* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:08] ALL [ Call to Order] RIGHT. THE TIME IS NOW, UH, SIX, WELL, I'M SORRY, EIGHT 30. UH, THIS IS OUR SPECIAL, UH, PRE-BUDGET MEETING FOR AUGUST 1ST, 2025. AND FIRST ON THE AGENDA, WE HAVE THE HEARING OF RESIDENTS. WE HAD NO ONE THAT SIGNED UP, BUT I WILL BE, UH, UH, GIVING THE, UH, RESIDENTS THAT ARE PRESENT AN OPPORTUNITY TO CHIME IN AFTER WE, UH, PROVIDE A PRESENTATION ON THE, ON THE BUDGET SO THAT WE CAN HAVE SOME INPUT FROM THEM. SO, UH, FIRST ON THE FIRST THING WILL BE THE, UH, ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE FISCAL YEAR 2025 OPENING BUDGET AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM WORKSHOP. MR. WILLIAMS. THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND GOOD MORNING. SO I KNOW THE STAFF KNOWS HOW TO RESPOND WHEN I SAY THIS. AND COUNCIL, Y'ALL ARE WELCOME TO JOIN IN AS WELL. SO, HOW'S EVERYBODY DOING? UNBELIEVABLE. UNBELIEVABLE. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. 'CAUSE IT IS AN UNBELIEVABLE MORNING IN CHURCH TEXAS. THIS IS OUR BUDGET RETREAT, AND WE ARE GOING TO GO THROUGH THE PROPOSED BUDGET. WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS. WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE ENTIRE BUDGET AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. WE ALSO HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER ITEMS THAT ARE BUDGET RELATED, BUT ALSO SERVICE, SERVICE DELIVERY RELATED, AND WE'LL HAVE PRESENTATIONS ON THOSE AS WELL. SO WE DO ANTICIPATE, UM, A FULL, ALMOST A FULL DAY. UH, IF THINGS GO PROGRESS QUICKER, WE'VE, WE DO HAVE LUNCH SCHEDULED AS WELL TO WORK THROUGH LUNCH IF IT DOES GO THAT LONG. SO WE WILL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED, AND I'M GONNA KICK US OFF THIS MORNING, AND I'LL JUST MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. IT HAS BEEN A GOOD YEAR FOR THE CITY OF SHIRTZ. WE'VE HAD SOME UPS AND DOWNS IN DIFFERENT AREAS, BUT OVERALL, WE ARE PROGRESSING NICELY. WE ARE EXPERIENCING, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF HITTING ON ALL CYLINDERS RIGHT NOW IN, IN A, AS A MATTER OF FACT. AND LIKE I SAID, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD A LITTLE ROUGH SPOTS FINANCIALLY THAT AREN'T DETRIMENTAL, BUT THEY ARE A LITTLE BIT OF POSING A LITTLE BIT OF A CHALLENGE. SO WE'RE GONNA GO OVER ALL OF THOSE THINGS, AND WE DO, THE GOOD NEWS IS WE DO HAVE A PLAN TO ADDRESS THOSE THINGS AND HOW TO MOVE FORWARD. SO [ 1. Fiscal Year 2025-26 Operating Budget and Capital Improvement Program Workshop (S. Williams/Executive Team/J.Walters)] I WILL JUMP RIGHT IN AND TALK ABOUT WHAT WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT. SO I'M GONNA GIVE A BUDGET OVERVIEW AND UPDATE, AND STAFF WILL CONTRIBUTE TO THAT AS WELL. WE'LL, LIKE I SAID, WE'LL TALK ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE ENTIRE OPERATING BUDGET AND THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT SOME THINGS THAT WE, SO I'M BRINGING TO YOU A COMPLETED CITY MANAGER'S BUDGET. THERE ARE THINGS THAT WERE NOT INCLUDED, AND THAT'S DUE TO LIMITATIONS THAT WE HAVE OR LIMITATIONS AS THEY COMPARE TO WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED. HOWEVER, YOU WILL SEE EVERYTHING AND YOU WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THOSE, MAKE CHANGES AND MOVE THINGS AROUND AS YOU WILL, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY YOU ARE THE CITY COUNCIL AND YOU ARE THE, THE BIGGEST THINGS YOU DO IS MAKE POLICIES AND ADOPT THE BUDGET. WE ARE ALSO GONNA TALK ABOUT THOSE TWO ITEMS THAT I MENTIONED THAT ARE OPERATIONAL IN NATURE, AND THEY INVOLVE THE CITY'S SOCCER COMPLEX AS WELL AS THE SENIOR CENTER AND HOW THOSE, THOSE FUNCTION CURRENTLY AND WHAT WE PROPOSE TO DO IN THE FUTURE FOR THOSE. SO JUST TO START WITH AN OVERVIEW OF THE BUDGET, GIVE AN UPDATE. SO OUR PRIORITIES, THESE ARE SIMILAR TO LAST YEAR, ACTUALLY, THEY'RE THE SAME, I'VE JUST TWEAKED IT JUST A LITTLE BIT. BUT THE FIVE TOP PRIORITIES THAT WE HAVE REMAIN IN PLACE IN TERMS OF STAFF COMPENSATION MAKING, STAY SURE THAT WE STAY COMPETITIVE, STREET MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR, FOCUSING ON OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM. NOW, WHAT THAT SAID IN THE PA, THE WAY THAT READ IN THE PAST WAS, IT WAS TO DEVELOP A COMPREHENSIVE DOCUMENT. WE HAVE THAT DOCUMENT AND THAT MULTI-YEAR PLAN IN PLACE NOW. NOW OUR OBJECTIVE IS TO CONTINUE TO TWEAK THAT PLAN AND PUT IT INTO ACTION AND CONTINUE TO IMPROVE IT AND CONTINUE TO UTILIZE IT TO PLAN FOR THE FUTURE. THERE IS ALSO A FOCUS ON INCREASING STAFFING LEVELS, AND WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT IN CERTAIN AREAS THIS YEAR. AND WE'RE, I THINK WE'RE MAKING PRETTY, PRETTY GOOD STRIDES IN DOING THAT. WE STILL GOT SOME WORK TO DO TO GET US UP TO WHERE WE HAD A STAFFING LEVEL STUDY DONE IN 2021, I THINK 2021, IS THAT RIGHT, JESSICA? SOMEWHERE IN THAT RANGE. BUT WE WERE NOT ABLE TO ADDRESS ALL OF THE AREAS OVER THE, OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS OR SO, FOUR OR FIVE YEARS. AND, AND WE ARE, WE ARE MAKING STRIDES TOWARDS GETTING THAT DONE. IT'LL ALWAYS BE A CHALLENGE TO MAKE SURE WE CAN KEEP UP WITH THE CURRENT SERVICE DEMAND LEVEL, BUT, BUT WE'RE WORKING THAT WAY. [00:05:01] THE OTHER IS NEW AND REMODELED FACILITIES. WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF THOSE THAT THEY ARE IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM NOW, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THOSE AS WELL. SO SHIFTING GEARS, THE OPERATING BUDGET, THIS DEALS WITH ALL OF OUR OPERATIONAL THINGS IN NATURE. SO THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS I WANNA HIT THAT AFFECT ALL THE DIFFERENT FUNDS. SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE GENERAL FUND AND THE WATER SEWER FUND, EMS FUND, ET CETERA, AND THE INDIVIDUAL FUNDS. BUT OVERALL, AS AN OPERATING BUDGET, THERE ARE TWO ITEMS THAT I WANNA HIGHLIGHT THAT AFFECT ALL OF THOSE FUNDS. ONE OF THEM BEING IS OUR HEALTH INSURANCE. SO IF YOU'LL REMEMBER LAST YEAR WE WENT OUT FOR RFP AND WE WERE ABLE TO SECURE A NEW CARRIER CAME IN AND VERY AGGRESSIVELY BID TO BRING OUR COST DOWN. ACTUALLY, IT WAS ABOUT 11% DECREASE AND IT WAS SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN WHAT OUR CURRENT CARRIER WAS PROPOSING TO GO UP TO. SO WE ACTUALLY SAVED MONEY LAST YEAR. AND THEN THEY HAD A GUARANTEE IN THERE THAT THE SECOND YEAR WOULD ONLY GO UP BY 9.5%. WELL, DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE THAT WE WOULD DO ANYWAYS, WE WENT AHEAD AND DID RFPS JUST FOR THE HEALTH PORTION AGAIN THIS YEAR JUST TO SEE WHERE WE WERE AND SEE IF WE COULD BEAT THE 9.5%. WELL, OUR CARRIER THAT WE HAD SWITCHED FROM BEFORE, WHICH WAS BLUE CROSS BLUE SHIELD, AND, AND JESSICA'S GONNA PRESENT A LOT OF THIS IN MORE DETAIL LATER WHEN SHE BRINGS THE ITEM TO YOU. BUT THEY CAME BACK IN WITH A VERY STRONG BID. AND AT THIS POINT, AFTER THEIR BEST AND FINAL OFFER, IT LOOKS LIKE WE WILL HAVE NO COST INCREASE TO ANY OF THE FUNDS. SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO STAY WHERE WE ARE THIS YEAR, WHICH IS A GOOD THING. NOW, IT DOES REQUIRE SOME MINOR PLAN CHANGES THAT DEAL WITH THE MAXIMUM OUT OF POCKET. THERE ARE SOME INCREASES. THE INITIAL INCREASE, WE HAVE THREE DIFFERENT PLANS. IT AFFECTED TWO OF THE PLANS. ONE PLAN BEING THE HIGH DEDUCTIBLE PLAN, A LITTLE BIT HEAVIER THAN THE OTHER TWO. SO WE'VE ASKED THEM TO GO AHEAD AND KIND OF RECALCULATE THAT. AND IT IS EFFECTIVELY NOT AN INCREASE, IT'S AN ADDITIONAL $12,000 FOR ALL FUNDS. SO 0.0024 IMPACT ON OUR BUDGET. SO LET LET 2 8 2 TENTHS OF A PERCENT. SO IT, UM, EVEN WITH THAT TO BRING THOSE BACK INTO AN EQUAL PLAYING FIELD AMONG THE THREE DIFFERENT PLANS. THE OTHER THING IS INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET IS A MERIT AND STEP. SO IF YOU'LL REMEMBER, WE HAVE A STEP PROGRAM FOR ALL OF THE UNIFORM PERSONNEL THAT'S POLICE, FIRE AND EMS. THEY'RE IN A STEP SCHEDULE THAT MOVES EACH YEAR. WE HAVE FUNDED THAT, THAT'S 4% AND THAT MAKES UP ABOUT 55, 60% OF THE WORKFORCE. AND THEN THE REMAINDER OF THE WORKFORCE WILL BE ON A MERIT BASED PROGRAM WHERE THEY'LL HAVE A PERFORMANCE REVIEW AND THE EXACT IMPLEMENTATION. AND WE ARE, WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT. THERE'S GONNA BE SOME TWEAKS TO THE WAY WE'VE DONE IT IN THE PAST, FUNCTIONALLY AND INTERNALLY, BUT IT'S EFFECTIVELY A ZERO TO 4% THAT YOU CAN EARN BASED ON YOUR PERFORMANCE EVALUATION AS FAR AS A COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT. AND WE'VE ALWAYS BASED THAT, WE HAVE TRIED TO BASE THAT ON THE ECI INDEX, THE, THE EMPLOYMENT CONDITIONS INDEX. AND, UH, IN THE PAST WE'VE, WE'VE TRIED TO GET IT AS CLOSE TO THAT AS WE CAN. WE ARE NOT INCLUDING A COLA AT THIS TIME, JUST THE MERIT AND STEP BECAUSE OF THE FINANCIAL LIMITATIONS THAT WE'RE UNDER. WE WE'RE NOT INCLUDING AN ECI OR A COLA, AN A AN ECI BASED COLA. SO TALKING ABOUT THE GENERAL FUND, GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES. OH, AND BY THE WAY, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS AS WE GO ALONG, FEEL FREE TO STOP ME. WE CAN STOP DOWN AND HAVE A DISCUSSION. THE STAFF'S ALL HERE, WE CAN EXPLAIN. I GOT, I HAVE A QUESTION. YES. THE, UH, GOING BACK TO THAT SLIDE, UH, THE MERIT AND THE STEP, UH, UH, SOME PERSONNEL ARE GONNA BE ON MERIT AND OTHER PERSONNEL ARE GONNA BE ON STEP OR IS YES. SO ALL UNIFORMED PERSONNEL FROM SAY, POLICE, FIRE AND E MS, LIKE A POLICE OFFICER, A FIREFIGHTER, OR UH, A PARAMEDIC, THEY'RE ALL IN THE STEP PROGRAM. SO THEY GET A 4% STEP EVERY YEAR. EVERYBODY ELSE SAY AN ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT OR, UH, THE SENIOR PLANNER OR THE PARKS WORKER, THEY'RE ALL ON A MERIT PROGRAM. IN THAT MERIT PROGRAM, THEY DO, WE DO A PERFORMANCE EVALUATION FOR THAT INDIVIDUAL. AND BASED ON THAT PERFORMANCE EVALUATION, HOW THEY SCORE, THEY'LL GET SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN ZERO AND 4%. GOTCHA. SO UNIFORM PERSONNEL AND STEP AND ALL OTHERS ON THE MERIT. YES, SIR. GOTCHA. YES, SIR. STEVE, I GOT A QUICK ONE ALSO. YES, SIR. ON, ON THE, UH, HEALTH INSURANCE, YOU SAID YOU HAD TO INCREASE SOME OF THE, UH, THE MAX OUT-OF-POCKET COSTS. DO WE KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY MAX OUT, UH, [00:10:01] ON THEIR HEALTH INSURANCE? DO WE TRACK THAT? WE DO. YEAH. IT, IT, IT, UH, I MEAN WE CAN PROVIDE THAT. I DON'T HAVE IT ON HAND. I WAS JUST WONDERING IF IT'S A SIGNIFICANT, UH, NUMBER OR NOT. SO CONSIDER THE NATURE OF INSURANCE, YOUR POOL MONEY TO TAKE CARE OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE A LOT OF THINGS IN ONE YEAR, RIGHT? MM-HMM . SO IT'S, IT'S A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THE WORKFORCE, BUT TYPICALLY THAT MAKES UP A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF YOUR COSTS. YES, SIR. SO WITH THE MERIT, UH, PROGRAM, IS IT TRY, DO YOU TRY TO MAKE IT LIKE, UM, LIKE A BELL CURVE OR COULD THEORETICALLY A DIVISION HAVE EVERYBODY AT 4%? OR DO YOU TRY TO HAVE, HEY, SUMMIT, SOME ARE LOWER AND SOME ARE JUST EXCEPTIONAL? UH, NO, IT IS NOT A BELL CURVE SCENARIO. IT HAS BEEN IN THE PAST. WELL, JUST TO EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE HOW IT'S BEEN DONE IN SHIRTS IN THE PAST, IT WAS ANOTHER DEPARTMENT HAS ALLOTTED AN AMOUNT OF MONEY AND THEY CAN ONLY SPEND THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY. AND IF THEY FEEL LIKE IN ON AVERAGE PEOPLE SCORED MORE THAN IT WOULD BE FOR THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY THEY'VE HAD TO COME TO ME AND ASK FOR ADDITIONAL MONEY, THIS WILL LIKELY BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. WE ARE, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE STILL, AS A STAFF, WE'RE MAKING A TRANSITION ON HOW THIS HAPPENS AND, BUT MY PHILOSOPHY IS IF EVERYBODY IN THE CLASS EARNS AN A, EVERYBODY GETS AN A, IF EVERYBODY EARNS A B, EVERYBODY GETS A B IF EVERYBODY GETS ET CETERA, ET CETERA. UM, IT'S JUST A PHILOSOPHICAL BELIEF. NOW, NOT EVERYBODY GETS AN A EVERY YEAR. SO LET'S JUST BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT. ALL. ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, SO MOVING ON TO GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES. SO THE TOTAL GENERAL FUND IS $53,731,933. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING FOR THE 26, I MEAN, 25, 26 FISCAL YEAR. IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SAY THAT Y'ALL, 'CAUSE THIS IS MY 30TH MUNICIPAL BUDGET IN A ROW, AND I ALMOST SAID 95, 96. OKAY. SO THAT'S AN INCREASE OF 1 MILLION OR 1.1 MILLION OR 2.2% FROM THE ORIGINAL BUDGET TO THE PROPOSED BUDGET. ALL RIGHT. BUT IT'S ACTUALLY A DECREASE OF 1.18 MILLION OR 2.2 NEGATIVE 2.2% FROM THE AMENDED BUDGET TO THE PROPOSED BUDGET. SO THERE'S SOME THINGS, WE HAD SOME BUDGET AMENDMENTS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR THAT HAVE CAUSED, UH, THE, THE EXPENDITURE BUDGET TO GO UP. SO WE'RE ACTUALLY PROPOSING A LOWER, UH, A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN IT WAS WHEN WE ADOPTED THE BUDGET LAST YEAR. A LITTLE BIT LOWER THAN WHERE THE AMENDED BUDGET IS RIGHT NOW. SO SOME OF WHAT'S, WHAT'S DRIVING THAT UP, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE DRIVING IT UP ARE, WE ARE FULLY FUNDING SOME OF THE POSITIONS THAT WE BROUGHT ON LAST YEAR. A COUPLE OF 'EM, WE BROUGHT 'EM ON MIDYEAR, SO NOW WE'RE REALIZING THE FULL YEAR COST OF THAT. WE ALSO HAVE A LIST OF SUPPLEMENTAL REQUESTS, WHICH I'LL GET TO, AND SARAH, IF WE WANNA PASS THAT STUFF OUT. YEAH. AND THE BIG SHEET AND EVERYTHING. SO WE HAVE SUPPLEMENTAL REQUESTS. AND WHAT IS THE SUPPLEMENTAL REQUEST? YOU'RE PROBABLY ASKING YOURSELF. IT IS NOW THE NEW TERMINOLOGY THAT WE'RE USING, WHAT WE USED TO SAY, EXPANDED PROGRAMS. SO SINCE IT'S A, IT'S A SUPPLEMENT TO WHAT YOU ALREADY HAVE, WE'VE KIND OF SWITCHED THE TERMINOLOGY TO A SUPPLEMENTAL REQUEST AND WE'LL GO THROUGH ALL OF THE FUNDS. ALL THE FUNDS HAD SUPPLEMENTAL REQUESTS. AND WHAT YOU'RE GETTING RIGHT NOW IS A DETAIL OF WHAT WAS REQUESTED, WHAT IS INCLUDED. SO IE BELOW THE CUT LINE FOR THE, SAY THE GENERAL FUND AND EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN INCLUDED. AND THEN ALSO WE HAD AN OFFSET WHY, I MEAN, WHY IS IT GOING DOWN, RIGHT? UH, WE HAD FEWER CAP, UH, OR WHY IS IT NOT GROWING AS MUCH AS IT SEEMS LIKE IT SHOULD GROW BECAUSE WE HAVE FEWER CAPITAL REPLACEMENTS. WE HAD A FIRE ENGINE THAT WAS BUDGETED LAST, OR IN THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR, THAT WON'T BE REPEATED NEXT YEAR. AND THEN WE ALSO BUDGET ADDITIONAL STREET MAINTENANCE FUNDS LAST YEAR THAT NOW HAVE KIND OF BEEN SHIFTED INTO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. AND SOME OF THAT WILL ACTUALLY BE FUNDED WITH DEBT. SO JUST HERE'S A HISTORICAL LOOK AT THE FINAL AMENDED GENERAL FUND BUDGET. SO THIS IS AFTER ALL THE AMENDMENTS AT THE END OF EACH FISCAL YEAR. YOU CAN SEE IN 21, 22, WE ARE AT 20, UH, 42.5 MILLION. AND TODAY IN PROPOSING FOR 25, 26 IS 53.7 MILLION. ON THE [00:15:01] PERSONNEL SIDE, YOU CAN SEE THE PERSONNEL GROWTH AS WELL. SEVERAL POSITIONS HAVE BEEN ADDED SINCE 22, 23, AND AS WELL AS COST INCREASES IN IMPLEMENTED, WE HAVE GONE FROM A BUD A BUDGETED AMOUNT OF 30 MILLION TO 37.1 MILLION. AND I THINK THIS IS MAYBE A GOOD TIME TO COMMENT ABOUT, YOU CAN SEE HOW THE EXPENDITURE AMOUNT IS LESS THAN THE BUDGETED AMOUNT IN 22, 23 AND 2324 WILL IN 23, 24 IS WHEN WE IMPLEMENTED THE RESULTS OF THE CLASS AND COMP STUDY. AND WE HAVE SEEN A SUSTAINED IMPROVEMENT, DRAMATIC IMPROVEMENT, IN MY OPINION, OF A 6% VACANCY RATE HOVERING RIGHT AROUND THAT AND LESS THAN 10% TURNOVER RATE. SO THAT IS EXCEPTIONALLY WELL IN, IN MY ESTIMATION IN THIS BUSINESS, IT TYPICALLY HOVERS AROUND AT LEAST 12% TO 13% VACANCY, SOMETIMES UP TO 17, 18% DEPENDING ON THE TIMES IN THE ORGANIZATION. AND ANYWHERE FROM 15 TO 20% TURNOVER DEPENDING ON THE ORGANIZATION AND THE TIMES. SO WE'VE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL. I DON'T WANNA SAY THAT IT'S ALL THE CLASS AND COMP, BUT THAT WAS A PART OF IT. AND PRIORITY NUMBER ONE WAS TO KEEP US PACED WITH THE MARKET IN TERMS OF SALARY AND KIND OF STAY IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT MARKET. AND I BELIEVE IT HAS PAID SIGNIFICANT, IT'S BEEN A CONTRIBUTOR TO PAYING SIGNIFICANT DIVIDENDS. NOW WE'VE DONE A LOT OF OTHER THINGS AS AN ORGANIZATION AND, UH, IN TERMS OF ORGANIZATIONAL CULTURE AND THE, THE WAY WE, WE APPROACH THINGS TO, TO IMPROVE THAT. SO THE OPERATING MONEY, THAT'S KIND OF EVERYTHING ELSE. THAT'S NOT CAPITAL OR PERSONNEL. AND WE HAVE IMP WE'VE ACTUALLY INCREASED JUST A LITTLE BIT, NOT MU UM, NOT A DRAMATIC INCREASE FROM 12.8 MILLION. I MEAN, I'M SORRY, YEAH, 12.8 MILLION BUDGETED TO 14.6 BUDGETED OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS. AND THEN CAPITAL OUTLAY, WE ACTUALLY ARE GOING DOWN AND COMPARING YEAR TO YEAR ON THIS ONE WE BUDGETED 4.8 LAST YEAR, OF COURSE WE HAD THAT FIRETRUCK IN THERE AND WE HAD SOME FLEET REPLA, OTHER FLEET REPLACEMENTS AND SOME SMALLER CAPITAL ITEMS. WE ENDED UP, WE WILL, WE ARE PROJECTING TO SPEND 4 MILLION OF THAT. AND THEN NEXT YEAR YOU CAN SEE THE NUMBER GOES DOWN TO $1.9 MILLION. NOW WHAT WE'VE DONE THERE IS THERE ARE SOME FLEET REPLACEMENTS THAT WE HAVE PUSHED OUT A YEAR KIND OF REEVALUATING THE THINGS THAT WERE ON THE REPLACEMENT PLAN FOR THIS YEAR. WE, IN OUR FIVE, FIVE-YEAR FORECAST, WE HAVE ACTUALLY SHIFTED MOST OF THOSE OUT BY ONE YEAR TO ADDRESS THE SITUATION THAT WE'RE IN WITH OUR PROPERTY TAX AS WELL AS TO ALLOW FOR OTHER, SOME OTHER CAPITAL ITEMS TO BE REPLACED, SOME OTHER ONE TIME AND CAPITAL ITEMS TO BE REPLACED IN THE GENERAL FUND. SO, SHIFTING GEARS, ANY QUESTIONS SO FAR? OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO THERE ARE $2.8 MILLION WORTH OF SUPPLEMENTAL REQUESTS INCLUDED IN THE GENERAL FUND BASED ON THE, THE PROPOSED BUDGET THAT I'M PROPOSING. SO THE, YOU CAN SEE 'EM THERE. SO THE FIRST ONE IS THE ASSISTANT CITY SECRETARY THAT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD AND THE SPECIAL ELECTION COST. THESE WERE SOMETHING THAT, THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS PRESENTED TO Y'ALL A COUPLE OF COUNCIL MEETINGS AGO. SO WE HAVE PUT THAT ON THE LIST. ALSO. WE HAVE WHAT THAT SAYS, UTILITY RATE INCREASE. WHAT THAT MEANS IS THERE ARE OTHER UTILITY COMPANIES THAT WE USE, THEIR UTILITIES LIKE ELECTRIC AND GAS, ET CETERA, THEIR RATES HAVE GONE UP. AND SO WE ARE PUTTING MORE MONEY IN THE BUDGET FOR THAT. WE ALSO ARE EXPERIENCING A POSTAGE INCREASE FOR THE SHIRTS MAGAZINE. SO WE'VE PUT $10,000 IN FOR THAT, BUT WE, WE INTEND TO INCREASE THE ADVERTISING FEES TO OFFSET, SO THERE'S A REVENUE OFFSET FOR THAT ONE AND THE CREDIT CARD SERVICES FEES. SO EVERY TIME THERE'S A CREDIT CARD TRANSACTION, THERE WAS A MERCHANT SERVICE FEE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. AND THE CITY ELECTED YEARS AGO TO ABSORB THAT FEE ON EVERY CREDIT CARD TRANSACTION, THE AMOUNT OF TRANSACTIONS THAT WE HAVE HAS GONE UP SIGNIFICANTLY. SO WE NEED TO ADD SOME MONEY IN THE BUDGET FOR THAT. THE EMS CONTRACT, AND YOU'LL REMEMBER THREE MONTHS AGO MAYBE NOW, JASON GAVE A PRESENTATION AND OVERALL HIS BUDGET IS ABOUT $14 MILLION THIS YEAR. SO IT'S A $14 MILLION BUDGET, BUT ROUGHLY, AND MOST OF THAT IS FUNDED BY THE RIDES THAT THEY GIVE AND THE CARE THAT THEY GIVE. 33% OF IT IS, COMES FROM A DIRECT [00:20:01] CONTRIBUTION FROM THE MEMBER ENTITIES. SO THERE ARE 10 MEMBER ENTITIES. THEY ALL CONTRIBUTE SOME AMOUNT BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF POPULATION ON A PER CAPITA BASIS FOR EACH OF THOSE ENTITIES. SO WE ARE, WE ARE, BECAUSE OF A NUMBER OF REASONS THAT JASON HAS ALREADY EXPLAINED, WE CAN GO OVER AGAIN IF YOU LIKE. THE REASON WHY WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A GAP. THERE'S A, THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT REASONS, BUT WE NEED TO FILL THAT GAP. AND THE WAY THAT WE DO THAT, THERE'S A COUPLE OF STRATEGIES AND, AND WHEN I GET TO THE EMS, WE'LL WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT. THERE'S SOME FEE INCREASE INCLUDED, BUT THERE'S ALSO A CONTRIBUTION IN INCREASE INCLUDED. AND WHAT JASON HAS DONE, HE IS GONE BACK TO SEVEN OF THE ENTITIES. EIGHT. EIGHT OF THE ENTITIES. YEAH. WE'LL HAVE EIGHT CITIES THAT WE'RE DOING THIS FOR. EIGHT CITIES THAT JASON HAS GONE BACK TO AND REQUESTED AN AMENDMENT TO THEIR CONTRACT TO ALLOW FOR MULTI-YEAR INCREASES ROUGHLY OVER THREE YEARS, 45%? CORRECT. IS THAT ROUGHLY DEPENDING ON THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN THEY CHOOSE? IT'S A PERCENT OR TWO, IT'S 45%, SIR, IT'S 45% TOTAL OVER THREE YEARS, 45%. SO WE ARE ONE OF THOSE CITIES, SO WE HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT WE ARE ROUGHLY E 25% OR SO OF THAT 33% OF THAT 30 MILLION, 13 MILLION, $14 MILLION. WE ALSO HAVE SOME SCBA REPLACEMENTS. SO THAT'S, UH, THE BREATHING APPARATUS FOR OUR FIREFIGHTERS. WE'RE, WE'RE IMPLEMENTING A REPLACEMENT OF ALL OF THOSE. THIS IS A DO HALF OF THEM THIS YEAR AND HALF OF THEM NEXT YEAR PLAN. WE ARE ALSO FULLY FUNDING THE FIREFIGHTERS FOR STATION FOUR, AND THAT'LL BRING US UP TO FULL STAFFING. SO WHEN WE OPEN UP THAT STATION AT THE END OF NEXT FISCAL YEAR, BEGINNING OF THE, THE 26, 27 FISCAL YEAR WILL BE FULLY STAFFED AND READY TO GO. NOW, GREG HAS BROUGHT TO Y'ALL BEFORE A COUPLE, UM, MAYBE A MONTH OR SO AGO, CAME AND TALKED ABOUT THE, WHERE WE WERE APPLYING FOR THE SAFER GRANT. THANK YOU. THE SAFER GRANT, WHICH ACTUALLY SUBSIDIZES THE FIRST FEW YEARS OF, OF THE, THE HIRING OF FIREFIGHTERS. SO HOPEFULLY WE WILL GET IT, IF WE DO GET IT, LIKELY IT WILL NOT NECESSARILY DECREASE THE AMOUNT THAT YOU SEE IN THE BUDGET, BUT IT WILL ACCELERATE OUR ABILITY TO HIRE THEM. WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL MOVE IT UP SINCE WE HAVE THE EXTRA MONEY TO GET THAT DONE. AND IT REALLY DOESN'T HAVE A FISCAL IMPACT ON US, BUT IT WILL HELP US ACTUALLY IN THE SUBSEQUENT FISCAL YEARS AS WELL BY RELIEVING SOME OF THAT BURDEN FOR A FEW YEARS. AND THEN MERIT AND STEP, WHICH YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN THAT WAS A SUPPLEMENTAL. SO EVEN THE THINGS LIKE THE INSURANCE, IF THERE'S AN INCREASE INSURANCE OR AN INCREASE IN MERIT AND STEP OR COLA, WE ARE CONSIDERING THAT AS A SUPPLEMENTAL REQUEST. SO KEEPING ON WITH THE LIST, AND I'M GOING THROUGH THE, THE FUNDED ONES IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL VERSUS THE ONES THAT ARE NOT FUNDED. BUT, AND I'LL COMMENT SINCE YOU ALL HAVE THE SHEETS IN FRONT OF YOU. NOW, THE, THE WAY THE REQUESTS ARE REVIEWED IS THAT THE DEPARTMENT LEVEL, EACH DEPARTMENT RANKS THEIR REQUESTS THAT THEY'RE GONNA SUBMIT. THOSE REQUESTS ALL GET CONSOLIDATED IN BY FUND. SO ALL THE GENERAL FUNDS TOGETHER, ALL THE WATER SEWERS TOGETHER, ALL THE MS TOGETHER, AND THEN THEY ARE RANKED BY THE EXECUTIVE TEAM. SO THE EXECUTIVE TEAM, WHICH COVERS THE ENTIRE ORGANIZATION, WILL GO THROUGH AND THEY'LL ALL HAVE A RANKING FOR EACH OF THOSE ITEMS. AND THEN THEY'LL PLACE IN A RANK ORDER AND THERE'LL BE AN AVERAGE OF THAT RANK. AND THEN THEY'LL SIT DOWN AGAIN AND DISCUSS AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING THEY MISSED AND MAYBE MAKE ANY TWEAKS. AND THEN THAT COMES TO ME TO REVIEW AND DISCUSS. AND ULTIMATELY WHAT, SO WHAT YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU IS GENERALLY THE RANKING. NOW I'LL EXPLAIN IN A FEW MINUTES WHEN WE GET TO THE CUT LINE ABOUT SOME THINGS THAT GOT MOVED UP BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME, WE HAVE MORE ONE-TIME MONEY THAN WE DO ONGOING MONEY. SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE CAPITAL REPLACEMENT STUFF. SO KEEPING ON, WE HAVE SOME CYBERSECURITY UPGRADES. THERE'S, THERE'S MULTIPLE ITEMS FOR THAT. WE HAVE A NEW PA SYSTEM FOR THE LIBRARY, WHICH IS TO ENHANCE SAFETY IN CASE THERE'S AN EMERGENCY NEW CAMERA, NEW SECURITY CAMERAS AND LICENSES. THAT IS ALSO TO ENHANCE SECURITY IN SOME OF OUR BUILDINGS ON THIS CAMPUS. AND THEN THE, WHAT YOU'LL HEAR OUR PRESENTATION ON A LITTLE BIT LATER IS THE SOCCER OPERATIONS AND THE SENIOR CENTER OPERATIONS. BOTH OF THOSE COME WITH A REVENUE OFFSET OR THE MAJORITY OF THE EXPENDITURES ALREADY [00:25:01] EXIST IN THE GENERAL FUND. SO THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE MINIMAL FISCAL IMPACT ON THE GENERAL FUND. WE ALSO HAVE A RADIO RENEWAL, WHICH MEANS REPLACEMENTS. SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE A REPLACEMENT PROGRAM OF ALL OF THE POLICE RADIOS, AND THAT'LL BE FOR SEVEN YEARS. AND SO THIS IS THE FIRST YEAR OF THAT PROCESS. WE'RE ALSO REPLACING OUR NETWORK SWITCHES AND SOME SOFTWARE AND POLICE VEHICLES IN THE COMPUTERS. AND THEN WE'RE UPDATING ADOBE LICENSES. AND SO YOU'RE GONNA SEE ON THAT LIST, THERE ARE A LOT OF IT RELATED THINGS RELATED TO NETWORK SECURITY AND EQUIPMENT THAT IS AGING. UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE ACTUAL NETWORK EQUIPMENT ITSELF NEEDS TO BE REPLACED AND SERVERS UPGRADED, ET CETERA. THE LAST ONE IS THE A TWO PROGRAM, THE ASSISTANT TWO PROGRAM THAT I'VE TALKED TO Y'ALL, WHERE WE'LL TAKE A, AN EXISTING EMPLOYEE AND PROVIDE US A NOMINAL STIPEND THAT'S $3,000 IN THE GENERAL FUND, A NOMINAL STIPEND FOR THEM TO, UM, TAKE ON ADDITIONAL DUTIES IN MY OFFICE, SPECIAL PROJECTS. ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GONNA SWITCH OVER TO THE GENERAL FUND. WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS I'M GONNA HAND THE MIC TO JAMES AND HE'S GONNA GET UP HERE AND GIVE YOU ALL THE GOOD NEWS. ALRIGHT, GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS JAMES WALTERS, FINANCE DIRECTOR HERE FOR THE CITY OF SHIRTZ. I'LL TOUCH ON THE GENERAL FUND REVENUES, AND OF COURSE, THE MAIN SOURCE OF REVENUE FOR THE GENERAL FUND IS PROPERTY TAXES. UH, AND THE ONE AREA THAT WE DISCUSS, UH, EVERY YEAR AS FAR AS THE IMPACT, UH, TO OF THOSE PROPERTY TAXES IS THE DVHS SALE VETERAN HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION. UH, WE HAVE THE NEW NUMBERS IN FOR THE TAX YEAR OF 2025, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW. AND CONGRATULATIONS TO US. WE HAVE BROKE THE $1 BILLION OF EXEMPT VALUE NUMBER NOW FOR THE 2025. WE ALMOST GOT IT LAST YEAR. WE WERE SO CLOSE, BUT THIS YEAR WE GOT IT. UM, SO IT'S, IT'S AN ACCOMPLISHMENT. UM, BUT WHAT THAT DOES, WHAT WE DO HAVE TO ADDRESS IN OUR BUDGETARY, UH, REVIEW AND THE BUDGET WE PUT FORWARD IN OUR PLANS GOING, UM, IN OUR FUTURE IS WHAT THAT KIND OF DOES TO OUR TAX RATE AND HOW MUCH REVENUE WE CAN GENERATE. AND WITH THIS EXEMPTION, UH, TOTALS ABOUT $5.7 MILLION NOW IN TAXES THAT WE WOULD HAVE RECEIVED HAD THIS NOT BEEN AN EXEMPTION ALLOWED, UH, OR A EXEMPTION IN THIS IN THE CITY. UM, SO IF WE HAD OUR, OUR, OUR TAX RATE, LET'S SAY, IF WE DECIDED, EH, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE NOT GONNA KEEP THE CURRENT TAX RATE, WE'RE GONNA TAKE ALL THE TAX REVENUE AND EXPAND OUR PROGRAMS LIKE OTHER CITIES THAT, UH, AND SERVICE THE OTHER, LIKE OTHER CITIES WOULD HAVE IF THEY HAD AN EXTRA $5.7 MILLION IF THIS, IF THE TAX RATE, UH, WE BASICALLY, WE COULD HAVE SAID, NOPE, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT. WE'RE GONNA TAKE OUR 49 50 CENT TAX RATE AND DROP IT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 40 AND WE OPERATE JUST HOW WE'RE DOING NOW. SO, UH, IT'S GONNA GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE OVERALL IMPACT AND WHAT THAT $5.7 MILLION WOULD WOULD DO FOR THE CITY. WE CAN DROP OUR TAX RATE BY, UM, 20% BASICALLY, UH, OR WE COULD USE THOSE FUNDS TO EXPAND OUR PROGRAM OFFERINGS HERE IN THE CITY. SO THE NEW NUMBERS, UH, WERE UP A LITTLE BIT MORE AS FAR AS THE PERCENTAGE OF TOTAL HOMESTEADS INSUREDS, UH, WITH A-D-V-H-S EXEMPTION. SO WE'RE NOW AT 23% OF HOMESTEADS, UH, HAVE A-D-V-H-S EXEMPTION FOR 2025, ALMOST ONE IN FOUR, UH, HOMES THAT PEOPLE HAVE CLAIMED TO BE THEIR PRIMARY RESIDENCE, UM, ARE NOW DVHS EXEMPT. ABOUT 55% OF THOSE HOMESTEADS HAVE SOME SORT OF DISABLED VETERAN EXEMPTION. UM, THE, THE LARGEST ONE WITH THE MOST EXEMPTION VALUE IS THE DVHS 'CAUSE A HUNDRED PERCENT EXEMPT. THE OTHER ONES HAVE A PERCENTAGE BASED, UH, FROM ONE TO FOUR. SO WITH THE DVHS UPDATE, THE 89TH LEGISLATION, UH, SPECIAL SESSION'S STILL GONNA GO ON, BUT THE OTHER ONE CONCLUDED, UH, BUT THEY HAVE NO CHANGE IN THE STATE FUNDING FOR THEIR AID PROGRAM THIS YEAR. UH, SO THEY DID NOT END UP CHANGING ANY AID PROGRAM. HOWEVER, THE PROGRAM WAS AMENDED AND WILL ALLOW FOR A COUPLE OF ADDITIONAL ENTITIES NOW TO APPLY FOR AID. SO AGAIN, THEY'RE GONNA ADD, THEY HAVE ADDED THE ABILITY FOR MORE PEOPLE TO APPLY, BUT THEN NOT CHANGE THE OVERALL AMOUNT THAT THEY HAND OUT, UH, IN AID TO CITIES, WHICH MEANS EVERYONE THAT CURRENTLY GETS THE, UH, AID FROM THIS PROGRAM, THEIR CUT WILL BE SMALLER. UM, HOW OTHER CITIES WE'VE, WE'VE SEEN, UH, WITH HIGH DVHS, UH, CONTINUE TO OPERATE AND WHAT THEY DO TO THEIR OPERATIONS, THEY TEND TO HAVE A SLIGHTLY HIGHER TAX RATE OVERALL, UM, THAN THE STATE AVERAGE TO HELP COMPENSATE FOR THE, THE DVHS PROGRAM. SO IN 2022, IN 2025, THE ONE WE JUST GOT AWARDED FOR THE, THE YEARS A LITTLE WONKY, BUT THE, BASICALLY THE APPLICATION, WE JUST GOT THE MONEY, WE JUST GOT THAT PROGRAM. ACTUALLY THREE MORE ENTITIES HAVE [00:30:01] DECIDED THAT THEY, UM, CAN APPLY FOR AID SO THAT THE TOTAL ENTITIES ARE NOW UP TO 12. THE TOTAL REQUEST WAS $54 MILLION. AND AGAIN, THE STATE BUDGET IS 9.5. SO IF THE PROGRAM WAS FULLY FUNDED, THE STATE WOULD HAVE AT LEAST $54 MILLION IN THEIR BUDGETARY LINE. UM, HOWEVER, THEY'VE, THEY'VE, THEY'RE AT 9.5 AND THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW. SO JAMES, IF I COULD JUST COMMENT REALLY QUICKLY IN THE INITIAL YEAR, YOU CAN SEE IT'S 2.5 VERSUS THE 3.2. THAT'S ROUGHLY 79%. THEY, UH, COMMITTED TO RESTORE 98%. SO EVEN FROM THE GET GO, IT WAS NOT FULLY FUNDED. TODAY, YOU CAN SEE IT'S 9.5 VERSUS 54 MILLION, WHICH IS 17%. SO IT IS NOT LIVING UP TO WHAT THE LEGISLATURE SAID IT WOULD BE WHEN THEY IMPLEMENTED THE PROGRAM. SO NOT QUITE FIVE TIMES THE STATE BUDGET, ALMOST FIVE TIMES THEY INCREASED THEIR BUDGET, BUT, UH, SLIGHTLY MORE THAN THAT NUMBER OF REQUESTS RECEIVED. SO IF WE GO LOOK AT THE, WE CAN PULL UP, IT'S A LITTLE SMALL ON THE SCREEN, I'LL MAKE IT BIGGER, BUT IF WE LOOK AT THE ACTUAL PAYMENT INFORMATION, WAS THAT $54 MILLION THAT WAS RECEIVED? THIS IS THEIR BUDGET, 9.5, 9.5. IT'S BASICALLY 9.5 EACH YEAR. AGAIN, 9.5 EACH YEAR. AND THEY THEN THEY WERE AT THE 3.25 BACK THEN AND TWO AND A HALF THE START. UH, BUT THE NEW ENTITIES THAT RECCE, UH, THAT APPLIED THIS YEAR WAS WICHITA COUNTY. THEY WERE NOT THERE ON BEFORE CITY OF TEMPLE ALSO APPLIED. AND THE OTHER NEW ONE WAS KAMAL COUNTY ALSO APPLIED. BUT YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE IMPACT OF THE, OF THE CITY'S BELL COUNTY, 12 MILLION, GOT 2 MILLION. CITY OF EL PASO ASKED FOR NINE, THEY GET 1.6. AND THIS IS NOT JUST ASK IF THIS, THE PROGRAM WAS FULLY FUNDED, EVERYTHING IN THIS LEFT COLUMN WOULD BE AWARDED IF IT WAS FULLY FUNDED. THEY FAIR OAKS RANCH, UH, KILLIN WAS 9.3. THEY GOT 1.6. CITY OF SHIRTS, WE ASKED FOR 3.9, WE GOT 690,000, UH, TEMPLE 1.4. SO, AND THIS IS STATED ON THE COMPTROLLER'S WEBSITE. IT JUST WENT STRAIGHT THERE. AND I MADE A PREVIOUS COMMENT IN THAT SLIDE HOW OTHER CITIES HANDLE HIGH DVH A'S EX TVHS EXEMPTIONS. UM, THIS IS A LIST OF THEIR TAXABLE VALUE AND THE TAX RATES THEY HAVE. UM, AND THESE ARE JUST THE CITIES THAT ARE IN THE PROGRAM. THIS IS DONE, DOESN'T INCLUDE OTHER CITIES THAT AREN'T IN THE PROGRAM. UH, SO THESE PEOPLE ARE AT LEAST GETTING SOMETHING BACK. UH, AND YOU'LL NOTICE THERE IS, UH, FAIR OAKS RANCH WITH 2.8, SORRY, 0.28 IS THE LOWEST, UH, THE HIGHEST BEATING EL PASO WITH 0.76. SUREZ IS ACTUALLY THE SECOND LOWEST TAX RATE IN THIS LIST OF 0.49. AND EVERYONE ELSE IS ABOVE FIVE UNIVERSAL STATE 5.1. THEY'RE VERY CLOSE. AND THEN EVERYONE ELSE IS SIX IN THE SIXTIES. THANK YOU. AN IDEA OF THE IMPACT OF THE OVERALL OF THIS DVHS EXEMPTION HAS ON THE CITIES. THEY'RE, UM, AFFECTED BY THIS, THE, IN HIGHER, HIGHER QUANTITIES NOW FOR THE 2025 PROPERTY VALUES. SO THE 2024 TAXABLE VALUE, THE ONE WE'RE WORKING ON THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR, UH, WAS $5.5 BILLION. THOSE SAME PROPERTIES THIS YEAR DECREASE TO $5.4 BILLION. SO FROM THE FIRST TIME IN A LONG TIME, WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD A LOWER VALUE IN THE CITY OF SHIRTS, ABOUT $83 MILLION LED BY, UH, RESIDENTIAL HOMESTEAD VALUES. BUT WE HAD A LOT OF REAL RAPID GROWTH IN RESIDENTIAL HOMESTEAD VALUES THE PAST FEW YEARS POSSIBLY KIND OF CREATED A BUBBLE AND MAYBE THAT BUBBLE'S COOLING OFF. MAYBE NOT POPPED, BUT COOL, COOL IT OFF. NO, NO COMMENT. UM, UH, SO YEAH, SO WE'VE, WE'VE SEEN THIS, UH, GUADALUPE AND AL HAVE BEEN RELATIVELY FLAT. THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF GROWTH IN RESIDENTIAL HOMESTEADS, BUT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF DECREASE. SO THEY'RE REALLY, REALLY IN LINE, UH, SADLY WHERE WE DID SEE THIS, UH, EFFECT IS IN GUADALUPE COUNTY. SO GUADALUPE COUNTY, AND I'LL SHOW YOU ANOTHER SLIDE AS WELL, UH, RESIDENTIAL HOMESTEAD VALUE DECREASE ABOUT ALMOST $200 MILLION. AND THAT REALLY OFFSET, UH, OTHER INCREASES LIKE, UH, COMMERCIAL STILL DOING GOOD. THOSE VALUES STILL INCREASED. IT WAS REALLY TARGETED TOWARD THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL HOMESTEAD. WE DID HAVE 254, 250 $5 MILLION OF NEW CONSTRUCTION BEING ADDED TO THE TAX ROLL AS WELL AS THE ANNEXATIONS. THAT'S THE COMBINED NUMBER OF ANNEXATIONS AND THE NEW DEVELOPMENT. SO OVERALL, THE TAXABLE VALUE IN THE CITY OF CHURCH DID GO UP 171 MILLION. [00:35:02] SO FOR 2025, WE HAVE $5.6 BILLION OF TAXABLE VALUE. THIS IS WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT JUST A SECOND AGO. INCREASE IN NEW CONSTRUCTION, ANNEXATION AND GUPA COUNTY RESIDENTIAL HOMESTEAD VALUE DROPPED $192 MILLION. UM, THAT WOULD EQUATE TO SAY IF THEY DIDN'T DROP, THAT WOULD EQUATE TO ABOUT $640,000 REVENUE FOR THE CITY, FOR THE GENERAL FUND AND INS FUND. AND I MENTIONED DVHS BROKE $1 BILLION ON THE PLUS SIDE SILVER LINING. IT WAS ACTUALLY THE LOWEST INCREASE. WE'VE SEEN ONLY 8.6 AS OPPOSED TO 20% THAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE YEARS PAST. HOWEVER, WE ALSO HAD ANOTHER, UM, ADJUSTMENT TO OUR, OUR TAXES THIS YEAR. A BUNCH OF DBHS APPLICATIONS GOT APPROVED AND THEN WERE MADE RETROACTIVE. SO THIS YEAR WE ACTUALLY REFUNDED ABOUT $675,000, UM, ON, UM, REFUNDINGS. SO THEY MADE IT RETROACTIVE. SO IT'S LIKE, OH, HERE'S YOUR AWARD. OH, YOU APPLIED THREE YEARS AGO. WELL, WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU A COUPLE YEARS BACK AND THEN ADJUST YOUR TAX BILL THIS YEAR. SO WE SAW THAT AS WELL. SO WE TAKE THAT, WE LOOK AT THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE, IT'S THE RATE FOR WHICH TO GENERATE THE SAME REVENUE FOR THE CITY ON PROPERTIES THAT WERE IN BOTH TAX YEARS. SO IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT $250 MILLION OF ANNEXATIONS IN NEW PROPERTY, WE WOULD SAY WE'D GO WITH THIS RATE AND WE'LL GET THE EXACT SAME AMOUNT OF PROPERTY TAX REVENUE AS BEFORE. WE HAVE THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE, WHICH IS THE HIGHEST RATE COUNCIL CAN GO WITHOUT TRIGGERING ELECTION. I'LL SHOW YOU THE CURRENT RATE AND OUR PROPOSED RATE, BUT WE'LL ASK COUNCIL TO DO ON TUESDAY. IF SET A PRELIMINARY MAXIMUM TAX RATE THAT'LL GO ON ALL THE NOTICES IT'LL SET IF WE HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE NOT. UM, AND, UH, AND THE, AND OTHER NOTICE REQUIREMENTS BASED ON WHAT RATE WE DECIDE TO GO WITH, OUR CURRENT RATE IS 0.49 REFRESHER. THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE IS 0.5064. THE BUDGET THAT WAS, UH, GONNA BE SUBMITTED OR PROPOSED NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS BALANCED AT THAT RATE. THE VOTER APPROVAL IS 0.5350 AND A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION ON THE IMPACT. ONE PENNY ON THE TAX RATE IS EQUAL TO ABOUT $573,000 OF REVENUE GENERATED, OR ABOUT $33 AND 18 CENTS PER YEAR ON THE AVERAGE HOME. BUT WHAT THAT WOULD DO, THE MO WOULD GO FROM 3 3, 2, 6 TO 3 3 8, 3 INS WOULD GO FROM 1574 TO 1681 FOR A TOTAL OF 49 TO 50 64. I WENT, I CAN GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE IF YOU WANT, BUT I WAS, UH, LOOK THROUGH REAL QUICK. SO THE ESTIMATED IMPACT ON THE TAX BILLS AT EACH A DIFFERENT RATE. SO NO NEW REVENUE ON AVERAGE SHOULD KEEP ALL OF THE TAX BILLS THE SAME AS BEFORE. ESTIMATED TAX BILL WILL BE ABOUT $1,680. SO OUT OF YOUR 4,500, 5,000 TAX BILL, ONLY ABOUT 1,600, IT'S ACTUALLY THE CITY'S PORTION. THAT'S IF WE GO WITH NO REVENUE RATE, WE ACTUALLY BELIEVE ON AVERAGE THE TAX BILLS WILL REMAIN THE SAME. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THAT PARTICULAR, UH, TAX RATE. SO WE'LL GENERATE THE SAME AMOUNT OF REVENUE, UH, FROM EACH PROPERTY THAT WE'RE, UH, THAT'S IN THE CITY VOTER APPROVAL RATE, GO TO THE HIGHEST RATE POSSIBLE. THE ESTIMATED TAX BILL WOULD GO TO 1746 WOULD BE A $94 $95 INCREASE, OR ABOUT 5.6% THE PROPOSED RATE. AGAIN, NO NEW REVENUE. THEORETICALLY NO CHANGE IN YOUR BILL. INDIVIDUAL RESULTS MAY VARY. IF YOUR HOME WENT DOWN MORE THAN A COUPLE PERCENTAGE POINTS IN VALUE, YOU'LL GET A LOWER TAX BILL. IF YOUR HOME WENT UP, UH, YOU WOULD GET A SLIGHTLY HIGHER TAX BILL. AND THEN FOR REFERENCE, IF WE KEPT THE CURRENT TAX RATE OF 0.49, THE ESTIMATED TAX BILL WOULD DROP TO 1626. IT WOULD BE AN AVERAGE ANNUAL DECREASE OF $54 AND 42 CENTS, ABOUT 3.2%. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE IMPACT OF THAT LOWER PROPERTY VALUE THAT WE SAW COME THROUGH. UM, AND TO GET, UH, FRAME UP AGAIN, THE HIGHEST POSSIBLE THAT, UH, THE COUNCIL COULD IMPACT WITHOUT GOING TO THE VOTERS WITH THE $94 $95, THAT TRANSLATES TO JUST UNDER $8 PER MONTH IF YOU DO AN ESCROW. SO THE TAX BILLS ARE BASED ON THE AVERAGE TAXABLE HOME VALUES OF 2025, WHICH IS 331,000 HERE IN SHIRTZ. KINDA GIVE YOU A FRAME OF REFERENCE. AGAIN, THIS IS THE HISTORIC M AND O TAX RATES. SO IF THIS IS THE FUND, THE MONEY THAT GOES AND FUNDS THE GENERAL FUND PORTION, THAT'S THE POLICE FIRE. UM, IT'S THE STREETS PARKS. UM, SO 3, 3 8 3 IS PROPOSED. IT WAS NOT THE HIGHEST IT'S EVER BEEN, BUT HIGHER THAN THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS. AND WE SAW, AGAIN, [00:40:01] REAL HIGH HOME PRICES INCREASE, WE'RE ABLE TO LOWER THE, IN THE TAX RATE, HOME VALUES DECREASE, UM, RESULTS IN, THAT'S HOW, THAT'S THAT SWING THAT THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE DOES. WHEN HOME VALUES GO UP. NO NEW REVENUE GOES DOWN. WHEN HOME VALUES GO DOWN, NO NEW REVENUE GRADE GOES UP. WE GET THE SAME AMOUNT OF TAX MONEY, WHEREAS AS THE INS, UM, IT'S THE HIGHEST WE, WE WOULD BE IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS, 1681. AND THE OVERALL TOTAL 50 64 SINCE 2019, NOT THE HIGHEST, BUT NOT THE LOWEST, UH, FAIRLY AVERAGE TAX RATE, IS IT THAT THE NO NEW REVENUE TAX RATE. ALRIGHT, BEFORE I MOVE ON TO THE, THE OTHER SOURCES OF REVENUE, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS OVER THE TAXES, TAX RATE, TAX VALUES, WOULD THE, HOW WOULD OUR RATE CHANGE OR BE AFFECTED WITH THAT NEW SENATE BILL NINE THAT THEY'RE TAKING UP IN THE COMMITTEE TODAY, THAT'S GONNA TAKE CITIES THAT'S OVER 30,000 IN POPULATION FROM THE 3.5 TO THE 2.5 OR THIS YEAR AS A PROPOSED RATE WON'T AFFECT US. OKAY. BUT, UH, OTHERWISE THAT NO NEW REVENUE. IT, IT'S EFFECTIVELY 1% LESS. SO THE VOTER APPROVED TAX RATE IS TWO 3.5%. CURRENTLY WE WOULD HAVE TO, IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN THAT. 53 50. OKAY. YEAH. SO THE, THIS 3 CENTS BASICALLY GO 2 CENTS ON WHAT, WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW. SO THE MAXIMUM WOULD BE 52 50 ISH ON AVERAGE ON ON THIS PARTICULAR ONE. SO JAMES, IF YOU COULD GO BACK ONE SLIDE, UH, UH, NO TO THAT ONE. SO BEAR IN MIND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION NOW, HOW DOES IT IMPACT IT FINANCIALLY? AND THEN ALSO WHEN WE GET TO THE CUT LINE DISCUSSION, JUST BEAR IN MIND THAT EACH PENNY FOR THE GENERAL FUND ADDS $573,000. SO IF WE TOOK A PERCENT OFF, AND I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT AMOUNT, BUT LET'S SAY IT, IT LOWERS IT TO 52 50, THAT MEANS IT'S $573,000 LESS. AND THAT'S IF, IF YOU WERE IN FACT GOING ALL THE WAY UP TO THE, THE VOTER APPROVED RATE, THERE'S SOME MORE CALCULATIONS ON THE BACK END THAT WOULD AFFECT IT A A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE IT ONLY AFFECTS THE GENERAL FUND SIDE. UM, BUT WE CAN, WE CAN SPECULATE ON WHY THEY'RE DOING IT. UH, BUT 2.5% IS KIND OF A LONG-TERM INFLATION RATE. SO IF WE'RE STICKING TO INFLATION RATE, BUT THE COUNCIL WANTED TO ADD NEW PROGRAMS, IT WOULD VERY LIKELY FORCE A LOT OF NEW PROGRAMS TO JUST GO TO THE VOTERS DIRECTLY. UM, WHICH SEEMS TO BE A, LEMME I'M SORRY, LEMME, SO IF YOU'LL REMEMBER SB TWO, SENATOR BETTENCOURT AND THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR, THE INTENTION OF THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE AND THEN LOWERING, WHICH USED TO BE CALLED THE ROLLBACK RATE, NOW IT'S CALLED THE PHOTO APPROVED RATE. THEY LOWERED THAT FROM 8.5% DOWN TO 3.5%. I BELIEVE THEIR INTENTION WAS TO SKEW CITIES TOWARDS ADOPTING THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE. THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY PRACTICAL AND GROWING CITIES, BUT IN MOST SITUATIONS, RIGHT, IN MY 30 YEARS OF DOING THIS, I'VE ALWAYS BEEN IN AN INFLATIONARY ENVIRONMENT WHERE PROPERTY VALUES ARE GOING UP. THIS TIME THEY'RE GOING DOWN. SO THE IMPACT ON THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE IS, IS IT PUSHES UP HIGHER THAN OUR CURRENT RATE, AND IT PUSHES THE VOTER APPROVED RATE OUT EVEN FURTHER. SO I BELIEVE THAT THEIR INTENTION WAS TO GRAVITATE YOU TOWARDS THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE. THAT'S WHY THAT IS INCLUDED. THE IMPACT ON THE, ON THE HOMEOWNER'S TAX BILL IS ZERO BY INCREASING THE RATE, BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE'RE GONNA BRING IN IF WE KEEP THE CURRENT RATE IS LESS. SO IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THE SAME AMOUNT THAT WE BROUGHT IN LAST YEAR, THE NO IE THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE, WHICH WAS THE INTENTION OF SENATOR BETTEN COURT AND, AND UM, UH, LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR PATRICK, WE WOULD ADOPT THE HIGHER NO NEW REVENUE RATE. I STILL DON'T SEE THEIR INTENT WHY THEY'RE TRYING TO, TO DO THIS NEW BILL BECAUSE ONLY FIVE CITIES SINCE THEY ADOPTED SENATE BILL TO BACK IN THE DAY, ONLY FIVE CITIES WENT TO THE VOTERS AND THE VOTERS APPROVED IT. SO IT'S SORT OF LIKE THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY, HEY, WE DON'T TRUST YOU LOCAL ELECTEDS TO DO THE RIGHT THING BY YOUR, YOUR RESIDENTS, EVEN WHEN YOUR RESIDENTS HAVE VOTED FOR YOU AND THEY APPROVE WHAT YOU'RE DOING, WE THINK WE KNOW BEST. I, I CAN'T SPEAK DEFINITIVELY MY, THAT'S THE INTENT. TO ME, MY PERSONAL BELIEF AND PROFESSIONAL [00:45:01] BELIEF IS, IS THAT THERE ARE SOME IN THE STATE LEGISLATURE THAT WOULD LIKE IT THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT WITHOUT AN ELECTION TO BE THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE. RIGHT? AND SO THEY'RE INCREMENTALLY WORKING IT DOWN TO THE NO NEW. I DON'T KNOW THAT FOR A FACT. I JUST SUSPECT THAT FROM MY EXPERIENCE, MY PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE AND MY PERSONAL BELIEF, I DON'T KNOW THAT FOR A FACT EITHER. THAT'S JUST MY EXPERIENCE IN FOLLOWING THE BILLS AND GETTING INTO THE WEEDS OF THINGS. YES, THAT'S MY ASSUMPTION. DO I THINK THAT'S HEALTHY FOR CITIES AND MAINTAINING THEIR BUDGETS? NO, I DO NOT. NO, I DO NOT. I I, THERE IS A PUSH AND NOT TO GET US OFF TRACK, BUT THERE IS A PUSH TO, THERE ARE EVEN SOME THAT WOULD LIKE TO ELIMINATE THE PROPERTY TAX ALTOGETHER AND MAKE US FULLY FUNDED BY A SALES TAX, WHICH IN CITIES THAT DON'T GENERATE A LOT OF SALES TAX, THAT WOULD BE DETRIMENTAL BECAUSE YOU WOULD, WHEN MORE OF YOUR BASE IS MADE UP OF PROPERTY TAX THAN SALES TAX AND YOU ELIMINATE ONE OF THOSE, THE, THE, THE PROPERTY TAX YOU'RE IN, YOU'RE IN BIG TROUBLE BE A SCHOOL DISTRICT SITUATION. UNLESS THE STATE CREATED A REVENUE SHARING, WHICH I SUSPECT THEY WOULD, WHERE THEY COLLECT ALL OF THE SALES TAX AND THEN REDISTRIBUTE IT OUT TO THE CITIES BASED ON POPULATION. I DON'T SEE HOW THEY CAN DO IT ANY OTHER WAY, WHICH I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WANTS THAT EITHER. WE WOULD LIKE TO BE LOCALLY CONTROLLED, SO WE'RE GONNA GET 17% OF THAT, RIGHT? SO THEY'LL CHARGE 22% WILL GET 11% BACK OR SO TO, UH, SO THERE'S, IT'S GONNA BE LIKE THE ROBIN HOOD ACT FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS. THEY'RE JUST GONNA DO IT FOR THE CITIES. THEY'RE GONNA SAY, HEY, CITY, WE BROUGHT IN ALL YOUR MONEY. WE KNOW THIS IS WHAT CHURCH BROUGHT IN, BUT YOU WON'T GET THAT ALL WE GOTTA GIVE IT TO NEW BERLIN, MARION, AND ANY OTHER CITY. THAT'S, I I WOULD SAY IT WOULD BE MORE AKIN TO THE PORTION OF A SCHOOL FUNDING THAT COMES FROM THE STATE SALES TAX AND OTHER STATE REVENUE SOURCES. NOT NECESSARILY THE PROPERTY TAX KIND OF, BUT, BUT MORE SO RIGHT NOW THEY COLLECT SIX AND A QUARTER PERCENT AND THEN THEY REDISTRIBUTE THAT OUT TO SCHOOL DISTRICTS. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT? SORRY, JAMES. DIDN'T MEAN TO JUMP IN ON THAT, BUT YOU AND I, I DID OFFER THAT EXPLANATION BECAUSE I AM PROPOSING THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE TO KEEP THE PROPERTY TAX, UM, THE, THE, THE PROPERTY OWNERS TAX BILL THE SAME AND NOT INCREASE ON 'EM AT THIS POINT. NOW THAT IS UP FOR DISCUSSION. IF THERE ARE MORE ITEMS WHEN WE GET TO THE LIST AND LOOK AT IT, Y'ALL WANT TO ADD, WE CAN ADD THOSE THINGS AND GO ALL THE WAY UP TO THE 53 50 AS THE VOTER APPROVE RATE, WHICH IS ENTIRELY APPROPRIATE IN TERMS OF IF YOU WANT TO FUND ADDITIONAL THINGS. AND I WILL SAY, I DID HEAR THAT THERE'S AN ENTITY THAT'S VERY CLOSE BY THAT IS GOING UP TO THEIR VOTER APPROVED TAX RATE, WHICH IS SLIGHTLY HIGHER THAN THIS ONE. SO YOU GOT A QUESTION, SIR? I GOT A QUESTION. OKAY, SO, SO ONE PENNY, IT'S GONNA, IT'S GONNA EQUAL TO 573,000, CORRECT? YES SIR. FOR THE INCREASE. NOW, NOW IT SAYS, UH, OR $33 AND 18 CENTS PER AVERAGE ON HOUSEHOLDS, CORRECT? YES. SO IF YOU WENT, LET'S SAY INSTEAD OF SAYING 50 64, YOU SAID 51 64, THAT BRINGS IN 573,500 MORE TO THE GENERAL FUND, RIGHT? AND IT ADDS TO THE PROPERTY TAX PAYER, THE, THE HOMEOWNER'S TAX BILL, $33 AND 18 CENTS A MONTH. BUT AN AVERAGE, I MEAN A YEAR. A YEAR, EXCUSE ME. A YEAR. YEAH, A YEAR. BUT AN AVERAGE, CORRECT? YES. SO WHAT WOULD BE LIKE AN AMOUNT FOR THE HIGHEST AND THE LOWEST? I COUPLE MORE. OUR HOME PRICE, OUR HOME VALUES RANGE FROM ABOUT 125,000 UP TO WELL OVER A MILLION. SO IT, IT IS A WIDE RANGE. OUR AVERAGE YEAR IS 331,000. THAT'S WHAT THEY USE. IF IT'S, WHICH IS A GOOD NUMBER IF HOME, SO IF YOUR HOME VALUE IS TWICE THE AVERAGE OF 331, THE TAXABLE VALUE, THEN YEAH, YOU COULD DOUBLE IT WOULD BE $66. YEAH, IT WOULD BE $66. UM, SO ON A, WELL, ON A MILLION DOLLAR HOME, IT'S A HUNDRED DOLLARS A YEAR. SO IT DEPENDS ON THE, UH, ON, ON THE VALUE OF THE, THE PROPERTY. YES. IT'S THE RATE TIMES THE TAXABLE VALUE. SO IF YOU HAVE A MILLION DOLLAR HOME THAT'S TAXABLE AT A MILLION DOLLARS, DOESN'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, DVHS OR HOME, YOU KNOW, SOME OTHER TYPE OF EXEMPTION, IT WOULD BE A HUNDRED DOLLARS ON A MILLION DOLLARS. AND, UH, AND AGAIN, IF YOUR, IF YOUR HOME WENT DOWN THERE ALSO, LIKE THE PERCENTAGE OF YOUR HOME TAXABLE VALUE, THAT CHANGED. SO IF YOU'RE, IF EVEN IF YOU'RE AT THE HIGHEST BRACKET, IF YOUR HOME VALUE DROPPED 6%, SAME AS EVERYONE ELSE IN GUPA COUNTY, THEN YOUR TAX BILL WOULD [00:50:01] REMAIN THE SAME. GOTCHA. SO AS THE GIVE OR TAKE. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. BUT YES, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION BECAUSE WHEN WE, WHEN WE START LOOKING AT THE CUT LIST, IF YOU WANNA ADD THINGS UP AND WE KIND OF LOOK AT IT, WE GO, OKAY, THAT'S, THAT'S A MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF STUFF. OR, OR AT $1.2 MILLION WORTH OF STUFF YOU COULD CONSIDER. YOU PROBABLY NEED TO RAISE THE TAX RATE BY TWO PENNIES TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD THAT OR GO BEYOND WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED TO PENNIES. RIGHT. DAVE? SORRY, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION ON THAT, THAT AVERAGE, UM, PER HOME, IS THAT AVERAGE BASED ON EVERY HOME IN THE CITY OR THOSE THAT PAY TAXES? TAXES? ARE YOU TA THE AVERAGE HOME VALUE IS THE AVERAGE HOME VALUE? THIS IS THE, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S, THIS IS THE AVERAGE TAXABLE VALUE IN THE CITY OF CHURCH. SO YOU TAKE ALL THE TAXABLE VALUE FOR THOSE THAT PAY TAXES, AND THAT'S THE AVERAGE TAXABLE VALUE. OKAY. YEAH. YES SIR. YES, SIR. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE WITH THE INS? IT WAS A VERTICAL CHART. INS THE DIFFERENT, OH, SORRY. I THIS ONE? YEAH, THAT ONE. THE COMBINED OR JUST THE INS COMBINED. OKAY. WHEN, SO WE'RE PRETTY STEADY, BUT, SO THERE WERE, WE WERE TRENDING DOWN AND NOW WE'RE SLIGHTLY TRENDING UP IN TERMS OF, RIGHT. SO WHEN VALUES GO DOWN, RATE HAS TO GO UP. YEP. SO VALUE IS GOING DOWN. SO RATE IS GOING UP THAT, THAT IMPACTS THE INS FUND. RIGHT. AND SO IF WE WERE TO KEEP THE RATE THE SAME AT 49 CENTS, IT ACTUALLY WOULD SQUEEZE THE GENERAL FUND PART 'CAUSE THE INS RATE HAS TO GO UP TO PAY THE DEBT. OKAY. THANK YOU. WHERE WERE YOU, JAMES? HERE. RIGHT THERE. ALRIGHT. UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON PROPERTY TAX BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO SALES TAX? WE GOT THIS. JAMES LOVES DOING THIS. WE LOVE DOING THIS. ALRIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. SO WHILE WE, UM, THE, THE PROPERTY TAX PORTION NOT AS GREAT, UH, NEWS TO SHARE TODAY. UM, BUT ON THE SALES TAX SIDE, ESPECIALLY FOR THE 25, UH, FISCAL YEAR, WE GOT A GREAT INVESTMENT BY ONE OF OUR LOCAL ENTITIES, UH, ONE TIME SADLY. UH, BUT THEY MADE A BIG IN BIG INVESTMENT INTO THEIR, UH, BUSINESS HERE IN THE CITY OF SHIRTZ. UM, AND IT, UH, GOT US QUITE A BIT OF SALES TAXES, UH, FOR THIS YEAR. AND, UM, SADLY WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT'LL HAPPEN NEXT YEAR. SOME OF THE DECISIONS WE MADE TODAY WE'RE BASED OFF OF, UH, THAT WILL INFLUX. UH, BUT WE ARE TRENDING AS A LONG-TERM AVERAGE AS WELL AS OUR, OUR THREE YEAR, OR SORRY, OUR LONG-TERM AVERAGE AS OPPOSED TO HOW WE'RE TRENDING THIS YEAR WITHOUT THIS, UH, THIS BIG BUMP IS ABOUT 7%, WHICH IS OUR LONG, LONG-TERM AVERAGE. UH, YOU SEE, LUCKILY WITH THE BIG BUMP, WE'RE TRENDING JUST UNDER 15% OVER A ROLLING THREE YEAR, THINKS THAT NICE INFLUX. UH, BUT WE DO THINK WE'LL LOSE THAT. SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE Y'ALL ARE AWARE THAT WE'RE GONNA SHOW A NICE, NICE BIG INCREASE FOR SALES TAX. UM, BUT NEXT YEAR IT'S GONNA FALL OFF A LITTLE BIT, UM, AND STILL CONTINUE WITH OUR ABOUT 7% ANNUAL GROWTH RATE TREND. JUST ONE QUESTION. SURE. UH, FOR CLARITY, THE, YOUR THE INCREASE THAT, THAT BIG BUMP YOU GOT, YOU'RE NOT FORECASTING FOR 2026? NO, WE, WE VERIFIED WITH THE, THE STATE COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE, THERE WAS A, A VERY LARGE INVESTMENT IN A LOCAL COMPANY THAT, THAT, THAT INVESTMENT IS SUBJECT TO SALES TAXES. UH, BUT ONCE THEY'RE DONE, THEY'VE MADE THEIR IMPROVEMENT, UH, IT'S NOT GONNA CONTINUE. SO WE WERE, WE DIDN'T, WE WEREN'T AWARE OF IT, BUT WE VERIFIED IT , WE'RE VERY HAPPY THAT, UH, VERY, VERY HAPPY THAT OUR, UH, PARTNER IN THE CITY OF SCHERTZ WAS ABLE TO MAKE THAT LARGE INVESTMENT AT THIS LOCATION. UM, AND WITH THE CONFIDENTIAL CONFIDENTIALITY OF SALES TAXES, UH, THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH I CAN SHARE AS FAR AS WHO OR WHAT THAT WAS, BUT I WISH WE COULD KEEP THAT GOING. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. BUT, UH, BUT YOU CAN SEE SINCE SINCE 2014 WE'VE HAD A NICE STEADY INCREASE IN SALES TAXES, UM, SLIGHTLY ESCALATED DURING THIS TIMEFRAME, AS YOU COULD SEE BY, UM, THIS GROWTH CHART THROUGH YOUR AVERAGE CHART. UH, WE STARTED TO SLOW DOWN A LITTLE BIT LAST YEAR. SO LAST YEAR WAS GROWTH WAS A LITTLE BIT, UH, SUBDUED. UM, SO 2024 WE THOUGHT WE'D GET HERE. WE CAME IN A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN WHAT WE EXPECTED, EXPECTED. UM, [00:55:01] AND THEN THAT AFFECTED OUR PROJECTIONS FOR THIS YEAR. BUT THEN MAN, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING IT AND NOW WE'RE BACK AT A, A NICE SEVEN YEAR, 7% TREND UNDER THE FRANCHISE FEES, UH, SLIGHTLY HIGHER. UM, UH, WE'VE BEEN GOING ALONG, UH, NICE AND EASY. NOT A WHOLE LOT OF CHANGE THERE. GENERALLY IT SHOULD FOLLOW THE, UH, POPULATION GROWTH AS NEW HOMES. THEY GET, UH, CABLE, THEY GET WATER, THEY GET ELECTRICITY, AND THAT GENERATES FRANCHISE FEES. UH, OUR PERMITS, WE WANNA TOUCH ON THEM. SO PERMITS IS ANOTHER ONE. IT'S HARD TO CONTROL WHEN THEY COME IN, WHEN BUILDERS WANT TO, UH, COME IN AND BUILD HOMES OR SOME OF THE REAL BIG WINNERS WHENEVER WE HAVE LIKE A SCHOOL BUILDING BEING BUILT OR A BIG COMMERCIAL, UH, COME THROUGH. SO AGAIN, WE'VE HIT, UM, PRETTY HIGH NUMBERS FOR A WHILE NOW. AND THIS WAS IN, UH, 23, 24 WAS A NICE BIG YEAR FOR OUR PERMITS. UH, WE TRIED TO GRAB AND THOUGHT, YOU KNOW WHAT, MAYBE WE'RE HITTING 2 MILLION. WE'RE HITTING 2 MILLION, WE'RE GONNA SET ABOUT 2 MILLION, UM, CURRENT PROJECTION TO BE SLIGHTLY UNDER THAT. WE'RE ALMOST THERE. SO WE HAD A PRETTY GOOD PROJECTION. UH, WE'RE GONNA KEEP, UM, THAT TREND GOING FOR NEXT YEAR AS WELL. UH, FEES. SO OUR FEES ARE COMING ALONG. UH, WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN ABLE TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE, THIS ONE'S RELATED TO A PLAN CHECK FEE, WHICH IS ACTUALLY RELATED TO THE PERMITS. SO THIS'S, NICE BIG INCREASE OVER HERE. THE 2.5 A PLAN CHECK FEE, IT HELPS ACCOUNT FOR SOME OF THAT. AND THEN AGAIN, THIS YEAR WE'RE EXPECT TO BE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER ON OUR FEES. AND THEN NEXT YEAR, SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT, UH, WE SAID WERE COMING THROUGH MAINLY THE, UM, IF WE HAVE THE FEES FOR THE SOCCER COMPLEX, WE TAKE THAT OVER, UM, THAT'S OFFSET IN THE BUDGET. SO WHILE I WAS ON THE SUPPLEMENTAL REQUEST, WE HAVE MORE MONEY TO, TO SPEND TO WRITE CHECKS FOR. UH, WE ALSO BELIEVE WE'LL BE GETTING MONEY BACK IN FROM THAT PROGRAM. WE'LL TOUCH ON THAT LATER. UH, BUT THAT, THAT FEED NUMBER ACCOMPLISHES THAT, SO THAT'S WHY THAT INCREASE IN FEES IS SEEN. AND THEN THE OVERALL GENERAL FUND FORECASTS. SO THIS YEAR WE SAW FROM THE, UM, CURRENT BUDGET HERE, WE'RE GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT DOWN FROM THAT, THE 2.2%. THIS IS WHERE WE'RE CURRENTLY PROPOSED AT. UM, AND THEN, UM, ESTIMATED ENDING FUND BALANCE ABOUT 27%. UH, WE'VE GOT A LITTLE ROOM, WE'RE NOT QUITE SURE IF THIS DROP IN PROPERTY VALUES IS A ONE TIME THING OR IT'S GONNA BE A TREND THAT WE'LL SEE FOR A FEW YEARS. UM, WE'LL SEE A LITTLE BIT GO BACK. SO, UM, WHAT'S AND THE OUT YEARS, THESE FUNDS, THERE'S NOTHING PROGRAMMED IN THERE CURRENTLY. SO, UM, THIS IS JUST, IF WE KEPT OUR CURRENT LEVELS OF STAFF, OUR CURRENT CAPITAL REPLACEMENT PROGRAM, UM, AND ALONG WITH ALL THE ITEMS THAT ARE APPROVED THIS YEAR, THIS IS, WOULD BE WHAT WOULD COME OUT WITHOUT ANY ADDITIONAL PROGRAMS IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS. SO THIS IS KIND OF OUR CAPACITY TO ADD PROGRAMS, UM, GOING FORWARD. OKAY, NOW WE'RE BACK ON THE SUPPLEMENT REQUEST. I'LL OPEN THIS UP FOR OUR CITY MANAGER, ZOOM IN. WELL, BEFORE WE, WE MOVE ON, UH, DO OUR GUESTS HAVE ANY, ANY COMMENTS BEFORE WE CONTINUE? ALRIGHT, LET'S MOVE [ 2. Discussion and direction for setting the preliminary maximum tax rate for fiscal year 2026 and setting the Public Hearing date.(S.Williams/J.Walters)] FORWARD. ALL RIGHT. I SENT MY GLASSES DOWN SOMEWHERE, SO I'LL FLY BLIND. SO WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS YOU HAVE A PRINTOUT, AND THIS PRINTOUT HAS ALL OF THE SUPPLEMENTALS THAT WERE REQUESTED. THE FIRST ONE IS THE GENERAL FUND, AND THEN WE HAVE SUBSEQUENT FUNDS, WATER, SEWER, EM, S, DRAINAGE. SO THE FIRST TWO PAGES OF THE GENERAL FUND, AND I'M GONNA KIND OF EXPLAIN, IF YOU DROP DOWN TO THE SECOND PAGE, IF YOU GO TO THE SECOND PAGE, TO THIRD PAGE, EXCUSE ME, TO THE TOTAL, YOU CAN SEE THAT A TOTAL OF SIX TWO $6,210,635 WORTH OF SUPPLEMENTAL REQUESTS WERE MADE. AND WE ARE INCLUDING, IF YOU GO BACK UP TO THE FIRST PAGE, I THINK IT'S THE FIRST PAGE. YES. FIRST PAGE INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET ARE 2 MILLION. STEVE, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT. UM, THIS LINKED FUND IS NOT THE MOST CURRENT. THE ONE THAT YOU ALL HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS THE CURRENT ONE. SO WE APOLOGIZE THAT THAT'S NOT LINKED CORRECTLY. OKAY. SO I'LL GET IT REAL QUICK. SO THIS IS WHAT'S RIGHT, [01:00:18] BUT YEAH, MAKE SURE, OKAY, THIS IS THE, DO YOU WANNA DO AN EXCEL OR WE TO SAVE IT AS PDF DF REAL QUICK? IT'S FINE. JUST EXCEL'S FINE. YOU GOT VERSION HISTORY. OKAY. YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GETTING OLD WHEN YOU CAN'T FIND YOUR GLASSES, BUT THEY'RE IN YOUR POCKET RIGHT HERE. SO THAT, I'M GLAD THAT WAS ON VIDEO FOR EVERYBODY TO SEE. SO IF, IF YOU WILL LOOK AT YOUR SHEET IT, THE FIRST TWO PAGES CONSTITUTE THE GENERAL FUND. AND JUST SKIPPING DOWN TO THE TOTAL, WE'VE GOT A TOTAL REQUEST OF 6,000,595. SKIP DOWN SO PEOPLE AT HOME CAN SEE THIS. SO $6,595,000 WORTH OF REQUESTS AND INCLUDE IT IN THE BUDGET. IF YOU GO BACK TO THE FIRST PAGE AND GO TO THAT SECOND SECTION, THE TOTAL AMOUNT THAT IS INCLUDED IS $2,812,000. SO YOU'RE GONNA SEE TWO TOTALS. SO I, I, I WENT THROUGH THIS LIST ALREADY DURING THE SLIDES, BUT YOU'RE GONNA SEE THREE COLUMNS THERE OF NUMBERS. THE FIRST ONE IS THE INITIAL COST, AND THEN THE NEXT ONE IS CUMULATIVE COST. SO WE CAN TRACK AS WE GO DOWN. AND THEN IF THERE'S AN ANNUAL RECURRING COST, THAT'S WHAT'S OUT TO THE RIGHT OF THAT. SO AS WE GO DOWN, YOU CAN SEE THE ONES WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT, CITY, CITY ASSISTANT, CITY SECRETARY, POSTAGE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 2,128,000. SO IF WE WERE TO CUT THE, BUT IF WE WERE TO CUT THE TAX RATE BY MAINTAINING THE CURRENT TAX RATE OF 49 CENTS, THEN WE WOULD BE ABLE TO AFFORD $2,128,000. IF WE KEPT, IF WE WERE TO NOT CUT THE TAX RATE BY KEEPING THE SAME TAX RATE, WHICH IS, AND I'M USING THE TERMINOLOGY THAT IS INCLUDED IN STATE LAW. SO IF WE WERE TO NOT CUT THE TAX RATE AND GO TO THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE, IT WOULD ADD ANOTHER $684,000 AND WE WOULD BE ABLE TO AFFORD THE $2,812,000. SO BELOW THE CUT LINE, YOU CAN SEE THE REST OF THE ITEMS. SO IT GOES FROM THAT 2.8 MILLION DOWN TO THE, THE A SUBTOTAL OF 3.7 MILLION. SO THREE POINT, ALMOST $3.8 MILLION IN SUPPLEMENTALS THAT ARE STILL OUT THERE FOR YOU TO REVIEW AND TO TAKE A LOOK AT AND TO CONSIDER. SO ACTUALLY THIS WOULD BE THE TIME, IF YOU WANNA LOOK AT THE LIST THAT IS BEING RECOMMENDED TO FUND AND SOMETHING YOU JUST DO NOT BELIEVE THAT, THAT SHOULD BE FUNDED, WE CAN MOVE IT DOWN. IF THERE'S SOMETHING ON THE LIST THAT'S BELOW THAT CUT LINE OF $2.8 MILLION AND YOU THINK IT SHOULD MOVE UP, THEN THIS WOULD BE THE TIME TO DISCUSS THAT. AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS OPTIONS OF HOW WE WOULD PAY FOR IT, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH ADDITIONAL PROPERTY TAX OR WHETHER IT'S THROUGH AN ADDITIONAL FEE OR, OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE. SO WE CAN, I CAN KIND OF WALK THROUGH THESE, THERE'S A LOT OF THEM AND IT MIGHT TAKE A WHILE. IT MIGHT BE EASIER IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT 'EM. BUT SOME, I'LL TALK ABOUT MAYBE THE FIRST FIVE OR 10. 'CAUSE THERE'S SOME SIGNIFICANT ONES UP THERE. THE COLA WAS ONE THAT HAD RANKED HIGH, BUT, BUT GOT PUSHED DOWN BELOW THE CUT LINE AND THAT'S $312,000. THERE ARE SOME POSITIONS PROBABLY WHERE WE, WHERE WE, UH, I DON'T WANNA SAY SUFFERED, WHERE WE CUT THE MOST WAS ONGOING COST BECAUSE AT THE CURRENT RATE, THE ONGOING COST IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO BE CAUTIOUS OF. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE LIST ABOVE, THERE ARE A LOT OF ONE-TIME COSTS OR SMALLER COSTS THAT THEY, THEY HAVE AN INITIAL COST, BUT THEN SAY, UH, A MAINTENANCE COST, THAT'S A FRACTION OF WHAT THE INITIAL COST IS. WHEN YOU HIRE A PERSON OR A POSITION, THEN THAT COST IS ONGOING. SO I WOULD SAY ANYTHING THAT WE MOVE UP THAT IS, HAS A, A RELATIVE ONGOING COST, WE WOULD ACCOMPANY WITH AN ONGOING REVENUE, LIKE A PROPERTY TAX RATE INCREASE. SO ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THESE THAT ARE LISTED BELOW THE CUT LINE OR COMMENTS? YES, SIR. SO IF YOU TAKE THIS BUDGET AND YOU PUT YOUR PRIORITIES, YOUR FIVE PRIORITIES, WOULD IT MATCH UP? LIKE I'M PRESUMING IT WOULD, [01:05:01] BUT HOW WOULD YOU, HOW WOULD I KNOW THAT? SORT OF SAY WHAT WAS THE FIRST PRIORITY? THE FIRST ON YOUR, SO THE FIVE THAT ARE IDENTIFIED ARE, ARE PERSONNEL COMPENSATION, RIGHT? SO PERSONAL COMPENSATION AND THEN STREET MAINTENANCE, AND THEN CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, AND THEN ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL AND RENOVATION TO CURRENT FACILITIES. ONE THING THAT I CONSIDERED ADDING, BUT, AND, AND REALLY COULD BE ON THAT PRIORITY LIST IS IT, AND CYBERSECURITY, IT'S NOT EXPLICITLY STATED IN THE, IN THE TOP PRIORITIES, BUT IT IS BUBBLING TO THE TOP AS A PRIORITY. SO YOU'RE SEEING A LOT OF IT. WE, WE HAD AN INCIDENT LAST YEAR AND FORTUNATELY WE, IT WAS OUTSIDE OF THE CITY'S REALM AND IT DIDN'T REALLY INF AFFECT WHAT WE HAD. SO WE HAD AN AUDIT DONE OF OUR CYBERSECURITY BY AN OUTSIDE FIRM. A LOT OF WHAT YOU SEE THAT'S INCLUDED IS A RESULT OF THAT AUDIT. SO I WOULD SAY YES. DO THEY MATCH? YES, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF IT, SECURITY AND EQUIPMENT NOT BEING EXPLICITLY STATED. ALRIGHT. NOW, ARE THERE ITEMS BELOW THE CUT LINE THAT FIT INTO THOSE PRIORITIES? ABSOLUTELY. JUST ABOUT EVERY ONE OF THEM. SO THE PRIORITIES, I WOULD SAY, FIT INTO OUR STRATEGIC PLAN. IF YOU WERE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT OUR STRATEGIC PLAN, EVERY SUPPLEMENTAL REQUEST ESSENTIALLY REFERENCES BACK TO THE STRATEGIC PLAN AND THE GOALS THAT ARE, THAT THEY'RE LISTED THERE. AND THAT'S HOW THE BUDGET IS DEVELOPED. NOW, THE LIST IS ALWAYS LONGER AND YOU CAN SEE IT'S MORE THAN TWICE AS LONG THAN WHAT WE CAN AFFORD. UH, I'M TRYING TO GO BACK. REMEMBER THE TIME WHEN WE HAD THAT BUDGET RETREAT OUT AT THAT, UM MM-HMM . AT A RANCH OUT THERE. YES, SIR. HOW HAS BUDGET PRIORITIES AND OUR STRATEGIC PLAN CHANGED SINCE THEN? I KNOW WE HAD THAT COUNCIL THERE. I THINK THERE'S AT LEAST ONE DIFFERENT MEMBER MM-HMM . YES, SIR. SO THE PRIORITIES HAVE NOT SHIFTED IN TERMS OF THE STATED TOP PRIORITIES. OKAY. THAT'S NOT ALL OF THE PRIORITIES, THOSE ARE JUST THE TOP PRIORITIES. SO THERE ARE THINGS THAT AREN'T, DON'T GET LISTED ON THAT SLIDE THAT ARE IN THERE. NOW, WHAT WE HAVE DONE, KIND OF WHAT, WHAT I'M, WHAT I WAS, SO IF YOU WERE TO TAKE OUR STRATEGIC PLAN AND YOU LOOK AT 'EM, WE HAVE FIVE STATED GOALS, AND WITHIN THOSE GOALS, WE HAVE STATED OBJECTIVES BELOW THOSE, EVERYTHING THAT'S BEING REQUESTED HERE, THAT, THAT IS ON THE ENTIRE LIST. AND EVERYTHING THAT IS IN THE CIP GETS SCRUTINIZED AGAINST THOSE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES. RIGHT? SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE MOST SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IS WE SAT DOWN, WE SPENT AN ENTIRE DAY, ENTIRE DAY, MAYBE TWO DAYS, ONE DAY, WE SPENT AN ENTIRE DAY GOING THROUGH WITH A CONSULTANT TO REFORM, REDO OUR STRATEGIC PLAN, AND THEN AS A STAFF, WE TOOK MULTIPLE MEETINGS, PROBABLY FIVE OR SIX MEETINGS, ANOTHER 10 TO 15 TO 20 HOURS CRAFTING THE OBJECTIVES UNDERNEATH THOSE GOALS AND THEN BRINGING IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL, ADOPTED AND DID LAST YEAR. AND SO NOW WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE PRIORITY, WHEN PEOPLE MAKE REQUESTS, IT SHOULD BE LOOKED AT THROUGH THE LENS OF WHAT WE DISCUSSED THAT DAY AND WHAT THE, WHAT WAS FINALLY ADOPTED BY THE PUB, BY THE CITY COUNCIL AS OUR STRATEGIC PLAN. YEAH. SO WE IDENTIFIED THE STRATEGIC PLAN, YOU CAME UP WITH SOME OBJECTIVES, WHICH ARE YOU AND YOUR STAFF, YOUR SENIOR STAFF, AND THEN OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, THEN YOU DEVELOPED 3, 4, 5 GOALS PER OBJECTIVE. AND THAT LED TO THE BUDGET MORE OR LESS. SO THE STRATEGIC PLAN OF WHERE, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS, I'M NOT, WHAT YOU'VE DONE IS A GOOD JOB, STEVE. AND, UH, OH, I WAS JUST GONNA GIVE YOU A VISUAL. YEAH, YEAH. I WAS JUST TRYING TO DO, I'M A VISUAL LEARNER. THAT'S OKAY. YEAH. SO REMEMBER STRATEGIC PLAN. YEAH. SO 9, 9 3 OF 24. SO BASICALLY THIS TIME LAST YEAR, THIS IS WHEN THE COUNCIL ADOPTED THIS. SO MISSION, VISION, OKAY. SO OUR, OUR, OUR MISSION, VISION AND VALUES REALLY, I MEAN, JUST TO KIND OF RECAP, AND I, I DON'T MEAN TO BELABOR THIS, BUT JUST AS A REFRESHER, THE MISSION AND VISION STAYED THE SAME. THE VALUES, WE HAD THREE SETS OF VALUES. AND SO RATHER THAN HAVING THE THREE SETS OF VALUES, WE RETAINED OUR CORE VALUES. YOU CAN SEE 'EM LISTED THERE. BUT THEN WE ALSO CREATED GOALS AND DID AWAY WITH THE, THE COUNCIL VALUES AND THE STAFF VALUES. THEY HAD A DIFFERENT NAME FROM THAT, BUT THAT'S EFFECTIVELY WHAT THEY WERE. AND SO THESE ARE OUR FIVE GOALS. SUSTAINABLE GOVERNMENT, SAFE AND LIVABLE COMMUNITY INFRASTRUCTURE, INVESTMENT, SENSE OF COMMUNITY AND THRIVING ECONOMY. [01:10:01] SO EVERYTHING WE DO AND EVERYTHING WE FUND SHOULD ULTIMATELY REACH BACK TO THESE AND TRY AND ACHIEVE THESE. NOW GOALS ARE SOMETHING, GOALS ARE GOALS. YOU DON'T EVER REALLY ACHIEVE GOALS. YOU JUST GET CLOSER TO ACHIEVING THAT GOAL. YOU SHOULD ALWAYS WORK TOWARDS THAT GOAL. AND THEN UNDERNEATH EACH OF THESE, YES, YES. RIGHT? SO IN AND RIGHT HERE YOU CAN SEE THE OBJECTIVES, RIGHT? SO THE OBJECTIVES FALL UNDER EACH OF THESE GOALS. FIRST ONE BEING SUSTAINABLE GOVERNMENT, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE FOUR, IT'S FOUR TO SIX I THINK, ON EACH OF THEM. UH, FINANCIAL STABILITY, INTEGRITY, AND, UH, RECRUITMENT DEVELOPMENT, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. AND THESE ARE ALL ON THE WEBSITE. BUT WHAT JAMES JUST POINTED OUT TO ME, AND I DIDN'T EXPLICITLY SAY THIS, BUT WHEN SOMEBODY DOES A SUPPLEMENTAL REQUEST, THEY HAVE TO STATE ON THERE WHICH OBJECTIVE IT POINTS TO CORRECT, AND WHICH GOAL IT POINTS TO. SO, SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO CONSIDER A SUPPLEMENTAL REQUEST THAT DOESN'T HELP US WORK THROUGH OUR STRATEGIC PLAN. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S NEW FOR OUR ORGANIZATION. I MEAN, IT, IT'S BEEN DONE TO A DEGREE, BUT IT'S VERY EXPLICITLY STATED NOW, I HOPE, I HOPE THAT ANSWERS, I DIDN'T MEAN TO GO OVERBOARD ON THE EXPLANATION, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING I DIDN'T EXPLAIN IN THE PRESENTATION, BUT WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S AWARE OF YES, SIR. STEVE, QUESTION? YES, SIR. AHEAD. SIR, CAN YOU TOUCH ON THE SOCCER COMPLEX? IS THAT THE LIGHTING AND IRRIGATION, OR IS IT JUST GOING TO BE MAINTENANCE? NO, MA'AM. ON SENIOR CENTER, IS THIS GOING TO BE JUST THE MAINTENANCE? AND I, I, I, I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT GIVING A MORE IN DEPTH EXPLANATION. THE BACK END OF THIS, WE HAVE ABOUT 25 SLIDES ON BOTH OF THOSE. SO WE WILL, UH, LAUREN WILL COME UP AND GIVE A PRESENTATION ON BOTH OF THOSE. AND ESSENTIALLY WHAT THAT IS, IS THE OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE ASSOCIATED WITH BOTH OF THOSE FACILITIES. SO, AND LIKE I SAID, THEY'VE GOT, I DON'T WANNA STEAL THEIR THUNDER AND I DON'T WANT TO MESS IT UP EITHER, BUT IT, IT IS THERE, THERE'S A PRESENTATION THAT'S ON THE, ON THE AGENDA. THERE'S TWO ITEMS. THOSE LAST TWO ITEMS OR, OR LAST ITEM IS RELATED TO THOSE AND HOW THOSE WILL BE OPERATED, HOW WE ARE PROPOSING TO OPERATE THOSE IN THE FUTURE. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OTHER QUESTIONS? CUT LINE QUESTIONS. I GOT A QUESTION. YES, SIR. WHAT IS THE STATUS ON THE, UH, 3 1, 1 3, 1 1 IS UP AND RUNNING. THEY'RE DOING A GREAT JOB. SO GLITCHES AND EVERYTHING HAVE BEEN TAKEN CARE OF. UH OH. UH, ARE YOU, UH, OKAY. SO YOU'RE SPEAKING IN TERMS OF THE, SOMETIMES IF WE'RE CLOSE TO THE EDGE OF THE CITY, YES. SOMETIMES IT GOES TO SAN ANTONIO. YES. I, I DON'T, BRIAN'S GOT AN EXPLANATION, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S A FIX FOR THAT. YEAH. SO THE, SO THE ISSUE YOU HAVING, YOU MAY RECALL IS WE HAD SITUATIONS WHERE PEOPLE, WHEN THEY TRIED IT DIAL THREE ONE ONE ON THEIR CELL PHONE, IT DOESN'T TAKE THEM ANYWHERE. RIGHT, SIR, NEED TO GET A HOLD CLOSER TO THE MIC. UM, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE HAVE THE POWER TO CONTROL, RIGHT? THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE CELL NETWORK. AND SO, AGAIN, WITH THE ODD SHAPE OF OUR CITY, YOU CAN BE IN OUR CITY, BUT BE CLOSE TO ANOTHER COMMUNITY. AND THE PROBLEM IS BASED ON WHERE THE CELL PHONE IS PINGING OFF, IT DOESN'T KNOW WHICH CITY YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO GO TO. AND WHEN IT DOESN'T KNOW, IT DOESN'T SEND YOU TO 3 1 1. THERE ISN'T A CORRECTION THAT WE HAVE FOR THAT. UH, WE'VE HAD A FEW INSTANCES OF PEOPLE WITH LANDLINES, AGAIN, FROM WHAT WE UNDERSTAND, THAT'S, AGAIN, IT'S A CARRIER ISSUE. TYPICALLY, WE'VE SEEN IT INVOLVE WHEN PEOPLE HAVE CHANGED SERVICES OR CHANGED COMPANIES KEPT THEIR NUMBER AND, AND THEY HAVEN'T RECTIFIED THAT. BUT THERE'S NOTHING THAT THE CITY CAN DO TO ENSURE EVERY PERSON WHO IS CALLING ABOUT SOMETHING WITH THE CITY OF SHIRTS CAN JUST DIAL THREE ONE ONE ON THEIR CELL PHONE AND GET THROUGH IF YOU'RE, IT'S JUST A FUNCTION OF THE ODD BOUNDARIES. MICKEY, I THINK, YEAH. . YEP. MM-HMM . I LIVE FOUR AWAY FROM THE SAME OFFICE. I'M TRYING. YEP. SO ANOTHER CITY. YEAH. SO MICKEY, AGAIN, HOW FAR ARE YOU FROM THE BOUNDARY OF OUR CITY TO ANOTHER CITY THERE? THAT'S THE ISSUE. [01:15:01] SO YEAH, YOU'RE VERY CLOSE TO US, BUT YOU'RE A STONES THROW FROM THE CITY OF UNIVERSAL CITY. AND, AND SO IT DOESN'T, IT, IT, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF RHYME OR REASON IT PICKS UP DIFFERENT PLACES, BUT THAT'S THE, THE FUNCTION OF IT. YEAH. IT STONE THROW UNIVERS, YOU ARE A STONE. SO FROM UNIVERSAL CITY, I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO . . OKAY. YEAH. BRIAN'S GOT A GOOD ARM. I'VE GOT, YEAH, I GOT A PRETTY, PRETTY GOOD ARM. BUT THAT, THAT'S THE ISSUE, MICKEY, I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE FIND. AND SO YEAH, IT'S, IT'S IN VARIOUS PARTS OF THE CITY. WE ARE VERY CLOSE TO OTHER COMMUNITIES. RIGHT. WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE JUST DOWN THE ROAD ON 3 0 0 9, YOU'RE RIGHT THERE BY CONE, YOU'RE RIGHT THERE BY SHIRTS AS WELL. BECAUSE THE BOUNDARY JOGS, WHEN YOU GET INTO THIS AREA, YOU'RE CLOSE TO UNIVERSAL CITY, YOU'RE CLOSE TO SELMA AS TO WITH THE CELL TOWER LOCATIONS. YEAH. IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE CAN CORRECT. SO THE ISSUE IS PEOPLE, I HAVE THE SAME CARRIER THAT OFFICE, I, I'M NOT, IS THIS YOUR LANDLINE MICKEY OR YOUR CELL PHONE NOW? THE LANDLINE CELL PHONE. YEAH. RIGHT. SO AGAIN, THE CELL PHONE IS DIRECTED. YEAH, SHE, YEAH. WE, WE DON'T, WE DON'T OPERATE THE PHONE COMPANY. AND SO, RIGHT. I, I MEAN, AGAIN, OTHER THAN MICKEY, HOW MANY RESIDENTS WHO LIVE IN THIS AREA HAVE COMPLAINED THAT THEIR LANDLINE WHEN THEY DIAL 3 1 1 WON'T GET THROUGH MESSAGE? NOT SURE. YEAH. I, RIGHT. SO I, I, I GUESS ULTIMATELY THE EXPLANATION IS, IS THAT WE, WE, UNFORTUNATELY, WE DO NOT OPERATE THE TELEPHONE COMPANIES. AND THERE ARE A VARIETY OF OPTIONS FOR TELEPHONE COMPANIES. YOU HAVE YOUR TRADITIONAL, WHAT YOU WOULD'VE CALLED THE BABY BELLS, RIGHT? YOUR VERIZON AND SOUTHWESTERN BELL. AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE NOW YOUR CABLE COMPANY, YOUR, YOUR INTERNET COMPANY. SO THERE ARE A VARIETY OF WAYS THAT YOU CAN HAVE A LANDLINE. WE DO NOT HAVE JURISDICTION OR CONTROL OVER THOSE. SO ULTIMATELY YOU HAVE TO WORK THROUGH YOUR CARRIER. IF, IF YOU WANT A CHANGE MADE, WHICH I SUSPECT MAYBE IS WHAT YOU DID WITH THE CELL PHONE COMPANY, CALL THEM AND TELL THEM THAT THEY NEED TO FIX THAT. RIGHT? RIGHT. IT'S JUST, UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING WE CAN CORRECT ON OUR, OUR END APPARENTLY. UM, I, I'M, I'M SORRY. I CAN'T OFFER ANY MORE EXPLANATION THAN THAT. UH, SO, SO BASICALLY IT FALLS ON THE, UH, ON THE COMPANY ITSELF, ON THE, ON THE, THE COMPANIES THAT OPERATE, WHOEVER YOU HAVE THE PHONE SYSTEM. YES. SO, SO IN THE, IN THE, IN THE CA IN THE CASE OF A LOCAL TELCO, RIGHT? VERIZON OR, UM, WHOEVER THE LOCAL TELCO IS HERE, I GUESS THEY HAVE AN EXCHANGE, OKAY? AND THEY PUNCH NUMBERS INTO THAT EXCHANGE. IF THAT NUMBER IS NOT PUNCHED INTO THAT EXCHANGE AND GO INTO THE RIGHT DIRECTION, IT'S GONNA GO A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. IT'S UP TO THEM TO REPROGRAM THEIR PHONE SYSTEM TO REROUTE THAT NUMBER TO THE CORRECT PLACE. SO WE CAN'T DO THAT. WE CAN'T GO TO THE PHONE COMPANY AND FORCE THAT. NOW, THERE ARE ALSO MULTIPLE PROVIDERS OF LOCAL LANDLINE TELEPHONE SERVICES. WELL, YOU GOT GVC, YOU'VE GOT AT T YOU'VE GOT SPECTRUM, YOU'VE GOT, SO THERE, THERE ARE MULTIPLE LANDLINE PROVIDERS. SO EACH PERSON, YOU MAY HAVE A STREET, AND EVERYBODY MIGHT, NOT EVERYBODY, BUT MOST EVERYBODY MIGHT HAVE A DIFFERENT LANDLINE CARRIER. SO DEALING WITH EACH ONE OF THOSE, RIGHT, IS, IS A, IS A SEPARATE ISSUE IN DE DEALING WITH EACH ONE OF THOSE. DOES THAT, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH. RIGHT. IT'S NOT LIKE IT USED TO BE WHEN WE WERE YOUNG WHERE I JUST CALLED SOUTHWESTERN BELL AND IT WAS A SOUTHWESTERN BELL ISSUE RELATED TO THE LANDLINE PERIOD, END OF STORY. AND THEY FIXED IT AT THE EXCHANGE LEVEL. IT'S, IT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WORLD IN HOW THEY DIRECT AND ROUTE CALLS. WELL, STEVE, YOU MENTIONED THAT, UH, YEAH, THERE'S SEVERAL, SEVERAL DIFFERENT CARRIERS THAT WE YES, SIR. CANNOT CONTACT EACH ONE BASED ON THE 10,000 RESIDENTS THAT WE HAVE. AND THESE, THESE, UH, 3, 3 1 1 CALLS ARE ROUTED BASED ON TRANSMISSION. AND I HAVE TO REMIND OUR COUNCIL IS THAT WE BORDER NINE DIFFERENT CITIES. SO IT CAN BE PICKED UP. TAKE FOR INSTANCE, KENSINGTON RANCH, IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO UNIVERSAL CITY, AND IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO SELMA. SURE. YOU KNOW, SO THOSE ARE THE ISSUES THAT WE CANNOT CONTROL AS A CITY. THE OTHER ISSUE, MAYOR, IF I, IF I MAY TOO, IS WHEN, WHEN WE CALL THE PHONE COMPANY TO TELL THEM, HEY, WE'RE HAVING A RESIDENT WHO'S SAYING THEY HAVE THIS PROBLEM TO TRY TO FACILITATE WHAT WE CAN, PART OF WHAT WE GET IS, WELL, THAT'S NOT YOUR ACCOUNT. WE, WE CAN'T, WE [01:20:01] CAN'T DO WHAT YOU'RE TELLING US TO DO ON AN INDIVIDUAL'S ACCOUNT. SO WE'RE A LITTLE BIT CONSTRAINED, EVEN EVEN WITH THE LANDLINE ISSUE, TO WHAT DEGREE WE CAN FACILITATE A FIX FOR THEM. UM, RIGHT. BUT AGAIN, I WILL SAY THIS, WHERE YOU HEAR PEOPLE ARE HAVING PROBLEMS, SEND IT INTO US. 