 
          AND THEN 20 21 9 12. 
          UM, WITH SU THE, THE SUP PROCESS BEING AMENDED, IT WAS A NEVER CLEANED UP THE SITE PLAN PROCESS SECTION, UM, WHERE IT REQUIRED A SITE PLAN WITH THE SUP PROCESS. 
          SO WHERE, UM, CLEANING THIS UP NOW WHERE IT REQUIRED A SITE PLAN WITH THE PDD OR SUP. 
          SO WE'RE JUST CLEANING THAT UP NOW AND THEN, UM, WE NEVER REQUIRED A PRE PRE-APPLICATION CONFERENCE FOR A SITE PLAN PROCESS. 
          UM, AND THEN AGAIN, MORE CLEANUP. 
          UM, AND THEN HERE, JUST MORE CLEANUP AGAIN. 
          UM, WE REMOVE THE LANGUAGE OF ORDINARY, WE CLARIFIED WITH OUR CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL TO MAKE SURE IT DIDN'T MEAN ANYTHING IN THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE. 
          AND HE REASSURED US THAT IT WASN'T ANYTHING EXTRAORDINARY, IT DIDN'T MEAN ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR TO THEM. 
          AND THEN AGAIN, UM, THIS IS JUST A SNEAK PEEK TO WHAT MR. HAAS IS BRINGING YOU UP NEXT, BUT A REMOVAL OF THE SAFE, EARLY, EFFICIENT AND HELPFUL DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY. 
          THIS IS GONNA BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S COMING UP NEXT AND THEN F SOME MORE CLEANUP WITH THINGS THAT ARE NOT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT IS IN THE U2 C ANYMORE. 
          AND THEN ARTICLE 16 DEFINITIONS. 
          WE WERE ALREADY GETTING SOME QUESTIONS WITH WHAT THE MINIMUM OF 45 FEET AND WHAT THAT 45 FEET, WHAT IT WAS MEANT FOR. 
          SO WE JUST REALLY WANTED TO GET IN ON THAT EARLY AND CLARIFY THAT IT WAS FOR A MINIMUM, MINIMUM OF 45 FEET IN HEIGHT. 
          WE WANTED TO PREVENT ANY QUESTIONS IN THE FUTURE AND WE WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THESE BUILDINGS HAD TO BE A MINIMUM OF 45 FEET AND HEIGHT FOR A 
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MIXED USE SELF-STORAGE BUILDING. 
          AND THEN AGAIN, THESE PROPOSED UDC AME AMENDMENTS PROMOTE CONSISTENCY THROUGHOUT THE UDC AND PROVIDE ADDITIONAL CLARITY IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF PL UDC 20 24 0 1 7 6 AND AMENDMENTS TO PART THREE OF THE CHURCH'S COURT OF ORDINANCES. 
          UDC ARTICLE FIVE, SECTION 21 5 9, SPECIAL DISTRICTS ARTICLE NINE, SECTION 21 9 3 LOTS, SECTION 21 9 8, SCREENING AND FENCING, SECTION 2199, TREE PRESERVATION MITIGATION SECTION 21 9 12, SITE PLAN, PROCESS, AND ARTICLE 16 DEFINITIONS. 
          ANY COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS AND YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE A CROWD. 
          ALRIGHT DAISY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          IT IS UH, 7:00 PM AT THIS TIME. 
          I'LL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THIS TOPIC. 
          BIG STAMPEDE, RIGHT? I I'M JUST WATCHING THE CLOCK. 
          LET IT TICK OVER ONE . 
          ALRIGHT, IT IS, UH, 7:01 PM AND HEARING NO INTEREST, THE PUBLIC, UH, PUBLIC INPUT IS CLOSED. 
          UH, COMMISSIONERS COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? UM, YEAH. 
          ALRIGHT, GO AHEAD. 
          UH, DAISY ON THE CHAIN LINK FENCING THE SCREENING ON A CHAIN LINK FENCE, DOES THAT INCLUDE VINES AND VEGETATION? NO. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          TAKE YOUR TIME. 
          TAKE YOUR TIME. 
          I THINK I TOOK THAT PERSONAL NO, THERE'S, THERE'S A SECTION THAT EXPLICITLY ALLOWS THAT. 
          OH MY. 
          YOU HAVE SOME WATER? NO, I HAVE WATER. 
          GET YOU SOME WIPE OUT THE CROSS. 
          THE CROSS IS ALL, YEAH, VINES ARE OKAY. 
           THE INTENT OF THAT, LIKE  IS SOMETHING THAT'S UM, LIKE, UH, PEOPLE CALL IT LIKE SNIPER CLOTH. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S THE INTENT OF THAT. 
          OR, OR VENETIAN BLIND STUFF AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          METAL YEAH. 
          ARE ATTACHED TO CHAIN LINK. 
          THAT'S THE LOOPHOLE THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN USING. 
          YEAH. 
          VINES ARE VERY SENSITIVE TO YOUR ANOTHER QUESTION I I I DIDN'T FIND WHERE IT WAS COVERED BEFORE, BUT ON, ON BARBED WIRE, ARE WE INCLUDING SECURITY FENCES IN THAT? I THINK THERE'S A, AN EXCEPTION FOR UTILITIES SOMEWHERE. 
          YEAH, THERE'S A, THERE'S A SECTION LATER ON THAT SAYS PUBLIC WORKS COULD USE UM, BARBED WIRE AND ALL OF THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT IN WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT TONIGHT. 
          RIGHT? IT'S SOMEPLACE ELSE. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          , THERE YOU GO. 
          SAY IT AGAIN. 
          SO I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT THE CLARIFICATION WAS THAT IT'S NOT JUST FOR CITY OF SHIRTS PUBLIC WORKS FACILITIES, BUT ANY PUBLIC WATER WASTEWATER FACILITY CAN USE THAT EXEMPTION. 
          UM, IT DOES ALLOW FOR CHAIN LINK IF IT'S, OR EXCUSE ME, UM, BARBED WIRE SECURITY FENCING, UM, IF OTHER MATTERS ARE, ARE ALSO DONE AS WELL, BUT THAT'S IN A DIFFERENT SECTION. 
          WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO CHANGE THAT. 
          GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM,  THE, UM, NOW JUST A LITTLE CRITIQUE ON YOUR, YOUR POWERPOINT HERE. 
          IT PULLS ALL OF THIS OUT OF CONTEXT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IT MAKES IT A LITTLE DIFFICULT. 
          THE MEMO, THE FORMAT THAT THE STAFF MEMO WAS WRITTEN IN, IT WAS A LITTLE EASIER TO, UM, TO WHERE YOU HAD WHAT IT IS NOW AND WHAT YOU WANT TO CHANGE. 
          IT WAS RIGHT THERE, SO IT WAS EASY FOR US TO SEE. 
          UM, SO FENCE MATERIAL, UM, WHAT ABOUT THESE? AND, AND, AND, AND THIS IS A TRADE NAME, BUT IT'S THE ONLY THING I KNOW HOW TO CALL IT. 
          I, I CALL IT FENCE CREEK. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I DON'T WHERE DOES THAT FIT IN YOUR MATERIALS? BUT IT, BUT IT'S NOT AS CONCRETE. 
          IT'S 
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THAT POURED CONCRETE. 
          YOU SEE IT? MM-HMM. 
           AROUND. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I WOULD SAY WE HAVE HISTORICALLY ALWAYS CONSIDERED FENCE CRETE, WHICH IS RIGHT, THE ACTUAL BRAND. 
          RIGHT? FENCE CREEK. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, AS A MASONRY SCREENING MATERIAL. 
          SO I COULD AGREE, RIGHT? IT'S NOT TECHNICALLY STONE OR BRICK, BUT IT IS TRADITIONALLY USED IN PRIVATE FENCE CONSTRUCTION. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD STILL BE PERMITTED. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN, AND THEN THE, THE QUESTION OF UH, OF BARBED WIRE AND AGRICULTURE IS RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF ME. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, AND JUST, UH, AGAIN AS A CLARIFICATION ON YOUR TREES, UM, THAT TABLE WAS, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WE DON'T WORRY ABOUT. 
          THOSE ARE THE TRASH TREES. 
          CORRECT SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          THEY DO NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR THOSE. 
          GOTCHA. 
          ANYBODY ELSE? WHAT IF YOU WANTED TO USE CHICKEN WIRE AROUND YOUR SHRUBS TO KEEP ANIMALS FROM EATING IT? COULD YOU NOT DO THAT? IT, WE WOULD ADD IT DIFFERENTLY. 
          OR IF YOU'RE TRYING TO FENCE USING CHICKEN WIRE BETWEEN YOU AND MR. OUTLAW'S PROPERTY, THAT IS WHERE OKAY. 
          YOU KNOW, THIS REALLY COMES IN, BUT IF, IF YOU WANNA BUILD A LITTLE SMALL SCREENING AROUND A SHRUB YOU HAVE IN YOUR BACKYARD, YOU'RE NOT REALLY GONNA PULL A FENCE PERMIT FOR THAT. 
          RIGHT? IT'S, UM, YEAH, I, I I WOULD THINK THAT SOMETHING LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, PUTTING AROUND A, A TREE OR A SHRUB, UH, TO PROTECT AGAINST THE DEER WOULD PROBABLY BE OUTSIDE THE INTENT OR THE SCOPE OF, OF THE UDC. 
          ALRIGHT, THANKS. 
          I'M NOT SURE IT'S RELEVANT BUT I, I FIND IT REALLY INTERESTING THAT YOU BROUGHT TEXAS A AND M INTO IT AND I WAS CURIOUS HOW YOU GUYS WENT ABOUT DOING THAT. 
          I JUST REALLY CARE ABOUT TREES AND SAM HAD CONTACTED THIS MAN EITHER WAY AND I WAS JUST INVITED TO THE TABLE AND I JUST REALLY CARE ABOUT TREES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S REALLY INTERESTING. 
          . 
          THEY HAVE A REALLY GOOD FORESTRY DEPARTMENT. 
          YEAH, IT WORKED OUT. 
          REALLY EXCELLENT FORESTRY DEPARTMENT. 
          IT WORKED OUT REALLY WELL. 
          SAM WAS ALREADY MEETING WITH HIM FOR ANOTHER MATTER AND IT WAS LIKE, HEY, WE'RE WORKING ON THIS UAC AMENDMENT. 
          LET'S GET HIS TAKE ON IT. 
          HE'S THE EXPERT HERE SO IT JUST KIND OF, EVERYTHING FELL IN PLACE. 
          ANYONE ELSE? ALRIGHT, THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL TO EITHER APPROVE, DENY, OR APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS. 
          IF SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PL UDC 2 0 24 0 1 6 7. 
          SECOND AND A SECOND. 
          ALL RIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PUDC 20 24 0 1 6 7 TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTES. 
          ALRIGHT, I HAVE SIX VOTES. 
          YOU PUBLISH THAT PLEASE. 
          I HAVE SIX AYES AND NONE OPPOSED THAT MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ITEM FIVE 
          [B.  PLUDC20240195 - Conduct a public hearing, workshop and discussion and possible action to make a recommendation on amendments to Part III of the Schertz Code of Ordinances, Unified Development Code (UDC), to Article 4 - Procedures and Applications, and Article 5 - Zoning Districts.]
B-P-L-U-D-C 20 24 0 1 9 5 CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING WORKSHOP AND DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON AMENDMENTS TO PART THREE OF THE SHIRTS. 
          CODE OF ORDINANCES UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE UDC TO ARTICLE FOUR, PROCEDURES AND APPLICATIONS AND ARTICLE FIVE ZONING DISTRICTS. 
          SAM, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. 
          PO UDC 2 0 2 4 1 0 1 9 5 UDC AMENDMENTS, ARTICLE FOUR AND ARTICLE FIVE. 
          SAMUEL HALL SENIOR PLANNER. 
          SO AS YOU GUYS ARE PROBABLY FAMILIAR BY NOW, WE HAVE THESE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL THAT WE, WE LIST OFF EVERY TIME THAT WE'RE DOING OUR ANALYSIS FOR ALL OUR VARIOUS APPLICATIONS. 
          UM, THEY'RE PRETTY, UH, THEY'RE CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT THE UDC. 
          WE HAVE 'EM FOR VARIOUS DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS. 
          BUT KIND OF LOOKING AT OUR CHANGES IN PRACTICE AND THE WAY THAT WE'VE, UH, UPDATED OUR UDC, AND WE ALSO LOOKED AT SOME TARGET CITY RESEARCH. 
          UM, WE THOUGHT THAT WE, THERE WERE CERTAIN SECTIONS THAT COULD USE A LITTLE UPDATING, UM, AND FRANKLY A LITTLE STREAMLINING. 
          UM, SO THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE TODAY ARE TO THE SECTIONS FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND PLAN AMENDMENTS, THE UDC AMENDMENTS ZONE CHANGES AND SPECIFIC USE PERMITS. 
          UH, IN THE ZONE CHANGE SPECIFICALLY, WE'RE GONNA, UH, WE'RE PROPOSING TO CHANGE A LITTLE BIT OF LANGUAGE TOO, TO, JUST TO MAKE THINGS SIMPLE AND CLEAR. 
          SO WE'LL START, I HAVE THESE TABLES HERE. 
          UH, WE'LL START, GO THROUGH IT ONE BY ONE. 
          WHAT YOU SEE ON THE LEFT SIDE IS WHAT'S CURRENTLY IN 
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THE CODE. 
          UM, WHEN YOU SEE A STRIKE THROUGH, WE'RE PROPOSING TO ACTUALLY ELIMINATE THAT LANGUAGE. 
          AND WHEN YOU SEE RED ON THE RIGHT SIDE, WHICH IS WHAT'S PROPOSED, THAT IS LANGUAGE THAT IS GOING TO BE ADDED IN. 
          SO WE'LL GO THROUGH THESE ONE BY ONE. 
          UH, IN THE CURRENT TEXT, YOU SEE THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT PROMOTES HEALTH, SAFETY OR GENERAL WELFARE OF THE CITY AND THE SAFE, ORDERLY, EFFICIENT, AND HEALTHFUL DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY. 
          FRANKLY, IT SEEMS A BIT REDUNDANT TO ASK FOR HEALTH AND SAFETY AND SAFE AND HEALTHFUL DEVELOPMENT. 
          IT'S ALSO A BIT OF A MOUTHFUL. 
          STAFF IS PROPOSING TO JUST KIND OF STRIKE THAT. 
          THE INTENT OF THAT SENTENCE IS PERFECTLY DONE IN THE FIRST PART OF IT. 
          UH, AND NUMBER TWO, UH, WE ARE STRIKING SOME OF THAT LANGUAGE 'CAUSE IT SEEMS A BIT INTUITIVE ALREADY, OR OBVIOUS, IF YOU WILL. 
          ALSO, IF YOU SEE DOWN HERE ON NUMBER FOUR, WE'RE ELIMINATING THAT AND WE'RE ACTUALLY COMBINING IT. 
          SO WE'RE COMBINING TWO AND FOUR, AND WE'RE BASICALLY SAYING AN AMENDMENT TO THE TEXT CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS, OBJECTIVES, AND POLICIES OF THE COMP PLAN. 
          NUMBER THREE, ESSENTIALLY JUST STRIKING A LITTLE BIT OF LANGUAGE TO MAKE THAT, UH, A LITTLE LESS REDUNDANT. 
          AND THEN NUMBER FOUR, WE'RE LEAVING IN PLACE. 
          AND NUMBER FIVE, UH, WE'VE ESSENTIALLY SAID WE'VE CHANGED THE WORD CRITERIA TO AVOID CONFUSION AS THIS SECTION IS CALLED CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL. 
          THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT THAT SENTENCE IS SORT OF CONSIDERING. 
          IT'S, IT'S SAYING, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE HA THAT ISN'T LISTED HERE THAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT? RIGHT? SO WE'RE ESSENTIALLY CHANGING THE LANGUAGE TO SAY OTHER FACTORS WHICH ARE DEEMED RELEVANT AND, UM, AND NOT NECESSARILY JUST AT THE DISCRETION OF PLANNING AND ZONING OR CITY COUNCIL, RIGHT? COULD BE FOR ANY REASON. 
          MOVING ON TO, UH, THE UDC SECTION 21 4 7 D. 
          UH, NOT A LOT OF CHANGES HERE. 
          UH, AGAIN, KIND OF JUST, YOU KNOW, ELIMINATING SOME REDUNDANCIES HERE. 
