[1. CALL TO ORDER / ROLL CALL THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING]
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IT IS, UH, 6:00 PM AND THIS IS THE JUNE 4TH, 2025 MEETING OF THE CHURCH'S CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
UM, AND QUICKLY, UH, WE HAVE TWO MEETINGS THIS EVENING.
THIS BEING THE FIRST, UH, WE'RE, UH, WE'LL WORK THROUGH THIS VERY SHORT AGENDA AND THEN AFTER THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ADVISORY COMMISSION, OUR COMMITTEE, UH, MEETING ADJOURNS, THEN WE'LL BEGIN THE, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE COMMISSION.
[2. SEAT ALTERNATE TO ACT IF REQUIRED]
SO THE CALL, THE ORDER AND, UH, SEAT AND ALTERNATE TO ACTIVE REQUIRED.WE HAVE, UH, MR. HUGHES JOINING US THIS EVENING.
[3. HEARING OF RESIDENTS This time is set aside for any person who wishes to address the Capital Improvement Advisory Committee. Each person should fill out the Speaker’s register prior to the meeting. Presentations should be limited to no more than three (3) minutes. Discussion by the Committee of any item not on the agenda shall be limited to statements of specific factual information given in response to any inquiry, a recitation of existing policy in response to an inquiry, and/or a proposal to place the item on a future agenda. The presiding officer, during the Hearing of Residents portion of the agenda, will call on those persons who have signed up to speak in the order they have registered.]
NUMBER THREE IS HEARING OF RESIDENCE.ANYBODY SIGN UP TO SPEAK DURING THE NO.
ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
[A. Hold a public hearing, consider, and file the past two semi-annual reports evaluating the progress of the City on achieving the capital improvements program and identifying any problems in implementing the plans or administering the capital recovery fees.]
HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER AND FILE THE PAST TWO SEMI-ANNUAL REPORTS, EVALUATING THE PROGRESS OF THE CITY ON ACHIEVING THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM AND IDENTIFYING ANY PROBLEMS AND IMPLEMENTING THE PLANS OR ADMINISTERING THE CAPITAL RECOVERY FEES.AND THE WAY WE'LL DO THIS IS, UM, KATHY, OUR CITY ENGINEER, WILL GIVE US A PRESENTATION, UH, AND THEN WE'LL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
THE COMMITTEE WILL, UH, DISCUSS IT AND MAKE A RECOMMEND VOTE ON A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.
OKAY, KATHY? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU CHAIRMAN.
UM, GOOD EVENING COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
UM, I DON'T REALLY HAVE A VISUAL PRESENTATION FOR YOU, BUT YOU HAVE THE DOCUMENTS IN YOUR PACKET AND I THOUGHT I WOULD JUST KIND OF GO DOWN THE LIST AND GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE VERBAL UPDATE ON WHERE WE ARE WITH THE PROJECTS THAT ARE UNDERWAY.
UM, AND, UH, AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU'VE GOT.
SO, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS EVENING, NORMALLY WE COME WITH A SEMI-ANNUAL REPORT.
SO IT'S EITHER THE FIRST HALF OF THIS FISCAL YEAR OR THE SECOND HALF OF A FISCAL YEAR.
WE GOT A LITTLE BIT BEHIND WITH THE WORK ON THE, UM, THE MASTER PLANS AND IMPACT FEE UPDATES FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER.
SO WE'RE ACTUALLY BRINGING TWO SEMI-ANNUAL REPORTS, AND WE DID KEEP THEM SEPARATE.
THEY'RE STILL SEMI-ANNUAL REPORTS, BUT THE FIRST COVERS THE PERIOD FROM APRIL 1ST, 2024 TO SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2024.
SO THAT'S THE SECOND HALF OF FISCAL YEAR 24.
AND THEN THE NEXT ONE COVERS OCTOBER 1ST OF 24 TO MARCH 31ST OF 25.
THAT'S THE FIRST HALF OF FISCAL YEAR 25.
UH, SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN, UH, INCURRING COSTS DURING THOSE PERIODS.
AND, UM, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE FINANCIALS TO BACK IT UP.
UH, SO THE FIRST ONE IS, UH, ONE OF OUR LARGE PROJECTS, THE CORBETT GROUND STORAGE TANK.
THIS IS DOWN AT THE END OF, UH, RAY CORBETT DRIVE, AND IT IS A GROUND STORAGE TANK TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL STORAGE CAPACITY FOR WATER RECEIVED FROM S-S-L-G-C.
AND IT HAS A PUMPING STATION WITH IT THAT PUMPS UP INTO THE ELEVATED TANK THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED A FEW YEARS BACK.
UH, FOR THIS ONE, THE EXPENSES IN THE SECOND HALF OF FY 24 WERE ALMOST $3 MILLION IN THE FIRST HALF OF FISCAL YEAR 25 WAS ABOUT $2.2 MILLION.
UM, ALSO I'LL REMIND EVERYONE THAT WE DID GET A $3.5 MILLION GRANT FROM THE EPA FOR THIS TOWARD, TOWARD THIS $8 MILLION PROJECT.
UM, WE DID RECEIVE THAT WE CONTINUE TO DO, UM, SEMI-ANNUAL REPORTS WITH THEM.
WE DO NEED TO COLLECT CERTIFIED PAYROLLS BECAUSE IT'S FEDERALLY FUNDED.
UM, SO OUR CONSULTANT HELPS US WITH THAT REPORTING REQUIREMENT.
UH, THE NEXT PROJECT IS, UH, THE CITYWIDE MASTER PLAN AND IMPACT FEE UPDATE FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER.
AND, UM, YOU ALL ARE, ARE WELL AWARE OF THAT YOU PARTICIPATED IN, UH, THE ADOPTION OF THE UPDATED IMPACT FEE RATES, WHICH WERE, UM, ACCEPTED AND ADOPTED BY COUNCIL IN APRIL.
SO THE STATUS WITH THAT ACTUALLY IS THAT BECAUSE OF SOME LEGISLATION THAT CAME TO OUR ATTENTION AT THE 11TH HOUR, UH, THAT WOULD NOT ALLOW US TO INCREASE IMPACT FEES WITHIN A THREE YEAR OR FIVE YEAR, UM, TIME AFTER ADOPTION OF AN INCREASE, WE HAD TO, UM, WE ACTUALLY HAD A, A DISCUSSION WITH COUNCIL AND WE ENDED UP NOT GOING WITH THE PHASE IN APPROACH BECAUSE IF WE PHASED IT IN, WE WOULD BE LOCKED IN FOR THREE OR FIVE YEARS.
UM, AND I THINK BRIAN, I'M SORRY I'M ILL PREPARED.
WHICH OF THE TWO, UM, BILLS PASSED
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IF IT'S THE THREE OR THE FIVE YEAR.BUT IT WAS EITHER THREE OR FIVE AND COUNCIL FELT THAT THAT WAS, UM, TOO LONG FOR US TO BE KIND OF STUCK AT THAT LOWER RATE.
SO THEY WENT AHEAD AND ADOPTED THE MAXIMUM ACCESSIBLE FEES, UM, WHICH WE, WE HAD KIND OF GOTTEN, UH, THE IDEA THAT YOU ALL MIGHT, AT AT LEAST ONE PERSON WAS IN FAVOR OF, OF, UH, QUICKENING THE, UH, PHASING PERIOD.
WE'RE CURRENTLY IN A GRACE PERIOD, UH, PROPERTIES THAT WERE PLATTED AS OF JUNE 1ST.
SO ANYTHING THAT WAS PLATTED PRIOR TO THIS ARE GONNA ALWAYS BE UNDER THE OLD RATES.
ANYTHING PLATTED FROM JUNE 1ST ON, THEY'RE UNDER THE NEW RATES.
BUT IF SOMEONE PLATS AND GETS THEIR PLAT RECORDED DURING THIS MONTH, UM, AND THEN THEY TURN IN A BUILDING PERMIT THAT QUICKLY BEFORE JULY 1ST, THEY'LL STILL PAY THE OLD RATES.
UH, I DON'T REALLY SEE, UM, TOO MANY PLATS BEING RECORDED, UM, IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
UH, SO CHANCES ARE THERE WON'T BE MANY FOLKS TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THAT GRACE PERIOD.
BUT, UM, BUT JULY 1ST, EVERYONE WHO PLATTED AFTER JUNE FOR OR WHOSE PLATS WERE RECORDED AFTER JUNE 1ST WILL BE ASSESSED THE HIGHER RATES.
SO THAT ONE IS COMPLETE, NO MORE, NO MORE CHARGES WILL OCCUR, UM, DURING THE NEXT PERIOD, UH, WHERE SINE TO LOWER SINE AND GRAY TOWN FOR TO FILE LOOP LINES.
UM, OUR EXPENSES ARE NOT A WHOLE LOT.
WHAT, WHAT WE'VE BEEN STRUGGLING WITH AND WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW IS GETTING THE EASEMENTS.
AND WE'VE GOT A FEW PROPERTY OWNERS WHO AREN'T, AREN'T SUPER HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
WE'RE ACTUALLY CONSIDERING, UH, MINOR ADJUSTMENT TO THE PROJECT TO REROUTE, UH, THE LINE TO PERHAPS EASE THE SITUATION WITH GETTING SOME OF THOSE EASEMENTS.
UM, BUT WE DO RECOGNIZE THESE, THIS PROJECT HAS BECOME INCREASINGLY IMPORTANT.
IT WILL HELP WITH PRESSURES IN SOUTHERN SHIRTS AND, UM, WE, WITH, WITH THE SUMMERTIME, I THINK LARRY HAS, HAS MENTIONED THAT WE'RE ALREADY SEEING SOME LOWER AND LOWER PRESSURES DOWN THERE.
SO WE REALLY NEED TO GET THIS PROJECT, UH, CONSTRUCTED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
SO OUR EXPENSES WERE FAIRLY MINIMAL THOUGH, UH, BECAUSE A LOT OF IT IS WAITING.
SO WE'RE NOT PAYING OUR CONSULTANTS A TON WHILE, WHILE WE'RE JUST WAITING, UH, TO HEAR ABOUT THESE EASEMENTS.
SO $7,300 IN THE SECOND HALF OF FY 24 AND 14,000 IN THE FIRST HALF OF FY 25.
SO THOSE ARE THE WATER PROJECTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY UNDERWAY THAT ARE FUNDED WITH IMPACT FEES FOR SEWER PROJECTS.
WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THE COMPLETION OF THE WOMAN HOLLERING CREEK WASTEWATER PROJECT.
UH, WE EXPENDED A LITTLE OVER A MILLION DOLLARS IN THE SECOND HALF OF 24 AND ABOUT 622,000 IN THE FIRST HALF OF FY 25.
SO THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT THE LIFT STATION IS OPERATIONAL.
THAT PROJECT IS ACTUALLY WORKING, UH, VERY WELL.
WE HAVE FLOW GOING TO THE CCMA SOUTH PLANT, SO THEY'VE STARTED UP AND, AND THINGS ARE GOING WELL.
UM, WE'VE GOT TONS OF CAPACITY TO TRANSPORT WASTEWATER IN THE SOUTHERN WESTERN SOUTHWESTERN PART OF THE CITY.
UM, WE HAVE RUN INTO SOME, UH, THIS SITUATION THAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH CAPACITY ALLOCATED TO US IN THE CCMA PLANT TO BE ABLE TO SERVE ALL THE FOLKS WHO WOULD LIKE TO TIE INTO THIS LINE.
SO WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT, UH, WITH COUNCIL AND WITH SLO AND WITH GREEN VALLEY SUD AS WELL.
UH, THE PROJECT STILL HAS, UM, QUITE A BIT OF WORK TO DO.
UM, THERE WERE NEW FENCES PUT ALONG THE ROUTE OF THE PROJECT.
IT'S ABOUT FIVE MILES LONG AND, UM, WE HAD SOME ISSUES WITH THE FENCES, SO SOUNDS LIKE A LITTLE THING FENCES, BUT FIVE MILES WORTH OF FENCING IS QUITE A BIT.
THE CONTRACTOR'S WORKING ON, ON SHORING THAT UP.
AND THERE'S STILL SOME, UH, DEMO WORK TO BE DONE AT THE OLD SEDONA LIFT STATION AND SOME, UH, TIDY UP WORK AT THE, THE NEW WOMAN HOLLERING LIFT STATION THAT IS LONG I 10.
UM, I ALREADY REPORTED ON THE CITYWIDE WASTEWATER AND WATER MASTER PLAN, SAME REPORT FOR EACH.
UH, AND THE OTHER PROJECT IS A BIG PROJECT THAT WE WE'RE JUST STARTING THE SLO WEST WASTEWATER TRUNK MAIN.
SO IT'S SIMILAR TO THE WOMAN HOLLERING TRUNK MAIN.
IT'LL BE CLOSER TO THE SLO CREEK AND SO IT'LL PICK UP A DIFFERENT, UM, SEWER SHED OR DRAINAGE AREA.
AND IT DOES NOT HAVE A LIFT STATION ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
BUT WE ARE WORKING ON A ROUTE STUDY TO IDENTIFY THE APPROPRIATE ROUTE SO THAT WE CAN GET QUEUED UP FOR DESIGN AND TO START ACQUIRING EASEMENTS FOR THAT LINE.
AND THAT IS A JOINT PROJECT THAT WE'RE DOING
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WITH GREEN VALLEY SUD BECAUSE THEY HAVE SOME CCN IN THE AREA ALSO.SO WE'RE COLLABORATING ON THE PROJECT SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DUPLICATE INFRASTRUCTURE.
UH, AND, AND SO FAR WE'RE WORKING VERY WELL TOGETHER.
UH, SO WE JUST STARTED THE PROJECT FIRST HALF OF FY 25.
UH, WE EXPENDED $28,000 FOR ROADWAY.
WE HAVEN'T SPENT A LOT OF IMPACT FEES, UM, IN THESE LAST TWO PERIODS.
UH, THE ONLY THING, THE ONLY CHARGE WE ACTUALLY HAD WAS ABOUT $55,000.
UM, AND THAT IS THE PAYBACK THAT WE DO ANNUALLY FOR THE, UM, EXTENSION OF RIPS CHRYSLER, THE DEVELOPER WENT AHEAD AND BUILT IT, AND WE'RE PAYING BACK, UH, I BELIEVE 30% OF EVERYTHING WE TAKE IN IN THAT SERVICE AREA EACH YEAR UNTIL IT'S PAID OFF.
SO WE'RE DOWN TO, UH, $93,000 AND I THINK IT WAS AROUND 350,000 WHEN WE STARTED.
UM, SO WE'RE DOING PRETTY WELL WITH THAT.
UM, SO THOSE ARE THE PROJECTS.
AND THEN, UM, HOPEFULLY IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE, THE FISCAL BACKUP, UH, THAT JAMES WALTERS, OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR PUT TOGETHER, I CAN HOPEFULLY ANSWER THAT.
IT, UH, GETS A LITTLE TECHNICAL SOMETIMES, BUT, BUT WE'LL GIVE IT A TRY.
LOOKS WHAT LIKE, UH, BRIAN HAS AN UPDATE FOR US.
SO, YEAH, SO KATHY MENTIONED WE WERE TRACKING SOME OF THE LEGISLATURE AND IN FACT WE JUST WERE CHATTING ABOUT IT EARLIER TOO.
SO, UH, SENATE BILL 18 83, 1 OF THE TWO THAT WE WERE TRACKING DID GET APPROVED.
IT'S BEEN SENT TO THE GOVERNOR.
UM, AND WHAT IT DID DO, IS IT, SO I GUESS OUR CALLS DID MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
UH, BASICALLY IT HAS A, A LIMITATION THAT WE MAY NOT INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF AN IMPACT FEE FOR THREE YEARS FROM THE WAITER DATE OF WHEN THE FEE WAS ADOPTED, OR MOST, WE MOST RECENTLY INCREASED, BUT THEN GOES ON TO SAY NOTHING IN THE SECTION PROHIBITS A POLITICAL SUBDIVISION FROM IMPLEMENTING AN IMPACT FEE COLLECTION SCHEDULE THAT ALLOWS LESS THAN THE MAXIMUM ADOPTED IMPACT FEE TO BE COLLECTED OR PHASED IN UP TO THE MAXIMUM ADOPTED IMPACT FEE FOR A PERIOD NOT TO EXCEED 10 YEARS.
