Feb 18, 2025 City Council

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ALL RIGHT.

THE TIME

[ Call to Order ]

FIRST ON THE AGENDAS, COUNCIL MEMBER MACALUSO WILL LEAD US WITH THE OPENING PRAYER AND THE PLEDGES OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAGS OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE STATE OF TEXAS.

PLEASE RISE.

LORD, THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR BLESSINGS.

WE COME TO YOU ASKING FOR YOUR COMFORT, WISDOM, AND GUIDANCE.

AS WE MEET TONIGHT, ASK THAT YOU WORK THROUGH US ALL TO DO WHAT IS BEST FOR THE CITIZENS OF OUR GREAT CITY, AND ALLOW US TO HAVE, UH, A GOOD, MEANINGFUL, AND HONEST DISCUSSION WITH EACH OTHER.

AND WE ASK THESE THINGS IN YOUR NAME.

AMEN.

AMEN.

I PLEDGE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, HIS WILL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE, ALL JESUS, TEXAS.

ALRIGHT, UH, WE HAVE A COUPLE PROCLAMATIONS.

[ National Engineer's Week-February 16-22, 2025-Engineering Department (Macaluso)]

AND IF WE CAN HAVE THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT JOIN US UP HERE BY THE PODIUM AND COUNCIL MEMBER MACALUSO WILL BE READING THE PROCLAMATION.

OKAY.

NATIONAL ENGINEERS APPRECIATION WEEK FEBRUARY 16TH TO FEBRUARY 22ND, 2025.

WHEREAS THE THEME FOR ENGINEERS WEEK 2025 IS DESIGN YOUR FUTURE.

AND WHEREAS ENGINEERS USE THEIR SCIENTIFIC AND TECHNO TECHNICAL KNOWLEDGE AND SKILLS AND CREATIVE AND INNOVATIVE WAYS TO FULFILL SOCIETY'S NEEDS.

AND WHEREAS ENGINEERS FACE THE MAJOR TECHNOLOGICAL CHALLENGES OF OUR TIME FROM REBUILDING TOWNS DEVASTATED BY NATURAL DISASTER, CLEANING UP THE ENVIRONMENT AND ENSURING SAFE, CLEAN, AND EFFICIENT SOURCES OF ENERGY TO DESIGNING INFORMATION SYSTEMS THAT'LL SPEED OUR COUNTRY INTO THE FUTURE.

AND WHEREAS ENGINEERS ARE ENCOURAGING YOUNG MATH AND SCIENCE STUDENTS TO REALIZE THE PRACTICAL POWER OF THEIR KNOWLEDGE, AND WHEREAS WE WILL LOOK MORE THAN EVER TO ENGINEERS AND THEIR KNOWLEDGE AND SKILLS TO MEET THE CHALLENGES OF 21ST CENTURY.

NOW, THEREFORE, ON BEHALF OF RALPH GUTIERREZ, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF SHIRTZ, TEXAS, DO HEREBY RECOGNIZE AND HEREBY PROCLAIM FEBRUARY 16TH TO FEBRUARY 22ND, 2025 AS NATIONAL ENGINEERS WEEK.

I ENCOURAGE ALL RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF CHURCHS TO RECOGNIZE AND HONOR THE COMMITMENT, DEDICATION, AND HARD WORK.

OUR ENGINEERING STAFF PROVIDES OUR CITIZENS OF OUR GREAT CITY.

THAT'S IT.

OKAY.

SOMETHING FIRST.

OKAY.

I HAVE A COUPLE THINGS TO SAY, UM, BUT I WON'T TAKE LONG.

SO, UH, WE WOULD'VE HAD MORE OF OUR, UH, 10 MEMBER ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HERE, BUT, UM, ENGINEERS DO A LOT OF THINGS.

AND SO WE'VE GOT SOMEONE COACHING YOUTH SOCCER.

WE'VE GOT SOMEONE WITH SOME AGRICULTURAL PROGRAMS AT THE SAN ANTONIO LIVESTOCK SHOW, UM, AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS.

SO JOHN AND I ARE HERE TO REPRESENT.

AND, UM, I ALSO WANNA TAKE A MINUTE TO THANK ALL THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT HELP US.

WE'RE FORTUNATE THAT WE GET TO WORK WITH MOST OTHER DEPARTMENTS IN THE CITY, AND, UM, WE GET A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF SUPPORT FROM ALL OF THEM, AND ALSO FROM COUNCIL AND MANAGEMENT.

UM, PUBLIC WORKS PLANNING, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, PUBLIC AFFAIRS, UH, FINANCE, PD, FIRE.

UM, SO APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S SUPPORT OVER THE YEARS.

AND, UM, WE'LL, UH, KEEP WORKING HARD TO BUILD SHIRTS.

RIGHT NEXT.

WE, UH, PROCLAMATION

[ Government Communicators Day-February 21, 2025-Public Affairs (Westbrook)]

AND THAT WOULD BE PUBLIC AFFAIRS AND COUNCIL MEMBER WESTBROOK WILL BE READING THE PROCLAMATION.

GOOD EVENING GOVERNMENT COMMUNICATORS DAY, FEBRUARY 21ST, 2025, WHERE THIS ROLE OF GOVERNMENT COMMUNICATIONS PROFESSIONS

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AND WHEREAS ROBUST COMMUNICATION IN GOVERNMENT CREATES TRUST AND INSPIRES RESIDENTS TO TAKE ACTION AND BE INVOLVED.

AND WHEREAS GOVERNMENT COMMUNICATIONS CREATE RELATIONSHIPS AND CALLS TO ACTION, BUILDS AWARENESS AND UNDERSTANDING THROUGH STORYTELLING, ENGAGE AND FOSTER ENGAGEMENT ON CIVIC ISSUES, AND USE ALL CHANNELS TO INCLUDE PEOPLE IN CRITICAL DECISIONS.

AND WHEREAS IT IS ESSENTIAL TO HAVE STRONG COMMUNICATIONS IN GOVERNMENT 'CAUSE IT IS A FOUNDATIONAL ELEMENT OF LIVING IN A LIVING IN A DEMOCRACY WHERE CITIZENS HAVE THE FREEDOM TO MAKE THEIR VOICE HEARD.

AND WHEREAS THE CITY OF SHIRTS IS PROUD AND HAS DEEP GRATITUDE AND RECOGNITION FOR GOVERNMENT COMMUNICATORS, PROFESSIONALISM, DEDICATION, HARD WORK, COMMITMENT, ENTHUSIASM, AND SACRIFICE.

NOW, THEREFORE, RALPH GUTIERREZ, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF SHIRTS DOES HEREBY PROCLAIM FEBRUARY 21ST, 2025 IS GOVERNMENT COMMUNICATORS DAY, URS, TEXAS, AND ENCOURAGES ALL RESIDENTS TO THANK THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AFFAIRS DEPARTMENT WHO HAVE DEDICATED THEIR CAREERS TO ENSURE THE CITY OF URS HAS EFFECTIVE, IMPACTFUL, AND SUCCESSFUL COMMUNICATION STRATEGIES THAT RESONATE AND ARE RELEVANT.

CONGRATULATIONS.

ALL RIGHT, WELL, THANK YOU MAYOR.

THANK YOU CITY COUNCIL FOR, UM, RECOGNIZING GOVERNMENT COMMUNICATORS DAY.