'CAUSE WE'LL TAKE THAT INFORMATION. WE KEEP TRACK OF IT. WE START TRYING TO HUNT STUFF DOWN BECAUSE YEAH, WE WANT TO FIND OUT IS THIS A PROBLEM ON OUR END? IS IT A PROBLEM JUST WITH THE WAY THE SYSTEM WORKS OR IS THERE AN INDIVIDUAL PROBLEM WITH A PARTICULAR PROPERTY OR USER THAT WE CAN TRY TO HELP AND FACILITATE THE DEGREE WE CAN. SO WHERE YOU HEAR THAT, CALL US AGAIN, WHAT WE TEND TO HEAR MOST IS THE CELL PHONE THING. RIGHT. I'M CALLING, I CAN'T GET THROUGH DIAL 1, 3 1 1. I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD VERY MANY PEOPLE WITH THE LANDLINE ISSUE. THAT'S, THAT'S COME THROUGH. I THINK IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PROBABLY MORE THAN ONE, BUT SURE. WELL, HAPPY TO TALK TO ME RELATIVE TO WHEN THAT CALL WAS AND WHEN MY EMAIL TO YOU WAS, STATE VOICEMAIL, CALL BACK IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN JUST GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON BECAUSE THIS IS ONE ISSUE WE CANNOT SOLVE AND IT'S NOT PERTAINING TO THE BUDGET. YES, SIR. AND, AND I'M ASSUMING THAT THAT QUESTION AND THAT WHOLE DISCUSSION WAS WITHIN THE RELATIVE SCOPE OF THE BUDGET IN TERMS OF MAYBE FUNDING MORE IT DOLLARS OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. SO I WOULD JUST ADVISE MAYBE THAT WE MAYBE MOVE ON OR, OR FOCUS BACK ON THE, THE CUT LINE. I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE CUT LINE. YES, MA'AM. UM, WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, UH, ONE OF THE CUT LINES WAS TO MOVE, UM, MOVE LASER FISH TO A CLOUD. IT DOESN'T HAVE A DOLLAR AMOUNT. AND IF, IS THERE A DOLLAR AMOUNT ASSOCIATED WITH THAT? AND IF NOT, DOES MOVING THE LASER FISH TO THE CLOUD MAKE IT SAFER FOR SECURITY PURPOSES AND BACKING UP? IT'S DOWN BELOW. IT'S LIKE IT HAS, IT'S UH, JUST UNDER PUBLIC AFFAIRS WITH SOCIAL MEDIA MANAGEMENT. OH, MOVE LASER FISH TO THE CLOUD. YES. I DON'T KNOW. DO WE HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT? I, YES. REQUEST HERE. COME ON, JACK. MM-HMM . JACK TALKING TO MIKE. SORRY, PLEASE. WE REQUESTED A QUOTE FROM THE VENDOR TO PROVIDE THIS SERVICE. UH, THEY DIDN'T GET BACK TO US IN TIME TO INCLUDE THAT IN THE BUDGET. THAT'S THE REASON WHY THERE'S A BLANK LINE THERE. IT WILL INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF SECURITY FOR LASER FISH AND IT GIVES US ADDITIONAL ENCRYPTION OPTIONS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A SET PRICE YET. OKAY. BECAUSE I JUST KNOW WITH SO MANY CITIES THAT ARE BEING ATTACKED, UM, OUT THERE, AND I KNOW WITH THE RISK POOL AND INCREASING CYBERSECURITY COVERAGE, JUST MAKING SURE WE WOULD BE SECURE. SO THAT QUESTION. AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION WAS, I GUESS, DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS WANTING MORE TRAINING DOLLARS, IS THAT TO, FOR THEM TO GET MORE TRAINING TO BE MORE EFFECTIVE? OR IS IT JUST, I I'M SORRY, WHICH ONES ARE YOU REFERRING TO? SO YOU HAVE ONE IS ENG I SEE ENGINEERING WANTING MORE MONEY FOR TRAVEL. UM, INCREASED TRAINING AND TRAVEL FOR THE ENGINEERING, THE CITY SECRETARY, INCREASED TRAVEL AND TRAINING. AND I THINK THOSE WERE THE ONLY TWO THAT I SAW. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND OUT WHAT WAS, WHAT IS THE ASK FOR THE TR INCREASED TRAVEL AND TRAINING? SO IT, IT'S, IT'S WHAT YOU SAID, IT'S TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE KEEPING UP WITH CURRENT TRENDS AND MAKING SURE THAT OUR STAFF IS, IS WE'RE FUNDING THE ABILITY TO DO THAT. IT IS, THAT IS A HIGH PRI PRIORITY. AND IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT THE BUDGET AND CUTTING THE BUDGET IS SOMETHING I WOULD PREFER TO CUT LAST. RIGHT. IF WE WERE IN A SITUATION WHERE WE HAD TO CUT THE BUDGET, I, I WOULD BE VERY PROTECTIVE OF WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE FOR TRAVEL AND TRAINING. THE, UM, THE, UM, I'M SORRY. THESE WOULD BE ADDITIONAL TRAVELS AND TRAVEL AND TRAINING FOR FOLKS. SOME OF THE COST HAS GONE UP, SOME OF IT, [01:25:01] IT'S ALL OVER THE BOARD. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY ONE, LIKE, ONE DEPARTMENT HAS SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT NEEDS FROM ANOTHER DEPARTMENT. RIGHT. SO PD IS GONNA BE DIFFERENT WAY DIFFERENT FROM ENGINEERING. SO I CAN'T REALLY SAY IT X, Y, Z FOR THIS, BUT IT IS, TO DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID, IT'S FOR US TO UPGRADE OUR KNOWLEDGEABILITY SKILLS AND HABITS AND, AND BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT. SO THE GOOD NEWS IS WE DIDN'T CUT ANYTHING OUT. AND EVEN INCLUDED IN SOME OF THE POSITIONS YOU'LL SEE THAT ARE LATE IN OTHER FUNDS, THERE IS SOME TRAVEL AND TRAINING DOLLARS IN THERE. SO WE ARE INCREMENTALLY INCREASING OUR TRAVEL AND TRAINING DOLLARS. WE JUST, WERE NOT ABLE TO FULLY DO SOME OF THESE. OKAY. AND, AND WE DID BUILD INTO THE BASE, I BELIEVE THE AMOUNTS THAT THE COUNCIL REQUESTED CORRECT. WENT FROM 25 TO $48,000 FOR TRAVEL AND TRAINING FOR THE COUNCIL. I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE BELOW THE CUT LINE, IS THAT BASED ON PRIORITIES FROM, FROM THE TOP OR IT'S JUST A LIST? YES, IT IS BASED ON PRIORITIZATION. SO YEAH, SOMETHING THAT'S RIGHT BELOW THE CUT LINE IS SOMETHING, IS THAT, IS HIGHER CONSIDERED A HIGHER PRIORITY BY THE EXECUTIVE TEAM, THE, THE DEPARTMENTS, THE EXECUTIVE TEAM AND ME THAN SOMETHING THAT'S AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST. UH, TRAFFIC SAFETY PROJECTS, ARE WE GONNA DISCUSS THOSE SINCE THAT'S BELOW THE CUT LINE? AND IF IT'S DEALING WITH SAFETY OF THE RESIDENTS MOVING ABOUT THE CITY, YES. I MEAN ANYTHING IS UP FOR DISCUSSION AND THAT THAT ONE IS THE FOURTH ONE DOWN. THAT'S, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S A LITTLE HIGHER ON THE PRIORITY LIST. AND THAT WOULD BE TO ADD $315,000. LEMME MAKE SURE I'M ON IT ON THE SCREEN SO PEOPLE CAN SEE IT. SO YES, THAT, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY SOMETHING TO DISCUSS. AND THEN THE SIDEWALK REPAIR AND INSTALLATION, IS THAT ALSO PART OF THE SIDEWALKS THAT ARE MISSING, THAT ARE NEEDED FOR SAFE TRAVEL TO, TO AND FROM SCHOOL? YES. WE HAVE SOME MONEY IN THE BUDGET NOW FOR SIDEWALKS, I BELIEVE. WHERE'S LARRY? YES. AND THIS WOULD AUGMENT THAT AMOUNT AND WOULD ADD TO IT ADDITIONAL AMOUNT, ADDITIONAL MONEY FOR THAT PURPOSE? YES. OKAY. I'M JUST, OKAY. WOULD YOU LIKE A MORE IN-DEPTH EXPLANATION WHAT'S IN THOSE OR YES, YES, PLEASE. OKAY. IF YOU COULD, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY BE NOW. I GUESS IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT CAN COME LATER, I'M JUST INTERESTED IN WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT TRAINING, KNOWING THAT THAT KEEPS PEOPLE UP TO DATE AND GET THEM WHAT THEY NEED. IF IT'S MORE THAN THAT, AND I DO KNOW THE COST FOR TRAVEL AND TRAINING GOES UP. I KNOW THAT WITH THE TML, WE JUST DID A 5% INCREASE FOR, UM, UM, REGISTRATIONS AND THERE'LL BE 5% THIS YEAR AND 3% NEXT YEAR BECAUSE OF COSTS THAT ARE BEING PASSED ON THAT WE WERE ACCEPTING THE COST. BUT NOW IT'S GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE WE CAN'T HANDLE THOSE COSTS. UM, SO YOU, YOU, BECAUSE THE SIDEWALKS, THE SIDEWALKS AND REPAIR INSTALLATION AND THE TRAFFIC SAFETY, IF THOSE ARE THINGS THAT, I KNOW THEY'RE ON THE BELOW THE CUT LINE, BUT IS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE, I KNOW WE ALREADY HAVE SOME FUNDING FOR THAT. SO ARE THESE ON, THIS IS EXTRA PROJECTS ON TOP OF WHAT WE'RE PLANNING TO DO? YES. OKAY. YES MA'AM. THIS WOULD INCREASE THE NUMBER OF PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO. SO THE QUESTION WOULD PROBABLY BE WHAT DO WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN THE BUDGET? RIGHT? AND THEN THIS IS IN ADDITION TO, SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU ALREADY HAVE $200,000 FOR SIDEWALKS AND YOU'RE ASKING FOR ANOTHER HUNDRED, IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE NOT DOING SIDEWALKS. YOU'RE ONLY DOING $200,000 WORTH OF SIDEWALKS. LARRY, YOU WANNA COME UP TO THE TABLE BY JIM? THERE YOU GO. AND THEN KATHY, DO YOU WANNA COME UP HERE? YOU CAN SIT IN MY SEAT IF YOU WANT KATHY, OR YOU CAN EITHER WAY. ALRIGHT. NOW THAT THE AIR CONDITIONER IS OFF, COULD YOU SAY THAT AGAIN? PLEASE? WHAT ARE THE PROJECTS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE AND BUDGETED FOR? AND WHAT WOULD BE THESE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO THAT WOULD EXPAND THAT? OKAY. AND I WOULD KICK THAT OVER TO KATHY. THERE WE GO. OKAY. SO, UM, I THINK LARRY'S BETTER POSITIONED TO TALK ABOUT THE SIDEWALKS. I'LL TALK ABOUT THE, UM, TRAFFIC SAFETY. UM, THE TRAFFIC SAFETY PROJECTS ARE IDENTIFIED BY, UH, THINGS THAT COME THROUGH T SAC. UH, THERE ARE A, A VARIETY OF PROJECTS. SOME ARE CROSSWALK INSTALLATION [01:30:01] OR ENHANCEMENTS. UH, THERE'RE ALSO OUTSOURCED STUDIES THAT, UH, CITIZENS HAVE BROUGHT TO ATTENTION OUR ATTENTION, SOME UNSAFE SITUATIONS. SO IN ORDER TO DETERMINE WHAT THE BEST SOLUTION FOR THAT IS, WE WOULD, UH, REQUEST AN OUTSOURCED STUDY. UM, AND OVER THE YEARS WE'VE TRIED TO JUST SQUEEZE DOLLARS OUT OF THE PUBLIC WORK'S, NORMAL OPERATIONS BUDGET TO TAKE CARE OF THINGS JUST AS BEST WE CAN. BUT THEY'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO MEET ALL OF THE, THE SAFETY ENHANCEMENTS THAT ARE BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION AS REQUESTS FROM CITIZENS AND THEN PUT THROUGH THE PROCESS AND RECOMMENDED BY T SAC. UH, SO FOR THE, THE SIDEWALK MAINTENANCE CURRENTLY, UH, AND JAMES MIGHT BE ABLE TO PINPOINT EXACTLY, I THINK WE HAVE 92 OR $93,000 AND KIND OF A SIDEWALK MAINTENANCE OR CONCRETE SERVICES. UH, WE ALSO TAKE CARE OF SOME LIKE, UH, REPAIRS AFTER UTILITY WORKERS STUFF WITH SOME OTHER FUNDS. SO LIKE STREET MAINTENANCE FUNDS. UH, BUT THERE IS A LIGHT ITEM THAT'S I BELIEVE 92 OR NINE 3000 THAT WE, WE TRY TO TACKLE SOME, UM, DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS EVERY YEAR, KIND OF THE WORST OF 'EM EVERY YEAR. AND SO WE WILL, WE'LL TACKLE A FEW STREETS IN, UH, IN DIFFERENT AREAS OF TOWN JUST TO TRY TO GET THE WORST OF THE SIDEWALK. BUT TYPICALLY WE USE IT FOR REPAIR FOR THOSE AREAS. AND SO THIS ADDITIONAL, WE WOULD LIKE TO FILL SOME OF THOSE GAPS. SO WE CREATED THIS SIDEWALK, UH, DASHBOARD KIND TO SHOW WHERE ALL THOSE MISSING GAPS WERE. UH, WE'D LIKE TO FILL IN SOME OF THOSE. IT, IT WOULDN'T GO A LONG WAY, RIGHT? BUT IT WOULD, IT WOULD HELP TO FILL IN THOSE GAPS. AND SO MOSTLY WE'D LIKE TO USE THAT TO, UH, START FILLING IN THOSE SMALLER GAPS AND THEN CONTINUE WHAT'S IN THE BUDGET FOR REPAIR WORK AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. AND I CAN ALSO SPEAK, UM, JUST BRIEFLY TO AT LEAST THE ENGINEERING TRAINING AND TRAVEL REQUESTS. OUR STAFF HAS INCREASED, UH, TWO 11 POSITIONS, UM, VERY QUICKLY OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS. AND WE HAVE SOME NEW YOUNG FOLKS THAT ARE VERY ENTHUSIASTIC AND LOOKING TO GET THEM INVOLVED IN MORE TRAINING AND TRAVEL THAN JUST THE FREE WEBINARS THAT POP UP. UM, AND, UH, SO WE CURRENTLY HAVE, UM, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 9,000 AND $10,000 FOR TRAINING AND TRAVEL FOR 11 POSITIONS. UM, SO WE'RE REQUESTING SOME SUPPLEMENTAL TO THAT SO THAT WE CAN REALLY GO. SO FOLKS, EVERYONE IN THE DEPARTMENT CAN, UH, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF SOME CONFERENCES AND THINGS THAT ARE, UM, A LITTLE MORE SUBSTANTIAL THAN WHAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO ACHIEVE. AND I, UH, CITY SECRETARY, YOU WANNA OFFER A, AN EXPLANATION OF THE TRAVEL AND TRAINING REQUEST? YES. UM, THE TRAVEL AND TRAINING REQUEST, UH, WAS FOR, AS MS. HAYWARD MENTIONED, A LOT OF THE REGISTRATIONS ARE GONE UP. TRAVEL ITSELF HAS GONE UP, BUT ALSO WITH OUR DEPARTMENT, UM, THE CITY SECRETARY AND DEPUTY, UM, WE GO THROUGH THIS, THE CITY SECRETARY CERTIFICATION PROGRAM AND WE MUST BE CERTIFIED EVERY FIVE YEARS. WITHIN THOSE FIVE YEARS WE HAVE TO TAKE, UM, EIGHT SEMINARS AND ADDITIONAL HOMEWORK CREDITS, WHICH BE WEBINARS AND SUCH. AND WITH THOSE HAVING TO BE PART OF OUR CERTIFICATION AND KIND OF MANDATORY FOR US, UM, THE INCREASE WAS TO HELP TACKLE SOME OF THOSE, UH, SEMINARS THAT HAVE GONE UP, THE TRAVEL AND TRAINING INCREASE. ALL RIGHT. AND I'VE HIGHLIGHTED ON THE SCREEN THAT THE FOUR THAT WERE MENTIONED, SO THE SIDEWALK REPAIR TRAFFIC SAFETY PROJECT AND THE, UH, TRAVEL AND TRAINING FOR THE CITY SECRETARY AND FOR THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. DID THAT ANSWER ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS? DID THAT ANSWER QUESTIONS FOR THE ENTIRE COUNCIL? ANY OTHER ITEMS BELOW THE CUT LINE AND THEN LASER FISH TO CLOUD? UH, OH. YEAH. SO DO WE, JACK, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COST OF THAT IS. IS IT EVERYONE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, $10,000? DID WE HAVE A KIND OF BALLPARK FIGURE [01:35:01] OF WHAT THAT COULD BE? YOU CAN JUMP RIGHT UP. IT DOESN'T MATTER. YOU CAN JUMP UP TO THE TABLE IF YOU WANT. LATEST GUESSTIMATE THAT WE HAD FROM THE VENDOR HADN'T HEARD BACK YET FROM THE MANUFACTURER WAS ABOUT $18,000, $18,000. BUT THAT'S A GUESS. THERE'S STEVE, IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS, WE CAN TAKE A, A GOOD BREAK HERE. UH, LET'S SAY ABOUT YES. YES SIR. 10 MINUTE BREAK. WE'LL, YOU'RE ALMOST, DO YOU WANNA PICK THIS DISCUSSION UP AFTER WE, 'CAUSE STAFF WOULD LIKE DIRECTION ON WHETHER THESE GET ADDED OR NOT? YES. AND HOW WE ADJUST. OKAY. WE'LL DO THAT. DO YOU WANNA DO THAT NOW OR AFTER THE BREAK? WE CAN, WELL TAKE A BREAK. I TAKE A BREAK. OKAY. YEAH. HOW LONG, MAYOR? UH, WE'LL TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK. OKAY. ALRIGHT. WE'RE RESUMING OUR MEETING, OUR BUDGET MEETING FOR, UH, FOR 2025. 2026. ALRIGHT, WE'RE BACK ONLINE. UH, STEVE, THANK YOU MAYOR. I WILL OFFER ONE CLARIFICATION NOTE. SO JACK WAS ABLE TO CONFIRM DURING THE BREAK ON THE LASER FISH MOVING THAT WE, THAT ITEM IS NO LONGER NECESSARY. SO WE CAN TAKE THE HIGHLIGHT OFF OF THAT ONE BECAUSE WE ARE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE SECURITY ISSUE, UH, WITH OUR CURRENT ON PREMISES. YEAH, THAT'S FINE. ON, ON PREMISES FACILITIES RATHER THAN GOING TO THE CLOUD. SO THAT ONE IS GOOD. SO THERE ARE THREE ITEMS THAT ARE FOUR ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE TABLE. AND ARE THERE ANY OTHERS BY ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT MAYBE WANT TO DISCUSS BELOW THE CUT LINE? NOW I WILL SAY THIS, IN OUR FIVE YEAR PROJECTION, WE DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF WIGGLE ROOM ABOVE. SO IF YOU'LL REMEMBER ON THE SLIDES AND GO UP TO THE MULTI, OH, LET ME, AH, NO, DON'T DO THAT. STOP IT, IT, IT, THIS NEVER COOPERATES IN THIS FORMAT, SO MY APOLOGIES. OKAY. SO LOOKING AT THE, THE FIVE YEAR FORECAST, YOU CAN SEE WE'RE AT 27% FOR THE FUND BALANCE FOR THIS YEAR OR FOR WHAT WE'RE PROJECTING FOR, UH, FOR 25 26 NEXT FISCAL YEAR. SO THAT'S A A LITTLE BIT ABOVE. IT'S ABOUT $400,000 ABOVE OUR 26% POLICY AMOUNT THAT WE WANT TO KEEP. I WOULD SAY THOUGH, IF YOU INTEND TO USE THAT MONEY TO MOVE SOMETHING ABOVE THE CUT LINE UP, IT'S FOR ONE TIME EXPENSE ONLY. THAT'S NOT A REPEATING REVENUE. AND I HIGHLY ADVISE AGAINST ADDING SOMETHING THAT HAS AN ONGOING COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. SO TAKE FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU WANTED TO SPEND THAT MONEY ON THE SAFETY TRAFFIC SAFETY PROJECTS, THEN IT'S ONLY FOR ONE YEAR. IT'S NOT FOR ONGOING PURPOSES, ADDING IT INTO THE BASE BUDGET. SO, SO WE DO HAVE THAT, IT'S ROUGHLY THE EQUIVALENT OF $400,000, BUT IT WOULD BE ON A ONE TIME BASIS. SO BETWEEN THOSE TWO, IT'S $415,000. JAMES, WHAT'S OUR, OUR PROBABLY MORE EXACT NUMBER? 412. OKAY. SO WE WERE LEAVING THAT IN THERE AS A LITTLE BIT OF A BUFFER FOR COMFORT PURPOSES TO MAKE ME FEEL BETTER ABOUT THE DI , THE DIRECTION WE'RE HEADING. AND IT'S ALWAYS NICE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF BUFFER, BUT IF WE WANT TO MOVE UP THOSE TWO ITEMS, IT WOULD ACCOMMODATE THOSE TWO ITEMS. THE OTHER TWO ARE ONGOING. I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY RECOMMEND USING THAT MONEY FOR THAT, BUT EITHER PULLING OUT AN ONGOING COST OR INCREASING THE TAX RATE OR SOME OTHER FEE BY AN EQUIVALENT AMOUNT. SO FOR CLARITY, UH, THE 400 AND PLUS 12,412, IF WE LOOK AT ANYTHING BELOW THE CUT LINE, IT SHOULD NOT HAVE AN ANNUAL REOCCURRING, UH, COST FOR US TO CONSIDER. AM I CORRECT? YES. SO THE WAY THESE WERE PROPOSED, THOSE TWO, THE TAKE TAKE STREETS AND ENGINEERING LINES 37, THE TWO TOP HIGHLIGHTED, THOSE ARE PROPOSED TO BE ONGOING. I WOULD SAY IF YOU ADDED 415,500 FOR THOSE TWO ITEMS INTO THE BUDGET, [01:40:01] IT'S A ONE TIME AD. IT'S CONSIDERED A ONE TIME AD. AND SEE HOW IT'S GOT THESE ANNUAL RECURRINGS OUT HERE, IT WOULD NOT BE BUILT INTO THEIR BASE TO OCCUR YEAR AFTER YEAR. WHERE IF YOU LOOK AT THE CITY SECRETARIES REPLACING THE BULLETIN BOARD, THAT IS A ONE TIME COST. THAT'S, IT DOESN'T COST US ANYMORE. UM, I'M, WHICH 54? SO LET ME GO DOWN TO 54. YES. SO CITY SECRETARY BULLETIN BOARDS IS A ONETIME COST AND THE ONE BELOW THAT ON THE, UH, FIRE E RESCUE TWO REPLACEMENT PROGRAM, THAT'S ALSO ONETIME COST NUMBER 56. SO THOSE ARE THE ITEMS THAT, UH, COUNCIL MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER, UH, MOVING THE BULLETIN BOARDS. I'M SORRY, I, I APOLOGIZE. MY, I'M THE STEP MAYOR. I'M THE STEP BEHIND, UH, THE FIRE RESCUE TOOL. 80,000. 80,000. SO, OKAY, NOW I JUST MENTIONED THAT FOR, FOR CLARITY FOR THE COUNCIL. YES, SIR. OKAY. YEAH. SO I, I WOULD SAY WITHOUT RAISING THE TAX RATE ABOVE THE, THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE, THEN YOU'VE GOT ROUGHLY 412,000 TO SPEND. SO YOU CAN MIX AND MATCH IT HOWEVER YOU WANT. QUESTION? YES SIR. WHAT ABOUT THE, UH, THE DITCHES, UH, THAT, THAT THE CITY'S RESPONSIBLE FOR IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS? SO WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A PRESENTATION LATER ON THE, THE, UH, DRAINAGE FUND. SO THAT'S KIND OF MAINTAINED THROUGH THE DRAINAGE FUND. IT'S SEPARATE FROM THE GENERAL FUND, AND YOU'RE GONNA SEE A PRESENTATION ON THAT. GOTCHA. YES SIR. SO BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS IF WE, WE DID THE, THE TRAFFIC SAFETY AND UM, SIDEWALKS IS A ONE-TIME THING, WE COULD DO THAT, BUT PREFERABLY THAT'S NOT THE WAY WE SHOULD GO BECAUSE IT SHOULD BE AN ON ONGOING INCURRING COST, INCURRING ONGOING COST, RECURRING COST. CAN'T THINK THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS PROPOSED. OKAY. SO THE WAY IT'S PROPOSED. SO THAT WOULD ALMOST MEAN IF WE WANTED TO COVER THOSE, WE WOULD HAVE TO INCREASE THE TAX RATE IF YOU WANTED TO KEEP IT AS AN ONGOING YES. TO, TO, TO ADD, BECAUSE MY CONCERN IS 400,000, I WOULD RECOMMEND RAISING TAX RATES IF IT'S PUTTING IN SIDEWALKS WHERE THEY NEED TO BE FOR SAFETY PURPOSES. AND THEN SOME OF THESE OTHER THINGS WHERE THEY'RE SAYING SOME OF THESE ARE SOME DANGEROUS SITUATIONS, WHY WOULDN'T WE WANT TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE TO MAKE IT SAFE FOR THE FOLKS IN THE CITY? I, I, I MEAN YES, THAT'S A POLICY DECISION TO INCREASE THE FUNDING ON AN ONGOING BASIS TO, TO ACHIEVE THOSE OBJECTIVES. YES. AND I, I, THE ONLY THING I WOULD MAYBE SAY A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY ON THE SIDEWALKS IS A LOT OF, A LOT OF IT IS REPAIR AS WELL. SO WE GOT, YOU KNOW, I GOT A PICTURE THE OTHER DAY OF A SIDEWALK THAT'S DOING THIS AND WE'LL HAVE TO GO IN AND REPAIR THAT. I'VE GOT ANOTHER ONE WHERE A TREE IS PUSHING IT UP AND IT'S BREAKING IT UP, SO WE GOTTA GO REPAIR IT. SO THAT'S WHAT THAT MONEY GOES TO ALSO. WELL, LARRY, HE WAS EXPLAINING TO ME THAT THE MONEY THAT'S IN THERE IS MORE FOR, SHOULD BE MORE FOR REPAIR. AND THIS ONE IS MORE FOR PUTTING IN NEW SIDEWALKS IN AREAS THAT NEED TO BE CORRECT. I I THINK IT WOULD BE FOR BOTH. I THINK. I THINK IT WOULD BE FOR BOTH. YES. BECAUSE EVEN IF THEY'RE, IT'S GONNA DEPEND YEAR ON YEAR. RIGHT? WELL, SO IF WE DON'T HAVE A MUNCH YEAH. AND I'M JUST THINKING LIKE EVEN THOSE THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, SLANTED TREE BRIDGE, THAT KIND OF THING, IT, SOMEONE'S IN A WHEELCHAIR OR ON A SCOOTER, IT'S UNSAFE AND THEN THEY YES, MA'AM, HAVE SOME ISSUES. 'CAUSE TO ME SAFETY IS, IS KEY IN MY OPINION. BUT, BUT TO, TO KIND OF, TO THE HEART OF YOUR QUESTION, IF WE ADDED, YOU KNOW, $5,000 OR SOMETHING FOR TRAVEL, DOES THAT HAVE A BIG IMPACT ON THE NO. ON A $53 MILLION GENERAL FUND? NO. BUT DOES $400,000 HAVE ON AN ONGOING BASIS HAVE AN IMPACT ON IT? I WOULD SAY YES. AND YOU SHOULD ACCOMPANY THAT WITH A REVENUE SOURCE. OKAY. SOME SORT OF REVENUE SOURCE. SO, SO THEN IF WE WERE TO THIS TRAINING, I KNOW IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S WHAT, MAYBE 21,000 IF YOU DID CITY SECRETARY OF ENGINEERING. IF, IF THAT'S THE PRIORITY OF THE COUNCIL, THEN WE CAN, I DON'T KNOW, WE CAN MOVE THAT UP. YES. I JUST KNOW THAT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TRAINING AND THEN WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY GO TO, THAT GIVES YOU AN IN-DEPTH LOOK AS OPPOSED TO LIKE A LOT OF THE FREE ONES DON'T ALWAYS, THEY GIVE YOU SOMETHING, THEN YOU DON'T GET ALL OF IT. AND IF IT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR STAFFS IS CERTIFIED AND TRAINED THE WAY THEY NEED TO, TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE KEEPING UP, WHY WOULDN'T WE WANT THEM GOING TO TRAINING? THOSE ARE JUST MY TWO TAKES, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REST OF COUNCIL IS. I'M JUST THE ONE PERSON. YES, MA'AM. [01:45:07] SO WE'VE GOT, OH GOSH, MOUSE APOLOGIES, Y'ALL. SO THERE IS, SORRY. AND I'LL EVEN SAY THE MAYOR SAYING THE TWO THINGS THAT ARE NOT REOCCURRING. I'M FINE WITH PUTTING THAT IN OUR ONE TIME USE OF, WE HAVE THE MONEY. I'M SORRY, COULD YOU, SO TELL ME WHICH TWO GO, WHICH THE TWO THAT THE ANYTHING DASH THE ANYTHING THAT DOESN'T HAVE A DASH OVER THERE. . . OKAY. SO THE INCREASE TRAVEL AND TRAINING FOR CITY SECRETARY. I, WELL, NO, HE WAS SAYING THE E RESCUE TOOL PROGRAM AND YES. REPLACING BULLET BOARDS THAT COULD GO INTO THE BUFFER THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. AND THEN THE OTHERS WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A FUNDING SOURCE. YEAH, I, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND. ANYTHING THAT'S A ONE TIME, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE GOOD UP TO $412,000. I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE GOING UP TO THE FOUR 15 IF YOU DECIDED TO DO BOTH OF THOSE FIRST TWO ITEMS ON A ONE YEAR BASIS. ANYTHING BEYOND THAT, WE PROBABLY SHOULD START TALKING ABOUT IF IT'S SIGNIFICANT DOLLARS, TALKING ABOUT RAISING THE TAX RATE OR INCREASING A FEE. IS THERE, IS THERE ANY OTHERS THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER MOVING UP? UH, BESIDES THE, UH, E RESCUE AND THE, UH, THE BULLETIN BOARD? UH, IF, IF YOU'RE ASKING ME YES, I WOULD SAY, I'M ASKING YOU, MY RECOMMENDATION IS IN PRIORITY ORDER, SO YOU CAN GO STRAIGHT DOWN THE LIST. OKAY. AND THOSE WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATIONS. SO WE GO DOWN THE LIST, WE HAVE, OH, YOU'D HAVE TO SKIP A WHILE TO GET DOWN TO THE NON-RECURRING, BUT YES, THE FIRST NON-RECURRING WOULD BE THE, UH, R 1900 CRADLE POINT AND, AND THE LIGHTS. YEAH, IT'D BE PARKING, RECREATION. I, I JUST THINK U RESCUE IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE LIGHTS. I'M NOT SURE WHY THE PRIORITY LIST IS, WELL, MY PRIORITY LIST IS DIFFERENT THAN THIS ONE. THAT'S CORRECT. YES, SIR. SO COUNCIL AND, AND, AND THAT, LIKE I SAY, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS UP TO THE COUNCIL. MM-HMM . YOU, YOU, IT'S YOU, IT'S YOUR BUDGET TO ADOPT ULTIMATELY. AND, AND YOU KNOW, IF AS A BODY YOU DECIDE TO CHANGE THIS, THAT'S ENTIRELY WITHIN YOUR PREROGATIVE, UH, I DO RECOMMEND THAT, UH, THE CITY SECRETARY'S BULLETIN BOARD, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT $3,000. I THINK WE SHOULD MOVE THAT. UH, THE COST IS MINIMAL. UH, I AGREE WITH THE E RESCUE TOOL REPLACEMENT PROGRAM, BUT IF WE GO COUNSEL ANY OTHERS THAT YOU WANNA MOVE UP, BESIDES THOSE TWO, IT'S, SEE FOR ME, IF I'M GOING PRIORITY AND WE DO IT AS A ONE TIME THING, THEN I THINK STREETS AND TRAFFIC SAFETY PROJECTS. BUT THOSE AREN'T, BUT I KNOW, BUT STEVE SAID WE COULD DO IT AS A ONE TIME THIS TIME, BUT IF IT'S REOCCURRING AND WE WANNA MAKE IT REOCCURRING, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO DO A FUNDING SOURCE AND, AND IT WOULD COME BACK NEXT YEAR AS A SUPPLEMENTAL REQUEST ON AN ONGOING BASIS AGAIN. SO THEN, SO YOU'D SEE IT AGAIN NEXT YEAR. SO THEN WE NEED TO JUST DO THIS IF WE, IF IT WERE, WE JUST HAVE TO DO THAT. SO I'M, I'M, I WOULD SAY THAT $315,000 WOULD KNOCK OUT A LIST, A COUPLE OF PRO, I MEAN, THERE'S A LIST OF PROJECTS AND THAT THREE 15 KNOCKS 'EM OUT. AND THEN THE ASSUMPTION WOULD BE THAT A NEW LIST GETS GENERATED EACH YEAR. SO, BUT THIS DOES ADDRESS A SPECIFIC LIST THAT HAS GONE TO T SAC AND BEEN RECOMMENDED. OKAY. AND SO BASED ON MAYOR, YOUR QUESTION AND MY, MY RECOMMENDATION MM-HMM . IS THE PRIORITIZATION. I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU. $3,000 IS NOT A LOT OF MONEY. THE, THE, IF YOU WERE TO GO DOWN, I, I WOULD RECOMMEND THOSE TWO PROJECTS OR SOME AMOUNT OF THOSE PROJECTS, THE, THE SIDEWALK RELATED AND THE STREET SAFETY RELATED. AND IF Y'ALL DECIDED THAT THE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WAS, WAS A, YOU KNOW, A PRIORITY, MAYBE MOVING, MOVING THAT IN AND REDUCING ONE OF THOSE OTHER TWO, BUT ALL OF THEM BE ON A ONE TIME BASIS. UNLESS I GOT ANOTHER QUESTION, SIR. WHAT'S THE CAPACITY OF THE, UH, UH, DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS TO, TO ADD THOSE, UM, ADD THOSE EFFORTS? YOU KNOW, SO FOR EXAMPLE, LARRY, CAN YOU, CAN YOU EASILY INCREASE OR ADD ANOTHER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS WORTH OF, UH, SIDEWALK WORK WITHOUT, UH, SO, SO THEY, SO EACH DEPARTMENT WAS GIVEN A TARGET BUDGET FOR THEIR NON-PERSONNEL [01:50:01] AND NON-CAPITAL ITEMS. RIGHT. AND WITHIN THAT TARGET, THEY ALLOCATED THINGS OUT TO DO THEIR OPERATIONS. SO THESE SUPPLEMENTAL REQUESTS REQUEST, THEY REPRESENT THINGS THAT ARE ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT. SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO REPRIORITIZE WHAT THEY'RE DOING TO ABSORB THIS INTO THEIR BUDGET. SO IT'D MEAN THEY WOULD DO, THEY WOULDN'T DO SOMETHING ELSE TO DO THAT. AND THEY'VE ALREADY KIND OF GONE THROUGH THAT PROCESS AS DEPARTMENTS AND MADE THOSE DECISIONS AND NOW THEY DECIDED TO REQUEST DO A SUPPLEMENT, A SUPPLEMENTAL REQUEST TO GET THAT ADDITIONAL FUNDING. YEAH, BUT SORRY, JUST TO MAYBE HEARING FROM THE SIDE, IF, IF THE QUESTION IS CAN PUBLIC WORKS TAKE THIS A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS AND GET IT SPENT ON SIDEWALKS DESPITE NOT GETTING THE PERSONNEL THAT THEY ASKED FOR AS WELL? I THINK IN THIS CASE THEY CAN, CAN THEY EASILY DO IT? IT'S GONNA BE MORE WORK, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S GONNA BE TOUGH, BUT PART OF THIS WILL CONTRACT OUT. WE'LL KIND OF GO IT THAT WAY. SO YEAH, IF THEY GET THE FUNDING FOR THE SIDEWALKS, IF THE FUNDING IS FOR THE T SAC IMPROVEMENTS, WE CAN GET THOSE DONE WITH THE STAFF THAT, THAT WE WILL HAVE, JUST TO BE CLEAR, IT'S, IT, IT, IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE NOT ALREADY BUSY. WE'RE GONNA GO AND THEY'RE GONNA BE BUSIER, BUT YEAH, WE CAN DO IT. UNDERSTAND, I APOLOGIZE IF I, I MISSED THAT, BUT WE'RE GONNA, AND WE'RE GONNA SELECT PROJECTS. FRANKLY, M SAYS THIS, THAT THAT MAY AFFECT WHICH SIDEWALK PROJECTS WE PICK. RIGHT? WE MAY DO A BIGGER, LONGER SECTION, WHICH IS MORE EASY FOR US TO DO AND EFFICIENT THAN A BUNCH OF LITTLE SMALL ONES. RIGHT. THAT'S THE EFFECT. BUT YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN DO THE SIDEWALKS, WE CAN DO THE T STUFF, BUT WE HAD, IF WE HAD A A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR TO THE SIDEWALK BUDGET, DO WE NEED ANOTHER PERSON TO YEAH, I MEAN I THINK, I THINK WHAT YOU'LL, HERE'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT. WHAT YOU'LL GET FROM US, WHAT YOU'LL GET FROM US IF, IF WE KEEP GETTING THAT FUNDED IS YOU'LL KEEP SEEING THESE PERSONNEL COSTS ASK FOR 'CAUSE. RIGHT. THE ISSUE THAT PUBLIC WORKS STREETS HAS, FOR EXAMPLE, AND THAT'S WHO HANDLES THE SIDEWALK STUFF, IS EVERY YEAR WE ARE ACCEPTING NEW SUBDIVISIONS. SO EVERY YEAR THEY PICK UP NEW STREETS AND NEW SIDEWALKS THAT THEY HAVE TO MAINTAIN AND WE'RE NOT ADDING PERSONNEL TO DO IT. AND SO THEY CAN ABSORB, THEY CAN ABSORB, THEY CAN KIND OF SHIFT STUFF AROUND, THEY CAN ABSORB AND IT, IT SORT OF HELPS. THE OTHER THING THAT KIND OF HELPS, AND THIS IS A LITTLE BIT, IS RIGHT, YOU'LL SEE THE PROPOSAL ON THE DRAINAGE FUND TO INCLUDE, TO INCLUDE A FLOOD POINT ADMINISTRATOR IF COUNCIL GOES UP ON THE FEE AND WE FUND THAT FLOOD POINT ADMINISTRATOR THAT WORK CURRENTLY IS BEING DONE AS THEY CAN BETWEEN PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING. SO IT ADDS A BIT OF CAPACITY BACK. RIGHT. SO THAT'S, THAT'S HOW THIS WORKS. YEAH. BUT YOU'RE RIGHT. AT SOME POINT, PUBLIC WORKS IS GONNA GO, DUDE, WE ARE TOAST, WE ARE DONE, WE BURNT PEOPLE OUT. I I CAN'T KEEP DOING IT. AND WE'LL SEE THOSE NUMBERS FALL OFF, BUT THIS YEAR WE CAN. OKAY, WELL, AND I, AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT OTHER COSTS ARE WE GONNA HAVE TO INCUR OVER A LONG, LONGER PERIOD? AND, AND, AND I DID MISS THAT WHAT YOU WERE ASKING THERE. I WOULD SAY THOUGH, WE WOULD STILL LIKE TO HAVE THE MONEY BECAUSE WE CAN CONTRACT THOSE OUT, RIGHT. EVEN SOME OF THOSE SMALLER JOBS THAT ARE SIDEWALK, EVEN THOUGH OUR STAFF MIGHT NOT BE DOING IT, WE, WE COULD HIRE SOMEBODY TO DO IT. WHETHER IT COSTS MORE, IT COSTS LESS, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE SIMILAR IN TERMS OF THE, THE AMOUNT OF APPLICATION, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH IT COSTS. SO YEAH, I WOULD STILL WANNA PUT THE MONEY IN THERE, EVEN IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THE STAFF, WE COULD CONTRACT IT OUT. ALL RIGHT. OTHER DISCUSSION? SO THE, SO THE TOTAL AMOUNT, IF YOU WERE TO ADD ALL OF THESE UP IS $524,000. SO I GUESS WHAT, WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL IF THERE ARE ITEMS TO BE MOVED UP, WHICH ONES AND HOW MUCH. BUT I, I, BUT I'M NOT, I DON'T THINK I'M HEARING DIFFERENTLY THAT THERE SHOULD BE ANY ONGOING COSTS MOVE UP AT THIS POINT IN TIME. AND, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M MISINTERPRETING THAT GOOD. OKAY. WELL YOU'RE SAYING THAT ALL THESE ARE FOR A ONE-TIME, A ONE-TIME DEAL, CORRECT. SO, YES. SO OUR, WE'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY ABOVE WHAT OUR, OUR POLICY MINIMUM IS FOR, FOR THE RESERVE AMOUNT, THE FUND BALANCE AMOUNT, AND THE GENERAL FUND, IT WAS JUST 26%. SO WE'RE ACTUALLY LANDING AT 27%. SO WE'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT MORE, SO $400,000 MORE THAT WE COULD BUDGET FOR, BUT IT'S A ONE-TIME REVENUE SOURCE ONLY. IT IS NOT ONGOING. SO WE WOULD NOT WANT TO SAY ADD THREE POSITIONS BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THE MONEY THE NEXT YEAR. RIGHT. SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT YOU PICK IF IN THE ABSENCE OF INCREASING REVENUES SOMEHOW IE INCREASING THE TAX RATE BEYOND WHAT IS ALREADY PROPOSED. RIGHT. [01:55:01] THEN YOU DO NOT ADD ONGOING. IF YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT ADDING ONGOING, THAT'S PERFECTLY APPROPRIATE. AND OKAY, WE JUST WOULD NEED TO DISCUSS AN ACCOMPANYING REVENUE SOURCE TO SUPPORT THAT ONGOING COST. GOTCHA. OH, SO IF WE HAVE THE 412 AND YOU'RE SAYING THIS IS FIVE 20, WE ARE STILL SHORT, EVEN IF WE DO A ONE TIME OCCURRENCE, SO THEN MAYBE DO WE END UP SHAVING SOME OFF TO SAY, HEY, WE'LL GIVE THIS MUCH FOR SIDEWALKS, THIS MUCH FOR THE ROAD PROJECTS, THIS MUCH. WE KNOW THAT THE E-TOOL, IF THAT'S WHAT WE DECIDE TO DO, HAS TO BE PAID UPFRONT AND THEN MAYBE SHAVE A LITTLE OFF OF THEIR, OFF THE TRAINING BUDGETS TO GET TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT GOING OVER THAT. IF WE DO THIS AS A ONE-TIME OCCURRENCE, UH, WELL THE TRAINING IS, IS ONGOING. IT'S NOT A LOT OF MONEY. RIGHT. BUT IT IS AN ONGOING COST. UM, I, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE DO THE OTHER ONE TIME THINGS FIRST REALLY BEFORE THE TRAINING, BUT OKAY, SO THEN BECAUSE YOU, YOU CAN, YOU CAN SHAVE THE, THE SIDEWALKS IN THE, IN THE T SAC PROJECTS, YOU CAN'T SHAVE THE TOOL. RIGHT? IT'S 83. NO, I KNOW YOU COST 80 GRAND SAFETY TWO, IT'S 80, 80,000. THE WILLIAM BOARD'S 3000 COST THREE GRAND. YEAH. I MEAN THOSE COST WHAT THEY COST, THEY COST WHAT THEY COST. I GET THAT. YES MA'AM. BECAUSE FOR ME, MY BIGGEST THING IS JUST SAFETY FOR THE RESIDENTS. AND IF THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT THEY'VE DEEMED THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, I MEAN, GRANTED IT IS BELOW THE CUT LINE, BUT I JUST, AND SOME OF THEM SEEM TO BE ONES THAT HAVE, ARE NOT, ESPECIALLY FOR THE TSAT ARE SAYING THEY'RE, THEY'VE BEEN DEEMED UNSAFE. YES, MA'AM. THESE HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE TRAFFIC SAFETY ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE DEEMED UNSAFE SITUATIONS AND THAT'S WHY THEY'VE RECOMMENDED TO FOR US TO FUND THOSE. IT ALL SEEM TO BE QUIET TODAY. UM, UM, WELL, LET'S, YEAH, YEAH, LET'S DO THAT. I JUST, LET ME MOVE, LET ME REVERSE THIS 'CAUSE I JUST MESSED UP THE AMOUNT. SO JAMES IS GONNA PULL UP THE ACTUAL SUPPLEMENTAL REQUEST SHEETS SO Y'ALL CAN SEE THE DETAIL ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE. BUT FOR THE TRAFFIC SAFETY ITEM, THIS WAS THE COST BREAKDOWN, PROPOSED CROSSWALK INSTALLATION ENHANCEMENTS, 184,000, UH, TRAFFIC CALMING AND SIGNAGE STRIPING 41,000 OUTSOURCE STUDIES, 90,000. SO THIS WAS, UH, THE SUBMISSION, UH, DETAIL PROVIDED BY ENGINEERING ON THE ORIGINAL, WHICH CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE LOOKED OVER AND, AND USED TO PRIORITIZE THE PROJECTS. OKAY. I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE SMALL, BUT CAN YOU GUYS SEE THIS HERE? APOLOGIES