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IT IS, UH, 6:00 PM AND I'LL CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
THIS IS THE JULY 2ND, 2025 REGULAR MEETING OF THE SHE'S PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
ITEM NUMBER ONE WAS THE CALL TO ORDER.
[2. SEAT ALTERNATE TO ACT IF REQUIRED]
ITEM NUMBER TWO IS DE SEAT ALTERNATES.UH, WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF CHANGES UP HERE.
UM, MS. GOLD IS NOW, UH, AN ALTERNATE AND SHE'S JOINING US THIS EVENING.
MR. HUGHES AND MR. WALLACE ARE NOW FULL-TIMERS, SO, UM, ALRIGHT.
[3. HEARING OF RESIDENTS This time is set aside for any person who wishes to address the Planning and Zoning Commission. Each person should fill out the Speaker’s register prior to the meeting. Presentations should be limited to no more than three (3) minutes. Discussion by the Commission of any item not on the agenda shall be limited to statements of specific factual information given in response to any inquiry, a recitation of existing policy in response to an inquiry, and/or a proposal to place the item on a future agenda. The presiding officer, during the Hearing of Residents portion of the agenda, will call on those persons who have signed up to speak in the order they have registered.]
HEARING OF RESIDENCE.NO EMAILS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
[4. CONSENT AGENDA:]
NUMBER FOUR IS OUR CONSENT AGENDA.HAVE ONE ITEM, ITEM FOUR A IS THE MINUTES FROM THE JUNE 4TH, 2025 REGULAR MEETING.
THERE'S NO DISCUSSION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
WE NEED TO PULL THIS ITEM FOR DISCUSSION.
IF NOT, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA? MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT, CONSENT AGENDA.
SECOND, IT WAS, UH, COMMISSIONER WALLACE.
UM, AGAIN, THERE'S NO DISCUSSION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
SO IF YOU WOULD PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTES.
CAN YOU PUBLISH THAT FOR US PLEASE? I HAVE, UH, SIX AYES AND NONE OPPOSED THAT MOTION PASSES.
[A. PLZC20250094 - Hold a public hearing and make a recommendation on a request to rezone approximately 4.64 acres of land from General Business District (GB) to General Business District-2 (GB-2), generally known as 36 Maske Road and 40 Maske Road, Lots 1 and 2, Block 1 of the Maske Road Business Park Subdivision, more specifically known as Guadalupe County Property Identification Numbers 199114, and 199115.]
PUBLIC HEARING PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION WILL HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING RELATED TO ZONE CHANGE REQUESTS, SPECIFIC USE PERMIT REQUESTS, AND UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENTS.WITHIN THIS AGENDA, THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE OPEN TO RECEIVE A REPORT FROM STAFF, THE APPLICANT, THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS AFFECTED BY THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST, AND ANY OTHER INTERESTED PERSONS ON COMPLETION.
THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE CLOSED.
THE COMMISSION WILL DISCUSS AND CONSIDER THE APPLICATION AND MAY REQUEST ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM STAFF OR THE APPLICANT IF REQUIRED.
AFTER DELIBERATION, THE COMMISSION IS ASKED TO CONSIDER AND ACT UPON THE FOLLOWING REQUESTS AND, AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL IF NECESSARY.
ITEM FIVE A IS PLZC 20 25 0 0 9 4.
HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON A REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 4.64 ACRES OF LAND FROM GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT GB TO GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT TWO, GB TWO, GENERALLY KNOWN AS 36 MASSEY ROAD AND 40 MASSEY ROAD, LOTS ONE AND TWO BLOCK ONE OF THE MASSEY ROAD BUSINESS PARK SUBDIVISION, MORE SPECIFICALLY KNOWN AS GUADALUPE COUNTY.
PROPERTY IDENTIFICATION NUMBERS 1 9 9 1 1 4 AND ONE ONE, I'M SORRY, 1 9 9 1 1 5 SIR.
GOOD EVENING COMMISSION PLZC 2 0 2 5 0 0 9 4.
PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE TO GB TWO ESKI ROAD WILLINGHAM PLANNER.
SO IF YOU THINK YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THIS BEFORE, IT IS BECAUSE IT IS A VERY SIMILAR APPLICATION TO THE ONE THAT CAME APPROXIMATELY TWO MONTHS AGO.
UH, FOR THE LOTS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY, UH, THEY'RE MAKING THE SAME REQUEST.
UH, SO THIS IS THE AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPERTY.
IT'S CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED AT THIS TIME, AS WELL AS THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES EXCEPT FOR TO THE SOUTH.
YOU SEE SOME OF THE OFFICE WAREHOUSE DEVELOPMENT AND IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED AS GB AT THIS TIME, UH, ADJACENT PROPERTIES ARE EITHER GB OR GB TWO 10 PUBLIC NOTICES WERE SENT OUT FOR THIS PROPERTY.
ONLY ONE RESPONSE WAS RECEIVED IN FAVOR OF THIS PROPERTY.
UM, A PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE WILL BE PLACED IN THE SAN ANTONIO EXPRESS PRIOR TO CITY COUNCIL.
A NOTIFICATION SIGN WAS PLACED ON THE PROPERTY BY THE APPLICANT AND JBSA HAS BEEN NOTIFIED AND AFFIRMATIVELY RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST.
UH, SO ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS JUST ANOTHER, UH, EXHIBIT OF THE ZONE CHANGE.
UH, SO WE SEE IT'S CURRENTLY GB CHANGING TO GB TWO, THE SITE IN CONTEXT.
IT IS CURRENTLY LOCATED WITHIN THE AP PZ TWO.
UH, THE PURPOSE OF THE APZ IS TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S COMPATIBILITY BETWEEN, UH, JBSA
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RANDOLPH AND THE CITY OF SHIRTZ.JUST MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S COMPATIBLE USES UNDER THAT AREA THAT'S BELOW THE RUNWAY FLIGHT LINE.
UH, SO THE PURPOSE AND EFFECT OF THE AP PZ, SO UDC SECTION 21 5 9 SPECIAL DISTRICT SPECIFICALLY OUTLINES THAT JBSA MUST AFFIRMATIVELY RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE ZONE CHANGE REQUEST BEFORE THE CITY CAN TAKE THIS APPLICATION.
AND SO WE REQUIRE THAT LETTER THERE THAT YOU SEE ON THE TOP SIDE WHERE THE VERBIAGE STATES J BS A AFFIRMATIVELY RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE ZONE CHANGE.
IF WE DO NOT HAVE THIS LETTER, WE CANNOT MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS APPLICATION.
SO THE SIGHTING CONTEXT, JUST ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS LOCATED IN A RELATIVELY, UH, UNDEVELOPED AREA AT THIS TIME.
YOU CAN SEE THE CURRENT CONDITIONS.
THERE'S NOTHING THERE AT THIS MOMENT.
UH, NEITHER IS THERE ANYTHING, UH, ACROSS THE STREET ON MASSEY ROAD.
UH, BUT YOU CAN SEE KIND OF TO THE SOUTH IN THAT AERIAL VIEW THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS AREA IS LENDING ITSELF TO OFFICE WAREHOUSE USES ZONING DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS.
UM, SO THE DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS ARE ACTUALLY THE SAME FROM GB TO GB TWO.
AND OF COURSE THE PRIMARY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GB AND GB TWO IS JUST SOME MORE INTENSE USES THAT WE SEE KIND OF TO ALLOW THAT.
OFFICE WAREHOUSE IS THE MOST COMMON REQUIREMENT THAT PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR WHEN THEY MAKE THIS ZONE CHANGE REQUEST.
AND IT IS THE APPLICANT INTENT TO HAVE OFFICE WAREHOUSE AT THIS DEVELOPMENT.
SO UDC SECTION 2154 D CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL, WHETHER THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE IMPLEMENTS THE POLICIES ADOPTED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND PLAN OR ANY OTHER APPLICABLE ADOPTED PLANS.
SO THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND PLAN IS A GUIDING DOCUMENT FOR THE LONG GRADE VISION OF THE CITY.
UH, THIS AREA IS CURRENTLY DESIGNATED AS INDUSTRIAL HUB, WHICH IS OF COURSE INTENDED FOR MANUFACTURING, PROCESSING, DISTRIBUTING, AND GB TWO IS INTENDED FOR SIMILAR USES OF LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENTS TO SERVE THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY, WHICH TENDS TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH INDUSTRIAL HUB TWO, WHETHER THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE PROMOTES THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE CITY.
UH, SO AS I WAS DISCUSSING BEFORE, AS PART OF PROMOTING THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE, THE CITY SHOULD ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING USES, UTILIZING STANDARDS AND TRANSITIONAL USES TO ALLEVIATE NEGATIVE IMPACTS.
UM, SO THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE A PZ AND AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, JBSA HAS AFFIRMATIVELY, UH, RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST.
WHETHER THE USES PERMITTED BY THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE WILL BE CONSISTENT AND APPROPRIATE WITH THE AREA'S EXISTING IMMEDIATE WITH THE EXISTING USES IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA.
SO, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THIS AREA IS CURRENTLY GB LENDING ITSELF TO GB TWO.
WE ALREADY SAW THAT APPLICATION COME IN RECENTLY THAT WAS MAKING THE SIMILAR REQUEST AND WE DID APPROVE THAT APPLICATION.
UH, SO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AROUND, YOU KNOW, OTHER PROPERTIES THAT ARE ZONE GB TWO AND WHETHER OTHER FACTORS ARE DEEMED RELEVANT AND IMPORTANT IN THE CONSIDERATION OF THIS AMENDMENT.
SO ALL UDC REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN MET FOR THIS PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE REQUEST AND THE SHIRTS, FIRE EMS AND POLICE DEPARTMENTS HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED OF THE ZONE CHANGE REQUEST AND HAVE PROVIDED NO OBJECTIONS.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION DUE TO THE CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING AREA, THE CONSISTENCY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND PLAN AND THE AFFIRMATIVE RECOMMENDATION OF THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE FROM JBSA STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF PLZC 2 0 2 5 0 0 9 4.
THE APPLICANT IS NOT HERE TONIGHT.
IT IS, UM, STOP LOOKING AT THAT CLOCK AND LOOK OVER HERE.
IT IS, UH, 6:08 PM AND I'LL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THIS TOPIC IS WELCOME TO STEP FORWARD? NOBODY BIG CROWD TONIGHT, RIGHT? ALL.
IT IS, UH, STILL 6:08 PM AND PUBLIC INPUT IS CLOSED.
UM, BEFORE I OPEN IT UP TO COMMISSIONERS, I'M A LITTLE SURPRISED THAT THE APPLICANT DIDN'T CARE ENOUGH TO SHOW UP THIS EVENING AND REPRESENT THEMSELVES.
DO THEY REALLY THINK IT'S THAT EASY? APPLICANT KNOWS I INFORMED THEM.
UM, SO THEY HAVE THE NOTIFICATION.
AND I, AND I WOULD SAY IT'S NOT, TECHNICALLY, IT'S NOT A LEGAL REQUIREMENT FOR THEM TO COME.
AND I WOULD SAY THE WEATHER HAS BEEN KIND OF ROUGH THE LAST SEVERAL HOURS.
UM, THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS COME IN SEVERAL TIMES YES.
TO TALK ABOUT THE CASE IS VERY COMMITTED.
HE ACTUALLY CAME ON THE LAST CASE, WASN'T HE? YES, HE WAS HERE AT THE LAST CASE FOR THE SIMILAR REQUEST.
SO I WOULD SAY THE WEATHER IS PROBABLY PLAYING.
I I, I JUST DON'T WANT TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE THEY TAKE US FOR GRANTED.
AND I WILL SAY WHEN WE SEND THE AGENDA OUT TO THE COMMISSION, WE SEND EMAILS TO EVERY APPLICANT
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ENCOURAGING THEM TO COME.COMMISSIONERS, ANYBODY, UH, HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? NOBODY HAS ANY CONCERNS WITH GOING FROM GB TO GB TWO? MAYBE IT IS THAT EASY.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR POINTING OUT AT THAT, AT THE BEGINNING OF YOUR, UH, THAT, THAT WE JUST DID THE TWO LOTS TO THE, YOU KNOW, RIGHT ACROSS YEAH.
UM, AND I, AND I CERTAINLY THINK, UM, IT FITS WITH WHAT ELSE IS GOING ON DOWN THERE AND, UM, THE GB LOT TO THE LEFT ON THE PICTURE THAT STILL HAS THE SUP ON IT, RIGHT? FOR A, UM, UH, CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS PUMPS.
ALRIGHT, WELL, IF NOBODY HAS ANYTHING, THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL, WE CAN RECOMMEND APPROVAL, DENIAL, OR APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS.
WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE PLZC 2 0 2 5 0 0 9 4.
I SECOND I HAVE A, UH, MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PLZC 20 25 0 0 9 4 FROM COMMISSIONER GOLD.
A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER WALLACE.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? DISCUSSION? IF NOT, PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
WOULD YOU PUBLISH THAT? PLEASE HAVE SIX AYES.
NONE OPPOSED THAT MOTION PASSES.
[A. PLVAR20250144 Sign Waiver - Consider and act upon a request for a waiver in relation to wall signage for the Home Depot on Lot 10 Block 1 of the Schertz Station Subdivision, approximately 18.709 acres of land, located at 18541 Ripss-Kreusler Road, Schertz, Texas, 78154, more specifically known as Guadalupe County Parcel Identification Number 68313. ]
SIX, ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.WE HAVE A SINGLE ITEM, SIX A IS, UH, P-L-V-A-R 2 2 5 0 1 4 4 SIGN WAIVER.
CONSIDER AND ACT UPON A REQUEST FOR A WAIVER IN RELATION TO WALL SIGNAGE FOR THE HOME DEPOT ON LOT 10 BLOCK ONE OF THE SHIRT STATION SUBDIVISION, APPROXIMATELY 18.709 ACRES OF LAND LOCATED AT 18,541 RIPS CHRYSLER ROAD, SHEZ, TEXAS 7 8 1 5 4, MORE SPECIFICALLY KNOWN AS GUADALUPE COUNTY PARCEL IDENTIFICATION NUMBER 6 8 3 1 3.
THIS IS P-L-V-A-R 2 25 0 1 4 4 SAMUEL HASS, SENIOR PLANNER.
THIS IS OUR FIRST SIGN WAIVER REQUEST.
SO THIS IS A NEW THING AS OF JUNE 17TH, UM, ORDINANCE 25 S 0 2 4 WAS PASSED.
THAT WAS A BUNCH OF CHANGES TO OUR SIGN CODE IN ARTICLE 11, INCLUDING IN THOSE CHANGES WAS A SECTION 21 11 15, WHICH IS WAIVERS.
SO ANY, ANY APPLICANT CAN REQUEST A WAIVER FROM THE REQUIREMENTS.
AND THAT IS DECIDED ON HERE AT PLANNING AND ZONING.
SO THIS IS NOT A RECOMMENDATION, THIS IS AN ACTUAL DECISION HERE.
UM, IF THE APPLICANT IS NOT HAPPY WITH HOW YOU'VE RULED, THEY CAN'T APPEAL, THAT DOES GO TO CITY COUNCIL.
BUT ULTIMATELY THE FINAL ACTION IS STILL HERE.
SO BECAUSE OF THE CHANGES ARE SO NEW, JUST KIND OF A A REFRESHER HERE.
SO THE WAY THAT WE HAVE PREVIOUSLY TREATED WALL SIGNS IS WE GAVE 'EM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE PERMITTED A SPECIFIC WALL SIGN AND WE MEASURED IT AND WE HAD THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT.
WELL, NOW IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT FOR WALL SIGNS.
WE LOOK AT THE ENTIRE FACADE AND WE GIVE BUSINESSES AN ALLOTMENT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE.
SO FOR INSTANCE, ON INTERSTATE FARM TO MARKET ROADS, YOU GET 250 SQUARE FEET FOR A, UH, A WALL SIGN.
YOU CAN USE IT FOR ONE GIANT WALL SIGN OR YOU CAN SPLIT IT UP, HAVE LITTLE ICONS OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO, AND IT'S KIND OF UP TO YOU.
SO THAT'S HOW WE, THAT'S HOW IT WAS RECENTLY APPROVED AND CHANGED.
SO YOU'LL SEE DOWN HERE AT THE BOTTOM THERE'S TWO LITTLE REQUIREMENTS THAT I INCLUDED IN THIS ROADWAY CLASSIFICATION IS DETERMINED BY THE ADDRESS OF THE BUILDING.
AND THEN NUMBER TWO, BUILDINGS OVER 100,000 SQUARE FOOT GET AN ADDITIONAL A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET.
SO FOR INTERSTATES, YOU GET THREE 50 FOR ALL OTHER ROADS GET 200.
SO THAT BRINGS US TO HOME DEPOT.
SO IN THIS IS PART OF THE SHIRT STATION SUBDIVISION, THE LARGE MULTI MIXED USE SUBDIVISION THAT'S GOING IN ON CIBO VALLEY DRIVE AND I 35.
UH, THE R ZONE, PDD AND THE ADDRESS FOR HOME DEPOT AS, UH, OUT COMMISSIONER OUTLAW MENTIONED IS 18 5 1 RIDGE CHRYSLER.
SO, AND HOME DEPOT'S ALSO CONSTRUCTING 130,000 SQUARE FOOT, UH, FACILITY.
SO UNDER THE CURRENT CODES, HOME DEPOT WOULD BE A, IS
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CLASSIFIED BECAUSE OF THAT RIPS CHRYSLER, AS IN ALL OTHERS, YOU KNOW, I'LL GO BACK TO THAT, RIGHT? SO IT'S NOT AN INTERSTATE, IT'S NOT A FARM TO MARKET ROAD.SO THEY GET A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET OF SIGNAGE BECAUSE THEY'RE BUILDING A LARGE BUILDING OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.
THEY GET AN ADDITIONAL A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET.
SO THEY'RE ALLOWED 200 SQUARE FEET PER FACADE, THREE OUTTA FOUR FACADES.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A WAIVER TO ALLOW MORE SIGNAGE ON THE FRONT FACADE.
THEY'RE REQUESTING 580 SQUARE FEET, SO THAT'S 580 SQUARE FEET FOR THE ENTIRE FACADE.
THEY CAN SPLIT IT UP HOW THEY WANNA DO IT.
SO COUPLE CONSIDERATIONS IN THAT 2111 B, KIND OF LIKE HOW WE DO THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL FOR A LOT OF THE OTHER THINGS, THIS IS KIND OF THE SIGN WAIVERS CRITERIA OR THE, WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE CONSIDERATIONS.
SO NUMBER ONE, THE NATURE OF THE PROPOSED USE OF LAND.
SO THIS IS A LARGE, UH, EFFECTIVELY KIND OF A MIXED USE SUBDIVISION HERE.
AND YOU'LL SEE THIS IS A GRAPHIC FROM, UM, I BELIEVE, UM, FROM, I THINK IT'S MIGHT BE THE DEVELOPER'S SITE, BUT YOU CAN SEE KIND OF HOW THE ANCHOR TENANT, THIS HOME DEPOT SITE SITS BACK AWAY FROM THE I 35.
AND SO YOU'LL SEE THERE'S A BUNCH OF PAD SITES AND BUILDINGS THAT ARE GONNA BE, UM, IN FRONT AS WELL.
NUMBER TWO, THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY IN RELATION TO ROADWAY CLASSIFICATIONS.
IT'S DIFFICULT TO SEE HERE, BUT YOU'LL SEE IN THE GRAPHIC THAT THERE ARE QUITE A FEW PUBLIC ROADWAYS THAT ARE SPLITTING THIS SUBDIVISION.
YOU'LL SEE, UH, THERE'S PULLMAN DRIVE, MERIT LANE STATION ROAD AND THEN RIPS CHRYSLER AS WELL.
ALSO SLO VALLEY DRIVE AND IH 35.
EFFECTIVELY THOUGH THIS IS A REGIONAL DESTINATION CENTER ON THE CORNER OF 35 AND SLO VALLEY DRIVE.
SO THAT'S HOW STAFF IS SORT OF TREATING IT.
NUMBER THREE, THE EXISTING USES OF LAND AND VICINITY.
SO AS I MENTIONED, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S RESTAURANT RETAIL PAD SITES, THERE'S MULTIFAMILY HOUSING.
