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OKAY, THE TIME IS FIVE O'CLOCK, AND WE ARE HERE ON OUR, UH, WORKSHOP, UH, DISCUSSION FOR JUNE 3RD AT FIVE O'CLOCK.
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THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS A HEARING OF RESIDENTS.THIS TIME IS SET ASIDE FOR ANY PERSON WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL.
AND BEFORE ADDRESSING THE COUNCIL, WE ASK THAT YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
ALRIGHT, MAYOR PRO TEMP, PLEASE CALL FIRST SPEAKER.
UH, YES, WE HAVE MS. YASMINE MORENO.
MY ADDRESS IS 4 8 1 4 CASTLE STREAM.
I ACTUALLY DON'T LIVE IN THE CITY OF SHIRTS, BUT, UM, I COME IN REPRESENTATION OF HAPPY KIDS FOUNDATION.
IT'S A NONPROFIT, UH, IT'S A LOCAL NONPROFIT, AND WE'RE HAVING, WELL, WHAT WE DO IS BASICALLY WE PROVIDE BASIC NEEDS TO ALL KIDS, LOW INCOME AT RISK KIDS, AND WE ALSO PROVIDE, UM, WORKSHOPS AND CAMPS.
AND I'M HERE TODAY JUST TO INVITE YOU GUYS TO OUR, UH, FIRST ANNUAL FUNDRAISER, UH, GALA DINNER.
I HAVE THE INVITATIONS WITH ME.
I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN APPROACH YOU GUYS OR LEAVE THEM.
UM, THAT'S ALL I HAD FOR TODAY,
WELL, TH THANK YOU FOR THE INVITATION.
[1. Council Professional Development Policy Review (Councilmember Westbrook)]
ALL RIGHT.UH, ITEM NUMBER ONE IS THE COUNCIL'S, UH, PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT POLICY REVIEW.
SO, ARE THEY GONNA PROMPT THE, UH, POWERPOINT? OH, I CAN DO THAT, BUT I HAVE A, UH, YOU SHOULD PULL THEM IN
THAT'S THE MAYOR'S POWERPOINT.
UH, BRIAN IT, THAT'S THE MAYOR'S VERSION.
HOLD MS. UH, COUNCILMAN WESTBROOK, PLEASE? NO, THAT'S STILL MINE.
SO I HAVE SOMETHING TO READ IN, UH, OH, SECOND.
I'M NOT, LET ME, THAT'S TAKE A MINUTE TO GET IT.
GO TO THE, SO I HAVE SOMETHING TO READ.
SO LET ME READ WHILE YOU'RE PULLING THAT OUT.
SO, UM, I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RAISE THE DISCUSSION TODAY.
UM, IT'S NOT ABOUT A SPECIFIC TRAINING REQUEST, BUT A BROADER PRINCIPLE ABOUT HOW WE GOVERN OURSELVES AND HOW WE GROW AS LEADERS.
TWO KEY QUESTIONS HAVE EMERGED TO ME.
FIRST, DOES ANY INDI INDIVIDUAL ON THIS CITY COUNCIL HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO APPROVE OR DENY PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT FOR FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS? BASED UPON THE DOCUMENTS I'VE REVIEWED, THE ANSWER IS NO.
THE CHARTER IS CLEAR THAT ALL POWERS RESIDE WITH THE COUNCIL, UNLESS SPECIFICALLY GRANTED OTHERWISE.
THERE'S NO ORDINANCE, OUR POLICY, DELEGATING THAT AUTHORITY TO A SINGLE MEMBER OF THIS BODY.
UH, SECOND, DO INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DETERMINE WHAT TRAINING BEST EQUIPS THEM TO SERVE THE CITY OF CHURCH? I BELIEVE WE DO.
AND THAT BELIEF IS VALIDATED EVERY TIME WE ARE ENTRUSTED WITH MILLION DOLLAR BUDGETS, COMPLEX POLICY VOTES, AND REPRESENTING THOUSANDS OF CONSTITUENTS.
THIS DISCUSSION IS NOT ABOUT CIRCUMVENTING OVERSIGHT.
MATTER OF FACT, IT'S ABOUT CREATING OVERSIGHT.
ONE THAT IS TRANSPARENT, CONSISTENT, AND ROOTED IN RESPECT FOR EACH OTHER'S ROLES.
WE OWE IT TO OURSELVES, OUR PROCESS, AND OUR RESIDENTS TO ESTABLISH A CLEAR STANDARD THAT ENCOURAGES GROWTH WHILE SAFEGUARDING PUBLIC TRUST.
SO IN THE, IF EVERYBODY'S HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SORT OF READ IT, PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT POLICY REVIEWS, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT OUT OF THE, UH, THE THREE DOCUMENTS I REVIEWED, THE CITY CHARTER COUNCIL RULES AND TRAVEL POLICY, UH, NOTHING IN PARTICULAR, UH, REFERENCES THE TRAVEL OF THE CITY ASSURE CITY COUNCIL.
UM, SO I'M JUST LOOKING FOR FAIRNESS, TRANSPARENCY, AND A CODIFIED GOVERNANCE PROCESS.
THAT SORT OF A COMMON UNDERSTANDING ABOUT HOW WE CAN TRAVEL, WHEN WE CAN TRAVEL, AND HOW MUCH WE WILL SPEND YOU.
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UM, LIKE I SAID, I REVIEWED THE CITY OF SHIRTS CHARTER, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL RULES OF CONDUCT AND THE CITY OF SHIRTS, TRAVEL POLICY DOCUMENT TAKEAWAYS.POWERS VESTED IN THE CITY COUNCIL.
COUNCIL SETS ITS OWN RULES COUNCIL, NO UNILATERAL AUTHORITY, UM, TO THE MAYOR, AND NO MENTION OF COUNCIL MEMBERS, WHICH PROBABLY CREATES A LITTLE BIT OF AMBIGUITY I THINK IN THE PAST.
UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IN THE PAST, OTHER PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DENIED OR THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT HOW MUCH WE CAN OR CANNOT SPEND.
AND SO THIS IS JUST ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO CLEAR THINGS UP, CREATE A CLEAR POLICY, UH, FOR ALL THOSE INVOLVED CORE TALKING POINTS.
COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE ALREADY TRUSTED TO MANAGE CITY POLICY AND BUDGETS.
UM, CERTAINLY WE'RE CAPABLE OF DECIDING FOR OURSELVES, UM, ANY PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT, UM, WE SEEK THAT WILL BETTER.