          UM, COMBINING TWO AND THREE OVER HERE ON THE PROPOSED SIDE, WE'VE ADDED NUMBER THREE HERE TO SAY THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT CORRECTS AN ERROR, MEETS THE CHALLENGE OF CHANGING CONDITIONS, OR IS IN RESPONSE TO CHANGES IN STATE LAW. 
          THESE ARE NUMBER THREE. 
          WE DO ALL THE TIME. 
          WE'RE DOING IT HERE TODAY, MS. MARQUEZ, AS YOU SAW. 
          SO WE FELT THAT THAT WAS REALLY NECESSARY TO ADD THAT IN THERE AS PART OF OUR CRITERIA. 
          AGAIN, NUMBER FOUR, WE, WE CHANGED THAT TO FACTORS ON, UH, THE ZONE. 
          THE NEXT SECTION IS FOR ZONE CHANGE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL, 21 5 4 D. 
          THIS ONE, UH, HAS QUITE A BIT OF CHANGES. 
          WE'VE GONE FROM EIGHT ITEMS TO FOUR. 
          UM, AND I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH THAT. 
          SO, ONE AND TWO, AGAIN, KIND OF PRETTY SIMILAR, JUST KIND OF ELIMINATING THE REDUNDANCIES. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CONTAINS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. 
          SO OF COURSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE USING. 
          UM, SO, AND WE HAVE NUMBER THREE, WHETHER THE, ON THE PROPOSED SIDE, WHETHER THE USES PERMITTED BY THE PROPOSED CHANGE WILL BE CONSISTENT AND APPROPRIATE WITH THE EXISTING USES IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA. 
          WHAT WE'RE ESSENTIALLY SAYING THERE IS, YOU KNOW, IS, IS THE ZONE CHANGE AND THE USES THAT ARE ALLOWED WITHIN THAT DISTRICT, CONSISTENT WITH WHAT IS IN THE AREA, RIGHT? A LOT OF YOU, YOU KIND OF GET THAT IN NUMBER THREE HERE, BUT WE USE THE, A LANGUAGE APPROPRIATE TO KIND OF, OR CONSISTENT, I'M SORRY TO 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE CONSTANTLY DO IN OUR ANALYSIS. 
          WE JUST WANNA INCLUDE IT IN OUR, IN NUMBER THREE HERE. 
          SO YOU SEE THAT WE'VE GOTTEN RID OF 4, 5, 6, AND SEVEN, AND I'LL KIND OF TOUCH ON THAT HERE IN A MINUTE. 
          BUT A LOT OF, WHEN WE'RE GOING THROUGH THESE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL, WE OFTEN SAY, NO, NO, NO. 
          OR THIS DOES NOT AFFECT THE CONSIDERATION OR RECOMMENDATION. 
          AND SO IF WE'RE CONSISTENTLY DOING THIS, THEN WE JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S, WE COULD PROPOSE TO ELIMINATE IT. 
          YOU KNOW, THESE PROPOSED CHANGES IN ACCORDS WITH PLANS WITH PUBLIC STREETS AND WATER SUPPLY AND SANITARY SOONER. 
          WE DO THAT IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS ALREADY. 
          AND OFTENTIMES WHEN WE HAVE THESE ZONE CHANGES, WE GET HUNG UP ON WHETHER THERE'S A WATER LINE THERE OR NOT, NOT, OR WHETHER THERE'S A STREET THERE OR NOT. 
          AND THE ZONING ACTION DOESN'T REALLY PERTAIN TO THAT NECESSARILY. 
          I MEAN, SURE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN CONSIDER, BUT IF THEY'RE GONNA BUILD SOMETHING THERE AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE WATERLINE THERE TODAY, WE'RE GONNA MAKE 'EM DO IT TO PROVIDE ACCESS. 
          YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT REALLY A ZONING CONSIDERATION. 
          UH, AND AGAIN, ON NUMBER EIGHT HERE, THE, WE CHANGED THAT TO THE FACTORS JUST BEING CONSISTENT WITH OUR OTHER CHANGES. 
          AND SO, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THE OTHER CHANGES IN 2154 D WE'RE ELIMINATING THIS ZONING MAP AMENDMENT. 
          UM, WHAT THIS REALLY IS, IS A HOLDOVER FROM THE PAST. 
          THERE WERE TIMES WHERE YOU WOULD MAKE A ZONE CHANGE AND THE MAP WOULDN'T ACTUALLY GET CHANGED UNTIL MUCH LATER. 
          UH, AS TECHNOLOGY HAS GOTTEN 
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A LOT BETTER, YOU CAN BASICALLY DO THAT THE NEXT DAY. 
          UM, SO IT'S NOT REALLY NECESSARY TO PUT IT IN THERE BECAUSE WE WILL NEVER MAKE A ZONE CHANGE AND NOT MAKE A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT AT THE SAME TIME. 
          SO THIS BACK TAXES THING THAT YOU'LL SEE THAT WE'RE STRIKING NOW, DID A LOT OF RESEARCH ON THIS. 
          NOT SURE WHY IT WAS THERE. 
          IT'S NOT REALLY A REQUIREMENT IN THE STATE. 
          UH, BEST GUESS FROM STAFF SIDE IS THAT THERE WAS THIS WHOLE SECTION IN THE 2012 CHARTER ABOUT TAX ASSESSOR COLLECTOR DUTIES AND HOW WHEN TO GET TAXES AND WHEN TO LEVY THEM. 
          AND IT DOES KIND OF ALLUDE TO DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS IN THIS SECTION OF THE CHARTER. 
          IN 20 15, 3 YEARS LATER, WE EL THE CITY ELIMINATED THIS WHOLE SECTION, AND THERE WAS NO INFORMATION IN THE CURRENT CHARTER AT ALL ABOUT ANY OF THIS. 
          SO THE WHOLE BACK TAXES REQUIREMENT, WE THINK WAS PROBABLY A HOLDOVER FROM THAT TIME. 
          AND SO SINCE WE'RE NOT DOING THAT ANYMORE, WE CON THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WHEN WE WE'RE ALWAYS UP HERE SAYING THAT THIS DOESN'T AFFECT THE CONSIDERATION, YOU KNOW, THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO RECORD A PLAT OR DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT WITHOUT BACK TAXES BEING PAID. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WE COLLECT 'EM AT OTHER TIMES, SO IT'S NOT REALLY NECESSARY ANYMORE. 
          FINALLY, THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, UH, THIS ONE IS PROBABLY THE ONE WE'RE MAKING THE MOST ADJUSTMENTS TO BECAUSE THERE'S 10 CRITERIA IN TOTAL CURRENTLY. 
          AND A LOT OF THAT, AS MS. MARQUEZ, UH, MENTIONED IN THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T REQUIRE SITE PLANS FOR SPECIFIC USE PERMITS ANYMORE. 
          WE USED TO MAKE 'EM DO THE WHOLE SITE PLAN PROCESS AND A LOT OF THESE REQUIREMENTS ON THE LEFT SIDE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MITIGATING, UH, IMPACTS AND PROVIDING ROADWAY ADJUSTMENTS AND ALL THOSE THINGS ARE DONE WITH THE SITE PLAN PROCESS. 
          AND SINCE THE SUP IS NOW DONE AT THE VERY BEGINNING, IT'S SORT OF THE START OF THE PROCESS. 
          WE NO LONGER REALLY REQUIRE THAT SITE PLAN, AND THERE'S NO WAY FOR THEM TO, TO US TO REALLY ACCURATELY ANALYZE THAT WITH THESE CRITERIA. 
          SO AGAIN, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE, AS YOU'LL SEE AT NUMBER ONE, WE, YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF KEPT THE LANGUAGE CONSISTENT. 
          WE ALSO PUT IN HERE, AND I, I BELIEVE I FORGOT TO MENTION IN THE LAST SECTION, THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE THESE POLICIES, IS THIS PROPOSED USE, UH, CONSISTENT WITH THE POLICIES OF THE ADOPTIVE ADOPTED CONTENT OF LAND PLAN, AND ALSO ANY OTHER APPLICABLE PLAN. 
          SO THIS ALLOWS US TO USE THE STRATEGIC PLAN IN OUR ANALYSIS. 
          IT ALLOWS US TO USE THE MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLAN IN OUR ANALYSIS. 
          WE BASICALLY WANT TO, YOU KNOW, BRING IN ALL OTHER POLICIES OR PLANS THAT THE CITY HAD TO USE FOR THIS, UH, FOR OUR ANALYSIS HERE. 
          NUMBER THREE WAS ADDED IN. 
          UM, THIS IS COM, UH, A NEW ONE. 
          THE PROPOSED USE IS COMPATIBLE WITH AND PRESERVES THE CHARACTER AND INTEGRITY OF ADJACENT DEVELOPMENTS IN NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          UM, ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE ELIMINATING WITH THREE, OR WE'RE PROPOSING TO ELIMINATE WITH 3, 4, 5, AND I THINK SIX SEVEN, UH, THAT ESSENTIALLY WRAPS ALL OF THOSE THINGS INTO ONE SENTENCE. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE INTENT OF THESE ARE, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE USE IS COMPATIBLE AND PRESERVES THE CHARACTER AND INTEGRITY OF ADJACENT DEVELOPMENTS IN NEIGHBORHOODS ON NUMBER FOUR. 
          NUMBER FOUR IS PROPOSED BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT WE THINK THAT THE SPECIFIC USE IS REALLY ABOUT, RIGHT? THERE'S A LOT OF PERMITTED USES THAT YOU'RE JUST ALLOWED TO DO BY, RIGHT? YOU CAN GO IN AND PULL A PERMIT WITH A PLATTED LOT TOMORROW AND JUST DO IT. 
          HOWEVER, THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT IS SPECIAL. 
          AND WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE, UH, A LITTLE MORE STRICT CRITERIA AND LOOK AT IT WITH A LITTLE MORE CAREFUL LENS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING USES. 
          SO NUMBER FOUR, WE SAID THE PROPOSED USE WILL NOT, NOT JUST PROMOTE THE OVERALL HEALTH AND SAFETY IN GENERAL WELFARE, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE WRITTEN CURRENTLY, BUT WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE OVERALL HEALTH, SAFETY AND GENERAL WELFARE OF THE CITY. 
          SO IN A, YOU KNOW, IN A REAL, UH, HOW DO THESE CHANGING THE CRITERIA, CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL, WE LOOK AT THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL, RIGHT? THIS CHANGES TO THE UDC TEXT. 
          JUST GO THROUGH THESE ONE BY ONE. 
          HOPEFULLY ONE DAY THESE WILL BE SHORTER. 
          UH, NUMBER ONE, THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT PROMOTES THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND GENERAL WELFARE OF THE CITY AND THE SAFE, ORDERLY, EFFICIENT HEALTH DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY. 
          SO THE UDC DOES FUNCTION BETTER WHEN IT MATCHES OUR CURRENT PRACTICES. 
          UM, FOR EXAMPLE, THE SUP PROCESS, THE, IT, IT, IT'S BETTER FOR THE RESIDENTS OF SHIRTS FOR APPLICANTS AND FOR STAFF. 
          WHEN THERE'S CONTINUITY AND CLARITY THROUGHOUT THE UDC AND STREAMLINING, OUR CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL WILL ASSIST WITH THE ORDERLY AND EFFICIENT DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY. 
          NUMBER TWO AMENDMENT TO THE TEXT IS CONSISTENT WITH OTHER POLICIES OF THE CITY. 
          SO MANY OF THESE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS REFLECT CHANGES IN THE CHARTER ADOPTED ORDINANCES AND POLICIES AND UPDATED CITY PRACTICES. 
          SO THESE AMENDMENTS, FRANKLY, ARE CONSISTENT WITH THESE POLICIES OF THE UDC AND THE CITY. 
          ANY 
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PROPOSED MINUTES CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES OF THIS UDC AND THE CITY. 
          I'D LIKE TO BRING IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN HERE. 
          ONE OF THE STATED GOALS FOR THE OPERATIONAL VALUES OF THE CITY IS TO BE PROACTIVE, MEANING INITIATING CHANGE BY ANTICIPATING FUTURE SITUATIONS. 
          AND ALSO IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF STAFF TO BE CONTINUOUSLY IMPROVING AND EVOLVING AND FORWARD THINKING WITH THESE AMENDMENTS. 
          AND FOR THAT, WE THINK THESE GOALS DO ACHIEVE THE STRATEGIC PLAN OBJECTIVES. 
          AND THEN NUMBER FOUR ARE THE CRITERIA WHICH HAD THE DISCRETION OF PLANNING AND ZONING AND CITY COUNCIL ARE DEEMED RELEVANT AND IMPORTANT IN THE CONSIDERATION OF THESE AMENDMENTS. 
          STAFF HAS RECEIVED NO SPECIAL CONSIDERATION AT THIS POINT. 
          THIS PUBLIC HEARING IS TO PROVIDE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO DETERMINE THIS. 
          THESE AMENDMENTS ALIGN WITH THE GOALS, OBJECTIONS, AND POLICY OF THE UDC AND THE CITY, AND THEREFORE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF PUDC 2 0 2 4 0 1 9 5. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SAM. 
          OKAY. 
          ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING AND, UH, I'M GONNA CALL THIS ONE, UH, 7:20 PM ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? NO ONE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          7:21 PM PUBLIC INPUT IS CLOSED. 
          UH, COMMISSIONERS, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT, SAM, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE, UH, SUP SLIDE? UH, THAT ONE RIGHT THERE. 
          UM, GO BACK ONE MORE. 
          LEMME SEE IF I CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT MY COMMENT HERE WAS. 
          . 
          OH, IT'S, UM, HOW DO I WANT TO SAY THIS? I, I, OF COURSE, I, IT, IT'S, IT'S CERTAINLY SHORTER AND MORE CONCISE THAN THE OLD ONE. 
          AND IT'S PROBABLY THE SAME ISSUE WE'VE HAD WITH THE OLD ONE IS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, COMPATIBLE IS NOT THAT BIG A DEAL. 
          YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES AND, YOU KNOW, WE EXPECT, UH, A DRUG STORE OR, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, EVEN A GAS STATION TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH SAY A, A RESIDENTIAL AREA. 
          BUT WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT PRESERVING THE CHARACTER AND INTEGRITY OF ADJACENT DEVELOPMENTS, I'M NOT, I I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'RE, WE, WE CAN GET OURSELVES OR WE LEAVE OURSELVES OPEN TO CRITICISM BECAUSE CERTAINLY, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, PUTTING A, A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS PUMPS IN FRONT OF US, A SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION IS, IS, I, I CAN ARGUE THAT THAT CERTAINLY DOESN'T PRESERVE THE CHARACTER AND INTEGRITY. 
          UM, AGAIN, I THINK IT'S COMPATIBLE, BUT, UH, I'M NOT SURE THERE ARE ANY BETTER WORDS. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, UM, AND, AND MAYBE YOU'VE GIVEN US, UM, LESS WORDS TO ARGUE ABOUT. 
          SO, UM, IT IS WHAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE CODE. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SO WE KEPT THAT AREA THERE, BUT SO GO TO THAT, GO TO YOUR NEXT PAGE. 
          'CAUSE I WANNA TALK ABOUT NUMBER SIX. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, THE PROPOSED USE INCORPORATES FEATURES OR MINIMIZE ADVERSE EFFECTS, INCLUDING VISUAL IMPACTS OF THE PROPOSED USE OF ADJACENT PROPERTIES. 
          UM, ARE WE, AND, AND SO HOW ARE WE THEN GOING TO, UH, ENSURE THAT, FOR INSTANCE, WE'VE GOT THE EIGHT FOOT MASONRY WALL REQUIREMENT. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE, THE COMMENTS THAT WE GET FROM THE RESIDENTS THAT TALK ABOUT LIGHTING, RIGHT? UM, ARE THOSE NOT THE KIND OF THINGS THAT SIX ADDRESSES. 
          SO IF WE ELIMINATE THAT, HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THOSE CONTINUE TO BE PART OF THE PROCESS? SO I CAN TELL YOU THAT EVERY TIME THAT WHEN WE PRESENT A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO YOU AND WE SAY, NUMBER SIX, YADA, YADA, YADA, WE ALWAYS SAY THAT ARTICLE NINE IS IN PLACE TO ENSURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE EFFECTS ARE MITIGATED AND MINIMIZED AND THOSE ARE ALWAYS IN PLACE DURING THE SITE PLAN PROCESS. 
