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          YES. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS, CAN WE, UH, FINALIZE WHAT THE COST WOULD BE AND, AND HOW DOES THAT RELATE TO OUR BUDGET? IT'S NOT REQUEST. 
          I, I HAVE NO PROBLEM AS LONG CAN COVER. 
          UH, I'M NOT MISTAKEN. 
          IT IS, UH, ABOUT 4,800 TO $5,000 FOR THE YEAR MEMBERSHIP. 
          IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE BUDGETED SPECIFICALLY, BUT IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT COULD COME FROM THE CITY MANAGER'S CONTINGENCY. 
          SO, UH, I UNDERSTAND THIS, ABOUT $5,000 OF MEMBERSHIP A YEAR, ANNUAL MEMBERSHIP. 
          WHAT ABOUT THE, UM, THE SESSIONS THAT THEY HAVE? HOW MANY SESSIONS DO THEY HAVE A YEAR? THEY ONLY DO TWO. 
          THEY DO ONE IN BC WHERE YOU'RE MEETING WITH YOUR TEXAS DELEGATION AND MEETING WITH DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS TO SEE IF YOU CAN GET ASSISTANCE. 
          SO THEY TYPICALLY HAVE AT ONE HOTEL AND ALL THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS BRING THEIR FOLKS THERE. 
          SO YOU CAN TALK ABOUT TRANSPORTATION, FEMA, AGRICUL, WHATEVER IT IS THAT YOU NEED TO TALK TO. 
          AND THEN WE GO AND WE MEET WITH OUR TEXAS DELEGATION, AND THEN THEY TRY TO GET YOU APPOINTMENTS WITH ONE-ON-ONE SO THAT YOU CAN TALK TO THEM. 
          AND THEN THEY HAVE ANOTHER ONE TO COMPLETE NOVEMBER THAT IS THE LARGEST ONE THAT IS USUALLY THE SUMMIT. 
          AND IT'S ABOUT, UM, I'M GONNA SAY MAYBE FIVE DAYS LONG, BUT THEY HAVE DIFFERENT CLASSES AND THEY ALSO BRING IN SOME OF THOSE SAME DEPARTMENTS AS WELL. 
          BUT THEY GIVE YOU TRAINING MORE ON A NATIONAL LEVEL AND NOT JUST LIKE TEXAS. 
          SO THEY FOCUS ON A LOT OF, OUT OF THE AREA. 
          SO THEY GIVE YOU CLASSES ON DIFFERENT THINGS AND CAN BRING IDEAS BACK. 
          LIKE ONE OF THE CITIES THAT WAS IN THE EMAIL SAID THEY GOT A TOUR OF THE TAMPA WATER FACILITY. 
          SO NOW WHEN THEY GO BACK TO THEIR CITY, THEY GET TO SEE HOW THEY GET TO DO SOMETHING AND THEN THEY NETWORK WITH YOU. 
          SO IT'S ONLY TWICE A YEAR THAT THEY DO CONFERENCES. 
          NOW THAT THAT SESSION IS THE TYPICALLY WRONG OTHER CITIES OR IS IT THE SAME THING? SO I, I KNOW THAT DC IS ALWAYS IN DC. 
          DC IS ALWAYS IN DC BUT THE OTHER LOCATION ROTATE THAT, UH, 2025 ACTUALLY TO BE SALT LAKE CITY, UTAH. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YOU HAVE ANY QUESTION NOW? IS IT, UH, SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL WANTS TO GO IN AND, UH, BE A MEMBER OF, OF, UM, OF ALL GOING ON? I GUESS MAYBE POLLING THE COUNCIL AND TO GIVE DIRECTION. 
          IT'S NOT REALLY SOMETHING THAT REQUIRES APPROVAL. 
          ARE YOU LOOKING RIGHT AT ABOUT 15,000 BECAUSE IT'S THE SESSIONS PLUS THE TRAVEL EXPENSES? SO YOU KNOW, UP TO 15,000 ROUGHLY? UH, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TRAVEL IS. 
          UM, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, I MEAN, IT IS SORT OF LIKE TEAM GO GO. 
          IF YOU HAVE THE BUDGET, YOU GO, IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE BUDGET, YOU DON'T ATTEND. 
          IT'S, IT WORKS THE SAME WAY. 
          SO WE WOULD'VE TO BUDGET ABOUT 1500 PER PERSON. 
          THAT'S JUST FOR ONE. 
          IT IF POSSIBLY AT THIS MOMENT I WASN'T LOOKING AT WHETHER WE ARE TRAVELING TO SOMETHING. 
          THEY ALSO HAVE ONLINE RESOURCES. 
          SO YOU CAN DO THINGS ONLINE WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE TO TRAVEL. 
          SO BASED ON BUDGETING, WE'RE LOOKING AT 5,000 AND WE EACH HAVE TWO TRIPS. 
          WE GO TO BOTH TRIPS. 
          THAT'S AN EXTRA 21,000 THEY HAVE TO ALLOW FOR. 