SO WE HAD TOLD COUNSEL WE WOULD GO BACK TO THEM, UH, IF A PROVISION LIKE THAT GOT IN.
SO WE'LL SEE IF IT GETS SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR, I ASSUME THEY'LL WANT FEEDBACK FROM CIAC.
UH, THE OTHER BIT OF NEWS, JUST AS I WAS CHATTING WITH COMMISSIONER OUTLAW THOUGH, IS THAT THE CURRENT STATE LAW SAYS, UH, WE MAY APPOINT P AND Z, UH, TO THE CIAC WITH A REP FROM THE REAL ESTATE AND ETJ, UH, THAT HAS CHANGED IN THIS AS WELL.
AND THE NEW PROVISION SAYS, UM, NOT LESS THAN 50% OF THE MEMBERSHIP OF THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE MUST BE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT OR BUILDING INDUSTRIES WHO ARE NOT EMPLOYEES OR OFFICIALS OF THE POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OR GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY.
AND THEN AGAIN, WE STILL HAVE TO HAVE A REP FROM THE ETJ, UH, IF WE CHARGE IN THE ETJ.
SO, UH, IF THIS GETS SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR, THEN WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO KIND OF OUR MAKEUP OF CIAC.
SO WE'LL COME BACK WITH A, A REPORT ON THAT IF, IF AND WHEN IT'S SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR TO SORT OF CONFIRM ALL OF THIS AND THEN ALSO REQUEST IF YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL TO GO BACK AND REEVALUATE THAT PHASE IN, UM, PROCESS.
SO I, I DID ALSO, THIS ISN'T REALLY PART OF THE, UM, PRESENTATION.
I WANT TO GIVE YOU CHANCE TO ASK QUESTIONS, BUT I'M JUST GONNA LET YOU KNOW THAT I BROUGHT A COPY OF OUR, UM, MEMO THAT WE DO MONTHLY FOR COUNCIL THAT GIVES AN UPDATE ON ALL THE CITY'S MAJOR PROJECTS.
AND SO THE PROJECTS THAT I TALKED ABOUT ARE IN HERE, AND I WANT TO KIND OF JUST REMIND EVERYONE THAT IT, IT DOES GET DONE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE AGENDAS FOR CITY COUNCIL, IT'S, UH, AT THE BOTTOM OF THE FIRST AGENDA OF THE MONTH, USUALLY AROUND THE HOLIDAYS.
SOMETIMES IT GETS BUMPED TO THE SECOND OR OR THIRD MEETING, BUT, UM, IF THERE'S A THIRD MEETING, BUT YOU CAN FIND IT THERE REGULARLY.
UM, AND SO WE GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE PROJECTS.
AND SO YOU CAN SEE WE DO HAVE QUITE A FEW MORE PROJECTS OTHER THAN JUST THE ONES THAT WE TALK ABOUT HERE.
WE ONLY TALK HERE ABOUT THE ONES THAT ARE FUNDED BY IMPACT FEES, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS CAPITAL RECOVERY.
SO I'LL HAND THIS OUT, BUT FIRST IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT APPROACH THIS MONTH.
EXCUSE ME, ALL, UM, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO IT IS, UH, SIX 14 AND I'LL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC COMMENT IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO, UH, ADDRESS THE
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COMMITTEE ON, UH, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT REPORTS AS GIVEN BY OUR CITY ENGINEER.IT IS, UM, SIX 15 AND PUBLIC INPUT PORTION IS CLOSED.
AND I'LL START WITH A QUESTION, PROBABLY TWO QUESTIONS.
UM, DO WE NEED TO TREAT THESE REPORTS SEPARATELY? AND ARE WE, UH, REC, ARE WE GONNA RECOMMEND EXCEPTION, YOU KNOW, ACCEPTANCE OR TO, IN OTHER WORDS, DO WE NEED TO, DO WE NEED A, A MOTION FOR EACH ONE TO SEND IT TO COUNSEL? CAN WE DO 'EM AS A PACKAGE? YOU CAN, YOU CAN DO 'EM AS A PACKAGE.
YEAH, I WOULD SAY IF THERE, IF THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH ONE OF THEM, THEN WE'D PROBABLY WANNA SPLIT THEM APART.
RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ONE AND NOT THE OTHER.
IF THERE'S NO ISSUE WITH EITHER, YOU COULD RECOMMEND THAT COUNSEL ACCEPT.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? GONNA LET KATHY OFF EASY THIS TIME.
WHEN WILL, WHEN DO THEY ANTICIPATE THE GOVERNOR SIGNING THE BILL? IS THERE A DATE? THAT'S OKAY IF, IF THE ANSWER, IF THE ANSWER'S NO, THEN IT'S NO.
YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S NOT REALLY, AND AND ALSO THERE'S THE DEAL, IF THE GOVERNOR DOESN'T SIGN OR DOESN'T VETO IT, THEN IT GOES THROUGH.
UH, BUT TYPICALLY HE SORT OF DOES 'EM IN BATCHES.
SO MY ASSUMPTION IS WE'LL PROBABLY KNOW WITHIN A MONTH.
MY ASSUMPTION IS HE'LL SIGN THIS ONE.
I, THERE'S NO REASON HE WOULDN'T.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S PART OF THE KIND OF WHAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING.
AND SO WE'RE ASSUMING IT'S GONNA GO INTO EFFECT, BUT I WOULD BET WE'LL KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETIME THIS MONTH, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF, SO, SO WHEN WE KNOW THE ADJUDICATION OF THAT BILL, WILL YOU COME BACK AND BRIEF US ON THIS IS THE ACTUAL LAW NOW BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS BRIEFING US OF THE BILL RIGHT HERE.
HERE'S, HERE'S THE BILL, THIS IS WHAT THE LAW, SO WE KNOW WHAT IT'LL BE.
SO YEAH, WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL DO AN UPDATE FOR YOU AS TO WHAT MADE IT THROUGH.
WHAT WE WILL PROBABLY DO IS, UH, DO A SESSION AT SOME POINT OVER THE SUMMER WITH HERE ALL THE THINGS THAT GOT APPROVED THAT AFFECT YOU AND DO A BUNCH OF 'EM AT ONCE.
OH MAN, I WANNA BE ABLE TO ANSWER ALL THE QUESTIONS.
NO, IT'S, IT'S ANOTHER LAW LAW QUESTION.
DID I HEAR YOU RIGHT THAT WHAT THE BILL DOES IS, IS PUT IN A PHASE IN PLAN? IS THAT WHAT IT DOES? SO NOW WHAT THE, SO, SO THE ISSUE WAS, RIGHT, IS THE BILL, THE CURRENT LAW ALLOWS YOU TO UPDATE YOUR IMPACT FEES AS OFTEN AS YOU WANT AND MAKE INCREASES AS OFTEN AS YOU WANT.
THE INITIAL BILL THAT WAS SUBMITTED, THE WAY IT WAS WORDED BASICALLY SAID YOU COULDN'T UPDATE YOUR IMPACT FEES FOR THREE YEARS OR FIVE YEARS FROM WHEN YOU UPDATED IT TO INCREASE THEM.
IT CREATED A PROBLEM IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS, RIGHT? ONE WAS THIS PHASE IN THAT WE DO THE OTHER, AND THEORETICALLY THIS IS LESS IMPACTFUL BECAUSE OF WHAT THE STATE HAS DONE WITH ANNEXATION AND ETJ LAW.
BUT AS YOU KNOW, ROADWAY IMPACT FEES, UNLIKE UTILITY, WE CAN ONLY CHARGE IN THE CITY LIMITS.
AND SO AS WE UPDATE, AS WE ANNEXED PROPERTY, WE WOULD HAVE TO EITHER DO AN AGREEMENT THAT THEY PAY AN EQUIVALENT TO THE ROADWAY IMPACT FEE OR, OR MORE PREFERABLE WE JUST DO AN UPDATE TO THE ROADWAY IMPACT FEE.
AGAIN, GENERALLY WE KEPT THE AMOUNT THAT WE WERE CHARGING THE SAME, BUT IT NOW BROUGHT THEM INTO THE SERVICE AREA.
GOING FORWARD, WE'LL HAVE TO, AGAIN, THAT'S LESS PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE WE'RE NOT LIKELY TO ANNEX MUCH PROPERTY ANYTIME GOING FORWARD BECAUSE OF OTHER CHANGES.
BUT THOSE WERE THE TWO THINGS THAT WHEN I CALLED BETTEN COURT'S OFFICE AND STAFF PERSON AND SAID, HEY, YOU, IT'S GOT SOME ISSUES WITH US, BUT THE ONE I REALLY EMPHASIZED WAS WE DO THIS PHASE IN, WE HAD PROPOSED THIS THREE YEAR PHASE IN, BUT IF THE WAY THE BILL IS WRITTEN, WE'RE GONNA JUST GO UP TO THE MAX BECAUSE WE CAN'T, I DIDN'T GET A WHOLE LOT OF REACTION FROM HIM.
UM, AND HADN'T SEEN THAT THAT HAD BEEN PUT IN, BUT APPARENTLY, I GUESS THEY MAY HAVE HEARD FROM SOME OTHERS OR IT CARRIED SOME SWAY AND, AND SO THEY, THEY ADDED THAT IN.
SO, UH, NOW WHAT IT LETS US DO IS INCREASE IT AS LONG AS WE DON'T GO ABOVE THE MAX.
SO I, I'LL HAVE TO READ IT IN MORE DETAIL, BUT I THINK THE ASSUMPTION IS, IS THAT, OR MY IMPRESSION WOULD BE IS THAT IF WE UPDATED OUR IMPACT FEES AND WENT TO THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT, THAT IT STILL PREVENTS US FROM DOING ANOTHER STUDY WITHIN THAT TIMEFRAME AND IMPLEMENTING A HIGHER AMOUNT.
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SO SAY FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE SOME BIG CHANGE IN THE COMMUNITIES COSTS GO UP, WE SAY, HEY, LET'S REDO THE STUDY.WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT ON MY INITIAL READING, BUT LET ME, LET ME LOOK AT IT IN MORE DETAIL.
BUT IT SEEMS TO SPECIFICALLY ALLOW WHAT I ASKED THEM TO DO, WHICH IS IF YOU STAY BELOW AND YOU WANT TO DO A PHASE IN, YOU CAN DO THAT.
THERE'S ALSO OTHER STUFF IN THERE.
IT REQUIRES THIS BIG AUDIT NOW, UM, AND, AND CHANGES THE MAKEUP OF CIAC AND SOME THINGS LIKE THAT.
YEAH, IT SOUNDS LIKE BASED ON WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU READ TO US OR WHAT YOU THOUGHT IS, UH, WE ESTABLISH A MAXIMUM AND THE, AND WE CAN'T EXCEED THAT MAXIMUM FOR FIVE YEARS OR WHATEVER, BUT IT'S GONNA ALLOW US TO TAKE MORE THAN ONE YEAR TO GET TO THAT MAXIMUM.
SO, SO WHAT I THINK IT DOES, YOU MAY REMEMBER WHEN WE DO THESE UPDATES, RIGHT, AND WE'RE COMING INTO ROADWAY, IS THAT WHEN YOU DO THIS STUDY, YOU KNOW, OF HERE'S OUR INFRASTRUCTURE NETWORK THAT IS NECESSITATED TO BE BUILT BY NEW DEVELOPMENT AND HERE'S WHAT THE ESTIMATED COST OF THAT IS.
THEN WE DO THE STUDY BASED ON HOW MUCH GROWTH WE HAVE AND HOW MUCH DEMAND IT PUTS, AND WE COME UP WITH THAT MAXIMUM ACCESSIBLE IMPACT FEE.
THAT WHAT I THINK IT MEANS IS YOU CAN'T REDO YOUR STUDY TO GO OVER THAT AND YOU WOULD HAVE TO REDO YOUR STUDY TO INCREASE FROM THAT AMOUNT.
SO I THINK I, I THINK THEIR FRUSTRATION AT THE LEGISLATURE WAS HEARING FROM FOLKS SAYING TWO THINGS.
CITIES DO THESE STUDIES AND WE ALL KIND OF KNOW AND PLAN FOR IT, BUT THEN THEY COME BACK IN REAL QUICK AND DO ANOTHER ONE AND CATCH US OFF GUARD AND THEN IT GOES UP AND WE WANT A PERIOD OF CERTAINTY AS TO HOW MUCH WE WOULD PAY, RIGHT? THE OTHER THING THEY'VE DONE IS GREATER NOTICE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, BASICALLY THAT HEY, CITY SNEAK THIS STUFF THROUGH AND WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT.
AND, AND SO THERE'S INCREASED NOTICE REQUIREMENTS SINCE IT SAYS 60 DAYS, IT'S 120 DAYS AND THIS, THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER.
UM, BUT, BUT AGAIN, WE'LL SEND THE BILL OUT WHEN WE GOT IT WITH THE SUMMARY.
ANYONE ELSE? CAN I HAVE A, UM, A MOTION RECOMMENDING CITY COUNCIL ACCEPT, UH, BOTH THESE REPORTS AS SUBMITTED BY STAFF? I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL TO ACCEPT BOTH OF THESE REPORTS AS SUBMITTED BY STAFF.
I HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, FORWARD THESE TO CITY COUNCIL RECOMMENDING ACCEPTANCE.
UM, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
IS THERE ANY MORE DISCUSSION? OKAY.
UM, WE'LL START WITH A, THIS HAS, WE'RE STILL STUCK IN THE STONE AGE WITH A VOICE VOTE.
SO WE'LL START DOWN HERE WITH DR.
SO WHAT HAVE I GOT? SEVEN TONIGHT OR EIGHT? EIGHT.
ALRIGHT, SO IT IS NOW, UH, 6 23 AND THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS ADJOURNED.
WE'LL TAKE JUST A COUPLE MINUTES TO RESHUFFLE HERE AND WE'LL, WE'LL GET ON WITH PNZ.
SHORN, THANKS AGAIN FOR JOINING US THIS EVENING.
[1. CALL TO ORDER / ROLL CALL THE REGULAR PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION MEETING]
AND CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.THIS IS THE JUNE 4TH, 2025 REGULAR MEETING OF THE SHIRTS, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
[2. SEAT ALTERNATE TO ACT IF REQUIRED]
UH, ITEM NUMBER TWO IS TO, UH, SEE AN ALTERNATE AND, UH, MR. HUGHES IS STILL WITH US.WE JUST MOVED HIM DOWN THIS END TO ACCOMMODATE OUR, OUR ELECTRONIC VOTING SYSTEM.
[3. HEARING OF RESIDENTS This time is set aside for any person who wishes to address the Planning and Zoning Commission. Each person should fill out the Speaker’s register prior to the meeting. Presentations should be limited to no more than three (3) minutes. Discussion by the Commission of any item not on the agenda shall be limited to statements of specific factual information given in response to any inquiry, a recitation of existing policy in response to an inquiry, and/or a proposal to place the item on a future agenda. The presiding officer, during the Hearing of Residents portion of the agenda, will call on those persons who have signed up to speak in the order they have registered.]
THREE IS HEARING OF RESIDENCE.DID ANYBODY SIGN UP? OKAY, CAN I HAVE THAT ROSTER? ALRIGHT, WELL, WHILE THEY'RE DOING THERE, LET, LET ME EXPLAIN SOMETHING TO YOU.
UM, HEARING OF RESIDENCE, IF, IF YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK ON, WE HAVE, UH, UM, THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS TONIGHT.