THE CITY OF, UH, CITY OF SHIRTS DENYING AUTONOMY AND TRAINING CONTRADICTS TRUST COUNCIL MEMBERS JUDGMENT.
UM, CITIES ADVOCATE FOR LOCAL CONTROL.
YOU KNOW, THAT WAS ONE OF THE, UM, LEGISLATIVE ISSUES, LOCAL CONTROL.
IT SEEMS SORT OF CONSISTENT ON A MICRO LEVEL THAT CERTAINLY, CERTAINLY COUNCIL MEMBERS SHOULD HAVE A SAY IN THEIR OWN PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT.
UM, LACK OF POLICY INVITES, INCONSISTENCY IN SELECTIVE TREATMENT.
UM, I THINK THAT'S PRETTY MUCH, UM, REITERATION OF WHAT I'VE ALREADY SAID BEFORE.
THERE'S NO NEED TO DO IT 'CAUSE IT'S NOT ABOUT ONE PARTICULAR COURSE.
NEXT, THERE, UM, SOME ANTICIPATED QUESTIONS.
DOES THE MAYOR HAVE UNILATERAL AUTHORITY? NO.
IS DENYING TRAINING FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE? UH, IT COULD BE, BUT ONLY WITH CLEAR POLICIES AND NOT THROUGH SUBJECTIVE DECISION MAKINGS.
UM, IS HARVARD TRAINING RELEVANT TO COUNCIL DUTIES? ACCORDING TO THEIR WEBSITE, IT WAS, IT SUPPORTS GOVERNANCE AND LEADERSHIP ROLES.
HOW DOES IT DIFFER FROM TML CONFERENCE? IN A BIG SCHEME, IT DOESN'T.
BOTH SERVE ELECTED OFFICIALS, UM, AND APPROVAL IN CON THE DISAPPROVAL, OUR APPROVAL WAS INCONSISTENT, SHOWS POLICY GAPS.
UM, BOTH THE TML AND THE HARVARD CONFERENCE ALLOWED, UH, FIRE CHIEFS TO GO POLICE CHIEFS TO GO DEPARTMENTAL STAFF, UH, DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS TO GO AND ELECTED OFFICIALS TO GO.
UM, WE'LL JUST INVITE EXCESSIVE REQUEST.
HOPEFULLY NOT, BUT WE'RE CERTAINLY, UM, WE ARE CERTAINLY ELECTED TO HOLD OURSELVES ACCOUNTABLE.
AND IF, IF THINGS GET EXCESSIVE, UM, I THINK THE ONUS FALLS ON THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE, UH, CITIZENS TO VOTE 'EM OUT.
IS THE CURRENT TRAVEL POLICY ONLY FOR EMPLOYEES? YES.
IT DOESN'T MENTION, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL TRAVEL POLICIES, POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, PROBABLY CODIFY A POLICY FOR COUNCIL MEMBER PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT.
HOW MUCH, WHERE IS THERE SOME, UM, PREDETERMINED TRAINING THAT'S ALREADY PRE-APPROVED? DEFINE ELIGIBILITY AND APPROVAL PROCESSES.
UM, AND REVIEW OF CURRENT AUTHORITY LIMITS.
UH, THAT'S JUST REVIEW, CHARTER REVIEW RECOMMENDATIONS FOR AGENDA DISCUSSION.
WELL, THAT'S OPEN TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND I'M SURE WE WILL, UH, FIGURE OUR WAY THROUGH THIS.
UH, BEFORE I OPEN IT UP, UH, FOR DISCUSSION, I'D LIKE TO, UH, POINT A COUPLE OF FEW ITEMS THAT WERE ADMITTED.
AND AFTER REVIEW, UH, MY SLIDES ALSO, UH, WILL HAVE SOME COMMENTS IF WE CAN GO AHEAD AND BRING THAT ONE UP.
NOW I START ON PAGE FOUR OF, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, WESTBROOK SLIDE.
AND HE DID, UH, BECAUSE THE COUNCILS ARE VESTED, THE POWERS ARE VESTED IN COUNCIL AS A BODY, NOT INDIVIDUALLY.
AND THAT'S WHAT THESE, UH, CHARTER SECTIONS ARE REFERRING TO.
AND THAT'S WHY I PUT IN PARENTHESES, UH, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WERE OMITTED ON THE CHARTER.
EVERYTHING THAT MY COMMENTS AREN'T READ, BY THE WAY, THE MAYOR SHALL BE THE OFFICIAL HEAD OF THE, OF THE CITY GOVERNMENT.
AND ALSO OMITTED WAS ORDINANCE NUMBER 20 3M 28.
SECTION TWO 13 MATTERS NOT ADDRESSED BY RULES.
THE CHARTER OR STATE LAW SHALL BE DETERMINED BY THE MAYOR.
IF WE COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
WE TALK ABOUT THE BUDGET HERE AND THE POLICIES.
YES, COUNCIL SETS THE POLICIES AND THE BUDGET, BUT IT'S THE MAYOR'S RESPONSIBILITY TO SUBMIT AND OVERSEE THE COUNCILS.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE WHOLE CITY, JUST THE COUNCIL'S BUDGET AND POLICIES.
THE MAYOR DRIVES POLICY EXECUTION AND SAFEGUARDS FISCAL ACCOUNTABILITY ACROSS CITY OPERATIONS.
THE NEXT ONE, ALL TRAINING HAS VALUE.
THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
COUNCIL MEMBER TRAINING MUST BE TIED TO SPECIFIC RESPONSIBILITIES THAT DIRECTLY BENEFIT THE CITY OPERATIONS.
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DIRECTED TO SERVE THE PUBLIC'S INTEREST.ON THE NEXT ONE, IT SAYS, THE COUNCIL MEMBER HAVE A STAKE IN THEIR OWN PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT MUST BE BALANCED WITH FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY, TRANSPARENCY, AND ACCOUNTABILITY TO THE PUBLIC.
WHEN TAX DOLLARS ARE USED, IT IS THE COUNCIL AS A BODY WHO MUST DECIDE WHAT IS APPROPRIATE, APPROPRIATE, BENEFICIAL, AND EQUITABLE.