          THAT'S IF THE WHOLE COUNCIL GOES NOW WE LIMIT IT TO JUST ONE SESSION, EITHER DC OR OTHER SESSION. 
          AND WE COULD LIMIT THAT AND JUST CUT IT IN HALF. 
          IT'S ENTIRELY TO COUNCIL. 
          JUST CUSTOMER RELEASE. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I STILL LIMIT, YOU KNOW, TO ME RIGHT NOW I WANT QUESTION IS MEMBERSHIP AND, AND I THINK IT IS LOOKING AT YOUR WEBSITE AND LOOKING AT THE RESOURCES THAT THEY OFFER, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT'S A BAD THING FOR THE CITY TO HAVE AT OUR CURRENT SIZE AND, AND WHERE WE'RE PROJECTED TO END UP ON. 
          YOU KNOW, THEY OFFER A LOT OF GUIDANCE, A LOT OF RESOURCES ON THINGS THAT I THINK ARE IMPORTANT TO US AND ARE MAYBE EVEN MORE IMPORTANT IN THEIR FUTURE, LIKE TRANSPORTATION, LIKE, UH, FLOOD CONTROL, STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          SO I, AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, THE MEMBERSHIP CONCERNS, I, I THINK IT WOULD BE VALUE FOR THE CITY. 
          AS FAR AS ATTENDANCE GOES, I'M NOT SURE THAT THIS IS NECESSARILY ALL A COUNCIL MEMBER, UM, ACTIVITY. 
          THERE ARE SOME LOOKING AT MY, LOOK AT THEIR WEBSITE, THERE ARE SOME PROGRAMS THAT THEY HAVE THAT MIGHT BE, UH, APPLICABLE FOR OUR FLIGHT CONTROL PERSON TO GO TO, UH, OR OUR, UH, OUR CITY MANAGERS TO GO TO, TO, TO LOOK AT THAT GROWTH ASPECT. 
          SO I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S A CONVERSATION THAT WE NEED TO HAVE GOING INTO THE BUDGET AT THE END OF THIS YEAR ON ADDING THAT INTO OTHER TRAVEL JUST LIKE WE DO FOR OTHER TML FUNCTIONS OR, OR OTHER CONFERENCES OR WORKSHOPS. 
          BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, LET'S AT LEAST LAY THE FOUNDATION OR OF AT LEAST TAKING A MEMBERSHIP. 
          AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THAT BROKE MY GLASSES, BUT UH, THE MEMBERSHIP WOULD BE 4,487. 
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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WELL, LET'S GO DOWN THE LINE. 
          WE'LL START WITH COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS, COUNCIL MEMBER, INCLUDING THE OTHER CITY. 
          SO I JUST, I WAS, I WAS CONCERNED COMING UP BECAUSE I WASN'T A FAN OF LOT OF PLATFORM WE ENDORSING WORKING TOWARDS, HOPEFULLY I'M IN FAVOR. 
          I, COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          I'M IN FAVOR. 
          I THINK THE COUNCIL CONSENSUS THAT MEMBERS AND THEN, UH, WE WILL ADDRESS, UH, OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ALRIGHT, WE MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO. 
          [2.  Workshop to discuss Christmas Decorations for Entry Sign and City Hall Lights (R. Gutierrez/P. Macaluso)]
WORKSHOP DISCUSSION ON CHRISTMAS DECOR FOR, AND, UM, MR. WILLIAMS, THIS OFF HERE. 
          WE HAVE A COUPLE OF, UM, A COUPLE OF COMMENTS THAT WERE SUBMITTED. 
          ONE WAS PERTAINING TO POSSIBLY DRESSING UP THE ENTRY SIGN AND THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF CHURCH PARKWAY AND I 35. 
          MAYBE, MAYBE DOING SOME ENHANCEMENT THERE. 
          THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER COMMENTS IN THE PAST ABOUT POSSIBLE CHANGES, SO WANTED TO PUT THAT ON THERE AND DISCUSS. 
          ALSO, WE, UM, HAD ISSUES WITH THE LIGHT HERE. 
          WE'VE KIND OF HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THE ENHANCEMENTS HERE, POSSIBILITIES. 
          SO JUST WANTED TO PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA TO, IT'S MORE OF A FREE FLOW DISCUSSION ITEM, I THINK, UM, FURTHER. 
          ALRIGHT, WE'LL OPEN THAT UP FOR DISCUSSION, BUT LET'S, UH, START WITH THE SIGN. 
          UM, I'M, THIS IS, THIS IS WHERE, IT'S THE FIRST SIGN THAT WE HAVE FOR OUR CITY. 
          I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES IT, UM, IT'S COVERED UP, UM, THE, UM, GROWTH THAT I THINK WE NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO. 
          UM, AND THAT SIGN IS A YEAR-ROUND THING. 
