[1. Reinstating one FTE position in the City Secretary Department]
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WE'LL GO STRAIGHT TO OUR ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE REINSTATING OF A FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE IN THE CITY SECRETARY'S DEPARTMENT.
ALRIGHT, UH, THIS IS A MORE, LESS AN ISSUE, UH, CONCERNING THE BUDGET FOR 20 25, 20 26, AND IF WE COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
THE PROPOSAL IS, UH, TO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL EMPLOYEE AT THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE.
UH, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS, UH, REINSTATE THE POSITION THAT WAS ONCE THERE, OR HAVE THE, UH, UH, THE COUNCIL, UH, CONSIDER A BUDGET ADJUSTMENT FOR THE ADDITIONAL STAFF.
CURRENTLY, WE HAVE TWO FULL-TIME, UH, AND ONE PART-TIME PERSON, UH, THAT WAS ADDED BACK IN 2024.
AND PART OF THE REASONS FOR THE INCREASE, UH, FOR THE ADDITIONAL FULL-TIME WORKERS, THE INCREASE IN WORKLOAD DUE TO, UH, THE REASSIGNMENT OF THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT RESPONSIBILITIES THAT CAME BACK TO THE OFFICE OF THE CITY SECRETARIES, BUT WITHOUT THE ADDITIONAL PERSON.
NOT ONLY THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, EFFICIENCY SERVICE QUALITY AND COMPLIANCE ARE ALSO AT RISK, THOUGH THERE'S A LOT OF TIME SENSITIVE ISSUES THAT ARE BROUGHT UP TO THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE.
UH, YOU KNOW, OPEN RECORDS REQUESTS, UH, THERE'S OVER, THERE WAS OVER 600 OF 'EM IN 2024.
UH, AND IN FACT, JUST COUPLE WEEKS AGO, WE HAD ONE THAT HAD 15,000 PAGES ON IT, SO THOSE HAVE TO BE LOOKED AT VERY CAREFULLY.
OKAY, BACK IN 2020, UH, 2 0 0 8 AND 2 0 9, WE ACTUALLY HAD FOUR, UH, FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES AT THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE, AND THESE ARE THE POSITIONS THAT WERE BEING HELD AT THAT POINT.
IN, IN 2009, THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT POSITION WAS, IT WASN'T ELIMINATED, IT WAS MOVED TO A DIFFERENT SHOP, SO THE POSITION ITSELF WAS ELIMINATED FROM THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE, BUT THE FUNCTIONS WERE SET SOMEWHERE ELSE AND WE, THEY, IT WENT TO THE PUBLIC AFFAIRS OFFICE.
FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, IN 2017, UH, THE POSITION WAS RECLASSIFIED AND ACT ACTUALLY LEFT THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE WITH ONLY TWO FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES.
SINCE THEN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, UH, FOUR INDIVIDUALS BACK IN 2009, WE HAD A POPULATION OF 32,000.
IN 2024, WE HAVE 43,000, AND WE HAVE SEVEN COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND NOT FIVE.
THERE'S BEEN AN INCREASE, OF COURSE, WITH THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS THAT WE HAVE.
THERE'S AN INCREASE ON, ON REQUESTS, OPEN RECORDS REQUESTS, UH, UH, A LOT MORE, UH, ITEMS THAT ARE COMING UP, UM, THAT ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE.
AND NOT TO MENTION THE, THE REQUEST FOR THE OPEN RECORDS REQUEST.
AS I STATED, THERE HAS BEEN OVER 600 OPEN RECORDS REQUESTS FOR 2004, 2024.
IN FACT, UH, IT WAS, UH, 655 OPEN RECORDS REQUESTS, AND THESE ARE VERY TIME SENSITIVE ISSUES.
UH, EACH ONE NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT CAREFULLY.
UH, SOME OF THEM ARE HUNDREDS OF PAGES AND SOME OF THEM ARE THOUSANDS OF PAGES LONG AND THEY REQUIRE, UH, TO BE, TO BE REVIEWED.
UH, REDACTIONS ARE, ARE NEEDED TO BE MADE ON SOME OCCASIONS TOO, AND MANY REQUIRE THE ATTORNEY'S REVIEW ALSO.
ADMINISTRATIVE DUTIES HERE AT THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE, OF COURSE, MANAGING AND POSTING OF THE AGENDA BOARD AND COMMITTEE OVERSIGHTS, THE INTERVIEW COMMITTEE.