THIS IS THAT PROPOSED HOME DEPOT LOCATION AND EVO IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR AS WELL.
SOME OTHER CONSIDERATIONS AS WELL WITH THE GRANTING OF THE WAIVER.
THE, THE GRANTING OF THE WAIVER WILL NOT BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OR, SO THE STAFF HAS DETERMINED THAT IS NOT DETRIMENTAL TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND GENERAL WELFARE.
UH, AND THAT ACTUALLY HOME DEPOT ACTING AS AN ANCHOR TENANT COULD HELP DRIVE SOME OF THE COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY IN THE, TO THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
NUMBER TWO, STRICT INTERPRETATION OF THE PROVISION OF THE SECTION WOULD DEPRIVE THE APPLICANT'S OF RIGHTS COMMONLY ENJOYED IN OTHER NEARBY PROPERTIES.
SO I BRING UP EVO BECAUSE IT IS A SIMILAR LOCATION AND, UH, THROUGH THE PDD PROCESS, THEY WERE ALLOWED A 478 SQUARE FOOT SIGN.
THEY ARE TECHNICALLY FURTHER BACK AND, BUT THEY DID GET THAT APPROVED THROUGH THE PDD PROCESS AT THE TIME THERE WAS NO WAIVER PROCESS.
SO, SO THIS COMES TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
SO STAFF DOES NOT SUPPORT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR 580 SQUARE FEET.
HOWEVER, STAFF DOES SUPPORT TREATING THE HOME DEPOT AS EFFECTIVELY BEING ADDRESSED OFF OF I 35.
WE THINK THAT IS, UH, UH, A MORE APPROPRIATE IN THIS SITUATION.
SO ESSENTIALLY IF THEY ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE THAT CLASSIFICATION, THEN THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED A WALL SIGNAGE SPACE OF 350 SQUARE FEET TOTAL BECAUSE 250 FOR THE INTERSTATE PLUS THE LARGE BUILDING.
SO THEY GET AN EXTRA A HUNDRED FEET STAFF FEELS THAT THAT IS A MORE APPROPRIATE, UH, WAIVER REQUEST.
SO THIS WOULD BE ONLY FOR THE FRONT FACADE.
SO THE FACADE FACING I 35, THE OTHER TWO FACADES THAT THEY'RE ALLOWED SIGNAGE ON WOULD STILL BE THAT 200.
SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE WAIVER REQUEST WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE WALL SIGNAGE FOR THE FRONT FACADE BE INCREASED TO THREE 50 RATHER THAN FIVE 80.
AND I BELIEVE, UH, THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
UM, I'M AARON RINKY WITH KIMLEY HORN.
WE'RE THE ENGINEER ON THE PROJECT.
SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT AND ALL THE PROJECTS LEADING UP TO THIS PART OF, UH, CHURCH STATION.
UH, WE'RE HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF HOME DEPOT.
HOME DEPOT WOULD LIKE TO STICK WITH THEIR ORIGINAL REQUEST.
UM, AND THAT'S STILL THE REQUEST OF 580 FEET THEY'RE ASKING FOR.
AND, AND THAT'S BASED ON THEIR STANDARD HOME DEPOT SIGN PACKAGE THAT THEY'RE USED TO DOING AT ALL THE STORES THEY NEED.
UM, CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND WE, WE HAVE A GOOD WORKING RELATIONSHIP
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WITH STAFF.UM, CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING SAM PRESENTED IN HIS REPORT.
UM, THAT'S A CODE BASED, THAT'S A CODE BASED RECOMMENDATION.
IT'S CERTAINLY UNDERSTANDABLE.
SO WHEN YOU APPLY THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE LIMIT TO A BIG BUILDING LIKE THAT, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING LIKE 3% OF THE FACE.
UH, WELL, AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALL BEEN TO HOME DEPOT BEFORE.
THAT'S, THAT'S A BIG BUILDING AND A, A VERY SMALL AMOUNT TO PROVIDE THE SIGNAGE THEY NEED TO SHOW PEOPLE WHERE TO GO AND WHERE THE DEPARTMENTS ARE AND, YOU KNOW, STANDARD HOME DEPOT SIGNAGE.
SO A COUPLE OTHER THINGS TO CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, WHERE THIS IS LOCATED, AND HE POINTED OUT THAT THE ADDRESSING DIFFERENCE, THIS DOES FRONT ALL ON 35 AND IT'S ALSO BUFFERED ON BOTH SIDES BY COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
SO IT DOESN'T FACE ANY RESIDENCES.
IT DOESN'T FACE ANY SINGLE FAMILY USES.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY WE THINK THAT'S A, THAT'S A REASONABLE REQUEST TO STICK TO THEIR, TO THEIR STANDARD SIGN PACKAGE.
UM, SO, SO JUST GIVEN THAT THE, THE, THE LIMIT OF WHAT THE NUMBER IS APPLIED TO SUCH A BIG SQUARE FOOTAGE, THAT'S TOUGH FOR THEM TO MAKE WORK.
IT'S FACES THE, THE FREEWAY, UM, AND WE DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S DETRIMENTAL OR, UM, IT'S GONNA BE EVEN SEEN BY ANY RESIDENCES IN HERE.
UH, WE FEEL LIKE ON BEHALF OF HOME DEPOT, THAT'S, THEY WOULD STILL LIKE THAT FULL SIGN PACKAGE TO, TO PROVIDE THEIR STANDARD SIGNAGE TO THIS BUILDING TOO, LIKE, LIKE THEY'RE USED TO DOING.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE.
I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT I CAN.
UH, I AM THE CIVIL ENGINEER, SO WE USUALLY DON'T ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BUILDING, BUT I CAN, I CAN DO MY BEST.
YEAH, I WAS, I WAS REALLY EXPECTING THE REGULAR LADY THAT THAT COMES UP WHENEVER KIMLEY HORN IS ON THE AGENDA.
SO, UH, ASHLEY? ASHLEY, UH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
UH, DIDN'T CALL IN ASHLEY FOR THIS ONE, BUT, UM, UM, I ACT, ACTUALLY JUST TALKED TO HER A COUPLE DAYS AGO.
UM, BUT YEAH, GOT ME THIS TIME.
THIS IS, UM, NOT A PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF THINGS.
UM, SAM, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR RECOGNIZING THAT THIS BUILDING WHOSE BRILLIANT IDEA WAS TO ADDRESS THESE THINGS OFF OF RIPS CHRYSLER INSTEAD OF 35.
KIND OF HOW THE LOTS ARE SHAPED AND HOW THE, THE SUBDIVISION IS.
YEAH, I I, I ALWAYS WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THE ADDRESS WAS WHATEVER STREET THE BUILDING FACED, AND IT DOESN'T FACE RIPS.
BUT ANYWAY, THANK YOU FOR AT LEAST RECOGNIZING THAT.
UM, AND UM, AGAIN, FOR BRINGING UP EVO, I HAD IT ON MY LIST HERE BECAUSE, UM, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, THE DISCUSSION WITH EVO WAS HOW FAR BACK FROM THE INTERSTATE, UH, THEY WERE LOCATED, AND THAT'S WHY, UM, WE ALLOWED THE INCREASED SIGN AREA WAS TO MAKE IT VISIBLE OR MORE VISIBLE FROM THE, FROM THE INTERSTATE.
UM, I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF MORE THINGS, BUT, UH, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT TO ASK QUESTIONS? JUDY, GO AHEAD.
ARE THERE OTHER HOME DEPOTS WITH THESE TYPES OF RESTRICTIONS, OR WOULD, UH, BY CHANGING THE AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WE ALLOW IN SHIRTS, WILL IT MAKE IT, UH, LOOK DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'RE USED TO SEEING WITH HOME DEPOTS? I MEAN, IS IS THIS LIKE A ONE-OFF THAT THIS ONE'S GONNA LOOK DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH SIGNAGE? I MEAN, I KNOW YOU'RE NOT A HOME DEPOT PERSON, BUT, YOU KNOW, I, I, YEAH, I MEAN, IF YOU DON'T, YEAH, YEAH, SURE.
I, I THINK WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU GO AROUND TO THE HOME DEPOTS, WE'VE, WHICHEVER ONES WE'VE VISITED, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, THEY ALL PRETTY MUCH LOOK THE SAME AS AT LEAST AS FAR AS THE SIGNAGE AND, AND THE REPRESENTATION.
IT ALL GOES INTO MAKING SURE THE CUSTOMER KNOWS WHERE THEY'RE GOING INTO, JUST SO EVERYBODY CAN KIND OF HAVE THE SAME EXPERIENCE IN EACH ONE.
I THINK IF YOU, IF YOU CHANGE THAT, I THINK IT WOULD BE NOTICEABLE.
I THINK IT WOULD, IT WOULD LOOK DIFFERENT.
UM, NOT NECESSARILY IN A POSITIVE WAY.
UM, IT'S NOT, IT WOULDN'T BE, IT WOULDN'T BE AN ENHANCEMENT FOR IT TO LOOK DIFFERENT WITH LESS SIGNAGE.
I THINK IT MAY BE MORE CONFUSING THAN ANYTHING.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S CIVIL ENGINEER'S PERSPECTIVE.
UH, I CAN, I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHETHER OTHER HOME DEPOTS HAVE HAD THAT RESTRICTION OR NOT, BUT I'M KIND OF JUST SPEAKING MORE FROM A CITIZEN THAT GOES TO HOME DEPOT.
YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD LOOK DIFFERENT.
I FEEL LIKE AS A CONSUMER, WHEN YOU
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PULL UP TO A HOME DEPOT, THEY ALL LOOK THE SAME.YOU KNOW WHERE THE LUMBER IS, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE GARDEN CENTER IS.
AND SO WHY SHOULD THE CITY PUT A RESTRICTION ON ALLOWING THOSE, THE SAME SIGNAGE THAT YOU'RE USED TO SEEING? AND BECAUSE IT'S SO FAR OFF THE, THIS IS JUST MY OPINION, BECAUSE IT'S SO FAR OFF THE HIGHWAY, I, I THINK IT'S BENEFICIAL TO ALLOW THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE SO THEY'RE MORE VISIBLE.
AND THAT, THAT'S STAFF DEFINITELY UNDERSTOOD THAT MM-HMM
AND TOOK THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, WHICH IS WHY WE THINK THE UPSIZING TO WHAT OUR CODE SAYS WOULD BE AN INTERSTATE RIGHT.
CLASSIFICATION IS APPROPRIATE.
AND, YOU KNOW, PRIOR TO THE ARTICLE 11 UPDATES THAT WE JUST DID, IT WAS MUCH, MUCH SMALLER.
SO THE WAY THAT STAFF'S POSITION WAS, WAS, WELL, WE JUST PASSED THESE AMENDMENTS, INCREASING IT, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANTED TO GIVE PEOPLE ON THE INTERSTATE 500 SQUARE FEET OF SIGNAGE, THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD HAVE PUT THE CODE AMENDMENT FOR.
BUT WE, WE DECIDED, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WAS TOO MUCH.
AND I THINK THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF IN LINE WITH WHAT CITY COUNCIL WAS GOING WITH TOO.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE PROVIDED THE EXCEPTION FOR LARGE BUILDINGS FOR A HUNDRED OVER A HUNDRED SQUARE FOOT TO GET MORE.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, MEET APPLICANTS IN THE MIDDLE.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHERE STAFF'S POSITION IS.
THIS WOULDN'T COUNT THE MONUMENT SIGN, CORRECT? NO.
SO I, I'M A, I AGREE WITH STEPH ON IT.
I MEAN, I, I, I AGREE YOU SHOULD GET A LITTLE MORE, UM, SINCE IT IS SUCH A BIG BUILDING, BUT WE JUST PASSED THIS.
MY QUESTION ALSO IS, IF WE START DECREASING THEIR SIGNAGE, THEY DO HAVE ENTRANCE SIGNS FOR CLEARANCE FOR HEIGHT, ARE WE GONNA DECREASE THAT WHERE IT'S NO LONGER VISIBLE OR WE COULD HAVE SOME KIND OF IMPACT ON THE BUILDING? I MEAN, WHERE, WHERE DO THEY CUT THE, WHERE DO THEY CUT THEIR BRANDING OFF AND WHERE DO THEY CUT THE SAFETY ASPECT OFF? WHERE DO THEY START MAKING THOSE CUTS? YEAH.
AND THAT, AND THAT DOESN'T DIFFERENTIATE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE REQUEST FOR THE STANDARD SIGN PACKAGE IS, IT'S JUST, AND THAT, AND THAT'S THE, THE CHALLENGE WITH THE WAY THE CODE IS WRITTEN.
AND, AND IT'S INTENTIONALLY WRITTEN THAT WAY.
I MEAN, SHIRTS HAS ALWAYS HAD A VERY, UH, RESTRICTIVE SIGN ORDINANCE WITH THE INTENT THAT IT, IT SETS THE STANDARD LOW.
SO YOU, YOU CAN PROTECT THE LANDSCAPE, YOU CAN PROTECT THE, THE, THE SCENERY ALONG THE STREET.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL BEEN A BENEFIT TO THE CITY.
AND EVEN WITH THE INCREASE, UH, THE RECENT INCREASE, IT STILL REQUIRES APPLICANTS TO COME TO Y'ALL TO, TO INDIVIDUALLY CONSIDER EACH APPLICATION, WHICH IS GOOD, WHICH IS GOOD FOR THE CITY.
UM, BUT FOR SUCH A BIG BUILDING LIKE THIS, LIMITING IT TO A NUMBER INSTEAD OF A PERCENTAGES, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT THIS APPLICATION.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE, IF YOU HAVE A STANDARD RETAIL BUILDING OR A STANDARD STRIP CENTER OR A RESTAURANT, AND THE, THE LIMIT IS 350, YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S A VERY REASONABLE REQUEST.
BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A HOME DEPOT THAT'S A HUNDRED PLUS THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, LIMITING IT TO THAT SAME NUMBER IS, IS MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN A NORMAL RETAIL BUILDING.
SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT'S DIFFERENT.
BUT, UM, SPECIFIC TO YOUR QUESTION, IT'S JUST THE NUMBER OF SIGNAGE ALTOGETHER.
IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T SPLIT IT UP ON THE TYPES.
'CAUSE MY CONCERN WOULD BE THAT IF THEY'VE GOTTA CUT SIGNAGE OUT, THEY'VE GOTTA REDUCE SIZE.
IF THEY REDUCE SIZE, YOU REDUCE VISIBILITY.
AND THEN WE COULD HAVE OTHER ISSUE DOWN THE ROAD.
AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, LIFE SAFETY SIGNAGE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, EXITS AND STUFF LIKE THAT ARE NOT PART OF OUR SIGN PERMITS.
WELL, THEY DO HAVE THE ENTRANCE OF THE CLEARANCES SURE.
SO, AND THAT'S, THAT'S MY CONCERN.
IF THEY DROP THAT FONT SIZE DOWN WHERE IT'S NOT READABLE AND SOMEBODY GOES THROUGH THERE AND DOESN'T REALIZE, SO IF, IF WE DIDN'T COUNT THAT IT, THERE, THEY'RE ROUGHLY 30 TO 40 SQUARE FEET.
SO IF, IF YOU GO WITH, UM, WITH 30 SQUARE FEET, TWO OF 'EM, THAT'S, THAT WOULD REDUCE EVERYTHING BY 60 SQUARE FEET LOOKING AT THE DIAGRAMS. SO BEFORE JUDY GETS A SECOND SHOW, ANYBODY ELSE, JUDY, DID YOU WANT US TO TALK AGAIN? OR HAS THIS BEEN FLASHING AT ME AND I DIDN'T NOTICE IT? OH, YOU JUST NOTICE.
I'M NOT USED TO LOOKING OVER HERE.
SO, UM, YEAH, YOU KNOW, IT'S A HOME DEPOT, AND, AND, AND LOOKING AT THE DIAGRAM, THE ONLY THING THAT REALLY STANDS OUT WITH ME IS, IS THE HOME DEPOT, THE LUMBER, THE GARDEN CENTER, THOSE ARE RELATIVELY, AND, AND THE, THE, THE,
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WHAT IS IT, THE RENTAL SIGN SHOOT, YOU CAN BARELY SEE IT THERE ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.UM, AND, AND I'M NOT SURE, NUMBER ONE, IT SURPRISES ME THAT THAT CITY COUNCIL DELEGATED APPROVAL AUTHORITY TO THIS COMMISSION RATHER THAN RETAINING IT THEMSELVES.
UM, I'M NOT REALLY SURE, YOU KNOW, ALTHOUGH, UM, WE SAW, WE, THE, THE UDC AMENDMENT WENT THROUGH US, AND I ASSUME WE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL TO COUNCIL, BUT I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT PROBLEM THEY'RE TRYING TO SOLVE.
UM, USED TO BE A PERCENTAGE OF THE FACADE, RIGHT? A SQUARE FOOTAGE IS THAT, ISN'T THAT WHAT WE USED TO HAVE? SO THE OLD CODE WOULD BE FIF LIKE 15% OF THE FACADE OR 150 SQUARE FEET, WHICHEVER IS LESS.
SO IT WAS ACTUALLY MUCH MORE RESTRICTIVE, THE OLD CODE.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS TYPICAL OF THESE BIG BOX STORES.
UH, I MEAN, UH, YOU LOOK AT WALMART, UM, ALMOST THE SAME KIND OF THING WHERE YOU'VE GOT THE, THE STORE NAME, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT, UH, WHAT, WHAT DO WE GOT UP HERE? ONE SIDE I THINK SAYS GROCERY AND THE OTHER SIDE SAYS PHARMACY.
UM, SO, UM, BUT YOU DO HAVE TO, UM, YOU DO HAVE TO KEEP THE WORD, UM, GETTING TOO OLD FOR THIS STUFF.
WHERE'D THAT WORD GO?
YOU GOTTA KEEP THAT IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND.
UM, WHEN WE CONSIDER THINGS LIKE THIS, THAT IF, THAT, IF WE ARE TO, IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THIS ONE, UH, WHAT DO WE DO WITH THE NEXT ONE? UM, AND, UH, THAT WAS ALWAYS A BIG CONCERN WHEN I DID CODE INTERPRETATIONS AS THE FARM MARSHAL.
I ALWAYS WANTED TO MAKE SURE I HAD A VALID REASON THAT I COULD ARTICULATE AS TO WHY I APPROVED THIS ONE AND NOT THE OTHER ONE.
UM, RODERICK, YOU HAD SOMETHING I WAS JUST INTERESTED IN KNOWING, UH, WHAT'S, WHAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE REGARDING, UH, THE HOME DEPOT SIGN ITSELF, SINCE THAT REPRESENTS THE MAJORITY OF, OF SQUARE FOOTAGE.
YEAH, I THINK STAFF FEELS THAT THERE IS ROOM TO DECREASE SIGNAGE.
I MEAN, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT IT IS.
LIKE HOME DEPOT, THIS IS PROBABLY THE SAME SIGN PACKAGE THAT GOES OUT ALL OVER THE COUNTRY WHEN THEY BUILD A NEW STORE.
SO, AND NOT EVERY MUNICIPALITY HAS AS MUCH, UH, YOU KNOW, IS AS INTENTIONAL WITH THEIR SIGN PACKAGE OR AS SIGN CODES AS WE ARE, YOU KNOW, SHIRTS HAS HAD STRICTER STANDARDS FOR SIGNS FOR A LONG TIME.
AND, YOU KNOW, AS WE, AS YOU KNOW, OUR PLANNING MANAGER, EMILY, WENT THROUGH SEVERAL WORKSHOPS FOR TEMPORARY SIGNS.
YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S BEEN KIND OF A, A, A LOT OF DEBATE ON HOW TO MAKE IT MORE FLEXIBLE, MAKE IT EASIER FOR APPLICANTS, AND THIS IS THE, THESE ARE THE NUMBERS THAT WE LANDED ON.
AND SO STAFF FEELS THAT IT IS REASONABLE TO, YOU KNOW, FIND OUT, FIND HOW TO MAKE THREE 50 WORK.
I WANNA KIND OF ADD ON TO SAM'S PIECE.
THIS ISN'T JUST SIGN SPECIFIC, RIGHT? IF YOU THINK HOME DEPOT, ALL THE REST OF THE NATIONAL CHAINS, YOU THINK MCDONALD'S, CVS, THEY ALL HAVE BUILDING FOOTPRINTS THAT ARE THEIR STANDARD.
