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THIS MEETING TO ORDER[1. CALL TO ORDER]
IS, UH, 6:00 PM THIS IS THE APRIL 2ND, 2025, REGULAR MEETING OF THE SHE'S PLAN AND ZONING COMMISSION.ITEM NUMBER ONE WAS THE CALL TO ORDER ITEM NUMBER TWO.
[2. SEAT ALTERNATE TO ACT IF REQUIRED]
IS THE SEAT ALTERNATE TO ACTIVE REQUIRED.WE HAVE COMMISSIONER WALLACE WITH US THIS EVENING.
ITEM NUMBER THREE, HEARING OF RESIDENCE.
ANYBODY, NOBODY, NO EMAILS? NOTHING? NOPE.
DID YOU FOLKS WANNA SIGN UP FOR HEARING OF RESIDENCE OR ARE YOU HERE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING? OKAY.
[4. CONSENT AGENDA:]
TO NUMBER FOUR, THE CONSENT AGENDA.WE HAVE A SINGLE ITEM MINUTES FOR THE MARCH 5TH, 2025, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, REGULAR MEETING, UH, COMMISSIONERS.
DOES THAT NEED TO BE PULLED FOR DISCUSSION? IF NOT, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? SO MOVED.
COMMISSIONER WALLACE SECOND AND SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER HECTOR.
THERE'S NO DISCUSSION ON CONSENT AGENDA.
MAKE SURE YOUR VOTE'S STILL THERE.
I 'CAUSE IPU I PUSHED THE CLEAR BUTTON, SO MAKE SURE IT'S STILL THERE.
ITEM NUMBER FIVE, PUBLIC HEARING.
WE HAVE UM, THREE OF THOSE THIS EVENING.
UH, THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION WILL HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING RELATED TO ZONE CHANGE REQUESTS, SPECIFIC USE PERMIT REQUESTS, ANY UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENTS.
WITHIN THIS AGENDA, THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE OPEN TO RECEIVE A REPORT FROM STAFF, THE APPLICANT, THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS AFFECTED BY THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST, AND ANY OTHER INTERESTED PERSONS UPON COMPLETION.
THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE CLOSED, EXCUSE ME.
THE COMMISSION WILL DISCUSS AND CONSIDER THE APPLICATION MAY REQUEST ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM STAFF FOR THE APPLICANT IF REQUIRED.
AFTER DELIBERATION, THE COMMISSION IS ASKED TO CONSIDER AND ACT UPON THE FOLLOWING REQUEST AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL IF NECESSARY.
[A. PLZC20250040 - Hold a public hearing and make a recommendation on a request to rezone approximately 20 acres of land from Pre-Development District (PRE), Agricultural District (AD), and Single-Family Residential/ Agricultural District (R-A) to Single-Family Residential District (R-6), generally located approximately 4,800 feet east of the intersection of FM 1518 and Lower Seguin Road, known as 12816 Lower Seguin Rd and 12746 Lower Seguin Road, and more specifically known as Bexar County Property Identification Numbers 310027, 310026, and 310028, City of Schertz, Bexar County, Texas.]
A IS PLZC 2 2 5 0 4.IS THAT THE ONE THAT WAS WITHDRAWN BUT IT WAS POSTED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING? SO, UM, HOW DO WE WANT TO DO THAT? YOU WANT TO GIVE YOUR, GIVE YOUR, GIVE YOUR PRESENTATION OR JUST ASK, JUST LET ME OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT UP TO YOU.
I CAN SHOW YOU WHERE IT IS, BUT IT WILL BE BACK HERE IN MAY.
IS THAT THE ONE YOU, YOU FOLKS ARE HERE FOR? NO.
WELL LET ME OPEN IT UP REAL QUICK THEN WE'LL SKIP THE STAFF PRESENTATION.
WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
ANYBODY WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? NOBODY.
PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED AND THE COMMISSION WILL TAKE NO ACTION ON THAT THIS EVENING.
SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM B-E-L-Z-C 20 25 0 0 1 7.
HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON A REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 3.5 ACRES OF LAND FROM PRE-DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT TO GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT TWO.
GENERALLY LOCATED 1700 FEET WEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF IH 10 EAST ACCESS ROAD AND TRAINER HILL ROAD, MORE SPECIFICALLY KNOWN AS BEX COUNTY PROPERTY ID NUMBER 3 3 9 7 7 5.
CITY OF SHORTZ, BEXAR COUNTY, TEXAS.
A PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE TO GB TWO ALONG IH 10 DAISY MARQUEZ PLANNER.
HERE'S THE SUBJECT PROPERTY OUTLINED IN YELLOW.
AND OVER HERE TO THE FAR RIGHT IS TRAINER HALE.
SO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED PRE-DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AND AS YOU ALL KNOW, PRE-DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT IS MORE OF A PLACEHOLDER.
THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED.
UH, TO THE NORTH IS AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT.
IT IS USED FOR SOME SORT OF AG.
AND THEN TO THE SOUTH WE HAVE THE IH 10 EAST ACCESS ROAD RIGHT OF WAY TO THE EAST.
WE HAVE PRE-DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, WHICH AGAIN IS SUPPOSED TO BE A PLACEHOLDER, BUT IT THERE IS AN AUTO SHOP AND RESTAURANT THERE.
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PRE-DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AND THERE'S A RECREATIONAL VEHICLE PARK.SO WE SENT OUT FIVE PUBLIC NOTICES ON MARCH 21ST AND WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANYTHING BACK IN RESPONSE TO THAT.
A PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE WILL BE PUBLISHED IN THE SAN ANTONIO EXPRESS PRIOR TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
NOTICE SIGNS WERE PLACED ALONG THE RIGHT OF WAY AND WE NOTIFIED FIRE EMS AND POLICE.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IT, THEY'RE REQUESTING TO GO FROM PRE-DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT TO GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT TWO.
IT IS APPROXIMATELY 3.5 ACRES AND PER THE LETTER OF INTENT, THEY'RE REQUESTING GB TWO TO ENABLE THE PROPERTY OWNER TO DETERMINE THE MOST ADVANTAGEOUS USE OF THAT PROPERTY.
SO HERE ARE THE DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS.
AGAIN, PRE-DEVELOPMENT IS SUPPOSED TO BE MET AS A PLACEHOLDER FOR NEWLY ANNEXED PROPERTIES.
UH, GB TWO DOES HAVE THOSE DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS, A HUNDRED BY 110,000 SQUARE FEET MINIMUM.
AND THOSE BUILDING SET OUT REQUIREMENTS MAXIMUM HIGH OF ONE 20 AND MAXIMUM IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE OF 80%.
SO WHEN WE LOOK AT ZONE CHANGES, WE LOOK TOWARDS DDC, SECTION 21 5 4 D FOR THE CRITERIA OF APPROVAL.
SO ONE, WHETHER THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE IMPLEMENTS THE POLICIES OF THE ADOPTED COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN OR ANY OTHER APPLICABLE ADOPTED PLAN.
SO THIS WHOLE AREA IS DESIGNATED AS REGIONAL CORRIDOR AND THAT IS MEANT FOR MORE COMMERCIAL AND ENTERTAINMENT TYPE OF USES ALONG MAJOR THOROUGHFARES.
THINGS LIKE SHOPPING CENTERS, DEPARTMENT STORES, RESTAURANTS, MOVIE THEATERS AND SUPERMARKETS.
SO REALLY THINK ABOUT THAT COMMERCIAL INTERSECTION ALONG FM 11 F FM 1103 AND UM, IH 35 WHERE WE HAVE THINGS LIKE WALMART EATING PLACES, PLACES TO SHOP.
AND REGIONAL CORRIDOR TRADITIONALLY ALIGNS WITH THINGS LIKE GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICTS.
SO GB AND GB TWO DOES NOT PROMOTE THE INTENT OF REGIONAL CORRIDOR.
SO TWO, WHETHER THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE PROMOTES THE HEALTH SAFETY AND GENERAL WELFARE.
THE CITY GB TWO ALLOWS FOR COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL USES AND THE INDUSTRIAL USES ALLOWED IN GB TWO DO NOT ALIGN WITH THAT REGIONAL CORRIDOR LAND USE DESIGNATION, WHICH ULTIMATELY DOES NOT PROMOTE THE RECENTLY ADOPTED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THREE, WHETHER OTHER USES PERMITTED BY THE PROPOSED CHANGE WILL BE CONSISTENT AND APPROPRIATE WITH EXISTING USES IN THE MEDIA AREA.
SO AGAIN, KIND OF LOOKING BIGGER PICTURE IN THE LARGER AREA FROM FM 1518 AS SEEN HERE ABOVE ALL THE WAY TO TRAINER HILL, THAT WHOLE AREA IS DESIGNATED AS REGIONAL CORRIDOR.
AND AGAIN, WE, WE WERE ENVISIONING THAT AREA AS THINGS WITH COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES AND AS YOU CAN SEE WE ALREADY HAVE SOME GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT ZONE PROPERTIES AS SEEN HERE WITH THE STARS IN THAT AREA.
AND THEN THE PRE-DEVELOPMENT, UH, DESIGNATED PROPERTIES ARE ONES THAT WERE ANNEXED BACK IN THE DAY AND THE ONES THAT ARE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT TODAY ARE THE ONES THAT WERE MORE RECENTLY ANNEXED.
SO THREE, WHETHER THE USE IS PERMITTED BY THE PROPOSED CHANGE WILL BE CONSISTENT AND APPROPRIATE WITH EXISTING USES IN THE MEDIA AREA.
SO THIS PROPERTY AND THE ONES IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO IT WERE ANNEXED IN 2010 WITH ORDINANCE 10, 8 20.
AND THAT'S HOW THEY ENDED UP WITH THAT PRE-DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT DESIGNATION.
AND THE USES THAT ARE HAPPENING NOW ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY ARE NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE RECENTLY APPROVED UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO THREE, AGAIN, JUST SHOWING YOU AND LISTING THE FOLLOWING USES THAT ARE PERMITTED BY RIGHT AND GB TWO BUT DO REQUIRE AN SUP AND GB.
SO THINGS LIKE A DRY CLEANER FLEA MARKET, MIXED USE SELF STORAGE, UH, REHABILITATION CARE FACILITY, TRUCK TERMINAL, VETERINARIAN CLINIC KENNEL, OUTDOOR.
AND THEN THIS IS A LIST OF THOSE GB TWO USES THAT ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT BUT ARE NOT ALLOWED IN GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
SO THESE ARE MORE OF THOSE INDUSTRIAL USES THAT GB TWO STARTS ALLOWING LIKE GENERAL MANUFACTURING INDUSTRIAL USE, MANY WAREHOUSE PUBLIC STORAGE WITHIN APPROVED SUP PORTABLE BUILDING CELLS WITHIN APPROVED SUP TRUCK SALES HEAVY THE EQUIPMENT AND A RECYCLING COLLECTION CENTER.
FOUR, WHETHER OTHER FACTORS ARE DEEMED RELEVANT AND IMPORTANT IN THE CONSIDERATION OF THE AMENDMENT.
SO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL HAVE NOT PROVIDED ADDITIONAL CRITERIA FOR THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE, BUT THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY.
AND THE CITY OF CHUTS FIRE AND EMS AND POLICE DEPARTMENTS HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED OF THIS PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE.
AND THE CITY OF SCHUTZ FIRE DEPARTMENT PROVIDED CONCERNS OVER THE ZONE CHANGE ALLOWING A MULTITUDE OF INDUSTRIAL USES IN THE AREA.
SO STAFF RECOMMENDS NOW THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE DUE TO THE ALLOWED INDUSTRIAL USES WITHIN THE GB TWO ZONING DISTRICT NOT BEING COMPATIBLE WITH THE REGIONAL CORRIDOR LAND USE DESIGNATION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN.
AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO LISTEN OR IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR THEM.