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YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO SIGN IT.YOU DON'T HAVE TO SIGN UP TO SPEAK AT A PUBLIC HEARING IF YOU DID, IF YOU'RE ON THE HEARING OF RESIDENTS ROSTER, UH, YOU KIND OF HAVE AN OPTION.
YOU HAVE A COUPLE, YOU CAN, YOU CAN SPEAK NOW FOR, UH, THREE MINUTES AND AGAIN, AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, OR YOU CAN, IT'S YOUR OPTION.
YOU CAN JUST WAIT AND SPEAK AT THE PUBLIC HEARING AFTER YOU HEAR THE PRESENTATIONS.
UM, ANYWAY, THE HEARING OF RESIDENCE TIME IS SET ASIDE FOR ANY PERSON WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION.
EACH PERSON SHOULD SIGN OUT, WELL, YOU DID JUST FILL THIS OUT.
PRESENTATION SHOULD BE LIMITED TO NO MORE THAN THREE MINUTES.
DISCUSSION BY THE COMMISSION OF ANY ITEM NOT ON THE AGENDA SHALL BE LIMITED TO STATEMENTS OF SPECIFIC FACTUAL INFORMATION GIVEN IN RESPONSE TO ANY INQUIRY OR RECITATION OF EXISTING POLICY IN RESPONSE TO AN INQUIRY AND OR PROPOSAL TO PLACE AN ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA.
THE PRESIDING OFFICER DURING THE HEARING OF RESIDENCE, PORTION OF THE AGENDA WILL CALL ON THOSE PERSONS WHO HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK IN THE ORDER THEY HAVE REGISTERED.
AND, UH, IS THIS THERESA GOMEZ? YES.
SO, UM, THERE'S NO ONE ELSE ON THE NOTE.
WE DIDN'T GET ANY EMAILS OR TEXT OR ANY WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS FOR HEARING OF RESIDENCE? NO.
[4. CONSENT AGENDA:]
ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS OUR CONSENT AGENDA.THERE'S A SINGLE ITEM ON THAT AGENDA, AND THAT IS THE MINUTES FOR THE MAY 7TH, 2025 REGULAR MEETING.
THERE ARE NO, UH, THERE'S NO DISCUSSION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
SO COMMISSIONERS, DO WE NEED TO, UM, DOES THAT ITEM NEED TO BE PULLED FOR DISCUSSION? OKAY, IN THAT FACT, UH, CAN, CAN I HAVE A, A, A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA? MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE FROM COMMISSIONER MCMASTER, A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER CARONE, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
SO COMMISSIONERS, IF YOU PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
CAN WE PUBLISH THAT? WE HAVE SEVEN AYES.
NONE OPPOSED THAT MOTION PASSES.
ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS PUBLIC HEARINGS.
WE, AS I SAID EARLIER, WE HAVE THREE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WILL HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING RELATED TO ZONE CHANGE REQUESTS AND RELAS.
WITHIN THIS AGENDA, THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE OPEN TO RECEIVE A REPORT FROM STAFF, THE APPLICANT, THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS AFFECTED BY THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST, AND ANY OTHER INTERESTED PERSONS UPON COMPLETION.
THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE CLOSED.
THE COMMISSION WILL DISCUSS AND CONSIDER THE APPLICATION AND MAY REQUEST ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM STAFF OR THE APPLICANT IF REQUIRED.
AFTER DELIBERATION, THE COMMISSION IS ASKED TO CONSIDER AND ACT UPON THE FOLLOWING REQUESTS AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL IF NECESSARY.
SO ONCE AGAIN, REAL QUICK, WE'LL START, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL START EACH ONE, UH, WITH A PRESENTATION BY STAFF.
UH, IF THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT AND WISHES TO MAKE A A PRESENTATION, WE'LL GIVE THEM THAT OPPORTUNITY AND THEN I WILL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT, WE'LL CLOSE THE INPUT AND OPEN THE TOPIC UP FOR DISCUSSION BY THE COMMISSION.
AND THE FINAL RESULT WILL BE A RECOMMENDATION FROM THIS BODY TO CITY COUNCIL.
CITY COUNCIL, UM, HAS FINAL APPROVAL ON, UH, ZONING REQUESTS.
[A. PLZC20250105 - Hold a public hearing and make a recommendation on a request to rezone approximately 19 acres of land from Single-Family Residential / Agricultural District (R-A) to Middle Density Residential District (R-5) known as Guadalupe County Property Identification Number 68302, and 68303, also known as 19018 Old Wiederstein Road, City of Schertz, Guadalupe County, Texas]
ITEM FIVE A-P-L-Z-C 20 25 0 1 0 5 HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON A REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 19 ACRES OF LAND FROM SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL SLASH AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT RA[00:30:01]
TO MIDDLE DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT R FIVE, KNOWN AS GUADALUPE COUNTY PROPERTY IDENTIFICATION NUMBER 6 8 3 0 2 AND 6 8 3 0 3.ALSO KNOWN AS 1 9 0 1 8 OLD STEIN ROAD, CITY OF CHURCH COUNTY, TEXAS.
A ZONE CHANGE REQUEST TO MIDDLE DENSITY RESIDENTIAL R FIVE DAISY MARQUEZ PLANNER.
HERE'S A SUBJECT PROPERTY OUTLINED IN GREEN.
IT IS LOCATED ALONG WIEDER STEIN ROAD.
AGAIN, IT IS APPROXIMATELY 19 ACRES.
IT'S LOCATED IN GUADALUPE COUNTY AND IT IS AN EXISTING RESIDENTIAL, UH, USE.
SO THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO REZONE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY TO R FIVE, ALSO KNOWN AS THE MIDDLE DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT TO BE DEVELOPED INTO MULTI-FAMILY STYLE SENIOR HOUSING WITH THE PROPOSED DENSITY OF 7.5, 7.65 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
AND JUST AS A BACKGROUND, R FIVE IS ONE OF OUR STRAIGHT ZONING DISTRICTS AND IT ACCOMMODATES UP TO 12 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE FOR DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SIZE.
UH, THE ZONING DISTRICT DOES ALLOW FOR ATTACHED OR DETACHED RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS AND THE MULTI-FAMILY SITE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS IN ARTICLE NINE, UH, WILL BE APPLIED TO THE SITE AND 10% OF THE TOTAL PLOTTED AREA MUST BE USED AS COMMON USABLE OPEN SPACE.
SO ON MAY 23RD, UH, WE SENT OUT 19 PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES.
WE RECEIVED THREE IN OPPOSITION AND FOUR IN FAVOR.
AND A SIGN WAS POSTED ON THE PROPERTY ALONG STEIN.
SO AGAIN, IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED, UH, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT RA AND THEY'RE PROPOSING MIDDLE DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT R FIVE.
AND HERE THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR THE TWO ZONING DISTRICTS.
UH, THE MINIMUM AREA SQUARE FEET FOR R FIVE IS 10,890 SQUARE FEET.
IT'S SAME FOR THE SAME FOR BOTH.
THE SIDE, UH, SETBACKS FOR R FIVE IS 10, SO IT'S LESS THAN RA AND THEN THE REAR SETBACK IS 10.
SO WHEN STAFF, UH, THE ZONE CHANGES, WE LOOK TO UDC, SECTION 2 1 5 4 D FOR THE CRITERIA OF APPROVAL.
ONE, WHETHER THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE IMPLEMENTS THE POLICIES OF THE ADOPTED COMP PLAN OR ANY OTHER APP APPLICABLE ADOPTED PLANS.
SO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS A MIXED USE CENTER.
SO IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL AND ENTERTAINMENT.
AND SPECIFICALLY CALLS OUT FOR MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL, UM, WHERE APPROPRIATE.
TWO, WHETHER THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE PROMOTES HEALTH SAFETY IN GENERAL WELFARE OF THE CITY.
SO THE CITY SHOULD ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING USES.
AND THE IMMEDIATE AREA CONSISTS OF A SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION, BELMONT PARK.
UM, AND THEN OVER HERE IN THE, ALONG OLA VALLEY AND I 35, WE HAVE OUR SHIRT STATION DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GONNA HAVE RESTAURANT AND RETAIL AND A MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT.
SO PRELIMINARY TRAFFIC ANALYSIS WAS CONDUCTED, UM, AND UH, PER OUR CITY ENGINEERING STAFF, THE PROPOSED INCREASE IN TRAFFIC WOULD BE CONSIDERED NEG NEGLIGIBLE THREE RATHER, THE USE IS PERMITTED BY THE PROPOSED CHANGE WILL BE CONSISTENT IN APPROPRIATE WITH EXISTING USES IN THE MEDIA AREA.
SO AGAIN, THE MEDIA AREA IS OPEN SPACE, RURAL RESIDENCES, SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISIONS, AND A LARGE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA.
UH, R FIVE DOES ALLOW FOR ACCESSORY BUILDINGS, RESIDENTIAL GATED COMMUNITIES, GOLF COURSE AND COUNTRY CLUB, MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENT DWELLINGS, MUNICIPAL USES, UM, AGAIN ATTACHED OR DETACHED, UH, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PARKS AND PLAYGROUNDS.
AND THEN, UH, THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE HAS USES THAT DO ALIGN WITH WHAT IS CURRENTLY IN THE AREA.
SO FOUR, WHETHER OTHER FACTORS ARE DEEMED RELEVANT AND IMPORTANT IN THE CONSIDERATION OF THIS AMENDMENT.
SO WE DID NOTIFY SHIRTS, FIRE, EMS, AND POLICE AND THEY HAVE NOT PROVIDED ANY OBJECTIONS.
AND S-E-U-C-I-S-D WAS ALSO NOTIFIED OF THE ZONE CHANGE REQUEST.
AND THIS SCHEDULED PUBLIC HEARING PROVIDES THE OPPORTUNITY TO INTRODUCE ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
AND, UH, THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE ALIGNS WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN.
IT IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT IS IN THE SURROUNDING AREA AND THE SURROUNDING LAND USES.
SO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF PLZC 20 25 0 1 0 5 AND THEN THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND HAS A PRESENTATION.
PATRICK CHRISTENSEN, THREE 15 ECOMMERCE SUITE 3 0 4.
WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE TODAY IS A SENIOR LIVING COMMUNITY.
IT'S THE, THE THOMAS GROUP DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THEY ONLY DO SENIOR HOUSING.
NOW I REALIZE THE CITY OF CHURCH DOES NOT HAVE ANY KIND OF A ZONING MECHANISM
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TO RESTRICT THE PROPERTY TO SENIOR HOUSING ONLY.BUT WHAT'S VERY COMMON IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS LIKE SAN ANTONIO AND I'VE TOLD CITY STAFF, IS THAT WE'RE WILLING TO DO DEED RESTRICTIONS IF AN HOA OR SOME OTHER GROUP IS WILLING TO STEP UP TO LIMIT IT TO SENIORS ONLY.
AND THE NICE THING ABOUT THE FAIR HOUSING ACT, YOU KNOW, WHICH DOESN'T ALLOW YOU TO DISCRIMINATE, IT DOES ALLOW YOU TO RESTRICT DEVELOPMENTS TO SENIOR HOUSING ONLY, WHICH WOULD BE 55 AND UP.
UH, AND THAT'S THE GOAL HERE TODAY.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT DO I HIT DAISY? JUST THE SCREEN.
SO I'M NOT GONNA READ THESE SLIDES VERBATIM, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU REAL QUICK THAT YOU KNOW, THE SAN ANTONIO BRONXVILLE METROPOLITAN AREA HAS A 11.7% INCREASE IN RESIDENCE AGE 65 AND UP AGE 20 FROM 2020 TO 23.
AS WE ALL KNOW, THERE IS A LACK OF SENIOR HOUSING IN THE SAN ANTONIO AND I 35 CORRIDOR.
UM, THESE ARE THE, THE TYPICAL COTTAGE HOMES THAT THEY DO.
AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, THEY'RE ALL FOR RENT, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE GARAGES.
UM, AND THAT'S OUR, OF COURSE, OUR CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN.
UM, I MEAN, STAFF KIND OF WENT OVER EVERYTHING THAT, THAT, THAT, UH, YOU WOULD NEED TO HEAR, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW, LIKE I SAID, THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO SENIOR HOUSING HERE.
WE'RE WILLING TO RESTRICT THAT IF, IF THAT'S NECESSARY.
THERE WILL BE A, A THOROUGHFARE ON THE, ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DEDICATE RIGHT AWAY WHEN WE PLANT THE PROPERTY ON BOTH OLD WIENSTEIN ROADS.
I'M SURE, YOU KNOW, NEEDS, NEEDS TO BE WIDENED AND WE WILL HAVE TO, OF COURSE, DEDICATE RIGHT AWAY FOR THE ROADWAY THAT GOES NORTH AND SOUTH AND WE'LL HAVE TO BUILD HALF OF IT TO SERVE OUR, OUR DEVELOPMENT.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
UM, I KNOW STAFF'S COMMENDING APPROVAL AND WE WOULD WELCOME YOUR SUPPORT AS WELL.
THIS IS A, UH, PUBLIC HEARING.
IT IS 6 37 AND I WILL, UH, THE FLOOR IS NOW OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THIS ISSUE IS WELCOME TO STEP FORWARD.
AS YOU, UM, WHEN YOU GET TO THE PODIUM, IF WE COULD HAVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND THEN PLEASE TRY TO KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES.
BUT I HAVE SOME, I HAVE SOME DISCRETION.
SHE GOT THE TIMER THING GOING THERE.
UH, I'VE LIVED, I'VE HAD THAT PROPERTY.
I'VE HAD THAT PROPERTY, UH, IN OUR FAMILY SINCE, UH, IT, IT, UH, SINCE I THINK 1962.
SO WE'VE BEEN THERE A LONG TIME.
UH, I OBVIOUSLY SUPPORT THIS DEVELOPMENT.
I THINK THERE'S A HUGE NEED IN THIS AREA FOR SENIOR DEVELOPMENT.
UH, WHEN MY, WHEN MY FATHER PASSED NOT THAT LONG AGO, HIS WIFE ENDED UP MOVING OUT OF THAT, OUT OF, OUT OF THE HOUSE THAT'S ON THAT PROPERTY FOR A SENIOR DEVELOPMENT, UH, COMMUNITY.
UNFORTUNATELY, SHE COULDN'T FIND ONE AROUND HERE, SO SHE ENDED UP HAVING TO GO TO NEW BRAUNFELS FOR THAT, FOR THAT OPPORTUNITY.
SO AGAIN, IT DOES STRIKE HOME TO ME THAT, UH, THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT NEED FOR, UH, SENIOR HOUSING DEVELOPMENT.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC MINIMAL SUGGESTION 'CAUSE IT'S A DIFFERENT TIMEFRAME FOR WHEN THESE, WHEN WHEN THE SENIOR DEVELOPMENT, UH, FOLKS WILL BE GETTING OUT AND IT WON'T IMPACT THE SCHOOL AND THE, THE WORK, THE WORK COMMUNITY.
SO I THINK IT'S THE RIGHT FIT.
UH, I THINK WE'RE READY TO DEVELOP IT AND, UH, WE WOULD LIKE YOUR SUPPORT, UH, FOR DOING IT GOING FORWARD.
SO THAT'S, AGAIN, I'M IN SUPPORT.
I LIVE AT, UH, 1 8 9 4 0 OLD WHEATER STEIN ROAD.
AND, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMITTEE, THE COMMITTEE AND SAY THAT, UM, MR. JASICK, THAT PARCEL OF LAND THAT Y'ALL ARE CONSIDERING REZONING MAY HAVE BEEN IN HIS FAMILY, BUT HE DOES NOT LIVE THERE.
AND HIS, THAT REZONING OF THAT PROPERTY HAS BEEN ATTEMPTED, I BELIEVE AT LEAST TWICE BEFORE, AND HAS FAILED TWICE BEFORE BECAUSE IT HAS NO SUPPORT FROM THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTS OF THE AREA, THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY LIVE THERE DAY IN AND DAY OUT.