          SO IT, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE DECORATIONS DURING THE HOLIDAY SEASON, BUT THE OVERALL HEARING AT SOME, UM, CONSTANT BASIS BECAUSE IT'S, UH, I SAID FIRST THE SIGNATURES AND PARTWAY LEADS TO THIS, UM, THIS CONTEXT. 
          SO, UH, ON THAT NOTE, I, I THINK THE ENTRY, UH, SIGN THERE IS I YES SIR. 
          SO I'M IN FAVOR. 
          I THINK YOU MADE SOME GOOD POINTS. 
          WILL IT COME BACK TO THE, UH, CITY COUNCIL IN TERMS OF LIKE, SO GIVE GIVE INDICATION GONNA BE OR WE JUST GONNA FIT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT DURING CHRISTMAS TIME? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK I'M HEARING SOMETHING A LITTLE. 
          WELL, IT'S BOTH, IT'S BOTH THE, THE DATE TO DAY TYPE AND THEN WE HAVE THE, THAT, UH, THAT ONE MONTHLY HOLIDAY SEASON. 
          SO LET'S, LET'S LOOK AT THE FIRST PORTION. 
          SO IS IT MORE OF A FUNCTION OF MAINTENANCE OR WOULD WE LIKE TO MAYBE CHANGE THE SIGN OR DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT? YEAH, I JUST WILL STEP IN. 
          I I THINK IT NEEDS A REDO. 
          I THINK IT NEEDS COMPLETELY CORNER. 
          IT'S VERY SMALL AND IT'S ESSENTIALLY A MOMENT THAT I'M AWARE OF ONLY ENTRY SIDE OF THE SHIRTS WE HAVE. 
          VERY AND COUNCIL MEMBER WATSON. 
          YES, I AGREE WITH THAT. 
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SO, UM, YES, COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          I AGREE. 
          I THINK YOU NEED TO MAKE IT MORE STATE SINCE THIS IS THE ENTRANCE TO OUR CITY, SO MAY I CAN RECOMMEND THIS. 
          UM, IT'S ONLY ONE SIDE AND IN MY PRIOR EXPERIENCE WHEN WE WENT TO GO REDO THE ONE SIGN, WE ENDED UP BUILDING THREE SIGNS BECAUSE OTHER CORRIDORS, OTHER PARTS OF TOWN HAVE SIGN THERE AS WELL ON MAJOR CORRIDORS. 
          WOULD IT BE HELPFUL FOR US TO MAYBE PUT TOGETHER A PLAN OF POSSIBLE MULTIPLE LOCATIONS AND SIGNS NOW IT, IT WILL BE EXPENSIVE JUST TO BE CLEAR. 
          UM, AND, AND I SAY EXPENSIVE, IT WILL HAVE A COST ASSOCIATED WITH IT AND WE NEED TO BE A BUDGET ITEM. 
          BUT IF THE COUNCIL IS AMENABLE, THEN WE CAN COME BACK WITH A PLAN AND MAYBE PHASE SOMETHING IN OVER TIME OR, UM, SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE ISSUE I THINK IS SPACE LIMITATION AND IN TERMS OF WHERE YOU COULD ACTUALLY PUT A SIGN AND THE REASON WHY THAT SIGN IS SO SMALL PENCIL MACALUSO IS WE ONLY IMPLEMENTED AMOUNT OF SPACE AND THE LIGHTING IS, WE ONLY HAVE ONE COPY, SO WE CAN'T DO TOO MUCH WITH IT. 
          SO, BUT WE CAN FORMULATE A PLAN AND DO SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE COMPREHENSIVE AND COME BACK DURING BUDGET CLASSES. 
          YES SIR. 
          YES. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER, DID YOU KNOW WHAT I, I UNDERSTAND YOU WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SUN TOP SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YES, SIR. 
          UM, AND, AND WHILE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, WHILE WE ASSOCIATE THAT WITH THE ENTRANCE TO THE CITY, MAKE THE ARGUMENT THEN, WELL, WHY DON'T WE HAVE ONE ON EACH END OF 78? WHY DON'T WE HAVE ONE ON, UM, 1103? WHY WE HAVE ONE ON, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER SIDE OF 3 0 0 1 BY GUARD BRIDGE. 
          I MEAN, SO I, I THINK IT'S A NICE SIGN. 
          I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE WHERE IT'S AT. 
          UH, BUT WE, WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH THIS OP 35 PROJECT WITH ELAINE'S WE'RE DOING, AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE THAT FACADE ON THE OVERPASS THAT SAYS CITY OF SHIRTS. 
          UM, AND THAT'S THE ACTUAL ENTRY TO THE CITY OF SHIRTS ON 35. 
          UH, AS I RECALL, I THINK THE WAY THEY'RE DESIGNING THAT, YOU'RE GONNA SEE IF YOU'RE COMING UP THE FRONTAGE ROAD, YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE, YOU'RE COMING UP THE, UH, OF THE INTERSTATE. 
          UH, AND WE HAD ASKED THE QUESTION BEFORE ABOUT A MARQUES SIGN ON THE NORTHERN SIDE AS YOU COME DOWN 35, UM, SORT OF LIKE NEW BRAUNFELS HAS AS YOU'RE HEADING UP 35 NORTH. 