HERE, LET'S GO DOWN. SO THIS IS PROBABLY THE KEY PART HERE AND THERE'S ATTACHED, IS EVERYBODY DONE LOOKING IN THIS? I CAN MOVE TO THE SUMMARY OF PROJECTS. IS THAT OKAY? JAMES, HOW DO I GET TO THE ATTACHMENT FROM THIS OR LINK OR, OH MY GOSH, IT DOESN'T LIKE THIS [02:00:13] PARTICULAR, OH, IT'S RIGHT HERE. OKAY, GOOD. ALL RIGHT. SO HERE IS THE LISTING OF PROJECTS THAT MAKES UP THAT OH ONE TOO MANY, THAT 315,000. SO LITTLE SMALL, BUT THERE'S SAVANNAH CROSSWALKS FOR 46,000 HOMESTEAD PARKWAY CROSSWALKS FOR 58,000. AND THEN THERE'S SOME TRAFFIC CALMING AND ALSATION WAY AND CROSSWALK ENHANCEMENTS IN BELMONT CROSSWALK ANTICIPATED CROSSWALK REQUESTS. SO THAT, I GUESS THAT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO SAVANNAH AND SOME OTHER PLACES. AND THEN THEN A SPECIALTY STUDY FOR BOARD, LIKE THE BOARD FELD ROAD TYPE AND THEN SPEED HUMPS THAT WE ARE ANTICIPATED. SO SOME OF THAT STUFF, KIND OF THE SECOND HALF OF THE LIST IS STUFF THAT WE ANTICIPATE WOULD HAPPEN. THE TOP ARE ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN TO T SAC AND BEEN RECOMMENDED BY T SAC. HEY, STEVE? YES, SIR. SO WHICH, WHICH ONE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? FOR, FOR SAVANNAH? I JUST REMEMBER SEVERAL US VOTING ON SEVERAL PROJECTS OFF OF SAVANNAH AND THEY'RE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC AND STUDENT SAFETY. MM-HMM . SO THE, THE SAVANNAH PROJECT IS, YOU MAY RECALL WHERE SAVANNAH CROSSES DEEDS CREEK. THERE'S NOT A SIDEWALK ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD AND, AND YOU CAN'T FIT ONE IN OVER THE BRIDGE. SO KIDS WHO LIVE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF, UM, SAVANNAH IN THAT FIRST BLOCK JUST WEST OF DEETS CREEK, THERE'S NOT A CROSSWALK FOR THEM TO GET ACROSS SAVANNAH AND THEN UP ALL THE WAY TO GO TO, TO WALK TO, UH, PASCAL. UM, AND SO WHAT THIS WOULD BE IS TO CREATE SORT OF A, A CROSSWALK AREA RIGHT THERE THAT HAS SORT OF A SAFE LANDING AREA IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD SO THEY CAN CROSS ONE LANE OF TRAFFIC AND WAIT, CROSS THE OTHER LANE OF TRAFFIC WHEN IT'S CLEAR THAT'S WHAT THE SAVANNAH CROSSWALK IS, OR THE SPAN OF PROJECT WITH PROJECTS BEING PLANNED ON THAT UP. I DON'T, AREN'T THERE PROJECTS BEING PLANNED OVER THERE? SO DON'T WE TALK ABOUT, I THINK WE JUST VOTED ON SOMETHING OVER THERE, RIGHT? UM, SO SOME HOUSING R TWO R FOUR, RIGHT? SO WHAT I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE, THE HOUSING LOCATED SOUTH OF THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT? SO IF THAT'S BUILT, THEN THOSE KIDS THEORETICALLY MAY GO TO PASCAL AS WELL. SO YOU WOULD HAVE MORE KIDS KIND OF WALKING UP FROM THE SOUTH WHO WOULD EXPERIENCE THIS PROBLEM, RIGHT? SO IF THAT STUFF GETS BUILT, THERE ARE MORE KIDS, UH, TRYING TO, TO GET THAT WAY. WELL, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. SO IF YOU'RE DEVELOPING PART OF THAT, SOMETHING DOWN IN SAVANNAH AND YOU HAVE THIS CROSSWALK ISSUE AND STUDENT SAFETY AND WALKING ISSUE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE IS I I'M SORRY I MISSED YOUR LAST COMMENT. WHAT, WHAT DID YOU, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THAT SHOULD BE ON THERE BASED UPON STUDENT SAFETY AND WALKING, WHICH IS, WHICH IS WHY STAFF WENT TO T SAC PRIORITIZED AND STAFF PUT FORWARD THAT AS A REQUEST. DON'T, DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU. SO IF, IF I'M HEARING YOU CORRECTLY, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS 46,500 SHOULD BE IN, THAT'S MY PERSONAL VIEWPOINT, YES. OKAY. YES, SIR. OKAY. I AM LOOKING AT NUMBER SIX. THE, THE STUDY WE'RE PAYING $70,000 JUST FOR THE STUDY REGARDING THE SIDEWALK ON THE OTHER SIDE WHERE THERE IS NO RESIDENTIAL. YEAH. AND I THINK THIS ONE COMES FROM AN ISSUE THAT WE HAD. I GUESS BRIAN WANTS TO EXPLAIN IT. I MEAN, IF, IF THE STUDENTS ARE COMING DOWN FROM, UH, SAMUEL CLEMONS AND GOING DOWN DOWN THE STREET, I MEAN, THEY'RE GONNA BE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT, UH, ELBOW ROAD. SO THE, THE STUDY SIX, THE COMPLEX SPECIALTY STUDY, LIKE THE BORG FELD TYPE, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT COUNCILMAN? YEAH. I MEAN THE, THE BORG FELD ROAD ACTUALLY STARTS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 30 0 9. ARE WE, ARE WE LOOKING AT THAT SIDEWALK THERE? I THOUGHT THERE WAS A SIDEWALK ALREADY THERE. NO, LET ME, LET ME, IF I CAN, LET ME SHOW YOU. UM, THIS ONE IS . YEAH. SO, WELL, NOW THIS ONE IS BECAUSE OF IT'S THE, UH, THE TAEKWONDO KARATE PLACE OVER NEXT TO THE OLD ANIMAL ADOPTION CENTER. MM-HMM [02:05:01] . SO THE SITUATION YOU'VE GOT, AND IT'S SIMILAR TO THE SAVANNAH ISSUE, RIGHT, IS THAT, UM, YOU'VE GOT KIDS WHO ARE GOING TO THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL OVER HERE WHO ARE TRYING TO GET TO THE, UH, JIUJITSU PLACE HERE. OKAY? AND AGAIN, THEY, THEY HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM IN TERMS OF A LACK OF SIDEWALK ON THE SOUTH SIDE, RIGHT? SO THEORETICALLY, I GUESS THESE KIDS, LIKE PROBABLY ME WHEN I WAS THAT AGE AND I JUST WALK WHERE I WASN'T SUPPOSED TO WALK, RIGHT? THEY'RE WALKING DOWN THE SIDEWALK AND THEN THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE HEARING FROM PEOPLE IS THEY GET DOWN HERE, THOSE KIDS DON'T WANNA WALK ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE INTERSECTION AND THEN USE THE SIDEWALK AND COME BACK. AND SO THEY ARE CROSSING BORG FILLED. SO IN A WAY I'D RELATE IT TO THE SAVANNA ISSUE. IT'S A SIMILAR KIND OF THING, RIGHT? AND SO THE STUDY, AND THIS IS WHY IT'S FAIRLY EXPENSIVE, IS IT'S A TRICKY SORT OF SITUATION. THERE'S A LOT TO LOOK AT IS WHAT IS THE SOLUTION TO BE ABLE TO GET THEM THERE. NOW, IS IT BUILDING A SIDEWALK WITH THE LIMITED FUNDS WE HAVE AND THE SIDEWALK AND EVERYTHING? AND AGAIN, THE ISSUE IS WHEN WE GET TO THE BRIDGE, CAN YOU FIT A SIDEWALK IN OR NOT? AND THEN DOWN. AND SO THAT'S WHY THE STUDY IS SO EXPENSIVE. AND SO WHAT KIND OF TS A C DIDN'T KATHY CORRECT ME, IS WITH THAT, WITH THAT, UM, WITH THE SUPPLEMENTAL REQUEST ON IT IS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE THESE STUDIES, THESE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO LOOK AT THAT HAVE BEEN HANGING OUT THERE THAT WE WANNA FUND. BUT NEXT T SAC MEETING, NEXT, YOU KNOW, NEXT WEEK THEY MAY WALK IN WITH SOMEBODY ELSE WITH ANOTHER ONE AND THEIR ANSWER'S GONNA BE, WELL, WE DON'T HAVE MONEY FOR THAT STUDY. WE GOTTA WAIT A WHOLE YEAR TO COME BACK. SO PART OF WHAT THIS WAS, WAS TO DEAL WITH THE, UH, FIXES THAT WE ALREADY SAID WE NEED TO DO. 'CAUSE THERE'S NO POINT KEEP STUDYING THINGS IF WE CAN'T IMPLEMENT. SO IT'S TO DO THE IMPLEMENTATION, IT'S TO HAVE MONEY FOR SOME OF THE MORE STUDIES. IT'S HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL MONEY BEYOND THE CURRENT PROJECT SO THAT IF SOMEBODY COMES IN THREE MONTHS FROM NOW, WE DO A STUDY, FIVE MONTHS FROM NOW, WE SAY, YEAH, WE NEED TO FIX IT. WE, WE HAVE THE MONEY IS WHY WE ASK FOR SORT OF THE ADDITIONAL FUNDS TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT SO THAT WE'RE NOT HAVING THESE LONG WAITS LIKE THE SAVANNAH THING OF A COUPLE YEARS TO DO IT. SO THAT'S WHAT THAT ONE WAS. IT'S PROBABLY CONFUSING, MAYOR, YOU THINK THE HIGH SCHOOL, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY THE SITUATION FROM THE ELEMENTARY OR THE SCHOOL IN THE TAEKWONDO. I JUST GOTTA KNOW 'CAUSE I LIVE DOWN THERE. WHAT IS THE ENHANCEMENT FOR BELMONT PARK? WHAT I KNOW THE LITTLE MAN KEEPS GETTING RUN OVER ALL THE TIME. SAME PERSON KEEPS GETTING OVER. SAME LITTLE MAN. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE SAME PERSON RUNNING THEM OVER, BUT IT'S THE SAME LITTLE MAN IN THE ROAD THAT KEEPS GETTING KNOCKED DOWN AND PEOPLE TRY TO STICK HIM BACK UP. AND I BELIEVE IT'S A SIMILAR GO AHEAD, KATHY. IT'S A CROSSWALK. NOT THAT I'M, YEAH. SO WHAT WE GET A LOT OF TIMES ARE THERE ARE EXISTING CROSSWALKS. AND SO THERE ARE A COUPLE IN BELMONT, UH, ON, ON BELMONT PARKWAY AND ON TRIPLE CROWN I THINK. UM, AND SO, SO FOR THIS ONE, IT'S NOT SPECIFICALLY THE BELMONT PARK CROSSWALK ENHANCEMENTS, IT'S CROSSWALK ENHANCEMENTS AT PLACES LIKE THOSE. UM, AND IT WOULD BE, UH, MAYBE THERE IS A CROSSWALK THERE, BUT WE NEED SOME BETTER ADVANCED WARNING WITH MAYBE SOME SOLAR POWERED LED LIGHTS TO SORT OF ENHANCE THE CROSSWALK, ENHANCE THE SAFETY OF THE CROSSWALK. SO IT'S, UH, WE USE BELMONT AS A TYPICAL OF WHAT THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD FUND THOSE SORTS OF ENHANCEMENTS AS THEY COME UP. YEAH, I GUESS THE LITTLE MAN WORKS. SOMEBODY RUNS HIM OVER . I'M GONNA HAVE TO DRIVE OUT THERE AND LOOK NOW TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS BEFORE I FLIP BACK OVER TO THE LIST. OKAY. SO WHEN I SEE THAT IT'S ALL, THIS LIST IS MAINLY GETTING KIDS FROM ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER, AND WE WANT OUR KIDS TO BE SAFE ON THE ROAD, SO WHY NOT TAKE CARE OF WHAT WE NEED TO INSTEAD OF KEEP PUSHING THE KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD BECAUSE WE'RE NOT BEING ABLE TO, WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING AND WE JUST KEEP GOING, OH YEAH, WE'LL DO IT. AND THEN WE JUST NEVER GET TO IT. I DON'T, I I THINK WE GOTTA STOP DOING THAT, IN MY OPINION. WELL, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO AT LEAST GET CAUGHT UP ON THAT LIST THAT YOU SEE. AND, UH, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S AT THE TOP OF THE LIST OF BELOW THE CUT LINE AND IT GOES ALONG WITH, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S A SAFETY ITEM AT [02:10:01] THE END OF THE DAY, BUT IT'S STREET MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR ULTIMATELY AS WELL. SO IT FITS INTO NUMBER TWO, PRIORITY AND QUALITY OF LIFE. AND WELL, IN TERMS OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN, YES. QUALITY, QUALITY OF LIFE, SAFE COMMUNITY, TWO, TWO GOALS. ALL RIGHT. SO IS THERE MAYBE A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COUNCIL OR DOES ANYBODY WANNA PUT FORWARD A RECOMMENDATION AND TO GIVE STAFF DIRECTION ON HOW TO MOVE FORWARD? WELL, I'M FOR THE, UH, THE REPAIR OF THE STREETS, THE SIDEWALKS. ABSOLUTELY. I MEAN THE SAFETY DOES IS A BIG PART OF IT, ESPECIALLY WHEN KIDS ARE INVOLVED. SO THE SIDEWALK REPAIRS YES. OR IMPLEMENTING THE SIDEWALK. I'M ALL FOR THAT AT THE TOP OF THE LIST. OKAY. I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE, UH, SIDEWALKS ALSO. ALSO, I, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE ELSE, THE TRAFFIC SAFETY PROJECTS, I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THOSE AND MAYBE LOOK AT TRYING TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE SO WE'RE NOT PUSHING THEM DOWN THE ROAD. OKAY. SO WORKING WITHIN THE KIND OF, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE HAVE FOR ONE TIME. SO WHEN YOU SAY THAT, YOU'RE SAYING WE WOULD DO THAT NEXT YEAR AND THEN CONSIDER ANOTHER SUPPLEMENTAL REQUEST THE FOLLOWING YEAR. SO IF WE HAVE IT, AND, AND IF NO ONE HAS THE APPETITE, WHICH I KNOW A LOT OF US PROBABLY DON'T, OF RAISING THE TAX RATE ONE PENNY. SO IF WE'RE NOT HAVING THE APPETITE FOR ONE PENNY TO TAKE CARE OF THESE AS A RECURRING, BUT IF THEY'RE GONNA CONSTANTLY BE RECURRING AND BE ISSUES OF SAFETY, MAYBE THIS YEAR WE DO THE ONE TIME, AND THEN MAYBE NEXT YEAR, I GUESS WE'RE LOOKING AT MAYBE WE HAVE TO RAISE THE TAX RATES SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE IN THE CITY OF SHIRTS ARE SAFE. I MEAN, 'CAUSE WHEN I STARTED LOOKING AT THINGS THAT KEEPING THE CITY, THE, THE RESIDENTS AND THE KIDS HAVING SOME SAFETY ISSUES AND TRANS, YOU KNOW, VING THE CITY FROM SCHOOL OR DIFFERENT PLACES. I'M ALMOST WILLING TO SAY IF IT'S GONNA BE RECURRING, WE MAY NEED TO HAVE THAT CON THAT TOUGH CONVERSATION. BUT I DO KNOW THAT I THINK WE NEED TO START TAKING, MAKING SURE THAT OUR, OUR, WE DEAL WITH SAFETY ISSUES. 'CAUSE THAT'S ALSO, AS YOU SAY, ONE, IT'S SAFETY, NUMBER TWO, IT'S QUALITY OF LIFE. IT MEETS THE MARKERS OF A COUPLE OF THINGS IN OUR STRATEGIC PLAN THAT WE NEED TO KIND OF DEAL WITH AND QUICK KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD BECAUSE WE WE'RE TRYING TO BE CONSERVATIVELY PHYSICALLY CONSERVATIVE. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WHEN WE'RE BEING PHYSICALLY CONSERVATIVE, ARE WE ACTUALLY DOING RIGHT BY OUR RESIDENTS BY SAYING, HEY, WE'RE NOT GONNA INCREASE YOUR TAX RATE, BUT OH BY THE WAY, WE JUST CAN'T DO THESE PROJECTS AND WE KEEP DOING THAT. AT SOME POINT WE'RE GOING TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. ARE PEOPLE ARE GONNA KEEP, ARE COMING IN AND SAY, HEY, WHY AREN'T THESE SIDEWALKS DONE AND WHY ISN'T THIS DONE? BECAUSE YOU'RE HAVING ACCIDENTS OR SOMETHING BEYOND THAT. SO I, I'VE HEARD THOSE TWO ITEMS. IS THAT IT OR ARE THERE OTHERS? STICK WITH THAT PRIORITIES. OKAY. I, I ALSO AGREE AS FAR AS, UM, I MEAN IF, IF WE HAVE TO INCREASE IT BY, BY, I DON'T KNOW, UH, A QUARTER OF A PENNY, HALF A PENNY, THE TAX RATE IN ORDER TO, TO UH, IMPLEMENT ALL THESE SAFETIES FOR OUR, FOR OUR RESIDENTS OUT IN THE STREETS AND, UH, REPAIR MORE STREETS AND REPAIR MORE, UH, UH, SIDEWALKS, I'M ALL FOR IT. NOT ONLY THAT THOUGH, BUT TO KEEP UP WITH THE INFLATION, INFLATION GOES UP EVERY YEAR AND WE NEED TO KEEP OUR FIRST RESPONDERS UP TO PAR. I DON'T WANT THE OTHER CITIES TO BE PAYING MORE THAN PAYING THEIR, THEIR FIRST RESPONDERS MORE THAN OURS. SO I'M ALL FOR THAT. THEN WE OUGHT TO BE PAYING OUR FIRST RESPONDERS AND EVERYBODY ELSE, THE 1% COLD. OUR, OUR HOPE IS THERE. THERE'S A LOT OF, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT ARGUMENTS HERE IN THE FIRST FIVE OR 10 PRIORITIES. I GET THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT. I'M, I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT. AND WHAT, AND WE, WE, AND I ACKNOWLEDGE COMPLETELY THAT BY NOT DOING A COLA, WE ARE EFFECTIVELY SLIPPING FROM THE MARKET. WE'RE JUST IN A, [02:15:01] AN UN TENUOUS SITUATION RIGHT NOW WHERE, WHERE OUR IN, IN ORDER THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE, WHICH IS TECHNICALLY KEEPING THE SAME TAX RATE BY DEFINITION OF THE STATE OF TEXAS AT 51 65 IS, IS OUR, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. NOW. IF WE WANT TO GO ABOVE THAT TO THE, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN OR, OR CLOSER TO THE VOTER APPROVED RATE, THEN YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S UP FOR DISCUSSION. IN, IN THIS CASE, IT WOULD BE ABOUT THREE QUARTERS OF A PENNY TO BE ABLE TO KEEP THESE IN ONGOING. SO, SO LET'S SAY IF WE PULL IN COLA, BECAUSE EVERY TIME WE SLIP BACKWARDS FROM MARKET RATE, WE ALWAYS END UP BEHIND. AND WE DID THAT BIG STUDY, GAVE EVERYBODY WHAT THEY NEEDED TO KEEP THEM AT MARKET. SO IF THERE WERE, WE BROUGHT IN KOHLER AND DID JUST THE, THE SAFETY THINGS, THE STREETS AND THE ENGINEERING, WOULD THAT END UP BEING A WHOLE PENNY MORE SO THAT IN BETWEEN THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE AND THE VOTER APPROVED RATE? OH, OH GOSH. I'M NOT SURE WHAT I DID THERE. SO IT MEANS 727,000. SO I, IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 575,000 OR SO, OR I THINK THAT WAS THE DOLLAR AMOUNT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE A LITTLE ABOVE THAT. SO PROBABLY A LITTLE ABOVE A PENNY. SO ONE AND A QUARTER, ONE AND A HALF. I MEAN, 'CAUSE I, I LOOKED AT THAT, BUT IT IS JUST ONE OF THOSE WHERE IT WAS LIKE, OKAY, IT SEEMS LIKE NOBODY WAS MENTIONING IT, BUT IT'S ONE WHERE WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY TO DO JUST THAT. AND THEN WE DON'T NEED TO LOSE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY SEE SOMETHING AS MUCH AS EVERYONE GOES, OH, PEOPLE DON'T LEAVE. YEAH, THEY LEAVE FOR A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY AND IF WE'VE GOT THE RIGHT PEOPLE IN PLACE AND THEY WANT TO BE HERE, BECAUSE IF WE DON'T DO IT THIS YEAR, THEN WE GOTTA DO IT AGAIN NEXT YEAR. AND THEN IT COSTS US A LOT MORE TO DO IT NEXT YEAR. I, I WOULD SAY THAT, AND I'LL, I'LL, I'LL KIND OF STEER IT BACK TO TWO YEARS AGO WE HAD, OR A YEAR AND A HALF AGO WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION MM-HMM . THAT, OR REALLY TWO YEARS AGO, THE, THE BOOK THAT WE ALL READ DANIEL PINK'S DRIVE AND WHAT MOTIVATES FOLKS AND PAY, REALLY WE NEED TO PAY ENOUGH TO TAKE THE ISSUE OF PAY OFF THE TABLE. WE DON'T HAVE TO BE AT THE TOP OF THE MARKET. WE DON'T HAVE TO BE, BUT WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANNA BE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE MARKET WHERE IT'S ALWAYS AN ISSUE THAT'S ON THE TABLE. SO WE'RE TRYING OUR BEST TO STAND THAT RANGE. CONCEIVABLY WE SHOULD BE GOING UP A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT I, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE CONSTRAINTS THAT WE'RE UNDER. THAT'S WHY I'VE PROPOSED THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO CONTRADICT MYSELF HERE, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN NEXT YEAR WITH A, WITH THE DISABLED VETERANS HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION. IT IS STRAINING OUR FINANCES RIGHT NOW CONSIDERABLY CAUSING US TO GO UP ON THE RATE, INCREASE THE, THE ACTUAL TAX RATE ITSELF JUST TO MAINTAIN THE REVENUE THAT WE GOT LAST YEAR. YES. A RATE OF A RATE OF 5 1 8 8 WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL $726,000 AND BE EFFECTIVELY A 2.4% INCREASE ON THE TAX RATE, RIGHT? YES MA'AM. SO I, I, YOU KNOW, ACKNOWLEDGE THE CONSTRAINTS WE'RE UNDER, THERE'S AN UNCERTAINTY FOR THE FUTURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT PROJECTIONS, BUT WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS IS HEADED. ONE, WE DON'T KNOW WHERE IT'S HEADING, AND THEN WE HAVE TO WAIT A WHOLE NOTHER, YOU KNOW, BUDGET CYCLE. BUDGET CYCLE. YEAH, THANK YOU. BEFORE WE EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GONNA COME BACK AND DO WITH THE DISABLED VETERAN THING. BECAUSE IF WE WERE, WHICH I AGREE WITH THE DISABLED VETERANS, SO I PUT THAT OUT THERE. I AGREE WITH WHAT THE STATE IS DOING, BUT THE STATE NEEDS TO AT LEAST GIVE US, IN MY OPINION, AT LEAST 75% OF THAT BACK BECAUSE THAT STICKS US IN THE HOLE. AND THEN THEY GET MAD WHEN YOU'RE RAISING YOUR TAX RATE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY. 'CAUSE IF WE HAD THE, THE MONEY FROM THE DISABLED VETERANS OR THEN THEY GAVE US 75%, WE WOULD NOT BE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT TO DO AND HOW TO DO THINGS. I 100% AGREE WITH YOU AND IT'S 17% AND WITH ALL THE MONEY THAT THEY TOOK [02:20:01] IN AND THEY CAN'T POSSIBLY GO MORE THAN $9,000, $9 MILLION. IT, IT BOGGLES MY MIND. I MEAN, I'M SPEAKING TO THE CHOIR, BUT IT BOGGLES MY MIND. AND, AND IF I MAY, WE KNOW, WE KNOW NEXT YEAR WE'RE GONNA GET LESS BECAUSE THERE'S GONNA, THEY OPENED IT UP TO FOUR DIFFERENT COUNTIES, IT'LL BE LESS THAN SEVEN. SO IT'LL BE LESS. AND BECAUSE I THINK THEY OPENED, THEY HAD FOUR OR FIVE COUNTIES THAT THEY OPENED, THEY BRACKETED FOUR AND BRACKETED IT INTO THERE WHEN WE DID THE LEGISLATIVE UPDATES. SO YES, YES, THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF CITIES THAT WE WON'T PROBABLY EVEN GET 600,000. THAT'S CORRECT. BUT, BUT YOU ARE 100% CORRECT THAT THE, IF THE STATE WOULD LIVE UP TO THE FUNDING PART OF WHAT THEY, IT'S, IT'S EFFECTIVELY A UNFUNDED MANDATE THAT THAT AFFECTS ABOUT 10 TO 12 CITIES IN THE STATE. AND, AND SOME OTHERS TO A LESSER DEGREE, BUT REALLY, REALLY HARD ON US IN CILO AND THE UNIVERSAL CITIES, THE ONES ARE RIGHT AROUND BASIS, WE GET HIT THE HARDEST. IT'S AN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE OF A PROGRAM THAT OTHERWISE IS A NOBLE PROGRAM THAT PROBABLY HAS 1% EFFECT OR LESS IMPACT ON THE ENTIRE STATE. IT JUST HAPPENS TO AFFECT 20 NOW 23% OF ALL OF OUR HOMESTEADS. SO IT'S CONCENTRATED ON SMALL CITIES LIKE US. AND YES, IT HAS THE EFFECT THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHERE IT PUTS CONSIDERABLE STRAIN ON OUR GENERAL FUND. AND WE WOULD BE IN THE POSITION YOU SAW ON THE SLIDE, WE'D BE IN THE POSITION TO LOWER OUR TAX RATE ALMOST 9 CENTS IF THAT, IF WE WANTED TO STAY WHERE WE ARE OR TAKING THE POSITION THAT THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT WE ARE PROVIDING OUR RESIDENTS RIGHT NOW AND BUSINESSES IS SUPPRESSED BY 9 CENTS. IT, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S, IT'S IN OUR ONE OR THE OTHER, SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN. AND OUR LEGISLATORS ARE TRYING TO MAKE THE CITIES LOOK LIKE THE BAD GUYS IN THAT WE'RE NOT SUPPORTING THEM. UH, WHEN IT'S JUST THE OPPOSITE. YOU KNOW, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE, THOSE OF US THAT HAVE BEEN UP THERE AND LISTENED TO THEIR, UH, THEIR, UH, GUIDANCE TO THE PUBLIC, WHICH IS GO TO THE CITIES, GO TO THE COUNTIES, MAKE THEM LOWER THEIR TAXES, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST DISHEARTENING. WE NEED TO HAVE A, UH, UH, THE CITY OF, SHE'S THE CITY OF , GUADALUPE COUNTY, YOU KNOW, CAMPAIGN TO THE LEGISLATORS TO, HEY, COME ON, LIVE UP, LIVE UP TO WHAT WE, UH, HAD A, UH, CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT FOR. I WILL SUBMIT TOO, AND WE'LL HAVE TO WAIT A COUPLE OF MONTHS TO REALLY ANALYZE THIS. BUT MY SUSPICION IS, IS A LOT OF CITIES AROUND THE STATE AND ANTICIPATION OF WHAT YOU MENTIONED ABOUT THE SB SIX THAT'S IN THE SPECIAL SESSION TO LOWER THE AMOUNT OF GROWTH ABOVE THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE TO 2.5%. A LOT OF CITIES ARE GOING AHEAD AND GOING UP THE THREE POINT A HALF THIS YEAR TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY DON'T GET SQUISHED NEXT YEAR. SO IT, I, LIKE I SAID, THE FINAL ANALYSIS WILL COME TWO, TWO OR THREE MONTHS FROM NOW. BUT THAT'S MY SUSPICION THAT THIS IS WHERE WE'RE HEADED. AND THERE'S ONE CITY THAT HAD A, A BUDGET WORKSHOP YESTERDAY, AND THEY'RE HEADED IN THAT DIRECTION TO MAX OUT THERE TO GO TO THEIR VOTER PROOF RATE. THERE'S A LOT OF CITIES THAT ARE GOING TO THAT. MM-HMM . NO NEW REVENUE RATE THAT NO VOTER VOTER RATE. VOTER APPROVE RATE, VOTER APPROVE RATE BECAUSE OF THIS SPECIAL SESSION AND THEN LOOKING AT HOW IT AFFECTS US AND THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND INFLATION RATE EVEN WITH THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DO. AND THEN THERE'S A LAW THAT THAT PUTS IN PLACE THAT YOU CAN'T TELL SOMEONE TO TAKE LESS MONEY IN A DOWNTURN OR WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO FUND IT. YOU EITHER END UP LAYING PEOPLE OFF AND THAT IS NOT WHAT A LOT OF CITIES WANT TO DO. UM, AND I DON'T THINK THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT AND ENFORCE THAT. BUT WE HAVE, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING HARD. WE'VE HAD, I CAN TELL EVERYONE WE'VE HAD MORE ELECTED OFFICIAL ENGAGEMENT AT THE STATE THAN WE'VE EVER HAD BEFORE, BUT SOME OF THEM JUST STILL DON'T HEAR IT. THEY HEAR IT FROM OTHER ENTITIES THAT ARE PUSHING THINGS THAT ARE NOT GOOD FOR CITIES. AND NO MATTER HOW MUCH WE DO IT, SOMETIMES THEY'RE LISTENING TO THOSE OTHER ASSOCIATIONS AND ENTITIES THAT ARE NOT WHAT IS BEST FOR TEXANS AND THE RESIDENTS. SO ADDITIONAL 1.88 OR NO, THAT WOULD BE THE 5 1 8 8. YEAH. POINT FIVE ONE EIGHT EIGHT WOULD BRING ADDITIONAL $726,000 INTO THE PROPOSED BUDGET ON THE SCREEN AND BE A 2.4% INCREASE EFFECTIVELY ON THE TAX RATE. OKAY. AS OPPOSED TO 0.506555, [02:25:02] OH, EXCUSE ME, 5 0 6 4. AND FOR THE FINAL TAX RATE ADOPTION, IT IS A SUPER MAJORITY, FIVE OF SEVEN WOULD'VE TO VOTE. AYE, ON THE PRELIMINARY IT, IT, IT WOULDN'T AFFECT SETTING A PRELIMINARY MAXIMUM, BUT ON THE FINAL VOTE IT WOULD WOULD. SO THE 5 0 6 4 IS THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE. THAT WOULD BE A, NOT A TAX INCREASE. AND THE 5 1 8 8 IS IN BETWEEN THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE AND THE VOTER APPROVED RATE, IT WOULD BE A TAX TAX RATE INCREASE OF 1.24 CENTS. AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, WHEN WE SET THE PRELIMINARY RATE, IT CANNOT GO HIGHER, BUT IT CAN GO LOWER. YES, SIR. THAT'S CORRECT. CORRECT. UH, AND THE PACKET STAFF HAS PUT IN THE PACKET AND THE RESOLUTION, THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE OF 5 3 5 0, JUST FOR CONSIDERATION PURPOSES, AS AGAIN, THE ORIGINAL BUDGET THAT SUBMITTED WAS FUNDED AT THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE. UH, WE HAVE OPTIONS TO GO WITH, WITH THE CURRENT RATE. UM, BUT IF COUNSEL WOULD LIKE TO SET A PRELIMINARY MAXIMUM THAT THEY, OTHER THAN THE VOTER APPROVED RATE, THEY CAN DO SO IN THE MEETING WITH THE MOTION. RIGHT. SO IT'S TO IT'S ADDRESS EXACTLY WHAT YOU JUST SAID, MAYOR, TO GIVE Y'ALL THE OPTION. YOU DON'T HAVE TO, IT GIVES YOU THE OPTION. SO, MR. WILLIAMS, SO HOW DO WE FIX THIS AS, AS FAR AS, UM, UH, COUNCILMAN BROWN STATED THAT THE LEGISLATORS AT THE STATE LEVEL WERE SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE BLAMING IT ON US. WE NEED TO DO THIS, WE NEED TO DO THAT. WHAT, WHAT, WHAT CAN WE DO AS A CITY TO COUNTERACT THIS, TO MAKE THIS WORK FOR OUR CITY? I MEAN, DO WE HAVE TO CONTACT OTHER CITIES AND, AND PUSH BACK ON, ON THE STATE LEGISLATORS? WHAT CAN WE DO? I'M, I'M GLAD YOU ASKED THAT COUNCILMAN. YES. WHAT YOU JUST SAID, AS WELL AS WORKING THROUGH, WE ARE A MEMBER OF TEXT MUNICIPAL LEAGUE, AND THAT IS ANOTHER ORGANIZATION THAT'S UNDER ATTACK BY OUR STATE LEGISLATORS TO, THEY, THEY'RE, THEY ARE THE ORGANIZATION THAT HELPS US CULL THROUGH THIS LAST SESSION THAT JUST CLOSED, AND NOW WE'RE IN A SPECIAL SESSION. THERE WERE 9,000 BILLS. SO THAT'S A LOT TO READ. 'CAUSE SOME OF THESE BILLS ARE PRETTY LONG. SO WHAT TML DOES IS THEY HELP CULL IT DOWN TO THE ONES THAT AFFECT CITIES. RIGHT? SO MAYBE, UH, MAYOR PRO TEM HAYWARD CAN HELP ME ON THIS ONE, HOW MANY THAT IS. BUT IT'S SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 2,500 OR 3000 BILLS THAT JUST AFFECT CITIES. AND THEN NARROWING THAT DOWN EVEN FURTHER TO ONES WE SHOULD SUPPORT, STAY NEUTRAL OPPOSED. AND SO THEY HELP US ORGANIZE OURSELVES TO BE A PART OF THE PROCESS AND DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU JUST SAID. GO AND TALK TO OUR LEGISLATORS, TELL 'EM HOW THINGS IMPACT US. ONE OF THE INITIATIVES THAT, THAT I IMPLEMENTED TWO YEARS, TWO YEARS AGO NOW WAS A LEGISLATIVE AFFAIRS COMPONENT TO WHAT WE DO. AND KIND OF FORMALIZING THAT. THAT WAS THE PUBLIC AFFAIRS DIRECTOR, LINDA KLEPPER TOOK THAT ON IN THE INTERIM BEFORE THE, BEFORE THIS LAST SESSION. AND WE WENT OUT, WE MET WITH THE STAFF MEMBERS OF THESE ELECTED OFFICIALS AS WELL AS MET WITH THE ELECTED OFFICIALS. WHEN THE SESSION CAME AROUND, WE, WE, AGAIN, MET WITH THE ELECTED OFFICIALS. THERE ARE ALSO EFFORTS BY THE NORTHEAST PARTNERSHIP TO GET TOGETHER AND COLLECTIVELY THE MAYORS AND, AND THE COUNCIL, SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO GO AND SPEAK TO OUR ELECTED BODY, UM, OUR ELECTED REPRESENTATION AT THE STATE CAPITOL. SO YES, WE ARE TRYING VERY, VERY HARD TO PROTECT THE INTEREST AND PROTECT LOCAL CONTROL FOR CITIES AND FOR OURSELVES AT THE STATE LEVEL. WE'RE DOING ALL THAT WE CAN. WE'VE HAD SOME SUCCESSES, BUT WE'VE ALSO NOT HAD SOME SUCCESSES BECAUSE THE, WHAT WE'RE UP AGAINST IS, IS IT'S PRETTY STOUT. IT'S PRETTY STRONG. BUT, BUT EFFECTIVELY IT DOES WHAT'S BEEN DESCRIBED. IT KIND OF ERODES OUR LOCAL CONTROL AND OUR ABILITY TO, TO CONTROL OUR OWN DESTINY. I, AND I WILL, I'LL END WITH THIS. THE BIGGEST ISSUE FOR US, THE MOST DOMINANT ISSUE AT THE STATE LEVEL IS THE DISABLED VETERANS HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION. LIKE I SAID, IT'S A NOBLE PROGRAM THAT ORIGINALLY THE STATE SAID, YOU'RE GONNA GIVE THIS, AND IF YOU'RE AFFECTED MORE THAN 1%, WE WILL GIVE YOU 98% BACK OF WHAT YOU LOST. THEY HAVE NEVER DONE THAT. THEY'VE NEVER FUNDED IT TO A LEVEL TO DO THAT. AND IT'S SHRINKING EVERY YEAR FOR PURPOSES, BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF EXEMPTIONS HAVE GROWN, THE AMOUNT OF CITIES THAT ARE IN THE PROGRAM HAS GROWN. SO IT IS AN UNFUNDED MANDATE THAT THAT IS THE ALBATROSS FOR US. IT'S THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM FOR A CITY LIKE OURS. [02:30:01] AND WE POURED ALMOST ALL OF OUR LEGISLATIVE EFFORTS OUTSIDE OF MAYOR PRO, TIM HAYWARD, WHO WAS UP THERE PROBABLY 40 HOURS A WEEK WORKING ON A PLETHORA OF ISSUES. BUT AS A STAFF, WE POURED A LOT OF OUR EFFORT AND TIME INTO GETTING THE HELP THAT THE STATE PROMISED AND DID NOT DELIVER ON AND IS NOT DELIVERING ON, IN MY OPINION. AND, AND SO IT IS A BATTLE, IT IS AN ONGOING AND CONSISTENT BATTLE THAT WE NEED TO STAY COMMITTED TO FIGHTING. DEFINITELY CHALLENGING, LIKE YOU STATED. I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S IMPOSSIBLE. WE, WE DEFINITELY NEED TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT OR TRY HARDER, BUT WE NEED TO BATTLE THIS MM-HMM . FOR OUR RESIDENTS, FOR THE CITY OF SHIRTS. WE NEED TO DO THAT. AND WE, WE ARE COMMITTED TO DOING THAT. AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO IT. IT, AND LIKE I SAID, WE'VE HAD SOME VICTORIES AND, BUT THERE ARE ISSUES WHERE WE'RE STILL LOSING THE BATTLE. I UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T WANNA STEP TOO FAR OUT ON THE LIMB HERE. THE, THE OPPOSITION THAT WE FACE IN TERMS OF LIKE THE, NOT NECESSARILY DISABLED VETERANS HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, BUT THINGS THAT ARE RELATED TO LAND DEVELOPMENT. WE ARE UP AGAINST A MOUNTAIN OF MONEY. MM-HMM . FROM THE DEVELOPERS AND THOSE WHO HAVE AN INTEREST IN MAKING THE MAXIMUM LOT SIZE THAT WE CAN HAVE IN THE CITY OF SHIRTS, 4,000 SQUARE FEET. AND EVEN BEFORE THAT, A PIECE OF LEGISLATION, I THINK IT WAS 1800 SQUARE FEET, RIGHT? IT WOULD BE THE, THE, THE MOST SQUARE FOOTAGE WE COULD REQUIRE IN THE CITY OF SEARCH. NOW IF A DEVELOPER DECIDED TO BUILD SOMETHING BIGGER, THEY COULD, BUT IT'S NOT UP TO THE LOCALITY TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THESE ARE ALL 9,600 SQUARE FOOT LOTS, BUT YOU KNOW, RIGHT NEXT TO US, YOU CAN BUILD A BUNCH OF 1800 SQUARE FOOT LOTS WITH HOMES THAT BARELY FIT ON THAT 1800 SQUARE FOOT. SO WE ARE, WE ARE FIGHTING AS THE CITY OF SHIRTS WITH OUR BUDGET TO DO EVERYTHING WE NEED TO DO AGAINST MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FROM DEVELOPERS AND, AND OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN THE STATE LEGISLATURE. STEVE, MAY I SAY SOMETHING? YES, MA'AM. SO IF YOU'RE GETTING AN EMAIL CALLED TML EXCHANGE, OPEN IT UP. IT COMES OUT ON FRIDAYS. IT IS TELLING YOU ALL THE BILLS THAT ARE OUT THERE. IT SUMMARIZES, IT TELLS YOU WHO YOU CAN CONTACT. THAT IS THE BEST WAY TO DO IT BY FAR, IS READING THOSE. I CAN TELL YOU THAT AT THE STATE LEVEL, THEY REALLY WANT TO HEAR FROM ELECTED OFFICIALS, NOT SO MUCH AS STAFF, BUT THEY DON'T MIND IF STAFF IS THERE TO, UM, KIND OF HELP. AND I WILL TYPICALLY TELL YOU THAT IN THE SENATE, WHATEVER TYPICALLY IS PRESENTED TO THEM IN A BILL, THEY WILL PASS IT THE WAY IT IS. THEY TYPICALLY DON'T ADD AMENDMENTS. EVEN IF YOU GO TESTIFY IN THE SENATE, SOMETIMES THEY WILL TRY TO EVISCERATE YOU. SO A LOT OF TIMES WE HAVE TO DO THINGS, UM, WITH WRITING LETTERS AND CALLING PEOPLE. AND SO WE HAVE GROUPS OF PEOPLE THAT WE TELL THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE IN CONNECTION WITH YOUR STATE REP, YOUR STATE SENATOR, MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THEIR PHONE NUMBERS OR TALKING TO THEIR CHIEF OF STAFFS TO LET THEM KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AND TO TELL YOUR STORY, NOT NECESSARILY BASED ON EMOTION. YOU HAVE TO GIVE THEM DATA AND FACTS BECAUSE EMOTION DOESN'T NECESSARILY WORK FOR THEM. SO I WOULD SAY DO THAT. WE HAD, TML IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT WE, IT IS NONSTOP AND WE ARE ALWAYS ON TOP OF EVERYTHING AND FOCUSING ON IT. AND THAT YOUR PART IS TO JUST SEND AN EMAIL, MAKE A PHONE CALL TO SENATOR CAMPBELL, REPRESENTATIVE SCHOOLCRAFT, REPRESENTATIVE ISAAC, REPRESENTATIVE LUJAN. AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT WITH THE DH, THE DISABLED VETERAN, UH, REPRESENTATIVE LUJAN WAS TRYING TO CARRY THAT LOAD, BUT IT DID NOT MAKE IT OUT OF HIS COMMITTEE BECAUSE NOBODY HAS THE APPETITE. THEY JUST WANNA BE ABLE TO SAY, HEY, WE, WE GAVE DISABLED VETERANS THIS. BUT THEY'RE NOT LOOKING AT WHY THEY NEED TO FUND IT BECAUSE THEY, A LOT OF THEM UP THERE DON'T KNOW HOW CITIES OPERATE, TO BE HONEST. AND THEY THINK THAT CITIES ARE BAD AND WE ARE BAD PEOPLE. AND AS LOCAL ELECTEDS, WE'RE THE ONES THAT ARE RIPPING THE RESIDENTS A NEW ONE IN THEIR MINDS. SO WE HAVE A TOUGH BATTLE TO FIGHT. YES. AND ANOTHER PERS ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE. WHEN I WAS UP THERE, WE WERE AT, UH, IN SENATOR CAMPBELL'S OFFICE, AND, UH, SOMEBODY ASKED HER ABOUT, UH, WHAT'S, WHAT THE STATE IS DOING ABOUT TAXES. SHE GOES, IT'S REALLY TOUGH FOR US LEGISLATORS TO REALLY AFFECT TAXES. YOU NEED TO GET WITH YOUR CITIES AND YOUR COUNTIES TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. [02:35:02] ALL RIGHT. SO I, I'VE HEARD TWO DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY SPEND THE $412,000 WITH A ONE TIME FOR THE TWO SAFETY RELATED, THE SIDEWALKS AND THE SAFETY, TRAFFIC SAFETY RELATED ITEMS, OR I HAVE ALSO HEARD POTENTIALLY ADDING THE COLA AND THOSE TWO SAFETY ITEMS IN ON AN ONGOING BASIS. IS THAT, IS THAT A CORRECT. OKAY. IS THAT CORRECT? IS THERE SOME DIRECTION FOR THE STAFF? YES, SIR. I, I WON'T BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT MYSELF, BUT, UM, I CAN SEE DOING THE SAFETY PROJECTS, BUT I WOULDN'T BE, UM, IN LINE WITH HAVING AN AUTOMATIC GOAL EVERY YEAR AND KEEP THAT AS AN ONGOING COST. OKAY. AND YOU JUST, JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU'RE SAYING THE SAFETY ITEMS ON A ONE TIME BASIS AND THEN ASK AGAIN NEXT YEAR? YES. YEAH. OKAY. I THINK THE C LIST SHOULD BE EVALUATED EACH YEAR AND CONSIDER IT AT THAT TIME. YES, SIR. COUNCIL, I'M, I'M, I'M ALL FOR COAL. IT'S OUR NUMBER ONE, UH, BELOW THE CUT LINE. AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THE DISCUSSION THAT WE JUST HAD ABOUT, UH, UH, WHERE WE GOT BEHIND IN THE PAST AND WHAT IT TOOK TO GET CATCH UP AGAIN, IS A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN KEEPING UP ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. I APOLOGIZE. THE AIR CONDITIONER KICKED ON WHEN YOU SAID THAT. COULD YOU, COULD, I'M, COULD YOU SAY IT AGAIN? MAYBE A LITTLE CLOSER? OKAY. I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT. I SAID I AM GOING TO, UH, UM, SUPPORT THE COLA BEING INCLUDED IN THERE BECAUSE JUST THE, THE LONG CONVERSATION WE JUST HAD ABOUT GETTING BEHIND IN THE PAST AND HOW MUCH MORE IT COSTS US TO CATCH UP THAN IT DOES TO KEEP UP ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. OKAY. I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE COLA AND, AND THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO CATCH UP AS FAR AS THE REPAIRS. SO I'M ALL FOR THAT. AND I WILL SUPPORT THAT BECAUSE WE TOOK A LOT TO GET WHERE WE WERE AND WE HAD TO PUT THE $2 MILLION IN TO CATCH EVERYBODY UP TO MARKET RATE. AND IF WE KEEP SAYING NO TO COLA, WE KEEP SLIDING BACK AND THEN WE LOSE PEOPLE. IT IS JUST THE RIGHT THING TO DO THAT WESTBROOK? OR ARE YOU I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE SIDEWALK REPAIR AND THE INSTALLATION. UM, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE 1% KOHLER TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. UM, I KNOW WE, THIS IS, WE'RE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, I GUESS THE CUT LIST SITTING FROM THE, WHEN I WAS ON THE OUTSIDE, WE ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT IT. THIS IS HOW THE GOVERNMENT BUDGET ALWAYS GETS BIGGER. NOBODY'S EVER ABLE TO SAY NO TO SOMETHING. AND SO NOW WE'RE LIKE, WE'RE GONNA ADD STUFF ON, WE'RE GONNA RAISE RATES, WE'RE GONNA ADD STUFF ON NEXT YEAR, RAISE RATES. WE'RE GONNA ADD STUFF ON AT SOME POINT IN TIME. IT'S INCUMBENT UPON THE COUNCIL TO JUST SAY NO TO SOMETHING. WHAT AM I COMFORTABLE SEEING? NO, TO SIDEWALK REPAIRS AND STUDENT SAFETY AND OUR 1% KOHLER FOR EMPLOYEES. YOU GOTTA SAY NO TO SOMETHING SOMEWHERE DOWN THE LINE. I'M JUST COMFORTABLE SAYING NO TO THE COLA, BUT I'M NOT OPPOSED TO IT. I WON'T VOTE AGAINST IT. I'M JUST NOT, I'M NOT GONNA BE A CHAMPION FOR IT. WELL, TO, TO BE CLEAR, WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS TO MAINTAIN IT WOULD BE THE COUNCIL'S DECISION TO ADD THAT BACK IN. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. STEVE, WHAT I, I THINK WE SHOULD DO, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS SLIDE PRESENTATION IS GREAT AND IF, UH, ON THE F WE CAN PUT THE RATE ON THERE AND PUT THE 50.64 ON THERE, THEN YOU ADD THE 1% AND PUT THAT RATE IN THERE, WHAT IT WOULD BE, UH, FOR VISUAL PURPOSES FOR THE COUNCIL, WHEN THEY SET THE, THE PRELIMINARY RATE, I THINK THAT WOULD BE, UH, VERY HELPFUL, UH, TO HELP 'EM MAKE THAT DECISION. AND THEN ON THE SIDE, THEY'LL PUT DOWN THE PROJECTS THAT ARE NOT REOCCURRING EXPENSES. I, I JUST SEE THAT THE TRAFFIC SAFETY PROJECTS, I SEE A REOCCURRING EXPENSE THAT, UH, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH. I SEE. I CAN SEE THE SIDEWALKS BEING REPAIRED WHERE YOU HAD A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS OR 75,000 AND WE TAKE CARE OF SOME, SOME MORE OF OUR SIDEWALKS. BUT AGAIN, IT'S, UH, AT ONE POINT WE HAVE TO SAY THE BURDEN OF THE TAXPAYER TRYING TO MAKE UP THIS DIFFERENCE BECAUSE ON THE AVERAGE, THE HOUSES, THE, THE PRICE BASICALLY STAYED THE SAME, ACTUALLY WENT DOWN NOT FOR EVERYONE DOWN A LITTLE BIT. YES. OR WENT DOWN. YEAH. BUT NOT FOR EVERYONE. THAT'S THE WHOLE THING. ON [02:40:01] THE AVERAGE IT DID. UH, AND, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, YOU KNOW, UM, PEOPLE ARE TURNING 65, YOU HAD MILITARY, UH, THAT GROUP QUITE A BIT ALSO. UH, SO, SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT. AND I THINK PUTTING THAT INFORMATION ON THERE, ON YOUR SLIDE PRESENTATION, IT WILL HELP THE COUNCIL MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION. YOU'RE SAYING FOR THE FUTURE OR? NO, JUST FOR THE SLIDE PRESENTATION. UM, BECAUSE THERE, THERE'S A LOT THEY NEED TO THINK ABOUT FOR MEETING. YEAH. AND, AND WE'RE JUST SHOWING IT TO YOU YEAH. IN THIS FORMAT SO Y'ALL CAN SEE EVERYTHING. 'CAUSE I'VE, I'VE RECEIVED COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT THEY DON'T GET TO SEE EVERYTHING. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EVERYTHING AND, AND, AND YES, WE COULD, WE COULD PROBABLY PUT SOME TOOL OUT TO THE SIDE LIKE, LIKE I'VE DONE HERE. YES. AND THAT'S A LITTLE EASIER TO FOLLOW. AND SO AS WE PUNCH THINGS IN, WE COULD DO, DO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YEAH. 'CAUSE UH, I, I THINK, UH, AFTER TODAY THE COUNCIL'S GONNA GO BACK, LOOK AT SOME OF THESE SHEETS AND, AND PROBABLY COME OUT WITH A DIFFERENT OUTCOME THAN WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING RIGHT NOW. BUT, UH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ON TUESDAY THAT WE SET THE PRELIMINARY RATE. AND THAT IS A BIG TASK THAT COUNSEL, YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THESE VERY CAREFULLY, UH, TO DETERMINE EXACTLY WHAT DIRECTION WE'RE GONNA GO IN. AND THERE IS A LOT OF OBSTACLES, A LOT OF CHALLENGES. BUT ON THE BRIGHT SIDE, WE DO HAVE ECONOMIC GROWTH THAT IS COMING. WE'RE NOT GONNA SEE IT THIS YEAR. WE PROBABLY WON'T SEE IT TILL NEXT. WELL IN 2027 BECAUSE OF ALL THE, THE STOREFRONTS THAT WILL OPEN UP THERE IS A BRIGHT SIDE COMING UP. AND HOPEFULLY IT WILL HELP US OR MAINTAIN WHAT WE HAVE BECAUSE THE EXEMPTIONS CONTINUE TO GROW. UH, SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER FOR THE FUTURE. UH, BUT RIGHT NOW THE PRESENT IS THIS BUDGET. WHAT IS THE TAX RATE THAT YOU ARE WILLING, UH, TO PASS FOR THIS CITY? WITH THAT, I'LL PASS IT ON. OOPS. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER GUERRERO, I THINK YOU WERE NEXT. YES. UH, I'M DEFINITELY IN SUPPORT FOR THE STREETS STREET, UH, SIDEWALK REPAIRS. UH, HOWEVER I DO AGREE WITH, WITH OUR MAYOR, UM, IF YOU CAN PUT A SLIDE PRESENTATION JUST SO WE CAN SEE, VISUALLY, SEE WHAT WE'RE UP AGAINST, AND, UH, MAKE A DECISION, MAKE A BETTER DECISION, SEEING EVERYTHING VISUALLY, SEEING WHAT WE'RE UP AGAINST. YES. UM, FOR A PRESENTATION. SO I, I'M SORRY, I'M, I'M A LITTLE UNCLEAR WHAT OBJECT, SIR, IT WILL BE BASED ON. SO THE TAX RATE, THE ITEMS THAT Y'ALL JUST DISCUSSED TO MOVE UP, THE TAX RATE WOULD BE RIGHT HERE, 51 88. THAT WOULD GENERATE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY NEEDED TO ADD IN THE STREET SAFETY PROJECTS, THE SIDEWALK PROJECTS AND THE COLA. THOSE ARE THE THREE THINGS THAT WERE DISCUSSED. SO IT'S 51 88 IS EXACTLY WHAT IT WOULD BE. IS, IS THERE MORE INFORMATION NEEDED THAN THAT? OKAY. I WOULD ADD, I WOULD ADD AFTER EACH ONE, LIKE ITEM 35, YOU PUT THE RATE THERE AND THEN IF YOU ADD THE STREETS, YOU PUT THE RATE THERE AND AF UH, ON THE TRAFFIC SAFETY, YOU PUT THE RATE, WE'RE TAKING EACH ONE INCREASING RESERVE. NOT TO BE ARGUMENTATIVE, MAYOR, BUT, BUT IF YOU DID THAT, YOU WOULD HAVE TO STAY IN THAT EXACT ORDER. YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PICK ONE FROM DOWN HERE. 'CAUSE IT'S A RECALCULATION. IF I PICK ONE FROM HERE, HERE AND HERE, I GOTTA RECALCULATE IT. SO IT'S NOT GONNA EXACT. IF YOU KEEP IT IN EXACTLY THAT ORDER AND GO IN EXACTLY THAT ORDER, IT WOULD APPLY. BUT OTHERWISE, IF I SAY I'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT 30 THINGS, IF I GO DOWN TO 24 17 AND NUMBER SEVEN, I GOTTA RECALCULATE IT, RIGHT? NO, BUT I THINK THE MAIN, THE MAIN ONES ARE THE FIRST FOUR. THEY'RE THE FIRST. WELL, OKAY, THREE OF THE TOP FOUR THERE ARE WHAT THE COUNCIL'S LOOKING FOR. AND I DO UNDERSTAND SOME OF THESE ARE NON-REOCCURRING, BUT ONE OF THEM IS, UH, IF WE CAN TAKE THE NON-REOCCURRING, LIKE THE STREETS TAKE IT OUT OF THERE AND THAT'S COMING OUT OF THE FOUR, 400 PLUS THAT WE HAVE EXTRA. RIGHT. AND WE COULD CONSIDER IT THAT WAY AS WELL. YEAH. WE COULD SAY ONLY DO IT ONCE FOR THE, FOR THE SIDEWALKS AND STREET RELATED ITEMS. AND THEN THE OTHER IS ONGOING OR, UM, BUT WHAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED WAS TO MAKE IT ALL ONGOING. YEAH. OKAY. SO I, I MEAN, IF THERE'S A DIFFERENT PROPOSAL, PLEASE, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL PROVIDE WHATEVER INFORMATION WE NEED TO. BUT I THOUGHT YOU SAID THESE WERE JUST A ONE TIME THING. SO THE REQUEST FOR THE STREET STREET, THE SIDEWALK REPAIRS AND INSTALLATION AND THE TRAFFIC SAFETY PROJECTS, THEY'RE REQUESTING A HUNDRED THOUSAND FOR NEXT YEAR. AND THEN ONGOING FROM THEN ON AS WELL AS [02:45:01] FOR THE ENGINEER, THE TRAFFIC SAFETY PROJECTS, THEY'RE ASKING FOR FIFTEEN THOUSAND THREE HUNDRED AND FIFTEEN THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS ONGOING. OKAY. BUT WE HAVE THIS $412,000 OVER HERE THAT I, I RECOMMENDED THAT WE COULD TAKE THAT FOUR 12 AND WE COULD DO IT ONCE, BUT THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO CONSIDER A SUPPLEMENTAL REQUEST THE NEXT YEAR FOR THE ONGOING PART. SO IT WOULD NOT BE ONGOING. BUT THE REQUEST MADE BY STAFF IS THAT IT IS ONGOING. AND THEN THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION THAT I HEARD FROM MULTIPLE COUNCIL MEMBERS. NOW, THE SALARY STUFF THAT'S ONGOING, IT'S JUST ONGOING. THERE'S NO OTHER REALLY OPTION FOR THAT. YES, MA'AM. I AGREE WITH JUST THE ONE TIME OKAY. FOR THE SAFETY AND, UM, I DON'T AGREE WITH THE COLA. OKAY. SO IF WE GET ALL THE, THE EVERYTHING THAT ALL THE, I WANT TO KNOW RIGHT NOW, HOLD ON, UM, PROJECTS AND THEN WE GO FOR NEXT YEAR AND SEE WHERE WE ARE AT, THEN WE CAN AGREE ON MAYBE AN INCREASE IN, IN THE TAXES. THAT'S WHERE I'M AT RIGHT NOW. OKAY. SO I THINK I, I JUST HEARD YOU'RE JUST GOING TO GO FOR THE ONE TIME ONLY AND NOTHING ON THE UH, COLA. YES, THAT'S, I BELIEVE. YES MA'AM. OR YES, SIR. I THINK THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID. OKAY. SO YOU WOULD, SO IN YOU EFFECT YOU WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE. OKAY. I JU I JUST WANNA SAY WE'RE UP FOR A GOOD DISCUSSION ON TUESDAY. UH, AGAIN, UH, LIKE MR. WALTER SAID WE NEED A FIVE TWO VOTE AND THERE WAS A TIME WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THIS BUDGET THING EIGHT DIFFERENT TIMES BEFORE WE FINALLY AGREED AND HAVE FIVE VOTES. UH, SO PLEASE, UH, TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS OVER THE WEEKEND, UH, TO MAKE YOUR POINT ACROSS SO THAT WE CAN, UH, COME TO A CONSENSUS AS TO WHICH DIRECTION WE'RE GOING. AND, AND MAYOR, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT AND WHAT THE MAYOR'S ALLUDING TO IS WE WILL HAVE MULTIPLE OPPORTUNITIES TO TALK ABOUT THIS. IT'S NOT JUST TODAY. YES. I I WAS JUST GONNA MAKE ONE CLARIFICATION POINT. SO ON TUESDAY IT'S JUST SETTING THE MAXIMUM TAX RATE. SO THAT DOES NOT NEED A, A SUPER MAJORITY VOTE, IT JUST NEEDS A MAJORITY VOTE. AND THEN WHEN WE COME BACK ON THE 19TH TO ADOPT THE BUDGET, THAT'S WHEN IT WOULD NEED THE SUPER MAJORITY VOTE. SO TUESDAY REALLY IS JUST SAYING, YES, WE WANNA SET IT AT THIS LEVEL. WE KNOW WE CAN GO BELOW IT, BUT WE CAN'T GO ABOVE IT. SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT THE VOTE OR THAT'S WHAT THE DISCUSSION FOR TUESDAY WILL BE. YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. YES, SIR. I, I'M NOT SURE IF WE HAVE THIS ONE IN THE, IN THE PILE OF OPTIONS, BUT, UH, THE, UH, UH, STREETS AND ENGINEERING ONE TIME OUT OF THE, UH, UH, RESERVE AND THEN THE, UH, 1% COLA ON THE ONGOING, WHAT THE TAX RATE DIFFERENCE WOULD BE THERE. SO EFFECTIVELY WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS WHAT COUNCILMAN WEST NO, WHAT COUNCILWOMAN WATSON SAID, WHICH WAS ONE TIME, ONE TIME ON THE SIDEWALKS AND STREETS. AND THEN, BUT YOU SAID NO ON THE COLA. NO ON THE COLA. AND I WOULD, SO THE ONLY DIFFERENCE, AND I'D JUST LIKE TO SEE WHAT WHAT THE DIFFERENCE WOULD BE TO ADD THE COLA IN JUST THE COLA ITSELF. JAMES, CAN YOU CALCULATE THAT? I I I MEAN IT'S ESSENTIALLY GONNA BE TH UM, THREE QUARTERS OF A PENNY. 'CAUSE IT'S WHAT, 5 75? YEAH, I I I SHOULD, BUT I'LL, BUT WE'LL GET YOU THE EXACT NUMBER. YES. YEAH. IT'D BE ABOUT, UH, 51, 15, 51. YES. 20, SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE. YEAH. SOMEWHERE IN THAT RANGE. AND IF THERE'S NOT A CONSENSUS TO TODAY ON THE GENERAL FUND, THEN WE CAN PROCEED AS PROPOSED AS IT'S PRESENTED. AND THEN YOU GUYS TELL US AT THE NEXT GO ROUND IF THAT'S, UH, ACCEPTABLE TO Y'ALL. 51 18 FOR THE COLA ONLY. VERY CLOSE, MAYOR 51, 18. YOU WERE TWO WITHIN RANGE. TWO ONE HUNDREDS OF A PENNY OFF. GOOD JOB MAYOR . I I THINK IF YOU HAVE THE SAME THING WITH THE, UH, UH, WITH THE, WITH THE NON OCCURRING, IF YOU HAVE A LISTING OF WHAT'S AVAILABLE AND THE PRIORITIES, BECAUSE [02:50:01] ALL THIS IS JUST A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT, WELL THIS MAYOR, THIS, THIS IS THE LISTING OF WHAT'S OUT THERE. I KNOW. AND IT IS PRIORITIZED ACCORDING TO WHAT MY RECOMMENDED PRIORITY IS. SO I I MEAN, IF YOU, IF, IF Y'ALL SEE SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ON THERE THAT YOU WANT, OR IF, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY YOUR PRIORITIES COULD, COULD BE DIFFERENT FROM MINE. THAT'S COMPLETELY OKAY. UM, BUT, BUT THIS, THIS IS WHAT'S OUT THERE AND THIS IS MY PRIORITY, JUST TO BE CLEAR. OKAY. AND IT DOES SPECIFY WHETHER IT'S ONE TIME OR ONGOING OUT TO THE RIGHT HERE. AND, AND MAYOR, I MEAN, SOME OF THEM ON LIKE, LIKE TAKE FOR EXAMPLE, UH, A TRUCK RIGHT HERE FOR ELECTRIC, YOU KNOW, IT'S 85 GRAND, THE, THE ONGOING SEVEN 50, RIGHT? I MEAN, SO IS THAT REALLY ONGOING? I MEAN, NO, NOT REALLY. IT'S, IT'S SOME FUEL. SO, SO BEAR THAT IN MIND WHEN YOU'RE CONSIDERING, OKAY. YEAH. YEAH. I MEAN IF WE GET TRAFFIC MESSAGE BOARDS, IT'S $2,500 MAINTENANCE CONTRACT TO GO WITH A $45,000 MESSAGE BOARD. THAT'S ONE TIME. SO MR. WILLIAMS? YES SIR. I'M WILLING TO GO WITH THE, UH, ONGOING ON THE COLA AND THE STREETS AND ONE TIME ON THE SAFETY. OKAY, I'M GONNA SAY THAT AGAIN. 'CAUSE THIS IN, IN A PROJECT THAT WE DO HAVE IS TO REDO THESE AIR CONDITIONERS, RIGHT? WITH OUR BUILDING EFFICIENCY MONEY. SAVE MONEY. TALK LOUD OR CAN WE JUST SAVE MONEY AND TALK LOUD? NO, THE, I I APOLOGIZE SIR. YEAH, NO, I'M KIDDING. ABOUT THE AIR CONDITIONER 'CAUSE IT'S SO LOUD. YEAH, I SAID ONGOING WOULD BE THE COLON AND THE STREETS AND ONE TIME ON THE SAFETY. THAT'D BE ME. THAT WOULD BE YOUR PREFERENCE? YES. YES SIR. OKAY. SO, SO TO CLARIFY, THE STREET ENHANCEMENTS ONE TIME, THE SIDEWALKS ONE TIME AND THE COLA ONGOING, SO YES. SAME AS THE SIDEWALKS. YES. ONGOING WITH COLA AND THE STREET SAFETY ONE TIME. YES. AND THEN COLA, SO SAME AS COUNCILMAN BROWN, RIGHT? ONE TIME. ONE TIME. NO, YOU JUST SAID EVERYTHING ONGOING. OKAY. ALRIGHT. OKAY. YOU WANT A BREAK FOR LUNCH? MAYOR, IS LUNCH READY? UH, WE ARE READY. YES, WE'RE READY. OKAY, LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE A, LET'S SAY 20 MINUTE BREAK AND THEN IF YOU'RE NOT FINISHED, YOU CAN, UH, FINISH UP HERE. COME BACK AT NOON. YEAH. YES, SIR. OKAY, WILL DO. WE'LL BREAK FOR 20 MINUTES. OKAY. RYAN JACKSON. ALRIGHT, UH, THE TIME IS NOW, UH, 1217. WE RETURN FROM OUR RECESS. UH, MR. WILLIAMS, LET'S GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE. THANK YOU MAYOR. SO TO ROUND OUT THIS DISCUSSION, WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING FROM THE COUNCIL IS THAT WE'VE GOT A FEW DIFFERENT PROPOSALS ON THE TABLE AND I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT NEXT TUESDAY WHEN WE'RE DISCUSSING SETTING THE MAXIMUM TAX RATE, THAT WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS. WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS BRING THIS BACK AS IT'S PROPOSED CURRENTLY WITH THE NO NEW REVENUE TAX RATE, AND THEN LAY OUT ON SLIDES THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT FORWARD BY THE VARIOUS COUNCIL MEMBERS. AND THEN WE COULD MAYBE COME TO A CONSENSUS AT THAT POINT WITH A FULL COUNCIL PRESENT AND DIS YOU GUYS CAN MAYBE SEE THOSE OPTIONS LAID OUT A LITTLE BETTER. IS THAT, IF THAT'S ACCEPTABLE TO COUNSEL, MAYBE WE CAN MOVE ON TO YES, I THINK THAT'S THE DIRECTION THIS COUNSEL WANTS TO GO FORWARD ON. ALL RIGHT. YES SIR, WE WILL DO THAT. OKAY, SO CLOSE THIS. OKAY, SO THEN I WILL MOVE TO THE DEBT SERVICE FUND AND JAMES WAS GONNA DO THIS, BUT I THINK I'LL JUST DO IT JUST TO KEEP THINGS ROLLING. THE SUMMARY OF THE INS FUND OR INTEREST IN SINKING FUND, WE DID GO UP SLIGHTLY ON THE RATE, SO WHEN YOUR VALUES GO DOWN, RATE GOES UP. SO WE HAVE TO PUT THE APPROPRIATE RATE INTO PLACE TO PAY FOR OUR DEBTS THAT WE INCUR. SO THAT RESULTED IN A SLIGHT INCREASE IN THE, IN THE DEBT RATE ACCORDING TO OUR CIP BASED ON THAT NUMBER, THAT 1681. THIS IS WHAT WE ANTICIPATE WITH GROWTH, ET CETERA, THAT WE COULD ISSUE IN THE FUTURE. SO WHEN WE GET TO THE CIP THESE, THESE ITEMS WILL CORRESPOND WITH THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT CIP AS FAR AS THE CONTRIBUTION FROM DEBT. SO YOU CAN JUST SEE THOSE LAID OUT OVER THE NEXT FOUR YEARS. AND THEN THE GENERAL DEBT SERVICE FUND OVER THE YEARS, THESE ARE THE ACTUAL EXPENDITURES FOR THE BOND PAYMENTS. AND SO THIS IS THE DEBT SERVICE AMOUNT WE DID. UM, YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEE HOW IT PROJECTS OUT IN THE FUTURE, RIGHT? IT DIPS DOWN A LITTLE BIT 'CAUSE WE'RE RETIRING AND THEN WE'RE ADDING, ADDING, ADDING, ADDING. BUT THAT SHOULD ALL BE ABLE TO BE MAINTAINED WITHIN THAT. ASSUMING WE DON'T HAVE FURTHER DECLINES IN THE TAX BASE, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN ROUGHLY THAT [02:55:01] 16 CENT TAX RATE. MOVING ON. ANY QUESTIONS IF NOT, MOVING ON TO THE WATER AND SEWER FUND. SO IN THE WATER AND SEWER FUND, WE ALSO HAD SUPPLEMENTAL REQUESTS. FOR US, THIS, THIS CONVERSATION WAS A LITTLE BIT EASIER BECAUSE WE HAD $944,000 WORTH OF REQUEST. AND YOU CAN SEE THOSE THERE. THE UTILITY RATE INCREASES. WHAT THAT MEANS IS THE, WHAT WE PAY FOR UTILITIES, NOT OUR RATES, THIS IS THE, WHAT WE PAY FOR UTILITIES. WE INCLUDED THE MERIT AS WELL, LIKE IN THE OTHER FUNDS, BUT NO COLA. AND THEN WE HAD SOME OP, SOME ONGOING OPERATING EXPENSE THAT, YOU KNOW, OFFICE TYPE THING, A FEW THOUSAND DOLLARS AND THERE'S A TRAINING INCREASE, A LEAK DETECTOR AND A WASTEWATER WORKER. ONE THAT, SO IN THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, PARTICULARLY IN ON THE WATER AND SEWER SIDE, BUT ALSO ON THE STREET SIDE, WHICH IS THE GENERAL FUND, THEY IS THE AREA THAT WE REALLY HAVEN'T ADDRESSED STAFFING, UM, AT THE, ACCORDING TO THE STAFFING STUDY AND WE'RE TRYING TO BOLSTER THAT AREA, THERE'S ALSO SOME OTHER EQUIPMENT, A MINI EXCAVATOR, UH, WITH A HYDRO HAMMER AND THEN A LIGHT CREW TRUCK. AND THEN CONTINUING THAT LIST, THERE'S AN AERIAL BUCKET TRUCK, THERE'S ZERO TURN MOWER AND THEN A DOVETAIL TRAILER, 10 YARD DUMP TRUCK AND A DOWN THERE AT THE BOTTOM YOU CAN SEE SOME CREWS THAT ARE BEING ADDED. AND THAT, LIKE, LIKE I THINK BRIAN HAD MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, AS WE ADD SUBDIVISIONS, WE ADD MORE SIDEWALKS. WELL, AS WE'VE ADDED SUBDIVISIONS, WE HAVE ADDED MORE LINES OF WATER, MORE LINES OF SEWER. WE HAVE MORE TO MAINTAIN THAT WE HAVE NOT ADDED THE STAFF TO KEEP UP WITH IT. SO YOU DO REACH A CRITICAL POINT WHERE YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN, THE APPROPRIATE RATIO OF STAFF TO ABOUT, TO WHAT YOU NEED TO MAINTAIN. WE DO ALSO HAVE, WHAT, TWO WATER WELLS AND SOME OTHER, SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WE, WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN. SO, AND THEN THE HYDRO, THERE'S SOME VALVE REPLACEMENT. UH, WE'D LIKE TO BOLSTER THAT PROGRAM. SO IF YOU WANTED TO SEE THE DETAILS THAT GO WITH THAT, YOU WOULD TURN TO PAGE THREE. NOPE. YOU WOULD TURN TO PAGE THREE. YES, PAGE THREE. AND THAT WOULD SHOW YOU THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS THAT CORRESPOND WITH EACH ONE OF THOSE. THERE, THERE IS NO CUT LINE OTHER THAN THE COLA, BECAUSE WHEN YOU TAKE THE COLA OUT OF ONE FUND, YOU GOTTA TAKE IT OUT OF ALL OF 'EM. GOD BLESS YOU. SO YOU GOTTA TAKE 'EM OUT OF ALL OF 'EM. SO YOU'RE GONNA SEE ON THE EMS FUND AND THE WATER SEWER FUND, THE COLA REMOVED. ALL RIGHT. I KNOW. UM, ANY QUESTIONS ON THE SUPPLEMENTALS AS I JUST DESCRIBED 'EM BEFORE WE MOVE ON? ALL RIGHT. SO SOME FEE UPDATES. THERE IS A SCHEDULE THAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE A RATE STUDY THAT'S COMPLETED BY WILL DAN. AND WE ARE IMPLEMENTING A 2% RATE INCREASE AND THIS IS, FOLLOWS WHAT IS INCLUDED IN OUR FIVE YEAR RATE MODEL. AND SO WE HAVE THESE PLANNED RATE INCREASES FOR, UH, OVER THE, THE SPAN OF THAT TIME. SO HOW, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IT'S THE AVERAGE OF A DOLLAR 20 ON THE WATER SIDE PER MONTH, AND THEN ON THE SEWER SIDE IT'S 3% AND IT'S THE EQUIVALENT OF A DOLLAR 26. SO THE LONG-TERM FORECAST FOR THE WATER AND SEWER FUND, YOU CAN SEE THAT HERE WE ARE IN 20, UH, 24 25. OUR WORKING CAPITAL AMOUNT THAT WE HAVE IS PRETTY HEALTHY AT 35.5%. THIS IS, IT'S AN ENTERPRISE FUND, SO IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT. SO THIS IS REALLY KIND OF A MEASURE OF, OF WHAT WE CAN ACCESS CURRENT ASSETS, MI MINUS CURRENT LIABILITIES, BUT IT'S, IT'S HEALTHY AT THIS POINT, VERY HEALTHY. AND THEN AT THE END OF NEXT YEAR, THAT WOULD COME DOWN TO 32 62. YOU CAN SEE THERE'S SOME, UH, IN THE ONGOING YEARS WHERE YOU SEE THE EXPENDITURES MORE, THERE'S ACTUALLY CASH CONTRIBUTION OVER TO THE CIP TO AVOID ISSUING DEBT. FOR SOME OF THESE PROJECTS, WE MOVE OUR CASH OVER INTO THE CIP, BUT WE, WE REMAIN VERY HEALTHY IN THE OUT YEARS. IT'S CLOSER TO THE 26% THAT WE TARGET. RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE WATER AND SEWER FUND? ALL RIGHT. SO NOW THE EMS FUND. NOW YOU DID HEAR A PRESENTATION FROM JASON, LIKE I SAID, ABOUT A MONTH AGO, A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN A MONTH AGO ABOUT THE STATUS OF THE FUND, RIGHT? DIDN'T WE DO THAT OR AM I IMAGINING THAT WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSION ON IT [03:00:01] IN HERE? UM, BUT MY PRESENTATION IS IN AUGUST AT COUNCIL. OH, OKAY. JASON WILL HAVE A PRESENTATION IN AUGUST FOR THE COUNCIL, BUT YEAH, AND IT, AND IT, IT SPEAKS TO WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT BEFORE, RIGHT? IT'S MOSTLY FUNDED WITH THE AMBULANCE FEES, THE RIDE FEES, AND THEN THERE'S A PORTION THAT IS SUPPLEMENTED BY 10 DIFFERENT ENTITIES. SO WE NEEDED TO CLOSE A GAP BETWEEN EXPENDITURES AND REVENUES. AND SO PART OF THAT EFFORT TO DO THAT IS GOING UP ON THE FEES THAT ARE CHARGED FOR RIDES BY A HUNDRED DOLLARS AND THAT WOULD EQUATE TO A MILLION DOLLARS IN ADDITIONAL REVENUE. SO THAT GOES INTO THE, TO THE 66% OF THE BUDGET THAT, THAT COMES FROM THE FEES AND THAT FEE IS CHARGED ACROSS THE ENTIRE SERVICE AREA. AND THEN ALSO THE UH, THE UPDATES ON THE INTERLOCAL CONTRACTS, THAT'S THE 45% THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. THE, ALMOST ALL OF THE CONTRACTS HAVE BEEN MODIFIED. THERE ARE A COUPLE OTHERS THAT HAVE INDICATED THEY'RE GOING TO APPROVE IT, THAT WE WILL, UH, THERE WILL BE AN INCREASE TO THE CONTRIBUTION BY EACH OF THE CITIES FROM THEIR GENERAL FUND BASED ON A PER CAP PER CAPITA BASIS. I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE, UH, IN THEIR LOCAL CONTRACTS, IS THERE ONE THAT IS HESITATING ANY PARTICULAR CITY THAT'S HESITATING ON THE CONTRACT? UH, NO ONE IS HESITATING. NO. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. THEIR SUPPLEMENTAL LIST. AND PART OF THE REASON WHY THE NEEDED INCREASE TO THE, TO THE CONTRACTS QUITE FRANKLY IS TO ADDRESS THE GROWTH THAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED AND, AND WE HAVE ADDED TO THE FUND, BUT WE, WE'VE ADDED TO THE FUND, BUT WE NEED TO ADD THESE OTHER ITEMS AS WELL TO, AND THIS IS SIMPLY TO MAINTAIN THE LEVEL OF SERVICE. SO YOU CAN SEE IT THERE. WE'VE GOT A BILLING SERVER. WE USED TO BE ABLE TO BE, HAVE A TIE, UH, UH, KIND OF LIKE A SHARED SERVICE. AND THIS IS IN ADDITION TO THAT. AND JASON, IS THAT CORRECT, UH, TO KIND OF REPLACE THAT? YEAH, OUR CURRENT VENDOR, UH, HAS LET US KNOW THAT THEY'RE NO LONGER GOING TO BE SUPPORTING THIS. UH, SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIND A THIRD PARTY TO HOST OUR BILLING SERVER. AND THEN THERE ARE UTILITY INCREASES LIKE THE OTHER FUNDS AND THEN THE MERIT AND STEP, UH, AND MERIT AND STEP LIKE IN THE OTHER FUNDS, SAME THING. AND THEN THERE WOULD BE THE ADDITION OF TWO FULL-TIME EMTS TO STAFF MEDIC EIGHT AND MAKE THAT 24 HOUR, IS THAT CORRECT? UH, THE MEDIC EIGHT AND THE MEDIC NINE ARE BOTH 12 HOUR PEAK HOUR TRUCKS. WHAT WOULD THIS BRING 'EM INTO? 24 OR NO, THIS, NO, NO. 12 HOUR PEAK HOUR DURING OUR BUSIEST TIMES. OKAY. AND THEN THE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT THAT, THAT'S THE COST THAT WE WOULD INCUR, RIGHT? YEAH, THAT IS FOR OUR STRETCHERS AND OUR MONITORS AND OUR LUCAS DEVICES, UH, TO MAINTAIN THEM WITH PMS, UH, BATTERY SERVICE AND IF ANYTHING BREAKS IT COVERS THAT AS WELL. AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS AN EMS CONSULTANT BECAUSE WE WOULD, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AN EXTERNAL CONSULTANT COME IN AND EVALUATE THE, THE DEPARTMENT, THE FUND, EVERYTHING AND SEE IF THERE'S SOME EFFICIENCIES THAT WE CAN GAIN. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN REQUESTED BY THE OTHER MEMBER CITIES AND WE THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA AS WELL. AND THAT IS IT. THERE IS NO CUT LINE OTHER THAN THE A CI ON THAT. SO IN THE FIVE YEAR FORECAST YOU CAN SEE IT'S ACTUALLY NEGATIVE. SO THIS, THIS REP REPRESENTS CASH BALANCE. OKAY. IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FROM THE OTHER ENTERPRISE. HOW WE SHOW, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT SHOW A WORKING CAPITAL POSITION. THIS IS MORE OF A CASH POSITION, BUT WE ARE NEGATIVE AND THAT'S WHAT'S NECESSITATED GOING BACK TO THE OTHER MEMBER, THE OTHER CITIES AND THE COUNTY, ET CETERA. AND, AND, AND ASKING FOR THIS INCREASE BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE CITY OF SHIRTZ IS FOOTING THE BILL FOR THOSE ENTITIES. SO BY THE END OF NEXT FISCAL YEAR, WE WILL STILL BE IN THAT NEGATIVE POSITION. UH, WE, WE'LL, WE'LL BE NEGATIVE BY 26, 27 BY 27, 28, WE'LL BE BACK INTO THE POSITIVE MOVING FORWARD. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE EMS FUND? OH, YOUR DRAINAGE. YEAH, I'M DRAINAGE HIS FINE. BRIAN IS TAKE IT OVER IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS. BRIAN IS VERY EAGER TO DISCUSS THE DRAINAGE FUND AND THAT IS NEXT. ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY, THANKS STEVE. BUT TAKE YOUR COKE, STEVE HERE MAY NEED. OKAY, I'LL TRY TO MOVE THROUGH THIS FAIRLY QUICKLY. UM, JUST AS A REMINDER, UH, BACK IN APRIL, LARRY AND KEVIN ANDERSON CAME UP AND DID [03:05:01] A PRESENTATION ON THE DRAINAGE DEPARTMENT AND ON THE DRAINAGE FUND. AND THIS IS SORT OF THE FOLLOW UP TO THAT. UM, AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS REALLY THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THERE IS WITH THE GROWTH OF THE CITY, THE INCREASE IN COST, IT SORT OF STRESSED OUR, OUR, UM, OUR FUNDING FOR THIS PROGRAM. AND, AND SO REALLY THE BIG THING IS DRAINAGE RATES, WHICH HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT TAX RATE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND SO WE, UM, CONTRACTED WITH WILL DAN, WHO WE USE FOR OTHER, UM, FEE STUDIES TO LOOK AT ALL THE THINGS WE NEED TO DO IN TERMS OF IMPROVEMENT WITH OUR DRAINAGE FUND AND PROPOSED A RATE STUDY. NOW WE HAVE GIVEN THEM COMMENTS BACK BECAUSE WHAT THEY PROPOSED ARE A SERIES OF FEE INCREASES THROUGH THE YEARS TO, TO FUND ALL THESE. UM, AND, AND STAFF SAID, YEAH, THAT'S GREAT. I'M NOT SURE WE'RE GONNA GO AS HIGH AS YOU GUYS HAVE PROPOSED AND WE NEED TO LOOK AT SOME ALTERNATIVES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND THEY'RE REWORKING THAT. AND AS A REMINDER, UNLIKE SOME OTHER CITIES WHO JUST FUND THE DRAINAGE OUT OF THEIR GENERAL FUND, RIGHT? WHICH YOU WOULD'VE TALKED ABOUT A FEW MINUTES AGO. WE TRY TO FUND IT THROUGH A FEE, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST A DIFFERENT WAY TO DO IT. AND THAT HAS CERTAIN BENEFITS AND CERTAIN DRAWBACKS TO IT. UM, AND, AND I WILL SAY THIS BECAUSE WHAT WE KIND OF TOUCHED ON WHEN, WHEN LARRY PRESENTED BEFORE, IT WAS ON THE HEELS OF I THINK SOME OF THE TRASH STUFF AND RESIDENT FEEDBACK AND THINGS LIKE THAT, RIGHT? AND, AND LARRY NOTED, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO PUBLISH THIS NOTICE THREE TIMES IN THE NEWSPAPER, RIGHT? SO IT'S A RATE OF WAY, A WAY TO RAISE AWARENESS. BUT NONE OF US EVER READ THE PUBLISHED NOTICES IN THE NEWSPAPER, RIGHT? WE HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AT CITY COUNCIL AS WELL. UM, I THINK THE OTHER THING IS, CERTAINLY WITH THE RECENT TRAGEDIES IN KERRVILLE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, FOLKS ARE MUCH MORE AWARE OF DRAINAGE AND FLOODING AND THE CHALLENGES THERE, UH, WITH IT. I THINK THE OTHER PART OF IT IS, AS OUR COMMUNITY HAS GROWN, A LOT OF FOLKS AREN'T AWARE OF THE FLOODING PROBLEMS WE HAVE, RIGHT? IF YOU'VE LIVED WITH TARA A LONG TIME, YOU'RE KEENLY AWARE OF SOME OF THE FLOODING PROBLEMS THAT WE, WE CAN HAVE. BUT KEEP IN MIND, MORE THAN HALF THE POPULATION DIDN'T LIVE HERE IN 98. WE'VE GROWN BY THAT AND FOLKS WHO DID LIVE HERE AT THE TIME AND MOVED AWAY AND NEW FOLKS HAVE MOVED IN AND, AND SO AGAIN, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S NECESSARILY A WHOLE LOT OF AWARENESS UP HERE OF THE, THE DRAINAGE PROBLEMS WE FACE AND CERTAINLY IN CERTAIN PARTS OF THE, THE CITY. AND, AND SO JUST AS A REMINDER ON THAT, IN TERMS OF VARIOUS FLOOD, WE TEND TO TALK ABOUT THE OLDER PART OF TOWN OVER HERE, THE MOST, RIGHT? WITH THE FLOODPLAIN MAP. AND A LOT OF YOU HAVE PROBABLY SEEN THIS PHOTO, BUT SOME FOLKS HERE HAVEN'T SEEN THAT PHOTO, RIGHT? THAT WAS MAIN STREET BACK IN 98. BUT WE'VE GOT OTHER AREAS THAT FLOOD, RIGHT? HERE'S 35, HERE'S SHIRTS, SHIRTS, PARKWAY, UH, BUT WE'VE GOT AREAS UP HERE ALONG 3 0 0 9. WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE AREAS ALONG 15, 18, AND THEN CERTAINLY DOWN SOUTH YOU CAN SEE RANDOLPH, YOU CAN SEE I 10, YOU CAN SEE LAURA HEIGHTS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT AND WHATNOT. UH, WE HAVE A LOT OF AREAS OF FLOODPLAIN. SURE. JAMES, GO AHEAD, INTERRUPT. YOU'RE WELCOME. I JUST, I WANT PEOPLE TO SEE EVERYTHING. I APPRECIATE IT. OKAY. FAIR ENOUGH. THANKS, JAMES. RIGHT. SO MO MOST PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY AREN'T AWARE WE HAVE THIS, RIGHT? WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO LIVE UP IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE COMMUNITY, NEVER EVEN BEEN DOWN HERE, NEVER EVEN SEEN THAT. WE HAVE FOLKS DOWN HERE WHO AREN'T AWARE OF WHAT COMMUNITIES, UH, UP IN OTHER PART FACE. SO ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WE HAVE IN TERMS OF, WELL, WELL, HOW DO WE GET PEOPLE'S INPUT AND KNOW HOW THEY FEEL IT, IT'S REALLY WHAT THEIR OWN SITUATION IS, RIGHT? IF YOU LIVE IN THE AREA OVER HERE, I CAN, I WOULD BET MOST OF THE FOLKS OVER HERE WOULD GO, YEAH, GO UP ON THE FEED THAT YOU NEED TO, TO MAKE SURE OUR HOUSES DON'T FLOOD AND OUR STREETS DON'T FLOOD. BUT IF YOU LIVE A WAYS UP HERE AND YOU DON'T EXPERIENCE THAT, IT, IT, IT'S HARDER, RIGHT? I DON'T GET WHAT THE PROBLEM IS. I DON'T GET WHAT THE ISSUE IS. I DON'T GET WHY WE NEED TO DO ALL THIS STUFF. AND, AND THEY MIGHT EVEN ARGUE, WELL, IT'S NOT REALLY MY PROBLEM. HAVE THE PEOPLE WHO BENEFIT PAY FROM IT. THE PROBLEM IS, IS EVERY TIME WE BUILD ANYTHING, INSURANCE, EVERY RESIDENCE, EVERY BUSINESS THAT INCLUDES PAVING, INCLUDES BUILDING THAT ADDS TO OUR FLOODING PROBLEM, RIGHT? BECAUSE THAT RAIN THAT USED TO COME IN AND PERCOLATE IN THE GROUND, IT DOESN'T NOW IT RUNS OFF. EVEN IF WE DETAIN IT, IT STILL IS RUNNING OFF. AND, AND YOU SEE THOSE ISSUES DOWN THE ROAD, RIGHT? WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT INFRASTRUCTURE TO ACCOMMODATE IT. SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF THE CHALLENGE THERE. I'LL POINT THIS OUT. YOU GUYS ALL REMEMBER HERE IN JUNE, WE HAD THAT REALLY INTENSIVE RAINSTORM, RIGHT? THAT CAME IN AND, AND YOU PROBABLY SAW THE PICTURE FLOATING AROUND ON SOCIAL MEDIA, RIGHT? OF I 35, AND THAT'S HERE ON THE RIGHT, UH, AT 3 0 1 9 SHOWING FLOODING. YOU CAN SEE THE TACO CABANA SIGN, YOU CAN SEE THE CARS. AND THEN YOU'RE PROBABLY SAYING TO YOURSELF, WELL, BRIAN, WHY'D YOU PUT IN TWO PICTURES OF THAT? WOULDN'T ONE PICTURE HAVE DONE ENOUGH? 'CAUSE THAT'S THE SAME AREA, RIGHT? YOU CAN SEE THE TACO CABANA SIGN UP HERE. I CAN SEE THE HOTEL HERE. BUT THE ISSUE IS, AND YOU MAY BE SAYING OVER HERE, WELL, IT'S 30 FIVES UNDER CONSTRUCTION WITH 35 [03:10:01] NEXT. THAT'S WHY IT HAPPENED, RIGHT? WELL, THIS PICTURE IS ANYBODY HAZARD TO GUESS WHEN THIS IS FROM, THIS IS FROM MAY NINE YEARS AGO WHEN WE HAD AN INTENSE RAINSTORM AND THAT SAME AREA FLOODED AND YOU CAN SEE THE CAR THERE. NOW, TO BE CLEAR, WE'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTENANCE OF I 35 AND THE FLOODING AND THE RUNOFF, RIGHT? BUT IT ILLUSTRATES THE POINT WE HAVE HAD THIS PROBLEM. AND SO A LOT OF FOLKS WHO JUMPED ALL OVER THAT, OH MY GOSH, LOOK AT THIS, FOLKS WHO'VE BEEN HERE A WHILE GO, YEAH, WHEN IT RAINS REALLY HARD, YOU DON'T WANNA BE UP THERE ON 35 AND 3 0 0 9 'CAUSE IT FLOODS. AND SO I SAY THAT TO SAY IT'S REALLY HARD IF YOU GO OUT AND SAY, WELL, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS FEE INCREASE? BECAUSE THERE IS SO MUCH BACKGROUND KNOWLEDGE THAT THEY LACK TO PROVIDE INFORMED PUBLIC INPUT, RIGHT? UM, SO AGAIN, A HISTORY OF THE FEE. WE STARTED THIS BACK IN OH 2, 0 3. WE WENT, WHAT IS THAT? ABOUT FIVE YEARS AT TWO 10 WENT UP TO THREE 80. AND AND WE DID THAT FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS. WE WENT UP AGAIN TO FIVE 20, JUST, JUST A YEAR AFTER THAT. BUT WE HAVE BEEN AT THAT RATE FOR OVER A DECADE, AND WE HAVE NOT INCREASED THE RATE. NOW WE'VE ADDED MORE DEVELOPMENT, SO WE GOT MORE PEOPLE PAYING IN, BUT THAT COVERS THE INCREASE IN DRAINAGE AREA WE HAVE TO COUNT FOR. IT DOESN'T COVER THAT INCREASE IN INFLATION AND COST, RIGHT? SO 10 YEARS AGO, WHEN YOU GO OUT TO WHATABURGER FOR LUNCH, HOW MUCH WERE YOU PAYING FOR THAT MEAL? FIVE BUCKS, FIVE 50, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT'S OVER 11 BUCKS NOW, OR ALMOST 11 BUCKS. I DUNNO WHAT MEAL YOU'RE GETTING, BUT THE ONE I GET, IT'S ALMOST 11 BUCKS, UH, FOR THAT, RIGHT? SO, SO IT'S ALMOST DOUBLE. SO WE'VE WAITED A WHILE TO GO UP ON THE FEE. WE'RE PROPOSING TO GO UP TO $8 THIS TIME, RIGHT? AND, AND SEE WHERE THAT GETS US. NOW, I WILL SAY THIS, THAT WHAT THAT GETS US, AND AGAIN, JUST TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT FEE FIVE 20 PER MONTH TO $8 PER MONTH IS BASED ON SORT OF A LAND USE EQUIVALENT. AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT A SINGLE FAMILY HOME COUNTS FOR, RIGHT? SO IF YOU GO UP ON THIS FEE FROM THE 5 28 BUCKS, IT'S $33 AND 60 CENTS PER SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE. AND YOU MAY BE SAYING, WELL, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT A HUGE AMOUNT, RIGHT? BUT, BUT WE HAVE ALL OF THESE COSTS, RIGHT? WE'RE KEENLY AWARE THAT FOLKS GET NICKEL AND DIME. AND WHEN YOU ADD THAT STUFF UP, IT STARTS ADDING UP, RIGHT? UH, KEEN, KEENLY AWARE OF THAT. SO WHAT IT GOES TO IS FROM 62 40 TO $96, THE FEE ALSO APPLIES TO COMMERCIAL. AND THE CALCULATION THERE IS AGAIN, KIND OF BASED ON THE OUE, BUT IT'S A FUNCTION OF HOW MUCH IMPERVIOUS COVER THEY HAVE, RIGHT? SO IF YOU HAVE A REALLY BIG PROPERTY, YOU'VE GOT A REALLY BIG PARKING LOT IN A REALLY BIG BUILDING, YOU'RE GONNA PAY A LOT MORE. SO, AS AN EXAMPLE, UM, THE FEE INCREASE IS ABOUT 54%. SO USING THAT METHODOLOGY RIGHT NOW, NOW WE HAVE THAT FAST FOOD PLACE THAT'S NOW CHARGING ALMOST 11 BUCKS FOR MY MEAL AT LUNCH, THEY'RE PAYING 25, 20 A MONTH. THEY WOULD GO UP TO 38 0 8 PER MONTH. WE'VE GOT, UH, ONE OF OUR INDUSTRIAL BUSINESSES THAT, THAT SCOTT WORKS WITH, 8.6 ACRE SITE. THEY'VE GOT 140,000 SQUARE FEET, THEY'RE PAYING 2 37 A MONTH. THEY GO UP TO 365 PER MONTH, RIGHT? SO IT'S NOT INSIGNIFICANT THEY'RE GONNA BE PAYING $4,500 A YEAR IN DRAINAGE FEES. IT, IT, IT'S A LOT, RIGHT? BUT THIS STUFF IS REALLY EXPENSIVE. AND AGAIN, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THAT WHEN WE SIT HERE TODAY AND IT'S SUNNY OUT AND EVERYTHING'S THE WAY IT IS, WE CAN KIND OF GO, WHAT DO WE DO? RIGHT? BUT THEN WE SEE THESE THINGS THAT WE HAVE HAPPEN, RIGHT? WE SEE THESE NOTICES. YOU GUYS, I WAS A LITTLE BIT LATE GETTING AN EMAIL OUT TO YOU GUYS ABOUT SOME OF THE QUESTIONS, RIGHT? BUT EVERY TIME IT RAINS HARD, LARRY, YOUR FOLKS ARE OUT THERE, RIGHT? AT THESE LOW WATER CROSSINGS, RIGHT? WE HEAR FROM RESIDENTS WHO SAY, HEY, THE DRAINAGE DITCH IS GROWING UP TOO FAST. IT NEEDS TO BE MOWED. I DON'T DISAGREE, BUT WE HAD A REALLY WET MAY REALLY WET JUNE, AND I'VE GOT DRAINAGE DITCHES WE HAVE TO MOW LARRY. FOLKS HAVE TO MOW NOT ME THROUGHOUT THE CITY, RIGHT? AND, AND WHEN THAT WE GET THESE WET MONTHS AND EVERYTHING IS GROWING FAST, THEY'RE, THEY'RE SLOWER GETTING AT IT. AND THAT'S A FUNCTION OF THIS. SO, UM, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, IF THIS FEE IS INCREASED, IS FIRST BUILD UP THAT CAPACITY IN OUR PERSONNEL AND EQUIPMENT. SO GOING TO COUNCILMAN BROWN'S QUESTION ABOUT, IF I GIVE YOU THE MONEY FOR THE SIDEWALKS AND WE DON'T GIVE YOU THE PEOPLE, CAN YOU DO SOMETHING WITH IT? RIGHT? IN THIS CASE, WE'RE REALLY STRUGGLING WITH PEOPLE AND EQUIPMENT AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO AT THE FIRST FEE, FEE INCREASE, AND BECAUSE SOME OF THE PROJECTS ARE SO EXPENSIVE, THE IDEA IS LET'S USE THAT TO BUILD OUR STAFF UP. WE CAN NOW WOULD BE ABLE TO GET OUT AND MOW THINGS MORE QUICKLY, RIGHT? UH, WE CAN DO SOME OF THOSE MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR PROJECTS. WE'VE GOT EQUIPMENT TO DO A LITTLE MORE EFFICIENT. BUT THIS FEE INCREASE ISN'T REALLY LETTING US GO OUT AND DO SOME BIG MAJOR EXPENSIVE PROJECTS THAT YOU'LL SEE. UH, THOSE WOULD BE FEE INCREASES IN THE FUTURE ON TOP OF WHAT WE'VE ALREADY DONE THAT WE'RE AGAIN, TRYING TO REFINE THE STUDY ON. AND SO WHAT WE'VE GOT WITH THAT IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL [03:15:01] REQUEST, AGAIN, WE'VE GOT THE MERIT THAT APPLIES TO EVERYBODY IN THE CITY WE TALKED ABOUT. THE OTHER THING, AND THIS THIS HELPS US HERE TOO, IS A POSITION OF A FLOODPLAIN ADMINISTRATOR. THIS IS THE PERSON WHOSE JOB IS TO REALLY DEAL WITH THOSE BIG FLOODING ISSUES, MANAGE THAT PROGRAMS, SEEK OUT GRANTS, PARTICIPATE WITH OTHER ENTITIES AROUND US AND AGENCIES TO TRY TO GET THE FOCUS ON WHAT WE NEED TO DO. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING ARE HANDLING ALL THAT, BUT THEY'RE HANDLING THAT. ONCE THEY GET DONE WITH THE DEVELOPER WHO SAYS, HEY, I NEED THIS PLAT REVIEWED REALLY QUICKLY, ONCE THEY DEAL WITH, I GOT A BROKEN WATER LINE OVER HERE THAT I'VE GOTTA DEAL WITH, RIGHT? SO IT TENDS TO BE PUSHED LOWER PRIORITY 'CAUSE IT'S SUNNY OUT TODAY. AND THEN WE LOOK UP ONE DAY AND WE'VE GOT THIS PROBLEM AND WE'RE GOING, OH MY GOSH. THE, THE OTHER IS THIS MASTER DRAINAGE PLAN TO LOOK AT WHAT WE WANT TO DO AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO SORT OF SOLVE SOME OF THESE BIG PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR, FOR 20, 25 YEARS. THE OTHER WE'VE HEARD IS WHAT ABOUT THE TREE REMOVAL IN THE S OAK CREEK? RIGHT? HERE'S THIS STUFF THAT'S PILING UP THERE. IT CATCHES STUFF. THAT'S A PROJECT WE'RE ADDING, BUT THAT'S NOT A SUPER, SUPER EXPENSIVE ONE. WE'VE HEARD ABOUT THE RIGHT OF WAY ALONG THE RAILROAD AND THE DRAINAGE THAT AND HOW IT LOOKS AESTHETICALLY. AND THE PROBLEM IS, IT'S NOT JUST A MATTER OF SENDING SOMEBODY MOW. YOU'VE GOTTA REALLY SPEND A BUNCH OF MONEY TO CLEAN IT OUT AND THEN YOU CAN GET IN AND KEEP IT MOWED EFFICIENTLY. NEED TO ADD THAT ADDITIONAL DRAINAGE CREW. SO WHEN YOU SAY, HEY, THEY'RE CALLING IT'S HIGH OVER HERE. I'VE GOT ENOUGH PEOPLE TO GO OUT AND DO THAT STUFF AND THEN ADD IN SOME OF THOSE VEHICLES GOING FORWARD, UH, DRAINAGE TRAIL OR DUMP TRAIL OR UTV. AND SO YOU CAN SEE SORT OF OUR FIVE-YEAR FORECAST WITH, WITH REVENUE IN TERMS OF, OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO, TO BRING IN AND WHAT HAPPENS IN THAT FUND BALANCE THAT THEY HAVE TO MAINTAIN TO MOVE US FORWARD. AND THAT'S SORT OF IT. BUT AGAIN, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS PREDICATED ON GOING UP ON THAT DRAINAGE FEE FROM THAT FIVE 20 TO $8. RIGHT? UM, AND TO BE CLEAR, EVEN WITH THAT, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO START DOING THE BIG DRAINAGE PROBLEMS WHERE WE'RE CUTTING NEW CHANNELS. WE'RE CONCRETING CHANNELS, WE'RE DEALING WITH REAL EROSION ISSUES. WE'RE REALLY DEALING WITH THE MAINTENANCE KIND OF STUFF. THE DEBRIS PICKUP, CLEARING OUT SI, OAK CREEK, HAVING SOMEBODY TO HELP FOCUS ON GOING FORWARD. AND I THINK IN SOME WAYS THAT THAT, THAT, UM, FLOODPLAIN ADMINISTRATOR IS IMPORTANT. 'CAUSE WE WOULD ASSUME AFTER WHAT'S HAPPENED IN KERRVILLE WITH THE INCREASED DETENTION, THERE WILL LIKELY BE A LOT MORE DOLLARS COMING INTO THIS ISSUE, HOPEFULLY. AND HAVING SOMEONE TO HELP US GO AFTER THOSE WE THINK IS, WE THINK IS HELPFUL. UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT'S SORT OF PREDICATED HERE. AGAIN, YOU'VE GOT THE ABILITY TO NOT GO UP AT ALL, NOT GO UP THAT FULL AMOUNT. AND WE CAN MAKE THE ADJUSTMENTS ACCORDINGLY BECAUSE RIGHT. WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE 5 28 BUCKS, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A LOT. BUT THEN AGAIN, YOU STACK AND YOU STACK AND WE, WE GET IT. BUT AGAIN, THIS ONE THAT WE WOULD SAY IS FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO'VE BEEN AROUND YOU, REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENS FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO LIVE IN CERTAIN AREAS, YOU'RE AWARE OF WHAT HAPPENS, RIGHT? WE, WE, YOU GOT THE EMAIL FROM THE GUY OVER, OVERALL 4 82 WHOSE, WHOSE WHOLE DRIVEWAY WASHED OUT, RIGHT? WE, WE'VE HAD MICKEY STAND UP IN, IN THE MOWING OF THE CHANNELS. WE HAD MS. YOLANDA PURSER WHO STOOD UP A COUPLE MONTHS AGO AND SAID, I LIVE OFF GIAN SPRINGS, RIGHT? WE HEAR ABOUT THIS STUFF FROM FOLKS AND THIS IS REALLY TO FUND THE PROGRAM GOING FORWARD. SO IT'S AN IMPASSIONED, UH, REQUEST FROM MY PART, BUT I THINK THE FOLKS WHO WORK IN DRAINAGE ARE PRETTY PASSIONATE ABOUT IT. A LOT OF THOSE FOLKS HAVE LIVED HERE A LONG TIME. SEE THE PROBLEMS, DEAL WITH IT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, AS A LAST ISSUE, WE'VE GOT, UH, THAT BIG HEAVY RAINSTORM IN JUNE. THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS WHO LIVE OVER THERE NEXT TO LOWE'S THAT CAME OVER THE CHANNEL AND STARTED FLOODING THEM OUT. WE DID SOME THINGS WITH IT. WE'RE DOING A STUDY TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE REALLY FIX THAT PROBLEM. BUT WHEN I WENT OUT A WEEK LATER WHEN THERE WAS A HEAVY RAIN TO SEE WHAT WAS GOING ON, AS I'M OUT THERE WALKING IN THE RAIN, LOOKING AT IT FOR ME IS NOT A BIG DEAL. BUT THE DRAINAGE GROUP PULLS UP AS I'M OUT THERE. THEY HAD COME OUT TO CHECK THE SAME THING. SO, I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'VE GOT FOLKS DOING. UM, AND HAVING THE PEOPLE TO DO THAT IS IMPORTANT. SO THIS ONE, I'LL TAKE QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, THOUGHTS, QUESTION FOR YOU, UH, REGARDING SLO CREEK. YEP. UH, OUR, I GUESS OUR BOUNDARIES, IT STARTS RIGHT THERE AT MASKY. ARE WE GONNA HAVE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS WITH UNIVERSAL CITY AND ON THE PORTIONS THAT WE SHARE THE BORDER WITH? SO, SO HERE'S WHAT I'D SAY TO THAT, MAYOR, WE NEED TO BE WORKING WITH AND HAVE AGREEMENTS WITH OUR NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES, RIGHT? BECAUSE IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, ANYBODY WHO'S BEEN HERE A LONG TIME, AS I'VE HEARD THE STORY, BACK WHEN IT, WE HAD ALL THAT BAD FLOODING 27 YEARS AGO WHEN WE STARTED EVACUATING PEOPLE, IT WASN'T REAL BAD HERE. IT WAS HAPPENING UP IN BERNIE IS WHAT EVERYBODY TELLS ME, [03:20:01] RIGHT? IT'S THIS RAIN UP THERE AND THIS WATER COMING DOWN. SO IN ADDITION TO THOSE NEIGHBORS RIGHT AROUND US, WE NEED TO BE WORKING REGIONALLY. AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE, AND APPRECIATE COUNCILMAN DAVIS POINTING STUFF OUT TO US, BUT IN TERMS OF THE STATEWIDE KIND OF FLOOD PLAIN, WHAT ARE THEY CALLED? KATHY, THE REGIONAL FLOOD PLAIN WORK GROUPS. WE SIT ON TWO OF THEM. WE, WE ARE STRADDLED WITH IT. SO YES, MAYOR, WE NEED TO WORK WITH THOSE NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES. WE MENTIONED WE NEED TO WORK WITH FOLKS FURTHER OUT. OUR PROBLEM, LIKE WE SIT IN THREE COUNTIES, MULTIPLE SCHOOL DISTRICTS, IS WE SIT IN A COUPLE OF THESE FLOOD PLAIN GROUPS AND AND THAT'S PART OF THE CHALLENGE THAT I THINK WE'VE HAD, UH, WITH THIS. SO YES. OKAY. NOTICE IN THE FLOODPLAIN GROUPS THAT WE SIT IN, WE'RE A SMALL SEGMENT OF EACH ONE OF THOSE GROUPS. THAT'S RIGHT. SO WE'RE NOT KIND OF THE IMPORTANT ONE ON THERE. AND I HAD A CONVERSATION YESTERDAY WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER MOODY IN SAN ANTONIO, AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT POSSIBLY DOING LIKE $20 MILLION OF DOING SOME THINGS IN THE BAYER COUNTY AREA. SO I KNOW THAT AFTER KE COUNTY, EVERYBODY IS LOOKING AT HOW CAN THEY DO SOME THINGS, CHANGE SOME THINGS, AND WHERE'S THE MONEY COMING FROM. SO I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GONNA BE LOTS MORE MONEY PROBABLY COMING IN YEAH. FROM FEMA. BUT SITTING ON WITH THE NLC, WE'VE ASKED THEM TO SEND US A LIST OF ALL THE STATES THAT ARE PART OF NLC YEP. AND HOW MUCH MONEY THE STATE ALREADY RECEIVED SO THAT CITIES CAN START LOOKING AT TRYING TO GET MONEY FROM THEM TO TRY TO MITIGATE SOME OF THIS. YEAH. I MEAN, I THINK, I THINK THAT'S A LOT OF IT. YOU TALKED ABOUT IT, RIGHT? WE'RE SPLIT INTO A COUPLE. SO WE BECOME A SMALL VOICE IN BOTH GROUPS. AND IT'S MAINLY LIKE YOU SAID, WITH THE VETERANS EXEMPTIONS, RIGHT? HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE REACH THE FOLKS WE NEED TO REACH TO MAKE THEM AWARE OF THE, THE IMPACT THIS HAS ON US? IT'S THE SAME THING HERE, RIGHT? AND KATHY IS THE FIRST, EVERY YEAR WHEN WE DO OUR MS FOUR PERMIT, SHE LAMENTS, YOU KNOW, WE SCRAMBLE LAST MINUTE TO DO THIS THING BECAUSE WE'RE SO BUSY WITH OTHER THINGS AND WE DON'T HAVE THE FOCUS ON IT THAT WE REALLY NEED TO. BUT AGAIN, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, WELL, WHAT DO WE PULL OFF? WELL, WE CAN'T PULL OFF THAT. WE CAN'T PULL OFF THAT, WE CAN'T PULL OFF THAT. I THINK THIS IS WHERE IT GOES TO US TO, TO DO THAT. HAVING THAT STUDY IS ALSO CRITICAL. BUT LET'S US SHOW UP WITH SOMETHING AND SAY, HERE IS THE PROBLEM WE HAVE. NOW I CAN SHOW YOU THE PROBLEM WE HAVE AND WE CAN POINT YOU TO THE SOLUTIONS FOR TO GO AFTER THOSE FUNDS. SEE, BUT ALL THAT ADDS TO THE COMPLEXITY OF WHERE WE'RE AT. BECAUSE EVEN IF THE COUNTIES ARE GIVEN PORTIONS TO FIX THEIR FLOOD MITIGATION ISSUES MM-HMM . BEXAR COUNTY'S GONNA GET THEIRS AND THEY'RE GONNA FOCUS ON BEXAR COUNTY. MM-HMM . WE'RE ON THE BORDER OF BAYAR COUNTY'S AND GU, LUPE COUNTY GU LUPE COUNTY'S GONNA GET THEIRS AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA FOCUS ON THE CREEK. THAT THAT'S RIGHT. THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY, AGAIN, AND, AND TO BE BLUNT, LET ME SAY THIS, IF WE WAIT 13 YEARS TO GO UP ON OUR FEE LONGER THAN WE SHOULD HAVE RIGHT. AND WE DON'T HAVE SOMEBODY WHO'S FOCUSED ON DOING THIS, WE ARE, WE ARE GOING TO GET MISSED. RIGHT. WE HAVE ALL THOSE THINGS KIND OF WORKING AGAINST US. IT CAUSES US TO REALLY HAVE TO STEP INTO THIS THAT ALLOWS US TO KIND OF DO OUR PART THAT WE KNOW WE HAVE TO, TO GET THE ATTENTION OF OTHER FOLKS TO BE ABLE TO GET SOME OF THOSE RESOURCES BROUGHT. FOUR YEARS AGO, BEAR COUNTY SPEND $240 MILLION ON THEIR WATERSHEDS MM-HMM . AND NOTHING CAME DOWN TO THE S CREEK. YEAH. YEAH. 'CAUSE IT'S ON THE VERY EDGE, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT, IT, I MEAN MM-HMM . IT, IT'S, WE GET FRUSTRATED BY IT, BUT YET IT'S A RATIONAL SORT OF DECISION ON THEIR PART. UNLESS WE ARE SITTING THERE, UNLESS WE ARE MEETING WITH THEM. UNLESS THEY KNOW WHO THE PERSON IS HERE THAT GOES AND CALLS 'EM PERIODICALLY, HAS LUNCH WITH THEM, SHOWS UP AT THE MEETINGS, HANDS 'EM OUR STUFF, RIGHT? AND THEN THEY GO, WELL WAIT A MINUTE, WE DO THIS. WE WE'VE GOT THAT GUY INSURED, THAT WOMAN INSURED WHO KEEPS CALLING, HERE'S THEIR ISSUE. YEAH. I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. YEAH. AND WE DON'T EXPECT FOR THEM TO PAY ALL OF IT. BUT I AT LEAST SOME CONTRIBUTION THAT THAT'S RIGHT. AND I THINK PART OF IT IS US BEING ABLE TO ASK IN A THOUGHTFUL, CONFIDENT WAY THAT SAYS, HERE'S THE BENEFIT OF THAT FUNDING, WHAT IT DOES. 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S HARD FOR US TO EXPLAIN THAT. AND THAT'S WHY THE, THAT'S WHY THE DRAINAGE FEE IS IMPORTANT, IS THAT WE CAN, WE CAN SUBSIDIZE THE PORTION THAT'S NOT PROVIDED IF THERE'S ANY FUNDS. THAT'S RIGHT. WE HAVE TO DO OUR PART WITH IT. RIGHT. YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET SOMEBODY TO PAY FOR EVERYTHING. WE'VE GOTTA DO OUR PART. WE NEED TO KEEP UP WITH THAT. UM, AGAIN, THERE ARE PROS AND CONS TO IT BEING A FEE. THE DRAWBACK IS WE HAVE TO GO DO THE FEE. BUT I WILL SAY THE CHALLENGE ON THIS ONE IS IT'S IS REALLY HARD TO GET THE COMMUNITY TO UNDERSTAND WHY THIS IS NEEDED AND THE BENEFIT. BECAUSE AGAIN, UNLESS YOU LIVE IN AN AREA THAT YOU'VE SEEN FLOOD, YOU JUST DON'T, IT JUST DOESN'T RESONATE WITH YOU. AND, AND SO IF WE FUND THIS, WE GET THAT FLOOD PLAIN ADMINISTRATOR, PART OF THEIR JOB IS TO START WORKING WITH PUBLIC AFFAIRS. HELPING FOLKS UNDERSTAND THAT. HELPING THEM GO, WOW, I DIDN'T REALIZE WE HAD THAT PROBLEM IN THE COMMUNITY. I DIDN'T REALIZE HOW THIS IMPACTS THAT. THAT'S HOW WE DRIVE THIS [03:25:01] THING FORWARD. AND SO, AND ANOTHER ANOTHER THING THAT YOU DIDN'T PLACE ON YOUR SLIDE IS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, COST OF, UH, FLOOD INSURANCE ON THE FEMA MAP, UH, THAT IS MORE THAN A HUNDRED DOLLARS A MONTH. YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. CASES. SO, YEP. YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, AND, AND LIKE YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE INDIVIDUALS MAY NOT BECAUSE WE'RE, THEY'RE ON THE NORTHERN SIDE AND THEY WON'T EXPERIENCE THESE THINGS. MM-HMM . BUT IT'S, IT'S A COMBINATION OF THE COMMUNITY, OUR CITY, TO MITIGATE SOME OF THESE ISSUES THAT'S RIGHT. FOR THE, FOR THE REST OF THE RESIDENTS. UM, SO YEAH, I THINK, I THINK THAT'S PART OF IT TOO, RIGHT? I THINK MOST CITIZENS SAY, I EXPECT OUR, OUR CITY STAFF AND OUR CITY LEADERS ARE DIGGING INTO THE, DIGGING INTO THESE ISSUES, RIGHT? THAT, THAT IT'S HARD FOR US TO DIG INTO AND THAT WE'RE TRUSTING THEIR JUDGMENT TO SAY, HEY, WE'RE GONNA TAKE CARE OF THE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE TAKEN CARE OF. RIGHT. YOU'VE HEARD A LOT OF THAT COMING AROUND WITH THE KERRVILLE KIND OF KIND OF MEETINGS RECENTLY. I THINK FOLKS, IT'S JUST LIKE, YOU GO INTO A RESTAURANT, YOU GO INTO A RESTAURANT SHIRTS, YOU ASSUME OUR, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES FOLKS HAVE BEEN ON AND INSPECTED IT, AND IF YOU EAT THERE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET SICK. RIGHT. I THINK FOLKS JUST HAVE THAT ASSUMPTION. SO MR. JAMES YES, SIR. IS SO IS IT, SINCE SHIRTS DOES FLOOD AT FROM TIME TO TIME LIKE YOU WERE POINTING OUT, CORRECT? MM-HMM . OKAY. UM, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO AS A CITY TO, UH, AND ESPECIALLY THOSE AREAS THAT FLOOD HERE IN SHIRTS, ANYTHING WE CAN DO PRIOR TO A FLOOD TO MAKE IT SO WHEN IT DOES HAPPEN, IT CAN DRAIN A LOT QUICKER. GO, YES. MORE EFFECTIVE. THERE, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE CAN DO, RIGHT? SO PART OF IT IS, YOU KNOW, MAINTAINING OUR DRAINAGE WAYS. SO THAT'S WHERE, IN COUNCILWOMAN WATSON, TO HER CREDIT, SHE WAS THE ONE PUSHING GOING, WE NEED TO CLEAR ALL THESE TREES THAT ARE CLOGGING UP THE SLO CREEK OUT. WE CAN CLEAR THAT OUT. THAT LETS WATER FLOW THROUGH MORE EFFICIENTLY. WE CAN KEEP THE BRUSH AND VEGETATION DOWN. WE CAN DO MAINTENANCE ON THINGS THAT, WHERE WE START TO SEE PROBLEMS THAT IMPACT THE EFFICIENCY OF OUR SYSTEM. YOU KNOW, THE BIG THING IS WE HAVE DEETS CREEK, THIS, THIS, YOU KNOW, DRAINAGE CHANNEL THAT WE ALL DRIVE PAST, BUT WHERE EVEN KATHY, EVERY YEAR IT GETS LOWER AND LOWER AND LOWER, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE GROUND, THE BASE SILTS UP. AND, AND SO AGAIN, WHEN IT HAD THIS MUCH CAPACITY, NOW IT'S GOT THAT MUCH NOW IT GOT THAT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A HUGE THING YEAR TO YEAR, BUT YOU LOOK UP 10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD AND YOU'VE LOST CAPACITY THERE, RIGHT? AND IN ADDITION TO THE PUBLIC ONES WE HAVE, RIGHT? WE HAVE A LOT, LOT OF NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE THE DRAINAGE CHANNELS, THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING, BUT YET WE DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO GO OUT AND CHECK ON HOW THEY'RE DOING WITH THAT. AND AGAIN, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT IF YOU KIND OF KEEP UP WITH IT, IT'S EASIER THAN IF YOU SHOW UP AFTER 20 YEARS AGO. NOW I'VE GOT THIS BIG PROBLEM, RIGHT? BUT WE NEED SOMEBODY WHOSE JOB IS IN PART FOCUSED ON GOING OUT TO THEM, TALKING ABOUT WHAT THEY NEED TO DO, HOW OFTEN THEY NEED TO DO IT. SO YEAH, THERE'S A LOT WE CAN DO TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN MORE EFFICIENTLY. AND WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THIS FIRST ROUND GETS US, IS GETS US INTO SOME OF THOSE THINGS. BUT YOU ALSO NEED THESE CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT YOU NEED TO DO TO MAINTAIN AND HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE YOU WANT. SO, YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO IS OVERSELL WHAT WE WOULD DO WITH THIS FIRST FEE INCREASE, BUT I ALSO DON'T WANT TO DIMINISH THE VALUE WE GET FROM IT. WELL, I'M, I'M FOR IT. I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE SORT OF LIKE A PREM MAINTENANCE BEFORE THE FLOODING, CORRECT? UH, IT, IT'S PART OF IT, RIGHT? I MEAN, BUT PART OF, PART OF YOUR, PART OF YOUR MAINTENANCE BEFORE THE FLOODING IS REALLY DOING THE BIG EXPENSIVE STUFF, RIGHT? SO, I MEAN, AND, AND LIKE LARRY CAN JUMP UP IF HE WANTS AND HELP ME ON THIS, OR HE CAN SIT BACK THERE AND LET ME STRUGGLE. BUT HE CAN NAME OFF A COUPLE PROJECTS THAT IF WE HAVE A FLOOD NOW THE STATE THAT THIS IS IN IS GOING TO BE WORSE THAN IF WE COME IN AND MAKE THIS FIX AND HOW IT WOULD HANDLE IT. SO AGAIN, LEMME TELL YOU, WE HAVE LOOKED AT, THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE COST OF BASICALLY RAISING THE WALL ON THAT CONCRETE CHANNEL NEXT TO LOWS. WE KNOW IF WE HAVE ANOTHER VERY INTENSE STORM LIKE WE DID, WE'VE CLEARED OUT. BUT IF THAT STUFF BACKS UP, AGAIN, IT COULD TOP OVER. IF WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, WE CAN COME IN, INCREASE THE HEIGHT OF THAT, KEEP THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE AND STUFF CLEARED OUT, AND IT'S LIKELY NOT GONNA HAPPEN IN THOSE SITUATIONS. RIGHT? WE KNOW WE CAN DO THAT. BUT CAN YOU GIMME A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES OF STUFF THAT IF WE SPENT A BUNCH OF MONEY NOW, IT WOULD HAVE AN IMMEDIATE EFFECT NEXT TIME IT FLOODS HEAVILY. SURE. SO, UH, JUST A LITTLE FURTHER OTHER FOOL, YOU DON'T HAVE THE, THE FULL STUDY BACK, BUT A BUNCH OF THAT WAS, UH, IT WAS, IT WAS $40 MILLION WORTH OF PROJECTS OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS. AND, AND MOST OF THAT WAS OUR MAJOR CHANNELS, RIGHT? UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT. THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF WAYS TO, TO FUND THAT, AND THAT'S PART [03:30:01] OF WHAT CAME BACK, RIGHT? UH, BUT, BUT MOST OF THAT IS, IS IN OUR, OUR MAJOR CREEKS. AND SO I'LL TELL YOU THAT IN, IN THE FLOODS RECENTLY, UH, OUR, OUR CREEKS BACKED UP. WE CLOSED WATER, LOW WATER CROSSINGS. WE DIDN'T GET WATER IN HOUSES FROM IT BACKING UP FROM THE CREEK, BUT THERE WAS DAMAGE IN LOCAL WATER AREAS SUCH AS THAT, RIGHT? AND SO, UH, A LOT OF THOSE DOLLARS ARE SPENT ON BIG PROJECTS AND THAT'S THE HIGH PROFILE STUFF. BUT THIS, THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, LOCALIZED FLOODING NOT IN THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN IS, IS A BIG DEAL. SO, UH, I KNOW IN THE NORTH CLIFF AREA, THERE'S, THERE'S WATER THAT'S BACKED UP. ANYTIME YOU HAVE STEEP HILLS, YOU HAVE HOUSES BUILT BELOW GRADE. FOLKS DON'T THINK ABOUT THAT WHEN THEY BUY A HOUSE, RIGHT? UH, HERE IN CREMER FARMS, THEY GET IN THEIR DRIVEWAY ALL THE TIME, RIGHT? INTENSE RAINS. AND SO, UH, TO, AND, AND IT'S REALLY TIGHT AREAS, SO YOU'RE AFFECTING PEOPLE'S PROPERTIES, RIGHT? AND SO, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE. SO LOWS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE. UM, ALSO, UM, THE, UH, THE ONE DOWN HERE. AND SO AGAIN, FOLKS HAVEN'T GOT WATER IN THEIR HOUSE, BUT, UH, IT DOES HAPPEN AGAIN. AND THEN UP THERE IN FAIRWAY RIDGE, UH, THAT WAS ONE OF THE LAST PROJECTS WE WERE ACTUALLY ABLE TO FUND THAT THE DRAINAGE FEE, RIGHT? SMALLER PROJECT. IT WAS, IT WAS 75,000 MAYBE. UM, AND, AND IT'S BEEN A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, UM, IT WAS WHEN MY TIME WAS IN ENGINEERING, UH, BUT WE, THAT, THAT WAS IN FAIRWAY RIDGE, RIGHT? AND SO THAT PERSON'S HOUSE IS BELOW THE STREET LEVEL AND IT JUMPED THE CURB ALL THE TIME. AND SO, UH, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S FAIRLY COST VERY COSTLY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LOCALIZED PROJECTS LIKE THAT POTENTIALLY BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE TOUCHING SMALL LOTS. UM, BUT YEAH, IT'S A BIG DEAL. YEAH. SO I THINK PART OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO, RIGHT? WE GET THIS MONEY, WE GET THIS PERSON, IS WE START THEN RAISING AWARENESS. WE CAN GO AFTER MORE MONEY AND WE CAN ALSO RAISE AWARENESS IN THE COMMUNITY OF, OF THE NEED OF THE ISSUES. AND FRANKLY, SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE DANGERS THAT ISSUE THAT WE ALL KIND OF KNOW TURN AROUND DON'T DROWN. BUT THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THAT WE HAVE TO JUST REPEAT TO PEOPLE OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. AND EVEN FRANKLY MAKE FOLKS AWARE THAT THESE ARE SOME OF THOSE AREAS WHERE THAT HAPPENS. 'CAUSE WE HAVE A COUPLE SPOTS THAT WE KEEP KIND OF GETTING CARS FLOODED OUT THAT FOLKS JUST DON'T REALIZE THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING. AND SO THAT'S PART OF WHAT THIS GOES TO. SO, SO MR. JAMES, DO WE HAVE ENOUGH PERSONNEL TO APPOINT A CREW TO DO ALL THIS PRE-WORK SO WHEN A FLOOD DOES COME, IT WOULD BE MORE EFFECTIVE? OR DO WE, DO WE NEED TO CREATE A CREW? YEAH, YOU NEED OR A SEPARATE, WE NEED AN ADDITIONAL CREW, RIGHT? SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE FUNDING THIS YEAR IS THAT DRAINAGE CREW AND UH, THE THE DRAINAGE WORKER, RIGHT? SO WE NEED ADDITIONAL PEOPLE WHO ARE OUT THERE EVERY DAY DOING THIS BASIC STUFF, RIGHT? THAT'S WHERE WE FALL BEHIND. SO THAT'S WHAT THIS FIRST INCREASE, THAT'S PART OF WHAT THIS FUNDS IS MORE PEOPLE OUT THERE. BECAUSE EVERY TIME WE BUILD A NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE ADD SOME OF THOSE DRAINAGE WAYS, IT'S BEEN THE SAME NUMBER OF FOLKS WHO ARE TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH ALL THAT ADDITIONAL WORK. AND SO, YEAH, ONE OF THE BIG THINGS IS WE JUST NEED A NEW CREW. 'CAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHAT HAPPENED KIND OF RIGHT IN, IN MAY AND JUNE HERE WHEN WE HAD THESE WET MONTHS AND EVERYTHING WAS GROWING UP, RIGHT? SO CODE ENFORCEMENT IS SUPER BUSY 'CAUSE THEY'RE GETTING ALL THESE COMPLAINTS 'CAUSE PEOPLE CAN'T MOW DRAINAGE FOLKS ARE SUPER BUSY. DRAINAGE HAS THE ADDITIONAL CHALLENGE OF WHEN IT'S REALLY WET, THEY CAN'T MOW, THEY JUST GOTTA STAND THERE AS THIS STUFF GROWS UP. NOW THEY CAN DO OTHER OTHER STUFF. THEY'RE NOT SITTING AROUND, BUT, RIGHT. THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM PEOPLE HAVE IS IT RAINS STUFF STARTS GROWING UP, IT'S A COUPLE DAYS LATER, THEY'RE GONNA, WHY AREN'T YOU MOWING IT? AND THE ANSWER IS, YOU CAN GO OUT THERE AND YOU'VE GOT THIS MUCH WATER IN IT IN PARTICULAR WHERE WE HAVE REALLY FLAT CHANNELS THAT ARE EARTHING. IF THEY GET OUT AND DRIVE THOSE MOWERS THROUGH THERE, IT RUTS IT OUT, CREATES RUTS. AND THE PROBLEM IS THEN THE WATER DOESN'T FLOW. AND I CAN GUARANTEE YOU SIX MONTHS LATER THAT RESIDENT IS CALLING COMPLAINING GOING, NOW I GOT THESE WET SPOTS THAT ARE MOSQUITO BREEDING GROUNDS. 'CAUSE THEY DON'T REALIZE WE GOTTA LET IT DRY. BUT THE PROBLEM IS, ONCE IT STARTS TO DRY, EVERYTHING IS STARTED TO DRY AND, AND WE'VE GOT ALL OVER THE CITY, RIGHT? SO IRONICALLY, WHEN WE GOT THE COMPLAINT UP HERE, WHERE WERE YOU GUYS? SO WE WERE, WE WERE MOWING DOWN SOUTH. DOWN SOUTH. YEAH. WHO MANY OF YOU. AND, AND AGAIN, THESE GUYS HAVEN'T BEEN THERE AND THERE TO EVEN SEE WHAT THOSE FOLKS, IF WE HAD PULLED 'EM OFF, COULD HAVE GOT UP HERE QUICKER. BUT YOU WOULD'VE GOTTEN CALLS FROM THOSE FOLKS DOWN THERE GOING, WELL, WHY'D YOU PULL 'EM OFF? ARE THEY MORE IMPORTANT THAN ME? NOBODY'S MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANYBODY. BUT THAT'S THE CHALLENGE. YEAH. SO, SO WE NEED MORE PERSONNEL. WE NEED MORE PERSONNEL. WE'VE GOT IT IN HERE. THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THIS. SO INCLUDED IN THERE, YOU SEE UP THERE, THERE ARE SIX POSITIONS BEING ADDED TO THIS FUND TO DO EXACTLY WHAT BRIAN'S DESCRIBING. I DO WANT TO POINT OUT ONE OF 'EM, THAT'S THAT MS FOUR FLOODPLAIN ADMINISTRATOR. SO THIS [03:35:01] IS GREAT AND ALL, BUT WE, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO GET A BETTER HANDLE ON THE ACTUAL DRAINAGE SYSTEM ITSELF AND HOW WE ADDRESS THESE ISSUES. SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A FLOODPLAIN ADMINISTRATOR IN ADDITION TO THE BOOTS ON THE GROUND THAT CAN GO OUT AND DO THE ACTUAL MAINTENANCE, I WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE HAVE A, A, A FLOOD RATE, UH, RESCUE RATE TO START CHARGING FOR FIRE EMS AND EVERYTHING. I OBVIOUSLY, I GUESS WE DON'T HAVE ONE THAT WE CHARGE PEOPLE FOR GOING AROUND THE BARRICADES AND CHARGING 'EM BECAUSE THEY'RE STILL GONNA DO IT AND YOU NEED TO CHARGE 'EM. SO LET ME TALK TO THE FIRE CHIEF AND SEE WHAT WE'VE GOT ON THAT. I WILL TELL YOU, LIKE DOWN HERE, IS IT AS MUCH PEOPLE GOING AROUND BARRICADES WHERE IT'S, THEY JUST DON'T REALIZE IT GETS THAT DEEP. I MEAN, THAT'S MORE WHAT WE TEND TO RUN INTO, BUT THERE ARE TRAFFIC LAW VIOLATIONS IN CITY ORDINANCES THAT PREVENT YOU OR SUPPOSED TO STOP YOU FROM GOING AROUND A BARRICADE, ESPECIALLY DURING FLOODING. AND THEN THERE ARE CAMPAIGNS TURN AROUND, DON'T DROWN. BUT AGAIN, WE CAN'T PUT A PERSON AT EVERY INTERSECTION. THE BARRICADES ARE DESIGNED TO BLOCK PEOPLE AND THEY MOVE THEM WHEN OTHER PEOPLE DRIVE AWAY OUR WORKERS. BUT THERE ARE ALREADY STATUTORY, UM, ORDINANCES AND LAWS IN PLACE THAT WE CAN WRITE A TICKET FOR OR PLACE THEM UNDER ARREST IF NECESSARY. AND SO HOW MUCH OF A PROBLEM LARRY AND CHIEF WOULD Y'ALL SAY WE HAVE OF PEOPLE ACTUALLY GOING AROUND BARRICADES? IS THAT A A HUGE ISSUE FOR US OR NOT SO MUCH HAPPENS OCCASIONALLY? WELL, I'LL USE THE LAST BRAINSTORM THAT WE, WE HAD HERE. IT WAS, UH, QUITE FREQUENTLY AND THEN THEY WERE ARGUING WITH THE OFFICERS ON THE STREET BECAUSE THEY NEEDED TO GET TO THE OTHER SIDE, FOREGOING THEIR SAFETY AND WANTED, INSTEAD OF DRIVING AROUND FOUR OR FIVE MILES, WHICH CERTAINLY WOULD MAYBE BE AN INCONVENIENCE, BUT IT WAS A SAFETY ISSUE. AND AFTER YOU'VE HAD FOUR OR FIVE CARS GET PUSHED OFF THE, THE ROADWAY, REMEMBER SIX INCHES OF WATER FLOWING IS ENOUGH TO MOVE A VEHICLE. SO THAT'S WHERE THEN WE HAVE TO CALL IN PRIOR RESCUE AND EVERYTHING ELSE TO GET INTO THAT. SO UNFORTUNATELY IT IS MORE COMMON THAN WE WOULD LIKE. IT'S PROBABLY MOSTLY NON INSURED'S RESIDENTS DOING THAT THOUGH. RIGHT? BUT FAIR POINT WHEN FOLKS DO WE NEED TO HAVE THE EMBARRASSMENT OF THE COST? YEAH, I THINK WE'RE OKAY. WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. THANK Y'ALL. I, I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. THANKS. SO THE NEXT PART OF, DO WE NEED A BREAK, MAYOR? ARE WE GOOD? WE GOOD? OKAY. SO THE NEXT, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. THAT, THAT ESSENTIALLY ROUNDS OUT THE OPERATING BUDGET. WE DO HAVE THE TWO ITEMS THAT ARE RELATIVE TO THE OPERATING BUDGET, BUT THEY'RE SEPARATE KIND OF DECISION, UM, DECISION STEPS THAT WE'RE GONNA COVER AFTER THE CIP. SO CIP THIS IS A LITTLE BIT NEW, RIGHT? Y'ALL SAW THIS FORMAT LAST YEAR, BUT WE'RE TAKING IT A LITTLE BIT OF A STEP FURTHER IN THAT WE'RE SHOWING YOU THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF THE CAPITAL BUDGET. SO THINK, UH, WELL FIRST OF ALL, LET ME SAY THIS IN FRONT OF YOU. YOU'VE GOT, I THINK, FOUR THICK PACKETS, RIGHT? ONE IS FOR THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT, CIP, THAT'S MORE OF YOUR PROJECTS THAT ARE, ARE SUPPORTED BY THE PROPERTY TAX RATE, THE INS PORTION OF THE PROPERTY TAX RATE. THEN YOU HAVE A PACKET FOR WATER AND SEWER, AND THEN THAT'S WHAT'S SUPPORTED WITH THE WATER AND SEWER RATE. AND THEN YOU HAVE THE DRAINAGE, WHICH WOULD BE SUPPORTED BY A DRAINAGE FEE THAT BRIAN JUST WENT OVER THAT IN SUBSEQUENT YEARS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IMPLEMENTING A HIGHER DRAINAGE FEE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE CAPITAL PROJECTS. AND I BELIEVE THAT'S IT. SO THE WATER AND SEWER ARE TOGETHER. THERE'S A SHEET ON THE FRONT THAT'S THE SUMMARY OF THE 10 YEAR PLAN. IF YOU GO ABOUT HALFWAY THROUGH, A LITTLE MORE THAN HALFWAY THROUGH THE WATER AND SEWER ONE IS THE, WHERE THE SEWER IS. SO IF YOU WANNA SPLIT THAT OUT, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THOSE SIDE BY SIDE. BUT WHEN I, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE CIP TODAY, WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON THE CAPITAL BUDGET. IN THE CAPITAL BUDGET IS THE FIRST YEAR OF THAT 10 YEAR PLAN. SO WHEN YOU APPROPRIATE THE CAPITAL BUDGET, YOU'RE ONLY APPROPRIATING ONE YEAR AT A TIME. THE REST OF THE NINE YEARS THAT YOU SEE LAID OUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S DETAILED FOR FIVE YEARS AND LUMPED IN FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. THAT PLAN THAT YOU SEE MOVING OUT FORWARD IS NOTHING MORE THAN A PLAN. YOU ARE NOT ADOPTING THAT TOTAL AMOUNT. YOU ARE ADOPTING THE, THE CAPITAL BUDGET WHEN YOU ADOPT THE, WHEN WE BRING YOU THE OPERATING BUDGET, WE'LL ALSO BRING YOU THE CAPITAL BUDGET. BUT I I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR THAT YOU'RE NOT ADOPTING THE [03:40:01] ENTIRE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. YOU'RE ADOPTING THE FIRST YEAR, WHICH IS THE CAPITAL BUDGET. SO IN TOTAL, THIS IS THE SLIDE THAT JUST SHOWS YOU THE CAPITAL BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR. AND ON THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT SIDE, THAT'S THAT FIRST PACKET. THERE ARE 10 PROJECTS AND IT, THE TOTAL IS $43 MILLION. SO THE DEBT ISSUANCE THAT JAMES SHOWED YOU, IT'S, IT'S A COMBINATION OF WHAT WE WILL ISSUE IN DEBT NEXT YEAR. IMPACT FEES, GRANTS CASH FUNDING. SO IT ALL GOES, UH, IN TO MAKE UP THIS $43.3 MILLION THAT WE'LL SPEND NEXT YEAR. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS SUMMARY SHEET HERE AND YOU MOVE OUT TO THE RIGHT AND YOU MOVE OUT TO THE RIGHT OVER THE, THE SUBSEQUENT NINE YEARS, THE TOTAL IDENTIFIED NEED FOR, I GUESS THIS IS JUST STREETS, I'M SORRY, AT THE TOP. YOU GOTTA GO TO EACH, EACH PAGE. IS IT JUST STREETS IN THE PACKET? NO. YEAH, I, I WE ARE, WE'LL, WE WILL GET TO THAT IN A MINUTE. BUT ANYWAYS, THE TOTAL FOR, YOU KNOW WHERE THAT PAINTED? YEAH, LET ME GET TO THAT. LET'S SEE HOW MANY ARE IN THIS BACK. SO IN THERE SOMEWHERE IS THE LAST PAGE, WHICH WOULD HAVE THE SUMMARY IN IT. AND UM, IT IS A LOT MORE, HERE IT IS. SO OVER THE 10 YEARS, WE HAVE $404 MILLION WORTH OF PROJECTS IDENTIFIED. AND 245 MILLION OF THAT IS IN THE OUT YEARS. SO THE BULK OF IT IS IN THE, IN THAT LAST FIVE YEARS, RIGHT? FROM, FROM 2031 TO 20, UH, FROM 2031 TO 2040. BUT IN ANY EVENT, IT'S IN THE OUT YEARS, WE HAVE TOTAL IDENTIFIED PROJECTS OF $404 MILLION FOR THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT. SO JUST BEARING THAT IN MIND, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THESE SHEETS, THERE IS A TOTAL AT THE BOTTOM OF THEM, AT, AT THE BOTTOM OF ALL OF THEM. WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT PART THAT SHOWS THE COST OF THE WHOLE PLAN. ALL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY REALLY IS THE CAPITAL BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR. ALL RIGHT. AND YOU CAN SEE THE BREAKDOWN. WE'VE GOT SOME PARKS, 5.3 MILLION AND 1.2 MILLION FOR FACILITIES. AND THEN THE BULK OF THAT IS GONNA BE STREETS AT 35.7. SO WHAT WE'LL DO NOW IS WE'RE GOING TO BRING UP EACH OF THE PROJECT SHEETS AND THEN THE PERSON WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE, OH, I GUESS I COULD HAVE JUST LOOKED AT THIS. SO THE PERSON WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR EACH OF THESE PROJECTS IS GONNA COME UP AND GIVE A BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF WHAT IT IS. SO THE FIRST ONE HERE IS MAIN STREET IMPROVEMENTS. WHO'S UP? COME ON UP. JOHN. COUNSEL HAS ALL OF THESE IN FRONT OF THEM AS WELL IN ORDER THAT THEY'LL BE ON THE SCREEN. YES. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. WHY DID THE PIANO PLAYER TAKE A LADDER TO THEIR CONCERT TO MAKE SURE THEY COULD REACH THE HIGH NOTES? ? I HAVE MORE IF YOU NEED MORE PUNS FOR THE DAY. . OKAY. MAIN STREET. UM, THIS PROJECT IS A, IS A COMPLICATED PROJECT. IT INVOLVES REPLACING, UH, THE EXISTING UNDERGROUND, UH, UTILITIES, WATER AND SEWER. UM, CENTER POINT ENERGY ALSO WANTS TO REPLACE THEIR GAS MAIN AND IT ALSO INCLUDES RELOCATION OF ALL THE OVERHEAD, UTILITIES, POWER AND TELECOMMUNICATIONS UNDERGROUND, AND THEN A BUNCH OF SURFACE IMPROVEMENTS, RECONSTRUCTION OF THE STREET AND UH, INSTALLING DECORAT STREET LIGHTING, LANDSCAPING, THE DECORAT, SCREEN PANELS, SIGNAGE TO BRAND THE CORRIDOR, BICYCLE RACKS, BENCHES, THE WHOLE NINE YARDS. UM, SO IT'S A COMPLICATED KIND OF DIFFICULT PROJECT THAT'S, UH, IN THE MIDDLE OF, IN IN PROGRESS AND KIND OF TACKED ONTO THIS. WHILE THE MAIN FOCUS IS MAIN STREET, WE ALSO HAVE ONE OF THE SIDE STREETS, LINDBERGH, THAT'S IN POOR SHAPE AND THAT'LL BE RECONSTRUCTED AT THE SAME TIME WE RECONSTRUCT MAIN STREET. AND HERE'S KIND OF THE PROJECT AREA. YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEE THE SECTION OF, UH, LINDBERGH HERE THAT, UH, WE'RE ALSO RECONSTRUCTING WITH THIS. BUT THIS GOES FROM [03:45:01] CHURCHS PARKWAY TO ABOUT CURTIS STREET. SO PART OF THIS AREA IS IN THE TXDOT AREA. SO WE, IT ADDS ANOTHER LAYER THAT WE HAVE TO GET PERMISSION TO DO THE PROJECT WITH. NEXT PROJECT IS OUR SPAM PROJECT. THIS COVERS A VARIETY OF STREETS IN IN OUR COMMUNITY. THE NEXT AREA THAT WE'RE FOCUSING ON INCLUDE JONAS WOODS. WOODBRIDGE, THE VILLAGE IN RIO VISTA. AND AS THE BUDGET ALLOWS, THE NEXT AREA WOULD BE JUST TO THE EAST OF WOODBRIDGE WOULD BE, UM, WOODLAND OAKS. AND TRY TO PICK UP SOME INDIVIDUAL STREETS SUCH AS MID-CITY PARKWAY TO DO A MILL AND OVERLAY ON ANOTHER ONE OF OUR PROJECTS IS KIND OF SEPARATED OUT. IT'S GOT ITS OWN PROJECT SHEET BECAUSE OF THE DOLLAR AMOUNT, BUT IT'S ALSO A RESURFACING PROJECT, A MILL AND OVERLAY OF SAVANNAH. AND THIS WOULD BE THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF SAVANNAH THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY. FROM THE CITY LIMIT BOUNDARY WITH SELMA ALL THE WAY TO, UM, 3 0 0 9. AND THIS WOULD BE A MILLAN OVERLAY. LAURA SINE ROAD. THIS IS RECONSTRUCTING LAURA SINE ROAD, BASICALLY IN THE AREA, GENERAL AREA FROM 1518 TO OUR SEG LIMIT BOUNDARY. THIS RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT IS GONNA START AROUND A RAND LANE AND GO TO THE CITY LIMIT BOUNDARY. WE'RE NOT JUST REBUILDING THE PAVEMENT THAT'S THERE, IT'S IN POOR CONDITION AND WE GET A LOT OF COMPLAINTS. IT'S TAKES A LOT OF TRAFFIC, PARTICULARLY A LOT OF TRAFFIC TO THE BASE. UM, WE'RE RECONSTRUCTING THE SECTION TO ITS ULTIMATE SECTION, IDENTIFIED OUR MASTERS THAT ARE THOROUGHFARE PLANT, SO IT'LL BE ADDED CAPACITY AS WELL AS A NEW STREET. THERE ARE THE PRO GENERAL PROJECT LIMITS FOR THAT NORTH CLIFF COUNTRY CLUB, ESTATES STREET REHABILITATION. SO THIS PROJECT IS REHABILITATING THE STREETS IN THE NORTH CLIFF COUNTRY CLUB ESTATES SUBDIVISION. THIS IS UP IN NORTH CLIFF OFF OF COUNTRY CLUB BOULEVARD. IT'S THE AREA OF THE KIND OF WESTERN END OF, UH, COUNTRY CLUB BOULEVARD. AND THOSE OTHER STREETS THERE, THEY'RE KIND OF POOR CONDITION. THIS PROJECT, YOU'LL HEAR ABOUT IT AGAIN AND THE WATER AND SEWER SECTION 'CAUSE IT, IT IS KIND OF BUNDLED WITH THE WATER AND SEWER LINE REPLACEMENT THAT ALSO NEEDS TO HAPPEN. THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR STREETS. IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. ANY. ALRIGHT, SO OUR NEXT SESSION SECTION IS PARKS AND LAUREN'S GONNA COME UP AND TALK ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU STEVE. I'M FUN, BUT I DON'T DO PUN JOKES. SORRY. UM, JUST WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE. UH, YOU'VE HEARD ME TALK ABOUT HILLTOP PARK IN THE PAST. UM, THAT PROJECT IS, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER ONE PROJECT WE HAVE ON OUR LIST, UM, FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS. CURRENTLY THE CITY ALREADY OWNS 22 ACRES IN THE AREA. WE ARE WORKING WITH THE HOAS TO ACQUIRE AN ADJACENT 23 ACRES FOR ABOUT A 45 ACRE, UM, COMMUNITY PARK. IT CURRENTLY ALREADY INCLUDES A POND WITH FISHING PIER, UM, ACCESSIBLE SIDEWALK LOOP THAT IS ALREADY OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND A PARKING LOT AND SOME SECURITY LIGHTING. ADDITIONAL PLANS, CALL FOR A RESTROOM, SOME MOUNTAIN BIKING TRAILS, A HILLTOP OVERLOOK, UH, PLAYGROUND INTERPRETIVE SIGNAGE. UM, JUST, YOU KNOW, SORT OF THE ICING ON THE CAKE THERE AT THAT PARK. SO THAT IS HILLTOP. THERE'S A MAP THERE FOR YOU SHOWING THIS. UH, ORANGE IS THE ACREAGE WE CURRENTLY ALREADY OWN. AND THE WHITE ADJACENT HERE ARE THE OTHER ACREAGES WE'RE TRYING TO ACQUIRE FROM THE HOAS. AND THEN COMMUNITY CIRCLE PARK DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S OUR, OUR OTHER BIG PROJECT THAT'S GONNA TAKE PLACE, UH, OVER HERE BEHIND THE COMPLEX. IT WAS A VISION OF PARKS BOARD, UM, FOR SEVERAL YEARS TO UTILIZE THAT SPACE TO ENHANCE THE AREA. UM, THE SKATE PARK HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT FOR A LONG TIME, UM, EXPANDING THAT TO, UM, FULFILL THE ORIGINAL DESIGN THAT WAS, UH, CREATED BY THE COMMUNITY MANY YEARS AGO. UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT ENHANCING THE DOG PARK, ADDING SOME TEEN ELEMENTS LIKE VOLLEYBALL, SAND VOLLEYBALL, COURT COMPLEX BASKETBALL COURTS, UM, A BOX HANGOUT AREA FOR TEENS. UH, WE GET A LOT OF TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, FROM THE HIGH SCHOOL HERE. AND [03:50:01] IT'S SORT OF A, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR TEENS IN THE AREA. WE PREFER TO BUILD SOMETHING WHERE THEY COME HERE AND LEAVE OUR COMMUNITY PLAY SCAPE ALONE. 