THE CITY CHARTER ENTRUST THE COUNCIL AS A BODY WITH THE RESPONSIBILITY TO ESTABLISH POLICIES THAT PROTECT PUBLIC TRUST, ENSURE FISCAL STEWARDSHIP, AND MAINTAIN FAIRNESS FOR ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE AUTHORITY, THE MAYOR'S AUTHORITY, ONCE AGAIN, I'M, I'M, IT'S ON ORDINANCE 20 3M DASH 28.
YOU KNOW, IT'S ABOUT PROTECTING THE PROCESS AND ENSURING PUBLIC FUNDS ARE SPENT APPROPRIATELY.
NO ONE, NOT EVEN THE MAYOR, SHOULD ACT OUTSIDE THE BOUNDS OF THE COLLECTIVE ACTION THAT THIS COUNCIL TAKES.
THE ABSENCE OF A DEFINED POLICY FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS HIGHLIGHTS THE NEED FOR THIS BODY TO ESTABLISH A POLICY THAT GOVERNS THE USE OF PUBLIC FUNDS FOR TRAINING AND TRAVEL.
ALL COUNCIL MEMBER TRAINING MUST BENEFIT, HAVE RELEVANCE AND APPROPRIATENESS TO THE CITY, ESPECIALLY WHEN PUBLIC FUNDS ARE BEING SPENT.
IT IS COUNCIL'S COLLECTIVE DUTY TO ENSURE FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY.
YOU KNOW WHAT? LEADERSHIP DEVELOPMENT HAS VALUE, NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
BUT THAT, THAT ALONE DOES NOT JUSTIFY PUBLIC FUND SPENDING.
THE VALUE OF ANY TRAINING MUST BE MEASURABLE, RELEVANT TO MUNICIPAL DUTIES AND BALANCE AGAINST THE RESPONSIBILITY WE HAVE FOR OUR TAXPAYERS.
WITHOUT A CLEAR POLICY, WE CANNOT ASSUME THAT ALL LEADERSHIP PROGRAMS MEET THE STANDARDS OR JUSTIFY FOR SPENDING PUBLIC FUNDS.
YOU KNOW, HERE'S A CHART THAT, UH, WE PUT TOGETHER.
I DI I MUST SAY THAT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER WESTBROOK, UH, DID NOT INDICATE EVERYTHING ON THE HARDWARE.
IT IS FOR GLOBAL CAREER LEADERS, CAREER AND EXECUTIVE PROFESSIONALS, STATE OR FEDERAL AGENCIES AND DIRECTORS.
BUT IF YOU SEE, I ALSO ADDED UTSA BECAUSE EVERYTHING IN UTSA IS EQUIVALENT TO WHAT IS TML.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENCES ALSO ON JUST ABOUT ANY OF THESE.
THE DURATION, THE CLASS, UH, THEY ALL LEAD TO SOME KIND OF CREDIT, UH, ACCREDITATION.
UH, FOR INSTANCE, TML, YOU CAN GET THE CMOA TWO YEAR OR FOUR DEGREE DEGREE FROM UTSA.
AND ALSO HARVARD, OF COURSE, HAS A CREDITS.
BUT, UH, I PUT PENDING DOWN AT THE BOTTOM BECAUSE THAT IS ENTIRELY UP TO COUNCIL ON WHAT DIRECTION THEY WANNA GO IN.
I ALSO PUT IN THERE THERE'S 87 COURSES OF LEADERSHIP AT UTSA AND I JUST PINPOINTED SOME OF THESE THAT ACTUALLY APPLY TO WHAT WE AS COUNCIL DO.
DOES THE MAYOR HAVE UNILATERAL AUTHORITY? THE CHARTER VESTS GOVERNING AUTHORITY TO YOUR, TO THE ENTIRE COUNCIL? NOT ONE PERSON ACTING INDEPENDENTLY, ESPECIALLY WHEN PUBLIC FUNDS ARE BEING INVOLVED.
HOWEVER, ORDINANCE 20 3M 28, AGAIN, SECTION TWO DASH 13 MATTERS NOT ADDRESSED BY RULES.
THE CHARTER OR STATE LAW SHALL BE DETERMINED BY THE MAYOR.
NOW, WE DIDN'T PUT THIS IN THERE AS A COUNCIL.
I WOULD SUGGEST I PROBABLY, AND ASSUMING THAT PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEMBERS PUT THIS IN THERE, BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE A VOID OR A GAP THAT WILL EXIST LIKE WE HAVE NOW.
AND THAT'S THE ONLY REASON THEY PUT THIS ONE IN THERE.
FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY REQUIRES STRUCTURE UNTIL SUCH A POLICY EXISTS.
COUNCIL'S DISCUSSION IS THE RESPONSIBILITY TO APPROACH AND APPROVE SUCH REQUESTS.
THE CORE ISSUE IS NOT WHETHER OR NOT THE TRAINING PROVIDES DIRECT, PRACTICAL, OR BENEFITS TO THE COUNCIL DUTIES.
REGARDING OUR, THE MUNICIPALITY LEADERSHIP DEVELOPMENT MUST BE EVALUATED IN THE CONTENTS OF MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT GOVERNANCE, NOT BASED ON GENERAL PREVALENCE ALONE.
IS THERE A CLEAR DISTINCTION BETWEEN TML AND HARVARD? YES, THERE IS.
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YOU KNOW, UH, TML IS DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY FOR TEXAS MUNICIPAL GOVERNANCE LAWS OPERATIONS BEST PRACTICES.TML FOCUSES ON LAND USE INFRASTRUCTURE, LOCAL ECONOMIC GROWTH, AND LOCAL BUDGET AND TAXATION.
THE HARVARD TRAINING CLASS IS A WORLD CLASS INSTITUTE.
IT IS GENERALIZED FOR EXECUTIVE EDUCATION, AND IT IS NOT TAILORED TO TEXAS LAWS, BUDGET CONSTRAINTS OR ANY CITY CHARTER.
AND THE LAST ONE, ANYONE CAN PLACE ANYTHING ON THE AGENDA.
THIS IS A PROCEDURAL ACTION THAT MUST BE DONE.
SO LET'S GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
NO, UH, THERE IS NOT A CLEAR POLICY THAT LIMITS THE CRITERIA.
SETTING THE PRECEDENCE WITHOUT LIMITS IN PLACE OPENS THE DOOR TO INCONSISTENCIES AND INEQUALITIES FOR ANY APPROVAL AT TAXPAYER'S EXPENSE.
THIS WILL BE INCONSISTENT WITH PRUDENT PHYSICAL PRACTICES.
NOW AND THE POLICY, WELL, IT IS A CALL TO ACTION.