UH, THESE, UH, COMMITTEES MEET THREE TIMES A YEAR.
THEY ALSO HAVE THE ALCOHOL PERMITS AND, AND LIEN PROCESSES.
UH, QUALIFICATION OF COORDINATION WITH UNICODE, THE ELECTIONS ADMINISTRATION ALSO, UH OH, IT HAS BECOME, UH, AN ANNUAL, UH, AN ANNUAL, UM, WHERE WE HAVE RUNOFFS.
UH, NORMALLY THAT WASN'T THE CASE, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, THE PAST THREE ELECTIONS, WE HAVE HAD RUNOFF, UH, ELECTIONS, UH, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF INTEREST IN BEING PART OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
AND OF COURSE, THE TRAINING, UH, REQUESTED BY THE MAYOR AND THE SEVEN COUNCIL MEMBERS.
WE HAVE, UH, TWO PREVIOUS, UH, POSITIONS REMOVED FROM THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE AND REASSIGNED, I'M NOT SURE, I'M, I'M, I PUT PUBLIC AFFAIRS OFFICE, BUT IT COULD HAVE BEEN SOMEWHERE ELSE.
UH, IT COULD HAVE BEEN PUBLIC AFFAIRS OR THE 3 1 1, UH, OFFICE.
UH, WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING IS THE CITY MANAGER RETURN THOSE DUTIES
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AND THAT PERSON, OR THE, WHAT HAPPENED HERE IS THE CITY MANAGER RETURNED THE DUTIES TO THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE, THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT PORTION OF IT, BUT OMITTED IN PROVIDING THE STAFF ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE DUTIES.IN FACT, UH, WHEN THOSE DUTIES WERE ASSIGNED, WE DID, UH, WE DID WORK WITH THE CITY MANAGERS TO GET A PART-TIME INDIVIDUAL 20 HOURS, UH, STAFF.
BUT THAT IS IN, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE INDIVID, UH, WHAT IS PUT IN.
UH, AND BY LAW, WE CAN'T, UH, WE CAN'T, THEY CAN'T WORK MORE THAN 32 HOURS, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
SO, UH, THE WORKLOAD HAS ACTUALLY PROVIDED CHALLENGES AND RISK.
WE HAVE OUR STAFF THAT IS WORKING AT LEAST 55 HOURS A WEEK, IN SOME CASES, MORE THAN 60 OR 70 HOURS.
UH, IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, IT DELAYS PROCESSING AND PUBLIC REQUESTS.
RE UH, THE RISK OF NONCOMPLIANCE AND LEGAL MANDATES ARE STILL THERE.
IT DOESN'T NEGATE THE FACT THAT EVEN IF YOU ONLY HAVE TWO, YOU STILL HAVE THOSE TIME LIMITATIONS THAT YOU MUST MEET.
IT ALSO DIMINISH DIMINISHES THE SERVICE QUALITY AND ALSO STAFF MORALE.
UH, WHEN YOU CONTINUOUSLY WORK, YOU KNOW, SOME OF US ARE, ARE UNDERSTAND THAT WORKING 55 HOURS A WEEK IS OKAY ON OCCASION, BUT WHEN YOU CAN, WHEN YOU DO IT OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, IT DOES BURN OUT THE STAFF.
AND ALSO, UH, THERE'S A GROWING BACKLOG ON ADMINISTRATIVE, UH, BOTTLENECKS THAT, THAT THEY FACE.
THE PROPOSED SOLUTION IS WHAT ADD ONE FULL-TIME ADMINISTRATIVE EMPLOYEE.
IT WILL SUPPORT THE CURRENT STAFF WITH ADMINISTRATIVE AND CLERICAL DUTIES, AND WE CAN DO THAT BY REINSTATING THE INDIVIDUAL THAT, UH, THAT WAS ASSIGNED PREVIOUSLY OR THE COUNCIL CAN, UH, APPROVE A BUDGET AMENDMENT TO ADD THAT NEW, TO ADD THAT POSITION.
THE BENEFITS, OF COURSE, UH, IT RESTORES THE, YOU KNOW, THE EFFICIENCY OF RECORDS MANAGEMENT.
UH, WE HAVE BEEN SEEING A LOT OF PROGRESS ON THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT, WHICH WAS NEGLECTED FOR SEVERAL, SEVERAL YEARS.
UH, WE CAN MEET THE, UH, LEGAL DEADLINES AND, AND BE, UH, COMPLIANT WITH THE MANDATES THAT ARE PROVIDED, UH, PROVIDES A TIMELY RESPONSE TO THE PUBLIC.