DOES THE APPLICANT WISH TO MAKE
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A PRESENTATION? NOT REQUIRED IT.UM, WELL WITH UH, YOU CAN COMMISSIONER OUTLAW, YOU CAN, YOU CAN TABLE IT AND TO AFTER THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM IF YOU'D LIKE.
WELL THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY.
I WAS JUST GONNA ASK IF ANYONE WOULD OBJECT TO, TO MOVING THIS ONE AND GOING ON, MOVING ON TO ITEM C AND THEN COMING BACK TO BI THINK WOULD THAT BE ALL RIGHT? HMM.
SO WE'LL UM, WE'LL COME BACK TO ITEM B.
SO ITEM C-P-L-Z-C 20 25 0 0 5 6 HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON A REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY COMMISSIONER OUTLAW.
UH, YOU'LL HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THAT I'LL MOTION TO, UH, TABLE PLZC 2 0 2 5 0 0 1 7.
SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION, PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
WE HAVE SEVEN AYES, NONE OPPOSED THAT MOTION PASSES AND NEXT TIME YOU DON'T GET TO COME TO THE WEBINAR.
OKAY? OKAY, WELL SEE IF SOMEBODY HAD TOLD ME THAT BEFORE WE, WE GOT STARTED, I'D HAVE JUST EXERCISED MY OWN DISCRETION AND SKIPPED BEING GONE TO C.
[C. PLZC20250056 - Hold a public hearing and make a recommendation on a request to rezone approximately 1.38 acres of land from Pre-Development District (PRE) to Single-Family Residential/Agricultural District (R-A), more specifically known as Bexar County Property Identification Number 310235, also known as 9126 Trainer Hale Rd, City of Schertz, Bexar County, Texas.]
C-P-L-Z-C 2 25 0 0 5 6 HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON A REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 1.3 ACRES OF LAND FROM PRE-DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL SLASH AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT, MORE SPECIFICALLY KNOWN AS BEXAR COUNTY PROPERTY ID NUMBER 3 1 0 2 3 5.ALSO KNOWN AS 91 26 T HILL ROAD, CITY OF CHURCH, BEXAR COUNTY, TEXAS.
WE DRAG THIS OUT A LITTLE BIT.
A PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE TO RA ON TRAINER HILL ROAD.
WILLIAM INGHAM PLANNER FOR YOUR ORIENTATION.
THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WITH THE AERIAL VIEW.
SO YOU CAN SEE IT OUTLINED IN YELLOW THERE.
UM, YOU SEE THE SURROUNDING ZONING DISTRICTS HERE.
SO WE HAVE THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES CURRENTLY ZONED AS PRE-DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT WITH THE RESIDENTS ON SITE TO THE NORTH OF THE PROPERTY.
WE HAVE UH, THE SHIRTS ETJ, WHICH IS CURRENTLY BEING CONDUCTED AS A WELDING MACHINE SHOP TO THE SOUTH.
WE HAVE THE TRAINER HILL RIGHT OF WAY.
IT IS CURRENTLY CATEGORIZED AS A SECONDARY ARTERIAL ROAD AND TO THE EAST AND WEST.
WE ALSO HAVE TWO OTHER PRE-DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS, UH, BOTH WITH RESIDENCES ON SITE AS WELL.
NINE PUBLIC NOTICES WERE SENT OUT ON MARCH 19TH, 2025 AND ONE WAS ALSO SENT TO S-C-U-C-I-S-D.
AS OF TODAY, WE HAVE ZERO RESPONSES IN FAVOR NEUTRAL TO OR IN OPPOSITION OF THE OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
A PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE WAS WILL BE PUBLISHED IN THE SAN ANTONIO EXPRESS PRIOR TO CITY COUNCIL HEARING AND A NOTIFICATION SIGN WAS PLACED ON SITE BY THE APPLICANT.
YOU BACKGROUND ON THE CASE THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE.
SO YOU CAN SEE HERE IN THIS EXHIBIT THAT WE HAVE, UH, CURRENTLY ZONED AS PRE THEY'RE REQUESTING TO REZONE TO RA.
YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IN THE SURROUNDING AREA THAT THERE ARE OTHER RA DISTRICTS IN THIS AREA AS WELL AS AGRICULTURAL AND OTHER PRE DISTRICTS.
THE CURRENT CONDITIONS OF THE SITE, SO THIS IS JUST A STREET VIEW OF THE SITE.
YOU CAN SEE THERE, THE HOUSE IS THE MIDDLE ONE RIGHT THERE.
UM, IT IS CURRENTLY SERVICED BY ONSITE SEPTIC AS ARE THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES IN THIS AREA.
IT IS LOCATED WITHIN THE THE SHIRT SEWER, CCN.
HOWEVER, THERE ARE NO SEWAGE LINES OUT THERE AT THIS TIME AND THAT IS THE REASON FOR THOSE SEPTICS.
SOME MORE BACKGROUND ON THE SITE AND CONTEXT, YOU CAN JUST SEE HOW RURAL THE AREA IS AT THIS TIME.
SO IT IS SURROUNDED BY RA HOMES, PRE-DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS.
UM, WE SEE SOME FARMLAND ALSO ZONED ON SITE AS WELL OR AROUND THE AREA.
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IS SHOWING YOU UH, WHAT IS DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE PROPERTY THAT'S REQUESTING THE REZONE.AND THEN JUST FOR SOME CONTEXT THERE AT THE BOTTOM, AGAIN, IT'S THAT SAME PHOTO SHOWING WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD LOOKS LIKE AT THIS TIME.
THE CURRENT, THE EXISTING ZONING DISTRICT OF PRE-DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT HAS A NUMBER OR NO, NO DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS.
IT IS HAS THREE PERMITTED USES, UH, PRIMARILY PLACES OF WORSHIP, WHICH IS SPECIALLY USE, PERMITTED AND THEN MUNICIPAL USES OR A SCHOOL PUBLIC OR PRIVATE.
UH, THERE ARE NO LOT REQUIREMENTS.
THERE ARE NO MAXIMUM HEIGHTS, THERE'S NO IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE, WHEREAS THE REQUESTED ZONE FOR A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT HAS A NUMBER OF PERMITTED USES THAT THE APPLICANT CAN REQUEST.
UH, THE APPLICANT'S INTENT IS TO UH, HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
UH, THERE ARE A LOT REQUIREMENTS SO IT MUST BE A HALF ACRE AND THERE ARE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS AS WELL.
UDC SECTION 2154 D CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL.
THE FIRST CRITERIA WHETHER THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE IMPLEMENTS THE POLICIES OF THE ADOPTED COMPREHENSIVE LAND PLAN OR ANY OTHER APPLICABLE ADOPTED PLANS.
SO THIS AREA IS CURRENTLY DE DESIGNATED AS A MIXED USE CENTER.
IT IS A COMBINATION OF USES TO INCLUDE RESIDENTIAL OFFICE AND COMMERCIAL USES.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT.
AGRICULTURAL LAND ON A MINIMUM OF HALF ACRE LOTS IS INTENDED FOR THIS AREA.
ALSO HOMES WITH OR LOTS WITH LIMITED UTILITY AXIS.
AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS A GUIDING DOCUMENT FOR THE LONG RANGE VISION OF SHIRTS.
AT THIS TIME THE REQUESTED ZONE CHANGE FOR RA AND THE OWNER INTENT TO CONSTRUCT A SINGLE FAMILY HOME DOES NOT PRESENTLY CHANGE THE EXISTING CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING AREA.
SECOND, WHETHER THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE PROMOTES THE HEALTH SAFETY AND GENERAL WELFARE OF THE CITY AS PART OF PROMOTING HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE, THE CITY SHOULD ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING USES, UTILIZING STANDARDS AND TRANSITIONAL USES TO ALLEVIATE NEGATIVE IMPACTS.
RAS INTENDED FOR AREAS WHERE DEVELOPMENT IS PREMATURE DUE TO LACK OF UTILITIES AND AS I DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY, THE SUBJECT SITE AND NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES ARE NOT CONNECTED TO SEWER AT THIS TIME.
AND THE APPLICANT'S INTENT TO CONSTRUCT A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING USES.
SO AS KIND OF WE CAN SEE THERE ON THAT EXHIBIT, ONCE AGAIN THERE ARE A NUMBER OF RA USES ALREADY IN THAT AREA.
THIRD, WHETHER THE USE IS PERMITTED BY THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE WILL BE CONSISTENT AND APPROPRIATE WITH THE EXISTING USES IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA.
SO AS WE SEE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IN THE SURROUNDING AREA IS RURAL IN CHARACTER.
IT IS ONE OF EIGHT NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES OF ABOUT 1.3 ACRES OF LAND EACH WITH THE RESIDENCE ON SITE.
AND SO YOU CAN SEE HERE, UH, IN THE, IN THE PERMITTED USES TABLE, JUST KIND OF ONES THAT ARE RELATED.
MOST SPECIFICALLY TO THIS SIDE WOULD BE MANUFACTURED HOMES, SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS AND A PUBLIC SCHOOL OR A STABLE IN THE UDC SECTION 2112 UH, OUTLINES THAT THERE MUST BE MINIMIZATION OF CONFLICTS BETWEEN USES OF LAND AND BUILDING IN A SINGLE FAMILY HOME OR THIS SPECIFIC DISTRICT RA IS NOT IN CONFLICT WITH FOURTH, WHETHER THE OTHER FACTORS ARE DEEMED RELEVANT AND IMPORTANT IN THE CONSIDERATION OF THE AMENDMENT.
ALL UDC REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN MET FOR THIS PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE AND THE SHIRTZ FIRE EMS AND POLICE DEPARTMENTS HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED OF THE ZONE CHANGE AND HAVE PROVIDED NO OBJECTIONS TO THE REQUEST.
DUE TO THE RULE CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING AREA, THE LIMITED UTILITY AVAILABILITY AND THE RELATED DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AGRICULTURE, DISTRICT RA STAFF IS THEREFORE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF PLZC 2 0 2 5 0 0 5 6.
AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
IS THE APPLICANT HERE? THE APPLICANT IS NOT HERE TODAY.
IT IS, UH, SIX, A LOT OF GLARE ON THAT CLOCK.
SIX 18 AND I WILL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THIS TOPIC IS WELCOME TO STEP FORWARD? NO, SIR.
YOU NEED TO COME UP, YOU NEED TO COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE.
UH, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND THEN YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
OH YEAH, IT DON'T TAKE TAKE LONG.
IT'S TODD HARRISON, OH 9 1 5 0 TRAINER HALE ROAD.
SO TWO PROPERTIES OVER FROM THERE.
WE'RE TRYING TO SELL OUR PROPERTY AND RIGHT NOW WE'VE BEEN HELD UP FOR ABOUT A YEAR BECAUSE OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES, WHICH WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THAT EXACTLY MEANS.
REALTORS ARE GOING, WE CAN'T REALLY HELP YOU UNTIL THERE'S SOME DEFINITION TO US.
THIS IS MORE THAN I'VE EVER SEEN FROM ANY PUBLICATION THAT'S BEEN SENT TO US.
SO WE'RE JUST, WE'RE KIND OF IN A HOLD BIND BASICALLY.
SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON, YOU KNOW? OKAY.
WE'VE SEEN OUR PROPERTY VALUE SKYROCKET, WE'VE SEEN 'EM DROP WAY LOW.
WE'VE SEEN OUR TAXES, UH, SHOOT THROUGH THE ROOF EVEN WITH GETTING
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A, UH, UM, UH, WHATEVER THE, UH, HOMESTEAD'S EXEMPTION, IT JUST WENT RIGHT BACK UP AGAIN THE VERY NEXT YEAR.SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO FROM OUR END WITH THIS AND DOES THIS IS GONNA AFFECT US TRYING TO ACTUALLY SELL OUR PROPERTY.