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THIS, THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL REPRESENT AN INCREASED AMOUNT OF STRESS AND TRAFFIC FOR THE AREA.AND, UH, IT IS JUST NOT, NOT SUPPORTED AND NOT WISHED FOR ANY OF THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTS FOR A DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS.
MY NAME IS, UH, RUBEN HERNANDEZ.
I LIVE AT 1 8 9 6 7 OLD STEIN ROAD, WHICH IS ON THE CIVIL SIDE DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THIS PROPERTY.
UM, MY BROTHER GILBERT HERNANDEZ LIVES AT 1 8 9 7 5, BUT HE COULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT.
WE'RE BOTH A STRONG, NO STRONG NO, I, I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC, THE ROAD NOT HELL IN TRAFFIC.
I, I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE CRIME WE'VE SEEN THE, I, I LIKE THE TUNICS.
WE'VE LIVED THERE OVER 30 YEARS AND, AND IT CRIME HAS JUST REALLY SKYROCKETED.
A MONTH AND A HALF AGO THERE WAS A, A SHOOTING IN PROGRESS.
UH, UH, CHURCH POLICE RESPONDED, THEY BLOCKED OFF THE ROAD, FOUND SHELL CASINGS.
UH, ABOUT A MONTH AGO THERE WAS AN ACCIDENT BECAUSE THEY CARS TRAVELED FAST, HIT MY BROTHER'S, UH, UM, FENCE, AND THEN HIT A TREE.
UM, WE WERE BOTH A STRONG, NO, AS AS THE TUNICS, BUT, UH, MY MAIN CONCERN IS TO PUT YOURSELF IN, IN, IN MY SHOES, IN OUR SHOES.
ALONG WITH THIS, IT WAS ALSO MENTIONED OF WHITE END OF THE ROAD AT YOUR HOUSE.
WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO GIVE UP 20 OR 30 FEET OF YOUR FRONT YARD? I'VE LIVED THERE MANY YEARS, BUILT A FENCE, TAKING CARE OF THE FENCE.
I, I DON'T WANT TO GIVE AN INCH, I DON'T WANT TO GIVE AN INCH.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT AREA CAN HANDLE IT MUCH MORE THAN, UH, OF A LOAD THAN IT IS RIGHT NOW.
HI, MY NAME IS TERESA GOMEZ AND I LIVE AT 1 9 0 9 4 OLDSTEIN ROAD.
HE'S GONNA SPEAK ON MY BEHALF.
YEAH, SO WE'VE BEEN THERE, UM, SEVERAL YEARS AND IN THE LAST YEAR WE'VE HAD TWO ACCIDENTS IN OUR FRONT YARD.
UM, SO WHILE THE TRAFFIC MAY BE NEGLIGIBLE, THAT ROAD'S ALREADY ROUGH, UM, AND CAN'T HANDLE ANYTHING EXTRA.
OUR TRASH CANS ARE DESTROYED EVERY OTHER DAY.
UM, WHETHER THAT'S RURAL, NOT BEING WHITE ENOUGH OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
UM, JUST THE SAFETY OF THE, THE CHILDREN, UH, THAT WALK UP AND DOWN THE STREET TO SCHOOL, UM, IS A BIG CONCERN FOR US.
UM, WE HAVE A BUSINESS ON THE PROPERTY THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED BY THIS.
WOULD THE FENCE LINE ME MOVING IN CLOSER, HAVING TO SHUT OFF WATER SUPPLY TO A SALON, PUTS US OUTTA BUSINESS FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF TIME.
SO WE WOULD BOTH BE A NO THANK YOU.
ANYONE ELSE? YEAH, I'LL GIVE YOU, I'LL GIVE YOU A CO YOU DIDN'T USE YOUR FULL TIME.
I'LL GIVE YOU ANOTHER COUPLE MINUTES.
I NEED, YOU NEED YOU TO COME UP HERE SO WE MAKE SURE WE MAKE SURE WE HEAR YOU ON THE RECORD.
SO ON THE RECORD AGAINST JOHN JOHN JASICK, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, WE HAVE, WE HAVE FILED FOR A REZONING PREVIOUSLY AS PART OF A DIFFERENT PROJECT, A MUCH LARGER PROJECT.
UH, AND THIS WILL BE THE ONLY TIME WE HAVE FILED FOR A REZONING PERMIT FOR THIS, FOR JUST OUR ACREAGE.
IT WAS PART OF A BIGGER DEAL, UH, EARLIER.
AND THIS WILL BE THE ONLY TIME WE WILL HAVE FILED FOR THIS 19 ACRE REZONING IN OUR TIME.
IT IS, UH, 6 45 AND PUBLIC INPUT IS CLOSED.
AND COMMISSIONERS, WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO START? YOU CALL ME TO START? YEAH, GO AHEAD.
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ARE THESE ALL GONNA BE ONE STORY? YES, THEY'LL BE ONE.ONE STORY IS MAYBE LIKE SMALL UPSTAIRS STUDIOS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND, AND REPEAT WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE ROADWAY THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE INCLUDING WHAT, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, SO THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, IF YOU WANNA COME UP AND EXPLAIN THE ROADWAY, UH, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, ONE NICE THING ABOUT A SENIOR DEVELOPMENT IS PEOPLE AREN'T GETTING UP TO GO TO WORK AT EIGHT O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.
THEY'RE NOT TAKING KIDS TO SCHOOL.
IT'S MOSTLY GOING TO THE GROCERY STORE OR GOING TO CHURCH.
AND SO TO ELABORATE ON THAT, TO GIVE KIND OF SOME CONTEXT OF WHAT THE CURRENT ZONING IS, OUR A HALF ACRE LOTS, UH, YOU COULD GET APPROXIMATELY 37 UNITS TO THAT PER THIS SITE.
AND ONE RESIDENTIAL HOME GENERALLY IS ONE WHAT WE CALL PEAK HOUR TRIP, UH, IN THE MORNING.
THIS DEVELOPMENT YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU IS 36.
UH, AND THE REASON FOR THAT, AGAIN, AS YOU KNOW, UH, IF YOU'RE RETIRED AND YOU'RE 55, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT WAKING UP EARLY IN THE MORNING TO, UH, GET ON THE ROADS WHEN EVERYBODY ELSE IS IN, IN SCHOOLS AND STUFF.
SO OUT OF ALL DEVELOPMENT THAT WE DO WHEN IT COMES TO TRAFFIC, UH, SENIOR DEVELOPMENT IS BY FAR THE MOST FAVORABLE, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO PUTTING TRAFFIC ONTO THE, THE STREET NETWORK JUST BECAUSE OF THAT REASON THAT, UH, TYPICALLY RETIRED, UH, RETIREES JUST DON'T DRIVE AS MUCH AND THEY JUST DON'T HIT THE ROADS AT PEAK HOUR TIMES 'CAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE JOBS AND DON'T HAVE KIDS TO DROP OFF AT SCHOOL.
SO, AND SORRY COMMISSIONER TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN MARK ON THIS, BUT, UM, WHAT YOU SEE ON THE PLAN SOUTH, THERE IS, UH, THE CITY'S THOROUGH FAIR, UH, THAT WAS BEING WORKED OUT.
AND SO THAT WAS GONNA BE ONE HALF, IT'S A, A PRIMARY ARTERIAL THAT ONE HALF OF THAT WOULD BE DEDICATED ON OUR SIDE AND THAT WE WOULD BUILD ONE HALF OF THAT ROAD, WHICH WOULD BE TWO LANES, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR THE TEMPORARY UNTIL ONE DAY, UH, WHEN THE CITY CREW, IT WOULD BE BIGGER.
UM, THERE REALLY AREN'T, UNLESS IT'S REQUIRED BY THE TIA, WHICH AGAIN, THIS IS SO SMALL, IT WOULDN'T EVEN TRIGGER A TIA, THAT'S HOW SMALL THE TRAFFIC IS.
BUT OLD STEIN, WE WOULD WORK WITH THE CITY OF ANY IMPROVEMENTS, BUT THERE'S NO, YOU KNOW, TO ADDRESS ONE OF THE RESIDENTS QUESTIONS, WE'RE NOT GOING TO ACQUIRE RIGHT OF WAY OR EXPAND THAT RIGHT AWAY.
WE'RE JUST DEDICATING THE RIGHT OF RIGHT OF WAY AS PART OF THE PLATING PROCESS FOR THE CITY TO ONE DAY COME EXPAND THAT ROADWAY PER Y'ALL FAIR PLAN.
UM, DAISY, UM, R FIVE UH, ALLOWS UP TO 12 UNITS PER ACRE, YOU SAID? YES SIR.
AND THIS IS SEVEN POINT SOMETHING.
7.680 IT'S, UM, AND WHAT ARE THE, UM, WHERE, WHERE IS OLD STEIN ROAD ON OUR MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLAN? WHAT, WHAT IS IT SUPPOSED TO, TO BECOME? DOES ANYBODY KNOW? AND THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT, TWO LANES WITH A CENTER.
UM, AND IS THAT, DO WE KNOW WHERE THAT MIGHT BE IN THE MASTER PLAN? I, I SEE HER.
OH, THERE SHE IS STILL BACK THERE.
SO IT'S A SECONDARY ARTERIAL, WHICH IS ACTUALLY TWO, TWO LANES IN EACH DIRECTION WITH THE CENTER MEDIAN.
UH, AND BOTH WETSTEIN, OLD WETSTEIN AND THE, UM, SECONDARY ARTERIAL THAT WOULD BE ALONG THE WESTERN SIDE OF THIS PROPERTY ARE THAT CONFIGURATION.
IT'S A 90 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY AND IT, THERE ISN'T REALLY A TIMEFRAME FOR WHEN THE EXPANSION OF WIEDER SIGN IS IT, IT'S INCLUDED IN THE CIP BUT IT'S A, IT'S A FUNDING ISSUE.
SO AND SO AS WE GET CONTINUE TO GET RIGHT OF WAY IT GETS CLOSER AND CLOSER TO, SO THERE IS ACTUALLY A, UM, UH, WE DON'T SEE IT ON ANY OF THE DIAGRAMS, BUT THERE IS KIND OF A NORTH SOUTH CONNECTOR RUNNING THROUGH HERE AS WELL.
UM, CAN YOU PUT THEIR CONCEPTUAL PLAN BACK UP AND WHILE YOU'RE DOING THAT, UH, YES, WE'VE SEEN THIS AT LEAST TWICE.
UH, BUT THEY WERE TRYING TO REZONE IT FOR APARTMENTS R FOUR AND UM, YES, A LOT.
I I, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR CITY COUNCIL.
UM, I THINK MOST OF OUR CONCERNS, WELL MY CONCERN, LET ME JUST TALK FOR
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ME 'CAUSE I CAN'T REALLY TALK FOR THESE FOLKS EITHER WAS AN ACCESS ISSUE, UH, ABOUT, UH, THEY WERE TRYING TO BRING IT UP AUT LANE FROM 35.IT, IT WAS JUST, IT, IT JUST WASN'T GONNA WORK.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT THAT THAT HAS BEEN TURNED DOWN TWICE.
UM, THIS IS A RELATIVELY NEW, UH, ZONING DISTRICT.
THIS IS ONLY WHAT THE SECOND ZONE REQUEST AND THIS IS THE KIND OF PROJECT IT'S INTENDED FOR.
UH, WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT MULTIFAMILY BUT A LOT LESS DENSE.
WE'RE NOT GONNA SEE THE BIG, UH, TWO OR THREE STORY APARTMENT BUILDINGS.
THIS IS THE KIND OF, THIS IS THE KIND OF COMMUNITY, UH, THAT WE HAD, I THINK THAT THE CITY HAD IN MIND WHEN THEY CREATED THE R FIVE DISTRICT.
UM, I'M ASSUMING, UH, AS I'VE SEEN IN, IN IN OTHER, THAT THIS WILL NOT BE, THESE WILL, THESE BUILDINGS WILL NOT BE INDIVIDUALLY PLANTED.
AS, AS THE RETIRED FARM MARSHAL FOR THE CITY.
THAT, THAT GIVES ME CONCERN, UH, FOR BUILDING SEPARATION.
UH, NOT SO MUCH FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, UM, LET'S SEE.
THESE WILL BE, WHAT, WHAT ARE THE, THE PURPLISH ONES ARE THOSE, UH, FOUR FOURPLEXES.
AND, UM, SO I BELIEVE EVEN THE RESIDENTIAL CODE HAS SOME REQUIREMENTS IN THERE ABOUT SEPARATING THE, THE RESIDENCES THEMSELVES.
BUT I'M MORE CONCERNED WITH THE BUILDING, WITH THE SEPARATION BETWEEN BUILDINGS AND, UH, WE ALL SAW THE, THE POTENTIAL THAT CREATES WITH THE LOS ANGELES FIRES, ALTHOUGH I HAVE TO ADMIT A 10 FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACK WOULDN'T HAVE SAVED ANY OF THOSE STRUCTURES.
BUT THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN ONE OF MY CONCERNS.
SO WHEN WE INDIVIDUALLY PLANT BUILDINGS, WE CAN ENFORCE THAT 10 FOOT SETBACK.
HOW DO WE DO THAT IN THIS KIND OF ARRANGEMENT? DAISY? WHAT, WHAT'S THE PLAN? SO AS PART OF THE R FIVE, UM, WHEN IT CAME IN, UH, THAT ACTUALLY WAS IMPLEMENTED.
SO, UH, THERE ARE SOME STIPULATIONS WHEN IT COMES TO IF THEY'RE, UM, ADJOINED IT, IT HAS TO MEET SOME SORT OF FIREWALL REQUIREMENTS OR THEY HAVE TO BE SPRINKLER.
SO IT REALLY DEPENDS ON THE ULTIMATE DESIGN.
UM, BUT WE DID RUN THE R FIVE THROUGH THE FIRE MARSHALS, UH, WHEN IT WENT THROUGH.
BUT TO YOUR POINT, WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION BEFORE, SO AGAIN, THE, THE SIDE YARD SETBACK APPLIES TO A STRUCTURE, ITS PROXIMITY TO THE LOT LINE RIGHT.
DOES NOT APPLY INTERNAL WITHIN.
SO AGAIN, JUST SO EVERYBODY OUT THERE UNDERSTANDS, IF THEY CAME IN AND PLATTED THESE EACH UNIT AS A SEPARATE ON LOTS, YOU'D HAVE THE GREATER SETBACK.
OTHERWISE YOU FALL BACK TO BUILDING CODE AND FIRE CODE WITH REGARD TO SEPARATION BETWEEN THAT.
AND I WOULD SAY THIS, IF THE COMMISSION HAS CONCERN ABOUT THE BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENTS, THAT WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE PLACE TO, TO DO IT RIGHT.
AND SO IF THE CONCERN IS IS THAT WE ALLOW APARTMENT BUILDINGS TOO CLOSE TO ONE ANOTHER ON THE SAME LOT OR DO YOU KNOW TOWN, THEN TO ME, IF I WERE PNZ, I WOULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL THAT WITH THE UPDATE OF THE BUILDING CODE, WHICH IS GONNA HAPPEN THIS SUMMER YEP.
THAT YOU GUYS WEIGH IN AND CHIME IN WITH A LOCAL AMENDMENT TO ALLOW THAT, IF WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT FOR STATE LAW.
AND IT'S, UH, IT CERTAINLY THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY TO DO IT.
BRIAN AND I, I WAS KIND OF HOPING MAYBE STAFF HAD ALREADY GIVEN SOME THOUGHT TO THIS.
UM, AND I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK BECAUSE THE, THE RESIDENTIAL CODE ONLY APPLIES TO ONE IN TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS.
SO ANYTHING OVER A DUPLEX IS SUBJECT TO THE STANDARD BUILDING CODE.
WHICH THEN WE GET INTO, UH, BUILDING SEPARATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, UM, AND, AND I ONLY SEE, WELL JUST THE ONLY DUPLEXES I SEE ARE THESE TWO IN PINK AND THEN A COUPLE MORE IN THE BACK.