          THEY'VE GOT THAT, THAT RATHER NICE LOOKING MONUMENTAL SIGN ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE THAT SAYS, SEE FELS ON, ON THE SIDE OF THE INTERSTATE. 
          AND YOUR HONOR, MY QUESTION WAS, WELL WHY DOESN'T INSURANCE HAVE THAT? UH, OURS WOULD BE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE AS YOU'RE COMING DOWN 35, UM, WITHOUT THE ENTRANCE BEING PLANTED, SIGN TO THE PLANTER. 
          I MEAN, I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE IS, IS WELL WHERE, WHERE ALL DO WE NEED ENTRANCE SIGNS FOR THE CITY? 33 35 WAS, WAS ADDRESSED WITH THE MARQUES SIGN. 
          BYRON FROM THE NEW BRA BELL SIGN AND THE UH, OVERPASS ON THE SELMA SIDE. 
          YOU KNOW, I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE IS DO WE REALLY NEED ONE AT CHURCH PARKWAY AT 70 ACRE OR SHOULD WE BE TALKING ABOUT SOME KIND OF SAME THING DOWN ON THE INTERSTATE 10 SIDE. 
          IF PEOPLE COME FROM THE SOUTH SIDE MEAN WE COVER WHAT, 32 SQUARE MILES, UH, AND WE HAVE SEVERAL ROADS THAT LEAD THROUGH CHURCH. 
          UH, I THINK TRYING TO PUT SOME KIND OF MONUMENT SIGN AT SIGNIFICANT ENTRY POINTS TO CHURCH WOULD BE I GUESS PROBLEMATIC AND COSTLY 'CAUSE OF SO MANY ENTRY POINTS. 
          SO WE, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS HERE OTHER THAN I, I THINK SOME OF, WE ALREADY HAVE MAYBE SOMETHING ON THE SOUTH SIDE. 
          THE BACK FOR ME, I WASN'T OVERLY CONCERNED ABOUT MULTIPLE LOCATIONS IS BECAUSE I THOUGHT THE SIGNS PUT THERE BECAUSE AT CHURCH'S PARKWAY AND EVERYBODY KIND OF KNOWS YOU GET OFF ON CHURCH PARK, YOU KIND OF GET INTO CHURCH AND THAT'S WHERE MY PRO MY THOUGHT PROCESS WAS, I WASN'T TRYING TO GET A SIGN HERE, 3 0 0 9, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE SIGNS. 
          IT'S JUST MAKING THAT ONE SIGN TO ME IS FINE. 
          THE ONE SIGN IN THE CITY JUST TRYING TO UP OUR GAME A LITTLE BIT ON THAT ONE SCIENCE IS THAT IS SURE PART OF WHY PEOPLE THINK THAT'S THE INTEREST OF CHURCH AND THAT'S THE MINDSET THAT I THINK MOST PEOPLE HAVE IN THE CITY. 
          THEY'RE NOT THINKING 15, 18 INTO ENTRY OF SHIRTS OR 3, 9 11 3 INTO ENTRY OF CHURCH. 
          SO THAT WAS MY THOUGHT PROCESS ON THE WHOLE THING. 
          ALRIGHT. 
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AND THE ONLY REASON I BROUGHT IT UP TO THE ATTENTION OF THE CITY MANAGER IS BECAUSE THE SIGN WAS, UH, THERE WAS WE GROWN, UH, VEGETATION AND HE COULDN'T READ THE WHOLE SHIRT. 
          SO THAT'S REALLY THE REASON THAT ONE BROUGHT UP. 
          BUT WITH THAT I ALSO MENTIONED, UH, CHRISTMAS LIGHTS THAT WERE OFF IN THE COMPLEX AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT, THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN SOME CONFUSION AND I WANTED DECORATE OUR SPINE, MAKING IT MORE HOLIDAY. 
          UH, BUT IT WAS JUST TWO DIFFERENT ITEMS THOUGH THAT I MISINTERPRET THAT THERE, THERE WERE TWO DIFFERENT ITEMS THAT, THAT I DIDN'T WANT MYSELF TO, TO INDICATE THE HOLIDAYS ARE HERE. 
          NO, THE SIGNAGE WAS, UH, OVER GIRL DETECTION BETWEEN C OUR LANE. 
          UH, BUT WITH THAT, I UH, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS BROUGHT THE WHOLE POINT. 
          I THINK WE NEED TO FOCUS MORE ON THE SIGNAGE OF 9 35 GET WITH TEXTILES SO THAT WE CAN PUT THOSE TYPES OF SIGNS THAT NEW BRAUNFELS HAS AND, AND KYLE HAS, I THINK THAT WILL HAVE MORE OF AN IMPACT. 
          'CAUSE I, I HATE TO TEAR DOWN SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY THERE AND THEN REBUILD IT, WHICH WILL BE NO MORE NO DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IT IS. 