THEY HAVE LOT LAYOUTS THAT ARE THEIR STANDARD, BUT WHEN THEY COME TO SHIRTS, WE HAVE SITE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS THAT SOMETIMES REQUIRE THEM TO CHANGE, ADD ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING, ADDING BUILDING ARTICULATIONS AND ELEVATIONS IF THEY WANT TO HAVE THAT BUSINESS AND BUILDING IN SHIRTS, THEY HAVE TO MEET THE CITY OF SHIRT STANDARDS.
SO IT'S NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, HOME DEPOT ISN'T JUST BEING REQUESTED TO MEET CITY OF SHIRTS, SIGN STANDARDS.
THEY ALSO HAD TO MEET EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE UDC IN TERMS OF THEIR BUILDING FOOTPRINT, ADDING ADDITIONAL ARTICULATIONS THAT YOU MIGHT NOT SEE AT ANOTHER TYPICAL HOME DEPOT, UM, IMPROVED OR INCREASED, YOU KNOW, SCREENING AROUND THE GARDEN CENTER, DOING ADDITIONAL TREES IN THEIR PARKING LOT.
THINGS THAT, IF YOU GO TO SAY THE HOME DEPOT IN SINE, YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA SEE BECAUSE IT'S SHIRTS AS HOME DEPOT.
SO KEEP THAT IN THE BACK OF YOUR BRAIN TOO, OF, IT'S NOT JUST A DIFFERENTIATION FROM THE STANDARD HOME DEPOT FIRST SIGNS, BUT IT'S TRULY MAKING IT INCORPORATED AND HAVE THAT SHIRTS FEEL
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THAT'S, THAT'S EVIDENCED BY THOSE ELEVATIONS.I MEAN, THAT'S A, THAT'S A VERY CUSTOM HOME DEPOT ELEVATION DESIGN TO MEET ALL OF THE, THE SPECIFIC SHIRTS, ARTICULATION AND BUILDING REQUIREMENTS THAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT.
SO THERE ARE, THEY'VE ALREADY, THERE'S ALREADY BEEN A LOT OF COORDINATION WITH STAFF AND WITH THE ARCHITECTS ON MEETING ALL THOSE REQUIREMENTS, UM, THAT ARE, THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO SHIRTS.
CAN I SAY SOMETHING AGAIN? ARE YOU DONE WELL IN LOOKING AT THIS? 350 SQUARE FEET WOULDN'T EVEN ALLOW THE SIGN THAT SAYS HOME DEPOT ON THE FRONT, I MEAN, AND THEN TO GET RID OF ALL THE OTHERS.
I MEAN, THAT IS VERY RESTRICTIVE, UM, TO DO THAT.
I MEAN, ON A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, 350 SQUARE FEET FOR A SIGN, THAT'S WHAT, 30, 35 TIMES A 10 BY 35 OR, I MEAN, IT'S VERY SMALL.
SO, SO I WOULD QUESTION RIGHT BACK TO THE COMMISSION.
IF WE, IF THE COMMISSION DOES DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS AND ALLOW 580 FEET, I WOULD SAY, THEN STAFF IS GONNA COME BACK WITH ANOTHER UDC AMENDMENT.
AND IF YOU'RE ON I 35, I 10, ANY OF THOSE, UM, I 10 ROADWAYS AND YOU'RE OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET BUILDING, WE SHOULD ALLOW 580 SQUARE FEET OF SIGNAGE IF WE THINK THAT THAT IS APPROPRIATE.
SO JUST KEEP, KEEP ALL OF THESE CONSIDERATIONS.
DON'T JUST THINK IT'S JUST FOR THE HOME DEPOT.
IT'S, DO WE THINK THIS CALIBER, THIS A HUNDRED SQUARE FOOT PLUS BUILDING SHOULD HAVE ANY, REGARDLESS OF HOME DEPOT, IF IT'S ANY OTHER BUSINESS, SHOULD THEY HAVE 580 SQUARE FEET OF SIGNAGE? I DO THINK IT'S A UNIQUE BUSINESS.
IT'S GONNA BE THIS LARGE, IT COULD BE A WAREHOUSE INDUSTRIAL, SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE AS MUCH SIGNAGE.
I MEAN, I, I DO FEEL LIKE THIS IS VERY UNIQUE.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE BIG, HUGE, A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET BUILDINGS COMING POPPING UP IN SHIRTS EVERY, YOU KNOW, THAT OFTEN.
SO FOR ME, I BELIEVE THIS IS A VERY UNIQUE SITUATION.
AND I, MY OPINION AGAIN, IS TO ALLOW THEM AN EXCEPTION, YOU KNOW, WITH A WAIVER TO HAVE, UH, MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
BUT AGAIN, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA COME UP THAT OFTEN.
AND MANY TIMES WHEN YOU DO SEE A BUILDING THIS LARGE, IT'S NOT THE SAME TYPE OF BUSINESS.
IT'S NOT RETAIL, IT'S A WAREHOUSE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.
AND I KNOW IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE SIGNAGE TO DRAW PEOPLE IN.
UM, I MEAN, I DON'T, I I, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY HOME DEPOT SHOULDN'T MEET THE STANDARD WE'VE ALREADY SET, CONSIDERING THAT WE JUST WENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
I MEAN, I GET THE MAIN SIGN WILL PROBABLY BE SMALLER, BUT THERE'S NOTHING TO ME THAT SCREAMS THAT WE SHOULD IMMEDIATELY GET RID OF THE STANDARDS WE JUST SET FOR THE FIRST PERSON WHO ASKS US TO.
FOR A HOME DEPOT THAT'S LIKE DOWN THE ROAD AND INSIN AND IN BRAUNFELS, I MEAN, IT, IT, I I, I, I THINK THE VARIANCE THAT STAFF HAS PRESENTED, YEAH, YOU SHOULD GET IT, SHOULD GET A LITTLE BIT MORE.
BUT AGAIN, TO IMMEDIATELY SAY, OH YEAH, WE, WE SET THESE STANDARDS, WE'VE WORKSHOPPED THIS.
I MEAN, WE MADE CHANGES AT THE LAST P AND Z MEETING FOR THE SIGN CODE, AND THEN IT WENT TO COUNCIL.
AND I'M NOT SURE IF THEY MADE CHANGES OR THEY ACCEPTED WHAT WE HAD.
AND SO EVERYONE WAS ON THE SAME PAGE AND NETTO IMMEDIATELY SAY, LET'S JUST GO WITH SOMETHING ELSE.
I, I THINK IT'S COUNTERINTUITIVE TO THE PROCESS WE JUST WENT THROUGH.
UM, I DON'T SEE A REASON WHY HOME DEPOT CAN'T MEET WHAT WE HAVE SET.
IF YOU'VE ALREADY MET EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE'VE ALREADY STIPULATED IN THE UDC, UM, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF ROOM TO MAKE THINGS SMALLER, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, KEEP THE SAFETY SIGNAGE.
I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD SHRINK YOUR 30 SQUARE FEET.
I THINK YOU WOULD TAKE YOUR 437 SQUARE FOOT SIGN AND MAKE IT SMALLER.
YOU ALREADY HAVE A MASSIVE MONUMENT SIGN BY THE HIGHWAY.
PEOPLE ALREADY KNOW IT IS A HOME DEPOT.
I DON'T SEE HOW LOSING, I MEAN, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FIVE? I'M LIKE 150 SQUARE FEET, REALISTICALLY IS GONNA MAKE THAT BIG OF A DIFFERENCE.
I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD APPROVE IT.
I THINK IT WOULD ONLY HAVE THE HOME DEPOT SIGN.
DAVID, UM, CONSIDERATION QUESTION FOR APPLES TO APPLES.
LOWE'S, WHAT IS THEIR SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THEIR SIGNAGE? UH, I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER IN FRONT OF ME BECAUSE THEIR SIGNAGE IS, LOOKS LIKE FROM SEEING IT IS PROBABLY A LITTLE MORE ALSO, AND IF WE'RE GONNA COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES, ANOTHER BIG BOX, UM, STORE LIKE THAT WOULD
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BE BE A GOOD COMPARISON.YOU KNOW, LOWE'S, WALMART, YOU KNOW, THOSE BIG, BIG BUILDINGS THAT ARE UP ON 35, THOSE WERE ALSO, UH, BUILT, PERMITTED, CONSTRUCTED LONG, LIKE 2007.
IT WAS A WALMART AND, AND WALMART ALSO HAS A SIGNED VARIANCE.
SO I, I WAS GONNA POINT OUT THAT, UH, AND EXCUSE ME, UM, THAT, UM, THERE'S ALWAYS, EVERY TIME YOU COME UP WITH SOMETHING NEW, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU'RE ALWAYS GONNA FIND EXAMPLES, UH, THAT CAME BEFORE YOU HAD THE NEW RULE LIKE WALMART AND HEB AND, UM, LOWE'S.
SO, UM, NOW I'M STARTING TO GET BEHIND HERE.
I SEE DAVID'S LIGHT FLASHING, BUT RODERICK DID, DID, DID YOU KNOW? YEAH.
SO I WOULD JUST SAY, SO I UNDERSTAND THAT WE JUST WENT THROUGH THIS.
I ALSO KNOW THAT THERE WERE NO COMPARATIVES DONE DURING THAT MEETING, RIGHT? TO EVEN KNOW WHAT 350 SQUARE FEET WOULD LOOK LIKE ON A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.
SO WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT LEVEL OF DISCUSSION.
UH, AND FOR ME, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SIMPLY ASK, YOU KNOW, IS, AND I GET THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SHIRTS AND WE WANNA BE DIFFERENT.
IS THIS THE TYPE OF RELATIONSHIP WE WANT TO HAVE WITH BIG BOX STORES, RIGHT.
OR DO WE JUST NOT EVEN WANT 'EM IF, UH, IF THE SIGNAGE, WHICH IT DOESN'T, LOOKING AT IT, I MEAN, IT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, LOOK LIKE IT'S MUCH COMPARED TO HOW LARGE THE BUILDING IS.
SO, UH, I I, I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, GRANTING AN AN, AN EXCEPTION OR GRANTING A WAIVER TO SOMETHING THAT WE JUST APPROVED, UH, MIGHT FLY IN THE FACE OF, YOU KNOW, STANDARD PROCEDURE.
UH, BUT THOSE COMPARISONS WEREN'T MADE.
WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT LEVEL OF DISCUSSION.
I WOULD WELCOME IT NOW AND EVEN INTO THE FUTURE.
SO, AND YOU KNOW, AS MS. EMILY ARTICULATED, YOU KNOW, DO WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE A REVISION TO THE UDC TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, BUILDINGS OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, YOU KNOW, SHOULD HAVE MORE THAN, YEAH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD DISCUSS, RIGHT? BUT I THINK IT ALL GOES BACK TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE WILLING TO FALL ON OUR SWORD OVER? UH, AND I DON'T THINK THAT THIS SIGNAGE, UH, IS, IS SO HIDEOUS THAT, UH, THAT WE WANT TO DO THAT.
BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION OVER THANK YOU, CLAYTON.
I'LL MAKE ONE LAST POINT JUST ON THE, THE TOPIC OF CONTINUALLY UPDATING THE U-D-C-I-I, JUST AS SOMEONE WHO WORKS IN PLANNING, I THINK IT'S VERY INAPPROPRIATE TO CONTINUOUSLY MODIFY YOUR STANDARD DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR EVERY SINGLE PROJECT THAT COMES IN, UM, TO ADD, WELL, WE DIDN'T LIKE HOW THIS PROJECT WAS, SO WE'RE GONNA SET IT TO 300 FEET, BUT THEN THE HOME DEPOT COMES AND THEY WANT 500 FEET.
WELL, THEN WE'LL MAKE OUR STANDARD 500 FEET.
WELL, WHEN THE NEXT STORE COMES, AND THEN WHAT? 600 FEET DO WE MAKE THE STANDARD 600 FEET? WELL, WHEN THE NEXT STORE COMES, DO THEY WANT 800 FEET AND A 40 FOOT HEIGHT? OH, WELL, DO WE MAKE THAT THE STANDARD? I MEAN, I, AT THE END OF THE DAY, I, I DON'T THINK THAT IS A PROCESS THAT WE SHOULD START OR MAKE A HABIT OF CONTINUOUSLY MAKING CHANGES TO CODE.
'CAUSE THEN HOW DO YOU AS A DEVELOPER OR AS A GOVERNMENT SET A, THIS IS WHAT OUR RULE IS, WE'RE GONNA FOLLOW THIS RULE.
SO IF I WAS PLANNING TO COME, I MEAN, IF YOU'RE GONNA CHANGE YOUR RULE EVERY MEETING, JUST BECAUSE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, OH, WE DIDN'T LIKE HOW THEY HANDLED THIS.
OH, WE DIDN'T LIKE HOW THEY HANDLED THAT.
I, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S A APPROPRIATE PATH TO HANDLING THINGS, IS TO CONTINUALLY MAKE THOSE UPDATES.
WELL, I, WELL, I AGREE WITH YOU.
WE DON'T WANT TO BE CHANGING THE UDC ALL THE TIME, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO.
THAT THAT'S WHAT THE WAIVER PROCESS IS FOUR.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, I, I APPRECIATE EMILY'S INPUT, BUT IF THE COMMISSION CHOOSES TO APPROVE THIS WAIVER, NO, WE DON'T HAVE TO GO
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CHANGE AND GIVE EVERYBODY 580 SQUARE FEET.JUDY, YOU GOT ANOTHER COMMENT? I, YEAH, WELL, MY COMMENT IS, SO YOU HAVE A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT FACE ON I 35 OR AN FM ROAD, AND YOU GET 350 SQUARE FEET AND YOU'RE A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.
BUT A 30,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING OR 10,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING GETS THE SAME 350 BECAUSE THEY'RE ON 35, THEY WOULD GET 250.
WHAT WAS THE, YOU ALLOTTED AN EXTRA A HUNDRED SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR A LARGE BUILDING, BUT YOU REALIZE IT'S ONLY LIKE 10 BY 10, WHICH IS LIKE THE SIZE OF A NURSERY.
THAT'S A TEENY TINY SIGN WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT AS A HUGE, AND YOU KNOW, MY OPINION, SORRY,
YES, WE VOTED AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FOR THAT.
I DON'T THINK WE, OR I DIDN'T JUST LIKE, UH, RODERICK WAS SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SEE IT ON A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, AND THAT'S NOT USUALLY WHO'S COMING IN HERE, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED SQUARE THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT BUSINESS.
I MEAN, I THINK WE COULD HAVE AN AMENDMENT OR SOMETHING THAT ALLOWS FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE ON A BUILDING OVER 50,000 OR A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS WHAT THE WAIVER PROCESS IS FOR, TO MAKE THIS ALLOWANCE FOR THIS SITUATION.
SO I THINK STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO CONSIDER IT AS IF IT WAS ADDRESSED ON 35 IS ALREADY A SIGNIFICANT CONCESSION.
AND IN MY OPINION, WE'VE GIVEN THEM A SIGNIFICANT CONCESSION.
THEY HAVE TO LIVE WITH WHAT OUR SIGN ORDINANCES.
I'VE GOT GOT, I'VE GOT, I'VE GOT SEVERAL THINGS TO SAY HERE.
FIRST OF ALL, YES, I REALIZE THAT YOU, THAT THAT WE REVIEWED THAT UDC REQUIREMENT, WE REPRIMAND APPROVAL.
BUT HERE'S THE WAY YOU GUYS COME TO US WITH THESE UDC AMENDMENTS AND THEIR PAGES AND PAGES AND PAGES, OKAY.
AND THEY'RE RED AND RED LINES AND WORDS AND WORDS AND WORDS.
AND I, I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I DON'T THINK IT'S KIND OF LIKE CONGRESS.
I DON'T THINK WE REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE VOTING FOR SOMETIMES.
BUT THIS PARTICULAR, UH, CHANGE HAS A WAIVER PROCESS IN IT, AND IT'S THERE FOR A REASON.
NOW THAT SAID, COULD YOU, UM, PUT THE, UM, YOU GOT A DIAGRAM OF THE, THE, UM, MAYBE THAT PICTURE YOU HAD WITH THE PAD SITES AND HOME DEPOT IN THE BACK.
CAN YOU FIND THAT ONE? UM, NOW THE FACADE, YOU HAD A, YOU HAD A PICTURE SHOWING THE ACTUAL, THERE YOU GO.
SO, UM, LOOKING AT THOSE PAD SITES, UM, SO LET'S JUST TAKE THE ONE ON THE LEFT.
SO THERE'S 1, 2, 3, 4, THEY'RE, THEY'RE THINKING THEY MIGHT HAVE AS MANY AS FIVE TENANTS IN THERE.
UH, DOES EACH OF THOSE TENANTS GET 250 SQUARE FEET? CORRECT.
SO THAT TOTAL BUILDING THEN WOULD HAVE WHAT OVER? WELL, THAT'D BE 1,250 SQUARE FEET OF SIGNAGE.
AND YET THE, THE, THE, THE BIGGER BUILDING BEHIND IT WOULD ONLY GET THREE 50.
NOW, HERE'S WHAT ELSE IS COMING.
THEY'VE GOT THOSE BIG, UH, AS YOU GO NORTH ON 35, UH, BEFORE YOU GET TO SCHWAB, YOU LOOK OVER ON THE, ON THE NORTH SIDE, AND THERE'S THOSE BIG OFFICE WAREHOUSES GOING IN.
THOSE ARE INDI THOSE ARE GONNA BE INDIVIDUAL TENANTS.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE, IT'S NOT GONNA BE LIKE AMAZON IN ONE BIG BUILDING, OR, UH, WELL, I MEAN, IT COULD BE, BUT THE WAY THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT IT, THE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT INDIVIDUAL, UH, BUSINESSES.
UM, I'M SORRY, THE, YEAH, 250 SQUARE FEET FOR BEING ON, ON THE INTERSTATE.
THEY WOULDN'T GET THE EXTRA A HUNDRED.
'CAUSE THE INDIVIDUAL TENANTS AREN'T GONNA BE A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, I DON'T THINK.
BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
AND WHERE I, WHERE I WAS TALKING ABOUT SETTING PRECEDENTS, YOU KNOW, HOW
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DO YOU, UH, ALTHOUGH I, I, I COULD CLEARLY ARTICULATE WHY I THINK HOME DEPOT IS OKAY WITH 600 SQUARE FEET, UH, AND, UH, DUNKING DONUTS ISN'T.OKAY, HERE, HERE'S THE PROBLEM.
AND, AND, AND NO OFFENSE, SIR, BUT I REALLY WISH SOMEBODY WOULD'VE BEEN HERE TO TELL US IF WE LIMIT HOME DEPOT TO 350 SQUARE FEET, WHAT ARE THEY GONNA DO? SEE, WELL, AND, UH, BUT AGAIN, UM, MR. WALLACE POINTED OUT THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE A MONUMENT SIGN OUT FRONT.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE HIDING THE BUSINESS.
BUT SOME QUICK MATH HERE, IF YOU DON'T COUNT THE OVERHEAD CLEARANCE SIGNS, YOU GOT ROUGHLY, UH, 140 SQUARE FOOT SQUARE FEET OF SIGNAGE.
THE, THE, THE, UM, EXCUSE ME, THE SMALLER SIGNS.
SO IF WE, YOU KNOW, WITH 350 SQUARE FEET AND YOU TAKE THAT AWAY, THAT LEAVES 210 SQUARE FEET FOR THE MAIN SIGN.
ALTHOUGH I WOULD ASSUME THAT THEY JUST WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY'D MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO ALL OF 'EM RATHER THAN JUST ONE.
UM, JUDY, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO SAY? I SEE YOUR LIGHT BLINKING AGAIN.
UM, WE LOOK AT THE AESTHETICS OF IT ALSO, WITH THE SIGNAGE THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR THE, UM, FOR THEIR MARQUES SIGN ON THE, ON THE BUILDING ITSELF, THAT'S GONNA SKEW IT WHERE IT'S JUST, IT'S GONNA LOOK OFF AND IT'S NOT GONNA LOOK PROBABLY WHAT HOME DEPOT WANTS.
AND WE DEFINITELY WANNA HAVE SOMETHING WHERE IT JUST LOOKS LIKE WE JUST KIND OF STENCIL SOMETHING ON THE BUILDING THAT DOESN'T MATCH THE SIZE OF WHAT WE HAVE.