UM, UH, GOT MY TEAM UP HERE.

UM, WOULD LIKE TO THANK THEM FOR ALL OF THE WORK THAT THEY DO, UH, TO KEEP THE CITY INFORMED ON CITY SERVICES, CITY CELEBRATIONS, UM, EMERGENCIES LIKE WEATHER, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

UM, I CAN SAY THAT WE HONESTLY ALL LOVE WHAT WE DO.

UM, IT'S A JOY TO SERVE THE RESIDENTS OF SHIRTS AND WE APPRECIATE THE RECOGNITION FOR THE WORK THAT, THAT WE DO.

SO, THANK YOU.

THANK, THANK YOU.

OH, THAT, OH, THAT.

THANK YOU.

THE, I JUST WANNA ADD THE, UH, COMMUNICATION IS VERY IMPORTANT, UH, GETTING THE MESSAGE OUT TO OUR RESIDENTS AND OUR COMMUNITY.

AND I JUST WANNA THANK THE PUBLIC AFFAIRS FOR THE STATE OF THE UNION VIDEO.

UH, C CREATIVITY WAS AWESOME.

UH, IT GOT THE MESSAGE OUT WHILE HA WHILE PUTTING SMILES ON OUR FACES TOO.

AND THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.

THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH.

ALRIGHT, WE'LL

[ City Events and Announcements Announcements of upcoming City Events (B. James/S. Gonzalez) Announcements and recognitions by the City Manager (S. Williams) Announcements and recognitions by the Mayor (R. Gutierrez)]

ANNOUNCEMENTS OF UPCOMING EVENTS.

MR. JAMES.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UH, JUST A REMINDER, THIS COMING SATURDAY TENTATIVELY AT THIS POINT, FEBRUARY 22ND, IS THE CLEAN, CLEAN THE CREEK EVENT.

THAT'S 8:00 AM TO 11:00 AM IN CUTOFF PARK AT 9 0 9 NORTH FM 1518.

ALL AGE IS WELCOME.

OBVIOUSLY CHECK WITH OUR WEBSITE 'CAUSE THE WEATHER DOESN'T LOOK GREAT.

DO RAIN.

THAT'S NOT THE BEST TIME TO CLEAN THE CREEK.

UH, SUNDAY, FEBRUARY 23RD, WE HAVE THE NATURE SCAVENGER HUNT.

THAT'S AT 3:30 PM AT CRESCENT BEND NATURE PARK, 12 7 80 WEST SCHAEFER ROAD.

AGAIN, ALL AGES.

WELCOME.

UH, SATURDAY, MARCH 1ST WE HAVE THE KICK CANCER PEP RALLY IN 5K FOR 2025, 8:00 AM TO 11:00 AM AT PICK ROLL PARK, 7 0 3 OAK STREET.

UM, CHECK-IN REGISTRATION BEGINS AT SEVEN 30, THE WELCOME WARMUP AT EIGHT 30.

AND THEN THE WALK RUN BEGINS AT NINE.

BUT AGAIN, YOU CAN REGISTER FOR THAT AT THE CITY WEBSITE.

AND OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING IS TWO WEEKS FROM NOW.

MARCH 4TH, 6:00 PM HERE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS.

THANK YOU MR. JAMES.

ALL RIGHT.

ANNOUNCEMENTS AND RECOGNITIONS BY OUR CITY MANAGER, MR. WILLIAMS. THANK YOU MAYOR.

COUPLE OF KUDOS.

OUR LIBRARY GOT AN AWARD FROM THE TEXAS MUNICIPAL LIBRARY DIRECTORS ASSOCIATION AND THEY WERE AWARDED THE 2024 ACHIEVEMENT OF EXCELLENCE IN LIBRARIES AWARD.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? OUT OF THE 542 PUBLIC LIBRARY SYSTEMS IN TEXAS, WE WERE ONE OF ONLY 102 THAT EARNED THIS DISTINCTION AND PLACES OUR LIBRARY IN THE TOP 19% OF ALL PUBLIC LIBRARIES

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SO GREAT JOB OF THE LIBRARY.

AND THEN ALSO OUR OWN, OUR OWN HR DIRECTOR EARNED THREE CERTIFICATIONS, UH, PUBLIC SECTOR HUMAN RESOURCES ASSOCIATION, UH, WAS JESSICA EARNED HER SENIOR CERTIFIED PROFESSIONAL DESIGNATION IN THE SOCIETY FOR HUMAN RESOURCES MANAGEMENT SENIOR CERTIFIED PROFESSIONAL.

ALSO AS THE SAME SIMILAR DESIGNATION IN HER HR CERTIFICATION INSTITUTE, SHE EARNED A SENIOR PROFESSIONAL IN HUMAN RESOURCES.

SO KUDOS TO JESSICA FOR THOSE THREE DESIGNATIONS AND STEPPING UP.

AND LASTLY, THE MAYOR KIND OF MENTIONED THIS, BUT GREAT JOB FOR PUBLIC AFFAIRS FOR THE STATE OF THE CITY VIDEO, AND I ENCOURAGE ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO WATCH THAT IT IS ON OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL.

AND YOU CAN JUST GO INTO THE SEARCH BAR AND TYPE IN SHIRTS, STATE OF THE CITY 2025 AND GIVE IT A WATCH.

IT'S A LOT OF FUN.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU MR. WILLIAMS. ALL RIGHT.

ANNOUNCEMENTS AND RECOGNITIONS BY THE MAYOR.

I HAVE NONE AT THIS TIME, SO WE'LL MOVE ON.

NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS THE HEARING THE RESIDENCE.

[ Hearing of Residents This time is set aside for any person who wishes to address the City Council. Each person should fill out the speaker’s register prior to the meeting. Presentations should be limited to no more than 3 minutes. All remarks shall be addressed to the Council as a body, and not to any individual member thereof. Any person making personal, impertinent, or slanderous remarks while addressing the Council may be requested to leave the meeting. All handouts and/or USB devices must be submitted to the City Secretary no later than noon on the Monday preceding the meeting. Handouts will be provided to each Councilmember prior to the start of the meeting by the City Secretary. All USB devices will be vetted by City IT staff to ensure City property is protected from malware. Discussion by the Council of any item not on the agenda shall be limited to statements of specific factual information given in response to any inquiry, a recitation of existing policy in response to an inquiry, and/or a proposal to place the item on a future agenda. The presiding officer, during the Hearing of Residents portion of the agenda, will call on those persons who have signed up to speak in the order they have registered.]

EACH PERSON IS LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES, AND WE ASK BEFORE ADDRESSING THE COUNCIL FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

MAYOR PRO TE PLEASE CALL.

FIRST SPEAKER.

FIRST SPEAKER IS MR. DANA ELDRIDGE BRIDGE, 2 6 2 8 GALLUP FOX DRIVE CHURCH, TEXAS 7 8 1 0 8.

NICE TO SEE YOU BACK, MR. SANTI.

UM, I'M HERE IN REGARDS TO THE TEMPORARY SIGNS I SPOKE LAST WEEK OR TWO WEEKS AGO.

UM, AND I WAS CHECKING THE AGENDA AND I SAW IT WAS ON THERE.

AGAIN, I THINK THIS IS NOT A GOOD IDEA.

UM, A LITTLE MORE.