'CAUSE AT THIS POINT WE'D LOVE TO JUST BULLDOZE OUR HOUSE DOWN AND SELL MM-HMM
BUT WE WE'RE GONNA HOLD UP BECAUSE WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S GOING ON, BASICALLY.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE JUST HERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT.
'CAUSE THE LAST ONE WE DIDN'T GET THE, UH, NOTICE UNTIL AFTER THE ACTUAL HEARING FOR THE FIRST TIME IT WAS ACTUALLY BROUGHT UP.
YOU KNOW, I'M NOT BLAMING ANYBODY BUT THE POST OFFICE SOMETHING.
ARE WE GONNA ADDRESS THAT OR YEAH.
WHAT? ONCE THE, THIS IS ONLY, IT'S A ONE WAY CONVERSATION AT THIS POINT, SO, SO HOW DO I GET THAT ADDRESSED? OKAY.
ANYONE ELSE? UH, ANTHONY MERRITT IS MY NAME.
UM, IN REFERENCE TO P LZ C 2 0 2 505 6, THE, UH, SUBJECT PROPERTY ENJOYS A PRE DISTINCTION.
IS THAT RIGHT? IT'S A ONE OF MY DISCUSSIONS OF NOT ASKING QUESTIONS, I GUESS.
SO IT ENJOY AS A PRE DESIGNATION.
AND, UH, THE PURPOSE WAS A QUESTION, WHICH WAS HOW LONG HAS IT ENJOYED THAT PRE DESIGNATION, PERHAPS WAS IT 183 DAYS OR MAYBE SHORTER, PERHAPS MORE.
ANYONE ELSE POINT ONCE, POINT TWICE.
IT IS, UH, 6 22 AND PUBLIC, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED.
SAM, YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THOSE QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GET STARTED UP HERE? OR LET ME ASK A QUICK QUESTION.
THIS IS YOUR PROPERTY? NO, OURS IS TWO PROPERTIES DOWN.
I COULD DEFINITELY JUST HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH Y'ALL, UH, HERE IN A FEW MINUTES.
AND I'M SORRY I MISSED THE SECOND QUESTION FROM, WAS IT ABOUT, WELL, I THINK HE ASKED, UH, HOW LONG THIS HAD BEEN PREDEVELOPMENT? UH, I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION IN FRONT OF ME AT THE MOMENT, BUT I COULD TELL YOU THAT THE PRE DESIGNATION HAPPENED WITH THE PRIOR ROUND OF ANNEXATIONS, RIGHT? BASICALLY THE ANNEXATIONS THAT OCCURRED, NOT THE ONES THAT JUST HAPPENED LAST YEAR, BUT THE ONES PREVIOUS TO THAT, WHEN THINGS CAME IN, THEY WERE JUST GIVEN THE PRE DESIGNATION SO THAT, I'M SORRY, 2010.
AND, AND TYPICALLY WHAT HAPPENS, UH, WHEN WE ANNEX A PIECE OF PROPERTY OR, OR, UH, A PORTION, UH, IT'S, IT'S GIVEN THE, THE PRE-DEVELOPMENT DESIGNATION AND WHATEVER IS THERE AT THE TIME IS A, UH, NONCONFORM OR WHATEVER, NON-CONFORMING USE.
AND IT'S GENERALLY NOT AN ISSUE UNTIL SOMEBODY WANTS TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE PROPERTY, WHETHER THEY WANT TO BUILD ANOTHER HOUSE OR SUBISE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT UNUSUAL FOR A PIECE OF PROPERTY TO CARRY THAT PRE-DEVELOPMENT TAG FOR QUITE A WHILE.
COMMISSIONERS YOUR TURN MS. WALLACE? YEAH, I HAD A QUESTION.
SO, UM, YOU HAD MENTIONED IT WAS IN THE SEWER, UM, NETWORK, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM.
IS THERE PLANNED IMPROVEMENTS FOR THIS AREA OR AT SOME POINT? I HAD A QUICK DISCUSSION WITH ENGINEERING.
AND SO JUST FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THIS AREA'S KIND OF COMPLICATED, I GUESS IS WHAT I, IS WHAT I GATHER THAT THERE'S SOME DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING ON WITH 1518 RIGHT NOW.
AND, UM, THE NEAREST CONNECTIONS RIGHT NOW TO ANY SEWAGE IS ABOUT 2000 IN EITHER DIRECTION, 2000 FEET IN EITHER DIRECTION.
UM, BUT FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS THAT IT'S NOT EVEN CERTAIN THAT THEY COULD MAKE THOSE CONNECTIONS TO EITHER OF THOSE EXISTING LINES AT THIS TIME.
JUST DUE TO CAPACITY DUE TO CONSTRUCTION.
BUT SO WITH THAT AS PART OF THEIR, SO LIKE IF THEY CAME IN, THEY, THEY FILED, UM, LIKE PERMITS, THEY WOULDN'T BE REQUIRED TO I IMPROVE SEWER IN ANY WAY AS A RESULT OF THAT, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, I BELIEVE THEY, THEY'LL HAVE TO REQUEST THE WAIVER AND THEN
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WHEN, WHEN THEY'RE PLATING UHHUHYEAH, THEY'RE SO IN, WE HAVE A REQUIREMENT THAT IF YOU'RE WITHIN 500 FEET OF A SEWER FACILITY, THEN YOU'RE OBLIGATED TO CONNECT.
SO THEY ARE OVER THAT BY A LOT, SO THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO.
YEAH, AND THAT'S HOW OUR CODE READS.
IT'S 500 FEET FOR RESIDENTIAL AND I BELIEVE IT'S 1500 FEET FOR COMMERCIAL.
AND THEY, THEY PRESENTLY HAVE ONSITE SEPTIC, SO YEAH.
WELL, I JUST, I DIDN'T WANT TO, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY DIDN'T, AS A RESULT OF THIS, THEY WEREN'T THEN OBLIGATED TO NO, I DON'T THINK SO.
SO THAT WAS CORRECT, CORRECT ASSUMPTION.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE TO CONNECT ANYONE ELSE? NO.
THIS IS, UH, THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION TO, UH, CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE, DENY, OR APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS.
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE PLZC 2 0 2 5 0 0 5 6.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PLZC 20 25 0 0 5 6.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
CAN YOU PUBLISH THAT PLEASE? I HAVE SEVEN AYES AND NONE OPPOSED THAT MOTION PASSES.
ALRIGHT, I NOW I SUPPOSE WE, WE NEED
[B. PLZC20250017 - Hold a public hearing and make a recommendation on a request to rezone approximately 3.5 acres of land from Pre-Development District (PRE) to General Business District- II (GB-2), generally located 1,700 feet west of the intersection of IH-10 E Access Road and Trainer Hale Road, more specifically known as Bexar County Property Identification Number 339775, City of Schertz, Bexar County, Texas.]
A MOTION TO TAKE THE, TAKE THE ITEM B OFF THE TABLEOKAY, SO I HAD A MOTION FROM FAR END AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER, BRO, I GUESS UNT ITEM PLZC 20 25 0 0 1 7 FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE COMMISSION THERE.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
SO WHERE DID WE LEAVE OFF HERE? YOU, YOU DAISY, YOU GAVE YOUR PRESENTATION, RIGHT? YES.
AND THEN, UH, I ASKED WHETHER OR NOT THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE UP AND THAT'S WHEN YOU ASKED FOR THE DELAY.
SO DOES THE APPLICANT WISH TO? YES, SIR.
I I, I CAN'T HEAR YOU SITTING OUT THERE LIKE THAT.
UH, I REPRESENTING ANTHONY HERE IS THE REALTOR.
UH, JEFF, JEFF IS THE OWNER FOR THIS PROPERTY.
UH, BASICALLY OUR PRESENTATION OR MORE OF A CONVERSATION WE WANT TO HAVE WITH Y'ALL IS WE UNDERSTAND THE CORRIDOR SITUATION, WHICH HAS BEEN KIND OF THE BASIS FOR THE DENIAL.
THE, THE ISSUE WITH THAT IS THAT THERE IS, THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THAT AREA IS NON-EXISTENT FOR US TO ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
TECHNICALLY, IF WE WOULDN'T DO A RETAIL CENTER KIND OF MERCANTILE STUFF, IT WOULD BE ABOUT CLOSE TO A 40,000 SQUARE FOOT WORTH OF COMMERCIAL.
AND THERE IS NO SEWER NEAR TO NEAR US WITHIN THE 1500 FEET.
IT'S ONLY A THREE ACRE PROPERTY.
SO FOR US TO EVEN DO A 2000, UH, LINEAR FOOT MAIN EXTENSION, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PROBABLY 700,000 PLUS EASEMENT ACQUISITIONS.
UM, THIS PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED BACK WHEN IT WAS, WAS IT, WAS IT COUNTY BEFORE AND THEN IT GOT ANNEXED? YES.
AND SO UNDER THE CURRENT PRE-DEVELOPMENT, IT'S BASICALLY A NON DEVELOPABLE, UH, PIECE OF PROPERTY.
SO THEREFORE IT DOESN'T EVEN CARRY ANY VALUE UNTIL WE ACTUALLY ASSESS A USE FOR IT.
UM, THAT'S KIND OF THE BIGGER THING, THE BIGGER ITEM WE HAVE.
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THE AREA KIND OF CARRIES A INDUSTRIAL KIND OF USE.I MEAN, ACCORDING TO EVERYTHING ALONG I 10, YOU HAVE BEX COUNTY ACROSS THE STREET THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY ZONING.
SO THAT'S GONNA GET, THAT'S BOMBARDED WITH TONS OF, YOU KNOW, 18 WHEELER TRAFFIC, ALL THAT.
IT'S KIND OF, THAT'S WHAT IT LENDS ITSELF.
1604 AND 35, UH, I MEAN I 10, UH, FOUR 10 AND I 10.
ALL THAT IS KIND OF GOING TO HOUSTON.
THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THE MARKET STATES.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GO IN FOR.
UH, WE'RE TRYING, WE, WE HAVE PLANNED TO DO, I MEAN WE WOULD LIKE TO, WE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY PLANS YET, BUT WE, WE SET UP A, UH, KIND OF A OFFICE WAREHOUSE TYPE SITE PLAN THAT WOULD, UH, THAT KIND OF FITS THE USE CURRENTLY.
I, WE GET THE, WE GET THE FACT THAT IT'S NOT PART OF THE LAND USE PLAN AND THAT'S KIND OF WHEN WE WANT TO HAVE THE, WE UNDERSTOOD THAT.
THAT'S WHY STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL, BUT IT'S A CONVERSATION.
SAM, CAN YOU GET THIS CAMERA WORKING FOR THEM SO THEY CAN THAT WOULD BE GREAT IF YOU COULD DO THIS.
I WAS LOOKING AT IT, BUT I DIDN'T WANT YEAH, I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO DO THAT.
I THINK WE SHOULD JUST BE ABLE TO SERVICE ROAD TOWARD COMMUNITY CIRCLE DRIVE.
WELL, USUALLY THERE'S A, LEMME SEE IF BRIAN IS AVAILABLE FOR THE IT'S NOT WORKING.
OKAY, SO COULD WE JUST KIND OF, WE CAN JUST GIVE YOU ALL KIND OF PASS IT AROUND RIGHT HERE.
I, I THINK WE, WE, THE AERIAL GIVES US A PRETTY GOOD, PRETTY GOOD VIEW OF WHAT'S, UH, WHAT'S OUT THERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT THE MOST DESIRABLE AREA TO PUT KIND OF WHAT THAT CORRIDOR PLAN SHOWS.
UH, WE DO SHOW THREE BUILDINGS ON THERE.
UH, THAT SITE PLAN, I'LL BE HONEST WITH Y'ALL, I JUST KIND OF THREW IT TOGETHER BASED ON OUR, BASED ON FIRE RULES, BASED ON KIND OF THE DETENTION.