SO, AND, AND I WOULD EVEN ARGUE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT REALLY, IF IT'S THE CONCERN IS FIRE YEAH.
IT SHOULD BE DONE VIA THE FIRE CODE.
REALLY NOT PER THE BUILDING CODE.
UM, ANYBODY? YES, BECAUSE I'VE GOT JUST A COUPLE MORE, BUT GO AHEAD JUDY.
MY QUESTION IS, IF YOU ARE INTENDING TO WIDEN THE ROADS, ARE THERE UTILITY EASEMENTS ON WHEATER STEIN ON EITHER SIDE WHERE THESE RESIDENTS WOULD BE AFFECTED BY THE EXPANSION OF THE ROADWAY?
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SO LET ME SAY, MY ASSUMPTION IS BASED ON WORK FURTHER DOWN STEIN, IS THAT WHEN STEIN NEEDS TO BE EXPANDED, THAT ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY AND EASEMENTS WILL NEED TO BE REQUIRED.AND, AND LET ME SAY THIS, WHETHER THIS PROJECT GOES THROUGH OR NOT, THAT IS GOING TO NEED TO HAPPEN ON WIER STEIN BECAUSE OF THE BACKGROUND GROWTH IN SHIRTS AND SLO WHO USE WIER STEIN ALL THE TIME.
SO I DON'T KNOW DEFINITIVELY, BUT YEAH, TO BE CLEAR, YEAH, MY ASSUMPTION IS WE'RE GONNA NEED MORE RIGHT OF WAY THAT'S GONNA PUSH OUT THE EASEMENTS AS WELL.
AND SO RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION WILL BE NEEDED, AN EASEMENT ACQUISITION WILL BE NEEDED AS WELL WITH IT.
AND THOSE EASEMENTS ARE ALREADY OWNED BY THE CITY? CORRECT.
SO THE PROPERTIES ARE SURVEYED WITH THE EASEMENT THAT GIVES THE CITY THE PERMISSION TO COME IN AND USE THOSE UTILITIES OR DO SOMETHING TO THAT.
WHERE YOU HAVE AN EASEMENT, EASEMENTS ARE PARTICULAR THAT THEY CAN BE GENERAL UTILITY EASEMENT AND THUS ANY UTILITY CAN GO IN OR THEY CAN BE PARTICULAR EASEMENT.
SO IT'S A, COULD BE A WATER EASEMENT MM-HMM
OR ONLY WATER HAS THE RIGHT TO BE IN THERE.
UM, AND, AND THOSE EASEMENTS ALLOW WHAT THEY ALLOW BASED ON THE NATURE OF THE EASEMENT DOCUMENT.
BUT TO BE CLEAR, MY ASSUMPTION IS, IS THAT STEIN THE RIGHT OF WAY WILL NEED TO EXPAND OUT.
WHAT THAT MEANS IS THEN ALL THE UTILITIES THAT ARE IN THE WAY NEED TO GET PUSHED OUT AS WELL.
AND, AND CERTAINLY THERE'S A PROCESS TO GO THROUGH FOR THAT TO HAVE TO HAPPEN.
BUT YEAH, I THINK, I THINK, I THINK THE RESIDENT'S CONCERNS ARE ACCURATE.
THE EXPANSION OF WILDERSTEIN IS LIKELY GONNA MEAN THE CITY COMING IN AND ACQUIRING RIGHT OF AWAY AND EASEMENTS.
AND THAT'S, THAT I, I BELIEVE IS ACCURATE AS WELL.
AND THAT WOULD BE AT THE EXPENSE OF THE CITY, CORRECT.
SHOULD THEY HAVE TO MOVE, SAY WATER LINES OR GAS LINES? WHATEVER IT IS, IT'S NOT.
SO AGAIN, LET ME OFFER THIS UP.
I, THERE IS, THERE WAS LEGISLATION PENDING AND I HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH.
RIGHT? SO TYPICALLY THE WAY IT WORKS IS IF THE, IF THE UTILITIES ARE IN AN EASEMENT MM-HMM
SO PAY FOR THE NEW EASEMENT, PAY FOR THE RELOCATION.
WHAT IT CURRENTLY IS THOUGH IS IF THOSE UTILITIES ARE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, THEN THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.
THAT UTILITY HAS TO PAY TO MOVE AGAIN.
THERE WAS LEGISLATION THIS SESSION THAT BASICALLY IT DOESN'T MATTER IF, EVEN IF THERE'S NO EASEMENT, THAT THAT COST WOULD FALL TO THE, THE TAXPAYERS OF THE CITY WHO'S EXPANDING THE ROAD HAVEN'T SEEN WHERE THAT ONE'S GONE.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'LL END UP BEING AT THE TIME.
BUT AGAIN, I I THINK THE ACCURATE STATEMENT IS IS THAT YEP, WIND WEER STEIN'S EXPANDED RIGHT OF WAY IS GONNA BE NEEDED FROM PROPERTY OWNERS AND ADDITIONAL EASEMENTS ARE PROBABLY GONNA BE NEEDED FROM PROPERTY OWNERS.
DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH AT THIS TIME, UH, AND AND WHERE WE KIND OF NAVIGATE TO GET THAT IN.
BUT I WOULD SAY THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN WHETHER OR NOT THIS DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS OR NOT.
AS KATHY SAID, IT'S ON THE CIP THERE ISN'T FUNDING YET, BUT WE'VE GOT IT SLOTTED FOR 2028 TO 33.
I GOT A COUPLE OF STATEMENTS MORE THAN QUESTIONS.
SO, UH, FIRST ONE YOU GUYS BROUGHT UP THE TRASH CANS BEING HIT AND UM, THE, UH, SOMEBODY'S MAILBOX IN A FENCE AND A LOT OF THAT CAN BE MITIGATED WITH STOP SIGNS AND SPEED BUMPS AND SO, AND MORE COP PATROLS, LET'S BE HONEST.
AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD BRING UP TO YOUR CITY COUNCIL WHEN THEY HAD THEIR MEETINGS AND GO TALK TO THEM ABOUT THE TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING THROUGH YOUR AREA.
SO THAT'S THE FIRST THING I WANT TO BRING UP.
UH, I'VE DRIVEN DOWN LIKE SAVANNAH AND SAVANNAH HAS LIKE 16 STOP SIGNS AND BETWEEN
ONE, THE POLICE WILL BE MORE PRESENT WHEN THIS COMMUNITY IS BUILT 'CAUSE THERE'LL BE MORE PEOPLE THERE.
AND LET'S BE HONEST, 55 AND ABOVE, THERE'LL BE MORE AMBULANCE AND MORE FIRE DEPARTMENT THERE TOO, UNFORTUNATELY.
UM, AND LAST THING, WHEN SEARCH STATION OPENS UP AND WE GET THAT UP AND RUNNING, YOUR TRAFFIC IS GONNA TURN INTO A NIGHTMARE.
AND SO IF YOU DON'T GET AHEAD OF THIS WITH TALKING TO THE CITY COUNCIL ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AND ABOUT THE ROAD, THEN YOU'RE GONNA BE REALLY COMPLAINING THEN.
AND SO I WOULD, IT WOULD BEHOOVE YOU TO GET, UH, IN FRONT OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND TALK ABOUT THIS, UH, ISSUE TO THEM BEFORE THEY START BUILDING THIS PROJECT.
UH, OR SEARCH STATION OPENS UP.
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OKAY, WELL I I, I'LL TELL YOU ONE, UM, ONE NICE THING ABOUT SHIRT STATION, UH, IS THE EXTENSION OF RIPS CHRYSLER.SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO ACCESS THAT FROM SI VALLEY DRIVE AND RETURN TO SI VALLEY DRIVE.
UM, SO I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH TRAFFIC THAT'S GONNA PUT OUT HERE IN OLD STEIN.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, I'VE NEVER LIVED IN A SEMI-RURAL ENVIRONMENT LIKE THIS WHERE YOU FOLKS ARE LIVING.
UH, BUT I MOVED TO SHIRTS, UH, IN THE SUMMER OF 1989.
THERE WERE 10,000 PEOPLE HERE.
FM 3, 9 9 WAS A TWO LANE ROAD, FOUR-WAY STOP SIGN AT THE INTERSTATE, YADA, YADA, YADA, YADA, YADA.
AND WOW, I THINK JUST SAY ABOUT ANYBODY WOULD LOOK AT THIS ACREAGE AND LOVE TO SEE IT STAY THE WAY IT IS, UH, REALITY IS THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
UH, SOMETHING IS GOING TO BE BUILT HERE.
THAT'S THE PROPERTY OWNER'S, RIGHT? IS TO USE THIS PROPERTY.
UH, PART OF WHAT YOU'RE SEEING I THINK OUT ON OLD STEIN IS CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC.
YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE NIGHTMARE THAT TDOT IS CREATED OUT ON 35, UM, I DRIVE IT OCCASIONALLY, UH, IF I'M UP IN THE NORTH CLIFF AREA RATHER THAN TRYING TO CIRCULATE BACK TO UH, UH, DOWN 35, I'LL COME BACK DOWN, UH, OLD STEIN TO CIVIL VALLEY DRIVE.
SO I, I, I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE TRAFFIC'S COMING FROM.
UM, AND UNFORTUNATELY THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, FOLKS OUT THERE, I'LL JUST CALL 'EM.
UM, WELL MY FATHER-IN-LAW WAS A RETIRED NAVY CHIEF AND HE USED TO TALK ABOUT PEOPLE THAT HAD THEIR HEADS SO FAR UP THEIR BUTT.
THEY NEEDED A GLASS BELLY TO SEE WHERE THEY WERE GOING.
THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS OUT THERE THAT JUST, THEY'RE, UH, OBLIVIOUS TO THE REST OF THE WORLD.
YOU'VE GOT KIDS RUNNING AROUND IN, YOU KNOW, BMWS AND MERCEDES AND MUSTANGS AND, UM, CARS I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE HAD AS A TEENAGER.
UM, AND UNFORTUNATELY O OLD STEIN HAS NOT BEEN DEVELOPED TO HANDLE THAT KIND.
YOU KNOW, IF I'M CORRECT, THERE'S NOT EVEN A CENTER LINE DOWN THAT ROAD IS THERE, LET ALONE AN IMPROVED SHOULDER.
UM, SO AGAIN, GETTING BACK TO REALITY, SOMETHING IS GONNA GO HERE.
UM, AND, AND PART OF WHAT WE TRY TO WRESTLE WITH UP HERE, UH, IS WHAT'S MOST APPROPRIATE.
UM, CERTAINLY R FOUR, NOBODY WAS IN FAVOR OF PUTTING IN BIG APARTMENT BUILDINGS ON, ON, ON, ON THIS PROPERTY.
UM, YEAH, I I, YOU KNOW, I I CAN, I CAN DISAGREE A LITTLE BIT WITH, UH, THE WHOLE TRAFFIC THING BECAUSE IT ALL DEPENDS, YOU KNOW, IT, IF THEY'RE RETIRED PEOPLE, YOU'RE RIGHT, THEY'RE LIKE ME.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE TO BE ANYWHERE WE GO WHERE WE WANT TO GO, WHEN WE WANT TO GO.
UH, SO WE TRY TO AVOID HIGH TRAFFIC, BUT, BUT IF, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY, UH, SENIOR HOUSING IS DEFINED AS 55 PLUS.
DOES THAT FIT OR DO YOU GUYS USE A HIGHER CRITERIA? SO, YOU KNOW, FOR THE MOST PART, IF, IF YOU'RE 55 YEARS OLD, CHANCES ARE PRETTY GOOD, YOU'RE STILL WORKING SOMEWHERE.
UM, SO I'VE GOTTA, I'VE GOTTA FEEL THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME TRAFFIC IMPACT OUT HERE.
UM, BUT I THINK I'D RATHER HAVE, UM, AND YOU KNOW, BY, BY THE REAL IT IS NOT SO MUCH THE, THE OLDER PEOPLE, THE MORE MATURE PEOPLE I WORRY ABOUT, IT'S THEIR YOUNGER FAMILY MEMBERS.
BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THESE ARE SIT OR ARE THE WAY YOU'RE PROPOSING IT THAT THEY'RE REALLY SUITABLE FOR FAMILIES WITH TEENAGERS AND BUNCH OF CARS.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, BUT AGAIN, WHAT ELSE ARE WE GONNA PUT HERE? UM, I THINK IT'S, IT'S BETTER THAT WE PUT SOME KIND OF RESIDENTIAL HERE, UH, BECAUSE NOW, NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE, THEY'RE REALLY ONLY COMING AND GOING TO THEIR HOUSE.
IF, IF, IF WE END UP TRYING TO PUT SOME COMMERCIAL VENUE HERE, NOW IT BECOMES A DESTINATION FOR THE WHOLE CITY.
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AND, UM, SO, UM, AND YEAH, I MEAN, IT, IT'S, IT'S NOT THAT WE DON'T HEAR YET.I MEAN, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO TALK TO YOU AFTER THE MEETING IF, IF YOU'D LIKE TO.
BUT, UM, IT'S, UM, IT'S JUST, UH, AND THIS IS NOT THE, LIKE WE DO, WE, WE, WE'VE GOT AN EVEN MORE CONTENTIOUS ONE PROBABLY ON THE, ON THE, ON THE NEAR HORIZON THAT I'M REALLY NOT LOOKING FORWARD TO.
UH, BUT THIS IS ONE OF THE, I I, AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST HIS CONCEPT, UM, THEY'RE USUALLY PRETTY CLOSE TO WHEN THEY GET AROUND.
'CAUSE THE, THEIR, THEIR NEXT THING WILL BE DO THE PLAT OR THE MASTER PLAN, WHAT COMES NEXT, THE PLAT, UH, WHICH IS REALLY JUST LAYING OUT THE PROPERTY DIMENSIONS AND WHERE THE UTILITIES ARE GOING.
AND, BUT EVENTUALLY YOU HAVE TO, UH, THEY'LL HAVE TO MASTER PLAN THIS OR NOT, NO MASTER PLAN.
UM, SO, BUT I, I, I THINK YOU END UP SEEING, UH, ON THE GROUND PRETTY CLOSE TO WHAT HE, WHAT THEY'RE SHOWING YOU HERE.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IF I WAS GONNA TRY TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO IT.
UM, LET ME ASK THE QUESTION WHY THE, UH, THE FOURPLEXES, UM, THERE IN THE FRONT? IS THAT, WHY DID YOU DECIDE TO DO THAT INSTEAD OF, UH, IS THERE JUST NOT ENOUGH ROOM TO DO THE YEAH, I MEAN THEY JUST, THEY LOOK SO MUCH BIGGER.
IS THAT WHAT THEY ARE? THEY'RE, THEY'RE BIGGER, MORE, MORE FLOOR SPACE.
THEY'RE NOT TWO STORY THOUGH, CORRECT? NO SIR, NOT TWO STORY.
JUST MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE FLOOR SPACE.
WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, NORMAL TO PUT MORE DENSITY CLOSER TO THE MAIN THOROUGHFARE VERSUS THE BACK, KIND OF WHAT WAS THE THOUGHT? YEAH.
ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? RICHARD DAISY, WHO OWNS OLD STEIN? IS IT ALL SHIRTS OR IS IT SHARED? ALL SHAREDS.
CAN'T CONVINCE SLO TO BUY HALF OF IT.
NOT, NOT LIKELY GIVEN HOW WE FUNDED SYLO VALLEY DRIVE
WELL, AND YEAH, NO, I'LL LET THAT GO.
UM, YEAH, SO THAT BEGS THE QUESTION OF, IS ALL THE EXPANSION GONNA BE ON OUR SIDE, YOU KNOW? NO, NO.
IT'LL LIKELY WE BE ON BOTH SIDES, BUT, BUT VARY AS YOU MOVE THE LENGTH OF IT, BECAUSE THEY STILL OWE US FOR, FOR GIVING, FOR BUILDING THAT SUBDIVISION AND PROVIDING ACCESS TO OLD STEIN WITHOUT ASKING, THEY STILL OWE US FOR THAT, YOU KNOW, GETTING OFF TRACK.