IT ALSO PREVENTS THE STAFF BURNOUT AND POTENTIAL TURNOVER AND ALSO THE, UH, THE CITY STANDARDS THAT WE MUST MEET AND, AND PROVIDE TO OUR RESIDENTS.
SO THE REQUEST IS TO CONSIDER, UH, STRONGLY CONSIDER THE ADDITIONAL PERSON, UH, DURING OUR NEXT BUDGET, UH, MEETING.
NOW, AT THIS POINT, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR YOU TO APPROVE IT.
IT IS ONLY A POINT BECAUSE THIS DIRECTLY IMPACTS THE CITY COUNCIL.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE HAVING THIS, THIS, THIS WORKSHOP TODAY IS BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND IF THIS POSITION IS NOT THERE, THE CITY COUNCIL IS AFFECTED BY THAT, BY, BY THOSE LIMITATIONS OF, UH, WHAT WE CAN ACCOMPLISH WITH THE TWO AND A HALF INDIVIDUALS THAT WE HAVE THERE.
THAT IS THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF HAVING THIS DISCUSSION AT THIS POINT.
TO PUT THAT BUG IN YOUR, IN YOUR BRAINS THAT HEY, IN AUGUST WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION TO, UH, TO CONSIDER THAT POSITION.
AND OF COURSE, UH, THERE IS LEGAL TIME LIMITS, UH, ASSOCIATED WITH TRYING TO GET EVERYTHING THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE ACCOMPLISHED BY THE CITY, CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE.
THAT'S, UH, MORE OR LESS AN OVERVIEW, UH, REGARDING THE, UH, THE REQUEST FOR THE ADDITIONAL PERSON.
AS MOST OF YOU KNOW, I'M IN THE OFFICE ON A REGULAR BASIS.
I'M THERE JUST ABOUT ON A DAILY BASIS.
ON OCCASION, I'M THERE AT EIGHT O'CLOCK AT NIGHT AND I LEAVE BEFORE THE, THE CITY STAFF, UH, CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE STAYS.
SO JUST IMAGINE I LEAVE AT 8:00 PM AND THEY'RE STILL THERE AT EIGHT 30.
AND ONE SITUATION, I THINK I LEFT AT NINE AND THEY WERE STILL THERE AT NINE 30.
AND THEN I REMEMBER SEEING THE EMAIL ABOUT 10 30.
SO I, I, IT JUST, UH, I WAS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT THEY WERE PUTTING IN THE OFFICE TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT NEEDED TO BE ACCOMPLISHED FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND FOR THE
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CITY COUNCIL.WITH THAT, LET'S OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS.
COUNCIL MEMBER BROWN, THERE IS NO DOUBT IN MY MIND OR ANYBODY ELSE THAT HAS WATCHES AT, UH, CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE THAT UH, UH, THEY'RE OVERWHELMED AND, UH, THE, YOU KNOW, I, I FULLY SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, ADD, ADDING THE, UH, THE ADDITIONAL PERSON BACK IN THERE.
UH, LIKE YOU SAY, IT ISN'T A TRUE ADDITION.
IT'S REINSTATING A POSITION THAT WAS THERE BEFORE AND JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR WHATEVER REASON CHANGED OUT.
UH, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR BUDGET IS LOOKING LIKE RIGHT NOW, BUT, UH, I WOULD IMAGINE WE CAN MAKE ROOM FOR THAT, UH, FOR UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR.
NO, YOU BROUGHT UP A INTERESTING POINT BECAUSE IT'S NOT ONLY THE POSITION, BUT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THE BUDGET.
ONCE THESE NUMBERS ARE RELEASED, UM, OUR STAFF WILL BE PUTTING THAT TOGETHER SO THAT WE CAN, UH, MAKE THAT DECISION BASED ON THE BUDGET.
OF COURSE, UH, IT ALL PLAYS INTO OUR DECISION AT THAT POINT.
COUNCIL MEMBER, WELL, I THINK I, I THINK WE CAN MAKE A DECISION AND THEN MAKE THE BUDGET WORK.
DEFINITELY COUNCIL MEMBER MACALUSO JUST, UH, IT'S IN REPLACE OF THE PART-TIME THAT PERSON WOULD BE FULL-TIME.
THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
IN ADDITION TOO, WE WOULD HAVE THREE IN ADDITION.
WELL, THE PART-TIME IS STILL THERE PLUS ANOTHER FULL-TIME.