'CAUSE THAT'S THE CURRENT HANGOUT, BUT IT'S AIMED FOR YOUNGER KIDS. SO WE'RE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING OVER HERE FOR THE OLDER KIDS. UM, THAT'S THE PROJECT THAT WE'VE, UH, TALKED WITH THE EDC ABOUT AND THEY'RE FUNDING THIS PROJECT. AND, AND THE OTHER THING THAT THIS PROJECT WILL DO IS ADD IN ALL OF THE PARKING, UM, FOR THE COMPLEX THAT HAS SORT OF BEEN VALUED, ENGINEERED OUT OVER THE YEARS. WHEN WE DID THE BALLPARK EXPANSION, WE DECIDED TO SHARE PARKING WITH THE COMPLEX. THAT'S BECOME AN ISSUE AS WE GROW, AS WE HAVE MEETINGS IN HERE. WE HAVE COURT, WE HAVE SOME AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER, WE HAVE SOME OF THE CIVIC CENTER, WE HAVE SOME AT THE BALLPARK. THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH PARKING. AND SO THAT PROJECT WILL WORK IN ALL THE REST OF THE PARKING, UM, BEHIND THE BALLPARK AND EXPAND WHAT'S CURRENTLY OVER NEAR THE SKATE PARK. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, SO CHIEF, YOU WANNA COME UP, GREG? SO NEXT WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO FACILITIES. THAT PAGE IS IN THE SLIDESHOW IS, UH, WE'RE GONNA START WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THEN WE'LL MOVE INTO YOURS. SO JIM, GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M HERE TO PROVIDE A QUICK LITTLE UPDATE ON FIRE STATION FOUR. UH, WE'VE MADE GOOD PROGRESS. UH, SITE PLAN HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE CITY FOR REVIEW. I'M SURE WE'LL BE GETTING COMMENTS BACK ON THAT VERY SOON. UH, THE PLANS AS A WHOLE ARE PRETTY WELL WRAPPED UP. WE HOPE TO GET THAT OUT TO WHERE EVERYONE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT 'EM VERY SOON. UH, WHAT IT WILL DO IN THE COMMUNITY IS VERY IMPORTANT AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO BE ABLE TO SERVICE THE OTHER SIDE OF 35 AS WELL AS THE MAIN PORTION OF THE RESIDENCE OF THE CITY ON THIS SIDE OF 35. WHEN IT'S COMPLETE, WE'RE STILL SHOOTING, UH, FOR LATE 2026, LATE DECEMBER OR SO. QUESTION. SO WHAT IS IT THAT YOU'RE BUILDING? FIRE STATION. I SET UP FIRE UPDATE ON FIRE STATION FOUR. IN WHAT AREA OF TOWN? IS THERE A MAP ON STEIN? NO, I DON'T HAVE A MAP HERE. YOU BROUGHT A MAP. ALRIGHT THEN THERE. THAT PIECE RIGHT THERE. ALL VERY GOOD. YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE FOR ME? NO, THERE YOU GO. QUESTION CHIEF. YES SIR. UM, FOR THE FIRE STATION FOUR, UH, HOW MANY FIREFIGHTERS, UH, NEED TO BE HIRED TO FULLY STAFF IT IN ORDER TO FULLY STAFF THE FIRE STATION WHILE HIRE A 12 ADDITIONAL? WE'VE ALREADY GOTTEN TO THE, TO SIX OF THOSE. UM, ONCE WE GOT TO THAT POINT, WE REALIZED THAT THE STATION WAS GONNA BE MOVED DOWN A LITTLE BIT AND THAT WOULD, THE CONSTRUCTION WOULD SLOW IT DOWN. THE NEED FOR THE FULL 12, UH, WE'RE GONNA PICK THAT BACK UP IN THIS COMING YEARS SINCE WE'RE BACK ON SCHEDULE FOR COMPLETION NEXT YEAR, WE'LL GET THREE THIS YEAR AND THREE NEXT YEAR, UNLESS WE GET THE GRANT THAT MR. WILLIAMS SPOKE OF EARLIER. AWESOME. THANK YOU CHIEF. YOU'RE WELCOME. I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION. I THINK I'M, I KNOW YOU, I KNOW YOU BOUGHT EXTRA LAND OUT THERE AND OUTSIDE OF IT BEING A BUFFER, IS THERE ANY OTHER PLANS FOR IT? I'M SORRY, I, THE, THE EXTRA LAND THAT YOU BOUGHT OUT THERE, UH, THAT ISN'T GONNA BE USED FOR THE FIRE STATION. ARE THERE ANY PLANS FOR IT OR JUST BEING A BUFFER? WELL, INITIALLY RIGHT NOW WE DON'T, WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED THAT FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE, IT IS A BUFFER BETWEEN EACH OF THE RESIDENCES AND THE BUSINESS TO THE REAR. UH, THEY HAVE COMMUNICATED TO US WONDERFULLY THAT THEY ASPIRE TO KEEP THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. SO WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM TO DO THAT. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM. I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THERE WERE OTHER PLANS. SURE. THANK YOU. TECHNICALLY SPEAKING, UH, SINCE IT WAS BOUGHT WITH BOND MONEY THAT WAS IN AN ELECTION FOR A FIRE STATION, IT'LL BE SOME SORT OF FIRES USE, UH, WHETHER THAT'S OPEN SPACE. SURE. LIKE IT'LL, LIKE, IT'LL LIKELY BE OPEN SPACE FOR THE FIRE FACILITY. OKAY. THANKS. THAT ALL. THANK YOU. SO YOU I DON'T THINK THAT, GO AHEAD. HMM. [03:55:04] WELL NEXT WE'RE GONNA HAVE DONISHA COME UP AND TALK ABOUT THESE GENERATOR REPLACEMENTS. WE'LL COME BACK TO JIM. WE SUPPOSED TO TALK. OKAY. IS THIS THE FIRST ONE? BUT YOU CAN TALK FROM YOUR LIST IF YOU WANT. OKAY. UM, GOOD AFTERNOON. SO FACILITIES HAS SEVERAL, UM, PROJECTS, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON. THE ONE THAT'S ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW IS THE COMMUNITY CENTER, UM, A GENERATOR FOR COMMUNITY CENTER. AND SO THE CITY HALL BUILDING HAS CURRENTLY REACHED CAPACITY ON SUPPLYING ELECTRICITY, UM, TO THE BUILDING. AND SOME OF THE ITEMS, UM, NEED TO BE BROUGHT UP TO CODE AND THEN THE GENERATOR IS AGED OUT AND PARTS ARE FOR REPAIR, ARE HARD TO COME BY. UM, SO THE VALUE IN THIS IS TO REPLACE WITH A MORE RELIABLE PROJECT OR GENERATOR, SORRY, UM, IN THE CASE OF LOSS OF POWER AND THEN INCREASE ELECTRICITY CAPACITY TO THE BUILDING, BRINGING PARTS OF THE SYSTEM UP TO CURRENT STANDARDS, AND THEN ALLOWING FOR ADDITIONAL OFFICE SPACE, UM, DOWN THE ROAD. OKAY. THE NEXT ONE IS, UM, A MASS COMMUNICATION PLAN, PHASE SIX. AND SO THIS PHASE OF THE COMMUNICATION PROJECT IS FOCUSED ON EXPANDING THE CITY'S NETWORK INFRASTRUCTURE AND CAMERA ACCESS AT THE PARKS AND LIFT STATIONS THROUGHOUT SHIRTS. UM, THIS EXPANSION IS A CRITICAL STEP IN SUPPORTING PUBLIC SAFETY. UM, IMPROVING OPERATIONAL OVERSIGHT AND STRENGTHENING COMMUNITY, UH, COMMUNICATIONS SYSTEM CITYWIDE. AND WE HAVE THE GENERATOR REPLACEMENT OVER AT PUBLIC SAFETY. UM, THEY'RE COMPLEX AND THIS GENERATOR IS CURRENTLY UNDERPOWERED FOR THE NEEDS OF THE, UM, CITY. IT'S TO IT, IT, IT TOO IS AGED AND, UM, IN NEED OF REPLACEMENT. AND AGAIN, THE VALUE AND REPLACING THE GENERATOR IS TO ALLOW CONTINUED OPERATION FOR OUR PUBLIC SAFETY, UM, STAFF WITH A MORE RELIABLE GENERATOR. THAT'S ALL I GOT. THANKS. AND I HAD CALLED THE CHIEF LOWRY UP HERE REAL QUICK. THERE'S A PROJECT THAT ACTUALLY IS, IT'LL ROUND OUT THIS YEAR, THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT ON THE LIST. BUT JUST TO GIVE 'EM TWO SECONDS TO EXPLAIN THE 78 PROJECT. SO WE HAVE TWO PROJECTS THAT ARE SHORT TERM FOR CIP. ONE OF THEM IS THE FM 78 LOCATION IN WHICH WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH OUR PARTNERS AT GUADALUPE COUNTY. AND WE'LL BE RUNNING SHORTLY TO YOU AT LEAST TO WORK THAT OUT, TO FINALIZE IT. BUT WITH THAT EFFORT, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IS TO GIVE US GROWTH ROOM FOR THE NEXT FIVE TO 10 YEARS FOR A LONG-TERM PROJECT FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING. SO WE HAVE OUTGROWN OUR CAPACITY AT THE CURRENT FACILITY. SO WE WOULD BE MOVING OUR CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS, OUR CRIME VICTIMS LIAISON AND OUR PROPERTY ROOM OUT TO THAT LOCATION. AND THEN IT'S A, THAT'S, UH, SCHEDULED, CURRENTLY BUDGETED AT $400,000. A COMPANION PROJECT FOR THAT IS ANOTHER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR A REMODELING AND A REFURBISHING OF OUR CURRENT FACILITIES WHERE THAT AREA IS VACATED SO WE CAN REPURPOSE THAT AREA. SO IT'S A TOTAL OF $500,000 TO PROJECTS. ANY QUESTIONS? YES. UH, I HAVE A QUESTION. CHIEF, WHEN, UH, THE REFURNISHING OF THE, OF THE BUILDING, HOW LONG WOULD THAT TAKE? DO YOU KNOW? I DO NOT KNOW THAT FOR SURE. SO WE CURRENTLY ARE STARTING A A, AN AGENDA ITEM AND A, UH, TIMELINE FOR US TO COMPLETE THE FM 78 AND REFURBISHING THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING. GOTCHA. OKAY. OKAY. NEXT WE WOULD HAVE, SO THAT'S THE TOTAL OF THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT CIP THAT'S THE $43.3 MILLION FOR NEXT YEAR. NOW, SHIFTING GEARS TO THE WATER AND SEWER, CIP, THAT IS A TOTAL OF $75.3 MILLION. AND I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THE WATER AND SEWER CIP COMES FROM A DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCE FROM THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT. CIP IT'S PRIMARILY FUNDED WITH DEBT FROM THE WATER [04:00:01] AND SEWER RATES THEMSELVES. OKAY. BUT ALSO IT HAS THINGS LIKE IMPACT FEES AND CASH CONTRIBUTIONS THAT, THAT MAKE UP THE, ALL THE FUNDING SOURCES FOR THE CIP. AND YOU CAN SEE THERE, WE HAVE $47 MILLION, 47.7 MILLION IN WATER PROJECTS, BUT THEN WE HAVE 27.6 IN SEWER. ONE THING I DO WANNA POINT OUT IN THE SEWER NUMBER, THERE'S $22 MILLION FOR A PROJECT TO EXPAND THE SOUTH CCMA PLANT. LIKELY THAT WILL BE, UH, FUNDED A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY. WE'RE JUST SHOWING IT ON HERE. IT, IT'LL LIKELY BE A SITUATION WHERE THE CCMA DOES IT THEMSELVES AND ISSUES THE DEBT AND WE JUST SIMPLY PAY THEM A RATE OR PAY THEM AN ANNUAL DEBT SERVICE AMOUNT LIKE WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST WITH THEM. THAT'S, THAT'S TYPICALLY HOW IT'S BEEN STRUCTURED AND WE WE'RE MORE LIKELY THAN NOT GONNA CONTINUE TO FALL. THAT MODEL. WE JUST HAVE IT IN HERE TO SHOW YOU THAT THERE'S A BIG PROJECT OUT THERE FOR SEWER. YOU CAN SEE IT IN THE MULTI-YEAR CIP IT, IT'S A SIGNIFICANT PROJECT, BUT WHAT IT DOES DO IS IT OPENS UP DEVELOPMENT FOR THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE CITY BECAUSE WE, WELL, THE SOUTH SAY BELOW, UH, SOUTH OF LOWER SINE WHERE THINGS WILL GRAVITY DOWN TO THAT SOUTH PLANT. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE NORTH PLANT. RIGHT NOW, A LOT OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S OFF LOWER SINE, INCLUDING SADDLEBROOK AND CARMEL AND SOME OTHERS, THAT IS ACTUALLY BEING LIFTED BACK TO THE NORTH PLANT. SO THIS IS TO ADD THAT CAPACITY AND IT, AND IT OPENS UP REALLY FOR DEVELOPMENT ALMOST THE, WELL, THE ENTIRETY OF THAT SOUTHERN AREA. SO IT'S A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT AND EXPANSION, BUT WE DO NEED IT TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO DEVELOP THE SOUTH PART OF SHIRTS. SO WATER, I WILL CLICK ON THE WATER, THE WATER CIP, AND OPEN THAT LINK. AND SO WE'VE GOT THE WATER PROJECTS AND WHO'S UP FIRST? KATHY, ARE YOU DOING THESE? ALL RIGHT, THANKS STEVE. ALL RIGHT, SO LET'S DIVE INTO THE FUN. UH, SO THE CORBETT GROUND STORAGE TANK IS A PROJECT THAT'S BEEN ONGOING. IT IS A 3 MILLION GALLON GROUND STORAGE TANK THAT IS, UH, NEXT TO THE ELEVATED STORAGE TANK THAT WAS BUILT AT THE END OF RAY CORBETT DRIVE, UM, TO PROVIDE STORAGE FOR WATER FOR THE SOUTHERN SHIRTS. AND HERE IS THE LOCATION. YOU CAN SEE, UH, CORBETT UP HERE, CORBETT MIDDLE SCHOOL, AND THIS IS RAY CORBITT DRIVE. THERE'S THE LOCATION OF THE STORAGE TANK, UH, EAST LIVE OAK AND NORTH CLIFF ELEVATED TANK, UH, PIPING REHABILITATION, AND WHERE SINE GROUND STORAGE TANK PIPE RE REHABILITATION. UM, AND ADDITIONALLY, WE'RE GONNA BE REPAINTING THOSE TWO TANKS AND THE, UM, NORTH CLIFF TANK. UH, NEXT WE HAVE, UH, WEARS LOWERS AND GREAT TOWN TO FILE LOOP LINES. WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING ON EASEMENT ACQUISITION FOR THESE TWO LINES THAT CREATE LOOPS IN, UH, THE SYSTEMS IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE CITY. CHURCHS PARKWAY, 16 INCH TRANSMISSION LINE REPLACEMENT. THIS IS ABOUT 1200 LINEAR FEET OF 16 INCH TRANSMISSION, MAINE JUST UP HERE ON SHEZ PARKWAY. UM, IT'S, UH, AGING AND, UH, BRAKES OCCUR REGULARLY. YOU SEE PUBLIC WORKS OUT THERE FIXING IT. SO WE'RE GOING TO, UH, REPLACE IT. THERE'S ITS LOCATION, BASICALLY FROM MA WAY TO JUST PASS MAKI IH 35 NEXT NORTH UTILITY RELOCATIONS. THIS IS TO, UH, MOVE OUR UTILITIES OUT OF THE WAY OF THE NEXT SECTION OF I TEXT IH 35. NEXT, IT'S FULLY REIMBURSABLE FROM T BUT WE DO NEED TO CONTRACT AND FRONT THE, THE MONEY TO RELOCATE THOSE UTILITIES, SCENIC HILLS WATER AND WASTEWATER MAIN REPLACEMENT. UH, THESE ARE AGING SIX INCH, WHICH IS, UM, SUBSTANDARD SIZE, UH, AND EIGHT INCH WATER DISTRIBUTION MEANS THROUGH THAT SUBDIVISION, WHICH IS AGAIN, UP IN THE NORTH CLIFF AREA, OFF COUNTRY CLUB BOULEVARD, 3 0 0 9, UH, 18 INCH TRANSMISSION MAINE. THIS IS 3 0 0 9 NORTH OF 35. UH, THERE'S SOME, MOST OF THIS LINE IS OLD ASBESTOS CEMENT PIPING. A LOT OF THE VALVES AREN'T OPERABLE AND IT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED. IT'S QUITE, UH, IT'LL BE A VERY DIFFICULT PROJECT. IT'S IN A VERY DEVELOPED AREA OF TOWN. [04:05:03] UH, A 3 MILLION GALLON GROUND STORAGE TANK, UH, AS A COMPANION TO THE, UM, 35 ELEVATED TANK FOR PROVIDING ADDITIONAL WATER STORAGE CAPACITY IN THE NORTHERN PART OF SHIRTZ. THIS LOCATION IS, UH, THIS IS OLD WIER STEIN ROAD. THIS IS THE FREEWAY MANOR AREA AND 35 MOONLIGHT MEADOW DRIVE AND LOST MEADOW DRIVE. UH, NOT IN THE CITY LIMITS, BUT IT IS OUR WATER SYSTEM CURRENTLY, UH, FOUR INCH TO EIGHT INCH WATER LINES. THEY NEED TO BE U UPGRADED TO ALL EIGHT INCH LINES, AND WE NEED TO CREATE SOME LOOPS. UM, THOSE ARE CURRENTLY DEAD END LINES, WHICH IS, IS NOT, UH, NOT A GOOD SITUATION FOR A WATER UTILITY. SO WE'LL LOOP THOSE LINES AND BRING THEM UP TO STANDARD. UH, ALSO REPLACEMENT OF THE AGING SIX INCH AND EIGHT INCH WATER LINES IN THE GREEN SHIRE SUBDIVISION. THOSE, UH, EXPERIENCED QUITE A FEW, UH, LEAKS AND PROBLEMS ALSO. SO WE'RE GONNA GET NEW WATER LINES IN THERE THAT THAT SHOULD BE MORE RELIABLE. NORTH CLIFF COUNTRY CLUB ESTATES, JOHN MENTIONED THIS, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO REPLACE THE WATER AND SEWER LINES AND THEN RESURFACE THE STREETS AND THE I 35 DEDICATED WATER TRANSMISSION MAINE. THIS IS A, A VERY LONG-TERM PROJECT, UH, AND WE CONTINUE TO, UH, CHIP AWAY AT ACQUIRING EASEMENT FOR THIS, UH, TRANSMISSION MAIN THAT RUNS FROM EAST LIVE OAK UP TO THE 35 WATER TANK. THE LAST IS BUBBLING SPRINGS WATERLINE REPLACEMENT. THIS IS A SIX INCH WATER MAIN, UH, THAT RUNS FROM THE END OF RIVER ROAD TO ACROSS THE SLO CREEK. UH, IT DOES EXPERIENCE LEAKS QUITE A BIT. SO PUBLIC WORKS HAS A LOT OF MAINTENANCE TO DO, AND IT IS A SIX INCH LINE. IT REALLY NEEDS TO BE A 12 INCH LINE FOR PROPER OPERATION OF THE SYSTEM. SO THAT IS IT FOR THE WATER PROJECTS. UH, WE HAVE QUITE A, A BIT LESS, UH, NUMBER OF PROJECTS FOR WASTEWATER, SO I'LL GO THROUGH THEM REALLY QUICKLY. WE ARE STILL FINISHING UP OUR WOMAN HOLLERING CREEK WASTEWATER INTERCEPTOR MAIN AND LIFT STATION. IT IS OPERATIONAL NOW, BUT WE STILL HAVE, UH, PUNCH LIST WORK TO, TO FINISH THAT LINE OUT. UH, CCMA SOUTH PLAN EXPANSION, STEVE ALREADY MENTIONED THAT. SO WE'VE GOT SORT OF A, A PLACEHOLDER FUNDING IN HERE FOR, UM, STARTING THAT PLANT. AND THE LOCATION AGAIN IS, UH, IH 10. THIS IS TRAINER HALE ROAD, AND THE PLANT SITS, SITS RIGHT ABOUT HERE, UH, DECOMMISSIONED CORBIT LIFT STATION. THAT WON'T BE DECOMMISSIONED FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS YET, BUT THERE ARE SOME INTERIM STEPS THAT WE NEED TO TAKE BEFORE IT CAN BE DECOMMISSIONED. UM, ACTUALLY APOLOGIES, THIS ISN'T EXACTLY THE RIGHT LOCATION. UH, THIS IS RHINE VALLEY AND THE LOCATION OF THIS LIFT STATION IS, IS OVER IN RHINE VALLEY, UH, SLO WEST WASTEWATER TRUNK MAIN. THIS IS SIMILAR TO THE WOMAN HOLLERING TRUNK MAINE, BUT IT DOES NOT INCLUDE A LIFT STATION. AND IT WILL SERVE, UH, THE PORTION OF SOUTHERN SHIRTS CLOSER TO THE SLO CREEK. YOU CAN SEE THIS. AND AGAIN, UM, THIS AND THAT EXPANSION OF THE CILLO CREEK TREATMENT PLANT IS BASICALLY TO CATCH UP TO THE MASSIVE AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT THAT IS, IS, UH, PUSHING TO, TO KEEP MOVING IN SOUTHERN SHIRTS. THE BELL NORTH DRIVE GRAVITY SEWER MAIN CONSTRUCTION, UH, ONE OF THE SMALLER PROJECTS. IT'S, UH, WE SHOULD BE GETTING STARTED ON CONSTRUCTION VERY SOON. IT'S, UM, TO TAKE THESE BUSINESSES ON BELL NORTH, THEY HAVE IT CURRENTLY, PRIVATE INDIVIDUAL GRINDER PUMPS. UH, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE FORCING FLOW TO 3 0 0 9. WE'RE GONNA TAKE THEM OFF, BUILD A GRAVITY LINE TO BRING THAT OVER TO DOOR LANE, STEIN ROAD EIGHT INCH GRAVITY LINE. UH, JUST A SMALL PORTION OF THIS LINE'S GOING TO BE, UH, WE'RE PARTNERING WITH A DEVELOPER WHO'S WORKING ON, UH, A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION HERE ALONG STEIN ROAD, OFF SHIRTS, PARKWAY. AND SO JUST A SHORT PORTION OF THAT WILL BE CONSTRUCTED AT THIS TIME. AND LAST ONE IS A R LANE GRAVITY LINE. UH, THIS IS TO, TO GET SOME FOLKS OVER HERE OFF OF RANDALL LANE ONTO PUBLIC SEWER. AND WE'RE NOT GONNA BE DOING THE ENTIRE PROJECT THIS FISCAL [04:10:01] YEAR, BUT IT DOES CROSS OR SE ROAD. SO WE DO WANT TO TRY TO PUT THAT PORTION OF THE LINE, AT LEAST IN BEFORE RECONSTRUCTION OF LOWER SEEKING ROAD. AND THAT'S IT FOR WASTEWATER. STEVE, DO WE HAVE ANOTHER PRESENTATION OR DO WE NEED, WE HAVE, WE HAVE JUST REALLY, IT'S ONE PROJECT EFFECTIVELY ON THE ONE MORE PROJECT. YES, SIR. OKAY. LEMME FIND IT. SO IN THE DRAINAGE FUND, AND THIS WOULD BE THE LAST ONE, MAYOR FOR THE CIP, AND THEN WE WILL TAKE A BREAK AFTER THIS ONE, THEN. YES, SIR. PROBABLY A GOOD TIME TO TAKE A BREAK. SO, LARRY, TWO PROJECTS, EXCUSE ME. THAT'S CORRECT. JUST, UH, TWO PROJECTS, UH, THIS YEAR WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS ON THE DRAINER, CIP, UH, WENDY SWAN IS, UH, WENDY SWAN PARK ON CHERRY TREE UP IN THE NORTH CLIFF AREA. UH, SO THERE'S A, UH, EXISTING, UH, HUGE CHANNEL THERE WITH A LARGER RETAINING WALL, UH, THAT'S BEEN LEANING FOR SOME TIME, UH, AS PLANNED TO PUT THAT, UH, HOPEFULLY UNDERGROUND AND PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE EASE SPACE AND GET, GET AWAY FROM THAT BIG LARGE RETAINING WALL AT THE BACK OF THE PARK LANE. AND, UH, ALSO IS THE F 1518 CITY PARK UNDERGROUND DRAINAGE UPGRADE. UH, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S JUST A, A LITTLE BIT PROGRAMMED FOR THIS YEAR. AND, AND THE REASON THAT IS, IS BECAUSE THERE'S A, THERE'S A NUMBER OF OTHER UTILITY PROJECTS IN THE AREA, AND SO, UH, WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANT TO, UM, GET TOO FAR DOWN THE ROAD AND AFFECT THOSE OTHER PROJECTS AS WELL AS THIS FUTURE PROJECT, RIGHT, RIGHT NEXT TO THE S OAK. THERE'S A LOT OF DRAINS THAT GOES THROUGH THAT AREA. UH, SO WE JUST NEED TO ESTABLISH SOME CONTROLS WITH THOSE OTHER UTILITIES, UH, SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD, UH, UH, APPROPRIATELY WITH ALL OF THE PROJECTS IN THE AREA AS WE MOVE FARTHER INTO THE CIP. SO, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT CONCLUDES OUR DISCUSSION ON THE CIP. OKAY. UNLESS THERE ARE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS. AND, AND ALSO THIS IS INTENDED IF AS YOU GUYS LOOK AT THE, THE FUTURE PLANS, YOU SEE SOMETHING OUT IN THE FUTURE AND YOU SAY, HEY, THIS IS REALLY A PRIORITY OF MINE. YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT GETS DISCUSSED. THIS IS KIND OF DURING THIS PROCESS, IS THE TIME TO DO THAT. AND THIS IS LIKE THE OPERATING BUDGET. IT'S THE RECOMMENDED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM FROM THE STAFF. BUT LIKE I SAID, THERE COULD BE A BURNING PROJECT OUT THERE THAT THE COUNCIL WANTS DONE, AND WE JUST MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO THE CIP. SO JUST, JUST BEAR THAT IN MIND AS WELL. OKAY. BUT THAT'S ALL MAYOR. ALRIGHT, LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE A 15 MINUTE BREAK. TIME IS, UH, 1 38. WE, WE'LL RECONVENE AROUND ONE 50. WE'RE RECESSING THE MEETING. RECESSING THE MEETING RECESS. WE'LL COME BACK. ALRIGHT. THE TIME IS NOW 1 52. WE, UH, RECONVENE AFTER OUR RECESS AND WE WILL WRAP IT UP WITH OUR NEXT TOPIC. THANK [ 3. Discussion and direction regarding operations of the Schertz Soccer Complex and Schertz Area Senior Center (S.Gonzalez/L.Shrum)] YOU, MAYOR. THERE ARE TWO MORE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. ONE IS THE SHIRT SOCCER COMPLEX, THE OTHER IS THE SENIOR CENTER. LAUREN'S GONNA DO THE PRESENTATION ON BOTH OF THOSE. SHE'S GONNA GO INTO QUITE A BIT OF DETAIL AND COVER A LOT OF GROUND. I WILL PREFACE THIS WITH SAYING THIS HAS BEEN AN ONGOING CONVERSATION AMONG STAFF AND THE PARKS BOARD DOES COME WITH A PARKS BOARD RECOMMENDATION FOR BOTH OF THESE AND, UH, IN, IN THE AFFIRMATIVE OF WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED. BUT WE ARE MAKING A PRESENTATION TO HAVE ESSENTIALLY A, A CHANGE IN THE WAY WE OPERATE BOTH OF THESE, UM, FACILITIES. SO I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO LAUREN. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY, SO I WON'T GO INTO TOO MUCH DETAIL. BUT, UM, YEAH. SO ESSENTIALLY WE ARE PROPOSING, UH, CHANGING HOW WE OPERATE OUR SOCCER COMPLEX FACILITY. AND JUST A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T BEEN ON COUNCIL FOR, FOR A LONG TIME. WE HAVE THIS HISTORY OF OPERATING SOME OF OUR FACILITIES THROUGH PUBLIC FACILITY LICENSE AGREEMENT. YEARS AGO, WE BONDED A LOT OF QUALITY OF LIFE PROJECTS, THE RECREATION CENTER, AQUATICS CENTERS, SOCCER COMPLEX, AND WE DIDN'T HAVE A BIG STAFF TO BE ABLE TO OPERATE THOSE FACILITIES. SO WE TURNED TO COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS THROUGH THESE, THROUGH THESE CONTRACTS. UM, AS WE'VE GROWN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE HIRED MORE RECREATION STAFF, ADDED CAPACITY TO THE DEPARTMENT, HAD TIME TO GO THROUGH AND, AND, UM, SORT OF AUDIT OUR, OUR LICENSE AGREEMENTS TO SEE, YOU KNOW, IS THIS REALLY STILL A FIT FOR SHIRTS? IS THIS HOW WE WANNA, HOW TO OPERATE [04:15:01] OUR, UM, FACILITIES? AND, AND THROUGH THAT PROCESS, WE IDENTIFIED SOME ISSUES. AND LIKE STEVE SAID, IT'S BEEN A LONG CONVERSATION. UM, I'VE BEEN HERE NINE YEARS. UM, WE'VE ALWAYS SORT OF HAD ISSUES OVER THE YEARS WITH A LOT OF THESE AGREEMENTS, UH, BUT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO WORK THROUGH 'EM. I THINK IT'S GETTING TO THE POINT NOW WHERE WE'RE JUST RECOMMENDING A CHANGE, OF COURSE. UM, SO AGAIN, JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SOCCER COMPLEX. YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD IT SINCE 2008. UM, AGAIN, WE DIDN'T HAVE A BIG TEAM BACK THEN. WE ENTERED INTO THE AGREEMENT WITH CISA. WE CREATED A, A SHIRT, YOUTH SOCCER ALLIANCE. SO IT'S, IT'S THREE DIFFERENT SOCCER LEAGUES AND THE CITY IN THIS ALLIANCE TOGETHER. WE DID A RENOVATION IN 2013. AT THAT TIME, A MEMBER OF THE ALLIANCE CSAT LEFT. AND THEN WHEN WE OPENED BACK UP IN 2015 WITH THE NEW FIELDS, THE YMCA JOINED THAT ALLIANCE. AND SO IT'S CURRENTLY, UM, THE YMCA RESA AND THE LIONS FOOTBALL CLUB, PLUS THE CITY IN THIS ALLIANCE THAT IS CHARGED WITH MANAGING THE COMPLEX. SO AS WE AGAIN LOOKED AT THE, THE AGREEMENT AND HAVE BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, UM, AGAIN, ANALYZING THE AGREEMENT AND TRYING TO GET THE ALLIANCE SORT OF BACK ON TRACK. WE'VE NOTICED CONCERNS, UM, IN TERMS OF OPERATIONS. YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME BUILDING MAINTENANCE, DEFERRED DEFERRED MAINTENANCE. AGAIN, IT'S BEEN 10 YEARS SINCE WE HAD OPENED UP THE, UM, NEW COMPLEX. SO THINGS START TO BREAK DOWN. THINGS START TO LOOK NOT SO GREAT. AND THE ALLIANCE WASN'T REALLY KEEPING UP WITH MAINTENANCE. UM, TURF MANAGEMENT, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF ISSUES WITH TURF. UM, WE DO HAVE SOME ISSUES WITH, UM, WATER AVAILABILITY, BUT EVEN SO, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF WEED CONTENT OUT THERE. WE HAVEN'T REALLY DEEP THATCHED, WE HAVEN'T REALLY AERATED, WE HAVEN'T REALLY DONE THE TURF MANAGEMENT TO THE LEVEL THAT PEOPLE ARE NOW EXPECTING IN THESE, THESE TYPE OF SOCCER COMPLEXES. AND THEN IRRIGATION MANAGEMENT. IT'S BEEN A STRUGGLE. IT'S A CONSTANT STRUGGLE. IT'S A VERY SPECIFIC, UH, TRADE TO LEARN. AND THE ALLIANCE HAS BEEN RELYING ON CONTRACTORS TO DO THE WORK, UM, AND JUST HAVE BEEN STRUGGLING TO MAINTAIN THAT IRRIGATION SYSTEM, WHICH IS COMPLEX WITH THAT MANY FIELDS. ADMINISTRATIVELY, THE ALLIANCE, THERE'S BEEN SOME CONCERNS ABOUT FINANCIAL SUSTAINABILITY. UM, WE'VE ALWAYS STRUGGLED WITH THAT. AGAIN, THE NINE YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN HERE, HOW ARE WE GONNA PAY FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS? UM, HOW ARE WE GONNA BE ABLE TO MANAGE THIS COMPLEX? AND SO THEY STILL HAVE BEEN STRUGGLING WITH THAT. UM, AND, AND WE HAD THAT QUESTION WHEN WE, THE EDC DID THE INVESTMENT IN THE LIGHTS, IS THE ALLIANCE CAPABLE OF ACTUALLY PAYING THE INCREASED ENERGY BILLS? SO WE WENT THROUGH AND HAVE BEEN REALLY WORKING WITH THEM TO PROJECT REVENUES TO SEE IF WE CAN EVEN PAY THE BILLS. UM, THERE'S SOME LEGAL AND COMPLIANCE ISSUES. THERE HAD BEEN INSURANCE LAPSES WITH THE ALLIANCE, UM, ISSUES, YOU KNOW, ABOUT PAYMENTS AND, YOU KNOW, ARE WE FOLLOWING BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES WHEN IT COMES TO TRACKING PAYMENTS AND INVOICING AND JUST, YOU KNOW, TRACKING YOUR MONEY. UM, ORGANIZATION STRUCTURE. ULTIMATELY THE ALLIANCE HAS ALWAYS FUNCTIONED, BUT NOT REALLY WELL. IT'S JUST BEEN A SORT OF A DISJOINTED ORGANIZATION OF COMPETITORS TRYING TO MAKE THIS THING WORK. AND OVER THE YEARS WE'VE HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT INEQUITABLE ACCESS. YOU KNOW, THEY'VE ONLY WANTED TO LET IN WHO THEY WANTED TO LET IN TO RESERVE FIELDS. AND, UM, THERE'S JUST A HIGHER DEMAND. WE CONTINUE TO HAVE DEMAND. WE'VE HEARD FROM SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS ABOUT WHY ARE THESE FACILITIES ALWAYS LOCKED UP? AND WE'RE NOT ALLOWING MORE OF THE PUBLIC TO COME IN. MORE OF THE LEAGUES. THERE'S ALWAYS NEW LEAGUES BEING CREATED. MORE AND MORE PEOPLE WANNA USE THEM, INCLUDING ADDITIONAL SPORTS, FLAG FOOTBALL, LACROSSE. ALL THESE THINGS ARE GROWING. AND SO WE WANNA BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THEM ALL IF WE CAN. JUST A COUPLE OF PICTURES OF SOME MAINTENANCE. AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THE ALLIANCE, UM, HAS HAD TROUBLE WITH MAINTENANCE, TRAIL MANAGEMENT, UM, EQUIPMENT KIND OF EVERYWHERE. A LOT OF PUBLIC HAZARDS. THINGS THAT WE WOULD NORMALLY TAKE A LOT OF CARE TO MAKE SURE WEREN'T TRIPPING HAZARDS OR IN THE WAY DURING AN EVENT. THEY JUST SORT OF AREN'T THINKING OF THOSE THINGS NECESSARILY. GENERAL PAINTING. AND SO THE LEFT IS BEFORE, AND THE RIGHTS AFTER CITY STAFF, UH, WENT AHEAD AND STEPPED IN AND INVESTED ABOUT 25,000 THIS YEAR ON SOME DEFERRED MAINTENANCE TO SPRUCE IT UP, TO ACCOMPANY THE, THE LIGHT INVESTMENT. AND WHEN WE HAD OUR GRAND OPENING, EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, LOOKED NEW AND SPRUCED UP THE EPOXY FLOORS IN THE BATHROOM, REPAINTING EVERYTHING, DISREPAIR, UM, FIXTURES, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THERE'S A COUPLE IMAGES OF THE, THE LEFT IS BEFORE AND THE RIGHT IS AFTER. SO AGAIN, WE THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT TIME TO ADJUST. WE THINK IT'S TIME TO MAKE A CHANGE WITH HOW WE OPERATE IT. WE HAVE INVESTED QUITE A BIT TO THIS FACILITY. I'LL SHOW YOU HERE IN A MINUTE, THE BUDGET, IT'S, IT'S ABOUT 2 MILLION IN INVESTMENTS. UM, WE WANT TO HAVE AN ENHANCED FACILITY MAINTENANCE. I THINK, AGAIN, COUNCIL HAS SAID WE WANT A GOLD STANDARD. WE WANT MORE. WE WANT IRRIGATED PARKS, RIGHT? WE WANT ALL THESE THINGS. UM, WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE, SO WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO RAISE THE BAR ON FACILITY MAINTENANCE, MAINTENANCE. WE WANNA HAVE MORE EQUITABLE ACCESS. WE WANNA BE ABLE TO LET MORE PEOPLE IN IF WE CAN. AND WE WANNA HAVE INCREASED CAPACITY [04:20:01] AND PROGRAMMING. THE LIGHTS ADD A LOT OF CAPACITY. WE WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT. SO ULTIMATELY, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS ARE GONNA BE HAVE CITY OPERATE THE FACILITY. WE'RE A NEUTRAL PARTY. WE ARE GOING TO HIRE AN ATHLETIC COORDINATOR AS OUR PROPOSAL TO MANAGE FIELD UTILIZATION. SO, AND THIS COORDINATOR IS OFFSET BY THE REVENUES THAT WOULD COME IN FOR FIELD RENTALS. UM, WE WANT TO COMPETITIVELY BID OUT FIELD MAINTENANCE OPERATIONS. CURRENTLY, THE ALLIANCE ISN'T, AGAIN, THAT'S BACK TO SORT OF BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES. THEY'RE NOT REVIEWING CONTRACTS ON A REGULAR BASIS. THEY'RE NOT GOING OUT TO BID. UM, THEY'VE BEEN STICKING WITH THE SAME FOLKS. THESE CONTRACTS HAVE SORT OF BEEN IN PERPETUITY, WHICH ANYBODY YOU KNOW, WHO'S IN BUSINESS KNOWS THIS IS NOT PROBABLY THE BEST. UM, WE WANNA COMPETITIVELY, COMPETITIVELY BID OUT CONCESSIONAIRE OPERATIONS. WE THINK THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE, UM, MORE REVENUE, UM, FROM CONCESSIONS. AND SO WE'RE PROPOSING MOVING TO A RECOGNIZED SPORTS ASSOCIATION TYPE CRITERIA. SO BASICALLY THE ALLIANCE WOULD BE DISBANDED, BUT THE MEMBERS WOULD BECOME THESE RECOGNIZED SPORTS GROUPS. AND WE WOULD, THEY WOULD HAVE PRIORITY USE STILL. THEY, THEY'VE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME. THEY WOULD HAVE PRIORITY SPACE. THEY'D WORK DIRECTLY WITH THE ATHLETIC COORDINATOR TO, UM, CARVE OUT THEIR, THEIR TIME ON THE SCHEDULE. AND THEN THE SOCCER ASSOCIATIONS WOULD CONTINUE TO MANAGE THEIR PROGRAMS. THEY KNOW SOCCER PEOPLE WOULD STILL SIGN UP THEIR KIDS WITH THE INDIVIDUAL SOCCER ASSOCIATIONS. THE CITY IS NOT INTERESTED IN RUNNING THE SOCCER LEAGUES. WE'RE ONLY INTERESTED IN, IN RUNNING THE MAINTENANCE, UM, OF THE FACILITY. AND THE FIELD UTILIZATION. AGAIN, WHO'S, WHO HAS WHAT TIME BLOCKS AND WHERE, AGAIN, IN, IN ORDER TO OPEN IT UP TO OTHERS. SO AGAIN, SOME BENEFITS TO THE TRANSITION. WE CAN CONTINUE TO INVEST IN THE FACILITY TO MEET RESIDENT STANDARDS. FAIR AND TRANSPARENT ACCESS FOR ALL USERS. AGAIN, I GET THAT COMPLAINT A LOT. WHY CAN'T WE GET IN THERE? THEY'RE LOCKING IT UP. IT'S NOT FAIR. WE'RE TRYING TO BE MORE TRANSPARENT ABOUT WHO USES IT. ADDITIONAL CAPACITY FOR CITY LED REC PROGRAMS AND EVENTS. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE CROSS CAMPS, WE HAVE CHEER CAMPS, WE HAVE FLAG FOOTBALL CAMPS IN THE SUMMER. WE WANNA KEEP DOING THOSE KIND OF A THING THAT COULD BE COMPLEMENTING THE SOCCER THAT'S ALREADY OCCURRING OUT THERE. WE WANNA STREAMLINE OPERATIONS THROUGH TECHNOLOGY. OUR NEW SOFTWARE SYSTEM AND THE NEW LIGHTING SYSTEM CAN INTEGRATE. SO WHEN YOU RESERVE, UH, A LEAGUE WILL RESERVE, YOU KNOW, FOUR OR FIVE HOURS OF TIME, THE LIGHTS ARE AUTOMATICALLY TIMED WITH THAT RESERVATION. JUST BY CLICK OF THE BUTTON IN THE SOFTWARE ELIMINATES DUPLICATION. CURRENTLY THE LEAGUE PAYS INSURANCE. THE ALLIANCE HAS INSURANCE, THE CITY HAS INSURANCE. WE HAVE OUR OWN WEBSITES SCHEDULES. IT'S JUST TRYING TO STREAMLINE AND ELIMINATE DUPLICATION OF EFFORT. AND THEN AGAIN, THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE CITY AND THESE LOCAL LEAGUES ARE REMAINING. WE WANT EVERYONE TO STILL STAY. WE WANT EVERYONE TO PLAY. WE JUST WANNA ADD MORE CAPACITY. HERE'S THE BUDGET. UM, THE, THE FIRST COLUMN HERE SHOWS HOW IT IS CURRENTLY. THE CITY PAYS SOME STUFF AND THE SISA ALLIANCE PAYS SOME THINGS. SO, AND AT THE TOP YOU CAN SEE THE IMPROVEMENTS. WE'VE MADE, AGAIN, ABOUT 2 MILLION IN CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS BETWEEN THE LIGHTING, THE WELL PROJECT, WE'RE STILL TRYING TO GET UNDERWAY. IRRIGATION STORAGE AND PUMPS. AND THEN THOSE, THAT 25,000 IN DEFERRED MAINTENANCE. AND THEN THERE'S THE DEBT SERVICE FOR THE COMPLEX THAT THE RESIDENTS ARE PAYING TO SUPPORT. THE, THAT COMPLEX, THE CONSTRUCTION OF IT. AND THEN ON THE RIGHT IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. IT'S JUST, AGAIN, SHIFTING EVERYTHING THAT THE ALLIANCE WAS DOING. THE CITY, UH, NOW IS COLLECTING THE REVENUE FOR THE FIELD RENTALS. AND IT'S ALL JUST BEING COMBINED INTO ONE. THE REVENUES ARE OFFSETTING THE COORDINATOR POSITION, COVERING ALL THE MAINTENANCE, COVERING A ONE-TIME PURCHASE OF A MARKING FIELD ROBOT. SO IT'LL AUTOMATE ALL THE FIELD PAINTING. AND WE STILL THINK WE CAN NET, UM, ABOUT 32,000 WITH THIS NEW MODEL. WE DID HAVE A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS WITH THE PARKS BOARD. TWO MEETINGS JUNE AND JULY, AT LEAST TWO HOURS BOTH TIMES. SO A LOT OF CONVERSATION, OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF PEOPLE INVOLVED. YOU KNOW, THESE ARE COMMUNITY PARTNERS. THESE FOLKS HAVE BEEN VOLUNTEERING THEIR TIME. THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, PASSION AND EMOTION AND THAT'S GREAT. BUT AGAIN, I THINK THE PARKS BOARD ECHOED SOME OF STAFF'S CONCERNS. SO ISSA AT THE UM, PARKS BOARD MEETING DID BRING A PROPOSAL TO TRY TO OPERATE INDEPENDENTLY. UM, AND I THINK THEY'RE GONNA COME TO COUNCIL AND THEN PRESENT IT TO YOU PROBABLY NEXT WEEK OR THE WEEK AFTER. SO JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT. BUT I THINK, UM, AGAIN, PARKS BOARD STILL HAD CONCERNS ABOUT EQUITY AND HOW GRSA WOULD PRIORITIZE FIELD USE. UM, THEY HAD CONCERNS ABOUT CONTRACTS WITH GRSA BOARD MEMBERS AND THEIR, AND STAFF AND SPOUSES GETTING CONTRACTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WHICH IS WHAT'S OCCURRING NOW. UM, THEY HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THE ABILITY TO MAINTAIN THE FACILITY. EVERYONE AGREED. GRSA [04:25:01] KNOWS SOCCER. THAT WAS A POSITIVE. THE LIONS KNOW SOCCER, GRSA KNOWS SOCCER. UM, BUT THE LEAGUES ARE GONNA CONTINUE TO MANAGE THEIR PROGRAM. SO NO ONE DISAGREED THERE. I THINK PARKS BOARD, THE CONSENSUS WAS CITY STAFF KNOWS MAINTENANCE, THEY KNOW IRRIGATION AND TURF MANAGEMENT AND THEY FELT LIKE THE TWO SHOULD BE SEPARATE. THEY LIKED THE IDEA OF THE CITY ATHLETIC COORDINATOR BEING THE NEUTRAL PARTY. AND AGAIN, THE BOARD ECHOED A LOT OF THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE FINANCIAL SUSTAINABILITY, UM, OF GRACE EVEN BEING ABLE TO OPERATE IT. UM, THEY STILL WANNA PAY PHASE IN PAYING FOR UTILITIES. 'CAUSE I THINK THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO COVER THE COST UPFRONT. AND I THINK STAFF ALSO NOTED IN THAT MEETING THAT, UM, THE PROPOSAL, THE ESTIMATED EXPENSES THAT GRACEVILLE LAYS OUT OR ARE LESS THAN CURRENTLY WHAT CISA HAS BUDGETED AND LESS THAN THE CITY, BOTH REVENUES AND EXPENSES. SO THERE THE NUMBERS ARE NOT QUITE JIV THERE. SO WE HAVE CONCERNS THERE. ULTIMATELY, THE BOARD DID TAKE A VOTE. THEY MOTIONED, UH, TO DISSOLVE THE SISA ALLIANCE IN AGREEMENT. THERE WAS FIVE AYES AND ONE NAY. THE ONE NAY IS THE CURRENT PRESIDENT OF RESA. UM, AND THEN THE BOARD DID A SECOND MOTION TO RECOMMEND CITY OPERATIONS OF THE SOCCER COMPLEX, HIRE THE ATHLETIC COORDINATOR. THEY DIDN'T STOP THERE THOUGH. THE MOTION WAS TO ADD ADDITIONAL STAFF. THEY FELT LIKE WE NEEDED MAYBE ANOTHER ONE, A COORDINATOR OR A PART-TIME ROLE. AND WE HAD SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT WHERE WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO SHIFT SOME OF THE SEASONAL FOLKS THAT WE HAVE WORKING ON SUMMER CAMPS AND THINGS OVER MAYBE TO SOCCER TO HELP SUPPLEMENT. BUT ULTIMATELY THEY WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND LET YOU GUYS KNOW THEY WANTED PARKS TO HAVE MORE STAFF. SO THAT WAS THE MOTION. UM, FOUR EYES, TWO NAY. ONE OF THE NAYS WAS OUR PARKS BOARD, VICE CHAIR BILL BOSCH. UM, HE ONLY VOTED NAY BECAUSE HE THOUGHT WE COULD DO IT WITH THE ONE ATHLETIC COORDINATOR. SO, AND HE WANTED ME TO POINT THAT OUT. SO THOSE ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM PARKS BOARD. UM, AND THAT'S AGAIN WHY STAFF IS HERE TODAY TO WORK THIS THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS BECAUSE IT IS ADDING POSITIONS. BUT AGAIN, THOSE POSITION AND THE, AND THE COSTS ARE OFFSET BY THE REVENUE. SO I KNOW THAT WAS A LOT, BUT I WILL ENTERTAIN ANY DISCUSSION AT THIS TIME OR QUESTIONS. COULD YOU GO BACK TO WHERE YOU HAD YOUR SPREADSHEET? YES SIR. BUDGET. OKAY. RIGHT THERE. THE NUMBERS DON'T ADD UP HERE EITHER. OKAY. YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING THAT ON OUR BUDGET REQUEST FOR THE SPORTS COMPLEX, THE SOCCER COMPLEX, IT'S GONNA BE $369,000. CORRECT? THAT'S THE EXPENSE, RIGHT? TOTAL THAT WE HAVE. YES. BUT YOU'RE SAYING UP THERE THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE OPERATING AT A PROFIT. WHY ARE WE PAYING FOR IT HERE? AND YOU'RE MAKING A PROFIT OVER THERE. I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE NUMBERS HERE. THE REVENUES ARE RECORDED IN THE BUDGET AS WELL. SO IT'S OFFSET. SO ALL THE REVENUES THAT ARE UP HERE, THAT COVER, THAT ARE IN THE, UH, THE REVENUES ON THE BUDGET AND THOSE ARE ADDITIONAL EXPENSES. YEAH, THOSE ARE THE EXPENSES TO RUN THE PROGRAM. SO YOU, IT'S A LITTLE BIT 69 HERE. IT'S A LITTLE BIT COMPLICATED. MAYOR, WE ALREADY HAVE SOME MONEY IN THE BUDGET 'CAUSE WE'RE ALREADY PAYING IT, RIGHT? THE UTILITIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THE WATER. SO THAT DOESN'T NEED TO BE ADDED TO THE BUDGET 'CAUSE WE ALREADY GOT IT. SO WE'LL REALLOCATE IT. NOW IF WE TAKE ON THESE OTHER THINGS, WE GOTTA ADD THAT TO THE BUDGET. SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THIS LIST. WHAT YOU'RE NOT SEEING IS THE REVENUE OFFSET THAT GOES IN THE REVENUE PART OF THE BUDGET THAT OFFSETS THIS. SO IF YOU REMEMBER WHEN I WENT THROUGH THESE, WHEN I MENTIONED THOSE TWO, THEY GET OFFSET BY REVENUES. SO THIS IS AN AD, BUT IT'S COMPLETE, IT'S A $32,000 PROFIT WHEN YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE REVENUE SIDE. SO THAT IS A CHANGE OF, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT, IT STILL MAKES NO SENSE. OKAY. NO. OKAY. NO, IT MAKES NO SENSE BECAUSE YOU'RE ADDING 369 THAT LOWERS THE TAX RATE TO 50 50 CENTS. EVEN THIS IS A 0.64 INCREASE ON THE TAX BASE. RIGHT? BUT YOU'RE SAYING IT'S OPERATING AT A PROFIT, BUT ON THIS, YOU'RE NOT OPERATING AT A PROFIT. YOU'RE INCREASING THE TAX RATE ON OUR RESIDENTS. SO IT BECAUSE OF THIS, IF, IF YOU LOOK DOWN AT THE VERY BOTTOM, IT'S 32,000, YOU SHOULD BE DECREASING IT BY 34, 30 $2,000. UM, MAYOR, NO, THAT'S ACTUALLY A PROFIT, RIGHT? YOU SHOULD BE DECREASING IT HERE BY 32,000. NO. SO WE SHOW THE EXPENDITURES AND WE ALSO SHOW THE REVENUES IN THE BUDGET. SO IN A DIFFERENT PART OF THE BUDGET, WE SHOW THE REVENUES AND THAT NUMBER IS $32,000 HIGHER THAN WHAT WE'RE ADDING HERE, PLUS WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE IN THE BUDGET. SO IT'S JUST NOT REPRESENTED ALL ON THE SUPPLEMENTAL REQUEST PAGE. SO THERE'S, WHEN YOU COME TO THAT ITEM, THERE'S ACTUALLY NO IMPACT IN TERMS OF INCREASING THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL REVENUES. 