I TALKED TO SEVERAL PEOPLE, UH, DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES, UH, WITHIN THE C DIFFERENT PHILOSOPHIES WITHIN THE C CITY.

UM, ONE OF MY MAIN QUESTIONS IS, HOW ARE WE GONNA PROVIDE FOR MAKING SURE THAT SOMEBODY'S NOT OVERSTEPPING THEIR BOUNDS WITH TEMPORARY SIGNS? UH, OUR CITY OFFICES HERE ON CHURCH PARKWAY.

CHURCH PARKWAY LEADING FROM 35 ON DOWN HERE.

WE HAVE A AREA RIGHT NEXT TO US THAT HAS, I COUNTED 19, SOMEBODY TOLD ME 17.

SO GIVE OR TAKE SIX SIGNS.

YOU GOT POSSIBILITY OF 51 SIGNS AT ONE TIME, OR A POSSIBILITY OF, UH, 17 SIGNS FOR 120 DAYS.

OR IF SOMEBODY DECIDES THEY GET TOGETHER, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SIX OR SEVEN SIGNS ALL YEAR ROUND.

WRITING THIS ONE LEADING UP TO THE CITY OFFICES, AN TACKY LOOK, IF WE'RE TRYING TO BE REPRESENTATION OF THIS SIDE OF TOWN, TRYING TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS DOING THINGS RIGHT, PUTTING SOMETHING LIKE THIS FORWARD, I DON'T THINK IS A GOOD IDEA FOR OUR CITY.

UM, CHANCES OF VANDALISM TO THE SIGNS, CHANCES OF DISTRACTION CAUSING ACCIDENTS, WE START LOOKING AT THAT.

WE LOOK AT THE TIME THAT'S BEEN EXPENDED BY STAFF AND TRYING TO GET THIS ALL SET UP.

THIS IS WHAT THEIR FOURTH OR FIFTH APPEARANCE BEFORE COUNSEL IN REGARDS TO THIS PROJECT.

UM, I THINK WE'VE GONE FAR ENOUGH.

SO I REQUEST FROM CITY COUNCIL THAT TONIGHT THIS PROJECT GETS VOTED DOWN AND WE DON'T SEE IT ON A CALENDAR ANYMORE.

THE NEXT SPEAKER IS MS. MICHELLE TURLESKI, MICHELLE KY 7 0 5 MARYLAND DRIVE.

AND IT'S A GOOD THING.

I DON'T HAVE A PREPARED SPEECH.

I'M JUST GONNA TALK OFF THE CUFF.

19 YEARS AGO YOU HAD THIS ORDINANCE AND THE REASON WHY THIS ORDINANCE CAME ABOUT WAS BECAUSE OF THAT STRIP MALL OVER THERE.

NOW Y'ALL WEREN'T HERE AND SOME OF YOU WEREN'T EVEN BORN.

AND THE REASON BEING WAS, UH, BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE PUTTING UP ALL KINDS OF

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NOW YOU WANNA MAKE MY AREA LOOK LIKE YOU, UH, CAR LOTS WITH YOUR FLAGS.

NOW I UNDERSTAND SMALL BUSINESS AND I'M FOR SMALL BUSINESSES TOTALLY.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DESCRIPTION IS BECAUSE I WORK FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WITH CONTRACTS.

SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT A SMALL BUSINESS IS AND WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO AND NOT DO.

BUT LET ME TELL YOU, WHETHER YOU'RE SMALL BUSINESS OR A BIG BUSINESS, IF YOU'VE GOT A GOOD PRODUCT OR GOOD SERVICE AT A REASONABLE RATE THAT SOMEBODY WANTS TO PAY, YOU'RE GONNA SURVIVE.

IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT UP AN ESTABLISHMENT WHERE THERE'S ALREADY FIVE SAME ESTABLISHMENTS IN THE AREA, CHANCES ARE YOU BETTER HAVE A GOOD PRODUCT.

WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO? WHENEVER SOMEBODY LEASES A CIVIC CENTER OVER HERE, ESPECIALLY THE REPTILE PEOPLE, ARE THEY GONNA BE ABLE TO PUT UP A FLAG AND SAY, BUY TWO SNAKES, GET A LIZARD FREE BECAUSE THEY'RE A BUSINESS.

I WENT UP TO HEB SATURDAY AND I WENT OUT THAT WAY.

AND RIGHT IN THE MEDIAN WAS TWO SIGNS ACROSS FROM ASHLEY IN THE CITY'S MEDIAN REAL ESTATE.

NICE LITTLE SIGN WITH HER PICTURE ON IT, ARROW POINTING, OPEN HOUSE.

IS THAT WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE FACED WITH? THAT'S WHAT WE HAD.

AND THAT'S WHY THIS ORDINANCE WAS GONE OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN AT THAT TIME.

MAIN STREET.

OH, LET ME BACK UP.

NAME ME A BUSINESS THAT DOESN'T HAVE A SIGN ALREADY UP OR THEIR NAME ON THE BUILDING.

AND IF I WANNA GO AND HAVE PIZZA, I'M GONNA LOOK IT UP AND SAY, WHERE'S THE PIZZA PLACES HERE IN TOWN? I'M NOT GONNA RUN UP AND DOWN THE STREETS LOOKING FOR A SIGN GOING PIZZA, PIZZA TWO FOR ONE.

OKAY, I I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT Y'ALL PROBABLY WENT UP THERE AND SAW THOSE FLAGS UP THERE AT THAT NEW FURNITURE PLACE AND SAY, OH, THIS IS A GOOD IDEA.

WHAT WE NEED IS COLORFUL FLAGS SITTING OUT IN FRONT OF, OF THE PUBLIC IN SHIRTS.

IT'S BAD ENOUGH THAT WE HAVE LIGHTS AND LOUD MUSIC TILL TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING ON MAIN STREET GLARING YOU COME UP OVER FROM 78.

AND I THOUGHT ONE NIGHT I, I STOPPED FOR SURE AT THE STOP SIGN AND WAITED ANOTHER FIVE MINUTES BECAUSE I WAS EXPECTING A LITTLE CAR TO COME AROUND THE CORNER WITH 15 PEOPLE IN IT WITH LITTLE, LITTLE COLLARS AND RED NOSES.

THAT MUSIC IS SO LOUD.

THE LIGHTS WERE SO BLARING.

IF THEY HAD PLAYED DIFFERENT MUSIC, WHICH IS COUNTRY WESTERN, THEY'D BE CALLED A HONKY TONK IN WEST TEXAS.

THANK YOU.

I'M AGAINST THIS.

THAT'S ALL MAYOR.

ALRIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON.

NEXT IS THE CONSENT AGENDA.

ITEMS

[ Consent Agenda Items The Consent Agenda is considered self-explanatory and will be enacted by the Council with one motion. There will be no separate discussion of these items unless they are removed from the Consent Agenda upon the request of the Mayor or a Councilmember.]

THESE ITEMS REQUIRE NO SEPARATE DISCUSSION UNLESS REQUESTED BY COUNSEL.

ITEM NUMBER ONE MINUTES.

ITEM NUMBER TWO, RESOLUTION NUMBER 25 R 0 0 3.

ITEM NUMBER THREE, RESOLUTION NUMBER 25 R 0 2 2.

ITEM NUMBER FOUR, RESOLUTION NUMBER 25 R 0 2 3.