          AND, AND THE MAIN FOCUS HAS TO BE ON I 10 AND I 35. 
          IT, YEAH, I, YOU KNOW WHAT, I THINK THE STAFF DID A GREAT JOB ON THAT SILENCE YOUR PARTWAY AND I, I CAN REMEMBER A COUPLE YEARS BACK WHEN IT WAS IN A AL SHAPE, UH, AND THEY WENT UP THERE AND, AND PUT ALL THE NEW ROCK IN THE BASE AND CLEANED UP A LOT OF IT. 
          UH, YEAH, I JUST LIKE ANYTHING ELSE, IF, IF ITS GROWING SEASON AND SOME OF THE SHRUBS ARE GROWING LITTLE BIT TOO FAST, WE NEEDED MAYBE BE A LITTLE BIT MORE PROACTIVE OR PERHAPS MAYBE THINK ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING FOR SOMETHING THAT'S NOT THAT WAY. 
          BUT DID WE, DID WE NOT INCUR EXTRA COST FOR THE 30 FLAG PROJECT FOR THE OVERPASS? SO ON THE UH, TURNAROUND LANES YES. 
          THAT ARE GONNA BE ADDED. 
          WE'RE GONNA HAVE SHIRTS ON IT LIKE YOU'VE SEEN KYLE AND UH, THE OTHER CITIES. 
          SO, BUT YEAH, BUT THE DESIGN THAT WE WANT, WE'RE POINTING UP SOME MONEY ALREADY. 
          YES. 
          I THINK IT'S 50 OR $60,000. 
          IS THIS THAT SHIRTS, BUT THEY SIGN FOR HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. 
          I THINK IT'S GOOD. 
          THERE'S ALSO THE LUMS THAT'LL BE ON THE COLUMNS TOO. 
          YES, YES, THAT'S RIGHT. 
          UH, TEXTILE DID PROVIDE OUR SIGNAGE OF, I THINK IT WAS ONE, WE WERE FOUR FOR, UH, SIGNS ON THE COLUMNS. 
          SO I THOUGHT WE ALSO HAD A DISCUSSION ON POSSIBLY ALSO WHEN TEXT DO GETS DONE WITH YO PASSING THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT MAYBE PUTTING THE MONUMENTS ON THE, THE SIDE BY 35. 
          KYLE HAD, SO WE'RE GONNA LOSE THAT MONEY TO ME. 
          I DON'T DUNNO THAT WE NEED TO HAVE MULTIPLE SIGNS OFF THE CITY. 
          I I THINK WE SHOULD LEAVE THAT, UH, MONUMENT SIGNS UNTIL UH, I 35 IS BEING COMPLETED. 
          UH, ONLY BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHETHER OR NOT THEY WILL BE AN OBSTACLE TO THE CONSTRUCTION. 
          OH NO, I THOUGHT THE DISCUSSION WAS AFTER I FILES COULD NOT AT THIS TIME, NO QUESTION. 
          DID YOU SAY THAT THE OVERPASS 1 35 WAS THE PARKWAY? IT'LL IDENTIFY THE ROAD, BUT THEN ON COLUMNS IT'LL HAVE OUR CITY, NOT THE SEAL. 
          NO, THE LOAN. 
          YEAH. 
          I WAS JUST WONDERING WHY WE WOULD SAY INSURANCE PARKWAY VERSUS THE CITY. 
          IT IDENTIFIES THE ROAD. 
          YEAH, THAT'S HOW, OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IF I'M HEARING CORRECTLY, AS FAR AS THE MONUMENT SIGN SCENARIO GOES, WOULD WE WANT TO INVESTIGATE A LARGER NEW BRAUNFELS HIGH SIGN ON 35 ON THE NORTH SIDE SOMEWHERE AND SOUTH AND SOUTH SIDE AND THEN POSSIBLY I 10 I 10? THAT WOULD BE, YEAH, THAT WOULD BE UH, AFTER WE, AFTER I FINISHED, YEAH, I, I 35 WHO'S LET'S A I 35 RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT'S SET UP, THE TRAFFIC COUNT IS MUCH HIGHER THAN I 10. 
          SO WE CAN LOOK TO TRY AND IDENTIFY SITES ON THE NORTH SIDE OF TOWN FOR I 35 OR SOUTH SIDE TOWN 5 35 OR SOUTH CENTER, I, I, I WOULD ADVOCATE FOR THE NORTH SIDE BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ANY CONSTRUCTION GOING UP THERE. 
          WE COULD PROBABLY FIND ANY SITE EASIER AND FASTER TO TAKE CARE OF THAT SIDE. 
          THE ON, IF YOU WANTED TO DO ANOTHER ONE ALONG THE SIDE OF ONE ON THE SOUTH SIDE, I THINK THAT MAY BE PROBLEMATIC RIGHT NOW WITH THE ONGOING CONSTRUCTION. 
          UH, AND I WOULD SAY THE SAME THING FOR INTERSTATE 10. 