THOSE TWO THINGS YOU SEE UP THERE ARE THE PONDS.
UH, WE'RE ASK, WE'RE WE'RE GONNA ASK FOR ONE DRIVEWAY, WHICH IS WHAT TEXTILE WILL ALLOW US.
WE'RE NOT GONNA TRY TO DO ANYTHING ELSE.
UM, BUT BASED, BECAUSE WE'RE UNDER THE PRE-DEVELOPMENT, WE KIND OF RUN INTO THAT ISSUE AND, UH, AND THEN OUR WATERLINE UP FRONT ISN'T SUITABLE.
SO WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO DO A, A, A FIRE PUMP WITH A STORAGE TANK.
IT IS JUST, THE INFRASTRUCTURE ISN'T THERE FOR WHAT THEY'RE ASKING.
AND THERE, THERE REALLY ISN'T ANY PLAN IN THE FUTURE TO HAVE THAT, TO PROVIDE SEWER IN THAT AREA.
I KNOW THERE'S, THERE'S SOME SEWER MAIN EXTENSION THAT'S HAPPENING FURTHER NORTH TO US, BUT REALLY JUST AS IT'S, WE'RE KIND OF AT THE, AT, WELL WE'RE AT THE BOUNDARY LINE FOR THE, FOR THE CITY LIMITS.
UH, SO REALLY, I MEAN IN THE NEAR DECADE, I DON'T SEE REALLY THE INFRASTRUCTURE GOING OUT THERE IN ORDER TO, TO PROVIDE THE USES THAT Y'ALL ARE, THAT ARE BASED ON THAT CORRIDOR PLAN.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE KIND OF HERE.
THE REASON THAT THIS WORKS FOR US, OR THIS JUST THIS WORK, THIS DEVELOPMENT WORKS IS BECAUSE THE, THE UTILITY, THE, THE SEWER CONSUMPTION OR OUTPUT IS MANAGEABLE WITH A SEPTIC SYSTEM.
UH, IF WE WERE TO DO A 40,000 SQUARE FOOT RETAIL CENTER, I MEAN, EVEN IF YOU HAVE 10 RESTAURANTS, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TONS OF GALLONS OF SEWER, WHICH IT WOULDN'T CARRY IT.
SO THEREFORE, IF WE WERE TO GET DENIED AND, AND THAT'S WHAT THE CITY WANTS, THEN REALLY IT'S, IT'S, IT'S HINDERING THE CLIENT OR, OR MY CLIENT, THE, THE LANDOWNER.
AND REALLY YOU'LL NEVER GET IT 'CAUSE THE INFRASTRUCTURE ISN'T OUT THERE.
AND FOR A THREE ACRE PROPERTY TO BE ABLE TO DO A 2 2500 SQUARE FOOT, UH, 2,500 LINEAR FOOT SEWER MAN EXTENSION IS JUST, THE ECONOMICS WILL NEVER WORK.
UH, AND SO THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO PLAY, WAIT FOR A BOND TO COME OUT OR SOME KIND OF, UH, PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT BASED ON, YOU KNOW, WITH TAX DOLLARS FOR THAT TO HAPPEN, WHICH I DON'T BELIEVE IS IN THE MIX.
UH, BUT IT, IT HONESTLY, WE WANNA JUST HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH Y'ALL, WHAT Y'ALL THOUGHTS WE'RE, WE'RE LENIENT OR WE'RE NOT LENIENT, BUT WE'RE WILLING TO KIND OF COMMIT TO A CERTAIN FACADE TO, I MEAN, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO THROW UP JUST A METAL BUILDING AND MAKE IT LOOK UGLY.
UH, WE'RE OPEN TO WHATEVER YOU AS A COMMITTEE WOULD LIKE TO SEE, BUT OBVIOUSLY IT HAS TO BE COM IT HAS TO BE WITHIN THE REALM OF, OF THE, OF A USE THAT WE CAN, INS THAT WE CAN DO THERE WITHOUT INVESTING $2 MILLION OFFSITE.
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AND I'LL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THIS SUBJECT IS WELCOME TO STEP FORWARD? NOBODY.
IT IS STILL 6 35 AND PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED.
UM, COULD WE GET THE, UH, PERMITTED USES OF GB TWO BACK UP ON THE SCREEN SOMEWHERE? THERE YOU GO.
ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, MR. WALLACE? SO I DO WANNA REITERATE BEFORE DISCUSSION STARTS THAT WE ARE HERE TO DISCUSS ZONING, NOT JUST WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
SO I JUST WANNA REITERATE THAT THAT'S USUALLY MY LINE, BUT THANK YOU.
MR. WALLACE, YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING? CAN YOU GO TO THE ONE, THE SCREEN OF THE USES ALLOWED IN GB WITH A SPECIFIC USE, PLEASE? YES.
SO A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
IS THERE, I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT, SO Y'ALL HAD SPECULATED, I, I KNOW WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO TALK ABOUT THE USE, THE ONLY SPEC THING WE'VE SEEN IS THE WAREHOUSE.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S REALLY HOLDING YOU BACK FROM SEEKING GENERAL BUSINESS VERSUS THE SPECIFIC GB TWO, BESIDES JUST TRYING TO GET AS MUCH ENTITLEMENT IN TERMS OF LAND USE BASEBALL, THESE ARE THE ONES THAT WERE, THAT ARE ALLOWED IN GENERAL BUSINESS OR GENERAL BUSINESS, BUT WITH A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT VERSUS GB TWO WHERE THEY'RE ALLOWED BY.
I THINK THE ONES, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE OTHER SCREEN, DAISY? I'M SORRY.
UM, YEAH, THESE ARE THE ONLY, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT, UH, ARE NOT ALLOWED IN GB.
'CAUSE THE, THE ISSUE I'M HAVING A HANGUP ON IS I'M NOT NECESSARILY OPPOSED TO THE GENERAL BUSINESS WITH THE SPECIFIC USES.
IT'S THE BUY RIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES.
I KNOW, BUT IF YOU GET GB TWO, THEN YOU'RE ENTITLED TO INDUSTRIAL USES BY, RIGHT.
NO, LET, LET, LET ME HANG ON JUST A SECOND HERE, BECAUSE OUR PROBLEM IS, AS, AS MS. MARQUEZ POINTED OUT, IS WE'RE NOT DISCUSSING YOUR PROPOSED PROJECT.
WE ARE DISCUSSING A ZONING CHANGE AND IF, IF, IF WE WERE, WELL, WE DON'T DO IT, WE ONLY RECOMMEND, BUT IF, IF GB TWO WERE RECOMMENDED OR APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL, THEN ANY OF THIS STUFF, ANYTHING COULD BE BUILT WITHOUT ANY FURTHER REQUESTS OR PERMISSIONS.
THERE IS TYPICALLY SOMETHING, OR SOME THINGS IN THIS GB TWO LIST THAT WE DON'T WANT TO SEE ON INTERSTATE 10.
AND UNFORTUNATELY THAT PUTS YOU IN A, IN, IN A BAD SPOT.
YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU GUYS WANT TO DO, WE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH US, BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE'RE WE'RE APPROVING A ZONING AND THAT OPENS THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY UP TO ANYTHING, WELL, NOT EVERYTHING, BUT WHAT'S ON THIS LIST.
SO THAT, THAT'S KIND OF TO, THAT, THAT'S WHAT MS. MARQUEZ WAS, WAS, WAS, UM, YOU WANT BACK TO THE, TO THE ONE SPECIAL USE MARK, CAN YOU COME UP TO THE MIC? I'M SORRY, BASED ON THE PREVIOUS, ON THAT PREVIOUS SLIDE, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN JUST MOVE THIS BACK.
REALLY THE ONLY THING THAT REALLY FITS THE AREA THAT WE COULD PROBABLY USE WOULD BE THE, THE AUTOMOTIVE REPAIRS AND SERVICE.
AND THIS ISN'T AN EXIST, THIS ISN'T THE EXHAUSTIVE LIST OF THINGS YOU CAN DO IN GB.
THIS IS JUST THOSE, THOSE GENERAL BUSINESS SPECIAL USE.
SO I MEAN, THERE'S MORE THAT YOU CAN DO IN GENERAL BUSINESS BESIDES WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW.
SO, BUT I THINK GENERAL BUSINESS IS MORE FOR LIKE A MERCANTILE MERCANTILE, ISN'T IT? UH, DAISY, I MEAN IT'S MORE FOR COMMERCIAL.
AND SO MY, THAT WAS MY POINT IS YEAH, WHAT IS THERE, WHY SPECIFICALLY ARE YOU SEEKING GB TWO? THE BUILDINGS THAT WE ARE BUILDING RIGHT NOW WILL ACTUALLY, YEAH, THEY DON'T ACTUALLY WORK FOR COMMERCIAL.
ONCE WE GET THE SORT WE'LL TAKE OUT THE GARAGE DOORS AND PUT BASICALLY, BUT THEY, THEY, THE PROBLEM IS I UNDERSTAND.
BUT I MEAN, HE'S ASKING WHY CAN'T WE DO BASICALLY COMMERCIAL AND WELL, NO, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY, WHY CAN'T YOU DO COMMERCIAL? I'M, I'M, WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS YOU, IN YOUR LETTER OF INTENT, YOU SAID YOU'RE JUST TRYING
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TO GET ESSENTIALLY THE MOST YOU CAN DO WITH THE LAND.AND SO THE MOST WOULD BE, SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT THE MOST WOULD BE THE COMMERCIAL USE THAT THE CITY WANTS, WHICH I WOULD LOVE.
I WOULD LOVE TO USE COMMERCIAL.
THE PROBLEM IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE ISN'T THERE, SO I'M BEING PENALIZED FOR COMMERCIAL THAT I CAN'T REALLY DO AND DOING ANY OF THESE, I'D HAVE TO BUILD IN A WAY THAT CAN BE UTILIZED IN THE FUTURE FOR A COMMERCIAL USE WITHOUT TEARING THE WHOLE THING APART.
SO THE BEST THING TO DO IS TO BUILD A COMMERCIAL, A QUASI COMMERCIAL PROJECT THAT WOULD SERVE IN THE
IT'S A VERY, IT'S A, IT'S A LOGICAL STEP FORWARD.
COULD THESE, SO, SO COULD GENERAL BUSINESS EXIST OFF OF THE SEPTIC THAT THEY'RE SAYING THAT GB TWO COULD, SO THE PROPERTY IS NOT PLATTED? YEAH.
SO I CAN'T SPEAK ON WHETHER ENGINEER WOULD SUPPORT A SEPTIC WAIVER OR NOT.
THAT WOULD COME IN DURING THE PLATTING PROCESS.
BUT HYPOTHETICALLY, AND IN THEORY, IF THEY REQUEST A SEWER WAIVER WHEN THE PROPERTY IS PLATTED AND IT HAS GB ZONING, UH, ENGINEERING CAN HYPOTHETICALLY APPROVE IT.
WELL, WE'RE STRAYING OFF COURSE.
WELL, I'M NOT, I'M NOT TRYING TO STRAY OFF COURSE.
I THINK MY, MY INTENT WAS JUST TO FIGURE OUT, SO, SO THE SEPTIC, THE END GOAL, THE SEPTIC, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH YOUR OUTFLOW OF THE, OF THE DEAL.
SO ANY STRIP CENTER, YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A THOUSAND GA THOUSAND GALLONS A DAY TO 1500 GALLONS A DAY FOR ONE 20 FOOT RESTAURANT ON A, ON A STRIP.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, LIKE YOUR REGULAR RESTAURANTS DO FOR YOU TO USE AT 300 GALLONS A DAY.
SO IT'S, IT'S NOT FEASIBLE TO HAVE A SEPTIC SYSTEM THAT FOR THE AMOUNT OF SPRAY AREA.
DO YOU KNOW, IT JUST DOESN'T WORK.
WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ROOM FOR IT.
UH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE WILL GO OVER A LOWER USE.
AND NOW WE'RE, I'M NOT GONNA TRY TO SIT HERE AND COME UP WITH AN EXCUSE.
OBVIOUSLY WE'RE LOOKING FOR THIS TYPE OF USE BECAUSE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE, WHAT THAT AREA LEASES WITH.
IT, IT, WE FEEL BASED ON OUR, OUR RESEARCH THAT THESE BUILDINGS GO UP, WE SHOULD BE LEASED WITHIN SIX MONTHS.
RIGHT? I MEAN, UM, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO BE LEASED BEFORE THE CONSTRUCTION EVEN STARTS.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING FOR IT.
BECAUSE OUT OF EVERYTHING OUT THERE, THIS IS THE MORT LOGICAL DEVELOPMENT BASED ON INFRASTRUCTURE AND BASED ON MARKET.
NOW AGAIN, YOU'RE GOING BACK TO THE COMMERCIAL.
IF, IF SEWER WERE TO BE THERE, OBVIOUSLY PER SQUARE FOOT COMMERCIAL RENTS HIGHER.
IT WOULD WORK OUT WITH A TON OF VISIBILITY.
AND SO WHAT I HAD TO EXPLAINED TO HIM BEFORE, AND I KNOW WE'RE NOT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SPECIFIC CUES NOW, BUT IT'S LIKE WE CAN COME UP WITH A WAY, I DON'T KNOW, SET UP.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S, THERE'S A, THERE'S AN AVENUE WHERE WE HAVE A, SOME SORT OF PUD THAT WE CAN BE, THAT CAN BE BROUGHT TO YOU WITH CERTAIN REGULATIONS OR ANYTHING.
BUT AT THIS POINT, A GB, A GB OBVIOUSLY WILL SET SOME KIND OF VALUE TO THAT PROPERTY.
IT'S JUST NOW WITH THAT VALUE, OKAY.
THERE'S REALLY NOTHING WE CAN STILL DO.
IT IS JUST MORE A THING ON PAPER OF, OF, AND, AND IT GOES BACK TO IT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE UNDERSTAND THAT.
OR AT LEAST I UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT THE ISSUE IS NOT YOUR PROJECT.
THE ISSUE IS WHETHER OR NOT GB TWO ZONING IS APPROPRIATE HAS, AND THIS IS THE PROBLEM WE RUN INTO ALL THE TIME, IT'S NOT ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY.
YEAH, WE WE'RE UNDERSTAND THERE, IT'S, IT'S WHETHER OR NOT WE FEEL THAT GB TWO IS APPROPRIATE FOR THAT LOCATION AND WHAT STAFF IS TELLING US IS IT'S NOT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T FIT WITH THE PLAN.
NOW, WELL, I'M ON A ROLL, SO WHAT, AND IF I COULD NO, HERE, HERE'S THE PROBLEM.
WE, WE'VE GOT ALL THIS FRONTAGE OUT THERE ON I 10 AND WE GOT PLENTY OF WATER AND ELECTRICITY OUT THERE, BUT WE HAVE NO SEWER.
AND IT'S BEEN THAT WAY SINCE I MOVED TO SHIRTS 35 YEARS AGO.
OKAY? SO WE'RE HOLDING ONTO, WE'RE HOLDING ONTO THIS PIPE DREAM THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA GET HEB AND BEST BUY AND, UM, OUTBACK STEAKHOUSE AND ALL OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS DOWN THERE.
WELL, YEAH, MAYBE, BUT HOW ARE WE GONNA DO THAT WITHOUT SEWER? AND THE CITY'S GOT THE, YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN, ONE OF MY PET PEEVES IS THE, THE CITY WILL NOT EXTEND SEWER LINES.
THE DEVELOPER, THE BUILDERS HAVE TO DO THAT.
SO WE'VE GOT ALL THIS FRONTAGE OUT THERE, SITTING THERE JUST READY TO GO AND THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT.
NOW I HAVE A QUESTION EXACTLY WHERE IS THIS, THIS PICTURE IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME TO REALLY KNOW WHERE THIS PROPERTY IS ON I 10.
SO THIS IS A ZOOMED OUT, UM, MAP OF THE AREA AND IT'S RIGHT HERE.
OKAY? BUT, BUT WHAT ARE THE BOUNDARIES
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THERE? WHERE'S, UH, IS THAT 1518? THIS IS TRAINER HILL AND THIS IS 1518.SO THIS IS THAT ABANDONED GAS STATION AND THIS IS THAT OTHER GAS STATION AT THAT CORNER.
NOW, YOU KNOW, AND THE PLANT'S OVER HERE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN THROW A ROCK AND HIT THE NEW SEWER PLANT FROM, FROM THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.
THAT WAS, I'M NOT LOOKING, I'M NOT ASKING FOR INPUT, I'M JUST, AT THIS POINT I'M VENTING.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU GENTLEMEN MIGHT AS WELL JUST TAKE A SEAT FOR THE TIME BEING.
UM, IT'S JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN IN THE CITY A LONG TIME.
I'VE SAT UP HERE NOW FOR, FOR MANY YEARS AND, UM, YEAH, IT'S, UH, I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW LONG WE'RE GOING TO, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, WE JUST HAD, WE JUST HAD A BIG MEETING ABOUT, UM, WATER AND WASTEWATER IMPACT FEES AND, AND, YOU KNOW, UM, BUT A AGAIN, WE DON'T, WE DON'T, WE DON'T DO INFRASTRUCTURE DEVELOPERS DO INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND, AND YOU LOOK AT THIS, THIS, THIS SLIVER OF LAND HERE.
UM, SO, UM, I I, I DON'T KNOW.
AND, UM, YEAH, THE DEVELOP, THE, THE, THE LAND USE PLAN CAME IN AND SAID THAT'S, UM, WHAT DO WE CALL IT OUT THERE? COMMERCIAL, UH, CORRIDOR, WHAT IS IT? COME UP HERE AND HELP ME OUT AGAIN.
AND YEAH, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, UM, THAT SOUNDS NICE, BUT IS THAT, IS THAT REALITY IS, IS, IS THAT PRACTICAL THAT, THAT WE, THAT WE HOLD OUT FOR THAT KIND OF STUFF? WELL, THE COMP PLAN IS MEANT FOR, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE YEARS DOWN THE LINE, 20 TO 40.
AND I'M HERE TO TELL YOU IN THE 35 YARDS I'VE LIVED HERE, THAT PROPERTY HAS NEVER CHANGED.
THERE'S NO SEWER LINES OUT THERE.
AND THAT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, HOW MUCH LONGER ARE WE GONNA WAIT ANOTHER 35 YEARS? YOU KNOW? SO, UM, YEAH, I WAS THINKING IT WAS FURTHER FURTHER WEST BECAUSE DIDN'T WE JUST DOWN TOWARDS SIX HILL FOUR, DIDN'T WE, DIDN'T WE JUST, UH, REZONE SOMETHING DOWN THERE TO TO, TO GB TO ALLOW THAT, THAT REFRIGERATED TRUCK TRAILER PLACE TO DO THEIR THING, YOU KNOW? ALRIGHT, I'M DONE.
WHO ELSE WANTS TO SAY SOMETHING HERE? I HAVE A QUESTION.
WHO, WHO CC N IS THIS? UM, I CANNOT SPEAK ON THAT, SIR.
UM, I, I GUESS FROM A CITY STANDPOINT, IT, IT DOESN'T FIT IN THE FUTURE VISION OF THE CITY.
THE CITY WANTS SOMETHING OTHER THAN INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING AND, AND THAT, AND THAT'S WHAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF, OF I 10.
AND I GUESS IT'S, IT'S SAFE TO SAY WE DON'T WANT THAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF I 10.
WE WANT SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT TO SERVICE THE TWO OR 3000 HOMES THAT ARE GONNA BE BUILT THERE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS.
WE'VE ALREADY GOT OVER A THOUSAND HOMES BEING BUILT IN THE AREA AND THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO COMMERCIAL IN THE AREA.
SO I'M WAITING ON SOME COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT TO COME AND SERVICE THOSE, THOSE HOMES OUT THERE.
I DON'T, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING.
I, I HOPE WE SEE SOMETHING, BUT THAT'S THE CITY'S VISION FOR THIS PARTICULAR AREA.
IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A FACTORY, IT'S NOT A MANUFACTURING TYPE PLACE.
IT'S MORE OF A, SOMETHING TO SERVICE THE, THE COMMUNITY.
BUT MY QUESTION ON CCN MAKES A DIFFERENCE BECAUSE IT, YOU KNOW, IF IF THERE'S NO, IF THERE'S NO MUNICIPAL SEWER OUT THERE NOW, WHEN IS IT GONNA BE OUT THERE? IS THE CITY GONNA BUILD IT? IS THE, IS GV SUD GONNA BUILD IT? IS WHO'S GONNA SERVICE THAT? 'CAUSE WE'VE, WE'VE GOT A LIFT STATION BEING BUILT LESS THAN A MILE AWAY.
WE HAVE A WASTEWATER PLANT LESS THAN A MILE AWAY.
THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME SORT OF INFRASTRUCTURE ON THE BOOKS READY TO GO TO SERVICE THIS AREA.
SO LET ME, LET ME OFFER THIS UP.
AND WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION A COUPLE TIMES BEFORE, AND AGAIN, I THINK, UM, WE CAN CERTAINLY COMMUNICATE THIS TO COUNSEL IF P AND Z'S POSITION IS THIS, RIGHT? AND SO AS, AS CHAIRPERSON OUTLAW STATED GENERALLY SHIRTS IN MOST OTHER COMMUNITIES, UM, WE DON'T BURDEN THE CURRENT TAXPAYERS, RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES TO EXTEND INFRASTRUCTURE
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SO THAT THAT PROPERTY IS WORTH MORE AND IT'S LESS EXPENSIVE TO DEVELOP.AND WE COULD, AND WE CERTAINLY DO THAT SOME AT TIMES, WE WILL EXTEND INFRASTRUCTURE FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS AT TIME.
WE UPSIZE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE SAME REASON.
AND SO A POLICY DIRECTION YOU COULD GIVE TO COUNCIL IS YOU FEEL THE CITY SHOULD EXTEND INFRASTRUCTURE TO THE ENTIRE CITY AND, AND HAVE THE CURRENT TAXPAYERS PAY FOR THAT CURRENT UTILITY RATE.
SO THAT WE OPEN UP THESE AREAS FOR DEVELOPMENT AS OPPOSED TO WHAT WE DO, WHICH IS WHEN NEW DEVELOPMENT COMES IN, IT, IT, IT INCREASES IT.
AND SO THE, THE CHALLENGE HERE IS IF YOU WERE GOING TO DO THAT, WOULD THIS BE THE AREA? WOULD IT BE A DIFFERENT AREA TO DO THAT? AND SO AGAIN, I THINK OFTEN WHAT WE RUN INTO, AND THIS I'LL GET A LITTLE ON MY SOAP BACKS, IS THE TIMING, AS DAISY SAID, THE CITY'S COMP PLAN AND OUR VISION AS A COMMUNITY IS VERY MUCH LONG TERM.
AND SO AS COMMISSIONER OUTLAW, I ASSUME WE STATE, WHEN HE MOVED HERE, THE COMMUNITY LOOKED VERY DIFFERENT THAN IT DOES TODAY.
THERE WERE A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE HERE TODAY THAT WERE NOT HERE WHEN HE ARRIVED.
BUT CERTAINLY IT ALL HASN'T DEVELOPED FULLY IN THAT TIMEFRAME.
RIGHT? WE, WE'VE SEEN THE REGION CHANGE AND, AND WE'VE SEEN IT CHANGE FAIRLY RAPIDLY RELATIVE TO OTHER AREAS.