I THINK THAT WHEN, WHEN THIS IS PRESENTED, I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT FASHION.
UM, AND I'M JUST TRYING TO PLAY BOTH SIDES HERE, BUT I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT WITHOUT ANY NUMBERS MAKES IT, YOU KNOW, NOT VERY INFORMATIVE, BUT THE, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE PUT IN THERE THE, THE AMOUNT OF RECORD REQUESTS FROM TWO, UH, 2024, BUT THERE'S NO HISTORICAL DATA THERE.
WHAT WAS IT IN 2020? WHAT WAS IT IN 2019? I THINK JUST SHOWING AND THE ACTUAL INCREASE IN WORKLOAD WILL HELP A LOT IN BEING ABLE TO, UH, JUSTIFY ADDING A, AN ADDITIONAL POSITION OTHER THAN JUST SAYING THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY FEEL OVER OVERWORKED.
I'M, WHICH I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY'RE NOT.
I JUST THINK WE NEED TO SHOW THE, TO, TO BE ABLE TO, UH, HAVE PROOF ON THAT.
I THINK WE CAN TRY TO GET THOSE NUMBERS, UH, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE ARE JUST, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET YOUR INPUT AND WHAT YOU NEED TO MAKE THAT DECISION WHEN WE HAVE OUR BUDGET.
SO WE'LL TRY TO GET THOSE NUMBERS.
UH, MS. EDMONDSON, IF YOU CAN MAKE SURE HOW FAR WE CAN GO BACK TO, UH, SEE WHERE THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE FOR IT.
UH, COUNCIL MEMBER GUERRERO, I DE I DEFINITELY AGREE WITH BOTH COUNCIL MEMBERS BECAUSE IF THE POSITION WAS THERE BEFORE AND IT'S NOT THERE NOW, DEFINITELY OUR, OUR, OUR STAFF'S GONNA BE OVERWHELMED.
AND I ALSO AGREE WITH, UH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER MACUSA, WE DEFINITELY NEED SOME, SOME NUMBERS TO JUSTIFY IT AND WE DEFINITELY NEED TO HAVE THAT REPLACED.
LET'S CLARIFY THE NUMBERS ON OPEN RECORDS, AND THEN WE CAN GET ALSO ON THE, UM, THE LIENS, HOW MANY LIENS WERE THAT WE CAN SHOW A PATTERN ON THOSE LIENS ALSO.
YEAH, MAYBE JUST, YOU KNOW, THE AMOUNT OF CONTACTS THAT THEY'RE RECEIVING, YOU KNOW, OVER, YOU KNOW, YEAR OVER YEAR JUST TO SEE THE ACTUAL WORKLOAD, UM, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO, TO UNDERSTAND AND, AND SEE.
YEAH, THIS IS DEFINITELY A, A SITUATION WHERE THEY'RE UNDERSTAFFED AND DIFFICULT TO KEEP UP WITH THAT.
UH, COUNCIL MEMBER WATSON, UM, I AGREE WITH THE FULL-TIME POSITION, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KIND OF SEE WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE FOR, UM, INTRODUCING AI TO THE WORKFORCE IN REGARDS TO THE OVERTIME.
THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO LOOK INTO, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE DOING A LOT OF OVERTIME.
WE'LL HAVE TO GO PAY A CLOSER LOOK WITH THAT AI BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S NEW TECHNOLOGY.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE, WE'LL HAVE A DISCUSSION AND SEE EXACTLY WHAT WE CAN, WE CAN DO THERE.
MAYOR PRO TEMP, UH, HAYWARD, UM, I, I CONCUR WITH THE COUNCIL MEMBER BROWN, UM, WHEN IF YOU GO IN THEIR OFFICE ON A REGULAR, YOU SEE THE WORKLOAD, YOU SEE 'EM BEING THERE IN THE EVENING.
UM, SO I'M ON BOARD WITH, UH, GETTING A PERSON IN THE OFFICE AND AS COUNCIL MEMBER BROWN SAID, WE MAKE THE DECISION TO DO IT AND WE JUST WORK THE BUDGET FOR IT.
THE OTHER THING IS WITH AND UNDERSTANDING AI, AS I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH DIFFERENT PEOPLE ABOUT AI AND THE OPEN RECORDS REQUEST,
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PART OF THAT IS BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE DATA THAT'S IN THERE THAT NEEDS TO BE REDACTED IN TRYING TO WRITE AN AGENT TO DO THAT INFORMATION COULD BE DIFFICULT BECAUSE SOME OF THE THINGS IN THE INFORMATION THEY'RE, THEY'RE RETRIEVING COULD BE DIFFERENT.SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMEONE THAT CAN DO A SPECIFIC THING.