          MM-HMM. 
           REALLY THIS IS THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. 
          WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT THE USE ITSELF, HOW THE SITE INTERMINGLES WITH WHAT'S AROUND IT IS DONE AT A LATER STAGE IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN, UM, JUST ONE MORE QUESTION FROM ME. 
          UH, NEXT PAGE. 
          UH, I THINK IT WAS, I THINK IT'S THE LAST OF YOUR CRITERIA. 
          I THINK IT'S NUMBER FOUR. 
          UM, AND, AND, AND OF COURSE WE'VE SEEN THIS A LOT AND I'VE NEVER THOUGHT TO ASK, BUT WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS? 
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YEAH, I THINK OFTENTIMES, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL GET A CITY COUNCIL INITIATED ITEM OR A PLANNING AND ZONING INITIATED ITEM, AND WE'LL SAY, HEY, I WANT YOU GUYS TO LOOK AT THIS AND PROPOSE SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, AND THEN O OFTENTIMES, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT GET, THIS MIGHT BE PUBLISHED AND Y'ALL MIGHT CALL UP AND SAY, HEY, LET'S, DID Y'ALL THINK ABOUT THIS, THAT, OR THE OTHER? SO IN GENERAL, WE DON'T REALLY GET A LOT. 
          AND, AND, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE KIND OF GETTING RID OF IT TOO, BECAUSE IT DOES SEEM, YOU KNOW, WHEN DOES THIS REALLY EVER HAPPEN? UM, ALRIGHT. 
          NO, THAT'S GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          RODERICK, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? YEAH. 
          IN, IN, IN LOOKING AT THE, UH, THE SPECIAL USE SLIDE AGAIN, I WAS JUST WONDERING IS IT WITH INTENTIONALITY THAT IT'S SO HIGHLY SUBJECTIVE? I THINK THAT'S KIND OF THE STRUGGLES THAT I KNOW I'VE HAD IN THE PAST, UH, WHEN CERTAIN PROPOSALS HAVE COME UP. 
          UH, AND I WAS JUST WONDERING IF, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN I READ A LOT OF THESE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE JUST PURELY SUBJECTIVE. 
          SOME OF 'EM, YOU KNOW, IS THAT TO PROVIDE AS MUCH LATITUDE AS POSSIBLE IN MAKING AN ASSESSMENT OR, I, I THINK THE, THE IDEA BEHIND THESE CHANGES IS THAT, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE PROPERLY ANALYZE WHAT TRAFFIC MITIGATION METHODS THEY'RE GONNA HAVE, FOR EXAMPLE, AT THIS STAGE, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW, HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE MAKE ENSURE THAT WHEN THEY'RE, THEY COME IN WITH A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT APPLICATION, THAT THEY'RE NOT GENERATING PEDESTRIAN VEHICLE TRAFFIC THAT WILL BE HAZARDOUS OR, OR CONFLICT, RIGHT. 
          I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT RIGHT NOW IS, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE USED TO HAVE A SITE PLAN PROCESS FOR THE SUP THAT ALLOWED US TO ANSWER ALL THESE QUESTIONS. 
          WE NO LONGER DO THAT. 
          SO STAFF HAS TO HONESTLY STRETCH OR BRING IN OTHER PARTS OF THE UDC. 
          RIGHT? AND IT'S, IT'S A BIT OF A, IT, ALL THIS REALLY IS, IS MATCHING WHAT WE CURRENTLY DO IN THE CITY. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND, AND I, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT'S A CHALLENGE FOR, FOR STAFF, UH, SPECIFICALLY IN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MATTER THAT CAME UP REGARDING THE, THE GAS STATION. 
          SURE. 
          OUTSIDE THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, I WOULD THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO NOT NECESSARILY DO IT LIKE WE'VE DONE IT IN THE PAST, UH, LIKE THE ONE THAT'S ON CHURCH PARKWAY RIGHT DOWN HERE. 
          YEAH. 
          OR THE ONE THAT'S THE VALERO THAT'S DOWN HERE, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, RIGHT BEHIND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UH, AND I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF, YOU KNOW, IF WE LOOK AT THAT AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, IT, IT WAS SOMETHING WE DID, IT MAY HAVE BEEN ACCEPTABLE THEN, RIGHT? IS IT SOMETHING WE WANT TO CONTINUE DOING? AND, UH, I MEAN IT PROVIDES A LOT OF LATITUDE. 
          I JUST, AGAIN, I THINK WHEN WE HAD THAT MEETING, YOU KNOW, MY COMMENT WAS, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT DO WE WANT SHIRTS ULTIMATELY TO LOOK LIKE, TO BE, SO, YEAH. 
          AND I, I THINK THAT IF, IF THE IDEA IS THAT WE PROBABLY DON'T WANT GAS STATIONS AND GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICTS ANYMORE, BECAUSE THAT WAS THE CASE RIGHT THERE, YOU CAN HAVE A GAS STATION IN A GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT WITH A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT CASE BY CASE BASIS WITH A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO THERE'S PLENTY OF GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICTS IN THE CITY THAT ARE NOT ANYWHERE NEAR RESIDENTIAL AREAS. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          BUT SOME ARE MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO THE WAY THAT WE CAN DO OUR ANALYSIS AND SAY, WELL, THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT IS THEIR RIGHT TO SAY, WELL, IT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE HERE, BUT NOT THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE DOING. 
          AND FRANKLY, THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT SPECIFIC USE PERMIT AS WELL. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          YES, SIR. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT SUV'S R FOUR TO GIVE US AND, AND CITY COUNCIL, UM, BASICALLY THE, UM, THE FLEXIBILITY THAT AS, AS YOU SAID, YEAH, THIS CERTAINLY IS OKAY HERE, BUT NOT HERE. 
          PART OF, PART OF MY PROBLEM, UM, IN, I DON'T WANNA GET TOO FAR OFF TRACK HERE, BUT, 
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UH, SINCE WE TALKED ABOUT THE, THE, UH, CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS PUMPS OUT ON 1518, IT'S A PERFECT EXAMPLE. 
          WE, WE ELIMINATED THE NEED FOR A, OR THE REQUIREMENT FOR A SITE PLAN, UH, BECAUSE A CASE WAS MADE THAT, THAT'S A LOT OF, UH, THAT'S A LOT OF EXPENSE, UM, FOR THE DEVELOPER TO PUT IN UPFRONT, UM, JUST TO BE DISAPPROVED. 
          AND SO, UM, WE ELIMINATED THAT REQUIREMENT. 
          THAT WAS A CONSCIOUS DECISION, UH, ON OUR PART AND CITY COUNCIL. 
          UM, I HAVE SECOND THOUGHTS, BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, I WASN'T, UH, ANYWAY, BUT, SO GETTING BACK TO WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS, AND WE SEE THE SAME THING IN ZONING CASES. 
          UM, WHEN SOMEBODY WANTS TO REZONE A PIECE OF PROPERTY, IT'S IRRELEVANT TO THE DISCUSSION OF WHAT THEY WANT TO DO ON IT. 
          THE, THE, THE, THE, THE DISCUSSION SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON WHETHER OR NOT THAT ZONING IS APPROPRIATE FOR THAT AREA REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY WANT TO BUILD ON IT. 
          BUT YOU WATCH CITY COUNCIL LAST NIGHT IN THAT APARTMENT COMPLEX, THEY GOT BOGGED DOWN ON THE SAME THING WE DID. 
          THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT ACCESS AND ALL THOSE THINGS THAT ARE APPLICABLE TO THE PROJECT, NOT THE ZONING. 
          WHEN WE CONSIDERED THE, UH, CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS PUMPS, WE GOT HUNG UP ON ACCESS AND LIGHTING AND WE GOT, WE, YOU KNOW, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE PROJECT NOT, WELL OF COURSE SUVS. 
          IT REALLY IS ABOUT THE PROJECT, BUT WE GET, WE GET BOGGED DOWN AND IT IS BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE PROCESS IS SET UP. 
          UM, AND, AND EVEN I, YOU KNOW, I KNOW BETTER, BUT WE GET BOGGED DOWN IN THE WEEDS. 
          AND, AND THE PROBLEM HERE IS YOU GET AN SUP THAT COMES IN WHERE WE USED TO BE ABLE BE, YOU KNOW, TO SEE A SITE PLAN THAT MIGHT HAVE SATISFIED MY PARTICULAR OBJECTION TO A PROJECT IS NO LONGER REQUIRED. 
          ALL OF THAT NOW HAPPENS AFTER THE FACT. 
          AND, UM, SOME OF IT IS JUST DEALING WITH CHANGE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DELEGATED ALL OF THAT STUFF TO STAFF. 
          THEY, YOU KNOW, WE USED TO DO SITE, YOU KNOW, EVEN JUST REGULAR SITE PLANS USED TO COME TO PLANNING AND ZONING, NOT JUST THE SUP ONES. 
          THEY ALL CAME TO US. 
          UM, WE DELEGATED THAT TO THEM. 
          AND SO PART OF THE PART OF IT IS THAT WE WANT ALL THESE ANSWERS AND YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT A A HUNDRED UPSET RESIDENTS SITTING OUT THERE, UH, YOU KNOW, GLARING DAGGERS AT YOU AND, AND THEY ALL WANT ANSWERS. 
          AND THE PROBLEM IS THOSE ANSWERS DON'T COME AT THIS PARTICULAR PART OF THE PROCESS. 
          THEY COME LATER. 
          WELL, WE DON'T HAVE ANY INPUT AT THAT POINT. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE ANY INPUT AT THAT POINT. 
          IT'S ALL THESE GUYS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO I THINK, I THINK SOME, IT'S CHANGED, YOU KNOW, SOME OF US JUST HAVE A, YOU KNOW, UH, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GET AROUND THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU'VE HEARD ME A COUPLE OF TIMES TRY TO STEER US BACK ONTO ON THE TRACK. 
          SO, UM, NOW I'VE EVEN LOST TRACK OF WHERE I WAS GOING. 
          UM, I I, I GUESS WE HAVE TO HAVE A, UH, AND, AND THAT WAS MY QUESTION ABOUT THE, THE, THE FENCING AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. 
          IT'S SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE PROCESS. 
          IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE DOING AWAY WITH IT ALL TOGETHER, IT'S STILL, BUT IT'S PART OF A PRO DOWNSTREAM PROCESS. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT, AND THAT SOMETIMES IS, IS THE, THE DIFFICULTY. 
          RICHARD, THANK YOU. 
          JUST A SIDE NOTE, I'D LIKE TO GET SITE PLANS BACK, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT OUGHT HAPPEN. 
          UM, I THINK THE, THE PROPOSED CHANGES GIVES US THE LEEWAY TO INCLUDE EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE TAKING OUT OF YOUR PROPOSED CHANGES. 
          UH, WE HAVE THE LEEWAY TO DISCUSS THINGS LIKE NOISE AND, AND ODORS AND TRAFFIC AND ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. 
          AND WE STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO OBJECT OR, OR BE IN FAVOR OF THOSE THINGS. 
          SO, UH, I KIND OF AGREE WITH WHAT ROD WAS TALKING ABOUT IT. 
          WE HAVE LEEWAY NOW, WHICH IS, WHICH IS GOOD WITHOUT BEING BOGGED DOWN IN ALL KIND OF DIFFERENT SPECIFICS. 
          BUT, UH, WE TALKED, YOU, YOU WERE TALKING BRIEFLY ABOUT ZONING AND, AND ZONING GETS BOGGED DOWN AND THE ACTUAL BUSINESS THAT'S GONNA BE PROPOSED IN THE ZONING CATEGORY, AND THAT GETS US BOGGED DOWN AND SIDETRACKED AND CAUSES 
          [01:35:01]
HOUR LONG MEETINGS, SU PER SU SUPPOSE, UH, I'LL JUST ASK THE QUESTION TO STAFF, DO WE NEED, OR WOULD IT BE BENEFICIAL TO US TO CREATE MORE ZONING DISTRICTS AND CREATE A ZONING DISTRICT AND YOU KNOW, HAVE A GB THAT HAS NICE UNOBTRUSIVE STUFF AND HAVE A GB, SOMETHING ELSE THAT HAS GAS STATIONS, AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR, NOISE, CLANGING, STINKY STUFF. 
          YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE NEED TO HAVE MORE ZONING CATEGORIES. 
          SO IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO DO SOMETHING CLOSE TO A NEIGHBORHOOD, WE KNOW RIGHT AWAY FROM THE ZONING THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING WHETHER IT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING GOOD OR SOMETHING INTRUSIVE OR SOMETHING KIND OF NEUTRAL. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT IS A CONVERSATION WE CAN HAVE. 
          UM, AND ALSO A GOOD SEGUE TO THE NEXT YEAH. 
          , UH, APPLICATION. 
          BUT YEAH, SO JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. 
          MAYBE WE NEED SOME MORE ZONING CATEGORY. 
          YEAH. 
          OTHERWISE, I, I LIKE WHAT YOU'VE DONE. 
          SO YOU'RE CONFIDENT AND EMILY AND DAISY, AND I'M SORRY, I WILLIAM YEAH, I'LL LEARN HIS NAME ONE OF THESE DAYS. 
          YOU FOLKS ARE CONFIDENT THAT BY SKINNING THESE THINGS DOWN, WE'RE NOT GIVING ANYTHING, WE'RE NOT GIVING UP ANYTHING WE WE'RE, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          , ANYBODY ELSE? I DO HAVE A QUESTION. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          SO LIKE FOR INSTANCE NUMBER FOUR, THE PROPOSED USE WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT. 
          WHY NOT MAKE IT LIKE, PROMOTE? WHY? BECAUSE IT JUST, FOR ME, IT'S LIKE SETTING THE BAR AT THE BARE MINIMUM. 
          WHEN YOU SAY NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT, BUT THERE'S A REASON TO IT. 
          YEAH, BECAUSE I THINK THE, SO I I MEAN WE COULD, I'LL SAY THIS, WE COULD PUT PROMOTE IN THERE IF YOU THINK THAT THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. 
          I I THINK THAT THE ADVERSELY EFFECTING IS SPECIFICALLY SPEAKS TO THE SUP PROCESS AND THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS TO ENSURE THAT WHERE THIS IS GOING IS NOT GOING TO ADVERSELY AFFECT, YOU KNOW, OTHER PEOPLE. 
          RIGHT. 
          THIS, THIS, THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT ALMOST HAS THAT CONNOTATION OF LIKE, OKAY, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A TRICKY USE. 
          WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, AFFECTING ANYBODY IN A BAD WAY. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK, DANIELLE, I HEARD A COUPLE OF I AGREES DOWN HERE. 
          SO . 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY, ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          UH, WE CAN RECOMMEND APPROVAL DENIAL, OR WE CAN RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH CHANGES OR WE CAN SEND THEM ALL BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND DO IT AGAIN. 
          SO WHATEVER IS YOUR PLEASURE. 
          I'LL, UH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE PL UDC 2 0 2 4 1 95 AS PRESENTED OR RECOMMEND APPROVAL. 
          IF I DIDN'T SAY THAT. 
          SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PL UDC 2 24 0 1. 
          I GOTTA MAKE SURE I GET THE RIGHT 1 0 1 9 5 FROM, UM, COMMISSIONER WALLACE, THE SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER GOLDIE. 
          CORRECT? YES. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT, PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTES. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I HAVE SIX VOTES IF YOU WOULD, UH, PUBLISH THAT PLEASE. 
          I HAVE SIX. 
          AYE. 
          NONE OPPOSED THAT MOTION PASSES. 
          ALRIGHT, ITEM FIVE 
          [C.  PLUDC20240186 - Conduct a public hearing, workshop and discussion and possible action to make a recommendation on amendments to Part III of the Schertz Code of Ordinances, Unified Development Code (UDC), to Article 5 - Zoning Districts and Article 10 - Parking Standards.]
C, ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING. 
          P-L-U-D-C 20 24 0 180 6 CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING WORKSHOP AND DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON AMENDMENTS TO PART THREE OF THE SHIRT'S. 
          CODE OF ORDINANCES, UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE UDC TO ARTICLE FIVE ZONING DISTRICTS AND ARTICLE 10 PARKING STANDARDS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER PL UDC 2 0 2 4 0 180 6 UDC AMENDMENTS TO ARTICLE FIVE AND ARTICLE 10. 
          SAMUEL HAAS, SENIOR PLANNER. 