AND SO I, I THINK THE QUESTION HERE THAT WE'VE HEARD A LOT, AND THIS IS OFTEN IS A TIMING ISSUE.
PROPERTY OWNER, I THINK REASONABLY ARTICULATED, HEY, WITH WHAT'S THERE TODAY, WITH WHAT THE MARKET IS TODAY, THE GB TWO GIVES THEM A WIDER RANGE OF OPTIONS TO DEVELOP THAT PROPERTY.
AS THE COMMISSION SEEMS TO NOTE, ONCE YOU GRANT THIS ZONING RECOMMEND TO COUNCIL AND THE ZONING'S GRANTED THAT ZONING IS IN PLACE FOREVER, AND THEY CAN DO EVERY ONE OF THOSE USES THAT ARE THERE, WHETHER IT'S WHAT THEY INTEND TO OR NOT.
PART OF THE CHALLENGE, I THINK DAISY ARTICULATED THIS IS AS PROPERTIES DEVELOP, IT IMPACTS WHAT IS LIKELY TO COME IN AFTER THAT.
SO IF YOU WANT TO GO GB TWO, YOU SHOULD RECOMMEND THAT.
AND THEN YOU MIGHT VERY LIKELY WHEN PEOPLE HEAR THAT, YOU GET ANOTHER GB TWO APPLICATION IN AND THEN YOU GET A LIGHT MANUFACTURING REQUEST IN AND IT'S JUST ONE MORE DISTRICT UP.
AND SO THE VISION FOR THAT AREA THEN MAY END UP BEING INDUSTRIAL.
AND, AND AGAIN, YOU'VE HEARD ME SAY THIS, THERE AREN'T RIGHT OR WRONGS TO THESE THINGS, THEY'RE JUST IMPLICATIONS.
AND SO IF THE VISION OF THIS IS THAT WE EITHER DON'T THINK THAT THIS WILL SET THAT IN MOTION AND WE WON'T GET MORE OF THOSE REQUESTS, THEN THAT'S IT.
OR IF THAT'S THE VISION, THEN THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE.
IT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN, WHICH AGAIN, THE IDEA WAS MORE OF A, UH, COMMERCIAL TYPE DEVELOPMENT.
BUT AGAIN, THE CHALLENGE OFTEN ON THESE THINGS IS IT'S THE TIMING OF WIND PROPERTIES TO DEVELOP.
THE INFRASTRUCTURE'S NOT THERE TODAY.
IT MAY BE FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.
AND IF AS A POLICY DIRECTION FOR THE CITY, IT'S MOST IMPORTANT THAT EVERYTHING DEVELOPED FOR WHAT IT CAN DEVELOP TODAY, THEN, THEN THERE'S YOUR ANSWER WHAT YOU DO, I THINK ON THIS ZONING CASE AND EVERY OTHER ZONING CASE THAT COMES IN.
BUT I WOULD ARGUE THAT WHEN YOU LOOK UP AND SAY, WELL, WHY DON'T WE HAVE THIS, THAT, OR THE OTHER, IT'S BECAUSE WE MADE THOSE DECISIONS THAT HAVE IMPLICATIONS, RIGHT? THAT'S THE CHALLENGE.
BUT TO ME, I THINK IF YOU GO THE GB TWO HERE, WHAT ARE YOU TELLING THE NEXT GUY? AND WHAT ARE YOU TELLING THE NEXT GUY? AND DOWN THE ROAD? AND THAT MAY BE FINE.
I MEAN THAT, SO HOPEFULLY THAT SORT OF ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
COMMISSIONER IS GENERALLY NONE OF THE ENTITIES, WHETHER IT'S GREEN VALLEY SHIRTS, OTHER COMMUNITIES SAY WE ARE GONNA GO OUT AND BURDEN OUR CURRENT RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES TO EXTEND INFRASTRUCTURE AT NO COST.
BECAUSE FRANKLY, THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE TODAY WAS EXTENDED BY THOSE DEVELOPERS AS THEY CAME IN.
AND THAT WAS FACTORED IN THE PRICE OF THE LAND, THE PRICE OF THE, THE PROPERTY, THE PRICE OF THE HOUSE.
I GUESS WHAT, WHAT I MEANT TO ASK, AND I I APOLOGIZE.
WHERE, HOW CLOSE IS THE NEW LINE TO THIS PROPERTY? I, I, I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT TERRIBLY FAR OFF.
YOU CAN SEE THE LITTLE PARCEL LINE, WHICH IS I THINK WHERE THAT, WHERE THAT, THAT GOES.
BUT I BELIEVE IT'S A FORCE MAIN.
SO I THINK THE PROBLEM IS THEIR ABILITY TO TIE IN TO THE FORCE MAIN BETWEEN THE LIFT STATION AND THE PLANT.
I THINK THEY, I THINK THE ENGINEER IS
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ACCURATE.IT'S RUNNING A LINE DOWN GENERALLY THE FRONTAGE ROAD.
SORRY, I'M LOOKING FOR THE ENGINEER TO NOD.
AND, AND SO IT'S NOT ABOUT GOING UP NORTH, IT'S ABOUT HEADING OVER EAST, AND SO DON'T DOUBT THAT, RIGHT? AS DAISY SAID THAT THERE ARE WAIVERS THAT CAN BE GRANTED, BUT AGAIN, IT'S A TIMING THING.
NOT EVERY PROPERTY IS DEVELOPABLE TODAY, CAN APPRECIATE THE PROPERTY OWNER WANTING THAT TO BE THE CASE.
THERE CERTAINLY ARE SOME OF THE USES IN THE GB THAT DON'T NEED AS MUCH SEWER THAT A WAIVER MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE FOR.
WELL, THERE'S A, THERE'S A RESTAURANT, WELL THERE'S A COUPLE OF RESTAURANTS THERE NOW IN A CONVENIENCE STORE AND OTHER STUFF IN THERE.
SO THERE, THERE IS, THERE IS ONE RESTAURANT OVER THERE.
BUT ANYWAY, UH, YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TO GO AGAINST THE WISHES OF THE, OF THE STAFF.
SO HAVE THERE BEEN CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY AND THE, UH, AND THE HOMEOWNERS FOR ALL OF THAT PROPERTY THAT'S DESIGNATED REGIONAL CORRIDOR? I GUESS I'M TRYING TO, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IF THE CITY HAS A VISION FOR WHAT THAT AREA SHOULD LOOK LIKE AND IT SUPPORTS THE CURRENT ZONING THAT'S IN PLACE.
ARE THE, UH, LANDOWNERS AWARE OF THAT? LIKE HAVE THERE BEEN SOME PROBABLY ARE, SOME PROBABLY ARE NOT.
RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S UNTIL YOU'RE, UNTIL YOU'RE PROMPTED BY SOMETHING, YOU DON'T TEND TO GO OUT AND LOOK THIS STUFF UP, RIGHT? I MEAN IT'S, THE, THE COMMON THING I WOULD SAY AS AN ANALOGY IS HOW MANY TIMES IN MY CAREER I'VE GOTTEN A CALL FROM A HOMEOWNER WHO SAID, I MOVED INTO THIS, I PAID MORE BECAUSE IT HAS THIS VIEW OF THIS GREAT FIELD BEHIND ME AND, AND THEIR BULLDOZERS HAVE SHOWN UP, AND WHY DIDN'T I KNOW? RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S SORT OF THE ISSUE.
SO WE GO THROUGH THE COMP PLAN PROCESS TO LAY THAT VISION OUT.
UM, BUT AGAIN, AS, AS YOU MAY REMEMBER FROM THAT PROCESS, IT'S COMPETING VISIONS, RIGHT? IT'S OFTEN FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER STANDPOINT, REASONABLY ENOUGH.
SO WHAT'S THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE? AND FROM THE CITY STANDPOINT, COMPATIBILITY OF USES LONG-TERM SUSTAINABILITY TO BE A FULL COMMUNITY GOING FORWARD.
SO THERE'S A PROCESS BY WHICH THAT HAPPENS.
UM, YEAH, I I GUESS I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT IF WE DON'T MOVE WITH ANY INTENTIONALITY ON WHAT OUR VISION IS FOR THE CITY, HOW DO WE GET THERE? I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT PART.
I I, I WOULD, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU IF WE DON'T MOVE WITH INTENTIONALITY, WE JUST, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING ALL OVER THE PLACE, BACK AND FORTH, UP AND DOWN.
AS DAISY SAID, OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS OUR VISION AND IT SETS FORTH THAT INTENTIONALITY.
AND THIS AREA IS NOT INTENDED TO BE INDUSTRIAL, RIGHT? THAT'S OUR VISION.
RIGHT? OUR VISION FOR THIS AREA IS MUCH LIKE THIS SIDE OF IH 35 UP AND DOWN, RIGHT? WHERE WE HAVE RESIDENTS IN, IN AREAS NOW WE HAVE SOME INDUSTRIAL KIND OF DESIGNATIONS FURTHER DOWN TOWARDS 16.4, BUT THAT'S THE VISION WE'VE SET OUT.
AND I THINK DAISY LAID OUT WHAT THAT INTENTIONAL DECISION THAT STAFF FEELS WE'RE NOT ALWAYS RIGHT, BUT IT'S TO FOLLOW THE VISION, WHICH IS THE COMP PLAN, WHICH IS THE GUIDE FOR WHO WE WANT TO BE AS A COMMUNITY DOWN THE ROAD.
I I JUST KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, EVEN WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY LAID OUT, UH, COMP PLAN, WE HAD FOLKS COME IN, UH, WE LOOKED AT A LOT OF PRETTY PICTURES, TALKED ABOUT WHAT WE WANTED THE CITY ULTIMATELY TO LOOK LIKE, THE TYPES OF SERVICES THAT WE WANTED MADE AVAILABLE TO THE FOLKS THAT ARE SOUTH, THAT SOUTH.
UH, AND I GUESS I'M, I'M A LITTLE PERPLEXED, OKAY, BY WHO'S ACTUALLY WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY IS IT TO I GUESS AGGRESSIVELY SEEK THAT LIKE, YOU KNOW, HAVE THE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE LANDOWNERS, UH, COMMUNICATE WHAT THAT VISION IS, REACH OUT TO RETAILERS OR DEVELOPERS ON WHAT THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO DEVELOP THERE.
SO I ACTUALLY SPOKE WITH EDC ABOUT THE COMP PLAN, LAND USE DESIGNATION, AND THE ZONE CHANGE.
AND THEY CONFIRMED THAT THEY WOULD LIKE IT TO BE REGIONAL CORRIDOR AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE COMMERCIAL IN THIS AREA TO SERVE ALL THE RESIDENTIAL THAT'S COMING IN.
AND SO WHAT ARE THEY DOING ABOUT IT? WELL, ARE WE WAITING FOR IT TO HAPPEN? SURE.
SO, SO PART OF IT, YEAH, I MEAN, AND THIS IS, LET ME GO BACK TO WHAT I SAID.
IF THE COMMISSION'S VIEW ON THINGS IS WE NEED TO USE CURRENT RESIDENT AND BUSINESS OWNERS TAX DOLLARS
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TO MAKE UNDEVELOPED LAND MORE VALUABLE BY EXTENDING INFRASTRUCTURE AS PEOPLE REQUESTED AND PROVIDE INCENTIVES TO WHERE BUSINESSES WE, THAT'S CERTAINLY A WAY TO GO.MOST FOLKS SAY, LOOK, I HAD TO PAY FOR MY HOUSE, OR I HAD TO PAY FOR THE LAND ON MY BUSINESS AND IN THE COST WENT THE COST OF GETTING THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO WHY AM I PAYING FOR THIS GUYS? YEAH.
NOW, AGAIN, LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
THE CITY AND EDC JOINTLY DO WORK TO BRING ABOUT DEVELOPMENT THAT BENEFITS THE CITY, RIGHT? WE HAVE A WHOLE BOARD, THE SEDC, THAT, THAT'S WHAT THE CITY HAS SAID IS YOUR FOCUS.