IF THIS COUNCIL WANTS TO MAKE IT CLEAR, THEY CAN PUT, THEY CAN ACTUALLY PUT EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANNA DO ON TML OR THEY CAN JUST, UH, LEAVE IT AT THE DISCRETION OF WHO OR THE MAYOR BASED ON THE CURRENT ORDINANCE THAT'S IN PLACE.
THIS IS NOT ABOUT BLOCKING ANYONE OR ANY, ANYTHING ABOUT OPPORT OPPORTUNITIES.
IT'S ABOUT DEFENDING THE PROCESS.
THERE'S NOTHING IN THE PROCESS.
PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT MATTERS AND IT DOES BRING VALUE.
HOWEVER, PUBLIC TRUST, TRUST MATTERS MORE.
TRUST IS NOT BUILT ON THE TRAINING WE ATTEND, BUT RATHER ON HOW WE LEAD.
LET'S BRING FORWARD A POLICY THAT SERVES ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS, FAIRLY DEFINES WHAT IS ELIGIBLE AND ENSURES TRANSPARENCY AND FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY.
LET'S FOSTER GOOD GOVERNMENTS.
THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT.
COUNCIL FLOORS OPEN FOR DISCUSSION.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO STATE FIRST OF ALL BEFORE, SIR, NO WAIT.
BRIAN, CAN YOU PULL HIS BACK UP? IS THAT WE, WE PROBABLY AGREE ON 80%, PROBABLY 90% OF EVERYTHING HE SAID.
SO THIS IS NOT A, THIS WE AGREE ON 80, 90%.
UM, I THINK WE WERE BOTH CLEAR THAT CLARITY NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT SOME, SOMEHOW THE CITY COUNCIL NEEDS TO HAVE SOME CLARITY.
UH, IF YOU CAN GO BACK UP TO THE CHART, UM, IT IT, RIGHT, YOU PASSED IT TWO DOWN.
SO JUST FOR CLARITY PURPOSES, FOR THOSE LISTENING WHO MAY REVIEW, IN MY EMAIL, I ASKED FOR ONLY THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WOULD BE SPENT FOR ME TO ATTEND, UM, TML CONFERENCE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BUDGET WAS, BUT IF IT WAS 2000, 3000, 4,000, THAT'S ALL I WAS ASKING FOR.
SO THIS IS, I'M SURE IT'S AN OVERSIGHT, AN HONEST OVERSIGHT.
SO IT WASN'T 17,000 THAT I WAS REQUESTING.
UM, IN THE HARVARD, IF YOU GO TO THEIR WEBSITE, IT DOES SAY, SAYS, UH, GLOBAL PUBLIC LEADERS, CAREER PROFESSIONALS, STATE AND FEDERAL OFFICIALS.
WHAT IS NOT MENTIONED HERE IS THAT IT CLEARLY SAYS FOR MAYORS, MAYORS DID IT SAY COUNCIL MEMBER? IT, IT SAID LOCALLY ELECTED OFFICIALS.
I I, IF I'M NOT A LOCAL ELECTED OFFICIAL, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT, UH, TO, UH, TO CONTRADICT THAT STATEMENT.
WHEN I LOOKED AT ALL THE, UH, THE COURSE ACTIONS ON HERE, IT, IT DID SAY MAYORS.
IT DID NOT SAY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
THIS IS A VERY HIGHLY RESPECTED INSTITUTION FOR EXECUTIVE PROFESSIONALS.
AND I'M JUST TRYING TO PINPOINT THE DIFFERENCE, BECAUSE IF WE APPROVE HARDWARE, WHY, WHY WOULDN'T WE APPROVE UTSA? SO I, I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S FOR THE COUNCIL TO DECIDE.
BUT WHAT I WILL SAY IS, HERE, HERE AGAIN, WHO GETS TO DECIDE WHAT IS BEST FOR ROBERT WESTBROOK TO SERVE THE CITY OF SHIRTS? WHO GETS TO DECIDE? DO I HAVE THAT ABILITY? I'M AN ELECTED OFFICIAL.
UH, I'VE BEEN ENTRUSTED TO MAKE THE BEST DECISIONS AND MAKE THE SAME DECISIONS EVERYBODY ELSE DOES.
I DON'T SEE WHERE IT SAYS THAT THE MAYOR HAS ANY GREATER ABILITY TO DECIDE WHAT'S BEST FOR ROBERT WESTBROOK IN THE ORDINANCE.
AND I WILL CLARIFY THAT THE DOCUMENTS I WAS REFERRING
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TO WERE THE CITY CHARTER RULES OF CONDUCT AND THE, UH, TRAVEL CITY CHURCH TRAVEL POLICY.I DID NOT HAVE, UH, ACCESS TO THE ORDINANCE.
SO, UM, I SHOULD PUT PARAMETERS AND QUALIFICATIONS ON THERE.
SO LISTEN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHO GETS TO DECIDE WHAT PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT IS BEST FOR ROBERT WESTBROOK OR ANY INDIVIDUAL TO DECIDE? THAT'S IT.
THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S WHAT THIS BOILS DOWN TO.
AND IT'S UP TO THE, UH, CITY COUNCIL TO DECIDE WHAT IS APPROPRIATE AND INAPPROPRIATE, UH, FOR TRAVEL.
BUT I THINK IF I CAN VOTE ON A, YOU KNOW, PLANNING AND ZONING AND MILLION DOLLARS AND THE BUDGETS AND MISSION, VISION VALUES FOR THE CITY OF SHIRTS, CERTAINLY I SHOULD BE ENTRUSTED TO SPEND FIVE, $10,000 A YEAR FOR MY OWN PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT WITH SOME OVERSIGHT BY THE, BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND NOT ONE INDIVIDUAL MEMBER.
ALRIGHT, COUNSEL MAYOR PRO TEMP HAYWARD.
SO I CAN'T SPEAK TO HARVARD, BUT I CAN SPEAK TO, I GAVE, PRINTED OUT A COPY AND GAVE TO EVERYONE BASED ON TML AND NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES.
I DID NOT PUT A PA TEXAS ON THERE, WHICH IS THE AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION TEXAS CHAPTER.
UM, I HAVE ATTENDED THAT AS WELL.
I DON'T REMEMBER THE COST, IT WAS A WHILE AGO.
BUT ON THIS FORM THAT I GAVE EVERYONE, IT IS A COST BREAKDOWN OF THE THINGS THAT I HAVE ATTENDED AS A TML PRESIDENT.