          SO TRADITIONALLY IN SHIRTS, WE TYPICALLY GET TWO PRODUCTS IN THE CITY WHEN IT COMES TO HOUSING. 
          WE GET A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOME AND WE ALSO GET APARTMENT BLOCKS. 
          THESE ARE BOTH FROM THE CITY OF SHIRTS BY THE WAY, BUT RECENTLY THERE'S BEEN TRENDS IN DEVELOPMENT THAT CALL FOR A LOWER DENSITY DISPERSED KIND OF TOWN HOMEY 
          [01:40:01]
STYLE, UH, DEVELOPMENTS, THEY'RE MULTIFAMILY IN FUNCTION, WHAT YOU COMMONLY IS REFERRED TO AS BUILD TO RENT. 
          UH, AND RIGHT NOW IN THE CITY, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING THAT CAN CAPTURE THIS SORT OF MARKET. 
          AND I'LL BRING UP AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT'S CURRENTLY IN SHIRTS. 
          AND THIS IS THE SHIRT STATION. 
          PDD, THEY WENT THE PDD ROUTE BECAUSE, UH, THEY HAVE MULTIPLE USES AND THEY'RE BUILDING A ROW AND THEY'VE GOT ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THEY'RE PUTTING IN. 
          BUT WHEN WE'RE SELECTING, UH, THE PDDS, OR WHEN A APPLICANT IS APPLYING FOR A PDD, THEY HAVE TO SELECT A BASE ZONING DISTRICT. 
          AND WHAT THEY DO IS TYPICALLY THEY'LL, I'LL SHOW YOU HERE. 
          SO IN THE FRONT THEY SELECTED GENERAL BUSINESS AND THEY MADE LITTLE MODIFICATIONS HERE AND THERE, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY DID WITH IT. 
          BUT IN THE BACK, IN THIS MULTIFAMILY PIECE, THEY SELECTED R FOUR, WHICH IS 24 UNITS PER ACRE AND ALL THE STUFF THAT COMES WITH R FOUR BECAUSE WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE AN ACCURATE ZONING DISTRICT AND THEY REDUCED THE DENSITY AND THEY DID SOME OTHER THINGS TO IT AND THAT'S WHAT THEY SELECTED. 
          SIMILARLY, UH, RIGHT HERE WE HAVE THE, UH, SHIRTS, GATEWAY, PDD, AND THIS IS UP ON, UH, SCHWAB ROAD UP ON 35. 
          AND THEY DID SOMETHING SIMILAR AS WELL. 
          THEY HAD, THEY SELECTED, THEY DID A PDD, THEY DID HAD TO SELECT SOME BASE ZONING DI SO THEY DID GENERAL BUSINESS, THEY DID A TRADITIONAL R FOUR RIGHT HERE AND THEN, BUT FOR THE BACK PORTION, WHAT YOU SEE HERE IN THESE MORE LOWER DENSITY STYLE TOWN HOME PRODUCTS, THEY DIDN'T HAVE A ZONING DISTRICT TO PICK. 
          SO THEY PICKED R FOUR AGAIN. 
          AND SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE PDDS HAVE BEEN A, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW DO I SAY IN A NICE WAY, THE PDDS HAVE BEEN OFTEN A SOURCE OF, YOU KNOW, CON CONCERN AND CONFUSION AND FRICTION AND ALL THESE THINGS THAT GO ALONG WITH IT. 
          UM, WHICH IS NOT OUTSIDE THE ORDINARY FOR TYPICAL ZONING, BUT PDD ESPECIALLY. 
          AND SO WHAT STAFF, UH, IS PROPOSING IS THAT WE ALLOW FOR, YOU KNOW, APPLICANTS TO PERHAPS MAYBE SELECT A BASE ZONING DISTRICT AND GO STRAIGHT ZONING RATHER THAN DO THE PDD ROUTE, WHICH THEY CAN'T DO CURRENTLY WITH THIS BTR TREND. 
          SO STAFF IS PROPOSING TO ESTABLISH A NEW ZONING DISTRICT AND THEN ALSO MODIFY OUR EXISTING R FOUR. 
          AND SO THIS PRESENTATION WILL BE IN TWO PARTS, ESSENTIALLY. 
          SO FIRST WE'LL START WITH THE FIRST PROPOSAL, THE NEW ZONING DISTRICT ESTABLISHED PROPOSING TO CALL THIS THE MIDDLE DENSITY RESIDENTIAL R FIVE DISTRICT. 
          IT'S GONNA BE LOWER DENSITY THAN THAN OUR R FOUR DISTRICT. 
          UM, IT'S GONNA PROVIDE INCENTIVES FOR SMALLER MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS, WHICH I'LL GET INTO LATER. 
          AND THIS WILL ACTUALLY HELP US CAPTURE THOSE MARKET TRENDS, UH, AND PROVIDE A VARIETY OF HOUSING PRODUCTS IN THE CITY. 
          SO WE'LL DO THIS BY FIVE SECTIONS. 
          UH, AMENDING FIVE SECTIONS IN THE UDC. 
          UH, AND I'LL GO THROUGH THESE ONE BY ONE. 
          SO IN 21 5 2, THIS IS, UH, IN JUST A TABLE IN THE UDC THAT LISTS ALL OUR ZONING DISTRICTS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. 
          UH, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE IS NO R FIVE. 
          IT JUMPS FROM R FOUR TO R SIX. 
          DON'T KNOW WHY THAT IS, BUT IT WORKS OUT PERFECTLY FOR US. 
          SO WE JUST DECIDED TO ADD THE R FIVE AND CALL IT MIDDLE DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. 
          SO THE STATEMENT OF PURPOSE AND INTENT, THIS IS THE NARRATIVE THAT EVERY, UH, DISTRICT HAS IN THE CITY. 
          COMMERCIAL AND NON, UH, COMMERCIAL, I MEAN COMMERCIAL AND NON RE AND RESIDENTIAL, SORRY. 
          AND SO THIS IS, I'M GONNA GO THROUGH THIS JUST LINE BY LINE BECAUSE IT DO, IT IS KIND OF A LOT. 
          SO OUR FIVE DISTRICT IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE DEVELOPMENTS THAT OFFER A VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES. 
          THIS DISTRICT IS A SUITABLE TRANSITION BETWEEN SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL AND OR DENSER MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS. 
          THAT'S KIND OF ALLUDING TO WHAT, WHAT WE'RE GONNA GO INTO WITH R FOUR. 
          IT IS COMPRISED OF ATTACHED OR DETACHED RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS. 
          WHEN TRACKS IN THIS DISTRICT ARE ONE ACRE OR LESS DENSITY SHALL NOT EXCEED 16 UNITS PER ACRE. 
          AND THESE TRACKS WILL BE REQUIRED TO ADHERE TO SINGLE FAMILY SITE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS. 
          AND ARTICLE NINE, WHEN TRACKS EXCEED ONE ACRE DENSITY SHALL NOT EXCEED 12 UNITS PER GROSS ACRE. 
          AND THESE TRACKS WILL BE REQUIRED TO ADHERE TO MULTI-FAMILY SITE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS AND PROVIDE 10% OF THE TOTAL PLATTED AREA AS COMMON USABLE OPEN SPACE. 
          AND I'LL KIND OF EXPLORE THIS IN A LITTLE BIT IN A SECOND. 
          SO TO 2157, THIS IS THE, UH, DIMENSIONAL TABLE THAT, UH, HAS A LOT OF OUR MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS. 
          SO AN R FIVE, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S 10,890 SQUARE FEET AS A MINIMUM. 
          THAT IS NOT A RANDOM NUMBER, THAT IS A QUARTER OF AN ACRE. 
          THIS, UH, ENSURES THAT PEOPLE AREN'T JUST TRYING TO GAME THE SYSTEM AND MAKE LITTLE SMALL SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISIONS LIKE WE SEE ALL THE TIME. 
          AND, UH, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S NO WIDTH AND THERE'S NO DEPTH, UH, MINIMUM ON THIS. 
          BUT BY ENSURING THAT WE HAVE A QUARTER ACRE, WE KIND OF GET SOME OF THAT WIDTH AND DEPTH ALREADY. 
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UH, THE HEIGHT HEIGHT IS 35, PRETTY, PRETTY COMMON, 80% MAX IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE. 
          AND ON THE KEY, WE ADDED A KEY IN HERE THAT SAYS, UH, MINIMUM BUILDING SEPARATION IS 10 FEET. 
          THIS IS ON THE, IF YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE SIDE YARD SETBACKS ARE STILL 10 FEET IF THEY WANT TO DO LOT BY LOT. 
          BUT IF WE'RE GONNA DO THIS BIG LARGE LOT DEVELOPMENTS LIKE WE'RE SEEING IN THESE BUILD TO RENTS, WE'RE GONNA ENSURE THAT BUILDING SEPARATION IS 10 FEET AND THAT THERE'S NO HVAC UNITS OR FENCES THAT ARE WITHIN THE SEPARATION SPACE. 
          THIS IS DONE, UH, CONSULTING WITH OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT TO ENSURE THAT THOSE HVACS AND FENCES WON'T BE THERE IN 21. 
          FIVE EIGHT. 
          PRETTY STANDARD RESIDENTIAL USES, UH, CHURCHES, GATED COMMUNITIES, GOLF COURSE, MULTIFAMILY DWELLING, SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING PARK SCHOOL, TWO FAMILY. 
          THESE ARE ALL IN, IN OTHER DISTRICTS. 
          ESSENTIALLY JUST OUR STANDARD RESIDENTIAL USES IN THE PARKING SECTION 21 5 10. 
          UH, WE SEE HERE THAT THE MIDDLE DENSITY HOUSING TYPES, THIS IS, GOES BACK INTO THAT ONE ACRE AND, AND LESS AND OVER. 
          SO FOR ONE ACRE OR LESS, ONE SPACE PER UNIT FOR TRACKS EXCEEDING ONE ACRE, TWO SPACES PER UNIT. 
          SO GETTING INTO THE ONE ACRE OR LESS STAFF FELT THAT WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE OR PROVIDE SPACE FOR SMALLER DEVELOPMENTS TO COME IN. 
          AND BY DOING THAT, HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF BONUSES, IF YOU WILL, FOR THESE SMALLER DEVELOPMENTS. 
          SO IF YOU ARE COMING IN, MAYBE YOU'VE GOT A SMALL, SMALL LOT LESS THAN AN ACRE. 
          THE DENSITY IS 16 UNITS PER ACRE WITH A QUARTER LOT WITH A QUARTER ACRE LOT MINIMUM. 
          SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A MULTIFAMILY UNIT, HOUSING PRODUCT OR UNIT WITH FOUR TO 16 UNITS, UH, ONE PARKING SPACE REQUIRED. 
          THAT'S PART OF THAT BONUS. 
          UH, YOU ARE REQUIRED TO ADHERE TO THE SINGLE FAMILY SITE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS. 
          SO THERE'S STILL SOME SMALL LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS, UH, SOME TREES, SOME VEGETATION, BUT THERE IS NO 20 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY. 
          THERE IS NO LANDSCAPE BUFFER NEXT TO SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS SINCE THESE ARE SMALLER IN NATURE ANYWAY. 
          NO EIGHT FOOT MASONRY WALL NEXT TO SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS AND TWO TREES PER LOT VERSUS NINE TREES PER ACRE, WHICH IS HOW WE DO IT IN THE, UH, MULTIFAMILY. 
          SO WHAT DID THIS, WHAT WOULD THIS LOOK LIKE? RIGHT? YOU KNOW, AGAIN, INSTEAD OF WE, THE REASON THAT WE'RE THE STAFF IS TRYING TO ENCOURAGE THIS IS BECAUSE OFTEN WE SEE DEVELOPERS COME IN AND THEY PUT 200 UNITS DOWN RIGHT NEXT TO A SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION AND YOU KNOW, AND IT'S ALWAYS A DEVELOPER THAT'S FROM OUT OF TOWN WITH DEEP POCKETS. 
          BUT WHAT IF WE CAN GET SOME NEEDED HOUSING WITH SOME MORE LOCAL DEVELOPMENT? YOU KNOW, AND MAYBE YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUILD 24 UNITS AN ACRE. 
          YOU CAN BUILD A FOURPLEX, YOU COULD BUILD AN EIGHT PLEX OR FOR AN ACRE YOU COULD BUILD 16 UNITS. 
          NOW I KNOW THAT BUILDING LOOKS A LITTLE SCARY, BUT WE STILL HAVE HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS IN THE CITY, SO YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY GO THIS TALL. 
          BUT THIS IS JUST TO KIND OF DEMONSTRATE WHAT A 16 UNIT COMPLEX MIGHT LOOK LIKE. 
          AND SO STAFF GOT WITH GIS OUR, OUR GIS DEPARTMENT TO KIND OF SHOW ALL THE PARCELS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THE CITY THAT ARE BETWEEN A QUARTER ACRE AND AN ACRE. 
          SO THIS IS WHERE POTENTIALLY HYPOTHETICALLY THESE DEVELOPMENTS COULD GO TODAY, RIGHT? IF YOU WERE TO GO AND REZONE THESE PARCELS TO R FIVE AND YOU KIND OF SEE THAT IT'S, IT'S DISPERSED ALL OVER THE CITY. 
          IT'S NOT CONCENTRATED IN ONE AREA. 
          SO YOU, YOU HAVE SOME OVER HERE AND LIKE THE ECKERD ROAD AREA, YOU HAVE SOME A LOT OVER HERE AND OFF OF UM, F OR SHIRTS PARK AREA AND, AND THEN FM 3 0 9 RIGHT HERE, SOME BACK HERE IN THIS AREA IN THE MIDDLE OF SHIRTS. 
          A LOT OF IT'S GOING DOWN FM 3 0 0 9, A LOT ON 78 AS WELL. 
          AND THEN GOING DOWN IN THE SOUTH SHIRTS YOU'LL SEE THAT A LOT OF THIS IS DOWN 15, 18 SCHAFFER, LOWER SINE, STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          SO JUST TO KIND OF DEMONSTRATE THAT THIS KIND OF HOUSING COULD BE DISPERSED ALL OVER THE CITY NECESSARILY DOESN'T HAVE TO BE CONCENTRATED IN ONE AREA FOR THE OVER ONE ACRE. 
          IT'S ACTUALLY PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. 
          IT'S 12 UNITS PER ACRE, TWO PARKING SPACE PER UNIT, AND YOU'RE REQUIRED TO ADHERE TO ALL MULTIFAMILY DESIGN REQUIREMENTS AND NOTHING REALLY CRAZY THERE. 
          AND IF YOU'RE WONDERING WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE, WELL IT'S ALREADY IN SHIRTS RIGHT NOW, THIS IS SHIRT STATION. 
          THEIR PDD STATES THAT THIS IS 12 UNITS PER ACRE. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE ARE GOING WITH HERE. 
          AND FOR SHIRTS GATEWAY, THEIRS IS 10 UNITS PER ACRE. 
          SO WE KIND OF ALREADY HAVE, WE WE'RE ALREADY NOTICING THIS PRODUCT COMING INTO THE CITY AS AS IT IS. 
          SO PROPOSAL NUMBER TWO, MODIFYING THE EXISTING MULTIFAMILY R FOUR DISTRICT. 
          WE WANT TO GO DENSER, WE WANNA GO 
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TALLER. 
          I KNOW THAT'S SCARY, BUT WE WANNA BE MORE SELECTIVE WITH THE APPROPRIATENESS OF LOCATION. 
          SO WE START WITH MODIFYING THE, THE NARRATIVE PORTION. 
          AND THAT'S, THERE'S A LOT THERE. 
          SO I'LL JUST KIND OF CLEAN THAT UP FOR YOU THERE AND I'LL READ THIS FOR YOU. 
          R FOUR IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE DENSER APARTMENT AND MULTIFAMILY STYLE DEVELOPMENTS. 
          THIS DISTRICT IS A SUITABLE TRANSITION BETWEEN SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS AND COMMERCIAL USES. 
          'CAUSE THERE'S NOTHING INHERENTLY WRONG WITH HAVING AN APARTMENT NEXT TO SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          WE WANNA ENSURE THAT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO IMPLY THAT. 
          HOWEVER, APARTMENT MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS SHALL, SHALL NOT BE LOCATED IN AREAS WHERE THEY WOULD INCREASE TRAFFIC WITH ACCESS THROUGH SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS AND SHALL BE LOCATED ADJACENT TO ARTERIAL STREETS. 