SO AGAIN, IT COMES BACK TO LOOKING AT OTHERS IN THE AREA.
THERE HAVE BEEN VARIANCES BEFORE.
UM, IT'S A ONE-OFF BECAUSE OF THE SIZE.
IT'S AN ANCHOR BUILDING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT A BUNCH OF SMALLER BUILDINGS IN LINE, THOSE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE A DIFFERENT OUTLOOK ON THEM THAN YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S THIS LARGE AND THIS IS, AND IT'S GONNA DRAW THIS MUCH IN.
SO IT'S JUST CONSIDERATION THAT, LOOK AT THE, THE SIGNAGE THAT HOME DEPOT IS REQUESTING IS NOT OVERLY GAUDY.
THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR LED FLASHING LIGHTS OR ANYTHING.
IT FITS THEIR PROSPECTS, AND IT FITS WITH THE CONTINUITY OF THE AREA, BASED UPON WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BE FACING, FACING 35.
IT WON'T INTERACT WITH THE HOMES BEHIND IT, AND IT'LL BE ABLE TO DRAW IN PROBABLY A LITTLE MORE ECONOMIC IMPACT OVER THE LONG TERM.
IF THIS WAIVER CAME THROUGH A YEAR FROM NOW, WOULD YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION, THE FACT THAT IT CAME IN A MONTH AFTER THE APPROVAL? IS THAT SKEWING YOUR, UH, THIS IS JUST, I'M JUST SAYING IN GENERAL, I'M NOT POINTING FINGERS AT ANYONE, BUT, YOU KNOW, IF THIS WAS A PROPOSED WAIVER IN 2026, I DON'T THINK WE'D REALLY BE HAVING THIS TYPE OF, UH, CONVERSATION OVER THIS.
SAM, COULD YOU GO BACK TO, TO THE SIGN, UM, SLIDE PLEASE? JUST SO I CAN LOOK AT IT.
WHO, WHO, WHO WANTED TO SPEAK NEXT? I MEAN, I'LL, I'LL ANSWER.
I MEAN, THE, FOR ME, IT'S WHEN LOOKING AT A VARIANCE, IT'S WHAT IS THE HARDSHIP ON THE BUSINESS? AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT IS A HARDSHIP TO ASK HOME DEPOT TO COMPLY WITH THE CODE.
AND I THINK I WOULD'VE HAD THE SAME THOUGHT PROCESS, YOU KNOW, A YEAR FROM NOW, EVEN OF IF YOU CAME IN, WHAT IS THE HARDSHIP IN MEETING THIS CODE REQUIREMENT? UM, SO, WELL, I'M STILL HUNG UP ON THE FACT THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE, UM, PAD SITE IN THE FRONT WITH, WITH FIVE TENANTS, ALTHOUGH I DON'T THINK IT'S FEASIBLE.
POTENTIALLY IT COULD HAVE 1,250 SQUARE FEET OF SIGN, ALTHOUGH I REALLY DON'T THINK THAT'S REALISTIC.
WHAT CONFIRMING, CONFIRMING WHAT? SHARE IT WITH US, SAM, OR WHAT? THAT THAT'S ACCURATE.
THE WAY THE CODE'S WRITTEN IS, ALTHOUGH AGAIN, I DON'T THINK, I
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DON'T THINK YOU COULD REALISTICALLY PUT 250 SQUARE FOOT A SIGN ON EACH ONE OF THOSE TENANTS, BUT, UM, I THINK EACH TENANT WOULD HAVE COST CONSIDERATIONS AS WELL.AND SO, WELL, AND YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE, I, DO WE HAVE ANY, WHERE DOES IT MENTION, BECAUSE I REMEMBER SEEING THE, THIS, THE, UM, THE MONUMENT SIGN WHERE IT SAID THERE WERE GONNA BE ONE OUT FRONT.
DO WE HAVE ANY, THERE'S LIKE A MAP OF IT.
'CAUSE I'VE ALWAYS MET A, I, IT'S, I, YEAH, YEAH.
THEY, THE INTENT IS TO PUT A MONUMENT SIGN.
HOPEFULLY THAT'S ON THE RIGHT DRIVEWAY.
YOU KNOW WHAT DRIVES ME CRAZY TO GO THROUGH THE FORUM, SEE A SIGN THAT SAYS, UH, KOHL'S, BUT YOU'RE WAY HELD DOWN.
YOU'RE THE WAY THE HECK DOWN BY, UH, HOBBY LOBBY AND KOHL'S IS AT THE OTHER END OF YOU.
AND JUST THAT WHOLE PLACE DRIVES ME BONKERS.
BUT I'VE NEVER BEEN A, YOU KNOW, I, I'VE ALWAYS CRITICIZED THESE, THESE, UM, THESE BIG, UM, A HUNDRED FOOT FREEWAY SIGNS THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, LIKE WALMART AND, AND THOSE KINDS OF PLACES WHEN I, WHEN I'VE BEEN TO MANY, UH, COMMUNITIES AND MUNICIPALITIES THAT DON'T ALLOW THOSE SIGNS, THEY'RE ALL MONUMENT SIGNS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE FIVE OR SIX FEET TALL, AND YET YOU STILL SEE WALMART AND HEB AND ALL THE OTHER BIG BOX PLACES.
OKAY, WELL, I WAS REALLY HOPING THIS WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT EASIER.
I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I DON'T KNOW WHICH WAY TO GO.
SO THERE'S REALLY THREE OPTIONS HERE.
YOU COULD APPROVE WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED, YOU CAN APPROVE WITH STAFF'S CONDITIONS, OR YOU CAN DENY IT.
YEAH, NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT, SAM, BUT, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS PART OF ME WANTS TO JUST, IT'S, OR NOW, CLAYTON, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD OR, WELL, I WAS GONNA OFFER YOU A MOTION SO WE COULD HANG ON A SECOND, BECAUSE ACCORDING TO THE CITY ATTORNEY, ONCE A MOTION IS MADE, YOU CAN ONLY DISCUSS THE MOTION SAYING, SO ONCE YOU MAKE A MOTION, YOU'VE CUT OFF ALL THE WHINING AND COMPLAINING FROM THE CHAIRMAN.
SO, SO SIR, SIR, BEFORE, BEFORE THAT, UM, THERE, THERE'S NO CRITICAL TIMEFRAME FOR THIS.
UM, WE'RE STILL WORKING WITH STAFF ON SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND BUILDING PERMITTING IF WE NEED TO TABLE THIS TO THE NEXT MEETING FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION, THAT, THAT, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA CAUSE ANY HEARTBURN FROM THE DEVELOPER OR HOME DEPOT EITHER.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S A FOURTH OPTION, YOU KNOW? WELL, IT, IT WOULD HELP ME A LOT.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS.
UM, I'M REALLY CURIOUS OF IF, IF WE ONLY, IF THEY'RE ONLY ALLOWED 350 SQUARE FEET, WHAT ARE THEY GONNA DO? OF COURSE THERE'S A GOOD WAY TO FIND THAT OUT IS, AND THAT'S JUST TO DENY THE WAIVER AND SEE WHAT, SEE WHAT THEY COME BACK WITH.
NOW, YOU MENTIONED THAT IF THEY DON'T LIKE OUR DECISION, IF WE ONLY, IF WE ONLY APPROVE THREE 50, THEY CAN GO TO COUNCIL, RIGHT? YEAH.
THEY CAN APPEAL THE DECISION OF P AND Z TO CITY COUNCIL.
SO, UM, NO, HERE, ONCE AGAIN, I THINK COUNCIL'S PUT US BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE.
I, I, I, I REALLY FEEL THAT WAY.
UM, WE'RE SITTING HERE TRYING TO MAKE A DECISION.
UM, NOW WHAT I STARTED TO SAY, CLAYTON, WAS I, YOU KNOW, PART OF ME WANTS TO GO WITH FIVE 80 AND PART OF ME WANTS TO GO WITH THREE 50, AND I JUST, I I I WAFFLE BACK AND FORTH.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION THAT WE CAN? ACTUALLY, JUST A REAL QUICK, IF THERE IS, IF THERE COULD BE, BE AN ALTERNATE RENDERING OF WHAT THEY WOULD LOOK AT VERSUS THE FIVE 80 VERSUS THREE 50 WE'RE ASKING FOR, SO WE CAN SEE A RENDERING OF WHAT THOSE IMAGES WOULD LOOK LIKE ON THE PROPOSED BUILDING SO WE COULD MAKE A BETTER CHOICE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, UH, CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE COULD DO.
YOU KNOW, WE COULD, UM, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S THE COMMISSION'S DESIRE, WE CAN, UH, POSTPONE THIS TO ANOTHER MEETING.
UM, AND THAT'S THE MOTION WOULD BE TO POSTPONE, UM, WHEN YOU WANT TO KICK IT INTO ANOTHER MEETING.
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I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD REALLY DO ANYTHING FOR US THOUGH.YOU KNOW, JUDY, IF WE WERE TO APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS, COULD THAT CONDITION BE BASED ON, UH, MAYBE I HATE TO DO IT CHANGING THE CODE TO, BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING? I MEAN, LIKE IF IT'S OVER 70, 75,000, WE'VE DONE THAT ALREADY.
WELL, NO, AND THAT WOULD BE A SEPARATE KIND OF ACTION.
LIKE YOU, YOU CAN'T, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO CONDITION THE APPROVAL ON CHANGING THE CODE, RIGHT? LIKE THAT.
WE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK AND DO THE WHOLE PROCESS OF CHANGING THE CODE.
SO, BUT YOU CAN GRANT A WAIVER WITH THE CONDITION AND YOU COULD MAKE, MAKE A MOTION AND PROPOSE A SEPARATE CONDITION IF YOU WANT P AND Z'S CONDITION.
SO, WELL, I, I NOT, NOT TO GIVE YOU A FIFTH OPTION AND MUDDY IT UP A BIT, BUT, YOU KNOW, NO, I, UM, NOW I FORGOT WHERE I WAS GOING.
I, I, I REALLY THINK OUR THREE OPTIONS AT THIS POINT ARE TO APPROVE, UM, THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST.
WE CAN APPROVE, UM, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO, TO, UM, FOR 350 SQUARE FEET, OR WE CAN JUST FLAT OUT, UM, DENY THE, UM, THE APPLICATION.
I, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPRO OR APPROVE P-O-V-A-R 2 0 2 5 0 1 4 4 WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND CONDITIONS.
THERE ANY FURTHER? I THINK WE KIND OF BEAT THIS ONE TO DEATH, BUT ANYBODY ELSE GOT ANYTHING? PEOPLE ALREADY VOTING? I WOULD, WOULD I, I REALLY WISH YOU'D WAIT TILL I, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
I'M NOT HEARING ANYTHING ELSE.
SO, UM, THE MOTION BEFORE THE COMMISSION IS TO APPROVE EL VR 2 25 0 1 4 4 SIGN WAIVER WITH THE LIMIT OF 350 SQUARE FEET AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
IS THAT CORRECT, GENTLEMEN? YES, SIR.
ALRIGHT, ALL, IF YOU WOULD GO AHEAD AND, UH, RECORD YOUR VOTE.
WOULD YOU PUBLISH THAT PLEASE? I HAVE THREE AYES.
OKAY, SO
AND, AND, AND BY DEFAULT THEN THE WAIVER IS DISAPPROVED.
I THINK THIS SPECIFIC MOTION FAILS AND YOU NEED TO MAKE ANOTHER MOTION.
BUT WHY ROBERTS RULES? WELL, WE DON'T FOLLOW ROBERT RULES.
ALL I KNOW IS IT TAKES THREE AFFIRMATIVE VOTES TO MOVE A MOTION TO, TO APPROVE A MOTION.
SOMEBODY, SO NOW THIS WAS TO, THIS WAS TO APPROVE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
SO SOMEBODY WANNA MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE, OR APPROVE THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST.
WE COULD TRY THAT AND SEE WHAT COMES UP.
I MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, ACCEPT AND APPROVE THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO HAVE STATED SECOND.
HANG, GIMME JUST A SECOND HERE.
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ALL RIGHT, SO NOW WE GOT, UH, HUGHES AND GOLD.AND THEIR MOTION IS TO APPROVE THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST OR PVAR 20 25 0 1 4 4 SIGN WAIVER AS REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT.
SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, I WANNA DISCUSS SOMETHING REAL QUICK BEFORE WE GO TO VOTE.
YOU DIDN'T SEE ME JUST REAL QUICK.
NOW I LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT.
OH, THAT THESE TYPES OF WAIVERS I DON'T THINK ARE GOING TO BE COMMON.
I THINK, AGAIN, THIS IS AN EXCEPTION.
IT'S A HUGE STRUCTURE AND IT IS GOING TO DRAW OTHER BUSINESSES TO THE AREA.
IF YOU HAVE THOSE SMALLER STRIPS THAT ARE ALLOWED 250 FOR THEIR FRONTAGE, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO NOT ALLOW HOME DEPOT TO HAVE MORE SIGNAGE.
I'LL JUMP IN HERE AND SAY WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE POINT OF HAVING RULES IF YOU'RE JUST GOING TO, ANYWAY.
ALRIGHT, SO ONCE AGAIN, THE CURRENT MOTION BEFORE THE COMMISSION IS TO APPROVE THE SIGN WAIVER AS REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT 580 SQUARE FEET.
SO A YES VOTE IS TO APPROVE THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST.
SO AGAIN, I'M GONNA SUGGEST THAT WHAT WE'VE JUST DONE IS DISAPPROVE THE APPLICANT'S WAIVER.
NOW HERE'S THE PROBLEM, FOLKS, WITHOUT WE DISAPPROVE THE WAIVER.
SO NOW THERE, WHICH INCLUDED THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF THE EXTRA SQUARE FOOTAGE.
SO WITHOUT THE WAIVER, THEY'RE DOWN TO WHAT, SAM? 200 SQUARE FEET.
NO, NO, BECAUSE THE ADDRESS IS RIP SQUARE FEET.
BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE ALL OTHERS, RIGHT? CORRECT.
BECAUSE THEY'RE ADDRESSED OFF OF, UM, RIPS CHRYSLER.
SO IT'D BE 200 SQUARE FEET BECAUSE THEY HAVE A HUNDRED AND THEN PLUS 100 400.
AND I WAS, SO NOW I'M SORRY, MR. OUTLAW.
I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, BECAUSE THIS ACTION ITEM IS, UM, APPEALABLE TO THE CITY COUNCIL, IF WE COULD HAVE THE THREE MEMBERS THAT VOTED NAY ON THAT LAST MOTION, IF WE COULD HAVE JUST A QUICK, THIS IS WHY I VOTED NAY FOR THE RECORD, BECAUSE CITY COUNCIL, UM, IF IT IS APPEALED, THEY MAY WANT TO KNOW THE SPECIFIC REASONING.
I KNOW Y'ALL HAVE PROVIDED A LOT OF, OF COMMUNICATION, BUT JUST A QUICK, THIS IS WHY I VOTED NAY ON THAT LAST, WELL, UNFORTUNATELY I'VE ERASED THE VOTES, SO I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T, I CAN'T TELL YOU WHO VOTED HOW I KNOW HOW I VOTED.
YEAH, THEY KNOW, THEY KNOW WHO, YEAH, WE KNOW.
SO WALLACE MCMASTER AND OUTLAW, IF THANK YOU.
I VOTED, I, NO, AND, AND AGAIN, I, YOU KNOW, A BUTTERFLY COULD HAVE KNOCKED ME OFF THE FENCE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
BUT I, I, IN THE END, I SIDED WITH, WITH COMMISSIONER WALLACE THAT, THAT WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE PROBLEM? WHY BOTHER HAVING RULES IF WE'RE JUST GONNA IGNORE 'EM? SO, WHO ELSE, COMMISSIONER? YEAH.
UM, YEAH, I, I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THERE WAS A HARDSHIP ON THE PART OF HOME DEPOT.
WE'D ALREADY GIVEN A CONCESSION.
I AGREED WITH STAFF'S OPINION THAT WE SHOULD HAVE INTERPRETED IT AS A INTERSTATE WITH THE EXTRA A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET.
BUT I DON'T FEEL THAT GRANTING A VARIANCE RIGHT AFTER GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS TO UPDATE OUR CODE AND GIVE PEOPLE MORE SIGNAGE WAS APPROPRIATE.
I AGREE WITH STAFF AND THAT'S WHY I VOTED THE WAY I VOTED.
DO WE, DO WE WANT, UH, THE REASONINGS FOR THE NAY VOTES ON THE FIRST MOTION AS WELL? JUST, JUST, JUST BECAUSE, SO IF YOU VOTED NAY ON THE FIRST MOTION, CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY? IF THAT NAY? WELL, YOU'RE, YOU
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KNOW, MY, MY THOUGHTS, DO YOU NEED ME TO SAY IT AGAIN?I FEEL LIKE THE, THIS SITUATION IS NOT GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT COMES UP OFTEN.
A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET WITH SUCH A MINIMAL AMOUNT OF SIGNAGE, I THINK IS NOT GOING TO, UM, I THINK IT'S GONNA LOOK ODD.
I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO, I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE SHOULD BE SOME CONTINUITY IN THE SIGNAGE THAT WE'RE USED TO SEEING WITH THE BUILDING OF THAT STATURE.
THAT'S KINDA THE SAME WAY I'M LOOKING AT.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE CONTINUITY BETWEEN WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
AND WITH THE BUILDING AT 130,000 SQUARE FEET, I THINK IT'LL LOOK OFF AND IT WON'T GIVE THEM THE SAME ADVERTISING.
EVEN THEY'LL HAVE, THEY'LL HAVE A MONUMENT SIGN OUT FRONT SIMILAR TO LOWE'S, HEB, AND WALMART IN THAT AREA.
I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE CONTINUITY WITH THOSE BUILDINGS BASED UPON THEIR SIZE AND BASED UPON THEIR ECONOMIC IMPACT.
AND COMMISSIONER HECTOR? YEAH, I THINK THE SIGNAGE WOULD BE INSTRUCTIVE TO, UH, THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, UH, GOING TO, UH, SHOP AT THAT LOCATION.
AND THE MAIN SIGN, UH, WOULD LOOK AND, AND FEEL VERY RESTRICTIVE, UH, JUST BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING.
AND, YOU KNOW, NOT WITHSTANDING THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE RECENTLY, UH, APPROVED THE SIGNAGE, BUT I THINK ULTIMATELY IT IS NOTHING WRONG WITH DOING WHAT MAKES SENSE.
BEFORE WE MOVE ON, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE'RE NOT DONE WITH THIS ONE YET.
I, I JUST WANT TO ASK THE COMMISSION, UM, KNOWING THAT WHERE WE'RE, WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW WITH THIS WAIVER REQUEST, THIS HOME DEPOT IS NOW LIMITED TO 200 SQUARE, 200 SQUARE FEET.
DOES THAT CHANGE ANY, WOULD THAT CHANGE ANYBODY'S MIND ON APPROVING THE 350 SQUARE FEET? IS IT WORTH RE RE-LOOKING AT THAT? OR DO WE JUST LET THIS, LET THIS TAKE ITS COURSE AND, AND I, I ASSUME YOU'LL TAKE IT TO CITY COUNCIL.
IS, I MEAN, IS THIS SOMETHING WE CAN CONTINUE? I DON'T, UM, I MEAN, I'M LOOKING CAN WE, I YOU DON'T KNOW.
WE DON'T KNOW OFFENSE TO THE CHAIRMAN.
WELL, I DON'T, AGAIN, I MEAN, IF THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN DO A CONTINUANCE, OBVIOUSLY THE SIX OF US ARE NOT GOING TO, WE'RE HUNG HERE.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO PROPOSE POSTPONE TO ANOTHER MEETING? YEAH.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, TO, TO, UH, FOR A CONTINUANCE IF WE CAN GET MORE PEOPLE FOR THE NEXT ONE.
SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THAT IS A POSTPONEMENT TO THE AUGUST AT THE DISCRETION OF THE APPLICANT.
I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THE WHY OF THAT.
LIKE, WELL, OF THE CONTINUANCE.
WELL, I, I MEAN FOR THE CONT TIME OUT, TIME OUT, I'M SORRY.
AND, AND THE WORD IS POSTPONE.