ANYBODY, ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY, THIS IS, UM, THIS WILL BE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL AND WE CAN RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
WE CAN RECOMMEND THEY DENY IT, WE CAN RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH, UH, CONDITIONS.
UM, YOU'LL HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY.
THIS WILL BE ON A CITY COUNCIL AGENDA.
AND THEY'RE THE ONES THAT MAKE THE FINAL DECISION AND, UM, THEY ALL WILL WATCH THIS VIDEO MM-HMM
THE, THE VIDEO OF THIS MEETING.
UH, SO THEY WILL HEAR ALL YOUR COMMENTS, THEY'LL HEAR OUR DISCUSSION, THEY'LL HEAR OUR QUESTIONS.
UH, AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE JUST LIKE HERE, THAT'LL BE A PUBLIC HEARING AND YOU'LL HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE THEM YOUR INPUT ON TOP OF WHAT WE'VE ALREADY DONE HERE TONIGHT.
SO, WITH THAT SAID, UH, I NEED A, UH, I NEED A MOTION TO RECOMMEND, UH, TO EITHER RE TO RECOMMEND EITHER APPROVAL OR DENIAL.
I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE PLZC 2 0 2 5 0 1 0 5.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER CARBONE, COMMISSIONER MCMASTER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
AND AGAIN, IT'S A RECOMMENDATION THAT THAT CITY COUNCIL APPROVE PLZC 20 25 0 1 0 5.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE.
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ALRIGHT.WOULD YOU PUBLISH THAT PLEASE? ALRIGHT, YOU COULD.
SO I HAVE SIX AYES AND, UH, ONE NAY THAT MOTION PASSES.
DO YOU NEED ANYTHING FROM COMMISSIONER BROWN FOR VOTE? NO.
UM, SO ALL RIGHT, I APPRECIATE IT.
AND ONCE AGAIN, UH, UH, THIS WILL BE ON CITY COUNCIL'S AGENDA AND YOU'LL HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, AND UH, HONESTLY THEY DON'T ALWAYS TAKE OUR RECOMMENDATION.
[B. PLZC20240315 - Hold a public hearing and make a recommendation on a request to rezone approximately 173 acres of land from Agricultural District (AD) and Single-Family Residential / Agricultural District (R-A) to Single-Family Residential District (R-1), Single-Family Residential District (R-2), and Single-Family Residential District (R-6), known as Bexar County Property Identification Number 310012, 309425, 309427, generally located 1,000 feet to the west of Cibolo Creek on Lower Seguin Road, City of Schertz, Bexar County, Texas]
MOVING ON.UH, ITEM FIVE B IS ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, ELZC 2 24 0 3 1 5 HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON A REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 173 ACRES OF LAND FROM AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT AND SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL SLASH AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT R ONE, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT R TWO AND SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT R SIX, KNOWN AS BEAR COUNTY PROPERTY IDENTIFICATION NUMBER 3 1 0 0 1 2 3 0 9 4 2 5 3 0 9 4 2.
GENERALLY LOCATED 1000 FEET TO THE WEST OF SI CREEK ON LOWER SGU ROAD, CITY OF SHEZ, BEXAR COUNTY, TEXAS ON CHANGE FROM AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT AND SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AGRICULTURAL TO R ONE, R TWO AND R SIX DC MARQUEZ PLANNER.
HERE'S A SUBJECT PROPERTY OUTLINED IN GREEN.
IT IS LOCATED ALONG LOWER SEINEN ROAD.
IT IS, UH, ADJACENT TO OW CREEK AND IT IS ALSO IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE SADDLEBROOK RANCH DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S APPROXIMATELY 173 ACRES AND IT'S CURRENTLY A RURAL RESIDENCE AND UNDEVELOPED.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO REZONE THREE SEPARATE TRACKS WITH STRAIGHT ZONING FOR EACH.
SO 95 ACRES TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, R 1 51 ACRES TO R TWO AND 27 ACRES TO R SIX.
AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS REZONE IS TO DEVELOP A SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION WITH A MIXTURE OF HOUSING TYPES AND LOT SIZES.
SO ON MAY 23RD, EIGHT PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES WERE SENT OUT AND WE RECEIVED ONE IN FAVOR AND A SIGN WAS POSTED ON THE PROPERTY ALONG LOWER SINE.
SO AGAIN, THE EXISTING ZONING IS AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT AND SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT.
AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING THREE SEPARATE ZONING DISTRICTS, R ONE, R TWO AND R SIX.
AND HERE ARE THE DIFFERENT DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR R ONE, R TWO AND R SIX.
AND AGAIN, ONE OF THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCES IS THAT LOT WIDTH.
SO R ONE IS 80 BY ONE 20 LOTS, R TWO R 70 BY ONE 20 LOTS, AND R SIX UM, IS 60 BY ONE 20.
OUR CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL FOR ZONE CHANGES WHEN WHETHER THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE IMPLEMENTS THE POLICIES OF THE ADOPTED COMP PLAN OR ANY OTHER APPLICABLE ADOPTED PLANS.
AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AS COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THIS IS MEANT FOR A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL LOT SIZES WITH NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING THREE DIFFERENT RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, UM, WITHIN THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT TO PROVIDE DIFFERENT LAW SIZES AND TO PROVIDE THAT MIX OF RESIDENTIAL THAT THE COMP PLAN IS LOOKING FOR.
SO TWO, WHETHER THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE PROMOTES A HEALTH SAFETY AND GENERAL WELFARE OF THIS CITY.
SO THE CITY SHOULD ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING USES.
AND THERE ARE SEVERAL SINGLE FAMILY DIVISION, SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISIONS EITHER IN DEVELOPMENT OR CURRENTLY, UH, CONSTRUCTED ALONG LOWER SEINE.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, WE HAVE RYAN VALLEY, THAT'S 447, UH, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
WE HAVE CARMEL RANCH, THAT'S 131 LOTS SADDLEBROOK RANCH, WHICH IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO WHAT THE, THE ACRES, UM, UNDER SUBJECT TONIGHT.
AND THEN MORE RECENTLY WE HAVE MONTEREY MEADOWS, WHICH IS, UM, APPROXIMATELY 174 LOTS.
AND THEN, UH, WHAT WAS APPROVED LAST NIGHT AT COUNCIL ORDINANCE 25 S 22, UM, THAT WAS PROPOSING R TWO ZONING AND IT WAS APPROVED LAST NIGHT.
SO TWO, A PRELIMINARY TRAFFIC ANALYSIS, UH, WAS CONDUCTED AND IT WILL INCREASE TRAFFIC ON THE CITY'S TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM.
BUT OUR CITY ENGINEERS, UH, DID COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT THE TRAFFIC CAN BE SUCCESSFULLY MITIGATED BY STREET IMPROVEMENTS THAT THE DEVELOPER WILL BE REQUIRED TO CONSTRUCT THREE.
WHETHER OTHER USES PERMITTED BY THE PROPOSED CHANGE WILL BE CONSISTENT AND APPROPRIATE WITH EXISTING USES IN THE
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MEDIA AREA.SO AGAIN, IT'S SURROUNDED BY SINGLE FAMILY, UH, SUBDIVISIONS THAT ALLOW THE SAME TYPE OF THINGS, THOSE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, PARKS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
UM, AGAIN, THEY'RE COMING FORWARD TONIGHT WITH STRAIGHT ZONING.
SO THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE HAS USES THAT ALIGN WITH WHAT IS CURRENTLY IN THE VICINITY AND WHAT WOULD BE PERMITTED IN THE SAME AREA.
SO FOR WHETHER OTHER FACTORS ARE DEEMED RELEVANT AND IMPORTANT IN THE CONSIDERATION OF THE AMENDMENT SO FAR, EMS AND POLICE WERE NOTIFIED OF THE ZONE CHANGE AND DID NOT PROVIDE ANY OBJECTIONS.
AND S-C-U-C-I-S-D WAS ALSO NOTIFIED OF THE ZONE CHANGE REQUEST.
AND THIS PUBLIC HEARING DOES PROVIDE THE OPPORTUNITY TO INTRODUCE ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS.
SO THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE DOES ALIGN WITH THE COMP PLAN.
IT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT IS IN THE SURROUNDING AREA, LAND USES AND, UH, ZONING AND DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS.
SO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF PLZC 2 2 4 0 3 1 5 AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR THEM.
DOES THE APPLICANT WANNA MAKE A PRESIDENT? NOT REQUIRED.
DOES HAVE A COUPLE COMMENTS OR COME ON? NO, I DO NOT HAVE A, I GUESS.
PAUL LANDA, MTR ENGINEERS HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, UM, ABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT Y'ALL MAY HAVE.
ALRIGHT, ITEM FIVE B IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
IT IS UH, 9:17 PM AND THE FLOOR IS OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION IS WELCOME TO STEP FORWARD.
I GUESS FOLKS THAT LIVE OUT THIS WAY HAVE PRETTY MUCH GIVEN UP.
IT IS, UH, STILL 19, OR I'M SORRY, IT'S STILL SEVEN 17 AND PUBLIC INPUT IS CLOSED.
THAT'S A LOT OF HOUSES WE'VE LAID OUT APPROXIMATELY 400.
I WAS SURPRISED TO HEAR SADDLEBROOK RANCH WAS WHAT, 600 AND SOMETHING SADDLE? THESE ARE BIG LOTS.
THAT'S, UH, ASHTON WOODS AND, UM, STARLIGHT.
ALL THOSE PEOPLE RUN INTO THE DOLLAR GENERAL
UM, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING SHOWING THE, UH, THE INDIVIDUAL ZONING NOW, UM, THESE TWO PROPERTIES ACROSS LOWER SKIING, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE SOMETHING ELSE.
IT'S JUST THE ONES NORTH OF THE YES, THOSE THREE, THESE, THESE ARE SEPARATE.
SO BASICALLY R SIX IN THE FRONT, R TWO AND R ONE IN THE BACK.
AND I, I, I GUESS PDDS ARE DEAD, HUH? IT, UM, WE HAVEN'T SEEN ONE IN A LONG TIME.
UM, YEAH, WE, WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE.
WE KNOW THE MOST THEY CAN DO ON AN R SIX IS 30 ACRES, 30 ACRES, AND WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS JUST UNDER 30.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I WAS JUST TALKING TO EVERYBODY ABOUT REALITY AND UNFORTUNATELY THIS IS REALITY, BUT I, BUT I TOOK A DRIVE A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.
I HAD AN APPOINTMENT OVER IN UNIVERSAL CITY, TOOK, TOOK ME ALMOST AN HOUR TO GET FROM MY HOUSE TO MY HOUSE TO TO UPPER PAT BOOKER ROAD BECAUSE OF THAT MESS THE TDOT'S CREATED.
SO I THOUGHT I'D BE SMART AND COME BACK DOWN AND COME ACROSS, UM, UH, AVIATION.
NO, IT WAS BACKED UP AL YOU KNOW, AND UM, A UNDERPASSES CLOSED, SO.
YOU KNOW, AT, AT THAT POINT YOU HAD A, A PLANNING
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AND ZONING CHAIRMAN SAYING, I'M NOT VOTING FOR ANOTHER DOGGONE DEVELOPMENT IN THIS CITY UNTIL WE GET THESE STREETS FIGURED OUT.AND WELL, I, I SAY A LOT OF THINGS.
BUT IT'S, IT'S REALLY, UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA OF THE TIMELINE? WHAT, WHAT KIND OF TIMELINE WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS DEVELOPMENT? DO THEY HAVE ANY PLANS OF WHEN THEY'RE GO, WHEN THEY WANT TO START, BUT GENERALLY FROM ZONING TO US TURNING DIRT, IT PROBABLY TAKES US 15 TO 18 MONTHS OKAY.
TO, TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
UH, WE WILL PROBABLY START WITH THREE DIFFERENT UNITS, SO MAYBE ABOUT 50 LOTS PER, UH, ZONING SIZE.
SO, AND THEN FROM THERE, MAYBE A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF FOR THE NEXT ONES.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE A TIMELINE THAT, YOU KNOW, GOD WILLING AND CREEK DON'T RISE FOR TXDOT TO FINISH 1518.
I DON'T SEE THAT AS THE PROBLEM.
I SEE LAURA GAN ROAD AS BEING THE PROBLEM.
UM, AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE PLANNING ON DOING ABOUT THAT.
IT WAS SO NICE WHEN, UM, WHEN WE COULD MAKE THESE, THESE DEVELOPERS HELP HELP DEVELOP THAT ROADWAY AND YES, ALL THOSE, UM, JUST TO SPEAK ON, UH, LOWER SE, AS YOU KNOW, WE ARE RESTRICTED PER STATE LAW, BUT UM, WITH ALL THESE ZONE CHANGES COMING IN AND ALL OF THEM BEING APPROVED, THEY'RE SLOWLY TURNING IN THEIR APPLICATIONS AND LOWER SE WILL SLOWLY GET WIDENED INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY WITH IT.
BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALL THEY, UH, WE DON'T ACTUALLY GET ANY ROAD CONSTRUCTION OUT OF THE DEVELOPERS LIKE WE USED TO MANY YEARS AGO.
THE LEGISLATURE AND THEIR INFINITE WISDOM TOOK THAT AWAY FROM US, JUST LIKE THEY WERE GONNA, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY, THEY, UH, THEY THEY PUT THEIR FOOT DOWN ABOUT IMPACT FEES AND WITHOUT REALIZING THAT THERE WERE SOME PEOPLE OUT HERE THAT HEY, YEAH, WE UNDERSTAND.
SO WE DON'T GET IT ALL AT ONCE.
WE PHASE IT IN AND, UM, YEAH, I MEAN, IT IS WHAT IT IS.
UH, IT IS UNFORTUNATE THAT WE DON'T HAVE BETTER, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE SO NICE IF THERE WAS ANOTHER LOWER SEINEN ROAD ON THE NORTH SIDE HERE WHERE WE, WHERE WE HAD SOME KIND OF CIRCULATION INSTEAD OF EVERYTHING USING THIS ONE ROAD TO COME AND GO.
UM, AND I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THE, THE FUTURE ROAD PLAN.
WHAT DO WE CALL THAT,
UH, I KNOW WHAT WE ALL CALL THE THREE OH OH NINE EXTENSION RUNS.
DOES THAT, THAT RUNS THROUGH HERE SOMEWHERE, DOESN'T IT? SO REDWOOD CANYON GOES THROUGH SADDLEBROOK RANCH AND THAT'S ONE OF, UH, THAT'S PART OF THE MTP.
SO EVENTUALLY, MAYBE ONE OF THESE DAYS.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, THE REASON I FEEL THE WAY I DO IS I, IS I, AS I DRIVE, I DRIVE, MY SON LIVES UP IN GEORGETOWN AND I DRIVE TRAVIS, UM, AND WILLIAMSON COUNTIES A LOT, AND YOU SEE THE ROADWAYS BEING BUILT OUT THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE.
BUT YET HERE'S THIS FOUR LANE CENTER MEDIAN GORGEOUS ROADWAY BELT.
AND, UM, WE DON'T DO THAT AROUND HERE.
THEY HAVE MORE MONEY UP THERE.
IF WE HAD ABOUT 10 DELTA WE'RE NOT GEORGETOWN COMPUTERS, WE COULD DO IT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE 10 DELTA.
AND I, I'M VERY SENSITIVE TO PROPERTY TAXES SINCE, UM, MINE, MINE HAVE BEEN FROZEN FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW.
I, I CERTAINLY DON'T WANNA, DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING THERE, BUT JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, YEAH, WE SEE ALL THIS DEVELOPMENT ON INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S JUST, I DON'T REALLY SEE IT SUPPORTING IT.
WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO? SO, UM, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING, RICHARD? YEAH, IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN RED BUD CANYON, I THINK IT IS, IT'S A VERY NICE FOUR-LANE LAKE SHEZ PARKWAY.
AND THERE'S GONNA BE DEVELOPMENT ALONG, UH, RAFT BURNETT.
SO HOPEFULLY ONE OF THESE DAYS, RAFT BURNETT WILL GET CONNECTED AND IMPROVED.
AND THEN WE'VE GOT SCHAEFER ROAD.
SO, YOU KNOW, BY THE TIME THIS THING GETS GOING, I, I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE DIFFERENT WAYS TO ACCESS THAT AREA.
AND SLO WILL BE DEVELOPING OFF HACKER ROAD, SO MAYBE
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LOWER SINE WILL GET DEVELOPED AND WE CAN SNEAK ACROSS THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE SLO AREA.SO I, YOU KNOW, CROSS VINE IS WHAT, 10 YEARS OLD NOW, AND THERE'S AT LEAST, AND, AND THEY'RE STILL BUILDING.
SO, YOU KNOW, THIS THING'S NOT GONNA POP UP NEXT WEEK.
AND, AND WE'VE GOT ALL THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS ON THE SOUTH OF, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF LOWER SINE, AND THERE'S ONE THAT WASN'T INCLUDED.
THE, UH, THE BIG ONE ON TRAINER HILL, UH, THAT'S WHAT, 400, 600 HOUSES.
IT'S JUST GONNA TAKE SOME TIME.
BUT I, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD 10 DELL COMPUTERS HERE, WE COULD HAVE SOME ROADS TO THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE.
OR A SPANISH INVESTOR, WE COULD HAVE A TOLL ROAD
I FORGET ABOUT THE, UM, INDUSTRIAL BASE THAT, THAT THEY HAVE UP IN, IN THOSE TWO COUNTIES AND THAT I DID NOT THINK ABOUT THAT.
SO THAT'S IS MY SOAPBOX FOR TONIGHT.
UM, ANYBODY ELSE, ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.
WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE? I MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL THAT B LZ 2024 WHATEVER, 0 3 1 5 BE APPROVED.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER MCMASTER AND COMMISSIONER CARBON TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PLZC 2 2 4 0 3 15.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.
OH, YOU GUYS ARE TWO STEPS AHEAD OF ME.
AGAIN, RECORD YOUR VOTE PLEASE.
CAN WE PUBLISH THAT? WE HAVE SEVEN AYES AND NONE OPPOSED.
[C. PLUDC20250123- Conduct a public hearing, workshop, and discussion and possible action to make a recommendation on amendments to Part III of the Schertz Code of Ordinance, Unified Development Code (UDC), to Article 8 Section 21.8.9 - Outdoor Display and Storage. ]
THIRD AND FINAL PUBLIC HEARING PL UDC 2 2 5 0 1 2 3.0 1 2 3, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING WORKSHOP AND DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON AMENDMENTS TO PART THREE OF THE CHURCH CODE OF ORDINANCE, UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE TO ARTICLE EIGHT, SECTION 21.8 0.9, OUTDOOR DISPLAY AND STORAGE.
A PROPOSED UDC AMENDMENT TO ARTICLE EIGHT, SECTION 2189 DAISY MARQUEZ PLANNER.
SO WE'RE, WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING TONIGHT IS TO AMEND ARTICLE EIGHT UDC SECTION 2189, UH, MORE SPECIFICALLY KNOWN AS OUTDOOR DISPLAY AND OUTDOOR STORAGE.
WE'RE PROPOSING TO CREATE NEW CATEGORIES OF OUTDOOR DISPLAY AND OUTDOOR STORAGE.
AMEND THE DEFINITIONS OF BOTH THESE CATEGORIES, CLARIFY GENERAL REQUIREMENTS AND EXPAND THE EXCEPTIONS.
AND AS YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY THIS HAPPENS BECAUSE, UH, STAFF HAS TO BE PROACTIVE TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE CHANGING ENVIRONMENT.
AND A LOT OF TIMES IT'S BECAUSE WE GET A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM PEOPLE THAT COME IN AND DO DEVELOPMENT WITH US.
SO CURRENTLY WHEN YOU LOOK, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS SECTION, WE HAVE TABLE 2189 THAT SHOWS WHERE OUTDOOR DISPLAY AND OUTDOOR STORAGE IS GENERALLY ALLOWED.
WE ARE NOW PROPOSING, UM, BASICALLY TO SIMPLIFY THOSE TWO CATEGORIES AND IT'S JUST GONNA BE TWO OUTDOOR DISPLAY OR IT'S OUTDOOR STORAGE.
AND YOU'LL ALSO NOTE HERE TOO, THAT MSMU WAS ADDED TO THE PERMITTED, UH, USE TABLE FOR THIS.
IT WAS NOT A, A ZONING DISTRICT WHEN THIS WAS FIRST IMPLEMENTED.
SO NOW THIS IS ADDED TO THE PERMITTED USE TABLE.
AND THEN WHEN IT COMES TO OUTDOOR STORAGE, WE DID ADD A STIPULATION THAT IT REQUIRES A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT IN, UH, IN PUBLIC USE DISTRICT.
SO THINK OF, UM, IF PUBLIC WORKS NEEDS SOME SORT OF OUTDOOR STORAGE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME IN AND REQUEST A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, BUT IT WOULD STILL NOT BE ALLOWED IN GB.
AND THEN WE MOVED ALL THE GENERAL REQUIREMENTS UP TO THE TOP TO MAKE IT CLEAR WHAT EVERYONE WOULD HAVE TO FOLLOW.
AGAIN, IT'S JUST MAKING IT MORE CLEAR THAT IT HAS TO BE SPECIFICALLY SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN.
IT CANNOT BE WITHIN ANY REQUIRED LANDSCAPE BUFFERS.
AND ADDING THE STIPULATION AND MAKING IT CLEAR THAT, UM, IT HAS TO STAY OUT OF ALL THE REQUIRED A DA ACCESS POINTS.
AND WHEN IT COMES TO THE PROPOSED OUTDOOR DISPLAY CATEGORY, IT SHOULD BE THINGS, UM, ACTIVELY FOR SALE OR LEASE THAT CAN BE PERUSED BY PUBLIC.
UM, IT SHOULD BE THINGS THAT ARE SEEN AT HOME IMPROVEMENT BUSINESSES OR SIMILAR
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TYPE RETAIL OR COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES.AND THEN THE STIPULATIONS WERE ADDED THAT INDIVIDUAL ITEMS FOR OUTDOOR DISPLAY CANNOT EXCEED 15 FEET IN HEIGHT.
AND THEN STACKED ITEMS CANNOT EXCEED FIVE FEET IN HEIGHT.
AND THE OUTDOOR DISPLAY AREA SHALL NOT EXCEED 25% OF THAT PRIMARY BUILDING SQUARE FOOTAGE.
AND THEN, UH, OUTDOOR STORAGE IS NOW GONNA BE EVERYTHING ELSE THAT IS NOT OUTDOOR DISPLAY.
UM, THE DEFINITION OF THE THINGS THAT FALL UNDER THIS, UH, REMAINS GENERALLY THE SAME.
SO USE TIRES, RAILROAD TIES, TEMPORARY PORTABLE STORAGE FACILITIES, CONTAINERS, SEMI TRUCKS.
UM, BUT IT ALSO, UH, WE ADDED THE CLARIFICATION THAT IT INCLUDES ITEMS FOR SALE THAT ARE SOLD IN BULK.
SO THINK, UM, WAREHOUSING OF LIKE LAND RAW LANDSCAPE MATERIALS, SO LARGE MOUNDS AND WHOLESALE BUSINESSES.
AND AGAIN, JUST STIPULATING THAT IT'S PROHIBITED WITHIN PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY OR FIRE LANES.
IT CAN'T BE, IT'S NOT ALLOWED IN OFF STREET PARKING SPACES AND IT CANNOT EXCEED A MAXIMUM OF 20 FEET IN HEIGHT AND IT MUST BE ENCLOSED OR AT THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE, BUT IN NO WAY SHOULD IT BE VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
SO IT'S BASICALLY THE SAME THAT WE HAD BEFORE.
JUST MAKING IT CLEAR AGAIN, UM, WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE FOR OUTDOOR STORAGE.
UH, THE PROPOSED EXCEPTIONS WERE EXPANDED.
SO GARDEN CENTERS, LUMBER YARDS, AND OUTDOOR SALES AREAS ARE NOT CONSIDERED OUTDOOR DISPLAY OR OUTDOOR STORAGE IF THE AREAS IS ATTACHED TO AND ACCESSIBLE THROUGH THE PRIMARY BUILDING.
SO THINK OF AN HOME IMPROVEMENT STORE WHERE YOU WALK OUT TO A GARDEN CENTER.
UM, THAT'S WHAT THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERING.
AND UH, IT CAN BE, IT HAS TO BE ENCLOSED UTILIZING A METAL OR STEEL FENCE MATERIAL AND IT HAS TO BE IDENTIFIED ON AN APPROVED SITE PLAN.
SO THEY CAN'T JUST COME IN AND PUT IT DOWN ONE DAY AND THEN THE FAR LANE IS BLOCKED.
THEY HAVE TO CLEARLY IDENTIFY IT AS GOING THROUGH THE SITE PLAN PROCESS.
AND THEN SIDEWALK SALES ARE NOT CONSIDERED OUTDOOR DISPLAY OR OUTDOOR STORAGE.
WE REALLY WANNA, UM, ENCOURAGE BUSINESSES TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE THAT SORT OF ACTIVATION WHERE THEY CAN HAVE THOSE SIDEWALK SALES.
THEY CAN PUT THINGS TO SELL ALONG, UM, RIGHT OUTSIDE OF THEIR, THEIR DOOR, THEIR CELL AREAS, BUT THEY STILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH ALL A DA REQUIREMENTS.
SO U-D-C-U-D-C SECTION 21 4 7 D LIST OF CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL FOR UDC AMENDMENTS.
SO THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT PROMOTES THE HEALTH SAFETY IN GENERAL WELFARE OF THE CITY.
SO THIS UDC SECTION 2189 WAS LAST UPDATED DURING THE PANDEMIC.
UM, JUST TO INCLUDE SOME SPECIFIC STIPULATIONS IF, UH, MATERIAL WASN'T AVAILABLE AT THAT TIME.
BUT BEFORE THAT IT HAD NOT BEEN REVISED SINCE ITS IMPLEMENTATION IN 2010.
SO YOU CAN IMAGINE THE THINGS THAT WERE ADDED TO OUR UDC AFTER THAT TO THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS, OBJECTIVES, AND THE POLICY OF THE U OF THE UDC AND THE CITY.
SO AGAIN, STAFF IS TRYING TO BE PROACTIVE AND KEEP UP WITH THIS CHANGING RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL ENVIRONMENTS.
COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES HAVE SHOWN A DESIRE TO HAVE OUTDOOR DISPLAY.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, UH, DIFFERENT COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES ARE POPPING UP.
THEY COME TO US, THEY SEE IF, YOU KNOW THEIR BUSINESS CAN FIT OUR UDC OR HOW WE CAN WORK WITH THEM.
AND SOMETIMES WE'VE HAD, WE HAVE HAD TO SAY, YOU KNOW, IT WON'T WORK BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOT WRITTEN IN OUR UDC.
OUR UDC INHERENTLY PROHIBITS IT.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, MSMU WAS NOT IN PLACE DURING THE IMPLEMENTATION OF UDC SECTION 20 21 8 NOW.
UH, SO NOW PEOPLE WITH MSMU ZONING WOULD BE ALLOWED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT OUTDOOR DISPLAY AND HAVE SOME SORT OF SIDEWALK SALES.
SO THINK OF BOUTIQUES THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A BLOWOUT SPRING SALE, THEY PUT SOME RACKS OUT, BUT PEOPLE ARE STILL ABLE TO ACCESS THE SIDEWALK AND THEIR ENTRANCE WITH THE WHEELCHAIR.
THREE, THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT CORRECTS AND ERROR MEETS THE CHALLENGE OF CHANGING CONDITIONS OR IS IN RESPONSE TO CHANGES IN STATE LAW.
AND AGAIN, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY OUTDOOR DISPLAY AND OUTDOOR STORAGE DEFINITIONS AND EXPANSION OF EXCEPTIONS AND FOUR OTHER FACTORS WHICH ARE DEEMED RELEVANT AND IMPORTANT IN THE CONSIDERATION OF THIS AMENDMENT.
SO STAFF HAS ENSURED THAT THE UDC MEETS, UH, THE U THE UUD C AMENDMENT MEETS THE UDC REQUIREMENTS AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF PL UDC 20 25 0 1, 2 3 JUST DUE TO THE CHANGING CONDITIONS OF THE COMMERCIAL ENVIRONMENT AND JUST, UM, TO BE PROACTIVE WITH UDC AMENDMENTS.
THIS IS, UH, A PUBLIC HEARING.
I WILL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THIS TOPIC IS WELCOME TO STEP FORWARD.
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AND UH, PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED.COMMISSIONERS DISCUSSION, COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? UM, OKAY, GO AHEAD RICHARD.
DAISY, WHERE DID THE NUMBERS COME FROM FOR 15 AND 20 FEET STORAGE.
SO THE 20 FEET IS WHAT'S ALLOWED NOW, UM, JUST FOR OUTDOOR DISPLAY, UH, OUTDOOR STORAGE.
SO WE DIDN'T WANNA CHANGE THAT.
WE DIDN'T WANNA MAKE ANYONE NON-CONFORMING AND THEN THE 15 FEET WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT WE THOUGHT WAS REASONABLE.
SO THE, THE BUSINESSES IN THE DEVELOPMENTS IN THE M1 AND TWO, THEY'RE AWARE OF THE 20 FOOT ALREADY AND NOBODY'S WANTED TO CHANGE ANYTHING THAT WE KNOW OF, RIGHT? I I'M JUST ASKING WHERE THEY CAME FROM SO THAT THAT'S GOOD.
DO LANE OFF OF TEJAS WAY, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW WHERE THAT IS?
AND ALL THE, ALL THE MANUFACTURING DOWN THERE, THERE'S NO RESIDENTIAL WITHIN, I DON'T KNOW, TWO MILES OF THAT PLACE.
WHY, WHY DO WE CARE SO MUCH ABOUT HOW HIGH THEY STACK STUFF OUT THERE? IS, IS IT, IS IT FOR AESTHETICS OR IS IT FOR SAFETY OR WHAT, WHY DO WE PUT 20 FEET ON IT? MORE OF A MIX OF BOTH, BUT WE ALSO DON'T WANNA MAKE ANYONE NON-CONFORMING.
I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST EXAMPLES OF THIS IS THE MOBILE MINI OFF OF I 35.
OUR MAX IS 20 FEET AND THEY'RE EXCEEDING THAT RIGHT NOW.
SO IT'S JUST KIND OF THE STANDARD WE HAD AND WE JUST HAVEN'T CHANGED IT.
WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M THINKING ABOUT IS, IS ARTIFICIALLY LIMITING WHAT BUSINESSES CAN DO WITH THEIR PROPERTY OUT ON TEJAS WAY.
IT'S A RAILROAD TRACK AND THEN IT'S OTHER BUSINESSES, YOU KNOW, DO, DO WE NEED SUCH RESTRICTIONS OR CAN WE MAKE IT MORE LENIENT? SO, SO WHAT I'D SAY IS YOU CAN CERTAINLY MAKE IT MORE LENIENT.
WHAT I WOULD TELL YOU IS THAT KEEP IN MIND IT'S DONE BASED ON THE ZONING DISTRICT.
SO WHILE YOU MAY BE THINKING TEJAS WAY, DOER LANE, ANYWHERE ELSE, WE'VE GOT THAT ZONING THAT MAY BE MORE VISIBLE.
NOW YOU'VE, YOU'VE GONE UP WITH IT AS WELL.