WOULD THIS BE SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD ATTEND ON A REGULAR UM, BASIS? 'CAUSE THERE'S SOME THAT ONCE YOU TAKE THE CLASS, YOU DON'T DO IT AGAIN.
LIKE THE LEADERSHIP ACADEMY AND ROUND ROCK, IT'S $825.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING, DONE IT ONCE YOU DON'T DO IT AGAIN.
SOME OF THE OTHER ONES YOU CAN REPEAT.
AND BECAUSE I SIT ON THE, UM, PUBLIC FUNDS PUBLIC INVESTMENT COMMITTEE, I JUST WENT TO THAT TRAINING BECAUSE I FIGURED IF THE STAFF HAS TO GO, I SHOULD PROBABLY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TELLING THE STAFF.
AND I JUST WANTED TO GIVE EVERYBODY AN IDEA OF WHAT IT WOULD COST OR WHAT IT COST WOULD'VE COST THE CITY IF I ATTENDED ALL OF THIS.
MY COST AT THIS MOMENT HAVE BEEN PICKED UP BY TML.
I ALSO PUT IN ON THE BACK FORM THE TOTAL COST.
THEN I PULLED OUT THE LEADERSHIP ACADEMY AND THEN SOME AUSTIN STAYS.
BECAUSE IF SOMETHING'S IN AUSTIN, DEPENDING ON WHAT IT WAS, YOU MAY NOT HAVE TO GO.
SO MY THOUGHT PROCESS ON THIS IS IN TALKING WITH SOME OTHER CITIES, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THEY DO THEIR BUDGET AND HOW THEY DO THINGS FOR THEIR CITY COUNCIL TO TRAVEL, SOME OF THEM JUST COME UP WITH A DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR EACH COUNCIL MEMBER TO DECIDE WHAT TRAINING THEY WANT TO GO TO.
THEY GIVE THEM THE DOLLAR AMOUNT AND IT'S UP TO THE COUNCIL MEMBER TO DECIDE HOW THEY'RE GOING TO USE THOSE FUNDINGS FOR, IF IT'S TML, IF IT'S NLC, IF IT'S WHATEVER IT IS THAT WOULD BE APPLICABLE TO SOME TRAINING, THEY THEN USE THOSE DOLLARS.
WHATEVER DOLLARS THEY DON'T USE FOR TRAINING, THEN IT GOES BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND.
SO IN TALKING WITH THEM, IT VARIES BASED ON THE CITY AND WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO.
I KNOW BEING INVOLVED IN TML, THERE'S ONE CITY, THE CITY OF LANCASTER, ALL OF, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ONE COUNCIL MEMBER, ALL OF THEIR COUNCIL MEMBERS GO TO TRAINING.
ALL OF THEIR COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE MAYOR ARE CERTIFIED MUNICIPAL OFFICIALS WHEN THEY HAD TO DO THE 72 HOURS.
SO THEIR CITY MANAGER, WHEN THEY DO THE BUDGET, THEY GET A PROBABLY A SIZABLE AMOUNT SO THAT THEY CAN DO ALL OF THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE CITY MANAGERS OF THE, EVERYBODY NEEDS TO BE TRAINED.
YOU WANNA GO, GO, UH, WE NEED EVERYBODY AT ICSC BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA MAKE DECISIONS ON CERTAIN THINGS.
SO THAT'S THEIR CITY, CITY, UH, UH, GLEN HEIGHTS, THEY GIVE EACH OF THEIR COUNCIL MEMBERS $10,000 AS A BUDGET AND THEN THEY DECIDE HOW THEY'RE SPENDING THE MONEY, WHATEVER THEY DON'T SPEND IT ON.
THEN IT GOES BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND.
IT IS JUST, I THINK FOR A COUNCIL, WE NEED TO MAYBE FIGURE OUT, AND I KNOW THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE'RE VOTING ON OR THINKING, BUT I JUST DID THIS TO GIVE YOU SOME IDEAS OF COST, UM, ON HOW THINGS WOULD BE AND IF IT WAS SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO DO IN THAT WAY SO THAT WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THINGS COST AND HOW MUCH HOTELS COST AND THE TRAVEL.
AND A LOT OF THIS I DIDN'T EVEN PUT PER DIEM LIKE GOING TO AUSTIN AND DINNER AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
SO I THINK IT'S UP TO US AS COUNCIL TO DECIDE HOW WE WANT TO DO HANDLE THIS.
DO WE SAY IT HAS TO BE TML ONLY? CAN IT BE TML AFFILIATES, NLC? OR WE JUST GIVE A BUDGET AND SAY, HERE'S YOUR BUDGET.
YOU DO THIS, AND THEN YOU SUBMIT WHAT YOU'VE DONE.
AND, AND IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S,
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OR WE CAN DECIDE WHAT WE WANT TO DO, EVERYONE TO SAY, YOU CAN HAVE THIS TRAINING, AND IF IT'S SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF WHAT WE VOTE ON AS THE TRAINING THAT WE WILL ALLOW, THEN THE COUNCIL MEMBER HAS TO BRING IT BEFORE THE COUNCIL AND THEN ALL OF COUNCIL GETS TO DECIDE WHETHER THEY CAN ATTEND THIS OR NOT, BECAUSE THEY ARE MAKING THEIR PITCH TO US TO SPEND THE MONEY SOMEPLACE ELSE.THOSE ARE JUST SOME IDEAS IN TALKING WITH DIFFERENT ENTITIES AROUND THE STATE.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THERE WOULD BE ANY QUESTION WE WOULD HAVE THE, WE WOULD BE HAVING THIS WORKSHOP IF IT WAS TTML RELATED.
UH, THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT TML OFFERS COURSES THAT WILL BENEFIT THE CITY.
UH, IN THIS SITUATION IT WAS, IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO DECIDE WHICH WAY TO GO.
UH, WHICH, UH, AND AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC FUNDS.
WE CAN'T JUST BE SAYING, WE'LL GIVE EACH OTHER EACH OF YOU $10,000 TO DO WHATEVER YOU WANT.
I I, I THINK THAT'S IRRESPONSIBLE OF, OF A COUNCIL AS A GROUP TO SAY, HERE, DO WHAT YOU WANT WITH $10,000.
IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO JUSTIFY TO THE PUBLIC WHY YOU SPEND $10,000 GOING TO UTSA.