AND NO, IF WE WANT TO POSTPONE IT, WE POSTPONE IT TO AUGUST, NOT TO SOME INDEFINITE DATE, OR WE POSTPONE IT TILL SEPTEMBER, BUT I, I THINK THE MOTION TO POSTPONE NEEDS TO HAVE, UM, A FINITE DATE ON IT.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO AMEND YOUR MOTION? I CAN.
DO YOU HAVE A PREFERRED? OKAY, SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR A POSTPONEMENT TO THE AUGUST PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING.
ALRIGHT, SO I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO POSTPONE THIS ITEM TO THE AUGUST MEETING DISCUSSION.
WHAT ARE WE POSTPONING? WE'RE POSTPONING THE, I, WELL, I'M, I MOTION TO POSTPONE IT BECAUSE THE SIX OF US, I, I UNDERSTAND HOME
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DEPOT SIDE, I UNDERSTAND THE CODE SIDE.UM, I THINK IF THEY WANT TO COME BACK WITH THE ADDITIONAL EXHIBITS THAT, THAT OTHERS HAD REQUESTED, AND WITH OTHER COMMISSIONERS INSIGHT, UM, MAYBE WE CAN COME TO A BETTER ANSWER.
UM, BUT I, I DON'T THINK THAT THE 200 IS APPROPRIATE.
AND SO, I MEAN, THEIR OPTION IS EITHER WE CAN POSTPONE IT AND REVISIT IT, OR THEY COULD APPEAL IT OR BE STUCK WITH 200.
SO I, I, I THINK ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE, UM, POTENTIAL ADVANTAGES, RODERICK TO POSTPONING THIS IS THAT, UH, WE HAVE SEVEN PEOPLE.
SEE, WE RIGHT NOW, WE'VE SET OURSELVES UP FOR A TIE VOTE WITH AN EVEN NUMBER.
YOU JUST, YOU'VE, WE WE'RE SET UP FOR A TIE VOTE, WHEREAS IF WE HAVE, UH, HAVE AN ODD NUMBER, UH, MAYBE IF IT'S NOT SEVEN, IT'S FIVE, BUT YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET A TIE VOTE OUT OF AN ODD NUMBER.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT.
AND I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS NOW.
AND THE PROCESS HAS THAT WE VOTED ON IT AND IT WAS THREE THREE, AND THAT ALLOWS FOR AND AFFORDS THE APPLICANT TO, UH, APPEAL IT AND IT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL.
THAT'S THE PROCESS, RIGHT? I GUESS I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULD WANT TO OVERRULE THAT PROCESS.
UH, JUST BECAUSE IT'S CONVENIENT.
I MEAN, AND NO ONE'S WAVING ON THEIR OPINION OF WHAT WE SAW, WHAT WE DISCUSSED, AND THE PROCESS IS IN PLACE FOR A REASON.
SO JUST LIKE I HEARD SEVERAL TIMES THAT WE JUST VOTED ON THE SIGNAGE CHANGE.
SO FOR THAT REASON, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD MAKE OR PROVIDE ANY WAIVERS FOR IT.
SO, SO EARLY ON SINCE IT WAS JUST A MONTH OR SO AGO.
RIGHT? BUT THE PROCESS IS IN PLACE FOR A REASON.
SO LET THE PROCESS WORK THE WAY THE PROCESS IS DESIGNED TO WORK.
THAT'S MY OPINION, RIGHT? SO AGAIN, WE COULD POSTPONE THIS TILL THE NEXT MEETING AND HAVE AN ODD NUMBER OF PEOPLE.
AND, UM, LET'S SAY THAT, UH, THAT THAT ODD NUMBER OF COMMISSIONERS, UM, GOES WITH THE 350 SQUARE FEET.
WELL, HOME DEPOT MAY WANT TO, MAY, MAY, MAY WANT TO APPEAL THAT.
SO ALL, OR WE FLAT OUT, UM, DENY IT ALL TOGETHER AND THEY APPEAL THAT.
SO ALL WE'VE REALLY DONE BY WAITING TILL AUGUST TO, TO HASH THIS OUT AGAIN, IS LENGTHEN THE TIME THAT THEY HAVE TO GO TO COUNCIL.
WHICH FEEDS INTO MY POINT WHY CONTINUE TO KICK THAT CAN DOWN THE ROAD WHEN WE'VE ALREADY VOTED.
ANYBODY ELSE WANNA JUMP IN HERE? OKAY, SO WE HAVE A, A MOTION AND A SECOND TO POSTPONE P-L-V-A-R 20 25 0 1 4 4 SIGN WAIVER TO THE AUGUST PNZ MEETING.
SO TO BE CLEAR, A YES VOTE IS TO, IS TO LOOK AT THIS AGAIN IN AUGUST WHERE A NO VOTE WOULD, WOULD JUST LEAVE IT WHERE IT IS AND ALLOW HOME DEPOT TO DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO IN TERMS OF GOING TO CITY COUNCIL.
OKAY? SO, UM, PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
CAN YOU PO PUBLISH THAT PLEASE? WE HAVE ONE IN FAVOR AND FIVE OPPOSED.
SO WE WILL JUST LEAVE IT WHERE IT IS RIGHT NOW WITH, UH, BASICALLY, EFFECTIVELY WHAT WE'VE, UH, WHAT WE'VE DONE THIS EVENING IS, UM, IN MY MIND IS WE'VE DENIED THIS, THE, THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST AND IT'S NOW UP TO THEM IF THEY WANT TO SEEK, UH, ANOTHER AUDIENCE TO APPEAL AND TAKE THAT TO CITY COUNCIL.
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I REALLY DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD BE THAT HARD.YOU WANT TO STAND UP THERE RIGHT NOW, HUH? YOU KNOW, YOU'RE RIGHT.
[A. Workshop and Discussion on the City of Schertz Development Process- Requested by Chairman Outlaw November 6, 2024]
I AM HERE TO PRESENT A WORKSHOP ON THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS BECAUSE YOU REQUESTED ONE AFTER WE CAME BACK FROM A PA TEXAS, RIGHT? SO WE THOUGHT WE WOULD TAKE THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS TO SOME NEW COMMISSIONERS THAT WE HAVE ON THE BOARD.'CAUSE WE KNOW THAT A LOT OF THEM DON'T HAVE THE EXPERIENCE THAT YOU HAD MR. OUTLAW WITH ACTUALLY BEING PART OF THE PROCESS.
SO THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE'RE GOING.
WE'RE GONNA TAKE YOU THROUGH THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, LIKE IF YOU WERE AN APPLICANT, AND YOU WILL HAVE THE FREEDOM TO DISCUSS ANYTHING AFTER.
SO WHEN IT COMES TO THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, UH, WE ARE PRETTY TRANSPARENT WITH THESE THINGS.
WE PUT EVERYTHING ON OUR DEVELOPMENT MANUAL, WHICH IS OUR WEBSITE WHERE ALL APPLICATIONS ARE LISTED.
FLOWCHARTS ARE LISTED FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
AND WE CAN HELP PEOPLE ALL THE WAY FROM ZONE CHANGE, SUP, ALL THE WAY TO BUILDING PERMITS.
SO RAW LAND TO GOING VERTICAL AND GETTING A CFO.
UM, BUT WE ALSO HELP PEOPLE IN BETWEEN THE PROCESS.
IF THEY ALREADY HAVE A ZONE CHANGE, WE CAN HELP THEM AT PLATTING, AT SITE PLAN, WHEREVER THEY NEED.
BUT, UH, WE CAN ALSO HELP THEM WAY BEFORE THAT WITH THE FREE PRE-DEVELOPMENT MEETING.
UM, THESE ARE FREE, OTHER CITIES ACTUALLY DO CHARGE PER THE HOUR AND PER DEPARTMENT.
UH, WE HAVE PLANNING, ENGINEERING, AND FIRE IN THAT ROOM.
SO IF THERE ARE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THE NATURE OF A BUSINESS, UM, A PROPERTY, THEY WANT TO, YOU KNOW, CHOOSE OR IF THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT SET OF PROPERTIES THEY WANNA CHOOSE, WE CAN DISCUSS WITH THEM ANY CAPACITY ISSUES, UH, ACCESS ISSUES, LOCATION ISSUES, DEPENDING ON THEIR BUILDING SIDE.
IF FIRE'S GONNA HAVE SPECIAL REQUIREMENTS DUE TO OUR FIRE CODE, UM, AMENDMENTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, WE CAN SIT WITH THEM AND REALLY HASH IT OUT.
AND AGAIN, UM, WE CAN HELP THEM AT ANY, ANY TIME THROUGH THE PROCESS.
SO IF THIS IS BEFORE THEY'RE PURCHASING A PROPERTY, AFTER THEY HAVE PURCHASED IT, UM, AFTER A ZONE CHANGE, THEY HAVE THEIR ZONING, THEY COME IN, THEY HAVE THEIR SITE, THEIR SITE PLAN, AND THEY WANNA DISCUSS THAT WITH US.
UM, WE'RE HERE TO HELP THEM AT EVERY STEP OF THE WAY.
SO WHEN IT COMES TO THE ZONE CHANGE IN SUP PROCESS, UH, THEY SUBMIT THEIR DOCUMENTS AND STAFF CHECKS ALL THOSE SUBMITTAL ITEMS. THIS IS USUALLY PLANNING STAFF SINCE WE'RE THE ONES THAT KIND OF ACT AS THAT PROJECT MANAGER.
AND THEN FROM THERE, IF WE HAVE ALL THE DOCUMENTS AS ARE LISTED IN OUR ZONING CHECKLIST OR SUP CHECKLIST AND OUR PDD UH, SUB CHECKLIST THAT HAS EVEN MORE REQUIREMENTS, IT'LL GO, UM, IT'LL BE INTAKE.
AND FROM THOSE DOCUMENTS, FIRE ENGINEERING PLANNING, JBSA, EVEN AS YOU HAVE SEEN TONIGHT WHEN SOMETHING'S IN THE APZ TWO, WE NEED THEIR AFFIRMATIVE RECOMMENDATION.
UH, AND WE EVEN SENT IT TO THE CHIEFS AS WELL TO KIND OF LOOK AT, OKAY, WHAT ARE THESE DOCUMENTS? WHAT EFFECT DOES IT HAVE, UM, IN OUR COMMUNITY? AND GO FROM THERE.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS OUR TA DETERMINATION FORM.
AS YOU'VE SEEN WITH NEW POLICY FROM COUNCIL ENGINEERING, KIND OF LOOKS AT THAT TRAFFIC CHANGE, MAKING DETERMINATIONS OF YES, UM, THERE IS GONNA BE AN IMPACT AND IT IS MITIGATABLE, UM, OR JUST GOING FROM THERE.
BUT ALSO WE'LL LOOK AT EXHIBITS, THE MEETS AND BOUNDS AND THE LETTER OF INTENT.
AND THEN BEFORE IT COMES TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, WE DO HAVE TO SEND MAILERS 10 DAYS, UH, BEFORE THE HEARING PER STATE LAW.
SO THAT'S WHEN WE SEND OUT THOSE BEAUTIFUL LETTERS TO EVERYONE WITHIN 200 FEET.
AND PEOPLE GO, WHAT IS THIS? WHAT IS GOING ON? UM, AND WE START FIELDING IN THOSE CALLS, GETTING THOSE LETTERS BACK WITH, YOU KNOW, OBJECTIONS, NEUTRALS, AND IN FAVORS.
UM, WE, THIS IS ALSO WHEN WE HAVE THE APPLICANT'S POST YOUR BEAUTIFUL YELLOW NOTICE SIGN THAT IS REQUIRED PER US.
UM, THIS IS ACTUALLY THE ONE OFF OF TONIGHT'S ZONE CHANGE.
UH, ALONG MASKY, UH, ALL ACTIVE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES ARE ALSO POSTED ON OUR WHAT'S DEVELOPING INSURED'S WEBSITE.
THIS IS UPDATED AFTER PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION BEFORE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND BEFORE COUNCIL.
SO PEOPLE CAN FOLLOW THE HEARINGS, UM, AS THEY GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND THEY CAN SEE WHEN THEY'RE APPROVED OR IF THEY'RE FAILED.
AND THEN, UM, IT'S ALSO POSTED ON OUR PUBLIC NOTICES WEBPAGE, AND ALL DOCUMENTS ARE LINKED THERE AS WELL.
SO IT'S PRETTY TRANSPARENT TO THE PUBLIC, UM, AND EVERYONE.
AND THEN WE ALSO SEND IT TO THE CHIEFS.
SO WE SEND IT TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, EMS AND FIRE TO SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY MAJOR CONCERNS.
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SOMETHING THAT WE ENTER IN OUR, UH, STAFF REPORT AND IN OUR PRESENTATION TO YOU ALL AS WELL.AND THEN, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO YOU, WE PRESENT OUR STAFF REPORT.
YOU SEE IT CONDENSED INTO A PRESENTATION.
THIS IS WHERE WE, WE MAKE THOSE CONSIDERATIONS OF THE MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLAN WITH ENGINEERING'S GUIDANCE, THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, ADJACENT LAND USES AND ZONING.
A LOT OF OUR CRITERIA IS REALLY HONED IN ON THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN, THE STRATEGIC PLAN, ANY PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN.
UH, WE ALSO LOOK AT THE PROTESTS THAT ARE COMING IN.
WHAT ARE PEOPLE SAYING? WHAT ARE THEIR MAJOR CONCERNS? BUT ALSO THE ALLOWED USES THAT ARE WITHIN THAT ZONING DISTRICT.
AND AGAIN, AS WE ALWAYS REITERATE, WHEN A ZONING CHANGE 'CAUSE BEFORE US, THAT IT'S NOT JUST WHAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING, BUT IT'S ALL THOSE ALLOWED USES WITHIN THAT ZONING DISTRICT.
AND AGAIN, I KNOW A LOT OF TIMES IT'S QUITE DIFFICULT BECAUSE THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE TIME, WE HAVE TO LOOK TOWARDS THE FUTURE.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT, OKAY, AFTER THE MASTER THOROUGH FLOOR PLAN ROADS ARE BUILT OUT, HOW IS THIS ALL GONNA PLAY TOGETHER? HOW ARE ALL THE PUZZLE PIECES OF THE CITY GONNA FIT TOGETHER FOR THE SEP ONE OF THE UNIQUE, UH, CONSIDERATIONS THAT IS PART OF THE CRITERIA IS THAT CHARACTER AND INTEGRITY.
AND THAT'S JUST BECAUSE THE SEP IS FOR SPECIFIC USE.
SO, UH, PNZ DOES HAVE THE DISCRETION TO MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.
AND THEN CITY COUNCIL HAS THE ULTIMATE DISCRETION TO MAKE A DECISION ON ALLOWING THAT USE WITHIN THAT ZONING DISTRICT IN THAT SPECIFIC PARCEL.
SO AFTER THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION MAKES A RECOMMENDATION.
UH, WE HAVE TO POST IN THE NEWSPAPER 15 DAYS PRIOR PER STATE LAW.
WE USUALLY DO IT ABOUT TWO FRIDAYS BEFORE, SO IT'S POSTED ONCE AGAIN AND AGAIN, IT'S ON THE NEWSPAPER, AND THEN IT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL.
AND CITY COUNCIL WILL EITHER APPROVE OR DENY THE ORDINANCE THAT'S PRESENTED TO THEM.
AND, UM, YOU ALREADY KNOW THAT IF THEY'RE TRYING TO REAPPLY FOR THE SAME ZONE CHANGE, THEY HAVE TO WAIT AT LEAST SIX MONTHS.
BUT IF IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT, THEN THEY CAN DO IT THE NEXT DAY.
SO IF THEY HAVE THEIR ZONING ALREADY, OR UM, THEY GET THEIR ZONING APPROVED, THEY GO THROUGH THE PLATTING PROCESS.
THE PRELIMINARY PLATTING STAGE IS MORE, IF THEY'RE STARTING FROM GROUND ZERO.
UM, IT'S NOT A SIMPLE TYPE OF PLA THAT CAN BE DONE, OR IF IT'S MULTIPLE PARCELS THAT ARE OWNED BY THE SAME, UH, PEOPLE.
AND THE ONLY ONE, A FINAL A PLAT PORTION BY PORTION OR UNIT PER UNIT.
AND AGAIN, WE HAVE THIS ONLINE FOR EVERYONE.
THEY'RE ABLE TO GO THROUGH IT.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS, UM, AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT OUR WEBSITE ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE.
PEOPLE HAVE THIS AT THEIR FINGERTIPS.
THEY CAN SEE, UM, WHAT THE COSTS ARE GONNA BE FOR EACH STEP IN THE PROCESS.
AND IT'S PRETTY TRANSPARENT FOR THEM.
AND THROUGHOUT THE PLANNING PROCESS, WE HAVE ENGINEERING, FIRE PLANNING PARKS, T-O-J-B-S-A AND EASEMENT HOLDERS AND UTILITY PROVIDERS BEING A PART OF THIS.
IS, THIS IS, THIS IS REALLY AN INTER DEPARTMENTAL, UH, WORK THAT GOES TO ACTUALLY GETTING THESE PLATS APPROVED.
IT ISN'T JUST RUSH, IT TAKES A LONG TIME.
UM, JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE TO WORK WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE.
UM, FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT NOW, TEXT DO THEIR MINIMUM TIMEFRAME IS SIX TO NINE MONTHS JUST TO GET PEOPLE ANSWERS.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S A QUICK TURNAROUND ON THEIR PART.
SO PLATTING, UM, WHEN WE LOOK AT PLAT EXHIBITS, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE STREETS, MAKING SURE IT MEETS MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS, PROPOSED ACCESS POINTS.
SO THIS IS WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT.
OKAY, UM, ARE THE STOUTS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING APPROPRIATE, UM, FOR FIRE, ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT THEY CONSIDER IS DEAD END STREETS.
AND LOOKING IF THAT DEAD END STREET IS TOO LONG, OR IF IT'S SHORT OR WHAT'S GOING ON, IF THERE'S GONNA BE ENOUGH TURNAROUND FOR A FIRE TRUCK.
UH, STAFF DOES LOOK AT ZONING IN THE MINIMUM LOT DIMENSIONS.
SO AGAIN, KIND OF HOW WE MENTIONED THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE CAN COME IN FOR R TWO, BUT THAT IS JUST THE MINIMUM.
IF THEY WANNA GO ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT TO SELL BIGGER LOTS, THEY'RE NOT FORCED TO ASK FOR RA ZONING.
UH, R TWO CAN BE THEIR MINIMUM AND THEY CAN GO BIGGER THAN THAT IF THEY'D LIKE.
UH, WE DO LOOK AT THE PLATE NOTES, MAKE MAKING SURE EVERYTHING IS GOOD.
ALSO OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS, MAKING SURE THAT THEY HAVE THEIR PRIVATE OPEN SPACE.
ALSO, IF THEY'RE GONNA DEDICATE LAND TO US, WHAT'S GONNA BE BUILT IN THOSE.
AND ALSO THE MASTER PARKS PLAN.
WE DO HAVE SOME LARGER TRAIL SYSTEMS, UM, AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF THERE'S PARCELS THAT ARE A PART OF THAT, THAT THAT CAN BE INCLUDED.
UM, AND THEN ENGINEERING HAS ALL THE FUN STUFF WHEN IT COMES TO GEOTECHNICAL REPORT, THE ACTUAL TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, UM, THIS IS WHERE THEY CAN REVIEW, OKAY, WHAT ARE THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT, UH, DEVELOPERS ARE ACTUALLY GONNA HAVE TO DO WHERE IT'S, YOU KNOW, RIGHT TURN ONLY, WHERE THEY HAVE TO HAVE DESAL LANES.
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UM, HOW MUCH OF THE STREET DO THEY ACTUALLY HAVE TO BUILD OUT IF THEY ONLY HAVE TO DO, YOU KNOW, THE HALF OR IF THEY HAVE TO DO THE FULL.THIS IS ALSO WHERE THEY START DISCUSSING ROUGH PROPORTIONALITY WITH THIS, AS, YOU KNOW, DUE TO, UM, WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE LEGISLATURE, WE'RE VERY RESTRICTED ON WHAT WE CAN ACTUALLY REQUIRE PEOPLE TO DO OR NOT.
SO WE HAVE TO WORK WITHIN THOSE LIMITS.
UM, BUT ALSO WATER AND WASTEWATER.