ITEM NUMBER FIVE, RESOLUTION NUMBER 25 R 0 0 8.

ITEM NUMBER SIX, RESOLUTION NUMBER 25 R 0 0 4.

AND ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, RESOLUTION NUMBER 25 R 0 2 9.

COUNSEL, DO ANY OF THESE NEED TO BE REMOVED FOR A SEPARATE ACTION? SEE, NO COMMENT.

IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS ONE THROUGH SEVEN SOME SECOND.

MOTION TO APPROVE.

SECOND.

OKAY, WHO MADE THE MOTION? COUNCIL MEMBER BROWN.

COUNCIL MEMBER BROWN, UH, MADE THE MOTION.

SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER MAYOR PEARL TEMP HAYWARD COUNCIL, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

WE CAN PUBLISH THE VOTE PLEASE.

WE HAVE SIX AYES, NO OBJECTIONS.

MOTION PASSES.

ALRIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON.

WE HAVE DISCUSSION ITEMS.

[8. Resolution 25-R-027 - Authorizing the Schertz/Seguin Local Government Corporation to issue debt for capital projects (S.Gonzalez/B.James/A.McBride/L.Busch/J.Walters)]

MR. WALTERS FLOOR IS YOURS.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS JAMES WALTERS.

I'M THE FINANCE DIRECTOR HERE AT THE CITY OF SHIRTZ.

UH, TONIGHT I GET TO INTRODUCE, UH, TWO INDIVIDUALS FROM SAMCO, WHO'S THE FINANCIAL ADVISORS OF THE CITY, AND, UH, THE SHIRT SEEKING LOCAL GOVERNMENT CORPORATION WHO ARE ASSISTING US AND THE CORPORATION IN ISSUING THESE BONDS FOR INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS.

HERE WE HAVE, UH, THE LINNEYS,

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MY NAME'S MARK MCCLINNEY, SAMCO CAPITAL MARKETS.

JACK MCCLINNEY, SAMCO CAPITAL MARKETS IS WITH ME.

UH, WE'VE ALREADY BRIEFED YOU MORE THAN ONCE, SO I'LL TRY TO BE QUICK.

UH, TODAY IS A FORMAL ACTION AUTHORIZING SHE SINE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CORPORATION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THEIR BORROWING, WHICH IS PLANNED FOR MARCH 5TH.

SINE IS TAKING ACTION TONIGHT ALSO.

AND JUST AS A REMINDER, SHIRT SINE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CORPORATION CANNOT BORROW WITHOUT BOTH COUNCILS APPROVING.

SO WE'RE MOVING FORWARD.

WE'RE HERE TWO WEEKS AGO.

WE KIND OF BRIEFED YOU ON THIS PROCESS.

UH, TONIGHT IS AUTHORIZING THE SHIRT SINE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CORPORATION TO PROCEED.

UH, AND, UH, IF EVERYTHING GOES AS PLANNED, WHICH I'M SURE IT WILL, WE WILL BE, UH, WORKING WITH THE MAYOR AND MR. WILLIAMS ON GETTING THINGS SIGNED ON MARCH 5TH.

SO, HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS OR DIVE INTO THE SPECIFICS OF THE ACTUAL RESOLUTION.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT, COUNCIL FLOORS OPEN FOR DISCUSSION.

ANY COMMENTS? DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ANY.

UH, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION? NOVEMBER 25 R 0 2 7.

SO MOVED.

SECOND, HAVE MOTION MADE BY MAYOR PRO TEMP HAYWARD AND SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER WATSON COUNCIL.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.

WE CAN PUBLISH THE VOTE, PLEASE.

WE HAVE SIX.

AYE NO OBJECTIONS.

MOTION PASSES.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

THANK YOU COUNSEL.

ALRIGHT, WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER NINE,

[9. Resolution 25-R-021 - Authorizing the approval of a Development Agreement with BFR LLC for the approximately 30 acre tract at FM 1518 and Woman Hollering Road (S.Williams/B.James)]

THIS ITEM HAS BEEN TABLED AND WILL APPEAR ON OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING FOR ACTION.

SO THERE'S NO ACTION REQUIRED AT THIS TIME.

ITEM NUMBER 10,

[10. Resolution 25-R-005 - Approving a Utility Service Extension Request for the Woman Hollering Townhomes (B.James/K.Woodlee)]

THIS ALL ITEM HAS ALSO BEEN TABLED AND WILL APPEAR AT OUR NEXT MEETING FOR MARCH 4TH.

NO ACTION REQUIRED AT THIS TIME.

SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 11.

ORDINANCE

[11. Ordinance 25-S-004 - Consider amendments to Part III of the Schertz Code of Ordinances, Unified Development Code (UDC), to Article 11, Section 21.11.6 Prohibited Signs and Section 21.11.17 Temporary Signs (B.James/L.Wood/E.Delgado)]

CONSIDER AMENDMENTS TO PART THREE OF THE SHIRT'S, CODE OF ORDINANCES, UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE UDC TWO, ARTICLE 11, SECTION 21 11 6, PROHIBITED SIGNS AND SECTION 21 11 17.

TEMPORARY SIGNS, MS. DELGADO FLOOR IS YOURS.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNSEL.

THIS IS FOR ORDINANCE 25 S 0 0 4.

TEMPORARY SIGNS.

EMILY DELGADO, PLANNING MANAGER FOR THOSE KEEPING TRACK.

THIS IS TAKE FIVE FOR TEMPORARY SIGNS.

SO FINGERS CROSSED TONIGHT AS SOME BACKGROUND.

SO ON NOVEMBER 12TH, NOVEMBER 19TH, STAFF CAME AND GAVE, UH, WORKSHOP PRESENTATIONS.

WE DID THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE ON DECEMBER 18TH AND ACTUALLY HELD THAT PUBLIC HEARING ON JANUARY 7TH FOR THIS ORDINANCE.

AT THE JANUARY 7TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

IT WAS MADE CLEAR THAT THERE WAS A DESIRE AMONGST COUNCIL TO ALLOW FEATHER FLAGS IN SOME CAPACITY.

AND THEN ON FEBRUARY 4TH WE GAVE ANOTHER PRESENTATION WITH A NEW PROPOSAL THAT WOULD ALLOW FEATHER FLAGS AND HAD A NEW CONCEPT OF THAT REOCCURRING EVENT PERMIT.

BUT ULTIMATELY, CITY COUNCIL DID MOTION TO TABLE THAT ITEM TO TONIGHT TO PROVIDE MORE OPTIONS.

SO THAT IS WHAT WE ARE HERE TO DO.

SO JUST TO REFOCUS THIS, RIGHT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE TWO TYPES OF TEMPORARY SIGNS SPECIFICALLY.

SO THERE'S THE FEATHER FLAGS AND THEN OUR INFLATABLE BALLOON GUY, SOME EXAMPLES OF SIGNAGE THAT I'VE SHOWN BEFORE.

BUT JUST WANNA KIND OF KEEP THIS IN MIND THAT THIS IS KIND OF THE, THE IMAGE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

SO GOING THROUGH THE OPTIONS, I WANNA RUN THROUGH THE OPTIONS THAT WE'VE PRESENTED PREVIOUSLY, AND THEN THERE'S A NEW OPTION FOR, FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING AS WELL.