MAY I CLARIFY, MAYOR, WHEN I SAID $10,000, I'M NOT SAYING YOU CAN GO ANYWHERE BECAUSE ALSO WE HAVE TML AND NOW BEING MEMBERS OF NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES, THEY ALSO OFFER TRAINING.
THAT'S WHY I, AND SO I THINK IT'S, WHEN I SAID $10,000, IT, WHEN I SAY IT IS FOR US TO DECIDE, IT IS, LET'S SAY YOU SEE A CLASS THAT YOU WANT TO GO TO, IT'S TML, IT'S NLC AS YOU SAID.
IT COULD BE UTSA, I DON'T KNOW THAT, BUT I'M SAYING IT'S SOMETHING THAT IF WE DECIDE WHAT IT IS, YOU HAVE TO PICK IT AND DECIDE WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO.
IT'S NOT LIKE YOU CAN TAKE THE $10,000 AND GO DOWN THE ROAD AND SPEND IT WILLY-NILLY.
IT HAS TO BE ON TRAINING TO MAKE YOU BETTER AT YOUR JOB AS A LEADER.
AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I AM.
I'M NOT SAYING TAKE THE MONEY AND JUST GO RIDE.
I WAS GIVEN EXAMPLES OF WHAT SOME CITIES DO.
AND THEN WHEN THEY DON'T GO TO THE TRAINING OR THEY DON'T USE ALL THE TRAINING DOLLARS, IT GOES BACK AND EACH PERSON PRESENTS WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO.
SOME OF THEM DO IT WHERE YOU HAVE TO PRESENT FOR THE YEAR.
THE ONE THING WITH TML IS WHEN THEY DO WEBINARS, THEY CHANGE THE WEBINARS YEARLY.
SO YOU MAY NOT KNOW LIKE IN FEBRUARY WHAT'S GONNA BE OFFERED IN MARCH.
AND SO MY THOUGHT IS YOU BRING THAT BACK AND SAY, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT I KIND OF WANNA GO TO.
AND THEN WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO TRAIN FOR.
I'M NOT JUST SAYING GO OUT AND SPEND THE MONEY WILLY-NILLY.
AND I'M NOT SAYING WE HAVE TO DO $10,000.
I WAS JUST GIVING EXAMPLES OF, AS COUNCIL, WE NEED TO DECIDE HOW WE WANT PEOPLE TO SPEND THE MONEY.
IF, BECAUSE BEFORE WE'VE JUST BEEN GOING TO TML TRAINING, NOW WE'RE MEMBERS OF NLC.
ARE WE MEMBERS OF SOMETHING ELSE? WE'RE MEMBERS OF THE AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION.
YOU MIGHT WANNA KNOW WHAT PLANNERS DO TML AFFILIATES OFFER TRAINING.
WE MIGHT WANNA DO SOMETHING WITH THE TML AFFILIATE.
SO I'M JUST, YOU YOU MADE A GOOD POINT.
TRYING TO BROADEN THAT AS IN HERE'S HOW WE NEED TO DO SOME TRAINING.
AND THEN IF SOMEONE WANTS TO DO SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF THE PARAMETERS, THEN THEY HAVE TO, THEY CAN BRING IT BEFORE COUNSEL.
AND THEN COUNSEL MAKES A DECISION ON IF IT'S A GOOD IDEA OR A BAD IDEA.
IF IT'S SPECIFIC ON THE POLICY, THERE IS NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.
IF IT SAYS TML AND IT'S TML, UH, OR THE NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES OR ANY OTHER ASSOCIATION THAT WE ARE PART OF, THERE WOULD BE NO QUESTION.
IT'S THINGS OUTSIDE THAT, IF YOU DON'T SPECIFY, CAN ACTUALLY LEAD TO A LOT OF SCRUTINY REGARDING THE EXPENSES THAT WE, THAT WE MAKE.
NO, YOU MADE A GOOD POINT THERE.
THERE'S, THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.
IF IT WAS A NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITY, THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.
IT'S ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THOSE PARAMETERS THAT WE HAVE TO DECIDE HOW ARE WE GONNA HANDLE THIS COUNCIL MEMBER WESTBROOK.
SORRY, MAY I, I'LL SORT OF DEFER THE TIME 'CAUSE I THINK EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SORT OF SAY THEIR PIECE ON THIS ONE, BUT IT WAS JUST, I MEAN, UM, THE MONEY WAS ALREADY BEING SPENT AT TML, SO I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THIS TML VERSUS HARVARD.
IT'S ABOUT ULTIMATELY WHO SHOULD DECIDE PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR THIS CITY COUNCIL.
WHO GETS TO DECIDE? I DON'T KNOW IF, PARDON THIS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE ANY MORE GIFTED TO DECIDE WHAT'S BEST FOR ME JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE MAYOR.
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ANYBODY HAVE COMMENTS? UH, I WASN'T DECIDING WHAT IS BEST FOR YOU.UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF LEADERSHIP CLASSES THAT ARE AVAILABLE.
UH, YOU CHOSE HARVARD AND THAT'S THE ISSUE THAT WAS BEING BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION FOR THE EXPENSES.
IF YOU HAD LEADERSHIP SCHOOL FOR TML, WE WOULDN'T BE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION.
LIKE I SAID BEFORE, I'M NOT QUESTIONING WHETHER OR NOT YOU SHOULD GO, YOU'RE ASKING US TO PAY FOR IT.
ARE WE BEING STEWARDS OF THE PUBLIC FUNDS? THESE ARE TAXPAYER FUNDS.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE QUESTION HERE, BUT COUNCIL MEMBER DAVIS? YEAH, I, I, WITH ALL RESPECT TO THE REST OF THE COUNCIL, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GOING IN CIRCLES.
UM, I, I CAN CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THE VALUE OF, OF PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT, UM, AS A MUNICIPAL OFFICIAL, SPECIFICALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON WITH OUR STATE LEGISLATURE AND HOW THEY AFFECT OUR, OUR LOCAL COMMUNITY.
UH, THAT BEING SAID, YOU KNOW, I DO AGREE THAT THERE ARE PROBABLY SOME, UH, EDUCATIONAL VENUES THAT ARE MORE APPROPRIATE THAN OTHERS.
UH, AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA GET ANYWHERE OTHER THAN JUST TALKING IN CIRCLES TONIGHT.
UM, ULTIMATELY THIS IS A BUDGET ISSUE.