          THE MAXIMUM DENSITY SHALL BE 35 UNITS PER ACRE WITH 20% OF THE TOTAL PLAID AREA AS COMMON OPEN SPACE. 
          SO HERE'S A COMPARISON. 
          UH, THIS IS 2157. 
          AGAIN, WE HAVE UPPED PROPOSING TO UP THE AREA SQUARE FOOTAGE TO 43,560. 
          AGAIN, THAT'S NOT A RANDOM NUMBER. 
          THAT IS ONE ACRE. 
          UH, THE MINIMUM WIDTH IS, UH, BEING UP TO 400 FEET. 
          THIS IS TO HELP ENSURE TWO POINTS OF ACCESS, WHICH IS TYPICALLY A 400 FOOT SEPARATION. 
          AND THEN WE'RE ALSO UPPING THE, THE PROPOSING THE UP THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENT TO 50 FEET. 
          NOW THE REASON WHY WE DID THIS, AND WE CHOSE THESE NUMBERS, THEY WEREN'T RANDOM. 
          WE DID SOME TARGET CITY RESEARCH. 
          WE ALWAYS LOOK AT WHAT OUR NEIGHBORS ARE DOING AND WHAT OTHER PLACES ARE DOING AROUND THE STATE. 
          UM, WE CHOSE THE, OUR DENSITY IS FAIRLY ON PAR WITH WHAT YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE DOING AROUND US. 
          UM, HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, SAN MARCUS GOES HIGHER. 
          UH, TEMPLE SAN ANTONIO OF COURSE GOES HIGHER. 
          THERE'S ACTUALLY DISTRICTS IN SAN ANTONIO THAT HAVE NO CAP ON DENSITY. 
          BUT UH, BUT YOU'LL SEE MCKINNEY GOES A LITTLE HIGHER. 
          AND THE WE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS, WE'RE ACTUALLY A LITTLE UNDER WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS DOING. 
          UH, WE'RE WE'RE SOME OF THE OTHER THAN UNIVERSAL CITY. 
          UH, WE'RE A LITTLE BIT SHORTER. 
          SO WE CHOSE THE 35 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HAS BEEN APPROVED IN SUREZ GATEWAY. 
          THAT PROJECT I SHOWED YOU EARLIER OF BY SCHWAB ROAD, UM, COUNCILS ALREADY SEEMS TO BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. 
          WE THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS THE NEXT LOGICAL STEP UP. 
          UM, AND THEN 1518 APARTMENTS, THOSE WERE APPROVED VIA PDD TO BE 45 FEET TALL. 
          THE REASON WHY STAFF IS CHOOSING 50 FEET IS TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF ARCHITECTURAL FREEDOM IF THEY NEED IT. 
          UM, AND HERE IS AN EXAMPLE OF A 51 AND A HALF FOOT BUILDING. 
          IT'S NOT SUPER SCARY, IT'S AN EXTRA STORY. 
          YES, IT'S FOUR STORIES, BUT, UH, THAT GIVEN THAT EXTRA FIVE FEET STAFF FEELS, THAT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE DECORATIVE ELEMENTS IN THE BUILDINGS. 
          AND SO IN TERMS OF PLACEMENT, THAT SENTENCE IN THE NARRATIVE THAT SAID, YOU KNOW, THEY SHALL BE LOCATED ON ARTERIAL STREETS, WHAT YOU SEE IN THE RED, THIS IS OUR MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLAN, BY THE WAY. 
          AND WHAT YOU SEE IN THE RED AND IN THE YELLOW ARE ARTERIAL STREETS. 
          SO THE RED IS THE PRIMARY PRINCIPAL ARTERIALS AND THE YELLOW IS THE SECONDARY. 
          AND SO YOU CAN KIND OF ENVISION WHERE APARTMENT COMPLEX THEY HAVE TO GO. 
          NOW THEY SHALL GO IF, IF THIS IS APPROVED. 
          SO A LONG SHIRTS PARKWAY, 3 0 0 9 SHAFER LOWER SINE. 
          THIS IS TO HELP ENSURE THAT YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT JUST GONNA SLAP DOWN SOME DENSE APARTMENTS IN SOME RANDOM NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S GOT A PARCEL FOR SALE. 
          AND THOUGH, TO SUMMARIZE ALL THESE PROPOSALS, UH, ESTABLISHING R FIVE, MINIMUM QUARTER ACRE LOTS, 12 UNITS PER ACRE, BUT THE UNDER ACRE BONUSES, UH, LESS PARKING, SINGLE FAMILY SITE REQUIREMENTS, 16 UNITS JOINING UNITS PER ACRE AND ALSO MODIFY OUR FOUR MINIMUM ACRE LOTS. 
          UH, UPPING THE DENSITY, UPPING THE HEIGHT, MINIMUM HEIGHT MAXIMUM, UM, MAKING A LITTLE BIT WIDER FOR THE LOTS, NO ACCESS THROUGH SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS AND MUST BE ADJACENT TO ARTERIAL STREETS. 
          SO CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL, 21 4 7 D THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT PROMOTES THE HEALTH, SAFETY, GENERAL WELFARE OF THE CITY OF AND THE SAFE OR EFFICIENT, HELPFUL DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY. 
          SO THE CITY, THE UDC WITH DEVELOPMENT FUNCTIONS BETTER WHEN WE PROVIDE ADEQUATE ZONING DISTRICT OPTIONS FOR APPLICANTS, UH, HAVING TO BALANCE THE DEMAND FOR HOUSING WHILE ATTEMPTING TO ALLEVIATE THE FRICTION BETWEEN ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS AND INCOMING DEVELOPMENT. 
          WE FEEL LIKE THESE, UH, AMENDMENTS DO THAT AND THEY SATISFY CRITERIA NUMBER ONE. 
          NUMBER TWO, AN AMENDMENT TO THE TEXT IS CONSISTENT WITH POL WITH OTHER POLICIES OF THIS UDC AND THE CITY. 
          SO WITH THE APPROVAL OF SHIRTZ GATEWAY, PDD AND SHIRT STATION PDD, THESE AMENDMENTS ARE ATTEMPTING TO CODIFY WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN RECENTLY ADOPTED POLICY. 
          THE STRATEGIC PLAN POLICY VALUES ALSO SAY THAT FOR A HIGH QUALITY OF LIFE, IT IS A WELL-PLANNED COMMUNITY THAT CREATES CONVENIENT 
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LIVING AND IT IS NOT LIMITED OPTIONS FOR WORK, LIVE AND PLAY. 
          SO THESE AMENDMENTS ARE CONSISTENT WITH OTHER POLICIES IN THE CITIES AND SATISFY CRITERIA NUMBER TWO. 
          SO ANY PROPOSED AMENDMENT THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES OF THIS UDC AND THE CITY. 
          SO THE UDC EXPLICITLY STRIVES TO PREVENT THE OVERCROWDING OF LAND AND THE UNDUE CONCENTRATION OR DIFFUSION OF POPULATION BY FORCING PEOPLE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS AND HIGH DENSITY APARTMENTS. 
          BASICALLY ALLOWING THE, THESE, THESE AMENDMENTS WOULD ALLOW FOR ANOTHER OPTION, RIGHT? AND ALSO HELP WITH SOME OF THAT FRICTION THAT'S THERE WITH THE CURRENT APARTMENT COMPLEX OR APARTMENT DISTRICT. 
          AND THAT KIND OF TOUCHES ON THE NEXT POINT, BULLET POINT THERE, WHICH IS THE GOAL TO MINIMIZE CONFLICTS AMONG USES OF LAND AND BUILDINGS. 
          SO PROVIDING AN IN-BETWEEN OPTION AND THEN REVISING THE R FOUR BEING MORE SELECTIVE WITH THE PLACEMENT WILL HELP AGAIN WITH THE STRATEGIC PLAN. 
          OUR OPERATIONAL VALUES OF THE CITY IS TO BE INNOVATIVE. 
          INNOVATIVE IS TR IS FINDING A BETTER WAY TO DO THINGS AND TO BE CREATIVE, WHICH IS WHAT STAFF FEELS THAT THIS PROPOSAL DOES. 
          BEING PROACTIVE, IT MEANS INITIATING CHANGE BY ANTICIPATING FUTURE SITUATIONS IN ORDER TO MAKE THINGS HAPPEN. 
          WE HAVE SOMETHING IN THE CITY THAT A PRODUCT THAT'S COMING IN STAFF IS BEING PROACTIVE TO TRY TO CAPTURE SOME OF THAT IN A THOUGHTFUL, MEANINGFUL WAY. 
          SO THESE AMENDMENTS, THE SATISFIES CRITERIA NUMBER THREE AS THESE AMENDMENTS ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE UDC AND THE CITY GOALS AND OBJECTIVES. 
          SO OTHER CRITERIA WHICH AT THE DISCRETION OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION CITY COUNCIL ARE DEEMED RELEVANT AND IMPORTANT IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING ON THIS SLIDE THIS TIME, UH, AUGUST 6TH, 2024, CITY COUNCIL HAD A WORKSHOP WITH STAFF OVER THIS COUNCIL RECEIVED THIS PROPOSAL POSITIVELY, UH, VERY LITTLE, UH, COMMENTS AND DIRECTED STAFF TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE AMENDMENT PROCESS. 
          THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY. 
          OTHER THAN THAT, THERE'S NO SPECIAL CONSIDERATION FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. 
          AND THIS PUBLIC HEARING DOES PROVIDE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO DETERMINE THIS. 
          THESE AMENDMENTS DO ALIGN WITH THE GOALS, OBJECTIONS, AND POLICY OF THE UDC AND THE CITY. 
          AND THEREFORE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF PL UDC 2 0 2 4 0 1 8 6. 
          UH, THANK YOU SAM. 
          ALRIGHT, UH, ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING. 
          IT IS 7:57 PM AND THE SAME HUGE CROWD THAT'S BEEN OUT THERE ALL NIGHT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I DON'T SEE ANYBODY WANTING TO, SO ANYWAY, WE WILL OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT AT, UM, 7 57 AND WE WILL CLOSE IT AT 7 57. 
          OKAY. 
          IF YOU WOULD BACK UP, SAM, WHICH SLIDE WAS IT? THE, UH, SITE PLAN OR THE, THE DIMENSIONS? UM, UM, I THINK GO FORWARD ONE MORE. 
          YOU WANNA SEE THE KEY? I WANT THE ONE WHERE I, I WANT THE NOTES AT THE BOTTOM 'CAUSE I WANT YOU TO WANT TELL YOU TO GET OUTTA MY HEAD. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU ANTICIPATED THAT, DIDN'T YOU? . 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND, AND THAT IS, UM, THIS IS SOMETHING I I, I DID WANT TO DISCUSS BECAUSE, UH, A COUPLE OF THEM I'VE SEEN COME IN HERE AND, UM, WHAT THEY DO PARTICULARLY, I THINK IF WE LOOK AT THAT ONE THAT'S UP THERE BEHIND, UM, OH, WHERE WAS IT? UH, UP THERE BEHIND, IS IT BEHIND SHIRT STATION? STATION? YEAH, THAT'S, THAT IS PART OF SHIRT STATION. 
          UM, NO, THERE, THERE'S ONE WHERE AT FRONT THE COMMERCIAL'S ON 35 AND THEN THEY'VE GOT SOME R FOUR AND THEN THEY GO BACK UP ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL AND THERE'S SOME MORE, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? YOU HAD A, YOU HAD A PICTURE OF IT HERE. 
          THAT'S THE GATEWAY GATEWAY. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S PROBABLY IT. 
          THAT ONE. 
          SO WHAT I SAW WHEN, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THAT, UM, WHEN WE GET INTO THE MULTI MULTI BUILDINGS HERE IN THE BACK PART IS RATHER THAN, UH, PLA THESE AS INDIVIDUAL LOTS WHERE THE SETBACKS WOULD GUARANTEE 10 FOOT SIDE SETBACKS AND ALL THAT, THEY CAME IN HERE AND THEY, THEY, THEY WANT TO PLANT THIS THING AS ONE HUGE LOT, RIGHT? AND THEN PUT, THEY'LL PUT SOME, UM, UH, I'LL CALL IT TRADITIONAL MULTIFAMILY APARTMENTS OVER HERE. 
          BUT THEN THEY WANTED TO DISPERSE SOME OF THESE, UH, ONE AND TWO OR EVEN, EVEN UH, UH, I DON'T REMEMBER IF THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT SINGLE FAMILY, BUT I KNOW THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT POSSIBLY DUPLEXES. 
          AND MY CONCERN WAS THOSE BUILDING SETBACKS APPLY TO THE WHOLE BIG LOT, NOT TO THE INDIVIDUAL BUILDINGS. 
          SO HOW DO WE, I'M 
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NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THE, WHAT I CALL TRADITIONAL R FOUR BECAUSE THOSE DON'T FALL INTO THE RESIDENTIAL CODE. 
          THOSE, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, UH, THE, THE BUILDING CODE WILL ALLOW YOU TO BUILD TWO COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS WITH NO SEPARATION IF YOU MEET CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS. 
          MY CONCERN HAS ALWAYS BEEN HOW DO WE CONTINUE TO PRESERVE THOSE BUILDING SEPARATIONS WHEN, WHEN WE'RE NOT DOING THE INDIVIDUAL LOTS. 
          UM, AND, AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT WAS THAT YOUR INTENT WITH? YEAH, ACTUALLY YES, WITH, WITH NOTE Q. 
          LET'S SEE, WHAT ELSE? WHAT ELSE DID I WRITE HERE? UM, AND I APPRECIATE THAT, THAT, UH, THANK YOU. 
          UM, AND I'M JUST HOPING THAT, THAT, UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, MY, MY CONCERN IS NOT WITH, BECAUSE ONCE YOU GET INTO THREE OR MORE UNITS, THEN YOU'RE SUBJECT TO THE BUILDING CODE, NOT THE RESIDENTIAL CODE. 
          SO, UM, BUT THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          ANYBODY ELSE? YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UM, COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. 
          IS THERE A REASON WHY CERTAIN RETAIL COMPONENTS, I UNDERSTAND THIS, I DON'T THINK THE INTENT OF THIS IS TO MAKE IT A NECESSARILY MIXED USE DISTRICT, BUT IF WE'RE LOOKING TO APPLY THIS TO PROJECTS THAT THE OVERALL GOAL IS, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A RETAIL COMPONENT AND A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT, IS THERE A REASON WHY WE'RE NOT PERMITTING CERTAIN, UM, COMMERCIAL ASPECTS IN IT AS WELL? SO STAFF HAS NOT PROPOSED THAT. 
          MM-HMM. 
           JUST 'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T TRADITIONALLY HAD THAT. 
          WE, THE ONLY DISTRICT WE HAVE IN THE CITY THAT ALLOWS THAT IS OUR MAIN STREET DISTRICT. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT'S STAFF DIDN'T PROPOSE, BUT I UNDERSTAND. 
          I MEAN LIKE A GROUND FLOOR OR RETAIL YEAH. 
          COFFEE SHOP OR SOMETHING AND THEN UNITS ABOVE IT, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          IF THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT, THEN OKAY. 
          STAFF CAN GO BACK AND, AND LOOK AT THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, 'CAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY THING JUST WORKING IN DEVELOPMENT, I THINK THAT'S ONE YOU SEE A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS. 
          I MEAN, THIS IS THE HOT TREND, UM, AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT I, THERE'S DEFINITELY A LOT OF GREAT BONES FOR ALREADY. 
          LIKE WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS EXACTLY WHAT I THINK WOULD BE INCLUDED. 
          AND ESPECIALLY WITH THE, UM, DESIGN GUIDELINES LIKE WHAT, UM, COMMISSIONER OUTLAW WAS TALKING ABOUT. 
          I JUST THINK THAT INCLUDING SOME APPROPRIATE COMMERCIAL USES WOULD ALLOW FOR YOU TO, UM, YOU KNOW, REALLY KIND OF PREEMPTIVELY LOOK AT WHAT'S BEING BUILT, WHAT'S COMING, WHAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO MIX WITH WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING. 