SO THE FIRST ONE IS THE AMENDMENT THAT WAS PROPOSED ON THE NOVEMBER 19TH WORKSHOP.

IT INCREASED THE OVERALL HEIGHT AND AREA THE HEIGHT, UM, UP TO SIX FEET, AND THE MAXIMUM AREA BEING 36.

AND THEN THE CREATION OF A SPECIAL EVENT PROMOTION, TEMPORARY SIGN.

THE THOUGHT PROCESS ON THIS ONE WAS TO ALLOW FOR AN ADDITIONAL INCREASED SIGNAGE, BUT SPECIFICALLY FOR SPECIAL EVENTS OR PROMOTIONS, NOT JUST FOR ANY TIME.

SO ANY BUSINESS CAN APPLY FOR SPECIAL EVENT PROMOTION.

TEMPORARY SIGNAGE IN ADDITION TO THE TEMPORARY SIGNS DESCRIBED ABOVE WITH THE FOLLOWING REQUIREMENTS.

THERE'S NO MAXIMUM AREA, MAXIMUM HEIGHT OR LIMITATION ON THE NUMBER OF SPECIAL EVENT PROMOTION, TEMPORARY SIGNS THAT CAN BE PERMITTED.

AND SPECIAL EVENT PROMOTION.

TEMPORARY SIGNS ARE PERMITTED FOR A MAXIMUM OF 30 CONSECUTIVE DAYS PER CALENDAR YEAR WITH THE ISSUANCE OF A TEMPORARY SIGN PERMIT.

SO THAT WAS AT NOVEMBER 19TH.

PROPOSAL.

THOSE ARE THE RED LINES.

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SO THEN THE JANUARY 7TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING, WE CAME BACK WITH A PROPOSAL THAT FEATHER FLAGS AND BALLOON SIGNS WOULD BE OUTRIGHT PROHIBITED REGARDLESS OF SIZE.

SO THIS WAS A CHANGE, UM, BASED OFF OF COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED AT THE WORKSHOP THAT MAYBE INFLATABLE AND BLUE SIGNS REALLY WEREN'T DESIRED.

IT STILL HAD THAT PROPOSED INCREASE IN AREA TO 36 SQUARE FEET AND INCREASE IN HEIGHT TO SIX FEET, BUT THERE WERE NO OTHER CHANGES AT THE FEBRUARY 4TH PROPOSAL.

THE BALLOON SIGNS WOULD STILL BE PROHIBITED, PROHIBITED, BUT FEATHER FLAGS WOULD BE ALLOWED.

SO THAT'S THAT P UP AT THE TOP.

BALLOON SIGNS, INCLUDING INFLATABLE SIGNS ARE PROHIBITED REGARDLESS OF SIZE.

FEATHER FLAGS ARE THE ONLY TYPE OF WIND-DRIVEN SIGNS ALLOWED IN THIS PROPOSAL.

WE WERE TRYING TO CREATE KIND OF A COMPROMISE.

SO THERE WOULD BE, UM, A MAXIMUM AREA OF 24 SQUARE FEET FOR ALL OTHER TEMPORARY SIGNS EXCEPT FEATHER FLAGS THAT ARE LIMITED TO 16 SQUARE FEET.

THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT WAS ACTUALLY PROPOSED TO BE STANDARDIZED TO FOUR FEET EXCEPT FEATHER FLAGS THAT COULD BE EIGHT FEET IN HEIGHT.

OTHER CHANGES IN THE FEBRUARY 4TH PROPOSAL WAS TO CHANGE THE MAXIMUM DAYS PER CALENDAR YEAR FROM 180, REDUCE THAT TO 120.

IN ADDITION, THE, UM, ADDITION THAT TEMPORARY SIGN PERMITS WOULD BE ISSUED FOR 30 DAY INCREMENTS.

THAT WAS A NEW PROPOSAL.

AND THEN TO, WE DECREASE THE NUMBER OF DAYS, BUT WE PROPOSED TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF TEMPORARY SIGNS.

SO THAT'S THAT.

NO MORE THAN THREE TYPES OF TEMPORARY SIGNS SHALL BE PERMITTED PER BUSINESS AT ANY GIVEN TIME.

AND THEN THE FEBRUARY 4TH PROPOSAL HAD THAT NEW IDEA OF THAT RECURRING EVENT PERMIT.

A RECURRING EVENT PERMIT IS FOR TEMPORARY SIGNS THAT WILL BE ISSUED IN TWO DAY INCREMENTS FOR UP TO 15 TIMES PER YEAR.

THE APPLICANT REQUESTING A REOCCURRING EVENT PERMIT MUST IDENTIFY WHICH 15 TWO DAY INCREMENTS.

THEY INTEND TO HAVE THE TEMPORARY SIGNS WHEN APPLYING FOR THE INITIAL PERMIT.

AND THOSE SELECTED DATES CAN BE MODIFIED AS DATES CHANGE WITH THE PRIOR APPROVAL.

THE THOUGHT PROCESS ON THAT REOCCURRING EVENT WAS THANK YOUR FISH FRIES.

THOSE EVENTS THAT HAPPEN THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, THEY'D BE ABLE TO GET AN ADDITIONAL TEMPORARY SIGN.

SO THEN TONIGHT'S PROPOSAL IS KIND OF A MASHUP OF A LOT OF THOSE.

SO OUTRIGHT PROHIBIT THE BALLOON SIGNS, INCLUDING INFLATABLE SIGNS, INCREASE THE MAXIMUM AREA TO 36 SQUARE FEET, INCREASE THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT TO SIX FEET, AND THEN KEEPING WITH THOSE TIME LIMITATIONS OF 120 DAYS PER CALENDAR YEAR.

AND THAT TEMPORARY SIGNS WOULD BE ISSUED FOR 30 DAY INCREMENTS.

SO THAT'S ALL FAIRLY SIMILAR, SIMILAR TO PREVIOUS PROPOSALS.

AND THEN THERE'S THREE OPTIONS THAT COULD BE, UM, CREATED FOR THE FEATHER FLAGS PIECE.

SO OPTION NUMBER ONE, FEATHER FLAGS ARE CONSIDERED TEMPORARY SIGNS AND ARE REQUIRED TO FOLLOW ALL TEMPORARY SIGN REGULATIONS AS DEFINED IN UDC.

ARTICLE 11 SUBSECTIONS A THROUGH F.

SO IF OPTION ONE WAS SELECTED, FEATHER FLAGS WOULDN'T HAVE THEIR OWN SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS.

THEY WOULD JUST BE BOUND TO WHAT YOU SEE HERE, A THROUGH F.

SO THEY COULDN'T HAVE ADDITIONAL TEMPORARY SIGNS.

IF THEY HAD TWO FEATHER FLAGS, THOSE WOULD BE THEIR TWO TEMPORARY SIGNS.

OPTION NUMBER TWO IS A LITTLE MORE LENIENT, SO IT'D BE FEATHER FLAGS ARE CONSIDERED TEMPORARY SIGNS, BUT DO NOT REQUIRE A PERMIT TO BE OBTAINED.

FEATHER FLAGS ARE PERMITTED FOR A MAXIMUM OF 120 CONSECUTIVE CALENDAR DAYS PER YEAR.

MAXIMUM NUMBER OF FEATHER FLAGS IS TWO PER BUSINESS.