          WE HAVE ONE ENTRANCE POINT 1380 ON THE 10. 
          UM, AND WITH ALL THE CONSTRUCTION DOWN THERE NOW, I'D SAY PROBABLY BETTER LET THEM FINISH THAT, GET THEIR LANES DONE AND THEN FIGURE OUT WHERE YOU MIGHT 
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BE ABLE TO PUT MONEY. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          REGARDING THE, IS THAT EVERYTHING ON THE SIGNAGE? YES, I INTO THE SIGN? I THINK THAT ADDRESS EVERYTHING, SO WE'LL GO DOWN TO THE MAXIMUM THE CITY HIGHLIGHTS. 
          SO, SO JUST IN A QUICK EXPLANATION ON THE CITY HALL LIGHTS, WE'VE HAD CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF ISSUES KEEPING THEM ALL LIT AND SOME OF IT HAS TO DO WITH THE, THE SETUP, THE WIRING. 
          WE, WE, WE DON'T HAVE ADEQUATE POWER SUPPLY AND BUILDING ONE, I GUESS IS WHERE IT'S WIRED INTO WHERE WE'RE ESSENTIALLY AT OR OVER CAPACITY FOR BRIAN. 
          SO YEAH, I THINK AND, AND THOMAS CAN CERTAINLY JUMP IN. 
          I THINK THE CHRISTMAS LIGHTS GOING OFF ONE ISSUE, UM, I THINK WHEN THE STAFF STARTED LOOKING INTO THIS, THERE'S AN IDEA TO DO MORE AND MORE LIGHTS. 
          UM, AND SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, IF WE WERE TO GO DOWN THAT PATH, WE DO HAVE SOME POWER ISSUES IN THE COMPLEX WITH WAS TO CHIME IN. 
          YEAH, I THINK WE MAY RUN INTO OUR ISSUE IS GFCI PROTECTION. 
          SO THE NATIONAL ELECTRICAL CODE REQUIRES US FOR OUTDOOR POWER SUPPLIES, ONE 20 VOLT TO BE GFCI PROTECTED. 
          UH, THIS IS GREAT FOR THE ELECTRICAL SHOP AND UH, WE ALL HAVE 'EM AT OUR HOUSE. 
          AT HER HOUSE. 
          IF HER HOUSE HAS MADE THE LAST 30 YEARS OR YOUR BATHROOM AND A TRIP OCCASIONALLY, WELL THE TYPE OF LIGHTS WE HAVE TO COLLECT WATER. 
          UH, AND G HAS I TAPE WATER, THAT'S THEIR JOB. 
          SO THEY'RE FUNCTIONING PROPERLY. 
          SO WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO IS PROBABLY GET, UM, BETTER LINES TO BE SIMPLIFIED YEAH. 
          A BETTER QUALITY LINE AND MAYBE DESIGN IT SO THE, THE RECEPTS OUT THERE AND POWER SUPPLY IS FUNCTIONING PROPERLY. 
          IT'S JUST THE LIGHTS THEMSELVES ARE GETTING MOISTURE IN THERE AND UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY, HOW OLD SHRINK THEY SEE, UM, GOING ON FOUR YEARS NOW ON THE, UH, BUILDING LIGHTS. 
          SO YEAH, WE'VE HAD SOME GLITCHINESS. 
          IS IT OKAY? WE WE'VE HAD SOME GLITCHINESS THIS YEAR. 
          SO ONE OF THE LOT IS IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT OUR NORMAL WORK PRODUCT, SO WE ALL THINK THAT ABOUT, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO D BUT YEAH, IT, IT'S, IT'S NUMEROUS THINGS. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S MOISTURE THAT, AGAIN, THE, THE LIGHTS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, WE GUESS THE SQUIRREL IS STREAM WIRING ON THE OLD TREE, WHICH THEY TEND TO DO, UH, SHORTING IT OUT. 
          SO WE REWIRE THE TREE ONCE ALREADY. 
          UM, AND THEN THE SEPARATION IS YES, THE POWER CAPABILITY, WE ARE MAXED OUT IN THE FRONT HERE FOR WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO THAT IS POSS PARTLY BECAUSE THE ROOF LINE LIGHTS ARE NOT ELEVATED, SO THEY'RE DRAWING MORE UP AND UTILIZE OUR L SO WE'RE ABLE TO ADD MORE. 
          BUT IF WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO ADD MORE AND MORE, WE ARE GONNA ISSUE, UH, UM, POWER AVAILABILITY. 
          SO WE DID PROVIDE AN EXTENDED PROGRAM REQUEST LAST YEAR FOR THE PERMANENT LED CHANNEL LIGHTING ON ALL THE BUILDINGS. 
          AND WITH THAT UPGRADE WOULD'VE BEEN SOME, ALSO SOME MONEY TO UPGRADE ELECTRICAL CAPABILITY, UH, DIDN'T MAKE THE CUT. 
          AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO BRING THAT FORWARD IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL WANTS US TO LOOK AT, UM, CONTINUE TO INVESTIGATE THAT. 
          BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW ON THE LINE. 
          SO WHAT WAS OUR, WHAT WAS OUR ESTIMATE FOR THE PERMIT UNDER THE DEVICE? IT WAS 150,000 TO DO HOW MANY BUILDINGS? ALL OF THE CURRENT BUILDINGS AS YOU SEE IT, EVEN ADDING IN SOME OF THE PEAKS WHERE WE DIDN'T QUITE DO THE WHOLE WRAP AROUND THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF DID IT JUST PACING THE FRONT, BUT IT ADDED THE ENTIRE ROOF LINE. 
          I I AND I, I KNOW WHEN WE, WE HIT OUR BUDGET VERY SERIOUSLY, UH, AND I'VE BEEN PUSHING BUDGET OPTIONS FOR A LONG TIME, UH, WITH CUT LINES AND, AND WHAT'S BELOW THE LINE. 
          BUT, BUT I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE IF, IF, IF WE'RE, IF THIS IS OUR GOAL TO PRESENT OUR CITY IN A CERTAIN WAY, UM, I WOULDN'T MIND IF THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, SEEING AN UPDATED BUDGET ESTIMATE, UM, TO DO THE PERMANENT LIGHTING. 
          UM, I'VE SEEN A LOT OF HOUSES NOW REPAIR COMMUNITY WITH THE PERMANENT ENTITY LIGHTING. 
          UH, IT GIVES US SOME OPTIONS. 
          UH, I'M THINKING OF THE JUBILEE. 
          UM, IT WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THE RED, WHITE, BLUE LIGHTS IF THERE ARE PERMANENT LEDS. 
          UM, IT WOULD, IF WE GO BACK DOING SOME OF THE LIMITED TRUNK OR TREE IN OCTOBER IN THE COMPLEX WITH POLICE AND FIRE, UH, THERE'S THE ORANGE LIGHTING NOW ON OUR BUILDINGS. 
          I, I THINK IT GIVES US A LOT MORE FLEXIBILITY AND IF IT, IF IT IN THE END RUN FIX FIXES OR ADDRESSES THESE, UM, GFI TRIM ERRORS AND, AND POWER CONSUMPTION AND EVERYTHING ELSE, I, I DON'T THINK IT'S A BAD INVESTMENT TO LOOK AT, UH, FOR THE CITY BOARD. 
          SO I WOULDN'T MIND SEEING FOR THIS YEAR'S BUDGET AN UPDATED COST FACTOR 
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THAT I CAN MAYBE TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT MORE IN, UH, THE BUDGET RETREAT. 
          OKAY. 
          NO, WELL, COUNCIL MEMBER DID THIS BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT. 
          UH, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SEEN PATRICK'S DAY AND ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THE CONFERENCE WILL BE UP BASED ON THE OCCASION AND IT WOULD, I I I RECEIVED SO MANY COMPLIMENTS REGARDING THE LIVES, BUT AT THE SAME TIME I RECEIVED, UH, CONCERNS WHEN THEY NOT ON. 
          SO, SO, UH, OVERALL, I, I THINK WE BRINGING UP, UH, FOR OUR BUDGET DISCUSSION TO, UH, TO INVEST IN THESE SLIDES. 
          I, I THINK THEY WILL PAY FOR THEMSELVES BY THE NUMBER OF TIMES THAT WE, WE'LL USE IT IN JUST ONE YEAR. 
          BUT ONE MORE THING, WHEN WE GET OUR ESTIMATES, WE ALSO LOOK AT A, A BROKEN DOWN ESTIMATE THAT WOULD INCLUDE EXPANDING THE PROGRAM. 
          SO FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE COMPLEX HERE, GREAT. 
          THIS YEAR WE'VE GOT A LIBRARY AND THE LIBRARY ARE FROM THE CORNER, UM, RIGHT NEXT TO WE'VE GOT THE SENIOR CENTER. 
          UM, NOT NECESSARILY CONVINCED THAT ON THE N CORNER WE WOULD NOT GO 360 AROUND IN N BUT YOU KNOW, I WOULDN'T MIND SEEING, SEEING, YOU KNOW, A, A REC A A FINANCE OPTION WHERE LET'S TALK ABOUT THE COMPLEX AND OH BY THE WAY, WE WERE TO ADD TO THE LIBRARY OR TO ADD TO SENIOR CENTER, UH, WE CAN LOOK AT SOME OF THESE OTHER MAIN STREET, UH, FACILITIES THAT THE CITY HAS. 
          YEAH, WE CAN DEFINITELY DO THAT. 
          AND WE WILL REVIVE ALSO PRE COVID, I THINK IT WAS 2019, WE DID, UH, A GRANT APPLICATION TO GVC AND WE LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, LIGHT POLE LIGHTING, STREET LIGHTING, REMEMBER THOSE LIKE THE SNOWFLAKES FOR MAIN STREET. 