SO THIS IS WHERE CAPACITY COMES INTO QUESTION, OKAY, WHERE ARE YOU TRYING TO SEND YOUR WASTEWATER? WHERE ARE YOU GONNA CONNECT TO WATER? MAKING SURE THAT WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, WE ACTUALLY HAVE CAPACITY FOR THAT AND WE CAN EXPECT, YOU KNOW, THAT LOAD INTO OUR SYSTEM.
AND THEN AGAIN, CERTIFICATION.
THIS IS WHERE WE DO ALL THE TECHNICAL REVIEW.
ONCE AGAIN, IT HAS ITS OWN CHECKLIST.
SO APPLICANTS KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
WE ALSO HAVE THE TECHNICAL CHECKLIST, WHICH MAKES IT VERY CLEAR WHAT STAFF IS LOOKING FOR, AND THEY CAN USE THIS TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.
THE PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY USE THESE CHECKLISTS ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE MUCH LESS ROUNDS OF REVIEW, AND IT'S, AND THE PROCESS IS ACTUALLY MUCH SMOOTHER FOR THEM AND EASIER FOR THEM.
AND AS YOU KNOW, UM, IT CAN GO THROUGH MULTIPLE CYCLES BEFORE IT IS CERTIFIED.
IT DEPENDS ON THE APPLICANT RESPONSE AND THE NUMBER OF REVIEW CYCLES.
SOMETIMES THEY RESUBMIT SOMETHING AND THEY ONLY RUN A RESPOND TO PLANNING'S COMMENTS AND NOT ENGINEERING'S COMMENTS.
SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO RUN INTO AFTER THE CERTIFIED, IT GOES THROUGH THE FORMAL PROCESS.
UM, THIS IS WHERE THEY SUBMIT ALL THE DOCUMENTS, UM, COME IN, THEY SHOULD BE CERTIFIED.
IT'S ESSENTIALLY ALMOST A FORMALITY.
UH, WE ASSESS THE FEES AND O FEE IS PAID DURING CERTIFICATION, BUT DURING FORMAL IT IS, WE RECEIVE ALL THE SAME DOCUMENTS.
THEY CAN GET APPROVAL, UM, WITHIN TWO BUSINESS WEEKS, AS I SAY, JUST BECAUSE IT IS ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL.
BUT IF IT DOES REQUIRE A WAIVER FOR THE, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION THAT IT'S IN MINIMUM 30 DAY REVIEW CYCLE.
JUST DEPENDS DEPENDING ON HOW THAT LINES UP.
BUT TYPICALLY WE HAVE IT LINED UP WITHIN LIKE 20 DAYS.
UM, AND THIS IS WHERE YOU ALL WILL SEE, UH, SOMEONE IS ASKING FOR ONSITE SEPTIC OR, UM, SOMEONE ONLY HAS ACCESS TO FRONTAGE THROUGH AN EASEMENT, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, AND THEN AFTER THEY GET THEIR PRELIMINARY PLA CERTIFIED AND THEY GO THROUGH THE PRELIMINARY PLATFORM APPLICATION, THIS IS WHERE ENGINEERING WANTS THEIR PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE PERMIT.
IT USUALLY GOES THIS WAY JUST BECAUSE, UM, IN THE CITY OF CHURCHS, IF YOU PRELIMINARY PLAT AND YOU OWN MULTIPLE LOTS, BUT YOU PLAN TO FIND A PLOT IN PIECES.
SO THINK OF SADDLEBROOK, IT'S A, IT'S A VERY LARGE DEVELOPMENT, BUT THEY'RE GONNA FIND A PLANT IN UNITS.
YOU KNOW, AS THE YEARS GO ON, IT'S GONNA TAKE MULTIPLE YEARS TO FINALLY BUILD OUT.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S REQUIRED IS GONNA SUPPORT, UM, THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT AND NOT JUST PIECE BY PIECE AND KIND OF BANDAID EACH STEP OF THE PROCESS.
SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S ALL IN PLACE BEFORE, AND THEN THEY START THE CERTIFICATION PROCESS FOR THE FINAL PLAN.
AGAIN, IT'S THE SAME ITEMS. IT, THE DOCUMENTS ARE ONLY GONNA LOOK DIFFERENT IF THEY FINAL PLOT AND PIECES.
SO IF THEY HAVE SIX UNITS ON THE PRELIMINARY PLA AND THEY GO UNIT BY UNIT ON THE FINAL PLAT.
SO AGAIN, UM, TIMING DEPENDS ON THE APPLICANT'S RESPONSE.
AND THEN THEY GO THROUGH FORMAL.
THIS IS A LOT OF TIMES WHERE YOU SEE FOR COMMERCIAL PEOPLE COME IN, THEY ASK FOR ONSITE SEPTIC WAIVERS JUST FOR A TEMPORARY, UH, TIME PERIOD.
SO THINK OF ID NOT, IDV THINK OF STX THREE O.
THEY'RE IN THAT, UM, BIG AGREEMENT WITH EDC TO BUILD THE WASTEWATER, UM, OVER A VERY LONG, UH, DISTANCE.
SO THEY ASK FOR AN NON ONSITE SEPTIC FOR A TEMPORARY PERIOD OF TIME.
AND AGAIN, UH, THIS CAN BE ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED AND IT CAN GO TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DEPENDING IF THERE'S A WAIVER.
UM, AND AGAIN, THE TIME PERIOD IS THE SAME.
AND ONCE EVERYTHING IS DONE, IF ALL THEIR IMPROVEMENTS ARE INSTALLED, INSPECTED, AND ACCEPTED BY OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, THEN THEY HAVE THE PLEASURE TO GIVE US ALL THE DOCUMENTS SO WE CAN RUN TO THE COUNTY FOR THEM TO GO RECORD.
SO THERE ARE OTHER DIFFERENT TYPES OF PLOTS.
WE HAVE MINOR PLAT REPLANT AND MANY PLOT.
UM, IT'S VERY SPECIFIC ON WHAT CAN BE DONE ON EACH ONE.
THESE PROCESSES ARE MUCH SHORTER JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE SMALLER TYPES OF PLOTS.
UM, LESS WORK OR MUCH SIMPLER.
UM, AND IF YOU'RE DOING MINOR PLAT REPLANT AND MANY PLA YOU CAN DO THE SIDE PLAN AT THE SAME TIME.
BUT AFTER PLAT RECOMMENDATION FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS IN MULTI-FAMILY, THEY GO THROUGH THE SITE PLAN PROCESS.
UH, WE ONLY SEE THIS FOR RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS IF THEY'RE DOING AN AMENITY CENTER.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, SADDLEBROOK, IF THEY'RE DOING AN AMENITY CENTER, UH, THEY'LL SUBMIT A SITE PLAN FOR THAT.
SO WE CAN SEE THAT, MAKE SURE IT MEETS ALL OF OUR REQUIREMENTS.
BUT FOR RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS, UM, AFTER THEY GO THROUGH THE PLANNING PROCESS AND EVERYTHING'S INSTALLED, THEY GO STRAIGHT TO RESIDENTIAL BUILDING PERMITS.
UM, SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT SITE PLAN PROCESS FOR, UM, ALL THE HO HOMES.
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THE SITE PLAN PROCESS IS BASICALLY THE SAME AS A PRELIMINARY PLAN WHERE WE HAVE THE CERTIFICATION, WHERE WE DO ALL THE TECHNICAL REVIEW.EVERYTHING IS ALL ONLINE AND AVAILABLE TO THEM.
THESE ARE THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE'RE ALL LOOKING AT.
THE SITE PLAN, EXHIBIT, LANDSCAPE PLAN, TREE MITIGATION, EXTERIOR ARCHITECTURAL ELEVATIONS, ENGINEERING AND FIRE DOCUMENTS.
SO THE SITE PLAN IS WHERE WE GET TO ALL THE FUN STUFF.
WE LOOK AT ACCESS, WE LOOK AT ALL THE SITE DI DESIGN CRITERIA.
WE REFERENCE THE PLAT FOR EASEMENTS.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF, WE ARE NON ACCESSING EASEMENTS ALONG LIKE TEXTILE RIGHT AWAY.
WE LOOK AT THE BUFFERS FOR ZONING, WE LOOK AT THE SETBACKS FOR ZONING.
THIS IS WHERE WE GO, OKAY, IS IT COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL NEXT TO EACH OTHER, WE'RE GONNA REQUIRE AN ADDITIONAL, UH, 20 FOOT BUILDING SETBACK.
WE LOOK AT BUILDING HEIGHT, WE LOOK AT THE LAND USE, WE LOOK AT IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE, AND WE LOOK AT SCREENING, BUT WE ALSO LOOK AT PARKING RATIOS AND SIZES.
AND THEN WE ALSO LOOK AT LANDSCAPING WITHIN THE SITE PLAN.
AND THEN WE GET OUR LANDSCAPE PLANS IN.
WE LOOK AT THAT IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE THAT'S REQUIRED PER ZONING.
WE LOOK AT THOSE MINIMUM LANDSCAPE BUFFERS.
AGAIN, THE TREE PLANTING AND THE TREE SPECIES.
WE ALSO DO LOOK AT TREE MITIGATION.
UH, WE LOOK IF THEY'RE MEETING OUR MINIMUM PRESERVATION REQUIREMENTS, WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO REMOVE, IF THERE'S ANY WAY WE CAN, UH, GET THE LARGER TREES TO BE SAVED INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, SAVING SOME TRASH TREES.
WE LOOK AT TRASH SPECIES AND ALTHOUGH WE CAN'T, UM, REGULATE BUILDING MATERIAL, WE DO HAVE REQUIRED ARTICULATIONS.
JUST, JUST THE SHAPE AND FUEL OF THE BUILDING.
SO VERTICAL CHANGES, HORIZONTAL CHANGES TO THAT BUILDING.
AND THEN ENGINEERING HAS THE PLEASURE OF LOOKING AT STORM WATER ACCESS AND PREVIOUS COVERAGE, PROPOSED UTILITIES AND REPORTS.
SO THEY HAVE THE PLEASURE OF WORKING WITH TDOT.
UM, A LOT OF TIMES WHEN IT'S ACCESS.
SO THINK OF THIS IS, UM, OUR BIG LEAGUE CAR WASH THAT'S COMING ALONG I 35.
THEY HAD TO WORK WITH TDOT ON THAT FIRE.
WE SEE THINGS LIKE FIRE PLANS, UM, WHERE THEY MIGHT SUBMIT IT SEPARATELY.
THEY SHOW ALL THE FDC LOCATIONS AS A FIRE LANES, FIRE HYDRANT LOCATIONS.
AND AGAIN, THIS CAN GO THROUGH MULTIPLE CYCLES DEPENDING ON THE APPLICANT'S RESPONSE.
AND THEN AFTER IT'S CERTIFIED, THEY SUBMIT THE FORMAL APPLICATION, WHICH HAS ITS OWN FEE.
UM, THIS IS WHERE THE FEE IS ASSESSED.
AND AFTER THEY GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS, UM, IT IS A MINIMUM 30 DAY PER OUR UDC, BUT IF IT'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL, IT'S TWO WEEKS OR LESS.
UM, BUT WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO FORWARD, UH, SITE PLANS TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND ALSO IF A WAIVER IS REQUIRED.
WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT HAPPEN RECENTLY.
UM, BUT TYPICALLY PEOPLE TRY TO AVOID THAT BECAUSE THEY WANNA EXPEDITE THE PROCESS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
AND, UH, AFTER THEY GET THEIR SITE PLAN APPROVED, THEY CAN GO STRAIGHT TO BUILDING PERMITS AFTER THAT, IT'S THE DOMINO START, JUST START FALLING DOWN.
UM, AND IT GOES PRETTY QUICKLY.
UM, BUT THAT'S BASICALLY THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS IN A QUICK NUTSHELL.
THERE'S MUCH MORE I COULD HAVE ADDED, BUT FEEL FREE TO DISCUSS.
UM, I'M GONNA START BECAUSE I ASKED FOR THIS.
UM, AND, UM, CERTAINLY I I HOPE THIS WAS, UH, HELPFUL FOR OUR NEWER MEMBERS THAT MAYBE WEREN'T AWARE OF, UH, THE PROCESS ITSELF.
UM, REALLY WHAT I WANTED TO DISCUSS TONIGHT WAS THE FACT THAT, UM, NOBODY, NOBODY SITS IN THE AUDIENCE AND THROWS ROCKS AT US AT THE SITE PLAN PROCESS.
NOBODY SITS IN THE AUDIENCE AND THROWS ROCKS AT US IN THE PLANNING PROCESS.
IT'S ALL IN THE ZONE CHANGE REQUESTS.
OKAY? AND THEY ASK QUESTIONS LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE THREE BIGGIES THAT ALWAYS COME UP ARE TRAFFIC, PUBLIC SAFETY, AND POSSIBLE FLOODING.
AND THEN I'VE GOT ONE HERE AFTER TRAFFIC, I SAID INFRASTRUCTURE.
NOW, I, I'VE, I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU AND I APOLOGIZE, I NEVER NOTICED THAT YOU WERE DOING THE PRELIMINARY TIA, UH, UNTIL I UNTIL LAST MONTH'S AGENDA.
SO IS THAT SOMETHING RELATIVELY NEW WHERE YOU'VE BEEN INSERTING THAT IN THE, IN YOUR, IN YOUR, UM, IN THE MEMO? SO I WOULD SAY THAT IS RELATIVELY NEW.
WE'VE, UM, TAKEN THE FEEDBACK BECAUSE AS YOU SAY, YOU ALL ARE GETTING THE ROCKS THROWN AT YOU, BUT RIGHT, WE'RE HEARING ALL OF THAT AS WELL.
SO THAT IS A CHANGE THAT STAFF MADE TO START REQUIRING THOSE PRELIMINARY TIAS.
IT IS A BIG EXPENSE FOR THE APPLICANT, UM, IN SOME SITUATIONS.
BUT THAT FULL PRELIMINARY TIA GETS REVIEWED BY JOHN NOAC AND OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, AND HE WRITES US A FORMAL RESPONSE THAT GETS
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PUT INTO THE STAFF REPORT.AND THEN THE OTHER MORE RECENT CHANGE IS, UM, WELL, I WOULDN'T SAY RECENT, IT'S BEEN A LITTLE LONGER, BUT SENDING IT TO, UH, EMS POLICE AND FIRE CHIEFS TO GET THEIR INPUT TO TRY TO TACKLE SOME OF THE EMERGENCY SERVICES QUESTIONS AS WELL, THAT WE GET A LOT.
THEY EITHER HAVE A CONCERN, DON'T HAVE A CONCERN, AND WE PUT THOSE RESPONSES IN THE STAFF REPORT NOW TOO.
SO IT IS A, IT, THEY'RE BOTH MORE FAIRLY RECENT.
TIA MUCH MORE RECENT THAN THE CHIEF'S EMAIL.
UM, BUT BOTH OF THOSE WERE BASED OFF OF THE QUESTIONS AND AND CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE.
AND I WILL SAY IF WE HAVE A PROPERTY THAT WE KNOW IS IN A DRAINAGE WAY THAT IS A HOT BUTTON TOPIC OR IS IN A FLOOD PLAIN, WE'RE DOING THE SAME THING.
WE'RE REACHING OUT TO ENGINEERING AND GETTING A MORE FORMAL RESPONSE FROM THEM ON HOW THOSE ITEMS COULD BE ADDRESSED.
SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT BOTH IN OUR PRESENTATION AND IT'S AVAILABLE FOR PNZ COUNCIL AND THE RESIDENTS AND THE STAFF REPORT.
WELL, THANK YOU EMILY, THAT, THAT'S PART OF WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR WAS HAVING SOME OF THESE ANSWERS EARLIER IN THE PROCESS.
UM, OF COURSE ON A, I NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO SAY THIS SO I'M NOT SOUNDING INSENSITIVE.
BUT WELL, I UNDERSTAND TRAFFIC AND I, I THINK I, YOU, YOU HEARD ME RANT LAST MONTH ABOUT HOW I'M JUST FED UP WITH, YOU KNOW, HOW IT TOOK ME AN HOUR TO GO 35 TO UNIVERSAL CITY IN ALMOST 30 MINUTES TO COME BACK BECAUSE AVIATION WAS ALL BACKED UP.
AND, AND I'M GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE I'M STARTING TO
UM, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY COMMERCIAL, NOBODY REALLY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THEY, THEY DON'T TURN OUT IN DROVES FOR THAT.
BUT, BUT THE WHOLE, WHAT I WAS REALLY AFTER WITH THIS PRESENTATION WAS, IS THERE ANYTHING, UM, THAT WE CAN MOVE INTO THE P AND Z PROCESS TO PROVIDE ANSWERS EARLIER IN THE PROCESS? AND I THINK YOU'VE DONE THAT WITH THE, UH, THE PRELIMINARY TIA, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, PUBLIC SAFETY RESPONSE TIME.
WELL, I SAT HERE AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HEARD 'EM GO BY EARLIER IN THE MEETING, BUT I COUNTED SEVEN POLICE CARS, A FIRE TRUCK, AND AN AMBULANCE GO BY TO, WELL, THOSE POLICE CARS ALL MUST HAVE BEEN SITTING OVER HERE AT THE STATION, NOT OUT.
YOU KNOW, OF COURSE THERE COULD HAVE BEEN SHIFT CHANGE TOO.
I I DON'T KNOW WHAT TIME THEY DO THAT, BUT PEOPLE'S CONCERNS ARE ALWAYS, UM, DEPENDING ON WHAT WE'RE REZONING, THEY, THEY ALSO LIKE TO BRING UP THE MORE CRIME.
UM, SO YEAH, IT'S, UH, I'M GLAD YOU GET FIRE POLICE AND EMS INVOLVED.
UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IF WE COULD GET A, A BETTER COMMENT, SAY FROM THE POLICE CHIEF THAT SAYS, WE DON'T SEE THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE ALREADY COVERED THIS AREA.
WE DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH INCREASED RESPONSE TIMES, OR, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY SAY NOW IS THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS.
SO, AND MAYBE THAT SHOULD BE GOOD ENOUGH.
UM, I ACTUALLY HAVE SPOKEN TO THE POLICE CHIEF ABOUT ESSENTIALLY HOW THEY ADD MORE PEOPLE TO THE POLICE FORCE WHEN IT COMES TO RESIDENTIAL ZONE CHANGES, SINCE I KNOW THAT IS A CONCERN.
UM, AND UM, AFTER SPEAKING WITH HIM, HE DID LET ME KNOW THAT THEY DO IT BASED OFF, UH, CALLS THAT COME IN THE AREA.
SO THEY WON'T DO IT PREEMPTIVELY, BUT ONCE THE HOUSES ARE BUILT AND MORE CALLS START COMING IN, THEN THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT THEY DO TO SAY, WE NEED MORE POLICE OFFICERS IN THIS AREA IN THE FORCE.
AND THAT'S HOW THEY ADD MORE PEOPLE TO LOWER THE RESPONSE TIMES.
BUT I WOULD ALSO, I, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT POINT, CHAIRMAN OUTLAW, WE CAN DEFINITELY ASK THE THREE CHIEFS, CAN YOU PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE, WHY DON'T YOU HAVE A CONCERN? WHY DON'T YOU HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS? IS IT BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY FULLY STAFFED? WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CALLS THERE.
IT'S X MILES FROM THE STATION, WHATEVER THAT MAY BE.
BUT TO ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN JUST WE DON'T HAVE A CONCERN, WE CAN DEFINITELY ASK AND REQUEST THAT, YOU KNOW, IF, I KNOW THEY'RE ALREADY ALL THE, THE, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY IN THE CITY'S OVERWORKED.
BUT, BUT I THINK MAYBE A LITTLE MORE, UM, SUBSTANTIVE COMMENT THAT YOU CAN INCORPORATE INTO YOUR PRESENTATION.
I DON'T KNOW THAT'S GONNA CH THAT'S GONNA CHANGE ANYTHING BECAUSE, UH, OTHER THAN PROVIDE BETTER INFORMATION,
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UH, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THESE ZONE CHANGE REQUESTS, THE, THE, THE, THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS ARE JUST, IT'S A VERY EMOTIONAL, UM, THING FOR THEM.AND, UM, I, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO, ALTHOUGH, YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER THE ONE HERE TWO OR THREE MEETINGS AGO WHERE WE WERE GONNA REZONE THAT PROPERTY ON, UM, OVER HERE IN OLD, IN CENTRAL SHIRTS.
AND THE COUPLE SAT OUT THERE AND THEY NEVER SAID ANYTHING.