BUT WE COULD PUT A STAR AND SAY ACCEPT TEJAS WAY OR SOMETHING.
I I DON'T DOUBT THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT ARE IN VIOLATION OF IT SLIGHTLY.
IT'S GOT 22 FEET, 23 FEET, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WHAT STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND ON THIS ONE IS BECAUSE WE THINK IT'S A HUGE BENEFIT TO JUST MAKE THIS CLEAR DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE DISPLAY MM-HMM
AND THE GARDEN CENTER AND THE OUTDOOR STORAGE.
WHAT WE WOULD SAY IS STICK WITH WHAT WE'VE GOT ON THAT BECAUSE IT'S NOT BEEN A PROBLEM.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK TO, RIGHT? IF WE FIND WE'VE GOT AN ISSUE, WE CAN COME BACK AND WE CAN REVISIT IT.
BUT, BUT I THINK FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, WE HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT IT ENOUGH TO SAY IS THAT INCREASED STANDARD REALLY APPROPRIATE EVERYWHERE ELSE? THE OTHER WHICH YOU'D GET INTO AND CERTAINLY FAIR PERSONNEL CAN CHIME IN, IS THAT YOU HAVE THESE CERTAIN, AGAIN, FIRE KIND OF ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
AND, AND SO PART OF THE PROBLEM THAT FIRE'S GONNA HAVE IS THAT BY ZONING YOU CAN GO UP HIGHER, BUT THEN THEY'RE GOING, OH MY GOD, YOU DIDN'T COME THROUGH US AND NOW I'VE GOT ISSUES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, UH, AGAIN, DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU.
WHAT WE WOULD PROBABLY RECOMMEND IS STICK WITH THE 20 THAT'S CURRENTLY IN THERE AND IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO KIND OF DO SOME MORE RESEARCH ON AND COME BACK TO, WE CAN COME BACK TO IT AND, AND I THINK WE WOULD SAY IT'S A LITTLE EASIER TO COME BACK TO IT KNOWING THAT WE'VE MADE THIS CHANGE WITH REGARD TO THE OUTDOOR STORAGE AND DISPLAY AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH AS OPPOSED TO WE'RE MOVING THAT WHILE WE'RE MOVING THIS STUFF A LITTLE BIT.
SO, AND I'LL TRANSPORT MYSELF INTO YOUR OFFICE AND, AND I I WANT TO BUILD A WAREHOUSE ON TEJAS WAY AND MY PRODUCT, WHATEVER IT IS, IS 35 FEET TALL.
SO WHEN I COME TO YOU IN, IN YOUR OFFICE AND WE'RE DISCUSSING THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE RULES AND THE RESTRICTIONS, IF I TELL YOU I NEED 35 FEET, WHAT WOULD YOU DO? SAY GO BILL SOMEWHERE ELSE, OR WE'LL TAKE IT UP WITH PLANNING AND ZONING AND CITY OF COUNCIL.
I MEAN, I THINK, LET ME CHIME IN FOR DAYS BECAUSE WE'VE HAD THIS.
SO LIKE YOU HAVE CRANES IN THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT ARE MORE THAN 20 FEET TALL THAT THEY STORE OUT THERE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT STAFF IS GONNA SAY YOU'RE, I THINK THE INTENT IS YOU'RE NOT STACKING STUFF MORE THAN 20 FEET TALL, RIGHT? IT'S, REMEMBER WHEN WE HAD THE GE FACILITY WITH THE LIQUIFIED NATURAL GAS THINGS AND THEY HAD THOSE OUT THERE IN THE YARD, THOSE WERE PROBABLY MORE THAN 20 FEET TALL, I WOULD THINK.
BUT WE DIDN'T CONSIDER IT A VIOLATION OF THE CODE BECAUSE THE THING INHERENTLY WAS ABOVE 20 FEET TALL.
I THINK AND WE CAN CLARIFY THAT YOU CAN'T
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STACK MORE THAN 20 FEET TALL IF YOU WANT, WHICH IS REALLY THE INTENT.IF YOU'VE GOT THESE THINGS AND YOU'RE GONNA STACK 'EM ON ONE ANOTHER, YOU CAN'T GO UP MORE THAN 20 FEET.
AND ALL THAT MEANS IS YOU JUST NEED MORE AREA.
BUT WE CAN, IF THE RECOMMENDATION COMING OUT OF PNZ IS CLARIFY THAT THE HEIGHT LIMIT INVOLVES STACKING OF THINGS AS OPPOSED TO THE EQUIPMENT ITSELF IS INHERENTLY TALLER THAN THAT, I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER ENFORCED ON THAT.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? AND I THINK THAT COVERS WHAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT IT.
'CAUSE IT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IF MY, WHAT IF THE PRODUCT I MAKE IS 25 FEET TALL? A A BIG AIR CONDITIONER? YEAH.
I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER ENFORCED ON THAT.
I THINK MY INITIAL REACTION IS THAT ISN'T WHAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT.
SO WHAT WE CAN DO, SO WE'RE, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT STACKING LIKE OUT, OUT OUTSIDE OF LOWE'S OR YEAH.
RIGHT? IF YOU'VE GOT PRODUCT AND YOU WANNA STACK, THAT'S FINE, BUT WE'RE, WE'VE, WE'VE ALWAYS HAD THIS CAP OF 20 FEET.
I THINK MOST PEOPLE GENERALLY COMPLY WITH IT AND IT WORKS.
BUT YEAH, IF YOU'VE GOT A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT'S TALLER, WE CAN CLARIFY THAT.
SECONDARY CONDITION WITH IT BEING STACKED AT 20 FEET, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT MULTIPLE SMALL ITEMS, ANYTHING ABOVE THAT SIZE IS GONNA REQUIRE SUBSTANTIAL, UM, RACKING AND IT'S GONNA REQUIRE SUBSTANTIAL BRACING TO KEEP THAT LOCKED IN.
THE HIGHER YOU GO THE MORE CHANCE YOU HAVE OF COLLAPSE AND YOU HAVE ALSO MATERIAL FLYING OFF.
THE LAST THING WE NEED IS TO HAVE SOMETHING MATERIAL, EVEN IN AN INDUSTRIAL ZONE, FLYING AND HITTING A VEHICLE OR ANOTHER BUILDING.
THAT'S PRETTY MUCH AN INDUSTRY STANDARD AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH A GOVERNMENTAL STANDARD IS TO KEEP IT AT 20 FEET SO MATERIALS DON'T HAVE A CHANCE OF LIFTING.
ANYBODY ELSE? YOU GUYS ARE GONNA START USING THE PUSH BUTTONS.
I'M GONNA HAVE TO LEARN TO LOOK.
SOMEBODY MOVE MY CHEESE AND I DON'T LIKE IT.
UM, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? I WANNA THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTIONS THERE.
I WAS GETTING A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT THE 15 FEET VERSUS THE 20 FEET AND I'M UP HERE GOING, WAS IT 15 OR IS IT 20? I UNDERSTAND NOW.
UH, IF NO ONE ELSE HAS ANY, UH, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS WERE UM, UH, GO AHEAD MR. WELL LET ME ASK, ASK FOR CLARIFICATION.
SO YOU WOULD RECOMMEND THE CLARIFY CLARIFYING 20 FEET OF STACK HEIGHT.
WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GONNA, IS RECOMMEND APPROVAL AS PROPOSED BY STAFF, BUT THAT STAFF CLARIFY THE STACKING OF THINGS VERSUS THE, UH, HEIGHT OF A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT WILL, WILL COME UP WITH SOME LANGUISH FOR IT.
OH, I'M NOT LOOKING AT MY OWN NOTES HERE.
SO, UM, THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT EXCEPTION FOR PUBLIC WORKS.
WHY, WHY, WHY ARE WE TREATING OURSELVES DIFFERENTLY THAN EVERYBODY ELSE? YEAH, I KNOW BRIAN.
SO WE HAVE, UH, PUBLIC WORKS ESSENTIALLY YARDS ALL OVER.
UM, AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, IT'S ADJACENT TO DIFFERENT TYPES OF ZONING DISTRICTS.
SO WE STILL WANNA GIVE Y'ALL THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A DECISION, BUT YEAH, PUBLIC USE.
SO IT'S A PUBLIC USE, NOT PUBLIC WORK.
SO, SO WHAT YOU COULD HAVE IS YOU COULD HAVE A PIECE OF PROPERTY ZONE PUBLIC USE MM-HMM
THAT'S OWNED BY A PRIVATE, YOU COULD HAVE CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE THAT WOULD BE PROBLEMATIC.
SO AGAIN, IT'S NOT TO GIVE THE CITY OF SHIRTS A SPECIAL BENEFIT, IT'S TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T RUN INTO THIS SITUATION WHERE RIGHT.
THAT'S A PUBLIC USES SCHOOLS AND COULD BE OTHER.
I, YEAH, I JUST MISUNDERSTOOD THAT.
ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE P-L-U-D-C 2 2 5 0 1 23 WITH THE CONDITIONS CLARIFYING THE 20 FOOT STACKING VERSUS 20 FOOT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT.
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THAT SOUND GOOD? BRIAN? SECOND.I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF P-L-U-D-C 2 2 5 0 1 23 WITH CLARIFICATION OF THE 20 FOOT, UH, HEIGHT LIMIT.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? THERE YOU GO.
AND I'M, I'M GETTING FURTHER AND FURTHER BEHIND.
CAN YOU PUT THAT UP FOR US PLEASE? WE HAVE SEVEN AYES AND NONE OPPOSED THAT MOTION PASSES.
[A. Requests by Commissioners to place items on a future Planning and Zoning Agenda]
NUMBER SIX, REQUEST AND ANNOUNCEMENTS.A REQUEST BY COMMISSIONER PLACE ITEMS ON A FUTURE PLAN AND ZONING AGENDA.
ITEM SIX B ANNOUNCEMENTS BY COMMISSIONERS.
ANYBODY, COMMISSIONER, BRO, ARE YOU GONNA TALK ABOUT IT? OKAY.
[C. Announcements by City Staff. City and community events attended and to be attended.]
ITEM C ANNOUNCEMENTS BY CITY STAFF.SO I'M SAD TO ANNOUNCE THAT THIS IS COMMISSIONER BRO'S LAST PNZ MEETING.
HE STARTED AS AN ALTERNATE ON THE COMMISSION IN 2010 AND BECAME A FULL MEMBER ON DECEMBER 14TH, 2011.
AND AS HE HAS MENTIONED BEFORE, MANY TIMES HE GOT ON THIS COMMISSION TO BE MORE INVOLVED IN HIS COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SPENDING SO MANY YEARS WITH US AND LATE NIGHTS.
AND WITH THAT, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR 15 YEARS OF SERVICE AND DEDICATION TO THE CITY OF SHIRTZ.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M GONNA DO WITHOUT YOU, RICHARD.
THAT'S, YEAH, NO, I, I, I MEAN THAT SINCERELY.
I I WILL MISS YOU AND SOME OF OUR LITTLE CONVERSATIONS, UH, AFTER THE MEETING.
YEAH, IT'S NOT, NOT GONNA BE QUITE THE SAME.
[B. Announcements by Commissioners City and community events attended and to be attended Continuing education events attended and to be attended]
ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.CAN I, CAN I SAY FEW? OH, YOU BET.
THANK YOU DAISY, FOR LOOKING UP WHEN I STARTED, 'CAUSE I COULDN'T REMEMBER
YEAH, YOU WERE FIRE CHIEF BUT NOT ON P AND Z.
UM, SOME FOLKS HAVE ASKED ME WHY, WHY AM I STEPPING DOWN? AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, WAS IT SOME KIND OF PERSONNEL PERSONAL ISSUE OR CONFLICT OR SOMETHING? UH, IT, IT WASN'T THAT.
UH, IF YOU REMEMBER WHEN THEY USED TO HAND OUT THE ENVELOPES AND WE PICKED THEM UP AT THE POLICE STATION WITH OUR AGENDA PACKET AND ALL THE STUFF AND IT WAS LIKE, ALRIGHT, WHAT'S IN THE AGENDA TODAY? BIG SURPRISE.
UH, I, THE LAST COUPLE OF MEETINGS I LOOKED AT THE AGENDA THAT DAISY SENT OUT AND IT WAS LIKE, HUH, HERE WE GO AGAIN.
AND SO FOR ME IT'S JUST, IT, IT'S 15 YEARS FOR GOD'S SAKE.
AND I THINK I JUST NEEDED A BREAK THAT IT'S NOTHING TO DO WITH PEOPLE OR, UH, PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE YELLING AND SCREAMING AT US.
I, I ALREADY COULD CARE LESS ABOUT YELLING AND SCREAMING
SO IT, IT IS NOT EVEN THAT, IT'S JUST TIME.
AND UH, UH, SOME OF YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M BUSY WITH THE WATER AND THE WASTEWATER AND THAT'S GOING FULL SPEED AHEAD AND IT'S NOT GONNA STOP.
SO I'LL STILL BE INVOLVED AND I'M NOT MOVING.
SO I'LL STILL BE IN SHIRTS IN MY HOUSE JUST UP THE HILL.
I'M NOT GOING TO A ARMY RETIREMENT COMMUNITY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA STAY INVOLVED.
I I JUST NEED A BREAK FROM, YOU KNOW, DOING WHAT WE DO HERE.
UH, THANK YOU TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.
YOU LEARN EVERY DAY, EVERY MEETING, EVERY WEEK, YOU LEARN.
UH, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO KEEP LEARNING AND KEEP STUDYING AND, AND LEARN WHAT WE'RE DOING.
'CAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT AND THANKS FOR BEING A PART OF THE COMMUNITY AND WANTING TO MAKE CHANGE.
SO KEEP IT UP AND I HOPE YOU GUYS STAY, MAYBE NOT 15 YEARS, BUT STICK AROUND AND, AND CONTINUE YOUR SERVICE AND THE CITY STAFF.
I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE A GREAT TEAM GOING ON.
UH, WE'VE GONE THROUGH A LOT OF PEOPLE
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AND PLANNING AND ZONING AND, AND THE REST OF THE CITY.UH, I I THINK THE TEAM YOU HAVE NOW IS GOOD.
IT'S STRONG, IT'S YOUNG, UH, YOU GUYS HAVE GOOD ENERGY, YOU RUN GOOD MEETINGS AND, UH, CONTINUE TO DO THE GOOD WORK AND, AND THANKS FOR THE SUPPORT THAT I'VE HAD ALL THESE YEARS.
[7. INFORMATION AVAILABLE IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION PACKETS- NO DISCUSSION TO OCCUR]
ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, UM, INFORMATION'S AVAILABLE IN YOUR PACKET AS TO THE, OUR, UH, CURRENT PROJECTS AND THEIR STATUS WITH CITY COUNCIL.UM, LISA, YOU HAVE A COUPLE MINUTES I CAN SPEAK WITH YOU AFTER THE MEETING.
UM, CAN I SAY SOMETHING REAL QUICK? WELL, I WENT RIGHT PAST THE ANNOUNCEMENT.
I, I SAW THERE'S A DEADLINE TO REGISTER FOR THE CONFERENCE COMING UP OR SOMETHING.
THAT, AND NO ONE BROUGHT THAT UP, SO MM-HMM
THERE'S A DEADLINE FOR THAT COMING UP, RIGHT? OR DID IT PASS? MM-HMM
YEAH, I'M JUST REMINDING EVERYBODY, THAT'S ALL.
YEAH, THAT'S THE, THE LAND USE CONFERENCE AND THAT'S THE ONE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THAT'S WHAT I WANNA TALK TO LISA ABOUT.
THERE'S TWO, WELL THE LAND USE IS IN AUGUST AND THEN, UH, A PA IS UH, OCTOBER.
SO, UH, BUT THE LAND USE TML LAND USE IS THE ONE COMING UP AND I THINK HE, SO, UM, WELL WHY DON'T YOU HANG 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT I WANNA TALK TO LISA ABOUT.
7 52 AND THIS MEETING'S ADJOURNED.