THERE IS A REVENUE SOURCE FOR THEM.
SO AGAIN, TO BE CLEAR, THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU SEE UP ON 35 BY EVO WITH THE APARTMENTS AND THE RETAIL DEVELOPMENT GOING IN THE RESTAURANTS, RIGHT? SO WE HAVE PORTILLOS COMING IN KAVA, WE HAVE KAVA COMING IN.
CHIPOTLE, PANERA, CHIPOTLE, PANERA, THERE'S A SPICY SANDWICH PLACE.
DAVE'S HOT CHICKEN, RIGHT? EDC HAS GRANTED, HAS HELPED WITH INFRASTRUCTURE GRANTS TO BRING THAT PROJECT ABOUT, RIGHT? SO WE USE OUR INFLUENCE, OUR OUR DOLLARS TO HELP BRING THAT ABOUT.
NOT EVERYBODY WHO SHOWS UP TO EDC AND SAYS, I WANT MONEY TO DO THIS THING I WANT TO DO GETS A GRANT, RIGHT? THEY MAKE THOUGHTFUL DECISIONS ABOUT WHAT THEY DO AND WHAT THEY DON'T DO.
AND I THINK THE APPLICANT EVEN SAID, THERE ISN'T A MARKET RIGHT NOW FOR THIS THING THAT THE CITY'S VISION IN RETAIL.
THERE AREN'T THE RESIDENTS RIGHT OUT THERE YET TO SUPPORT THIS.
SO AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO MY POINT WHEN I GOT UP.
A LOT OF THIS IS A TIMING ISSUE.
REASONABLY ENOUGH, THE PROPERTY OWNER WANTS TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY.
NOW THERE ISN'T A MARKET FOR THE CITY'S VISION.
NOW, EVEN IF WE PUT IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE THERE, THERE ISN'T, THERE ISN'T A MARKET FOR IT YET.
SO THE QUESTION FOR YOU IS, IS IT MORE IMPORTANT THE LONG-TERM VISION OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE PLAN AND HOW WE GET THERE? OR IS IT WHAT THIS INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNER WANTS REASONABLY? I'M NOT KNOCKING THAT.
AND THEN WHAT THE NEXT PROPERTY OWNER WANTS WHEN THEY COME IN AND THE NEXT PROPERTY OWNER WHEN THEY COME IN.
AND SO THE, THE, THE, THE CHALLENGE, I GUESS I'M, I'M, I'M A LITTLE BIT I'LL SAY THIS IS SHIRTS IS GROWING FAIRLY RAPIDLY.
IT'S, IT'S RELATIVELY SPEAKING, IT'S GROWING FAIRLY RAPIDLY IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES THAT COME IN EVERY YEAR.
NUMBER OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, WE TEND TO LAG A LITTLE BIT IN OFFICE.
WE TEND TO LAG A LITTLE BIT IN RETAIL, BUT WE HAVE THAT COMING IN NOW.
AND, AND WHAT I'M GETTING THE IMPRESSION IS THAT THE COMMISSION GENERALLY FEELS YOU WANT THE COMMUNITY TO GROW FASTER THAN IT IS NOW.
AND YET THE IRONY IS OFTEN WE HAVE GROUPS OF RESIDENTS STANDING UP, NOT QUITE SCREAMING AT YOU, BUT SAYING, WHY AREN'T YOU KEEPING UP WITH THE ROAD SYSTEM AS IT IS? RIGHT.
AND THAT'S A BIT OF THE CHALLENGE, I WOULD SAY, WITH IT.
AND SO YEAH, THAT'S PART OF IT IS, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE AREAS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE GONNA GROW DOWN THE ROAD BECAUSE OF WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED AND, AND YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS KIND OF THAT AREA.
AND, AND I THINK THAT ANSWERS, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, THE SCENARIO REGARDING THE DEVELOPMENT GOING ON NEAR EVO THAT KIND OF ANSWERED THE QUESTION.
I AM NOT PROPOSING THAT, UH, THE TAXPAYERS PAY FOR IMPROVEMENT OF ANYONE'S PROPERTY, UH, AHEAD OF TIME.
JUST INTERESTED IN WHAT IS ACTIVELY BEING DONE FOR THIS COMMUNITY TO LOOK LIKE THE VISION THAT WAS LAID OUT SURE.
AND IDENTIFIED AS REGIONAL CORRIDOR.
AS OPPOSED TO WAITING FOR IT TO HAPPEN.
I SUBMIT TO YOU THAT IF THERE WERE A GROCERY STORE THERE, THERE ARE A LOT OF RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA THAT WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO TO CONVERSE OR COME DOWN TO, UH, SHIRTS HERE AT 35 TO GO TO THE GROCERY STORE.
I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU, AND I WOULD ARGUE SLIGHTLY COUNTER TO THAT, THAT IF THERE WAS A MARKET FOR A GROCERY STORE THERE TODAY, IT'D ALREADY BE THERE, THERE WOULD BE A GROCERY STORE THERE TODAY.
THE REALITY IS I THINK THEY'VE GOTTA PLAN A LITTLE WAYS DOWN IS THESE THINGS KIND OF HAPPEN.
BUT YEAH, THAT'S THE FLIP SIDE IS YEAH, IF THERE WERE A MARKET FOR A GROCERY STORE, IT'D, IT'D BE THERE TODAY.
UM, AND, AND AGAIN, I I SOME OF YOU HAVE HEARD THIS AT TIMES, PARTICULARLY IF YOU'RE OF A CERTAIN AGE, YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT GROCERY STORES
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WERE YOU AS A KID OR GROWING UP.I MEAN, THINK BACK HOW BIG HEBS ARE NOW RELATIVE TO PROBABLY THE SIZE OF THE GROCERY STORE WHEN YOU WERE A KID.
THEY'RE FOUR TIMES THE SIZE, MAYBE 10 TIMES.
AND SO THAT REQUIRES A HUGE, YOU KNOW, SERVICE AREA FOR IT.
SO, AND, AND IT'S NOT, IT, IT IS NOT JUST SHIRTS.
IF ANYONE HASN'T BEEN SOUTH ON 15, 18, SOUTH OF I 10 IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS, YOU TAKE A DRIVE.
YOU DON'T SEE IT FROM THE INTERSTATE BECAUSE IT'S BEHIND, BUT YOU GO UP, YOU GO UP, YOU GO GO OVER THAT LITTLE RISE AND DOWN THE OTHER SIDE.
AND THERE ARE HOUSES EVERYWHERE IN, IN, IN UNINCORPORATED BEXAR COUNTY.
UM, SO IT'S NOT JUST SHIRTS THAT'S DEVELOPING OUT THERE.
UM, DAISY, WHAT ARE THE YELLOW STARS ON THE, ON THE MAP THERE? SO THE YELLOW STARS INDICATE WHERE THERE'S ALREADY GB ZONE PROPERTIES.
UM, MAYBE IT WAS THE OLD COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT WE USED TO HAVE THIS THOUGHT ALONG THE INTERSTATES TO WHERE WE KIND OF RESERVED THE, THE MAJOR INTERSECTIONS FOR THE BIG RETAIL COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS.
AND THEN IN BETWEEN WE HAD OTHER STUFF THAT WE WERE GONNA FILL IN WITH.
UM, AND, AND WE APPLIED THAT MANY MONTHS AGO, PROBABLY LAST YEAR, MIGHT EVEN BEEN TO THE YEAR BEFORE.
NOW, AS YOU GO NORTH, EXCUSE ME, YOU GET UP, UM, WHERE ARE THEY? I GET ALL CONFUSED UP THERE.
I THINK THEY'RE NORTH OF SCHWAB.
UH, BUT YOU GOT ALL THAT, UH, UH, OFFICE WAREHOUSE GOING IN AND THAT REQUIRED SOME, SOME REZONING.
BUT AGAIN, THE DISCUSSION WAS, UH, WE WANTED TO KEEP THE INTERSECTIONS OPEN FOR THE COMMERCIAL RETAIL.
SO LET, LET ME TRY ONE, ONE OTHER APPROACH.
SO I'VE ZOOMED IN ON, ON, NOT THIS PHOTO, BUT YOUR, BUT YOUR AERIAL AND ON THE CORNER THERE, THAT, THAT ONE, THAT ONE GOLD STAR.
UM, I GUESS WE'D CLASSIFY THAT A, A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS PUMPS AND THAT PROBABLY FITS REGIONAL CORRIDOR.
AND THEN I'M NOT SURE WHAT'S NEXT TO IT ANYMORE.
THERE USED TO BE A HAM RADIO SHOP OR A CB RADIO SHOP OUT THERE.
UH, AND THEN AS YOU COME, AS YOU COME WEST, THAT THAT ONE BUILDING, UH, IS PROBABLY, MAY, MIGHT BE WHERE SCHWAN'S USED TO BE, THEIR DISTRIBUTION CENTER.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NEXT TWO FACILITIES ARE, BUT THE ONE THAT, THE ONE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THEIR PROPERTY, THE PROPERTY AND DISCUSSION, UH, IN THE BACK CORNER IS A TIRE SHOP.
AND THAT LITTLE BUILDING IN THE FRONT, OF COURSE, I HAVEN'T BEEN OUT THERE IN YEARS.
IT USED TO BE A A, A MEXICAN RESTAURANT.
SO, YOU KNOW, UM, I'M NOT SURE THAT GB TWO IS OUTTA CHARACTER WITH WHAT'S OUT THERE TODAY.
YEAH, COUNCILMAN AND, AND LET ME OR COMMISSIONER THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SAY.
IF YOUR VISION IS WHATEVER IS OUT THERE TODAY, THAT'S WHAT WE WANT GOING FORWARD, THEN YOU SHOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS.
UH, AND I MEAN THAT, THAT'S NOT HOW WE'VE TRADITIONALLY LOOKED AT IT HERE IN CHURCH.
WE SAID WE GET THAT THINGS GROW AND CHANGE OVER TIME AND JUST BECAUSE AT SOME POINT THIS WENT IN ISN'T THE DIRECTION THAT WE WANTED TO GO, BUT, BUT CERTAINLY THAT'S A, THAT'S A WAY TO DO IT, RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, SHORT OF TAKING THE BULL ARE OUT THERE AND KNOCKING ALL THOSE BUILDINGS DOWN, IT'S, IT'S GONNA STAY WHAT IT IS.
AND, AND SO, UM, AND, AND THEN IF, YOU KNOW, I CAN LOOK AT THE PROPERTY BEHIND IT AND I CAN WITH SOME CERTAINTY TELL YOU THAT ONE DAY THAT'LL BE RESIDENTIAL BACK THERE.
I MEAN, IF, IF WE HAVE INDUSTRIAL OUT THERE, I'M NOT SURE WE'RE NECESSARILY GONNA GET RESIDENTIAL OUT THERE THAT THE VISION IS.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S PERFECTLY REASONABLE THAT IF OUR VIEW OF THINGS IS BECAUSE OF WHAT'S THERE TODAY, THINGS NEVER CHANGE AND WE SHOULD SIMPLY BUILD ON WHAT'S THERE, THEN YOU SHOULD PROBABLY SAY, WELL, WHY DON'T I GIVE YOU INDUSTRIAL ZONING AND IT GIVES YOU MORE USES.
THAT'S REALLY THE DIRECTION YOU SHOULD GO IF THAT'S YOUR VISION.
AND SO AGAIN, AS WE LOOK AT ALL OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND HERE A LONG TIME, AND THE VISION IS THEY SHOULD
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CONTINUE AND EXPAND RIGHT? THEN THAT'S THE WAY YOU SHOULD GO.WE DEAL WITH THINGS THAT ARE THERE AND WE RESPECT THEIR RIGHTS TO CONTINUE TO BE THERE.
BUT OUR VISION MAY BE DIFFERENT FOR THINGS AROUND IT.
AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT OVER TIME, AS PROPERTY OWNER SAID, PROPERTY VALUES CHANGE AND THINGS THAT WERE THERE GET BULLDOZED AND GET REDEVELOPED AS SOMETHING ELSE.
BUT IF WE CONTINUE TO GRANT ZONING TO GET NEW INDUSTRIAL IN, YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE LESS OF THAT.
IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT VISION FOR THE COMMUNITY.
I'M GONNA CALL A CALL TO QUESTION.
I THINK WE, WE'VE GOTTEN EVERYTHING WE NEED TO GET TO MAKE A DETERMINATION ON THIS ONE A SECOND.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE WHO'S, WHO'S RUNNING UP SHUT UP OUTLAW.
I MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE GB TO PLZC 2 0 2 5 0 0 1 7.
I'M SORRY, CAN YOU, CAN YOU CONFIRM, YOU SAID YOU'RE INDICATING GB OR GB TWO AS PRESENTED GB.
CAN WE I DON'T THINK WE CAN DO THAT.
YOU CAN'T RECOMMEND THAT? NO, YOU JUST HAVE TO COME BACK IN.
I RECOMMEND, UH, DENIAL OF P-L-Z-Z-P-L-Z-C 2 0 2 5 0 0 1 7.
HAVE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND DENY.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? I, I THINK THE APPLICANT WANTED TO FOLLOW UP, BUT NO, I NO.
CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT YOU'D LIKE AGAIN? NO, SIR.
I'M A COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE BROKER AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT PROJECT.
I GREW UP ON THAT INTERSECTION AND, UH, SO WE CAN REFERENCE THE OVERHEAD OR YOU CAN CONTINUE AT THIS POINT.
I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE.
I THINK WE'RE SPEAKING IN DIFFERENT TERMS AND BESIDES THE, THE, THE MOTION'S BEEN MADE AND THE, AND THE DISCUSSION IS UP HERE ON THE DESK AND UNLESS ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS WANTS TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.
THERE WAS A, UH, AERIAL VIEW UP THAT SHOWED THE BUSINESSES.
THE, THE LEFT STAR IN THE LOWER LEFT CORNER FROM MY SIDE WAS REFERRED TO AS BY PLANNING AS THE ABANDONED GAS STATION.
WOULD YOU STEP INTO THE MIC? I, I SURE THE LEFT STAR ON THE BOTTOM LEFT OF THE PROPERTY OR THE OVERHEAD THERE IS 15, 18 AND I 10 THAT WAS REFERRED TO BY PLANNING AS THE ABANDONED GAS STATION.
UM, THE TRAINER, HALE AND I 10 EAST CORNER IS A GAS STATION AS WELL.
I AM NOT CERTAIN THAT THAT IS FUNCTIONING FOLLOWED BY, LIKE YOU NOTED, DE SCHWAN'S FACILITY, GIRARD ELECTRIC, AJ'S TIRE SHOP IS THE NEIGHBOR OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
AND ON THE OTHER SIDE IS SOMETHING THAT BUILDS ITSELF AS AN RV PARK.
UM, I DON'T BELIEVE ANY OF THOSE CONFORM TO THE FUTURE, UM, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO IS THERE A, IS IT INTENTIONAL THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, USUALLY I'VE SEEN FUTURE LAND USE PLANS RATHER THAN COMPREHENSIVE, AND THEY HAVE A PROTOCOL WHEN THEY DON'T CONFORM WITH THE CURRENT ZONING, WHICH RIGHT NOW THE TWO ARE INCONGRUENT.
SO IS THERE A PROTOCOL FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, TO RECONCILE IT WITH WHAT'S ACTUALLY IN PLACE AS ZONING CURRENTLY? NO.
BUT YOU, YOU CAN COME IN AND, AND REQUEST AN AMENDMENT TO THE COMP PLAN IF YOU WANT TO.
BUT, UM, YEAH, THAT, THAT, THAT CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS PUMPS, IT'S ON AGAIN, OFF AGAIN.
IT SEEMS LIKE SOMETIMES THEY'RE WORKING, SOMETIMES THEY'RE NOT.
IT'S A, IT'S APPARENTLY IT'S A LOUSY LOCATION.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S NO, NO, SIR, I'M NO TO USE NO SIR.
USE THE PROPERTY IN ANY REGARD.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT SOLICITING ANY MORE INPUT.
IT'S NOT A SOLICITATION, IT'S A NO, WE'RE NOT REBUTTAL.
IT'S A REBUTTAL TO WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT.
I, UH, A MOTION HAS BEEN MADE.
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IS AMONGST THE COMMISSIONERS, NOT BETWEEN YOU AND ME.SO LET ME NOW, NO, SAM, WHAT NOW YOU GO, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA GO AHEAD.
SO LIKE YOU SAID, A MOTION'S BEEN MADE.
AND JUST SO Y'ALL KNOW, THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.
SO THEY'RE GONNA PRESENT A RECOMMENDATION WHAT THEY THINK CITY COUNCIL HAS THE ULTIMATE AUTHORITY ON THE ZONING ACTION.
SO THIS WILL GO TO CITY COUNCIL IN JUNE, AND THEY'RE THE ONES WHO WILL ULTIMATELY DECIDE ON HOW THAT GOES.
SO THERE'LL BE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT YOUR CASE AT A LATER TIME.
SO COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS BEFORE WE VOTE? NO.
THE MOTION, THE MOTION AND THE SECOND ARE TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF PLZC 20 25 0 0 1 7.
SO AN I VOTE IS TO RECOMMEND DENIAL.
AND I VOTE IS TO RECOMMEND DENIAL.
SO IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.
AS SIX IN FAVOR AND ONE OPPOSED? THAT MOTION PASSES AND THAT RECOMMENDATION WILL BE MADE TO CITY COUNCIL.
GENTLEMEN, I, I'M SORRY IT WAS SO COMPLICATED AND IT IS JUST THE WAY WE GET WRAPPED AROUND THE AXLE SOMETIMES.
BUT AGAIN, AS SAM POINTED OUT, ALL WE MADE TONIGHT WAS A RECOMMENDATION.
THIS WILL BE ON THE CITY COUNCIL AGENDA IN THE FUTURE.
DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA WHEN WHAT? I I CAN'T HEAR YOU.
YOU SAID WHEN, WHAT, WHEN IS THIS? I WAS, I WAS ASKING IF WE KNEW WHEN THIS WOULD, MAY 6TH.
SO THAT, I'M GETTING BEHIND IN MY NOTES HERE.
THANK YOU FOR, FOR PRESENTING YOUR CASE QUESTION.
NO, MR. MR. JAMES WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO TALK TO YOU BACK THERE.
[A. Requests by Commissioners to place items on a future Planning and Zoning Agenda]
SIX, SIX A REQUEST BY COMMISSIONERS TO PLACE ITEMS ON FUTURE P AND Z AGENDA.I'D LIKE TO ASK, UH, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG AGO WAS IT THAT I ASKED FOR A WORKSHOP BECAUSE IT POPPED UP AGAIN TONIGHT WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ZONING.
SOMEBODY ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT SEWER AND I ASKED FOR A WORKSHOP ON WHAT DO WE, WHAT DO WE CONSIDER AT WHAT STAGE OF DEVELOPMENT AND DOES IT HAVE TO BE THERE? AND CAN'T WE REARRANGE THAT BASED ON WHAT I HEARD AT THE, UM, PLANNING CONFERENCE, ARE WE MAKING ANY HEADWAY ON THAT OR DID SOMEBODY JUST THROW IT IN THE DRAWER? THE, THE, SO YOU'RE THE, YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT AN UPDATE ABOUT THE WORKSHOP TO DO WHAT? THE SEWER.
RIGHT NOW WE, WE, WE DO, WE DO ZONING AND THEN WHAT YOU DO PLATING, AND THEN YOU DO SITE PLAN.
WELL, IN EACH OF THOSE STAGES, CERTAIN THINGS ARE CONSIDERED, TRAFFIC IS NOT CONSIDERED UNTIL WHEN SITE PLAN.
WE, UH, BASED OFF OF CO DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL, WE ARE NOW CONSIDERING TRAFFIC DURING ZONING ACTIONS.
BUT THAT'S THE KIND OF THING I WAS ASKING FOR BECAUSE I GOTCHA.
BECAUSE UP AT THE CONFERENCE, I THINK, I DON'T REMEMBER WHICH CITY IT WAS, UH, THEY CHANGED THEIR WHOLE ZONING, THEIR, THEIR WHOLE PROCESS SO THAT SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT WERE QUESTIONED LATER IN THE PROCESS WERE MOVED UP TO EARLIER IN THE PROCESS.
AND SO WHAT I ASKED FOR WAS, WAS A WORKSHOP AND DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW WE'RE DOING THINGS TODAY AND WHAT WE MIGHT THINK ABOUT DOING, WHETHER WE WANT TO MOVE ONSITE SEWER FROM PLATING OR FROM SITE PLAN UP TO, YOU KNOW, OR, YOU KNOW.
SO I WAS JUST, SO IF I'M, IF I CAN DISTILL THAT DOWN.
WE WANT, WE NEED A WORKSHOP AND, AND I APOLOGIZE, WE HAVEN'T, UH, ADDRESSED THIS SOONER, BUT WE WANNA RECONSIDER CERTAIN CRITERIA IN ZONING ACTIONS.
IS THAT FAIR? SOME FAIR MAYBE.
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OKAY.AND, AND I'LL GET WITH YOU OFFLINE AND TRY TO EXPLAIN BETTER WHAT I, WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.
SO NOBODY ELSE HAS ANYTHING FOR, OKAY, HOW ABOUT ANNOUNCEMENTS? ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING? NO CITY STAFF.
[C. Announcements by City Staff. City and community events attended and to be attended.]
OKAY.SO Y'ALL SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN AN EMAIL ABOUT RSV PING TO THE VOLUNTEER BANQUET THAT IS HAPPENING APRIL 22ND.
SO IF YOU DO PLAN ON INTENDING AND BRINGING A PLUS ONE, PLEASE, RSVP TO CHERIE.
SO YEAH, I WASN'T SURE WHAT THAT WAS AN INVITATION TO THE WAY, THE WAY IT'S WORDED AND YEAH, THAT WAS, UM, HMM.
IF YOU HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS, YOU CAN EMAIL US@PLANNINGATSHIRTS.COM.
YEAH, I THINK IT SHOWED UP IN A, I THINK IT SHOWED UP IN A CHECK YOUR MAILBOX A, A GOLD ENVELOPE.
I THINK IT WAS IN, SO OH, POST CARD.
NO, IT'S, NO, IT WAS IN A, IT WAS IN AN ENVELOPE, SO A GOLD ENVELOPE, I THINK.
BUT YEAH, IF, IF YOU DIDN'T GET ONE, UH, GI GIVE, UM, GIVE SHARIA A CALL OR, OR, OR, UH, YOU KNOW, GIVE ONE OF THE PLANNING STAFF A CALL.
IT'S THEIR ANNUAL, UM, THE CITY HAS AN ANNUAL VOLUNTEER APPRECIATION DINNER AND, UH, THEY, THEY'VE, UM,
YEAH, I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY ALWAYS PICK MY GRANDSON'S BIRTHDAY, BUT, UM, UH, THEY'VE, THEY'VE BEEN SOME PRETTY, SOME PRETTY NIFTY ONES.
UM, OKAY, SO LET'S SEE, WHERE ARE WE? SEE, UH, ITEM NUMBER
[A. Current Projects and City Council Status Update ]
SEVEN, UH, INFORMATION AVAILABLE IN YOUR PACKET ABOUT OUR CURRENT PROJECTS AND, AND, UH, CITY COUNCIL STATUS UPDATE.AND WE'RE DOWN TO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.
IT IS, UH, 7 22 AND THIS MEETING'S ADJOURNED.