AND I KNOW AT ONE POINT THE STATE WAS LOOKING AT PASSING A LAW THAT SAYS THAT YOU COULD NOT DO OPEN RECORDS, USE AI WITH OPEN RECORDS REQUEST BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE, UM, CONFIDENTIAL DATA THAT COULD BE IN IT.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT AI MAY WORK AT THIS TIME, UM, AS FAR AS THAT, BUT THEY CAN LOOK AT IT.
I, I JUST KNOW THAT IN HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT IT AND TRYING TO WRITE AN AGENT FOR THAT COULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLEX THAN WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO REDACT SOME INFORMATION.
SOME THINGS ARE COPYRIGHTED, SOME THINGS ARE PATENTED, SOME THINGS ARE JUST IN THE WAY THEY ARE, THEY HAVE, THEY'RE CONFIDENTIAL AND CAN'T BE SHARED, SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT AND, AND DO THAT.
SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT HAPPENS FOR SOME OTHER THINGS THAT MAY BE, MAY BE WORK, BUT IF YOU'RE EVER IN THE OFFICE, UH, DURING THE DAY, YOU SEE THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT'S BEING DONE.
AND OCCASIONALLY WHEN I'M COMING BACK FROM A TRIP AND IT'S LATE AT NIGHT, I STILL SEE, UH, SHERI IN THE OFFICE WORKING ON OPEN RECORDS.
UM, AND IT SEEMS THAT THAT'S A BULK OF HER TIME AS OPPOSED TO SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT SHE'S RESPONSIBLE FOR.
SO I'M NOT OPPOSED TO HAVING A ANOTHER POSITION IN THAT OFFICE.
FULLTIME, I HAVE SOME MORE QUESTIONS.
YEAH, I, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY.
UH, WE, WE DO NEED TO NOT REPLACE, WE NEED TO FILL THE POSITION.
OH, AND ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS JUST SO THAT, UH, LIKE I I MENTIONED BEFORE, THIS IS A POSITION THAT DIRECTLY AFFECTS THE CITY COUNCIL AND THAT'S WHY IT COULDN'T WAIT UNTIL THE BUDGET, UH, HEARING THE BUDGET, UH, RETREAT THAT WE WERE HAVING IS BECAUSE THOSE, AT THE BUDGET RETREAT, WE ARE ALMOST FINALIZING SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT IS BEING PROVIDED, UH, BY THE STAFF TO THE COUNCIL.
BUT IN THIS SITUATION, IT IS A, A POSITION THAT DIRECTLY IMPACTED THE COUNCIL AND THAT'S WHY IT NEEDED TO BE BROUGHT UP INTO A WORKSHOP DISCUSSION, UH, TO GET THE NUMBERS THAT YOU ARE REQUESTING SO THAT YOU CAN MAKE THAT INFORMED DECISION, UH, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T PROVIDE EVERYTHING THAT YOU REQUESTED BECAUSE WE HAD NO IDEA WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS GONNA BE ASKED.
BUT WE CAN CERTAIN, CERTAINLY GET SOME OF THAT INFORMATION.
UM, IS THERE ANY INFORMATION THAT YOU ARE REQUESTING REGARDING RECORDS MANAGEMENT SINCE IT IS BACK IN THE OFFICE? UH, NO.
THERE'S STILL A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE BECAUSE IT HADN'T BEEN DONE FOR HOW MANY YEARS? ANY I IDEA HOW MANY YEARS? 14 YEARS.
RECORDS MANAGEMENT LEFT THE OFFICE FROM THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE 14 YEARS AGO, BROUGHT IT BACK, AND NOW WE GOTTA PLAY CATCH UP FOR 14 YEARS.
SO YOU SEE THE IMPACT COUNSEL THAT THIS IS HAVING ON THIS OFFICE, AND THAT'S WHY IT NEEDED TO BE BROUGHT UP TO YOUR ATTENTION.
WITH THAT, UH, WE WILL GET THE INFORMATION THAT IS, THAT'S BEING REQUESTED.
UH, WE'LL TRY TO GET IT TO YOU AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, UH, DEFINITELY BEFORE WE HAVE OUR, OUR BUDGET RETREAT.
WITH THAT, UH, IT IS 5 25 AND WE STAND ADJOURN.