          AND ESPECIALLY, I MEAN, THESE BIG PDD DISTRICTS WHERE IT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY THERE, RIGHT? SO IF WE'RE LOOKING TO AVOID HAVING TO HAVE ALL THESE DIFFERENT ZONINGS, UH, WOULDN'T IT BE APPROPRIATE JUST TO INCLUDE USES THAT WE THINK WOULD BE, UM, APPROPRIATE TO GO WITH LIGHTER, I MEAN WITH, YOU KNOW, THESE, THESE DIFFERENT TYPES OF MULTIFAMILY USES, UM, AND CREATE THESE KIND OF BIGGER DISTRICT PROJECTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT? YEAH, I THINK WE'D HAVE TO KIND OF PROBABLY GO AND LOOK AT THE UDC AND MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S OTHER SECTIONS THAT SAY, 'CAUSE A LOT OF, IN OUR, IN OUR UDC IT EXPLICITLY SAYS THAT NO COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL OKAY. 
          SHALL BE ON THE SAME LOT, FOR INSTANCE. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SO THAT WOULD REQUIRE CHANGES TO THAT AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'D KIND OF HAVE TO MAYBE, YEAH, IF THE INTENT IS TO ADD SOME PERMIT, SOME COMMERCIAL PERMITTED USES TO THIS, THEN THAT WOULD REQUIRE US TO GO BACK AND KIND OF, YOU KNOW, REALLY COMB THROUGH THE UDC TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ELIMINATING THE CONFLICTS THERE. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE JUST FOR THIS SPECIFIC DISTRICT. 
          AND I THINK RIGHT NOW, THE REASON WHY WE DIDN'T DO THAT IS BECAUSE WE THOUGHT THAT THERE MIGHT BE A, A LITTLE BIT MUCH OF A LIFT YEAH. 
          RIGHT NOW. 
          AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE WE COULD ALWAYS ESTABLISH THE R FIVE YEAH. 
          AND THEN GO BACK AND SAY, HEY, LET'S, LET'S CLEAN IT UP AND PUT SOME USES IN THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY WE JUST THOUGHT WE'D, WE'D, WE'D DO BABY STEPS FIRST, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, OTHER THAN THAT, I, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. 
          JUST THAT THIS IS, UM, GREAT. 
          I THINK IT'S, I WELL ACTUALLY I DO HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION. 
          IS THERE A REASON THAT WE DIDN'T ALLOW, UM, R FOUR ALONG, UH, COLLECTORS? I, SO WHEN YOU DO COLLECTORS, THEY KIND OF GO THROUGH, I'LL JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE. 
          I'LL GO BACK, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT, BUT WHAT'S THE COUNTRY CLUB BOULEVARD, RIGHT? MM-HMM. 
          , THERE 
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WAS AN ART, BASICALLY A MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT THAT WAS PROPOSED ALONG THIS, THAT WAS THE CITIZENS VOICED A LOT OF CONCERNS, RIGHT? MM-HMM. 
           AND COUNTRY CLUB BOULEVARD IS NOT CAPABLE OF THAT KIND OF TRAFFIC. 
          THAT'S OKAY. 
          AT, AT ITS CURRENT POINT. 
          GRANTED MM-HMM. 
           WITH DEVELOPMENT IMPROVEMENTS HAPPEN. 
          BUT GIVEN THAT MOST OF THE APARTMENTS THAT COME IN ARE USUALLY HUNDREDS OF UNITS ALL AT ONCE YES. 
          STAFF FELT THAT THERE WAS PLENTY OF SPACE IN OUR ARTERIAL AREAS FOR, SO THAT INCLUDES SECONDARY ARTERIALS YES. 
          AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT'S WHY WE ALSO WENT UP IN DENSITY. 
          YEP. 
          'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA, IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE GONNA TAKE, WE WANT TO ACTUALLY GIVE A LITTLE SPACE AND PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT TOO. 
          OKAY. 
          I WAS JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WEREN'T JUST LIMITING THIS TO, UM, PRIMARIES. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST, YEAH. 
          ALL ARTERIALS SECONDARY PRINCIPLE. 
          YEP. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          SO WITH THAT CRITERIA, UM, UM, HOMESTEAD UP THERE, UM, WHERE THEY AMENDED PART OF THEIR, OF COURSE THAT'S A PDD UP THERE, ISN'T IT? CORRECT. 
          SO, UM, BUT SO IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO BUILD APARTMENTS ON ECKERD ROAD, THAT WOULDN'T FIT THE NEW CRITERIA, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, WITH MR. WALLACE WAS TALKING ABOUT, I THINK, UM, PART OF THE ALLOWING OTHER USES IS, IS WHAT, WHAT REALLY IS THE INTENT OF THE R FIVE AND PART OF IT IS, IS TO ALLOW SMALL DEVELOPMENT AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT AN ACRE OR MAYBE TWO ACRES, YOU KNOW, IN MY MIND, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S FEASIBLE TO, TO INCLUDE RETAIL, BUT THEY WOULD ALWAYS HAVE THE OPTION OF, OF TRYING TO DO IT TO, TO DO A PDD WITH A BASE R FIVE. 
          THEY COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT IF THEY WANTED TO. 
          CORRECT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SO IF I UNDERSTOOD YOU CORRECTLY RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY, WELL YOU SEE SOMEWHAT UP IN AUSTIN AREA AND OF COURSE, UH, DOWNTOWN SAN ANTONIO RIGHT NOW IN SHIRTS, WE, WE DON'T ALLOW THIS AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CALL IT, BUT WHERE THE GROUND FLOOR IS RETAIL, COMMERCIAL, AND THEN THEY'RE RESIDENTIAL ABOVE IT. 
          WE DON'T, WE DON'T ALLOW THAT RIGHT NOW, NOW, CORRECT. 
          OH YEAH. 
          CURRENTLY ONLY ON MAIN STREET. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE I REMEMBER WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY BUILT THIS, AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW, IT'S BEEN SO LONG SINCE I'VE BEEN IN IT, BUT WHEN WE BUILT THIS FIRST THREE STORY MINI STORAGE UP HERE AT 35 AND, AND 3 0 0 9, UH, THERE WAS AN APARTMENT IN IT AND THAT WAS, UH, I DON'T REMEMBER HOW WE DID THAT, BUT YEAH, THAT REQUIRED SOME SPECIAL, UM, SOME SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS IF I REMEMBER RIGHT. 
          AND AGAIN, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT'S STILL THERE, IF THEY STILL DO THAT. 
          RICHARD, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? YEAH, BACK ON THE GATEWAY PROJECT. 
          DOES THAT, DOES BEING A SORT OF ADJACENT TO 35, DOES THAT QUALIFY AS BEING NEXT TO AN ARTERIO? SO, NO, IT, IT WOULD NOT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE WAY THAT WE, THAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS THAT YOU HAVE TO BE ADJACENT TO, SO AN ARTERIAL WITH THE INCREASE IN THE HEIGHT STANDARDS AND THE REQUIREMENT TO BE ADJACENT TO AN ARTERIAL, WE CAN HAVE 50 FOOT TALL STRUCTURES POPPING UP ALONG, AND I'LL JUST USE 3 0 0 9 AND CHURCH PARKWAY, 50 FOOT TALL STRUCTURES DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T LIKE THAT. 
          BUT THE WAY THAT THE CODE IS WRITTEN IS THAT THAT 50 FOOT TALL STRUCTURE CANNOT HAVE ACCESS THROUGH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THE WAY THAT WE'RE PROPOSING IT. 
          AND SO, BUT, BUT YOU'LL HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNIT AND THEN DIRECTLY BEHIND, ACROSS THE FENCE WILL BE A FOUR STORY MULTI-FAMILY UNIT. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, THERE IS, AS WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER AND THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL, THERE'S ALSO PLENTY OF LATITUDE FOR THE COMMISSION AND FOR COUNSELORS AND FOR STAFF TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THAT IS AN APPROPRIATE LOCATION. 
          SURE. 
          IT SATISFIES THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS, BUT THEN THERE'S OTHER, THERE'S OTHER LEEWAY IN THE CITY FOR US TO MAKE OUR DETERMINATION OR ANALYSIS. 
          BUT WE, WE'VE HAD A, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF HEATED DISCUSSION IN THIS ROOM BEFORE WITH APARTMENT COMPLEXES GOING UP AGAINST RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS ALONG 3 0 0 9. 
          RIGHT. 
          I DON'T REMEMBER ANY ON CHURCH PARKWAY. 
          NO. 
          BUT ON 3009. 
          AND I, I THINK BY ADOPTING THIS, THE CHANGES THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING TODAY, I, I THINK IT'S GONNA BECOME A MORE INTENSE DISCUSSION BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE 
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ALLOWING, YOU KNOW, UP THE, UH, SMALLEST QUARTER ACRE UNITS. 
          AND SO WE CAN HAVE MULTI-FAMILY UNITS PROLIFERATE UP AND DOWN 3 0 0 9 IN CHURCH PARKWAY ADJACENT TO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, UH, BECAUSE OF THE SMALLER LOT REQUIREMENTS. 
          SO, BUT THAT WOULD BE R FIVE, NOT R FOUR. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THAT'S A 35 FOOT, YEAH, THE R HALF, THE R FIVE WOULD STILL HAVE THE 35 MINIMUM. 
          AND, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, OTHER THAN WHERE WE'VE ALREADY, UH, OR COUNCIL'S ALREADY APPROVED, THERE'S SOME R FOUR FOR, UH, SUBMITTED PROJECTS. 
          THERE IS, THERE IS NOTHING IN THE CITY THAT IS ZONED R FOUR SITTING THERE WAITING FOR SOME NEW DEVELOPER TO COME IN AND PUT UP AN APARTMENT COMPLEX. 
          SO ANYTHING, UM, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO BUILD R FOUR, UH, BEHIND YOU THERE ON CHURCH PARKWAY, WELL, THAT'S NOT ZONED R FOUR. 
          IT WOULD HAVE TO BE REZONED AND CORRECT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO GETTING BACK AGAIN, AND I HATE TO KEEP PICKING ON 'EM, BUT GATEWAY SEEMS TO BE A, A, A, A GOOD EXAMPLE, OR, OR AT LEAST A GOOD PICTURE TO LOOK AT. 
          UM, IF YOU GO TO THE DRAWING WITH, UH, YEAH. 
          RIGHT THERE. 
          SO IF THEY WERE TO COME IN WITH THIS PROJECT TODAY, THAT BACK PART COULD NOT, WOULD NOT FIT THE CRITERIA FOR R FOUR CORRECT. 
          BECAUSE IT TAKES ACCESS THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION, BUT IT COULD BE R FIVE. 
          CORRECT. 
          R FIVE CAN COME THROUGH. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          DID YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING? I WAS JUST GONNA CLARIFY THAT THERE IS ONE PROPERTY IN THE CITY THAT'S ZONED R FOUR THAT DOES NOT HAVE AN ACTIVE APARTMENT COMPLEX ON IT, BUT IT IS ZONED FOR R FOUR AND COULD BE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX DOWN ON 1518. 
          SO THERE ARE SOME IN THE CITY THAT, THAT AREN'T DEVELOPED YET. 
          ALL THE WAY DOWN THERE, ALMOST TO 10 TO 10, RIGHT NEXT TO HALLEY'S, HALLEY'S COVE OR WHATEVER. 
          RIGHT. 
          WELL, THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, Y'ALL GO AHEAD. 
          WELL, FIRST I WANTED TO SAY, LIKE, I THINK THIS IS A REALLY GOOD IDEA. 
          UM, BUT, UM, YEAH, I, I ALSO WANTED TO BRING UP THE 50 FOOT. 
          IT SEEMS A LITTLE EXCESSIVE, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE TALK SO MUCH ABOUT SHIRTS IN THE SMALL TOWN FEEL THAT WOULD TAKE AWAY FROM IT. 
          UM, UNLESS IT WOULD BE LIKE A PUSH FOR DEVELOPERS TO DO THAT, OUR FIVE, THEN, THEN THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE, I GUESS. 
          UM, BUT THEN OKAY, JUST LIKE THINKING OUT LOUD, UM, THE SHOP'S IDEA TO KEEP THAT SMALL TOWN FEEL, I CAN SEE TAKING THOSE R LIKE THE 50 FOOT R FOUR AND PUTTING SHOPS ON THOSE JUST TO BE DIFFERENT, BUT ALSO KEEP, I DON'T KNOW, LIKE I SAID, JUST THINKING OUT LOUD, THROWING IT OUT THERE. 
          SURE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, THE REASON WHY WE CHOSE 50 FEET, 'CAUSE 45 IS THE STANDARD, OR IS PRETTY COMMON AROUND HERE. 
          UH, SO WE THOUGHT 35 WAS A LITTLE TOO RESTRICTED, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE GOING UP IN DENSITY, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT WOULD BE JUST PLAYING DEVIL'S ADVOCATE HERE. 
          IF IF YOU'RE, YOU'RE ALLOWING MORE UNITS, BUT YOU'RE STILL SQUASHING IT DOWN A FLOOR, YOU KNOW, YOU, IT MIGHT NEGATE THE FACT THAT THE DENSITY HAS GONE UP ANYWAY. 
          BUT, UH, IF 50 SEEMS TOO MUCH AND 45 SEEMS MORE DIGESTIBLE, WE COULD ALSO CHANGE IT. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S SPACE HERE. 
          WE JUST THOUGHT THAT THAT ADDED FIVE FEET ALLOWED DEVELOPERS TO MAKE THE BUILDINGS PRETTIER. 
          SO, SO JUST TO CLARIFY ON THAT, THE 50 FEET, I MEAN, THAT'S NOT AN ADDITIONAL FLOOR. 
          WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT AN ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, 45 FEET IS, WOULD BE FOUR STORIES. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND THESE AREAS ARE REALISTICALLY INTENDED TO BE USED ALONG THE HIGHWAY, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          AND YOU KNOW, THAT THAT EXTRA FIVE FEET WOULD ALLOW 'EM TO DO A PARAPET WALL AND MAYBE SCREEN SOME OF THE, THE ROOFTOP STRUCTURES AND, AND THING AND JUST MAKE THE FIREFIGHTERS JOB THAT MUCH HARDER. 
          BUT ANYWAY, . 
          RODERICK, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING? UH, A COUPLE THINGS. 
          UM, FIRST, I, I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLY, UH, THANK STAFF FOR THE INTENTIONALITY OF THIS. 
          UH, I, I THINK IT'S AMAZING, UH, CERTAINLY THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX FOR STANDARD OR WHAT WE STAND OR NORMALLY WOULD SEE IN SHIRTS, UH, AND FORWARD THINKING, BECAUSE, YOU 
          [02:15:01]
KNOW, DIFFERENT PEOPLE, GEN DIFFERENT GENERATIONS WANT DIFFERENT HOUSING OPTIONS. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I WANTED TO ASK, DID FREEZE RECOMMEND SOME OF THIS IN THEIR FINAL Y YEAH, THE, WELL, THE COMP PLAN TALKS ABOUT PROMOTING AS A LONG RANGE VISION AREAS OF TOWN THAT COULD BE A LITTLE MORE WALKABLE AND A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO GET AROUND WITHOUT DRIVING. 
          AND I THINK THE REASON WHY THEY PROPOSE THAT IS BECAUSE ONE OF THE MAIN, YOU KNOW, ISSUES IN THIS TOWN IS TRAFFIC. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND SO IF YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, CREATE A DEVELOPMENT PATTERN THAT HAS, LIKE WE'RE SEEING ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW MM-HMM. 
           OPPORTUNITIES FOR OUR RESIDENTS TO JUST, YOU KNOW, WALK TO WHEREVER, THEN, YOU KNOW, THAT IS ONE OF THE LONG RANGE GOALS FOR THE COMP PLAN. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND, AND STAFF FEELS LIKE THIS IS ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WE CAN SLOWLY GET THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND THAT'S A PERFECT SEGUE INTO WHAT MR. WALLACE HAD MENTIONED REGARDING HAVING RETAIL ON THAT BOTTOM FLOOR TO, UH, TO MAKE IT REALLY MORE ENTICING, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE THOSE TYPES OF, UH, OPTIONS WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME IN, YOU KNOW, FROM WORKING IN AUSTIN ALL WEEKEND AND SURE. 
          PARK THEIR VEHICLE AND DON'T HAVE TO GET IN IT AGAIN UNTIL MONDAY WHEN IT'S TIME TO GO BACK, BUT THEY CAN STILL SHOP AND EAT AND, AND WALK. 