ANY FEATHER FLAG SIGN IN DISREPAIR POOR CONDITIONS SUCH AS FRAYING, FADING, OR RIPS AND TEAR SHALL BE EITHER REPLACED OR REMOVED OR A SUBJECT TO VIOLATION.

SO THIS WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO THE TEMPORARY SIGNS THAT THEY COULD HAVE USING SUBSECTIONS A THROUGH F.

AND THEN OPTION NUMBER THREE.

SO WIND-DRIVEN SIGNS, INCLUDING FEATHER FLAGS, ARE CONSIDERED TEMPORARY SIGNS AND ARE REQUIRE A TEMPORARY SIGN PERMIT.

FEATHER FLAGS ARE PERMITTED FOR A MAXIMUM OF 30 CONSECUTIVE DAYS AT A TIME.

ONCE A 30 CALENDAR DAYS HAVE BEEN MET.

THE PROPERTY OWNER'S RESPONSIBLE FOR REMOVAL OF THE FEATHER FLAG.

NO ADDITIONAL TEMPORARY SIGNS SIGNED PERMITS FOR FEATHER FLAGS SHALL BE ISSUED FOR THE SAME BUSINESS FOR A PERIOD OF 30 DAYS AFTER THE EXPIRATION OF THE PREVIOUS PERMIT.

SO BASICALLY THEY CAN HAVE FEATHER FLAGS FOR 30 DAYS AND THEN HAVE TO TAKE THEM OUT OF THEIR PROPERTY FOR 30 DAYS BEFORE THEY CAN REAPPLY.

FEATHER FLAGS ARE PERMITTED FOR A MAXIMUM OF 120 CALENDAR DAYS PER YEAR.

MAXIMUM NUMBER OF FEATHER FLAGS IS TWO PER BUSINESS.

AND THEN AGAIN, ANY FEATHER FLAG SIGN IN DISREPAIR POOR CONDITION, UM, MUST BE REMOVED OR SUBJECT TO VIOLATION.

SO VERY SIMILAR TO THE PRESENTATION ON THE FOURTH, AGAIN, WE'RE WORKING ON THAT FULL UDC ARTICLE 11 REWRITE.

SO WE'RE NOT ACTING FOR, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR FORMAL ACTION ON THIS ORDINANCE.

WE WOULD PREFER THAT WE JUST GET DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL AND THEN WE WOULD INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE FULL UDC ARTICLE 11 REWRITE.

THANK YOU MS. DELGADO.

UH, BEFORE I OPEN IT UP TO COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, OUR CITY VALUES THE SUCCESS OF LOCAL BUSINESSES

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CLEAR AND VISIBLE SIGNAGE IS A VITAL TOOL FOR BUSINESSES TO ATTRACT CUSTOMERS AND THRIVE AT THE SAME TIME.

PRESERVING THE CITY'S CLEAN AND CO COHESIVE AESTHETICS IS ESSENTIAL TO MAINTAINING PROPERTY VALUES AND THE OVERALL QUALITY OF LIFE FOR RESIDENTS AND VISITORS ALIKE.

A WORLD STRUCTURED SIGN ORDINANCE PROVIDES BALANCE BY ALLOWING BUSINESSES TO EFFECTIVELY PROMOTE THEMSELVES WHILE SETTING REASONABLE GUIDELINES TO PREVENT VISUAL CLUTTER AND MAINTAINING THE CITY'S CHARACTER.

THIS APPROACH ENSURES BUSINESSES CAN STAND OUT WITHOUT COMPROMISING THE BEAUTY AND THE APPEAL OF THE SHARED PUBLIC SHARED, UH, PUBLIC SPACES.

YOU KNOW, BY WORKING TOGETHER TO ESTABLISH A A THOUGHTFUL ORDINANCE, WE CAN CREATE THE ENVIRONMENT WHERE BUSINESSES FLOURISH AND OUR CITY RETAINS ITS UNIQUE CHARM.

AND THAT IS A CHALLENGE.

THIS COUNCIL HAS TO FIND THAT PERFECT BALANCE.

AND WITH THAT, UH, WE'LL OPEN UP TO COUNCIL AND SEE EXACTLY WHAT OTHER INPUT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE OR THE DIRECTION THAT YOU ARE SEEKING MS. DELGADO, SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS ORDINANCE.

WITH THAT COUNCIL FLOORS OPEN FOR DISCUSSION.

COUNCIL MEMBER BROWN, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR PUTTING UP WITH OUR, UH, CHANGES EVERY, EVERY COUPLE OF WEEKS.

UH, I'M GOOD WITH THE, UH, UH, THE SIGNAGE AS FAR AS THE SIZE AND LOCATION AND EVERYTHING ELSE AT THIS POINT.

I DO THINK THAT THE, UH, THE NUMBER OF TOTAL DAYS IS PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT TOO MUCH.

UH, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY REASON TO HAVE 120 OR 140 DAYS, UH, IN A, IN A CALENDAR YEAR FOR ANY, UH, SMALL BUSINESS.

BUT I AM VERY, YOU KNOW, ADAMANT THAT A SMALL BUSINESS NEEDS, ESPECIALLY LIKE ON A GRAND OPENING OR THE OCCASIONAL MAJOR CHANGE, UH, THAT THEY MAY HAVE GOING ON, THAT THEY, THEY NEED A LITTLE EXTRA ATTENTION AND, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, TO, TO DO THAT AND, AND KEEP IT IN LINE WITH EVERYTHING ELSE THAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE, I THINK IS FAIR.

OKAY.

BEFORE I, UH, RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER ALISO, UH, IF NOT 120 DAYS, WHAT WOULD YOUR SUGGESTION BE? PROBABLY SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF A, UH, YOU KNOW, A GRAND OPENING.

YOU DON'T NEED ANY MORE THAN TWO WEEKS, 14 DAYS, SOMEWHERE IN THERE.

UH, YOU KNOW, AT, AT A SINGLE TIME IN A, ON A MAXIMUM OF 30 DAYS A YEAR.

OKAY.

AND THAT'S PROBABLY AT THE FAR END OF THINGS, BUT STILL, AGAIN, A SMALL BUSINESS.

AND I'M TALKING ABOUT MICRO BUSINESSES, SMALL BUSINESSES.

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT LOWE'S AND HEB OR YOU KNOW, BOB MILLS.

UH, EITHER.

SO .

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, COUNCIL MEMBER MACALUSO.

YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY I THINK IT'S DRAGGED OUT SO MUCH BECAUSE WE DO HAVE, YOU KNOW, A DIFFERENCE OF OPINIONS UP HERE.

AND SO WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE A CONSENSUS, IT MAKES YOUR GUYS' JOB A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT.

UM, YOU KNOW, I I I'VE, I'VE GIVEN IT A LOT OF CONSIDERATION AND I, AND I, I UNDERSTAND THE SMALL BUSINESS NEED TO HAVE, UH, SOME SIGNAGE, BUT, YOU KNOW, NOT ALLOWING FEATHER FLAGS AND BALLOONS DOESN'T KEEP THEM FROM STILL HAVING A TEMPORARY SIGN.

AND SO I SENT, UM, MS. DELGADO SOME PICTURES OF, UH, FROM, UH, ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES.