AND, AND I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS EITHER, AS PART OF OUR NORMAL PRE-BUDGET RETREAT OR BUDGET RETREAT, UH, WE NEED TO HAVE A LINE ITEM THAT TALKS ABOUT COUNCIL TRAINING, EDUCATION AND DEVELOPMENT, UH, AND FIGURE OUT WHAT KIND OF LIMITS WE WOULD WANNA PLACE OR WHAT KIND OF RESOURCES WE WOULD WANNA MAKE AVAILABLE TO, UM, COVER TRAVEL PER DIEM AND REGISTRATION, AND HAVE A FUNDAMENTAL DISCUSSION OF WHETHER OR NOT THAT DEVELOPMENT OF ELECTED OFFICIALS WOULD INCLUDE SOMETHING LIKE TUITION.
NOW, ME PERSONALLY, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH PAYING COURSE REGISTRATION FEES.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH TRAVEL REIMBURSEMENT FOR TRAVEL OR PER DIEM.
I, I KIND OF HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, HAVING THE RESIDENTS OUT OF OUR BUDGET PROCESS, PAYING TUITION, UH, FOR COLLEGE CLASSES.
THERE'S OTHER VENUES TO TAKE OR OTHER AVENUES TO TAKE COLLEGE CLASSES IF YOU WANNA WORK ON YOUR COLLEGE EDUCATION.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT SHOULD BE PART OF OUR, UM, OUR COUNCIL OFFICIAL POLICY OR OUR BUDGET PROCESS.
BUT AGAIN, I THINK THIS IS A DISCUSSION THAT WE NEED TO HAVE AS PART OF OUR, OUR PRE-BUDGET RETREAT AND OUR BUDGET RETREAT AND FIGURE OUT WHICH WAY WE WANNA GO FORWARD.
COUNCIL MEMBER WATSON, UM, I WAS GOING TO AGREE WITH DECIDING DURING THE BUDGET WHERE WE NEED TO GO FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL IN REGARDS TO THE EDUCATION, BECAUSE THERE'S OTHER OPTIONS THAT CAN BE, AND IF WE JUST OFFSET IT FOR THE SAME COST THAT TML WOULD, BUT I THINK THAT THERE'S OTHER OPTIONS TO, TO LOOK AT COUNCIL MEMBER GABRIEL.
I, I ALSO AGREE WITH WHAT'S, WHAT'S GOING ON.
UM, WE'RE BASICALLY, I MEAN, WE HAVE GOOD POINTS HERE.
UM, EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER, EVERY PERSON IS, IS, UH, ENTITLED TO DEVELOP THEIR LEADERSHIP SKILLS.
AND THEN AGAIN, THERE'S ALSO POLICY THAT WE HAVE HERE AT THE CITY.
SO DEFINITELY WE NEED TO GET INTO FURTHER DISCUSSION AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO, UH, SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA AGREE ON WITHIN POLICY.
OF COURSE, MAYOR, MAYOR, PEARL TEMP, BERT.
WE NEED TO HAVE THAT FUNDAMENTAL DISCUSSION ON POLICY AND THEN DECIDE WHERE WE'RE GOING FROM THERE.
UM, THIS WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT OTHER AVENUES OF BEING ABLE TO GET TRAINING.
UM, AND I'M THINKING THAT IN OUR BUDGET MEETING, OUR PRE-BUDGET MEETING, WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO DECIDE THAT AS A COUNCIL OR WE NEED TO HAVE DEFINITE DEFINITIONS OF WHAT WE WE'RE GOING TO DO AS A COUNCIL AND MAKE THOSE DECISIONS.
AND SO THE THINGS THAT I WAS SAYING ARE JUST IDEAS THAT WE CAN THINK ABOUT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT GOING INTO A POLICY DECISION ON TRYING TO DO IT.
BECAUSE IF COUNCIL VOTES ON THE BUDGET FOR THE RES, WE VOTE ON THE BUDGET TO PRESENT TO THE RESIDENTS.
THE COUNCIL SHOULD BE, SHOULD BE THE ONE TO MAKE THE DECISIONS ABOUT THE POLICY AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THAT MONEY AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING IT IN ACCORDANCE WITH DOING THE RIGHT THING AND BECOMING BETTER, UM, LEADERS AND REPRESENTATIVES FOR OUR CITY.
THAT'S WHAT TRAINING IS ALL ABOUT, IS
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LEARNING THINGS THAT YOU DIDN'T OTHERWISE KNOW OR PERFECTING ON SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW, BUT YOU'RE, YOU HAVE AN IDEA, BUT NOW YOU NEED TO PERFECT THAT.AND I THINK THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE NEED TO GO NOW, HOW WE SET THAT UP, IF IT'S A PRE-BUDGET MEETING OR ANOTHER, A COUNCIL RETREAT OR SOMETHING THAT WE NEED THAT WE DO, WE NEED TO COME UP WITH A POLICY AND VOTE ON A POLICY GOING FORWARD.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YES, COUNCIL MEMBER.
UM, SO I THINK THE CONSENSUS IS, IS CLARITY IS NEEDED.
UM, SO, UM, NOW WHICH COMES FIRST, THE BUDGET OR THE POLICY? UM, GOING FORWARD AND WORKING BACKWARDS.
WHEN IS THE, UM, TO BE THE POLICY, UH, SO THAT WE CAN BUDGET FOR IT FOR, FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR? UH, UM, SO FOR BUDGET, WHEN'S THE FIRST PRE-BUDGET MEETING? AUGUST.
SO AUGUST, WE'VE ALREADY HAD OUR PRE-BUDGET MEETING IN, IN MARCH.
WE'LL COME BACK AND WE'LL HAVE, UM, A BUDGET, A WORKSHOP LATER IN THE SUMMER.
BUT THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHEN WE'RE DONE WITH THE BUDGET AND WE'RE PRESENTING MOSTLY THE FULL PACKAGE TO YOU.
SO POTENTIALLY A RECOMMENDATION MIGHT BE THAT, UH, WE COME BACK AGAIN AT SOME POINT AND DISCUSS A POLICY FRAMEWORK.
AND JUST BY THE WAY OF INFORMATION, YOUR CURRENT BUDGET IN THE CITY COUNCIL DEPARTMENT BUDGET IS $25,000 FOR TRAVEL THIS YEAR.