          SO, UH, SO THINKING OF BEING INTENTIONAL ABOUT THAT, I WOULD JUST HIGHLY, YOU KNOW, RECOMMEND THAT WE PUT THAT TYPE OF THOUGHT INTO, UH, THE, UH, THE ZONING PROPOSALS OR, OR DISTRICTS WE'RE PROPOSING AS, AS WELL. 
          AND, AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, LIKE I WAS SAYING TO COMMISSIONER WALLACE, IF, UH, IF, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND WE CAN KIND OF COME UP WITH SOME, SOME BIGGER CHANGES IN THE UDC THAT WOULD ALLOW THAT, AND IT, IT WOULD, WE WOULD HAVE TO KIND OF LOOK THROUGH AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT VIOLATING OTHER SECTIONS OF THE UDC TO DO THAT. 
          WE COULD DO THAT, OR WE COULD ESTABLISH THE ZONING DISTRICT AND WE, WITH THE IDEA THAT WE CAN COME BACK IN AND THEN MAYBE AT A LATER DATE LOOK TO DO SOME OF THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          I JUST, UH, THAT LATER DATE OR A LATER YEAR, WHAT GOTCHA. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, UH, I MEAN, IF, IF THERE'S AN APPETITE FOR IT, YOU KNOW, I JUST, UH, WOULD SAY, UH, AT LEAST LOOK INTO IT. 
          I DON'T, YOU KNOW, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WAS PROPOSED IS, UH, IS PRETTY AMAZING. 
          UH, CERTAINLY FORWARD THINKING. 
          I, I THINK, AND I THINK WE NEED IT QUITE HONESTLY. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE Y'ALL LOOK AT WHAT'S AVAILABLE AS FAR AS LAND, UH, WHETHER IT'S IN SOUTH SHIRTS OR ALONG, UH, 35. 
          BUT, UH, IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY, I, I MEAN, I WOULD HIGHLY, UH, RECOMMEND LOOKING INTO IT, AT LEAST ON AN EVALUATION. 
          UH, WE CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, AS, UH, MR. RICHARD IDENTIFIED, I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT A 50 FOOT STRUCTURE RIGHT ACROSS FROM A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND I GUESS IF WE'RE BEING INTENTIONAL ABOUT IT, AS LONG AS WE, I GUESS, UH, CODIFIED WHERE WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO, TO BE INTENTIONAL ABOUT WHAT WE APPROVE OR DON'T APPROVE, YOU KNOW, THEN IT'S FINE. 
          BUT, UH, I JUST WANTED TO, TO THANK YOU AND STAFF FOR, UH, FOR LOOKING INTO THIS. 
          I, I THINK IT'S A HUGE STEP FORWARD. 
          AND I WOULD JUST SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT THERE'VE BEEN PEOPLE THAT HAVE LIVED IN CHURCHS FOR A WHILE, UH, AND MAY NOT WANT IT TO CHANGE, BUT IT'S, IT'S GONNA HAPPEN, RIGHT? UH, AND TO BE INTENTIONAL ABOUT IT, AT LEAST, UH, LETS PEOPLE KNOW THAT UNLESS THE RESIDENTS KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME THOUGHT PUT INTO IT, AND THIS IS WHAT WE ULTIMATELY WANT OUR CITY TO LOOK LIKE, TO BE LIKE TO BE ABOUT. 
          SO, UH, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT, BUT THANK YOU. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          ARE, ARE THERE DEVELOPERS ALREADY IN PLACE THAT HAVE ASKED FOR THIS TYPE OF R FIVE? UH, SO WE'VE HAD SOME PEOPLE 
          [02:20:01]
EXPLORING IT A LITTLE BIT AND ASKING QUESTIONS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UM, NOT SO MUCH SPECIFICALLY LIKE, HEY, WHEN'S THAT COMING IN? BUT I HAVE A 10 TO 12 UNIT PER ACRE PRODUCT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IN SHIRTS AND, YOU KNOW, SO YEAH, THERE'S BEEN, AND I THINK THE TREND, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, IS THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE WANTING TO DO THESE BUILD TO RENT COMPLEXES, AND IT'S A WAY TO HAVE ALL THE PERKS OF, IT'S LIKE THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS. 
          YOU CAN HAVE THE FEEL OF LIKE YOUR OWN HOUSE, BUT YOU STILL HAVE A GARDENER COMING IN AND MOWING ALL YOUR GRASS AND TAKING CARE OF YOUR BUSHES AND STUFF, SO, RIGHT. 
          SO YEAH, IT, IT SEEMS TO BE THAT THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF STUFF IS GOING. 
          SO IT DEFINITELY IS. 
          YOU, YOU SEE THAT TYPE OF HOUSING IN SAN ANTONIO AND SOME OTHER PLACES. 
          I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA TO, TO HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY. 
          AND I LIKE THE IDEA OF BEING ABLE TO SEE WHERE THESE LOTS ARE AVAILABLE THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND SEEING SOME OF THOSE THINGS DISPERSED THROUGHOUT, I THINK IS FAVORABLE. 
          AND WITH THE CURRENT HOUSING MARKET, THERE'S DEFINITELY A PLACE FOR A BILL TO RENT TYPE SITUATION. 
          AND I KNOW THE YOUNG, YOUNGER PEOPLE MORE AND MORE ARE WANTING A NICE PLACE TO RENT. 
          THEY FEEL LIKE I HAVE FOUR ADULT CHILDREN, THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE NEVER GONNA BE ABLE TO BUY IN OUR ECONOMY. 
          SO THERE'S DEFINITELY A PLACE FOR THIS TYPE OF HOUSING. 
          I'M EXCITED TO SEE IT. 
          BUT I ALSO AGREE WITH, UH, MR. WALLACE AS WELL. 
          IF YOU EVER GO TO LIKE, FRISCO, PLANO, SOME OF THOSE PLACES, THEY HAVE THE RETAIL BELOW. 
          OF COURSE, THIS IS FORWARD THINKING A FEW YEARS FROM NOW, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SHIRTS EVENTUALLY BE THERE. 
          'CAUSE I KNOW THAT YOUNGER GENERATIONS, I SAY THAT BECAUSE I'M GETTING OLDER , THEY LIKE THAT IDEA OF JUST GOING DOWNSTAIRS, GRABBING A COFFEE, YOU KNOW, OR JUST BEING ABLE TO, TO WALK AND SHOP AND, UM, HAVING EVERYTHING RIGHT THERE AND WITHOUT THE MAINTENANCE OF THE GRASS AND, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, WASHING THE CAR, I MEAN, WHATEVER IT IS, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY WANT THAT KIND OF, UM, MULTIFAMILY, UM, LOWER MAINTENANCE OR NOT HAVING TO BE AS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE EXTERIOR. 
          BUT I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S DEFINITELY A MARKET FOR IT. 
          AND IT'S EXCITING TO SEE. 
          AND I WOULD LOVE TO BE ONE OF THESE DEVELOPERS TO BUILD ONE OF THESE FOURPLEXES AND MAYBE HAVE MY KIDS LIVE IN ALL THOSE, UH, DIFFERENT UNITS. 
          UH, IT'S REALLY EXCITING TO SEE. 
          SO, AND THANK YOU GUYS FOR PUTTING ALL THIS TOGETHER. 
          UH, I'M SORRY. 
          GO AHEAD, MR. WALLACE. 
          OH, IT'S OKAY. 
          UM, JUST, SO, JUST FOR, YOU KNOW, WE, WE KEEP COMING BACK TO THE IDEA OF THE RETAIL COMPONENT. 
          SO LET'S SAY WE, WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL, THIS GOES TO CITY COUNCIL, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO TRY AND PROPOSE CHANGES TO SOMETHING IMMEDIATELY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          BUT IT, I THINK IT WOULD ALSO BE BENEFICIAL TO, WHILE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, TWO PROJECTS IN, WE'RE NOT NINE PROJECTS IN, 10 PROJECTS IN, AND THEN THEY'RE RETROACTIVELY, OH, WE WANT TO ADD THIS, YOU KNOW, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT, WOULD IT BE BENEFICIAL THAT WE JUST PROCEED WITH THE BASE, HOW WE HAVE IT? UM, 'CAUSE I THINK, YOU KNOW, MOST PEOPLE UP HERE CAN AGREE THAT WHAT WE HAVE IS GOOD. 
          UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, JUST START, HAVE THIS AS A WORKSHOP ITEM WITHIN, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS OR SOMETHING. 
          IS IT REALLY, MY QUESTION WAS COULD WE MAKE A UDC AMENDMENT? NOT ALMOST IMMEDIATELY, BUT YEAH, IF, IF YOU'D LIKE TO DO A WORKSHOP IN A COUPLE MONTHS, SAY NOVEMBER'S OKAY. 
          P AND Z MEETING, WE CAN, WE CAN SCHEDULE THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU COULD, YOU COULD EMAIL THE PLANNING STAFF AND WE CAN START WORKING ON THAT. 
          COOL. 
          AND WE'LL, YEAH. 
          AND WE CAN GO FROM THERE. 
          COOL. 
          YES. 
          I, IT, IT'S ITEM SIX A ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. 
          WELL, AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WEREN'T GONNA HIT A, WELL, WE'VE APPROVED THIS, WE CAN'T UPDATE THIS FOR A YEAR OR SOMETHING. 
          UM, NOT TO TRY AND RUSH IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST THE WAY THE DEVELOPMENT TRENDS MOVE, I WOULD JUST HATE FOR US TO MISS OUT ON, UM, A REALLY GREAT PROJECT WITH SOME REALLY GREAT, UM, FEATURES JUST BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T MAKE A, AN UPDATE FOR A WHILE, SO. 
          GOTCHA. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          WOULD A DEVELOPER BE ABLE TO, OR SOMEONE BE ABLE TO COME IN AND SAY, THIS IS MY VISION, THIS IS WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO. 
          IN MANY CASES WITH COMMERCIAL, UM, REAL ESTATE, IT TAKES TIME. 
          I MEAN, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THEY COULD COME IN AND SAY, THIS IS MY VISION, AS WE SAW WITH COUNTRY CLUB AND ALL THAT. 
          THAT WAS YEARS AND YEARS. 
          I MEAN, COULD SOMEBODY COME IN AND SAY, MY IDEA IS TO DO THIS RETAIL SPACE WITH LOFTS OR WHATEVER, UM, RESIDENTIAL LIVING ABOVE, UM, CAN I APPLY FOR A ZONING AND THEN WE ADDRESS IT AND SAY, OKAY, WE HAVE SOMEONE IN PLACE THAT WANTS TO DO THIS IN THIS PARTICULAR LOT, THEN, OR, OR WOULD THAT PROCESS JUST TAKE A REALLY LONG TIME TO DO AN AMENDMENT TO THE UDC? YEAH. 
          NO, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS, UH, CAN AN APPLICANT REQUEST A CORRECT. 
          THAT'S WHAT I MEANT. 
          NOT FOR AN APPLICANT. 
          YES, THEY CAN, THEY CAN, IT'S 
          [02:25:01]
IN OUR UUD C MM-HMM. 
           THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, AN APPLICANT CAN REQUEST THE REVISION AND YOU CAN MAKE THOSE SPECIFIC REVISION STAFF CAN DRAFT IT UP, MAKE OUR RECOMMENDATION, AND IT GOES TO THE SAME PROCESS THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH NOW. 
          I THINK TYPICALLY WE'RE JUST USED TO STAFF OR CITY COUNCIL OR SOMEBODY ELSE INITIATING IT. 
          BUT YEAH, YOU CAN ABSOLUTELY DO IT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, I MEAN, IT IS GOOD TO BE PROACTIVE, BUT IT COULD BE REACTIVE TO AN APPLICANT COMING IN. 
          YES, YES. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, AND AND JUST TO COUNTER THAT, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I I, I, I THINK THE COST AND THE UNCERTAINTY OF THAT, UM, I MEAN, EVEN IN THESE NORMAL ZONING CASES, YOU KNOW, LAST WEEK WHEN WE HAD THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, YOU KNOW, AM I, WHAT AM I GONNA GET OUTTA MY DEVELOPMENT? UM, YOU KNOW, I WOULD HATE, I I, I THINK IN MY MIND WHAT I'M, I SEE AS A, IF WE WAIT FOR THEM TO COME TO US, WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT PROJECTS WOULD WE LOSE OUT ON TO NEW BRAUNFELS, SAN MARCUS, UM, YOU KNOW, ANY OF THESE OTHER, UM, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR CITIES WHO MIGHT ALREADY HAVE THESE POLICIES IN PLACE. 
          UM, SO, WELL, I, I KNOW RODERICK'S GOT SOMETHING, BUT I'M GONNA JUMP IN HERE AND SAY, YOU KNOW, MY PERSONAL OPINION IS THE DEVELOPERS COME HERE, THEY COME TO CHURCH BECAUSE THEY WANT TO, AND SOMETIMES I FEEL LIKE WE GIVE THEM MORE THAN WE SHOULD. 
          UM, BUT THE PROBLEMS WE'RE FACING RIGHT NOW, PARTICULARLY WITH COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ARE, ARE, ARE NOT OUR CITY ORDINANCES. 
          IT'S, UH, UM, IT'S THE GROWTH AROUND THE H YOU KNOW, IF, IF NOBODY'S BEEN OVER THERE AT MAIN STREET AND, UH, OR 1103 IN CI VALLEY DRIVE, THAT PLACE IS EXPLODING OVER THERE. 
          UM, WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE, THERE WERE SEVERAL REALLY NICE RETAIL, BIG RETAIL PROJECTS ON THE RADAR FOR SHIRTS. 
          AND THEN THE FORUM CAME ALONG, AND THAT HAS JUST SUCKED THE LIFE OUT OF EVERYTHING. 
          AND ABOUT THE TIME THEY DIE OUT, NOW YOU GOT CREEKSIDE UP NORTH AND THEY'RE SUCKING EVERYTHING THAT WAY. 
          SO I REALLY DON'T THINK OUR POLICIES FROM REQUIREMENTS AND REGULATIONS ARE REALLY THE PROBLEM RIGHT NOW. 
          IT'S THE FACT THAT THERE'S SO MUCH GOING ON AROUND US THAT'S ALREADY ESTABLISHED. 
          I MEAN, I AM JUST OVERJOYED TO SEE 'EM MOVE IN DIRT THERE AT, WE CALL IT A SHIRT STATION, WHATEVER THAT IS UP HERE ON EAGLE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND I JUST, I WISH 'EM GOOD LUCK. 
          I, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING BECAUSE THERE'S STILL SO MUCH LEFT OPEN, UH, THERE IN, UH, AROUND SANTIKO'S. 
          BUT, UM, UH, ANYWAY, IF, IF Y'ALL DON'T MIND, RODERICK'S BEEN SITTING OVER HERE. 
          OH, NO. 
          PATIENTLY WAITING. 
          , UH, MY, MY QUESTIONS SURROUND IT. 
          UM, IF, IF R FIVE IS, UH, RECOMMENDED AND APPROVED, HOW LONG DO YOU, UH, THINK IT WOULD TAKE BEFORE IT'S PART YEAH. 
          PART OF THE CHANGE, I SHOULD SAY, AND AVAILABLE. 
          UH, SO ARE YOU ASKING WHEN WILL IT BE ADOPTED AND AVAILABLE RIGHT. 
          FOR PEOPLE TO USE? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO, UH, SO THE SECOND, SO IF EVERYTHING GOES TO PLAN AS IS, IT'LL BE ADOPTED OCTOBER 22ND, BUT THAT'S BEST CASE SCENARIO. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THAT'S TWO MEETINGS AND FOR CITY COUNCIL. 
          UM, AND, AND IF SOMEONE HAD AN APPROVED PROJECT ALREADY IN THE CITY AND WANTED TO, TO MOVE TO THAT OR REQUEST THAT CHANGE, THEY COULD DO, SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO REQUEST THE ZONE CHANGE TO GO THROUGH LIKE THE WHOLE PROCESS. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          IT WOULD JUST BE A NEW OPTION FOR THEM TO PICK RIGHT, BASICALLY. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT, THANKS. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          CAN YOU PUT THE SLIDE UP WITH THE, THE, THE GIS MAP? YOU PUT UP THIS ONE? YEAH. 
          SO WHAT, WHAT DO THOSE REPRESENT AGAIN? SO FOR THE SMALLER DEVELOPMENTS, THE ONE THAT ARE UNDER AN ACRE AND A QUARTER ACRE OR MORE, SO BETWEEN A QUARTER ACRE AND AN ACRE, THESE ARE ALL THE PARCELS THAT ARE CURRENTLY BETWEEN THAT SIZE. 