          WE KIND OF LOOKED AT ALL THAT OVER THE YEARS SO WE CAN KIND OF BRING ALL THAT BACK AS AN EXTENDED PROGRAM, GIVE YOU OPTIONS TO PHASE IT ALL OVER THE YEARS. 
          I WAS GONNA SAY THE PERMANENT MONEY, I THINK BRINGING THAT BACK, I JUST GOT SOME AND I LOVE THEM, I DON'T HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT. 
          IT WAS FOR, WE GOT 'EM BEFORE CHRISTMAS AND THEN RED AND GREEN, IT CAME ON A CERTAIN TIME. 
          THEY GO OFF AT A CERTAIN TIME AND NOW WE'RE LOOKING TO SEE WHAT COLORS ARE WE GONNA PUT FOR JANUARY. 
          AND THE COMPANY WE WENT WITH YOU FOR US, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY, YOU KNOW, FOR GOVERNMENT, BUT THERE WERE DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND YOU GET SIX INCH, YOU KNOW, SPREAD SPACES. 
          SO SIX INCH, NINE INCH, 12 INCH. 
          SO IT DEPENDED ON THE COST, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT UP. 
          I, YEAH, I, I KNOW I AM LOOKING NOW ON HOW MANY FELLOW SHOP WE PUT 'EM ON, PUT ON TO TO MAKE MY HOUSE ALL LIT UP. 
          UM, EVEN FOR US, WHERE I LIVE, OUR STREET IS DARK, WE DON'T HAVE ANY STREET LIGHTS AND ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORS MADE A COMMENT AND SAID, HEY, IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT YOUR LIGHTS, IT KIND OF LIT UP THE, THE STREETS. 
          SO WE KIND OF LIKE THAT. 
          MAYBE WE NEED TO GET SOMETHING THEN LIKE YOU PUT 'EM ON LIGHT THEN THAT WAY WE HAVE BETTER LIFE ON THIS END. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA AND NOT THAT IT CAN BE COSTLY. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, AND THEN YOU LOOK AT MAYBE AS HE WAS SAYING, WHEN YOU BRING IT BACK, MAYBE LOOKING AT ALL THE OPTIONS, JUST THE FRONT, THE WHOLE WAY AROUND. 
          AND, AND THAT WAY WE KNOW WE, BECAUSE I THINK THAT HELPS WITH ALL OF THE OTHER ISSUES WITH TRYING TO CONTRACT SOMEBODY OUT TO PUT THE LIGHTS ON TO CONSTANTLY FIGURE IT OUT. 
          BECAUSE I KNOW WHEN I WAS OUT ON THE FRONT, I SAW THESE LOOK LIKE EXTENSION CORDS AND I'M LIKE, OKAY, THIS IS THE TRICK ENHANCE, IF SOMEBODY'S WALKING UP TO TAKE A PICTURE OF THE TRICK WITH THE TRIGGER CELL, I THINK THAT WOULD ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT AS WELL. 
          YES. 
          AND THOMAS OR LAUREN, IF, IF WE DID A PERMANENT SOLUTION, COULD WE ELIMINATE SOME GI PROBLEMS? ABSOLUTELY. 
          DEPENDING ON WHAT ROUTE YOU GO. 
          SO IF IT DOESN'T HAVE A RECEPTACLE PART, YEAH, IT, IT'S A, IT'S A BUILT-IN CHANNEL UNDER THE SOFFIT OF THE ROOF LINE SO IT'S NOT COMING IN CONTACT WITH MUCH MOISTURE AND, AND IT'S LIKE RIBBON, YOU, YOU KIND OF SEE ALL THESE EMBEDDED SO IT DOESN'T GET MOISTURE. 
          OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GONNA HAVE A HYBRID WHICH WOULD STILL LIGHT UP TREES IN THE FRONT SO THE MIGHT STILL HAVE SOME ISSUES. 
          THAT'S KIND WHERE WE'RE SEEING THE MOST, UH, WHERE THE WATER GETS IN THE FALL. 
          IS THERE, LEMME ASK ONE MORE QUESTION THERE. 
          IS THERE ANY APPETITE TO PERMANENTLY WRAP THE TREES AND LEAVE IT THAT WAY ALL YEAR ROUND? A LOT OF DOWNTOWNS DO THAT. 
          A LOT OF CITIES ARE DOING THAT. 
          PRETTY GOOD YEAR ROUND RIGHTS ON THE TRUNK. 
          THE ISSUE THAT IS ISSUE WITH THE TRUTH OVER TIME, THAT EXPANDS. 
          SO I THINK DOWN AND ITS TOO FOR, I WOULD RECOMMEND CARBON, BUT UH, IF YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND JUST GET THE INFORMATION FOR BUDGET, UH, THAT WE CAN, UH, ANALYZE IT AND DECISION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          [00:30:01]
APPRECIATE IT. 
          ALRIGHT, WELL THAT IS, UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NO. 
          ALRIGHT, THE TIME IS, UH, FIVE 30.
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