AND I ASKED 'EM AS THEY WERE LEAVING AND SAY, OH, NO, WE, WE DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS JUST GONNA BE ANOTHER HOUSE.
SO ONCE THEY HAD THE INFORMATION, THEY WERE OKAY WITH IT.
UM, AND I THINK AS DAISY MENTIONED, I THINK THAT'S WHY WE'VE KIND OF GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND.
IT'S ON THE PUBLIC NOTICE, BUT THAT ULTIMATELY ASSUMES PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, USE THE INTERNET, WHICH I KNOW EVERYBODY DOESN'T.
BUT THEN WE HAVE THAT BRIGHT YELLOW SIGN THAT HOPEFULLY PEOPLE CAN SEE TO CALL US.
UM, BUT SOMETIMES PEOPLE JUST WANT TO COME TO THE MEETING AND HEAR THE INFORMATION TO GET THAT FACT RATHER THAN CALL US.
BUT WE DO, WE TRY TO PUT OURSELVES OUT THERE AS MUCH AS WE CAN FOR PEOPLE TO CALL SO WE CAN ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS BEFORE THEY HAVE TO COME AND SPEND HOURS WITH US SOMETIMES.
WELL, IT, IT SOUNDS TO ME, AND, AND PERSONALLY, UM, THAT'S THE REASON I ASK YOU TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
AND I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE A STEP OR TWO AHEAD OF ME, AND THANK YOU.
SO ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I'LL COMMENT.
THIS GOES WAY FURTHER THAN WHAT WE DO IN SAN ANTONIO.
LIKE, WE WILL ACCEPT NO COMMENT AS SUFFICIENT, LIKE IF ASKED OTHER DEPARTMENTS, WHAT DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THIS? NO COMMENT IS SUFFICIENT.
WELL, I'VE SEEN YOUR AGENDAS TOO, SO
YEAH, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT SCALE.
ROD, ANYBODY BEFORE WE MOVE ON? ALL RIGHT, WELL, THANK YOU ALL AND AGAIN, I, I, I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE A STEP OR TWO AHEAD OF ME AND, AND WHAT YOU'RE DOING, I THINK.
IT'S HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
WE, UM, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING, WANTING THIS PRESENTATION.
WE THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD LEARNING OPPORTUNITY FOR EVERYBODY.
MAYBE A REFRESHER, BUT GLAD WE ARE MEETING THE GOALS.
[B. Workshop and Discussion on distance requirements between car washes- Requested by Commissioner Wallace on May 7, 2025]
OKAY, SO NOW WE HAVE ANOTHER WORKSHOP REQUESTED BY COMMISSIONER WALLACE.SO WHAT DO YOU GOT FOR US, SAM? OKAY, THIS IS A WORKSHOP CONCERNING DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS BETWEEN CAR WASHES.
AGAIN, AS, UH, CHAIRMAN OUTLAW MENTIONED, THIS WAS BROUGHT FORWARD BY COMMISSIONER WALLACE REQUESTED A WORKSHOP RELATED CAR WASHES DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS ON MAY 7TH.
UH, THIS IS OFTEN CALLED A DISPERSAL ORDINANCE.
IT'S INTENDED TO PREVENT CLUSTERING OR OVER CONCENTRATING OF THE SAME USE.
UM, WE ACTUALLY HAVE THIS IN SHIRTS ON MAIN STREET, AND THAT IS, UH, THE SECTION IN OUR CODE RIGHT THERE BELOW IT.
IT PREVENTS, UH, TATTOO PARLORS TO BE WITHIN 900 FEET OF EACH OTHER ON MAIN STREET.
WHAT IT EFFECTIVELY DOES IS PREVENT MORE THAN TWO FOR BEING ON
MAIN STREET'S ONLY LIKE 1100 FEET LONG.
SO IF YOU PUT ONE AT THE END, YOU REALLY CAN ONLY PUT ANOTHER ONE AT THE END.
IF ONE SMACK DAB IN THE MIDDLE, EVERYONE ELSE IS KIND OF OUTTA LUCK.
SO WE, WE HAVE THIS ALREADY, IT'S ALREADY A THING.
NOW FOR OUR CAR WASHES, WE HAVE TWO CATEGORIES IN THE CITY OF SHIRTS.
UH, ONE IS AUTOMATED FACILITY WHERE A CUSTOMER CAN HAVE, YOU KNOW, A CAR AND, UH, HAVE IT WASHED IN EXCHANGE FOR FINANCIAL CONSIDERATION AND ALSO OUR SELF-SERVICE.
A FACILITY TYPICALLY CORN OPERATED USED BY THE CUSTOMER TO WASH MOTORCYCLES, AUTOMOBILES, AND LIGHT LOAD VEHICLES.
OUR PERMITTED USE TABLE IS RIGHT HERE BELOW.
UH, OUR AUTOMATED CAR WASHES ARE PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES GENERAL BUSINESS, GENERAL BUSINESS TWO AND M1 ARE LIGHT AND INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT, AND THE SELF-SERVICE IS THE SAME EXCEPT IT REQUIRES A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT IN NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES DISTRICT.
SO ANYTIME WE KIND OF LOOK AT ANY RESEARCH FOR OUR UDC OR ANYTHING REALLY, WE KIND OF, WE HAVE OUR TARGET CITIES THAT WE LOOK AT.
THESE ARE OUR TARGET CITIES THAT YOU SEE HERE ON THE LEFT.
SO WE ASK, YOU KNOW, HOW DO THE, HOW DO THEY TREAT THEIR CAR WASHES IN THESE CITIES? UM, YOU KNOW, FRISK, A LOT OF 'EM TYPICALLY HAVE EITHER PERMITTED BY RIGHT OR SPECIFIC USE PERMITS.
THERE'S A LOT OF VARIATION BETWEEN, UH, COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL AND HOW THEY, THEY PERMIT THESE, UM, NO REAL CONSISTENCY OTHER THAN THEY'RE MOSTLY PERMITTED IN INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS.
AND IN THE COMMERCIAL IT VARIES BETWEEN PERMITTED BY RIGHT AND SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.
HOWEVER, IN OUR TARGET CITIES, YOU SEE THAT WE HAVE A, UM, DISPERSAL ORDINANCE IN MCKINNEY AND THEY HAVE AN, AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS NO CAR WASH CAN BE WITHIN A HALF MILE RADIUS OF ANOTHER CAR WASH.
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UH, WE ALSO LOOKED AT, UM, IN TEXAS WHERE THERE'S DISPERSAL ORDINANCE OF A CAR WASH, AND IT SEEMS TO BE VERY PREVALENT IN THE VALLEY.SO YOU'LL SEE IN EDINBURGH THEY HAVE A TWO MILE RESTRICTION IN MACALLAN, A HALF MILE IN BROWNSVILLE IT IS FIVE MILES BETWEEN EACH OTHER.
AND IN HARLEEN IT IS TWO MILES.
SO, UH, OUR GIS DEPARTMENT PUT TOGETHER SOME, SOME, UH, GRAPHS FOR YOU.
YOU'LL SEE HERE, UM, THE YELLOW BUBBLES ARE REALLY, YOU SEE THE ORANGE OUTLINES ARE ACTUALLY OUR CAR WASHES THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THE CITY.
SO WE HAVE ONE ON 1103, WE'VE GOT SEVERAL CLUSTERED HERE ON 3 0 0 9, ALTHOUGH I SHOULD MENTION THAT YOU SEE THESE THREE HERE THAT MY CURSOR IS OVER.
THOSE ARE ACCESSORY CAR WASHES FOR LIKE HEB OR GAS STATIONS.
SO THAT LITTLE LIKE BOX OFF TO THE SIDE, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS ANNOYING WHEN THE GAS PUMP ASK YOU IF YOU WANNA CAR WASH.
AND THEN, UH, UP HERE THERE'S A, A COUPLE MORE FULLY AUTOMATED SERVICES AND THEN, UH, THIS IS THE ONE THAT, UH, DAISY SHOWED IT IN HER LAST PRESENTATION THAT IS CURRENTLY BEING PERMITTED AND UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
SO THERE'S A COUPLE DOWN SOUTH AS WELL.
SO A HALF MILE RADIUS WOULD LOOK SOMETHING LIKE THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, IF IT WOULD PREVENT SOME CLUSTERING ON THE 3 0 0 9.
UM, AND THEN ALSO DOWN HERE ON THIS, UH, UH, 78, WE DID A TWO MILE.
IT WOULD LOOK SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
IT DOES, IT, IT COVERS QUITE A BIT OF AREA YOU SEE THERE.
UM, AND THEN IF WE DID FIVE MILES LIKE BROWNSVILLE, YOU'RE BASICALLY NEVER GONNA GET A CAR WASH EVER AGAIN IN THE CITY OF SHIRTS.
SO, UM, THAT IS REALLY ALL STAFF HAS AS THIS, UM, WORKSHOP WAS, UM, REQUESTED BY COMMISSIONER WALLACE.
I WILL LET WALLACE HAVE THE FLOOR TO OPEN UP DISCUSSION.
UM, YEAH, SO THIS, UH, I'VE REQUESTED THIS IN RESPONSE TO A TREND THAT WE'RE SEEING IN SAN ANTONIO DEVELOPMENT WISE AS, UM, A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT IS REALLY FOCUSED ON, UM, THE CAR WASHES WITH THE VACUUM.
IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO, IT'S NOT BE CLEAN ANYMORE.
SO THAT ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE, WHAT I'VE SEEN DEVELOPMENT WISE, UH, IS IT'S JUST EVERY INTERSECTION HAS ONE OF THESE TYPES OF AUTOMATED CAR WASH WITH VACUUMS. UM, PURPOSEFULLY I, THE, UM, WHAT I'M HOPING TO, TO DO WITH THIS, WITH THE MAPS, IT KIND OF GIVES A BETTER PICTURE.
UM, REALISTICALLY, I, IT'S LOOK HAVING SOME KIND OF HALF MILE RADIUS AND AN SUP SIMILAR TO MCKINNEY.
UM, BUT THE, THE PURPOSE OF THIS REALLY IS TO ENCOURAGE OTHER TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.
UM, IT JUST SEEMS TO BE CAR WASH AFTER CAR WASH, AFTER CAR WASH, AFTER CAR WASH.
UM, AND IT'S, IT'S VERY SIMILAR, LIKE THE CLUSTERING, UH, AT 3 0 9 IS FOLLOWING A VERY SIMILAR PATTERN OF THE CLUSTERING OF CAR OF GAS STATIONS RIGHT NEXT TO 3 0 1 AND 9 35.
SO, UM, MY PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO TO, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY ESTABLISH SOME KIND OF RADIUS, I THINK THE HALF MILE, UM, AND THE ADDITIONAL SUP.
BUT IT IS TO GET AHEAD OF A PATTERN THAT I HAVE SEEN AND HOPING TO, UM, YOU KNOW, I ESSENTIALLY GET AHEAD OF OUT INSUREDS.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF AREA, ESPECIALLY GETTING CLOSER TOWARDS I 10 THAT IS STARTING TO BUILD OUT.
UM, AND IF YOU'RE, I, IT'S NOT TO DISCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT, IT IS TO DISCOURAGE ONE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT IS, UM, UH, WHAT'S A, WHAT'S A GOOD WORD, JUST DUPLICATING AT EVERY POSSIBLE INTERSECTION.
SO LOOK AT LOOKING AT THIS TOO.
WE HAVE TO LOOK AT COMMISSIONER SO HE DOESN'T HAVE TO GET STUCK ON AVIATION FOR THREE HOURS.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S PART OF THE THING WHERE THEY'RE HAVING WITH THE BUILDING CONSTRUCTION THAT'S GOING ON NEAR HOME DEPOT IS TO BASICALLY PUT IT BACK IN THE CITY WHERE WE, WE CAN SHOP WITHIN THE CITY AND NOT HAVE TO CONTEND WITH 35 AND CONTEND WITH THAT, WITH THE NIGHTMARE THAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW WITH THE CONSTRUCTION AND EVEN AFTERWARDS.
UM, IT'S A SMART MOVE FOR US TO LOOK AT OTHER TYPES OF BUSINESSES TO ENHANCE WHAT WE HAVE, ESPECIALLY AS WE START TO BUILD AND GROW WITH THESE, UM, ESPECIALLY ON THE SOUTH SIDE WITH ALL OF THE NEW HOMES, WHERE ARE THEY GONNA GO SHOP? CAN WE STICK SOMETHING IN THERE? UM, THE ONLY THING I WOULD CONSIDER AS FAR AS LIKE A CAR WASH OR ANY KIND OF GAS STATION WOULD BE WAS SOMETHING LIKE A DESTINATION, A BUCKY'S.
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IN, BUCKY'S IS A DESTINATION.THEY'VE GOT YOUTUBE VIDEOS WHERE PEOPLE, THEY ACTUALLY SPEND VACATION MONEY THERE.
THEY WILL PULL IN A, THEY WILL SIT IN A HOTEL AND JUST GO TO BUCKY'S, WHATEVER.
UM, SOMETHING ON THE SOUTH SIDE, LIKE A TRADER JOE'S IS ANOTHER DESTINATION LOCATION.
THAT'S ONE THING WHERE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CAN LOOK OUT AND SAY, HEY, LET'S DROP A TRADER JOE'S IN THE AREA.
UM, OR AN ALDE, SOMETHING THAT'S KIND OF A ONE OFF WEIRD THING WHERE PEOPLE WANT A DESTINATION TO GO TO IT.
I MEAN, WE, I, I ACTUALLY WENT TO THE ALDES UP IN AUSTIN JUST SO I COULD PUT MY NICKEL SO I COULD GET THE 'CAUSE JUST TO GET MY CAR TO WALK AROUND.
I'M LIKE, OH, I GET MY NICKEL BAG.
YEAH, SO I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT WITH THIS IS SO WE'RE NOT SITTING HERE, WE'RE EVERY FIVE FEET.
WE ARE EITHER GOT A GAS STATION OR A CAR WASH OR A COMBINATION.
SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA TO LOOK AT.
I THINK FIVE MILES IS A LITTLE OVERKILL.
I MEAN GOOD FOR THEM, BUT I THINK THAT'S KIND OF RIDICULOUS.
UM, HALF MILE IS PROBABLY MORE APPROPRIATE, MAYBE EVEN THREE QUARTERS, BUT ANYTHING ABOVE THAT I THINK WOULD JUST BE HAMPER WE'D BE HAMSTRINGING OURSELVES IN LONG TERM.
AND JUST TO ADD TO THAT, A CAR WASH, THE, WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT THAT IS BEING DEVELOPED IS THE GO CAR WASH.
IT'S GONNA HAVE TWO PEOPLE WORKING.
IT'S A TUNNEL YOU DRIVE THROUGH WITH VACUUMS. UM, THERE'S A BUNCH UP AND DOWN PAT BOOKER NOW, UH, YOU SEE 'EM JUST REPEATING THEMSELVES.
IT'S NOT A DESTINATION, LIKE YOU'RE NOT GONNA DRIVE TO THE OTHER SIDE OF SAN ANTONIO 'CAUSE SOMEONE HAS BLUE LIGHTS IN THE TUNNEL AT THEIR CAR WASH VERSUS THE GREEN LIGHTS AT THE TUNNEL OF YOUR CAR WASH, LIKE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WITH LIKE A BUCKY'S AND THINGS LIKE, YES, IT'S NOT TO DISCOURAGE THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT OVERALL, IT IS TO ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL THINGS TO BE BUILT, UM, OTHER THAN THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER.
UH, I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT I THINK IT, IT ALSO SPEAKS TO BEING A LITTLE MORE INTENTIONAL ABOUT WHAT WE WANT THE CITY ULTIMATELY TO LOOK LIKE AND OFFER TO THE CITIZENS OF THIS COMMUNITY.
SO BECAUSE YOU LOOK AT LIKE ON LIKE ON SHORT SOUTH, THOSE, THEY'RE BUILDING HOMES THERE, BUT THERE'S NO INFRASTRUCTURE AS FAR AS SHOPPING'S CONCERNED.
THEY'VE GOT TREK ALL THE WAY TO SLO, THEY'VE GOT A TRICK TO 35 OR GO OFF KITTY HAWK TO GET FOOD OR EVEN GO TO BASE.
I MEAN, THIS WAY WE UH, NOT ONLY ATTRACT PEOPLE INTO THE CITY, BUT WE MAINTAIN IT.
WE INCREASE THE QUALITY OF LIFE.
AND THAT'S WHY LOOKING AS WE CONTINUE TO BUILD MORE HOUSES, I THINK WE NEED MORE AND MORE THOUGHTFUL ON PROMOTING COMMERCIAL IN THOSE AREAS TO GIVE THOSE PEOPLE A SOLID BACKBONE.
SO IT FEELS LIKE THEIR COMMUNITY, I MEAN, IT'S THE 15, 18 AND 78 BEING KIND OF LIKE A CUTOFF BETWEEN SHIRTS SOUTH AND SHIRTS NORTH.
THERE COULD BE SOME DEVELOPMENT THERE THAT COULD REALLY ENHANCE THAT AREA AND PROMOTE IT WHERE WE'RE NOT JUST SEEING ROOFTOP AFTER ROOFTOP, BUT WE DO HAVE SOMETHING IN THERE THAT CAN OFFER THEM AN A, A HIGHER QUALITY OF LIFE AND A BETTER EXPERIENCE WHEN THEY LIVE IN THE CITY.
AND THAT COULD ALSO DRAW MORE BUSINESSES IN AND INCREASE PROPERTY VALUES OVER LONG TERM.
DOES THE CITY GO AFTER BUSINESSES TO TRY AND DRAW THEM IN? OR IS IT BUSINESS OWNERS COMING TO YOU SAYING, I'D LIKE TO OPEN THIS TYPE OF BUSINESS? UM, BECAUSE IF YOU BUY A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND YOU HAVE A VISION IN MIND, BUT YOU'RE, AND SAY IT'S A CAR WASH AND YOU SAY, WELL, YOU CAN'T BUILD THAT THERE, BUT THEY BOUGHT THAT LAND WITH A PURPOSE.
SO THE IDEA IS YOU COME INTO THE CITY FIRST AND SAY, I'M THINKING ABOUT BUYING THIS LAND AND THIS IS WHAT I WANNA PUT THERE.
UH, BUT WHAT IF IT'S THE OTHER WAY AROUND? THEY HAVE A PIECE OF PROPERTY THEY WANNA USE FOR A SPECIFIC REASON AND THEN THEY'RE BEING TOLD THEY CAN'T DO THAT.
THEN THE OTHER QUESTION WAS, THE FIRST ONE IS, DO YOU GUYS GO AFTER BUSINESSES AND SAY, UH, WE'D LIKE TO PUT A TRADER JOE'S HERE IN SHIRTS.
I MEAN, WHAT DO YOU, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT? I MEAN, I'M JUST CURIOUS.
SO IT IS NOT THE FUNCTION OF THE CITY TO RECRUIT BUSINESSES.
WE DON'T GO AND SAY, WE REALLY THINK THIS IS A GOOD IDEA.
WE REALLY THINK THIS IS A BAD IDEA.
WE JUST BASICALLY, PROPERTY OWNER COMES IN WITH AN IDEA AND WE TELL 'EM, YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO HELP THEM WITH THEIR IDEA.
IF THERE'S THINGS IN THE CODE THAT SAYS THEY CAN'T DO IT, WE LET THEM KNOW.
YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A WAY TO CHANGE THAT, WE ALSO LET THEM KNOW.
BUT REALLY WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING AS, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, GOING OUT AND LOOKING FOR BUSINESSES IS MORE OF THE FUNCTION OF THE EDC, OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.
I'M JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE SAYING, WELL, YOU CAN'T BUILD A CAR WASH WITHIN A HALF MILE OR WHATEVER, 'CAUSE YOU'RE WANTING OTHER TYPES OF BUSINESSES THERE, I UNDERSTAND, BUT IF YOU HAVE A PERSON THAT HAS A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND THAT'S WHAT THEY WANNA DO THERE, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA TELL 'EM NO, YOU CAN'T.
I MEAN, I SAY THAT AS A BUSINESS OWNER.
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NOT TO DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM HAVING THIS TYPE OF BUSINESS.I, MY EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN, IT IS A NATIONAL CHAIN OWNED BY ONE PERSON AND THEY HAVE LIKE 30 LOCATIONS ACROSS OUR REGION.