AND OBVIOUSLY I KNOW THAT SOME ARE, ARE GONNA BE NICER THAN OTHERS, BUT I MEAN, DO WE WANT THAT OFF OF SHEZ PARKWAY? UH, I MEAN, DO WE WANNA SEE FLAGS LIKE THAT WHEN WE'RE DRIVING DOWN 3 0 0 9? UH, I KNOW.

I DON'T, AND I DON'T THINK THE MAJORITY OF THE CITIZENS DO.

AND YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE WE'RE ESSENTIALLY GONNA HAVE TO GO OFF OF, YOU KNOW, GOOD FAITH THAT THE BUSINESSES WILL REMOVE THEM WHEN THEY'RE ASKED TO.

I MEAN, ARE WE GONNA SEND THE CITY STAFF OUT TO GO POLICE 'EM ALL? PROBABLY NOT.

I MEAN, I'M SURE THEY HAVE A LOT OF OTHER THINGS TO DO.

SO I MYSELF WOULD, WOULD JUST PREFER TO KEEP IT TO WHERE WE DON'T HAVE THE FEATHER FLAGS.

WE DON'T HAVE THE BALLOONS GOOD WITH THE OTHER CHANGES THAT THEY MADE ON THE TEMPORARY SIGNS AND THE, AND THE SIZES.

BUT, UH, I MYSELF JUST PREFER TO STAY AWAY FROM THOSE COUNCIL MEMBER WATSON.

I AM SATISFIED WITH OPTION ONE, WITH IT STILL BEING 10 TO 14, YOU KNOW, DAYS FOR THE BUSINESSES TO HAVE UP.

WHEN YOU SAY OPTION ONE, DO YOU MEAN THE VERY FIRST YES, THE NOVEMBER 19TH ONE OR THE,

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OKAY.

SO THAT THE FEATHER FLAGS WOULD JUST BE CONSIDERED TEMPORARY SIGNS AND, AND WOULD MEET THESE REQUIREMENTS HERE.

OKAY.

MAYOR, MAYOR PRO TEMP HAYWARD.

I WOULD CONCUR WITH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER MACALUSO.

I'M NOT GONNA GO ON TO MY SPEECH ABOUT IT AGAIN.

SO I JUST CONCUR WITH HIM.

IT'S NOT AGAINST SMALL BUSINESSES AT ALL, IS THE LOOK THAT I AM GOING FOR, FOR THE CITY OF CHURCHS COUNCIL MEMBER GUERRERO.

I AM ALSO, UM, I AM FOR SMALL BUSINESSES AND, UM, THEY DO NEED TO FLOURISH IN, IN SOME SORT OF WAY.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE NOTICED, UH, NOWADAYS IS THAT THE MAJORITY OF OUR, OF OUR PEOPLE NOW HAVE A PHONE AND THEY'RE ONLINE ENORMOUSLY.

AND YOU CAN LOOK ANYTHING UP ONLINE AND FIND WHATEVER YOU WANT.

UM, I WAS DRIVING BY NACODOCHES NOT TOO LONG AGO, DRIVING BY A COUPLE OTHER STREETS IN SAN ANTONIO AND IT LOOKS VERY TACKY TO HAVE SIGNS, UM, TO FIND A HAPPY MEDIUM.

'CAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE DIFFERENCES OF OPINION.

IF THERE IS A SMALL BUSINESS THAT'S OPENING, AND I AGREE WITH, UH, WITH COUNCILMAN TIM BROWN, 14 DAYS WOULD BE A MAX TO HAVE SOMETHING FOR A SMALL BUSINESS.

BUT IF IT'S NOT GONNA BE THAT ALL THIS OTHER OPTIONS, I'M NOT FOR IT.

COUNCIL MEMBER BROWN.

AND, UH, YEAH, THANKS FOR BRINGING THOSE, UH, THOSE PHOTOS BECAUSE THAT IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE DON'T WANT.

THOSE ARE NOT TEMPORARY SIGNS.

THOSE ARE LONG TERM OUT THERE.

THEY'RE, THEY'RE WEATHERED, THEY'RE UGLY, AND, UH, THERE'S A LOT MORE THAN TWO OR THREE ON MOST OF THOSE PROPERTIES.

SO, UH, YEAH, THAT IS A, IT IS A GREAT BAD EXAMPLE.

UH, AND THANKS FOR BRINGING 'EM IN.

AND THAT IS DEFINITELY NOT WHAT WE WANT.

WE WANT TEMPORARY TWO WEEKS AND THEY'RE GONE.

OKAY.

AND AGAIN, IT NEEDS TO BE MADE IN, IN GOOD REPAIR.

UH, AND IT'S FOR A SPECIAL EVENT FOR THOSE SMALL BUSINESSES THAT DON'T HAVE, UH, LARGE BUDGETS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, CAN'T REACH OUT TO EVERYBODY ELECTRONICALLY.

AND, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES YOU JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU'RE A LITTLE BIT OUT OF THE WAY 'CAUSE THAT'S ALL YOU CAN AFFORD.

A LITTLE BIT OFF, OFF THE, UH, THE MAIN DRAG.

'CAUSE THAT'S ALL YOU CAN AFFORD TO START WITH.

AND YOU JUST NEED SOMETHING TO GET, YOU KNOW, THAT INITIAL ATTENTION.

UH, CERTAINLY DON'T NEED IT AS A FULL-TIME, UH, UH, SIGNAGE.

UH, AND IT IS TEMPORARY AND IT DOES, IT, IT IS A DISTRACTION IN ITS OWN RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, IT'S, HEY, WHAT'S GOING ON OVER THERE? YOU KNOW? UH, AND AGAIN, IT'S A SMALL BUSINESS REQUIREMENT, UH, YOU KNOW, NOT A TEMPORARY, OR I'M SORRY, NOT A, UH, UH, UH, FULL-TIME PERMANENT, UH, SIGNAGE COUNCIL MEMBER BROWN, IF I CAN JUST ASK A CLARIFICATION.

SO WOULD YOU ENVISION, LIKE THIS UDC SECTION HERE AND THEN THE 120 DAYS WOULD BE REDUCED DOWN TO 14 FOR ALL TYPES OF TEMPORARY SIGNS, OR IS THAT JUST SPECIFICALLY FOR THE FEATHER FLAGS? WELL, I, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE IDEA ABOUT A TEMPORARY SIGN IS NOW IF THIS IS A A A NEW BUSINESS IS, IS COMING IN AND THEY CAN'T GET THEIR PERMANENT $50,000 SIGN UP, YOU KNOW, IN, IN TWO WEEKS, MAYBE WE HAVE A A, YOU KNOW, AN EXTENSION ON THAT.

BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT THOSE EVENT TYPE FEATHER FLAGS, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, UH, SMALL, SINGLE, SINGLE EVENT TYPE OF THINGS.

IF IT'S A, UH, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A PERMANENT SIGN GOING IN, THAT'S ANOTHER STORY.

AND, AND THAT CERTAINLY DOESN'T FALL INTO THE, UH, TEMPORARY SIDE REQUIREMENTS.

THANK YOU.

COUNSEL.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YOU KNOW, WELL, BUSINESSES ARE TAKING THE RISK IN OUR CITY.

THEY'RE INVESTING IN OUR CITY AND THEY, THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THEIR BUSINESS THRIVES.

AND WHEN THEY OPEN THEIR DOORS, UM, THEY NEED TO GET THE PUBLIC'S ATTENTION.