SO POSSIBLE, UH, SOLUTION OR SUGGESTION MIGHT BE TO DO, ESSENTIALLY WHAT COUNCILMAN DAVIS SAID IS, OR BUILDING ON TOP OF THAT WOULD BE TO EACH COUNCIL MEMBER BUILDS OUT A LIST OF WHAT THEY THINK THEY MIGHT WANT TO DO FOR TRAINING FOR THE NEXT YEAR AND BRINGS THAT LIST FORWARD WITHIN A BUDGETARY NUMBER IF IT'S HIGHER THAN YOU DO, WHAT SAY WE WOULD DO AT THE STAFF LEVEL, WHICH IS TO DO A SUPPLEMENTAL REQUEST AND ESSENTIALLY ADD MORE MONEY TO THE BUDGET IF IT NEEDS TO BE ADDED AND, AND YOU GUYS COULD DECIDE WHAT'S APPROPRIATE AND NOT APPROPRIATE TO INCLUDE IN YOUR INDIVIDUAL REQUEST.
STAFF CAN HELP YOU WITH THAT AS WELL.
I MEAN, I, I'LL JUST OFFER THAT IN TERMS OF PULLING EVERYTHING TOGETHER AND WORK WITH THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE AND MAYBE HELP DEVELOP A POLICY FOR THE COUNCIL, A POLICY FRAMEWORK FOR THE COUNCIL.
IS THAT 25,000 JUST FOR OUR TRAINING OR IS THAT ALL TRAVEL ACROSS ALL, ALL EXPENSES PER JOB? IT'S TRAVEL TRAINING, TRAVEL TRAINING, TRAVEL CLASS CONFERENCES, CONTINUING EDUCATION, ET CETERA.
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YEAH, I JUST WANT TO MAKE MY, MY PERSONAL OPINION VERY CLEAR.
WE DON'T DO A BUDGET UNTIL WE HAVE A POLICY.
YOU DON'T SAY, OH, HERE'S $25,000, LET'S SEE WHAT WE CAN DO WITH IT.
LET'S GO, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO? AND THEN HOW MUCH DO WE NEED TO DO IT? SO MAYOR, HOW DO, HOW DO WE GET A POLICY, A FRAMEWORK, A POLICY BEFORE WE VOTE ON THE BUDGET? BECAUSE WE'RE VOTING ON THE BUDGET IN AUGUST, EARLY SEPTEMBER, EARLY SEPTEMBER, AUGUST.
SO WE NEED A POLICY IN PLACE BEFORE THEN THAT WE CAN SORT OF AT LEAST AGREE ON IN A FRAMEWORK OR SOMETHING.
SO, UM, THERE'S SORT OF, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WANNA DO IT IF STAFF NEEDS TO DO IT OR THE CITY COUNCIL NEEDS TO DO IT, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE WE PROBABLY SHOULD START, UM, GET A PROCESS AND START TALKING ABOUT IT BEFORE, YOU KNOW, BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE.
WELL, MOST OF OUR POLICIES OF RULES AND CONDUCTS ARE IN THAT 20 3M 28.
UH, WE ARE SCHEDULED TO BRING THAT UP NEXT WEEK BECAUSE IT'S OUTDATED.
THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED BY COUNCIL, BUT THIS ISSUE IS NOT PART OF THAT DISCUSSION.
UH, WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE TO COME BACK ON THAT ONE TOO.
UH, WE'RE JUST HAVING A WORKSHOP TO PINPOINT THE ISSUES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH 20 3M 28.
AND WE, WE WILL BRING, LIKE I SAID ON THE 17TH, WE'LL BRING THAT, THAT UP TO COUNCIL.
BUT THIS POLICY WOULD NEED A LITTLE MORE WORK TO ADD TO OUR, OUR CONDUCT AND PROCEDURES.
UH, SO IT WILL PROBABLY BE, UH, PROBABLY THE END OF JULY, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, BASED UPON PAST PERFORM.
IT'S NOT NEGATIVE, BUT JUST BASED UPON PAST THINGS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP BEFORE THE COUNCIL, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA TAKE 2, 3, 4 MEETINGS.
AND SO IF YOU START IT IN JULY, IT DOESN'T GET DONE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE MULTIPLE MEETING AH, TWO, THREE MEETINGS.
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CLOSE.UM, SO IF IT CAN BE DONE BY JULY AND START IN JULY, OH NO, THAT'S WHEN WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO DISCUSS IT.
WELL THEN THAT MEANS, OKAY, LEMME PUT IT THIS WAY.
SHOULD I DEVELOP, UH, SEND SOMETHING OUT OR SHOULD THE, YOU WANT TO NOMINATE SOME PEOPLE TO SIT TO PUT IT TOGETHER, DOCUMENT, AND THEN FORWARD IT TO YOU TO PUT ONTO THE AGENDA.
HOW DO YOU WANT TO TASK THIS TO GET A DOCUMENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL? IT COULD BE 1, 2, 3, 4.
HOW DO YOU WANNA, HOW DO YOU WANT TO GET A, A DOCUMENT? OH, UH, STEVE, IF YOU COULD GET WITH TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS.
MAYOR, I WAS GOING TO, I I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP.
POSSIBLY WE COULD PUT TOGETHER TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS, MAYBE THREE AND STAFF CAN WORK TOGETHER TO TRY AND DEVELOP SOMETHING AT LEAST A, A CONSTRUCT AND MM-HMM
SOMETHING THAT WE CAN PRESENT TO THE COUNCIL.
SO MAYBE THREE ON THE DAAS WATSON, COUNCILWOMAN WATSON.
YEAH, I'VE SEEN TWO VOLUNTEERS.
UH, SO I THINK THERE WAS A TERM, THERE WAS A TERM BEING PASSIONATELY PROFESSIONAL.
AND SO LISTEN, I BROUGHT IT UP.
UM, I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT IT AND SO I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO CLOSE TO THE FIRE.
IF IT CAN BE DONE WITH TWO PEOPLE, TWO CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, THAT'S FINE WITH ME.
I, UH, I WILL DEFER TO CITY COUNCIL AND THEIR JUDGMENT.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND JUST, UH, TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS.
MAYOR, I PRO TE HAYWARD, DO YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? UM, NO, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, BUT STEVE ANSWERED.
I WAS GONNA SAY IT SHOULD BE CITY COUNCIL THAT COMES UP WITH THEIR POLICY INSTEAD OF TASKING STAFF FOR EVERYTHING.
COUNSEL, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALRIGHT, I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER COMMENTS.