I MEAN, IT IS NOT A, IT IS NOT SOMEONE, I DON'T WANNA SAY IT'S NOT SOMEONE IN YOUR COMMUNITY WHO IS LIKE, OH, I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M GRINDING IT OUT TO, TO BUY THIS LAND AND START A CAR WASH.
IT IS SOMEONE WHO I'VE DONE MY ANALYSIS AND THIS IS OUR PRIME LOCATION.
WHERE CAN I PUT THIS AND MAKE THIS WORK AS BEST FOR ME AS POSSIBLE? UM, YOU KNOW, I I'M NOT SURE NEXT STEPS WHAT WE COULD DO WITH THIS BESIDES RECOMMEND THAT STAFF MAYBE TAKE THIS TO A UDC AMENDMENT OR, YEAH, I THINK IF, UH, STAFF CAN EXPLORE A UDC AMENDMENT YEAH.
IN REGARDS TO A DISPERSAL ORDINANCE FOR CAR WASHES.
I THINK WE CAN BRING FORWARD, WE COULD DO SOME RES SOME FURTHER RESEARCH AND BRING SOME FORWARD SOME OPTIONS.
IF THAT'S WHAT THE P PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO DO.
DO WE NEED TO DO THAT AS A MOTION OR I FOR A WORKSHOP? THERE'S NO, YOU DON'T NEED TO DO THAT.
WE CAN JUST, THERE'S NO ACTION AT A, ON A WORKSHOP.
COURSE WE DON'T HAVE THIS MARKED FOR ACTIONS.
HAVE WE HAVE, WE HAD, UH, LIKE A PRESENTATION FROM THE ECONOMIC, UH, DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION HERE IN CHURCH TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE DOING INTENTIONALLY? UH, NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, BUT WE COULD DEFINITELY MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
I'M SURE SCOTT WAYMAN WOULD LOVE TO COME IN HERE AND CHEW YOU OFF.
I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM HIM.
SO, UM, I'VE KIND OF SAT HERE AND, AND HONESTLY, I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM.
UM, YOU KNOW, I WOULD ASK, DO, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHY A AUTOMATED CAR WASH IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT.
IN NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES BUT NOT A SELF-SERVICE? I DON'T, THAT DECISION WAS MADE LONG BEFORE I GOT HERE.
AND, UM, BUT IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WOULD LIKE US TO EXPLORE AS WELL.
NO, I JUST, IT IT JUST, IT REALLY, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT I'M NOT SURE IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE OTHER THAN MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING NEGATIVE ABOUT A, ABOUT AN UNINTENDED SELF-SERVE, UH, CAR WASH.
CAN YOU PUT YOUR MAP BACK UP THERE AGAIN? SO, UM, TRYING TO, TRYING TO GET MY BEARINGS HERE.
I THINK THIS GUY RIGHT HERE IS SELF-SERVE.
SO YEAH, HE'S BEEN, THAT'S ON MAIN STREET, RIGHT? THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S DOWN THERE BY THE, UH, STORAGE.
YEAH, THIS IS ON MAIN STREET RIGHT HERE.
AS YOU GO DOWN 1518, AS YOU HEAD OUT OF TOWN, THERE'S ONE THERE BY THE STORAGE YARD.
UM, THAT MIGHT BE THE REASON WHY THAT MIGHT NOT BE ON HERE IS 'CAUSE IT MIGHT BE OUTSIDE THE CITY.
I, I LOOK AT THIS AS A, A, A, A FREE MARKET, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, KIND OF THING THAT THESE FOLKS, YOU KNOW, THE LATEST ONE IS THAT BLUE WAVE, IS THAT THE ONE THAT THEY JUST FINISHED UP THERE NEXT TO, UM, CHICK-FIL-A UP THERE NEXT TO ON 35 NEXT TO DISCOUNT TIRE? YEAH.
WELL, YOU KNOW, THE HISTORY BLUE WAVE ORIGINALLY WANTED TO GO WHERE QT IS ON 3 0 9.
UM, PART OF BEING, BEING ON BEING AROUND TOO LONG IS YOU, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND, AND, BUT THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT THEY FINALLY BUILT ON, UH, YOU KNOW, IN THE, UH, WHAT ARE WE COMING UP? UH, THIS IS 2020, SO THAT'S 36 YEARS I'VE LIVED IN SHIRTS.
THE ONLY THING THAT'S EVER BEEN ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY IS A CHRISTMAS TREE LOT AT CHRISTMAS TIME.
AND IT, IT'S THE SAME RATIONALE THAT I APPLIED WHEN THEY WANTED TO REZONE THAT SLIVER OF LAND OUT THERE ON 10.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE ALL DECIDED THAT IF THAT DIDN'T FIT WITH THE COMP PLAN, THAT, YOU KNOW, NO, WE NEED THIS KIND OF THING.
AND THE, THE FACT IS, UM, IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S BEEN OUT THERE FOR DECADES WITH NOTHING AND LONG COME SOMEBODY THAT WANTS TO BUILD A CAR WASH, AND WE'RE GONNA SAY, NO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
AND IT WILL SIT THERE FOR A COUPLE MORE DECADES BEFORE SOMEBODY PUTS SOMETHING ON.
THEN WHAT DO THEY PUT ON IT? A BURGER KING, YOU KNOW, UM, ANOTHER CHICKEN PLACE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WELL, I I, I KNOW I'M GETTING A LITTLE, UM, A LITTLE SARCASTIC, BUT
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YOU KNOW, I TELL PEOPLE, UH, YOU CAN'T THROW A ROCK IN THIS CITY WITHOUT HITTING A MEXICAN RESTAURANT OR A CHICKEN PLACE.SO WHY AREN'T WE CONCERNED ABOUT, WHY DON'T WE WANT TO HAVE DISPERSAL ORDINANCES ABOUT, UH, ABOUT CHICKEN RESTAURANTS OR MEXICAN RESTAURANTS? OKAY.
UM, I, I, YOU KNOW, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT TYPICALLY, UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT CLUSTER UP THERE ON 35, ONLY ONE OF THOSE IS A TUNNEL CAR WASH.
AND THAT, WHAT IS THAT, UH, WASH TUB? I THINK IT IS.
THE OTHERS ARE ALL, UH, ATTACHED TO GAS STATIONS OR SOMETHING.
UH, AND I'M REALLY SURPRISED THAT QT ON RIPS CLUSTER DOESN'T HAVE A CAR WASH.
THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT TYPICALLY COMES WITH MOST OF THOSE CONVENIENCE STORES IS A CAR WASH, AND THAT'S A CONVENIENCE FOR THEIR CUSTOMERS.
NOW, HONESTLY, I HAVEN'T USED THE ONE UP AT, AT THE, UM, THE VALERO ON 35 SINCE GO OPENED.
I USE THE, I I TYPICALLY USE THE GO CAR WASH.
OH, AND DO YOU HAVE THE ONE THERE AT, UM, LEGACY OAKS IN 35? THE CAR WAS, IS ATTACHED TO THE GAS STATION THERE
SO, AND AGAIN, I HAVE SEEN THREE CAR WASHES GO OUTTA BUSINESS.
UM, WE HAD, UH, WHERE, UM, THE, WHAT'S THE LUBE PLACE? UH, TAKE FIVE.
THE FIVE, YEAH, WHATEVER IT'S CALLED THERE ON 3 9 9.
THAT LITTLE BUILDING TO THE NORTH OF IT, THAT TWO BAY BUILDING THAT WAS A CAR WASH FOR YEARS.
AND, UH, IT WENT OUT OF BUSINESS, I THINK, UH, BETWEEN THE WASH TUB AND, AND, UH, UH, WHATEVER THE GO CAR WAS ORIGINALLY WAS, I THINK, I THINK THEY, THEY DROVE HIM OUT OF BUSINESS.
AND THEN YOU GO UP TO STEIN AND, AND 35 ADJACENT TO THAT NEW DAYCARE RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNER, THAT WAS A CAR WASH.
AND IT SEEMS TO ME THERE USED TO BE ONE DOWN SOMEWHERE IN THE AREA OF, UH, THE VFW THAT WAS A SELFER SPRAY WASH.
UM, SO A LOT OF THIS, YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO ASSUME THAT THAT, UH, BLUE WAVE PAID A PRETTY PENNY FOR THAT FRONTAGE LOT UP THERE.
AND, YOU KNOW, THERE, I I, I, I LIKE TO ASSUME THAT THEY DID THEIR RESEARCH AND THEY DETERMINED THAT THEY COULD MAKE MONEY BY BUILDING A CAR WASH HERE.
UM, SO, AND, AND IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE BUILDING THESE THINGS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
THESE ARE OFTEN IN OUR, YOU KNOW, REALLY THEY'RE OFF IN OUR COMMERCIAL RETAIL SPOTS.
SO AGAIN, I DON'T REALLY SEE A PROBLEM, BUT THAT'S ME.
THERE ARE SIX OF US SITTING HERE TONIGHT.
SO, UM, IT MIGHT BE, WE DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE NEED A MOTION, BUT I THINK A CONSENSUS, UM, AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT THESE FOLKS TO, UM, LOOK INTO THIS.
AND THEN THERE'S, THERE'S ALL THESE THINGS ABOUT, IS IT CAR WASHES IN GENERAL? IS IT STANDALONE CAR WASHES? DO WE INCLUDE THE ONES THAT COME WITH CONVENIENCE STORES WITH GAS PUMPS? UM, DO SELFER VERSUS AUTO FULLY AUTOMATED? A LOT OF DIFFERENT WRINKLES THERE.
SO, BUT ANYWAY, SO WHAT'S THE CONSENSUS? I, I, I KNOW YOU, I I THINK IT, I IT WOULD BE AN ENCOURAGEMENT AND THEN BRING AN ITEM BACK.
AND IF WE GO ANYWHERE WITH IT, I, MY STATEMENT WAS, I REQUESTED IS PURELY WHAT I'VE SEEN IN AREAS NOW THAT ARE EXPERIENCING RAPID DEVELOPMENT.
SO RAPID GROWTH IN POPULATION, UM, LARGER SUPPORTING SERVICES THAT ARE GONNA SUPPORT YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S THE CAR WASH NEXT TO, I MEAN, I, I, I HEAR YOU.
I KEEP DRIVING AROUND AND I, YOU KNOW, I KEEP HEARING ABOUT, UH, GAS SHORTAGES AND THE PRICE OF GAS.
YOU EVERY, I KEEP DRIVING AROUND SEEING THESE NEW, THESE NEW GAS STATIONS GOING IN.
SO ANYWAY, SO I KNOW YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE 'EM DO IT.
HOW, JUDY AND WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE, I MEAN, I LIKE TO SEE WHAT A EDC HAS TO SAY.
WHERE, WHERE DOES THEIR VISION OF IT? SO ARE WE KIND OF ALIGNING WITH THEM? UM, THAT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAN, I THINK IF WE TALK TO THEM THAT WE CAN COME BACK TO Y'ALL WITH A THOUGHTFUL RESPONSE INSTEAD OF JUST SOME KIND OF KNEE JERK REACTION OF HALF MILE, OR GOD FORBID, FIVE MILES.
WELL, I THINK I WOULD, I, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT, IT'S JUST MY OPINION.
I'M NOT ON EDC, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY REALLY CARE WHAT THEY, THEY'RE AFTER THE BIGGER FISH.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE OUT THERE RECRUITING GAS STATIONS.
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MANUFACTURING AND DISTRIBUTION AND, UH, THEY DON'T EVEN WANT TO FIND A SIT DOWN RESTAURANT.FOR ME, THAT'S JUST NOT ON THEIR RADAR.
BUT I AGREE, I THINK, I THINK IF WE COULD GET EDC TO COME GIVE US A PRESENTATION, UH, ON
BUT ANYWAY, GETTING BACK TO THE CAR WASH THING, DO, DO, DO, IS THE CONSENSUS WE WANT THEM TO LOOK AT IT, OR WOULD WE JUST RATHER THEY NOT SPEND THEIR TIME? I MEAN, HONESTLY, RIGHT NOW, I THINK ONCE, AS FAR AS THEM LOOKING AT IT AND WASTING THEIR TIME, LET'S SEE WHAT EDC HAS AND KIND OF GET THEIR VISION OF WHAT THEY'VE GOT GOING ON.
AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK TO STAFF AND GO, THIS IS WHERE THEY'RE LOOKING AT IT.
THIS IS HOW WE'RE LOOKING AT IT.
WHERE CAN WE MEET IN THE MIDDLE? WHERE CAN WE FIND A CONSENSUS FROM BOTH SIDES? SO AS WE'RE PROPOSING THINGS EDC IS BEHIND DRIVING THIS, AND WE CAN GIVE YOU GUYS SOMETHING THOUGHTFUL INSTEAD OF, WELL, I DON'T LIKE IT, AND YOUR RESPONSES, WELL, THAT'S GREAT, BUT WHATEVER I WANT, I WANT TO BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU A THOUGHTFUL REASON AS TO WHY AND A THOUGHTFUL REASON AS TO WHY SPEND YOUR TIME AND EFFORT WITHOUT, WELL, WE DON'T HAVE THAT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE NEED TO BE ALIGNED WITH WHAT EDC WANTS, WHAT Y'ALL ARE, Y'ALL ARE APPROVING, AND WHAT Y'ALL ARE, ARE RECOMMENDING AND WHAT WE'RE APPROVING EVENTUALLY TO, TO SEND TO COUNSEL FOR THEIR FINAL APPROVAL.
SO IT, IT'S A MORE OF A STREAMLINED EFFECT.
SO WE HAVE A CLEARER VISION AND WE KIND OF UNDERSTAND MORE.
SO WHEN, UM, HOMEOWNERS COME IN AND COMPLAIN ABOUT CRIME, UM, THE IDEA OF HAVING THE, THE CHIEFS GIVE A BETTER THOUGHTFUL ANSWER BECAUSE IT MAY BE ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE, YEAH, IT MADE US BE A QUICK EMAIL AND, AND THEY DON'T GIVE IT A LOT OF THOUGHT LONG TERM.
OR IT MAY GIVE THEM MORE, MORE PAUSE THAT WE ASK 'EM FOR, UH, EITHER INSTEAD OF JUST YES OR NO, A REASON AS TO WHY YES OR WHY NO.
AND IT MAY GIVE THEM MORE PAUSE FOR, FOR CLEARANCE AND CLARITY TO KIND OF GO, WELL, OKAY.
AND, AND THEY MAY LOOK AT IT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY.
IT'S MORE OF A, OF A COMPLETE, UM, HOLISTIC APPROACH TO THINGS INSTEAD OF JUST KIND OF PIECE MAILING IT SO WE CAN BE THOUGHTFUL AND THE WORK THAT Y'ALL ARE DOING, WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE CITY SO WE CAN PRESENT IT TO COUNCIL.
IT'S MORE OF A COMPLETE PACKAGE AND IT'S MORE OF AN ALIGNMENT.
SO COUNCIL CAN SEE IT A CLEARER VISION AND THAT'S COMING TO THEM.
I THINK THIS WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THEM IN THE LONG TERM, BUT I THINK THE CAR WASH RIGHT NOW, UM, FOR Y'ALL'S SAKE, I WOULDN'T WORRY ABOUT IT UNTIL WE HAD A DISCUSSION WITH EDC, SO WE CAN KIND OF FIGURE OUT WHERE THEY'RE GOING AND THEN IF WE WANT TO BRING IT BACK IN, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND KIND OF THEN WE CAN ASK Y'ALL THAT QUESTION.
I THINK IT'S A WAIT, WAIT ON THIS THING.
AND I, I WILL SAY THAT IT'S A VERY REAL POSSIBILITY THAT EDC DOES NOT HAVE AN OPINION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER ABOUT CAR WASHES.
JUDY, WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? DO, DO WE WANT TO HAVE 'EM DO THIS OR NO? OKAY.
ROGER, DO YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE ON OR, OR THE OTHER ON THE CAR WASH? WELL, WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT, WE WANT STAFF TO, TO GO OUT AND START, UH, UH, A PROPOSED GDC OH, WHAT'D YOU CALL THIS? A DISPERSAL, DISPERSAL ORDINANCE.
THERE'S ALSO, IF, IF THE RADIUS DISPERSAL ORDINANCE IS UNCOMFORTABLE FOR THE COMMISSION, THERE'S ALSO POTENTIAL FOR STAFF TO EXPLORE THE PERMITTED USE TABLE WITH SPECIFIC USE PERMITS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I, I PERSONALLY THINK SHIRTS HAS ENOUGH CAR WASHES.
THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION.
SO, SO I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND IT.
IT SOUNDS, ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE KIND OF SPLIT ON, ON, YOU KNOW, UM, WE COULD HAVE ANOTHER WORKSHOP AND BRING SOME OPTIONS IN AFTER WE'VE TALKED TO EDCI.
I DON'T KNOW IF, HOWEVER, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.
I DO THINK THAT WE NEED TO HEAR FROM THE EDCI AM REALLY INTERESTED IN THEIR VISION FOR SURE.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL IN LOT OF OTHER AREAS AS WELL.
AND I'M WONDERING IF, UH, IF THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE IS ANOTHER BRAIN WE COULD PICK IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY IF THEY HAVE THEIR EAR TO THE GROUND IN TERMS OF MARKET, WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S, UM, WHAT'S HOT IN THE, IN THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY OR, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A CALL TO, UH, I'M NOT SURE WHAT MAGGIE'S FUNCTION IS ANYMORE OVER THERE, OR THEIR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, MAYBE JUST A PHONE CALL TO 'EM AND SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY INPUT.
BUT SO I THINK BECAUSE WE'RE SPLIT ON THIS, UM, UH, I, I, I THINK THE REQUEST IS FOR YOU GUYS TO LOOK AT IT.
ARE YOU ALL RIGHT WITH THAT, CLAYTON?
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I MEAN, THIS IS, THIS IS TOTALLY TALKING ABOUT A LONG-TERM VISION.AND I WOULD HATE FOR THE LONG TERM OF SHIRTS AND, YOU KNOW, AND MAYBE YOU COULD DO A LITTLE MORE RESEARCH IN TERMS OF, UH, UM, WHAT YOU MIGHT SEE THE DISPERSAL ORDINANCE SAYING, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF, AS I SAID, DO WE TREAT ALL CAR WASHES THE SAME OR IS A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS PUMPS CAR WASH, IS THAT DIFFERENT THAN A, UM, STANDALONE FOOT, YOU KNOW, LIKE, UH, BLUE WAVE OR GO, UM, UM, SO, UH, BEFORE YOU, YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN COME BACK TO I DON'T KNOW WHAT, HOWEVER IT WORKS OUT FOR YOU GUYS.
ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, REQUEST AND ANNOUNCEMENTS.
[A. Requests by Commissioners to place items on a future Planning and Zoning Agenda]
UH, ITEM A REQUEST BY COMMISSIONERS TO PLACE ITEMS ON A FUTURE PNZ AGENDA.I WOULD, I JUST WANT TO REMIND STAFF THAT ELECTIONS ARE ON, NEED TO BE ON THE AUGUST.
'CAUSE I NEED A, I NEED A VI WELL, I SAY I, UH, WE NEED A VICE CHAIRMAN.
[B. Announcements by Commissioners City and community events attended and to be attended Continuing education events attended and to be attended]
ALRIGHT.UM, ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING? YEAH.
SO, UH, OVER THE PAST, IT'S JULY NOW, SO SIX MONTHS.
UH, I HAD STUDIED FOR THE A ICP EXAM AND I HAVE RECENTLY PASSED IT AND NOW A CERTIFIED PLANNER.
UM, SO IT'S KIND OF A BIG DEAL, UM, IN THE PLANNING WORLD.
[C. Announcements by City Staff. City and community events attended and to be attended.]
BY CITY STAFF.YOU ALL HAVE ANYTHING? NOTHING.
[A. Current Projects and City Council Status Update ]
NUMBER NINE, INFORMATION IN YOUR, UH, CURRENT PROJECTS AND CITY COUNCIL STATUS UPDATE, UH, ARE IN YOUR PACKET.OF COURSE, THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE LAST NIGHT'S COUNCIL MEETING, WHICH, UM, I MEANT TO WATCH THIS MORNING AND I HAVE NOT SEEN THAT EITHER.
UM, BUT THAT LOOKS LIKE ALL THE AGENDA.
IT, IT IS EIGHT 17 AND THIS MEETING'S ADJOURNED.