I AGREE.

120 DAYS IS JUST, IT'S ALMOST PERMANENT.

AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS IN 120 DAYS IS WHEN THESE FEATHER FLAGS KEEP FLYING THROUGH THROUGH THE WIND, THEY BECOME TATTERED.

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SO 120 DAYS IS EXTREMELY, UH, QUITE A BIT OF TIME.

UH, BUT AS, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BROWN NOTED, UH, YEAH, THEY, I THINK THEY ARE NEEDED FOR A SMALL AMOUNT OF TIME.

UH, AND I'M WILLING TO, UH, AGREE WITH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BROWN THAT MAYBE TWO WEEKS, THREE WEEKS MAX, UM, BUT NOT 120 DAYS.

BUT WITH THAT, ANY OTHER COMMENTS COM COUNCIL MEMBER WESTBROOK? YES, MAYOR, UH, I BELIEVE AFTER LOOKING AT THIS, AND I THINK I'M GOING TO FALL ON THE SIDE OF BEING IN OPPOSITION TO THE BALLOON SIGNS AND THE, UM, AND THE INFLATABLE SIGNS, UH, THAT'S WHAT I'M OPPOSED TO.

I DO BELIEVE SOME SMALL BUSINESSES DO NEED SOME HELP.

IS IT A, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CORRECT TIME PERIOD IS, DEFINITELY LESS THAN ONE 20, UM, CLOSER TO 14 DAYS.

BUT BALLOON SIGNS AND INFLATABLES ARE INCONSISTENT WITH SORT OF MAINTAINING THIS SORT OF, WITH, WITHOUT FINDING A A BETTER WORD, THE UPPER MIDDLE CLASS OR AFFLUENT APPEAL THAT THIS, THIS COMMUNITY HAS RIGHT NOW.

SO I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD LOOK FOR, FOR THE CITY OF SHIRTS.

I JUST WANNA ADD ONE MORE COMMENT.

UH, EVEN HERE AT THE CIVIC CENTER, UH, WE HAD AN EVENT NOT TOO LONG AGO.

NO ONE KNEW WHAT IT WAS UNTIL HE SAW THAT FEATHERED FLAG WHAT WAS IN THERE.

SO IT IS IMPORTANT, UH, LIKE, UH, THE CIVIC CENTERS RENTED OUT EVERY, JUST ABOUT EVERY WEEKEND AND HALF THE PEOPLE CALL ME AND WHAT'S GOING ON IN THERE, YOU KNOW, WELL, ONLY THE SIGNS WILL TELL 'EM EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON.

SO THAT'S WHY I THINK, UH, THEY'RE IMPORTANT TO HAVE.

ALRIGHT, UH, MAYOR PRO TEMP HAYWARD, I STILL DON'T CONCUR WITH THAT.

I THINK WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE A SMALL BUSINESS, YOU HAVE OTHER TOOLS AND AVENUES TO DO, I, THERE'S A BUSINESS, AND I'LL KIND OF RE REHASH THIS AND I GO TO, IN SAN ANTONIO, I DIDN'T KNOW THE BUSINESS EXISTS UNTIL I WENT ON, I WAS ON FACEBOOK AND THEY PUSHED OUT THIS AD AND NOW I GO TO THIS PLACE TO RELAX.

IT'S A, YOU FLOAT IN A POD AND HAVE MUSIC, IT'S FOR AN HOUR.

I DIDN'T KNOW THAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT EXISTED.

I HAPPEN TO BE ON FACEBOOK AND I'M NOT ON A LOT.

AND THAT BUSINESS POPPED UP.

I'VE BEEN THERE TWICE ALREADY CONSIDERING A MEMBERSHIP.

SO I THINK THERE'S OTHER WAYS WHEN PEOPLE DO BUSINESSES AND WHEN YOU'RE DOING A BUSINESS TO OPEN UP A BUSINESS, YOU SHOULD ALSO INCLUDE A MARKETING BUDGET.

IF YOU'RE NOT PUTTING IN MARKETING DOLLARS TO OPEN UP YOUR BUSINESS AS A BUSINESS OWNER, WHAT IS YOUR BUSINESS PLAN? AND THEN I THINK BACK TO ALL OF THE OTHER BUSINESSES THAT HAVE BEEN IN CHURCH WHO DID NOT HAVE THIS.

AND THEY'RE STILL SUCCESSFUL IN BUSINESS BECAUSE THEY HAVE A GOOD PRODUCT, THEY HAVE GOOD CUSTOMER SERVICE, AND PEOPLE ARE THERE BY WORD OF MOUTH.

SO I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE OTHER AVENUES THAT PEOPLE CAN DO.

AND I AM FOR SMALL BUSINESS.

I OWN A SMALL BUSINESS.

I WORK FOR SMALL BUSINESS, UM, YEARS AGO.

SO I GET A LOT OF THOSE THINGS.

BUT I THINK WHEN I LOOK AT THE CITY OF CHURCHS BEING THE FUTURE, THE CORRIDOR TO THE FUTURE AND TOWN AND PREMIER CITY, I THINK WE CAN NOT HAVE THAT AS THESE TEMPORARY FLAGS.

I THINK THERE'S OTHER WAYS TO DO IT.

I'VE ALSO MADE A SUGGESTION TO STEVE ABOUT SOMETHING, AND I'M WAITING TO GET THAT ANSWER BACK THE MAGAZINE THING TO HELP OUR BUSINESS BECAUSE I ATTENDED A WEBINAR, BRANDING WEBINAR AND THEY TALKED ABOUT HOW CITIES CAN HELP BUSINESSES.

AND THE FEATHER FLAGS WAS NOT ONE OF THOSE IDEAS IN THERE.

SO AGAIN, I'M JUST, I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD LOOK FOR THE CITY OF SHIRTS, COUNCIL MEMBER BROWN.

I HAVE GOT NOTHING AGAINST A GOOD MARKETING PLAN.

I THINK IT'S ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL.

BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A NEW SMALL BUSINESS THAT JUST OPENED UP, AND EVEN IF THEY'RE VERY GOOD AT THEIR SOCIAL MEDIA MARKETING, UH, 2000 CARS DRIVE BY THEIR, THEIR PROPERTY DURING THE DAY, AND NOT 2000 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ON FACEBOOK GOING, OH LOOK, WHAT'S NEW THIS WEEK? ALRIGHT.

UH, YOU KNOW, AND, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT SAYING LONG TERM, TWO WEEKS.

IT'S A GRAND OPENING.

IT'S A GET A LITTLE ATTENTION ON IT.

AND, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THEY ARE GOOD AND THEY HAVE A GOOD PRODUCT, THEY HAVE GOOD SERVICE, THEY'LL STAY IN BUSINESS.

BUT SOMEBODY'S GOTTA KNOW THAT THEY'RE THERE.

AND, AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT THE SMALL BUSINESS FEELS LIKE, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT'S PART OF THEIR MARKETING PLAN,

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AND IT JUST, YOU ALSO, YOU ALSO START TO GET THE, THE SMALL BUSINESSES THAT DON'T LIKE, UH, BEING AROUND HERE AND, AND WE WANT TO CONTINUE HAVING SMALL BUSINESSES BECAUSE THEY'RE STILL THE LIFEBLOOD OF, UH, THE RETAIL EFFORTS.