          SO HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING, AN OWNER OF A PARCEL, FOR INSTANCE, LET'S SAY RIGHT HERE COULD GO OUT IF RI WAS AVAILABLE, REQUEST R FIVE AND PUT EIGHT UNITS THERE OR SOMETHING. 
          UM, I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO VISUALIZE WHAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD LOOK AT, LOOK LIKE WITH THESE QUARTER ACRE MULTIFAMILIES POPPING UP ALL OVER THE CITY. 
          I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, I'M TRYING TO IMAGINE WHAT 
          [02:30:01]
THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, LIKE THIS, I MEAN, I, I SEE THAT, BUT IN THE, IN THE OVERALL SCHEME OF THINGS, UH, HAVE YOU BEEN DOWN, UM, OFF PAT BOOKER? IT'S, IT'S NOT AVIATION. 
          IT'S ONE OF THOSE, IT MIGHT BE BIRD AVENUE. 
          YOU TURN LEFT, YOU'LL SEE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE ROWS OF BUILT TO RENT LIKE TOWN HOMES. 
          AND ON THE LEFT YOU'LL SEE SOME, UH, RESIDENTIALS MIXED WITH LIKE A FOURPLEX. 
          IT DOESN'T LOOK OUT OF THE ORDINARY, BUT I ENCOURAGE YOU TO KIND OF DRIVE DOWN THERE AND SEE THAT YOU SEE THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT TYPES OF, OR THREE DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSINGS RIGHT THERE. 
          THAT DOESN'T HELP , THEY WERE BUILT HELP PROBABLY IN THE SEVENTIES OR EIGHTIES. 
          SO THEY'VE BEEN AROUND, NOT THE NEW ONES. 
          THE NEW BUILD TO, UH, THE BUILD TO RENTS ARE NEW. 
          I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THAT COMMUNITY'S OPEN YET. 
          SEE IF I CAN FIND THERE. 
          IF YOU LOOK, UM, BROOKS CITY BASE HAS ONE WHERE IT'S MILITARY HOUSING, BUT IT'S JUST, UH, I MEAN A LOT OF THESE ALSO LOOK LIKE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES. 
          THEY'RE JUST SMALLER. 
          UM, I JUST, I'M TRYING TO VISUALIZE HOW THIS LOOKS, HOW IT'S, IT'S GONNA LOOK IF A BUNCH OF THESE QUARTER ACRE DEVELOPMENTS POP UP NEXT TO AND ADJACENT TO SOME OF THE LONG ESTABLISHED RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE CITY. 
          RIGHT. 
          I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE RECEIVED TOO WELL. 
          WELL, THE INTENT WAS WOULD WE RATHER A FOURPLEX POP UP OR 200 UNITS ALL AT ONCE POP UP? WELL, YOU CAN'T PUT 200 UNITS ON A QUARTER ACRE. 
          TRUE. 
          SO IF, YOU KNOW, IF THE DEVELOPER MIGHT TRY IT, IF, IF I OWN AN ACRE ON ONE OF THESE THOROUGHFARES, I COULD PUT, I COULD PUT A WHOLE BUNCH OF MULTIFAMILIES THERE. 
          AND I JUST, I JUST THINK WE'RE GONNA GET, IT'S NOT GONNA HELP THE ARGUMENT AMONGST THE POPULATION. 
          THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. 
          WELL, REAL QUICK, I I JUST TOOK A GOOD LOOK AT THE MAP AND, AND IF YOU LOOK DOWN HERE AT THE ONE YOU'VE GOT UP THERE, DOWN THERE IN THAT LOWER LEFT CORNER WHERE THAT, THAT WHOLE GROUP OF YEAH, RIGHT THERE. 
          YEP. 
          OH, IT'S DEER HAVEN. 
          YES IT IS. 
          THERE ARE HOUSES BUILT ON, THOSE AREN'T VACANT LOTS. 
          THOSE ARE HOUSES, THERE ARE HOUSES BUILT ON 'EM. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, UM, YEAH, SO I THINK WHAT, WHAT GIS WAS, WHAT THE INTENT WAS TO SHOW US WHERE THESE SIZE LOTS ARE THROUGHOUT THE CITY, BUT SO MANY OF 'EM HAVE ALREADY GOT SOMETHING BUILT ON 'EM. 
          SO, WELL, ON DEER, ON DEER HAVEN, I CAN HAVE A FIRE AND MY HOUSE BURNS DOWN, AND THEN I CAN COME IN FOR A ZONING CHANGE AND PUT IN AN APARTMENT COMPLEX OR HOW WOULD THAT FIT? I'LL BE ABSENT FOR THAT MEETING. 
          SO, YEAH, I'M, I'M JUST SAYING IT, IT'S NOT GONNA HELP ANYTHING. 
          IF THE ZONING, AGAIN, IT COMES BACK TO, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME IN AND REQUEST R FIVE ZONING AND IT'S NOT A GUARANTEE THEY WOULD GET IT. 
          EXACTLY. 
          NO. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CRITERIA THAT WE JUST WENT THROUGH FOR ZONING REQUESTS, YOU KNOW, AND IT, IT, YEAH, I, I, I JUST, UM, I JUST THINK IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT WE BE INTENTIONAL ABOUT WHAT WE WANT THE CITY TO ULTIMATELY LOOK LIKE, FEEL LIKE, BE LIKE, AND, AND BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE THAT SOMEHOW TO NOT JUST THE CITIZENS OF SHIRTS, BUT ALSO TO DEVELOPERS THAT COME HERE AND WANT TO BECOME PART OF THIS COMMUNITY. 
          RIGHT. 
          UH, WHETHER THEY LIVE IN IT OR NOT, IF THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD SOMETHING HERE, THEY'RE GONNA BECOME PART OF THE COMMUNITY IN SOME WAY. 
          AND I JUST THINK THAT FOR ME, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO ONE, BE INTENTIONAL AND THEN FOR US TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE HELP TO MANAGE AND NAVIGATE THAT. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S IT. 
          WELL, AGAIN, I, I, I WILL JUMP IN HERE AND SAY THAT VISION IS CALLED THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN. 
          AND IT USED TO, AGAIN, MY PERSONAL OPINION, IT USED TO REFLECT THE WAY WE WANTED, THE CITIZENS WANTED THE CITY TO LOOK LIKE. 
          AND I'M NOT SURE THE NEW ONE DOES, BUT THAT'S THE INTENT OF THAT PLAN IS FOR THE, YOU KNOW, TO LAY OUT THERE FOR THE DEVELOPERS. 
          THIS IS WHAT WE WANT OUR CITY TO LOOK LIKE. 
          CORRECT. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO, SO, SO MAYBE WE LOOK AT IT, RIGHT? BECAUSE WHAT'S TROUBLING IS WHEN, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE CITIZENS COME IN AND 
          [02:35:02]
ANYTHING THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN EITHER WHAT THEY HAD OR WHAT THEY'RE USED TO COMES WITH IT. 
          A LOT OF NEGATIVE CONNOTATIONS THAT QUITE HONESTLY ARE UNFOUNDED. 
          RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          UH, SO I JUST THINK THAT THE INTENTIONALITY WILL HELP, YOU KNOW, UH, MITIGATE SOME OF THAT, OR AT LEAST OPEN A DIALOGUE SO WE CAN HAVE A REAL CONVERSATION ABOUT THE WHAT AND THE WHYS. 
          SO, I MEAN, I'LL JUST LAY IT OUT THERE ON THE TABLE. 
          WHAT, WHAT I SEE COMING, IF YOU PASS R FIVE I THAT, THAT'S THE NORTH CLIFF PROJECT. 
          OKAY. 
          IT, UH, IT, IT, I MEAN, IT'S RIGHT THERE HITTING ME BETWEEN THE EYES. 
          THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT TO DO UP THERE. 
          SO, UH, IS, IS THAT NECESSARILY BAD? I MEAN, I'LL POINT OUT THAT ONE OF THE, THE CITIZENS' MAIN CONCERN WAS THAT WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO DO WAS TOO DENSE, TOO MUCH, TOO MANY UNITS, AND IT WAS 198 UNITS ON. 
          SO NO, I, AND, AND I DON'T MEAN THAT NEGATIVELY, SAM, I I'M JUST SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING UP HERE AND WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL THESE PURPLE SQUARES AND WE'RE, WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THESE THINGS POPPING UP ALL OVER THE CITY AND NO, IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. 
          IT'S GONNA BE USED WHERE THEY'VE, THEY'VE, YOU KNOW, YEAH. 
          ANYWAY, YEAH. 
          SO, UH, I THINK WE'RE JUST DOWN IN THE WEEDS GETTING WRAPPED AROUND THE AXLE ABOUT WHAT MAY HAPPEN. 
          OKAY. 
          RATHER THAN DO WE LIKE WHAT THE, DO WE LIKE WHAT STAFF HAS PUT OUT THERE OR NOT. 
          SO, AND AS MR. JAMES HAS SAID MANY TIMES, IF WE CHANGE IT AND WE DON'T LIKE IT AND IT DOESN'T WORK, WE'LL CHANGE IT AGAIN. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, SURE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ANYBODY? I, I, AND I DON'T MEAN TO SHUT EVERYBODY DOWN, BUT, UM, I, I THINK WE'VE KIND OF STRAYED OFF THE PATH HERE, BUT I, I, YOU KNOW, I WILL SAY, I, I DO LIKE, ONE OF THE POSITIVE THINGS, I THINK IS THINK IS WHAT THE R FOUR IS WHERE YOU'RE RESTRICTING THEM TO THOSE TWO PARTICULAR KINDS OF THOROUGHFARES. 
          BECAUSE I CAN THINK OF AT LEAST TWO PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN DISAPPROVED THAT WOULD NOT EVEN, THAT DON'T MEET THAT CRITERIA TO BEGIN WITH. 
          AND SO IN, IN THAT CASE, I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, YOU TALK ABOUT 50 FOOT BUILDINGS ON 3 0 9, WELL THINK ABOUT 3 0 9, WHERE COULD YOU BUILD A 50 FOOT TALL APARTMENT BUILDING OVER DOWN HERE ON THIS END? THAT'S IT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I'LL JUST, AND BY THE CHURCH. 
          AND SO THAT'S 10 FEET TALLER THAN THE ONE THAT'S ACROSS THE STREET FROM IT, BUT IT'S ALL SO DOWN. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL MENTION THAT THE GENERAL BUSINESS HEIGHT MAXIMUM IS 120 FEET TOO, THE GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT. 
          SO HOW TALL? UH, I, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY, BUT THEY'RE SEVERAL STORIES TALL. 
          I WILL TELL YOU THE HAMPTON INN AND SUITES AND, AND THE FAIRFIELD INN WERE TALL ENOUGH TO REQUIRE STANDPIPES AND I, IT, WHEN THE HAMPTON WAS BUILT, THAT WAS A KNOCKDOWN DRAG OUT FIGHT BETWEEN THE FIRE MARSHAL AND THE DEVELOPER. 
          SO IT'S 40, THAT'S A, SO THAT'S PROBABLY ABOUT 45 FEET, I THINK. 
          UM, THE, THE, IS IT THE FAIRFIELD? I ALWAYS FORGET THE NAME OF THE OTHER ONE. 
          UH, THAT ONE'S FIVE STORIES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UM, UH, YEAH, SO THAT ONE'S PROBABLY PUSHING 60, 65 FEET. 
          WE DIDN'T EVEN WANT, WE WEREN'T EVEN GONNA LET THE METHODIST CHURCH PUT A STEEPLE ON, PUT API ON TOP OF THEIR STEEPLE. 
          SO  VERY SERIOUS. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T NEED TO DRAG THAT OUT THERE, BUT, UM, THOSE THINGS, THEY, I'M SORRY. 
          THEY JUST POP INTO MY HEAD AND THEN I CAN'T CONTROL MYSELF. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANYBODY ELSE? ANY, ANY, DO WE WANT TO BEAT THIS THING UP ANYMORE? NO. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, SO ONCE AGAIN, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE, DENY, APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS. 
          UH, I MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE PL UDC 2 0 2 4 0 180 6 AS SUBMITTED SECOND FROM MS. GOT A TEAM GOING ON DOWN THERE AT TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          I HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER WALLACE, A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER GOLD DICK TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF P-L-U-D-C 2 24 0 180 6. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, 
          [02:40:01]
PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTES. 
          I HAVE SIX VOTES. 
          YOU PUBLISH THAT, PLEASE. 
          I HAVE FIVE IN FAVOR. 
          ONE OPPOSED THAT MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU, SAM. 
          ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON. 
          [A. Requests by Commissioners to place items on a future Planning and Zoning Agenda]
UH, ITEM SIX, A REQUEST BY COMMISSIONERS TO PLACE ITEMS ON A FUTURE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENDA. 
          MR. WALLACE? UH, I WOULD LIKE TO, TO ASK STAFF TO, TO LOOK INTO IF, UH, LIGHTER RETAIL USES WOULD BE APPROPRIATE IN R FIVE OR ANY OTHER, UH, RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST TO KIND OF LUMP 'EM ALL. 
          YOU NEED ANY CLARIFICATION ON THAT? YOU GOT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYBODY ELSE CAN I ADD TO THAT? 'CAUSE I THINK THAT ACTUALLY MIGHT SOLVE THE NORTH CLIFF PROBLEM TOO. 
          IF YOU HAVE SHOPS LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, THEY'RE, NEVERMIND. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE. 
          , ANYTHING ELSE? ANNOUNCEMENTS, COMMISSIONERS YOU HAVE ANYTHING ANYBODY WANT TO KNOW? STAFF, YOU HAVE ANY 
          [C. Announcements by City Staff. 	City and community events attended and to be attended.]
OH, OKAY. 
          GOODIE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I HAVE, UH, KIND OF TWO ANNOUNCEMENTS. 
          YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED SOME STAFF CHANGES HERE. 
          UM, SO THE FIRST ONE IS I GOT THE PLEASURE OF INTRODUCING OUR NEW PLANNER, WILLIAM WILLINGHAM. 
          UM, HE JOINED US LAST WEEK WAS HIS FIRST WEEK. 
          UM, HE HAS A BACHELOR'S AND MASTER'S FROM TEXAS A AND M. 
          UM, AND YOU MAY RECOGNIZE HIM FROM BACK IN 2022, HE ACTUALLY DID AN INTERNSHIP WITH PLANNING C, PLANNING COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, LOVED WORKING FOR THE CITY SO MUCH, DECIDED TO COME ON BACK AND BE A PLANNER WITH US. 
          SO WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO HAVE. 
          WILLIAM, DO YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING ELSE? HOW DO COMMISSION? HELLO. 
          WELCOME. 
          THANK Y'ALL FOR HAVING ME BACK. 
          OKAY. 
          THEY HIRED ME BACK. 
          I ENJOYED BEING HERE. 
          I GUESS I DIDN'T DO ENOUGH DAMAGE WHEN I WAS HERE, SO THEY ALLOWED ME TO COME BACK. 
          SO, BUT I'M EXCITED TO BE HERE, SO LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU GUYS. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WELL GOOD TO SEE YOU. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER THING YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED IS TIFFANY. 
          SO TIFFANY ACCEPTED A POSITION WITH S-E-U-C-I-S-D AND THEIR HR DEPARTMENT. 
          SO TIFFANY IS NO LONGER WITH THE CITY. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD NORMALLY COMMUNICATE OR ASK TIFFANY ABOUT, UM, EMAIL PLANNING@SHIRTS.COM OR YOU CAN REACH OUT DIRECTLY TO ME, UM, WHILE WE LOOK FOR A NEW ADMIN. 
          BUT WE'RE ALL REALLY EXCITED FOR, IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          INCLUDED 
          [A.  Current Projects and City Council Status Update  ]
IN YOUR, UH, UH, IN THE, UM, UH, AGENDA PACKET IS ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, INFORMATION AVAILABLE IN THE PLAN AND ZONING COMMISSION PACKETS, UH, ABOUT CURRENT PROJECTS IN THEIR CITY COUNCIL STATUS UPDATE. 
          OF COURSE, THAT WON'T REFLECT ANYTHING THAT, UM, THAT TRANSPIRED LAST NIGHT, SO, OKAY, MR. WALSH, YOU HAVE, I'LL ASK. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WELL, IT IS NOW 8 43 AND THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.
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