'CAUSE IT'S ALREADY BEEN ADDED FOR THE FEES AND SUCH THAT ARE LISTED UP THERE. BUT THERE IS AN IMPACT BECAUSE YOU'RE, THIS, THIS NUMBER REFLECTS EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE SPENDING. YES, YES. SO IT, IT'S EVERYTHING [04:30:01] WE'RE SPENDING AND THEN THE REVENUES THAT WE'RE GONNA COLLECT ARE MORE THAN EVERYTHING WE'RE GONNA BE SPENDING. SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A SURPLUS OF $32,000. IT STILL DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, YOU KNOW? OKAY. BUT I'M NOT GONNA ARGUE THE POINT IN MY MIND IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE BECAUSE, BECAUSE THAT NUMBER IS UP THERE AND THAT NUMBER INCREASES THE TAX RATE TO 50.64. WELL, IT'S COMPLETELY SUPPORTED BY FEES. SO IT DOESN'T IMPACT THE TAX RATE. AND IT SHOULDN'T BE UP THERE THEN. WELL, IT SHOULD BE ON THIS LIST BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE REQUESTING TO ADD EXPENDITURES IN THE BUDGET. SO RATHER THAN JUST SHOWING A NET, WE SHOW REVENUES COMING IN AND EXPENDITURES GOING OUT. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR BUDGET, YOU'LL SEE A REVENUE THAT'S RELATED TO THE SOCCER COMPLEX AND YOU'LL SEE EXPENDITURES RELATED TO THE SOCCER COMPLEX. IT'S SO, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S GOVERNMENTAL ACCOUNTING. THAT'S HOW WE WANT TO REPRESENT OUR BUDGET AND THAT'S HOW WE ENTER IT INTO OUR ACCOUNTING SYSTEM. WE REVENUES COME IN, THEY COVER EXPENDITURES THAT GO OUT. SO THE REVENUES ARE BASICALLY ON THE FEES OR PERMITS OR WHATEVER IT WAS. BUT IT WOULD NOT INDICATE THAT ON YOUR PRESENTATION THAT THESE WERE THE, IN THE, UH, IT DOES NOT INDICATE, IT DOESN'T INDICATE IT ON THE SUPPLEMENTAL REQUEST FORM. AND THAT'S, I SORRY, UH, MARY, UH, I MENTIONED IT IN THE SLIDE WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE FEES ON THE CHART, BUT AS TO YOUR POINT, THIS IS A CHANGE IN HOW WE'VE PRESENTED THE CUT LINE IN THE PAST AND BEFORE. WE WOULD ALWAYS SHOW THE NET IMPACT, THE, THE ONES THAT WOULD MORE DIRECTLY RELATE TO THE TAX RATE AND WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. UM, BUT AS, AS STEVE'S POINT IS, UH, WHENEVER COUNCIL IS SETTING A BUDGET, THEY HAVE TO APPROVE THE EXPENDITURES AS A, AS A WHOLE. UM, YOU TECHNICALLY DON'T SET REVENUES WHEN YOU ADOPT THE BUDGET. YOU JUST ADOPT THE EXPENDITURES. SO STEVE WANTED TO SHOW YOU ALL OF THE EXPENDITURES THAT WERE IN THE BUDGET, UM, BUT THEY'RE, THIS ITEM AND A COUPLE OF OTHER ITEMS DO HAVE FEES ASSOCIATED WITH IT THAT DON'T AFFECT THE TAX RATE. RIGHT. AND THOSE WERE NOT SPECIFICALLY STATED AND WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE STATED ON THE, ON THE FUTURE DISCUSSIONS AND PAPERS POINT TAKEN. YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. NOW LET'S GO BACK TO THE ALLIANCE. OKAY. THE PROBLEM YOU KEPT SAYING WAS THE ALLIANCE, THE ALLIANCE, THE ALLIANCE GRACE OF REQUESTED THAT THEY GO AHEAD AND TAKE OVER THE, THE COMPLEX WE DIDN'T EVEN CONSIDER OR GAVE HIM AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THEY, THEY CAN MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS. NO. AND YOU MENTIONED THE SOCCER FIELDS, THE MAINTENANCE OF THE SOCCER FIELDS OVER AND OVER. I'VE HEARD THAT THESE ARE THE BEST SOCCER FIELDS THAT THERE IS IN THE AREA, BUT NOW YOU'RE TELLING ME THEY'RE NOT MAINTAINED TO THE PROPER CALIBER THAT THEY SHOULD BE. SO I'M GETTING MIXED FEELINGS FROM THE PUBLIC AND FROM YOUR PRESENTATION. SO WHICH ONE IS IT? I THINK THEY ARE ONE OF THE BEST SOCCER FIELDS IN THE AREA. YES. IF YOU'VE BEEN TO HEB FIELDS IN NEW BRAUNFELS OR, OR SOME OF THE OTHER PLACES IN SAN ANTONIO, THEY'RE NOT THAT NICE. BUT I WOULD SAY THAT OUR CALIBER OF PARKS AND THE MAINTENANCE STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE HERE IN CHURCH ARE HIGHER THAN BEXAR COUNTY AND CITY OF SAN ANTONIO AND EVEN CITY OF NEW BRAUNFELS. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS CONTINUE TO RAISE THE BAR. UM, TO YOUR POINT, YES, GRACE, UH, HAS NOT GOTTEN A CHANCE YET TO OPERATE ON THEIR OWN. UM, THAT'S A POLICY QUESTION HERE THAT, THAT COUNCIL CAN, CAN DECIDE TO MAKE. UM, ESSENTIALLY THEY HAVE BEEN SORT OF DOMINATING THE ALLIANCE ALL THESE YEARS. AND SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY STAFF FIELDS TO MAKE CHANGES AND SORT OF SHOW, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY CAN DO THIS. BUT THEY, WE, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DO SO. UM, AND I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S SORT OF OUR PERSPECTIVE. I I IN AN, IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS WITH A PROGRAM THAT'S ROUGHLY, OH, I'M SORRY, WENT TOO FAR. IT'S OKAY. YOU KNOW, A ROUGHLY A $370,000 A YEAR PROGRAM, WE WOULD DEFINITELY NEED TO DO AN RFP BECAUSE OTHER SOCCER CLUBS HAVE EXPRESSED INTEREST AND I'M SURE THEY WOULD EXPRESS INTEREST IN TAKING IT OVER AS WELL. SO, UH, I I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND JUST HANDING IT OVER TO ONE OF THE CLUBS. I WOULD RECOMMEND WE GO THROUGH THE RFP PROCESS AND EVALUATE THE, THE DIFFERENT PROPOSERS TO TO, TO TAKE OVER IT COMPLETELY. YOU KNOW. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS UP THERE, THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR CLOSE TO $300,000 OF THE TOURNAMENT FEES, THE GAINS, THE REGISTRATIONS, AND YOU WANNA TAKE OVER THAT. AND WE ARE NOT EXPERTS IN THOSE FIELDS. YOU INDICATED THAT YOURSELF RIGHT HERE, YOU WE'RE JUST MAINTAINING THE FIELDS. THIS, YOU OPERATING ON PROFIT, YOU'RE OPERATING ON THE PROFIT BASED ON THE $300,000, $300,000 THAT YOU THINK YOU'RE GONNA GET IT FROM THEM. AND THEY'RE NOT EVEN PART OF THE GAME. WELL, J JUST, I JUST THINK JUST JUST THINK THAT WE SHOULD GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. YOU KNOW, WE CAN DELAY THIS [04:35:01] PORTION UNTIL NEXT YEAR AFTER WE GIVE THEM AN YEAR TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THEY CAN PROVE THEMSELVES BECAUSE THE SOCCER FIELDS ARE BEING MAINTAINED. OKAY. THE, THE, THE AMOUNT OF REVENUE THEY'RE BRINGING IN IS $300,000 PLUS. I, I'M SORRY, MAYOR, I I JUST WANNA BE COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE PHOTOS PLEASE? I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT, THAT IT'S CSA THESE ARE, THESE ARE THE FEES THAT CSA CHARGES AS THE ADMINISTRATOR OF THE FIELDS IN TERMS OF MAINTENANCE AND THE FIELD RENTAL ESSENTIALLY FOR THE TOURNAMENTS AND NOT PRACTICE, BUT FOR THE TOURNAMENTS. SO IT'S NOT GRSA THAT'S BRINGING THOSE REVENUES IN. IT'S CISA. IT'S CISA. 'CAUSE THEY'RE MORE ORGANIZATIONS THAN JUST SSA USING THE FACILITY RIGHT NOW. SO THAT THEY, THEY ALSO CHARGE FEES FOR THEIR LEAGUES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE TO PAY THESE FEES. GRACE DOES. AND THE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, THEY CHARGE FEES TO BE ABLE TO PAY THESE FEES, BUT THEN THEY ALSO PAY THEIR OFFICIALS AND WHOEVER ELSE IT IS THAT, THAT RUNS THEIR PROGRAMS. YEAH. SO THERE IS A DISTINCTION. SO IF, IF WE WERE TO MOVE CONTINUE FORWARD, MY INTERPRETATION IS IT WOULD BE TO, TO MAINTAIN CISA IN THIS POSITION UNTIL WE CAN DO AN RFP AND SELECT AN ORGANIZATION TO, UH, TO, TO RUN IT DIRECTLY MORE LIKE THE BVYA MODEL. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S COUNCIL SUPPORT FOR THAT OR, UH, BUT WE'RE NOT ANY EVENT, BUT WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GIVING THEM THE OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE IF WE TAKE OVER, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE BVYA OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. WE ARE TAKING OVER THE WHOLE FACILITY, THE WHOLE MAINTENANCE. I YES SIR. AND I BELIEVE MAYBE BVYA WOULD LIKE TO BE PART OF THE, TO THE RFP PROCESS AND, AND, AND BID ON DOING IT. SO I, I KNOW THERE ARE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS OTHER THAN GRACE THAT WOULD LIKE TO PROBABLY PARTICIPATE IN THAT. AND I THINK IT'S PRUDENT WITH $370,000 MAYBE NOT TO JUST HAND IT TO AN OR A, A NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATION OUTSIDE OF THE CITY. SO, I'M SORRY, WHICH PICTURE DO YOU WANNA LOOK? THAT'S, THAT'S NOT THE PROPOSAL HERE. THE PROPOSAL IS IS HIRING ADDITIONAL STAFF TO MAKE TO, TO BRING IT IN-HOUSE TO THE CITY. YES, SIR. YES, SIR. BEFORE WE GO BACK TO THE PHOTOS, CAN YOU GO BACK TO YOU THE CHART WITH THE FEES, THE CITY, THE, THE RESIDENTS ARE ON THE HOOK WITH THE BOND FOR THIS SOCCER FIELD. I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF TURNING OVER A SOCCER FIELD THAT WE ARE ON THE HOOK FOR. THE RESIDENTS ARE ON THE HOOK FOR THIS BOND. THEY'VE HAD EVERY OPPORTUNITY, IN MY OPINION, BASED ON THE PICTURES THAT YOU'VE SHOWN ME ON MAINTAINING WHAT THEY SHOULD HAVE. THEY CAN FOCUS ON SOCCER WHILE WE MAINTAIN WHAT WE NEED TO. BECAUSE ALL THE PICTURES THAT YOU JUST GO BACK THROUGH THE PICTURES WHERE THE FIELDS ARE AND YOU LEAVING, UH, LAWN EQUIPMENT AND THE BATHROOMS AND STUFF THAT, JUST THE DAMAGES AND THE, THE GRASS. OKAY? AND I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF WATER, BUT THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT ARE UNSAFE. YOU, IF YOU WERE PART OF THAT THING AND YOU WANTED TO DO SOMETHING, YOU WOULD'VE DONE IT WHILE YOU HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO. YOU DON'T HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL NOW THAT THE CITY WANTS TO TAKE IT OVER THAT NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU WANT TO TAKE OVER A FIELD WHERE YOU WEREN'T DOING ANY MAINTENANCE TO BEGIN WITH. AND IF YOU'RE GIVING CONTRACTS TO OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE RELATED, THE THE SOCCER FIELD, YES, I'VE HEARD FROM OTHER PEOPLE, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT. WHEN YOU GO TO OTHER FIELDS, OURS DOES LOOK BETTER. BUT IT'S NOT WHERE WE, WHERE WE WANT IT TO BE AND IT NEEDS TO STAY THERE. AND WHAT THE MAINTENANCE THAT WE HAVE TO PUT INTO IT AND WHAT WE ARE PUTTING INTO IT, AND THE $2 MILLION INVESTMENT THAT WE TOOK FROM THE RESIDENTS IN THE CITY OF CHURCHS TO SAY, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU THE SOCCER FIELD THAT YOU WANT. I, I'M NOT WILLING TO DO THAT. I WOULD THINK WE SHOULD BE MAINTAINING WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AND THEY CAN MAINTAIN THEIR SOCCER TEAMS AND THE SOCCER GAMES. AND I HAVE HEARD FROM SOME PEOPLE WHO WERE HAVING ISSUES WITH GETTING INTO THE FIELD AND BEING ABLE TO USE THE FIELD AND THEY MADE COMPLAINTS. AND SO IF SOMEONE IS TAKING THAT AND ONLY LETTING PEOPLE IN THAT THEY CHOOSE TO, THAT'S NOT RIGHT EITHER. IT SHOULD BE EQUITABLE. AND IF YOU WEREN'T BEING EQUITABLE WHEN YOU WERE PART OF THE WHOLE ALLIANCE DOESN'T MAKE ME HAVE FULL CONFIDENCE THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE EQUITABLE IF YOU HAVE IT YOURSELF. AND IF WE'RE GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO ANYBODY, I WOULD, I WOULD AGREE IT NEEDS TO BE AN RFP SO THAT OTHER PEOPLE CAN APPLY. BUT I THINK IT'S BEST FOR CHURCH TO TAKE CARE OF IT BECAUSE OUR RESIDENTS ARE ON THE HOOK WITH BOND AND MONEY. NO, BUT I MUST REMIND YOU BBYA IS OUR FIELD AND WE LET THEM TAKE CARE OF IT. SO YOUR, YOUR ARGUMENT MEANT SAYING THAT YOUR ARGUMENT SAYING THAT WE PAID FOR IT AS A BOND. WE DID THE SAME THING WITH BASEBALL FIELDS AND THEY ARE GREAT. THEY ARE BEING MANAGED. AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM HERE WAS AN ALLIANCE OF THREE PEOPLE THAT COULD NOT AGREE ON A SET [04:40:01] ISSUE. AND IF WE HAVE ONE PER ONE GROUP, ONLY ONE GROUP, IT CAN BE A DIFFERENT STORY. BUT WE'RE NOT GIVING THEM THE OPPORTUNITY AT THIS TIME. CAN WE GO BACK TO THE SLIDE WHERE IT SAYS GRAYSON WHEN THEY CAME IN AND WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO DO THAT THEY SAID THEY COULDN'T DO TO BEGIN WITH, WITH THE PAYMENT AND TRYING TO PAY FOR DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO LIKE WITH THAT? WELL, AND ALSO I, I DO JUST WANT TO RE REITERATE. I WILL FINE TURN IT OVER TO LAUREN IN JUST A SECOND. TO REITERATE ONE THING, THIS IS MERELY THE MAINTENANCE, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT I FIGURED. THE MAINTENANCE, THE LEAKS WILL STILL HAVE RIGHT? ACCESS, THEY'LL HAVE PREFERENTIAL SCHEDULING. THEY WILL HAVE A LOT OF THINGS THAT THEY'RE, THAT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE, NOBODY OUT THERE IS GONNA NOTICE A DIFFERENCE OTHER THAN MAYBE LAUREN. AND WE BELIEVE THAT WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB MAINTAINING IT, THAT IT'S CURRENTLY BEING MAINTAINED. AND, AND IT IS, WE DO HAVE ABOUT $10 MILLION INVESTED IN THAT FACILITY. SO IN MY ESTIMATION, IT'S, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S MAINTAINED TO ITS BEST AND HIGHEST USE. AND WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE THE BEST ONES TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE DO THAT IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT INSTANCES THAT THE, THERE WILL STILL BE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF INFLUENCE ON WHAT THE STAFF DOES IN TERMS OF SCHEDULING THAT KIND OF THING FOR BY THE USER ORGANIZATIONS. THE, AND IN TERMS OF NETTING OUT THE COST, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE OPERATIONAL COST AND THAT'S THAT $370,000 IN REVENUE OR I'M SORRY, IN EXPENDITURE, BUT THEN YOU HAVE THE CAPITAL COST AND THAT'S THE 10 MILLION, UH, I THINK A TOTAL OF MAYBE $8 MILLION IN BOND SOMEWHERE IN THAT RANGE. THAT $281,000 A YEAR THAT THE CITY ISSUED TO ACQUIRE THE PARK AND IMPROVE THE PARK. AND THEN WE JUST INVESTED $2 MILLION IN TERMS OF UPGRADING LIGHTING. AND SO THE CITY, THE THE CITY HAS A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT IN THIS PARK. WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S MAIN, THE MAINTENANCE IS WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE TO PRESERVE THAT ASSET AS LONG AS POSSIBLE AND AS THE HIGHEST USE AND BEST USE AS POSSIBLE. THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT MM-HMM WE CAN MAINTAIN THOSE FIELDS EVEN MUCH BETTER, BUT AT A GREATER COST. UH, I BET I'M NOT DOUBTING THAT. I'M JUST SAYING THAT WE NEVER GAVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVE WHETHER OR NOT THEY CAN DO IT. AND THAT IS MY ONLY ARGUMENT AT THIS POINT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TAKING OVER, RIGHT? YOU MENTIONED, UH, THE LIGHTS, THE LIGHTS WERE JUST INSTALLED IN MAY OF THIS YEAR, MID-MAY. AND, AND, AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, HOW CAN I PHRASE THIS? YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF THE LIGHTS BEING INSTALLED, YOU EXPECT A HIGH, A HIGH VOLUME OF THE FIELDS BEING USED WITH THESE LIGHTS WHEN THEY JUST HAPPEN THERE. THERE'S TIME THEN YOU, YOU GOTTA FORM YOUR LEAGUES FIRST AND THEN YOU START TO, TO ALLOW THE TIME SO THAT THEY COULD USE IT. WE DIDN'T EVEN GIVE THEM THAT OPPORTUNITY. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THESE, THEY WERE FINALIZING THEIR GAMES, THEY'RE GONNA START IN KNOW UP SOON, BUT WE NEVER GAVE HIM THAT OPPORTUNITY. AND, AND YOU MENTIONED THAT, THAT THE LIGHTS, AND THAT'S, TO ME, THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT YOU PROVIDE THE COUNCIL WITH INFORMATION THAT IS NOT REALLY THOUGHT THROUGH AS FAR AS EXPECT YOUR EXPECTATIONS BECAUSE THE LIGHTS WERE INSTALLED IN MID-MAY WHEN THERE'S NO LEAGUES GOING ON DURING THE SUMMER. SO, AND THEN YOU PUT IN THE $40,000 PRACTICE FEES. AND AS, UH, GRACE HAS SAID, WE DON'T CHARGE FOR PRACTICE FIELDS. SO YOU'RE OPERATING AT A DEFICIT, NOT AT A PROFIT OF $8,000. WELL, CISA DOESN'T CHARGE GRSA. YOU WILL, WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER GRSA CHARGES THE PEOPLE THAT THEY ALLOW TO USE IT. SO, I MEAN, LET'S, I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT. CISA DOES NOT CHARGE GRSA AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT GRSA CHARGES. SO THE, THIS IS A POLICY DECISION OF THE COUNCIL AND WE WILL DO WHATEVER YOU COLLECTIVELY DECIDE TO DO OUR RECOMMENDATION. MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE TAKE IT INTO HOUSE FOR THE MAINTENANCE AND THE SCHEDULING AND THE UPKEEP OF THE FACILITY. THAT IS ALL WE INTEND TO DO. WE ARE NOT TRYING TO START ANY SOCCER LEAGUES. WE ARE NOT TRYING TO COMPETE WITH THE SOCCER LEAGUES. WE WANT THEM TO DO WHAT THEY DO BEST, WHICH IS RUN THE SOCCER LEAGUES. WHAT IS THE IMPACT ON THE TAX RATE IF WE DON'T BRING IT IN? THERE'S, THERE'S NO IMPACT ON THE TAX RATE BECAUSE IT'LL CONTINUE TO EXIST AS IT IS. AS IT IS. RIGHT. RIGHT. SO THERE'S NO IMPACT NOW [04:45:01] AND THERE'LL BE NO IMPACT IF WE BRING IT IN HOUSE. IT'S THE SAME. IT'S ONLY WHETHER OR NOT WE WANNA TAKE A RISK AND LET GRACE, UH, TAKE OVER. BUT AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE A VOTE HERE. I'M JUST, I'M A NUMBERS PERSON MYSELF AND I FEEL THAT THE OPPORTUNITY SHOULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN. UH, AND WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT PROVIDING THAT OPPORTUNITY TO SOMEONE TO PROVE THEMSELVES. UH, BUT THE COUNCIL WILL DECIDE WHICH WAY THEY WANT TO GO. I, I SUPPORT THE SOCCER AND FOR THE CITY TO TAKE OVER THE SOCCER FIELDS. OKAY, THANK YOU. YES. I I THINK IT MAKES SENSE FOR THE CITY TAKING OVER. THEY CAN CONTINUE TO DO SOCCER 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY FOCUS ON. BUT TO ME, I, I HEAR WHAT THE MAYOR'S SAYING, BUT EVEN SAYING, GIVING THEM AN OPPORTUNITY, THEY COULD HAVE TAKEN THE OPPORTUNITY AT ANY POINT DURING THE, THE ALLIANCE AND SAY, HEY, WE'VE GOT THIS. WE'RE GONNA MAINTAIN THIS. WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THIS. BUT THEN WHEN YOU SHOW ME PICTURES LIKE THAT OF HOW THAT IS HAS HAPPENED OVER TIME. THEY DIDN'T STEP UP WHEN THEY COULD HAVE. AND NOW THAT THE CITY WANTS TO TAKE OVER JUST TO MAINTAIN THE BILLS, NOW THEY WANT PRIORITY AND TO MEAN YOU DON'T HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE CITY WANTED TO TAKE IT OVER. YOU COULD HAVE BEEN DOING ALL THE THINGS AND THEN WORKING WITH THE CITY AND SAID, I KNOW WE GOT THESE OTHER PEOPLE, BUT WE REALLY WANNA MAKE SURE THESE FIELDS ARE TAKEN CARE OF. SO WHAT CAN WE DO IN CITY? HOW CAN YOU HELP US MAKE THESE FIELDS THE WAY THEY ARE BEFORE THE, THE PARKS BOARD? AND TO ME, I TRUST MY PARKS BOARD. WE APPOINTED THESE PEOPLE TO BE ON THE PARKS BOARD AND AFTER EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN DONE, THEY MADE A DECISION. I NEED TO BASE BASE MY DECISION ON THE PARKS BOARD BECAUSE THEY'RE OUT THERE AND THEY'RE SEEING WHAT'S GOING ON. OKAY. SO IF THE CONSENSUS OF THE COUNCIL IS TO MOVE FORWARD AS IT IS, THEN WE WILL, IN TERMS OF THE BUDGET. IF IT'S NOT, THEN WE CAN PULL IT OUT OF THE BUDGET AND CONTINUE TO OPERATE WITH CISA AS AS IS AND YES, SIR. NO, I I, I DIDN'T WANNA INTERRUPT YOU. UM, THAT'S SLIDE. IT SAID, IT SAID FOUR WERE IN FAVOR AND ONE WAS AN AY IT, SO ONE WAS AGAINST, BECAUSE THE MOTION THAT WAS MADE WAS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT STAFF WAS RECOMMENDING. IT WAS TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL PERSON THAT WE DIDN'T ASK FOR. WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR THAT. AND SO THE ONE PERSON THAT OUT OF THE TWO THAT VOTED AGAINST IT, WAS NOT IN FAVOR OF ADDING THAT EXTRA POSITION. HE'S EXPRESSED AFTER THE FACT THAT HE'S IN FAVOR OF THE CITY TAKING IT OVER, JUST NOT WITH TWO POSITIONS. JUST 1, 2, 2 NAYS. AND THE OTHER NAY WAS THE PRESIDENT OF GRAYA. OKAY. SO THOSE TWO WERE IN FAVOR OF, OF THE CITY TAKING OVER. NO. FOUR WERE IN FAVOR. OH FOUR WERE IN FAVOR MOTION THAT WAS PRESENTED, WHICH INCLUDED THE ADDITION OF A SECOND MAINTENANCE PERSON THAT, OR A SECOND PARK STAFF PERSONNEL THAT WE DIDN'T RECOMMEND. STAFF DID NOT RECOMMEND THAT. SO THE, THE TWO THAT WERE AGAINST ONE WAS THE PRESIDENT OF GRSA AND ONE WAS SOMEBODY WHO JUST DIDN'T WANT THAT SECOND POSITION ADDED. HE WAS IN FAVOR OF IT MOVING TO THE CITY, BUT NOT IN FAVOR OF TWO POSITIONS. GOTCHA. OKAY. AND, UH, I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE CITY TAKING CARE OF OUR OWN STUFF. DON'T GET ME WRONG. I, I, YOU KNOW, BUT I OBVIOUSLY, I I, I'M A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED HERE AS FAR AS THE SOCCER SIDE OF IT. NOW WE CONTRACT THAT OUT TO AN ORGANIZATION TO RUN. YES. SO THE GO AHEAD. YEAH. YEAH. SO, SO WE WOULD JUST BE, AGAIN, CONTRACT COORDINATING. YEAH. I KNOW WE'RE NOT GONNA RUN THE SOCCER GAMES, BUT WE'RE, WE DO HAVE A CONTRACT WITH AN ORGANIZATION. WE, WE, WE CREATED AN ALLIANCE OF THREE DIFFERENT, WE, I'M SORRY YOU WANNA SAY IT? YEAH. WE DON'T HAVE CONTRACTS WITH THE SOCCER ORGANIZATIONS TO PROVIDE THE LEAGUES. WE SIMPLY PROVIDE THE FIELDS THAT THEY USE TO RUN THEIR LEAGUES. SO THERE'S NO CONTRACTUAL ARRANGEMENT. WE DO HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE ALLIANCE MEMBERS AND WE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK AND OKAY. DISBAND THAT AGREEMENT. RIGHT. THEY'D HAVE TO VOTE. YEAH. BUT YEAH, AND I DON'T MEAN TO GET OFF IN THE WEEDS IN IT, BUT THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE LIKE TOURNAMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT USE IT, THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE. THEY'RE NOT INCLUDED IN THE AGREEMENT. THEY, THEY FALL UNDER THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE AGREEMENT. YEAH, YEAH. I GET THAT. BUT WHAT I'M SAYING, SOMEBODY ELSE IS RUNNING THE, WHO'S PLAYING WHO. YES. AND YOU KNOW, ACCESS AND YOU GUYS HAVE FIELDS TWO AND THREE TONIGHT AND CORRECT. WE WOULD NOT DO ANY OF THAT. THE LEAGUES THEMSELF WOULD SCHEDULE ALL OF THEIR GAMES. WE WOULD MEET WITH THEM AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SEASON AND SAY, THIS LEAGUE, YOU HAVE FOUR TO EIGHT ON FIELD 12. THIS LEAGUE, YOU HAVE FOUR [04:50:01] TO EIGHT ON FIELD TWO, THAT KIND OF A THING. BUT WE, WE CONTROL THE, UH, USAGE OF THE FIELDS FOR MAINTENANCE AND RECEDING AND CORRECT. WE WOULD DO ALL THE MAINTENANCE, ALL THE IRRIGATION MANAGEMENT. SO WE WOULD SAY, OKAY, THESE FIELDS ARE OFF LIMITS THIS WEEK. CORRECT. MAINTENANCE AND CORRECT. YES, SIR. AND, AND I WOULD MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT ABOUT THE FIELDS. ONE OF THE THINGS RIGHT NOW IS WE DON'T CHARGE THEM FOR PRACTICE RIGHT NOW. RIGHT. WE WOULD CHARGE A NOMINAL FEE FOR PRACTICE. AND WHAT THAT DOES, IT GIVES 'EM SOME SKIN IN THE GAME. 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW WE GOT A LOT OF NO-SHOW PEOPLE SCHEDULE THE FIELDS. HEY, I DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY DOWN, SO I MAY AS WELL JUST NOT SHOW UP THAT'S OCCURRING. SO IF YOU ATTACH A SMALL FEE TO IT, IT'S GONNA INCENTIVIZE THEM TO, TO USE WHAT THEY RESERVE. OKAY, THEN THAT MAKES MORE SENSE TO ME, UH, TO DO, TO DO WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING. I'VE ALREADY SPOKEN TO ONE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBER WHO'S NOT PRESENT AND THEY'RE IN FAVOR OF THE CITY TAKING IT OVER. SO AM I. OKAY. OKAY. RIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS? IF NOT, WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE. THE SENIOR CENTER. IS THAT YOUR PAPER, SCOTT OR STEVE, DO YOU WANT? OKAY. SENIOR CENTER, AGAIN, A SIMILAR CONVERSATION. UM, WE HAVE BEEN CONTRACTING OUT THE OPERATIONS OF THE SENIOR CENTER THROUGH THIS, UH, FACILITY USE AGREEMENT WITH, CURRENTLY WITH THE YMCA. UM, AGAIN, WHEN WE OPEN OUR SENIOR CENTER, YOU KNOW, IT WAS, WE HAD A SMALL STAFF. WE DIDN'T HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO RUN IT OURSELVES. UM, AS WE'VE GROWN, WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS SAYING, DOES THIS CONTRACT MAKE SENSE FOR US AS WE MOVE FORWARD? THERE'S SOME ISSUES THERE. I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN ME COME UP TO COUNCIL MEETINGS THIS MANY TIMES, SORT OF OVER THE YEARS ABOUT SOME THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED AND OCCURRED AT THE SENIOR CENTER. AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH THOSE THINGS. AND SO JUST A LITTLE HISTORY, FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW, THERE IS PRECEDENTS, PRECEDENTS FOR OTHER ENTITIES OPERATING THE SENIOR CENTER. WE HAD THE CONWELL COUNTY SENIOR CITIZENS FOUNDATION FOR SEVERAL YEARS. WE, THE CITY OF SHARDS DID IT FOR A COUPLE YEARS. THEN WE WENT TO THE YMCA, NOW WE'RE ACTUALLY PROPOSING GOING BACK TO THE CITY. UM, JUST A REMINDER, IN 2017, WE DID DO A RENOVATION OF THE FACILITY, INVESTED ABOUT 850,000 AND ADDED AN ADDITIONAL 1500 SQUARE FEET TO THE CENTER BY, UH, ENCOMPASSING WHAT WAS THE WELLMED DOCTOR'S OFFICE NEXT DOOR. UM, CURRENTLY THIS CONTRACT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE AQUATICS CENTER AND THE RECREATION CENTER THAT THIS THE MAIN Y HUB. THEY DO A LOT MORE MANAGEMENT OVER THERE AND HAVE MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITIES. UM, AND THIS CONTRACT, WE REALLY HAVE JUST SUB SUBCONTRACTED OUT THE STAFFING IS REALLY WHAT IT BOILS DOWN TO. WE STILL MAINTAIN THAT BUILDING. WE STILL HAVE FACILITIES, PEOPLE DOING WORK ORDERS OVER THERE. WE STILL HAVE PARKS, PEOPLE WORKING ON THE IRRIGATION OUT FRONT THAT IT HAS JUST ULTIMATELY BEEN THE YMCA HIRING STAFF TO RUN THE PROGRAM. AND, UM, SO IT'S, IT'S SORT OF A SHARED EXPERIENCE THERE. AND AGAIN, WE'VE HAD ISSUES. SO AGAIN, SOME COMPLIANCE ISSUES. WE RUN THE NUTRITION EDUCATION PROGRAM OUT THERE WHERE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, FEDERAL DOLLARS INVOLVED. THERE'S A LOT OF FORMS AND THINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED WITH THAT. IT'S STILL A STRUGGLE TO GET THOSE THINGS IN AND TURNED IN AND, AND IT'S SORT OF BEEN A PATTERN. WE'VE HAD TRANSITION OVER THERE. THIS, THE THIRD, WE'VE HAD THREE SENIOR CENTER DIRECTORS. I THINK IN THE FIVE YEARS, THIS CONTRACT, IT'S JUST BEEN DIFFICULT EVERY YEAR. EVERY TIME IT'S A NEW PERSON, IT'S GETTING THEM ON BOARD. WE STILL ARE REALLY NOT WHERE WE WOULD LIKE TO BE. UM, THINGS THEY SHOULD BE DOING, LIKE FIRE DRILLS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THEY'RE JUST NOT GETTING DONE. AND WE HAVE TO CONSTANTLY, HEY, REMEMBER THIS. SO THIS TAKES A LOT OF STAFF TIME TO MANAGE THIS CONTRACT LEVEL OF SERVICE. WE REALLY HAVEN'T RETURNED TO PRE COVID LEVELS. I THINK WE ALL SORT OF HAVE NOTICED THAT OVER TIME. I'VE HEARD THAT COMMENT FROM, FROM MANY FOLKS. UM, WE DON'T SEEM TO HAVE THE SAME LEVEL OF ENGAGEMENT YOU WE USED TO HAVE OVER THERE. WE DON'T HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF FIELD TRIPS AND DANCES. WE DON'T HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF PROGRAMS. WE DON'T REALLY SEEM TO BE GETTING ANY GRANTS OR SPONSORSHIPS. WE, WE HAD THAT PRE COVID, WE HAD A VERY ENGAGED DIRECTOR OVER THERE AND WE WERE KIND OF ROCKING AND ROLLING. AND WE REALLY HAVEN'T GOT BACK UP TO THAT POINT. AND WE'VE HAD THESE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE Y UM, THIS WAS NOT A SURPRISE TO THEM THAT WE HAVE COME TO THIS CONCLUSION AND, AND WE'RE HERE TODAY. UM, AND THEN AGAIN, IF WE'RE GONNA CONTRACT, IT HAS TO HAVE BENEFITS TO THE CITY, RIGHT? THERE'S, THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT IT WORKS GREAT WITH. THERE'S SOME, IT'S NOT SO GREAT. AND AGAIN, WE, WE HAVE A HARD TIME WITH QUALITY CONTROL. THEY'RE NOT OUR DIRECT EMPLOYEES. WE CAN MAKE STRONG SUGGESTIONS, BUT IT DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK OUT. AND AS YOU GUYS KNOW, THAT IS AN INTENSIVE, UM, CENTER TO RUN. IT'S AN INTENSIVE OPERATION TO RUN. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN ADVISORY BOARD MANAGEMENT, THERE'S ALL THESE THINGS THAT COME WITH IT. AND UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK WE, UH, DO THAT A LOT. SO WE JUST HAVE THAT EXPERIENCE AND IT'S BEEN DIFFICULT FOR THE Y TO SORT OF, UM, STEP INTO THAT ROLE. SO AGAIN, WE THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT TIME TO ADJUST. WE SHOULD BE EVALUATING OUR CONTRACTS EVERY TIME, YOU KNOW, UM, AND IT'S EXPIRED ON SEPTEMBER 30TH. IT'S [04:55:01] TIME WITH THIS PROCESS TO ADD THE STAFF. UM, OUR BUDGET PROPOSAL SLIGHTLY INCREASES THE LEVEL OF SERVICE, UM, WITH A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA MONEY. BUT ULTIMATELY IT'S, IT'S ONLY ABOUT A $4,000 DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT WE'RE ALREADY PAYING NOW. SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT WE DO LET THE CURRENT CONTRACT EXPIRE. UM, HIRE, UH, OUR OWN SENIOR CENTER SUPERVISOR WHO WORKS FOR THE CITY DIRECTLY UNDER PARKS AND RECREATION. AGAIN, WE CAN, WE CAN MANAGE THE EXPECTATIONS BETTER IF THEY WORK DIRECTLY FOR US. WE THINK HIRE FULL-TIME REC SPECIALISTS, DO A LOT MORE PROGRAMMING OVER THERE THAN WE CURRENTLY DO. THE Y DOESN'T HAVE ANOTHER FULL-TIME PERSON. THEY HAVE A FULL-TIME AND THEN A PART-TIME KIND OF FRONT DESK TYPE PERSON. SO WE REALLY WANNA BEEF UP THE PROGRAMMING OVER THERE. AND THIS FITS WITHIN, AGAIN, THE CURRENT BUDGET. ESSENTIALLY RIGHT NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING CUSTODIAL SUPPORT. WE HAVE SOME CAPACITY WITH OUR EVENT ATTENDANCE OVER AT THE CIVIC CENTER. WE FELT LIKE WE CAN JUST ABSORB THAT CLEANING, MIGHT LOOK INTO MAYBE ADDING, UM, TO THE CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE FOR CLEANING FOR THE CITY BUILDINGS IF WE CAN MAKE IT WORK. BUT FOR NOW, WE WANNA WORK WITH OUR CURRENT PARKS EMPLOYEES AND THROUGH THE CONVERSATION WITH THE YMCA ABOUT THIS, WE DID TALK THROUGH, HEY, THEIR BUSINESS IS FITNESS. THEY DO GREAT AT FITNESS. THEY'RE RECOMMENDING AND OFFERING UP A CONTRACT WITH THEM TO MAINTAIN THEIR CONTRACT FITNESS INSTRUCTORS. AND SO THAT'S A WIN WHERE WE CAN STILL MAINTAIN THAT PARTNERSHIP IN A WAY THAT MAKES IT A FIT FOR THIS FACILITY. THAT'S THEIR BUSINESS. AND IT'D BE GREAT TO JUST SENIORS LOVE THEIR CURRENT INSTRUCTORS. THEY DON'T WANNA CHANGE. SO IT'D BE GREAT IF WE COULD MAINTAIN THOSE INSTRUCTORS THAT THEY HAVE CURRENTLY THROUGH A, A SECONDARY CONTRACT WITH THE Y ON THAT. AND SO WE'RE WORKING ON A TRANSITION PLAN. WE'RE HOPING TO GET DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL TODAY, JUST LIKE WE DID WITH THE OTHER, SO WE CAN GO AHEAD AND START POSTING FOR POSITIONS AND FIGURE THIS OUT SO WE CAN PHASE THESE THINGS IN BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA DISRUPT THE SENIOR CENTER OPERATIONS. JUST LIKE WE DON'T WANNA DISRUPT THE SOCCER, WE WANNA MAKE IT SMOOTH. WE WANT EVERYBODY TO STILL ENJOY THEIR TIME THAT WE WANNA PLAN APPROPRIATELY. SO THAT'S SORT OF WHAT WE'RE DOING. THAT'S OUR PLAN AND THAT'S OUR RECOMMENDATION. HERE'S THE BUDGET AGAIN, CURRENTLY IS WHAT WE'RE DOING ON THE LEFT, PROPOSED ON THE RIGHT. ALL WE'RE DOING IS TAKING THE 160,236 THAT WE'RE PAYING THE YMCA AND USING THAT FUNDING TO HIRE STAFF THAT WORK FOR THE CITY. WE ARE THINKING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET BACK INTO THE SILVER SNEAKERS PROGRAM, WHICH IS A REIMBURSEMENT FROM, UH, MEMBERS INSURANCES. SO THAT WAY WE CAN, UH, DRIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE REVENUE AND WE WANNA BE ABLE TO SEEK SOME MORE SPONSORSHIPS. YOU KNOW, I HAVE SOME FOLKS ON THE TEAM WHO ARE REALLY GOOD AT DOING THAT FOR THE EVENTS. AND SO I'M HOPING I CAN DO THAT HERE AT THE SENIOR CENTER. UM, AND THEN JUST SORT OF MAINTAIN AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, BRING BACK THE FIELD TRIPS, BRING BACK THE THINGS THAT WE REALLY KEEP HEARING THAT THE SENIORS WANT. AND AGAIN, STILL OPERATING AT A LOSS. YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT A SURPRISE, BUT, UM, DRIVING A LITTLE BIT MORE REVENUE. SO ACTUALLY OUR COST RECOVERY GOES UP A TEENY BIT, BUT THAT'S SORT OF THE PROPOSAL. AND I WILL BE, OH, AND WE DID TALK ABOUT THIS AT PARKS BOARD. AGAIN, THE RECOMMENDATION WAS UNANIMOUS ON THIS ONE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH CITY OPERATIONS AND, UH, CANCEL THE CONTRACT. SO THAT'S THEIR RECOMME OR LET THE CONTRACT EXPIRE. EXCUSE ME. THAT'S THEIR RECOMMENDATION. AND I'D LOVE TO HAVE FEEDBACK FROM YOU ALL. NOW. I SAW SOME NODS. . OKAY. I I THINK IT'S AT THIS TIME IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. OKAY. UM, TO, BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, THE SENIORS DID HAVE A LOT OF THINGS BEFORE AND THEY'RE NOT GETTING WHAT THEY WERE GETTING. AND I REMEMBER A LOT OF THE COMPLIANCE ISSUES AND HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS IN COUNCIL. SO I THINK IT'S TIME TO BRING THE OPERATION OF IT AS FAR AS OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE OF IT BACK ON THE CITY. AND THEN, LIKE YOU SAID, THEY DO FITNESS. WELL LET THEM CONTINUE TO DO FITNESS. I THINK IT'S A WIN FOR THE SENIORS. THANK YOU. I COMPLETELY SUPPORT IT. I, I KNOW FIRSTHAND HOW UPSET EVERYBODY IS OVER THERE. SO, UM, DEFINITELY SUPPORT THE CITY TAKING OVER. BUT I ALSO WOULD LIKE AT A LATER TIME, ALTERNATIVE FACILITIES. SO THAT'S SOMETHING MAYBE LATER WE COULD TALK ABOUT OKAY. I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR THAT LAST QUESTION. COULD YOU REPEAT ALTERNATIVE FACILITIES? OH, IF YOU LOOK AT OTHER PLACES. YES, ABSOLUTELY. WHEN YOU SAY FUTURE CONSIDERATION, YOU'RE SAYING LIKE NEXT FISCAL YEAR KIND OF? YES. AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS. MM-HMM . MM-HMM . OKAY. JUST TO, JUST TO BE CLEAR, MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT, NOT OKAY. I, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT THE, UH, SENIOR, UH, CENTER NOT TOO LONG AGO, AND ABSOLUTELY, I HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATION WITH THE, WITH THE SENIORS THERE, AND, UH, THEY'RE VERY GOOD, UM, VERY GOOD PEOPLE AND, AND ABSOLUTELY IF THE, UH, CITY'S GONNA MAKE IMPROVEMENTS AND HELP THEM. ABSOLUTELY. I'M ALL FOR THAT. THANK YOU. NO, I JUST [05:00:01] WANNA ADD, I, I, I DO THINK THIS IS A, A GREAT OPPORTUNITY, UH, BUT MORE BECAUSE OF AN INCIDENT THAT OCCURRED WHEN I, WHEN WE WERE DOWN THERE, WE HAD AN INDIVIDUAL THAT WAS CHOKING AND WE MADE THE STAFF AWARE OF IT. INSTEAD OF CALLING 9 1 1, THEY ISSUED A CODE RED TO CALL THEIR, TO CALL THE MAIN OFFICE BEFORE THEY CALLED 9 1 1. AND, AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS A BIG, BIG, UH, POTENTIAL RISK FOR THE CITY, AND ESPECIALLY FOR THE INDIVIDUAL THAT WAS, UH, CHOKING. UH, AND AT THAT TIME, UH, WE HAD SOMEONE THAT WAS A, UH, AIR FLIGHT PARAMEDIC THAT WAS ABLE TO ASSIST. MM-HMM . 9 1 1 DID SHOW UP, BUT I JUST THINK THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING, THERE WERE SOME ISSUES THERE. WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE CALLING THIS OFFICE TO CALL THE OFFICE, THE, THE PRIORITY WAS THEIR, I THINK THEIR, THEIR WHOLE OPERATIONS NEEDED TO BE REVIEWED AT THAT POINT. UH, BECAUSE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SENIORS. MM-HMM . UH, THE AVERAGE AGENT THERE IS OVER 66, MAYBE EVEN, WE HAVE 90 YEAR OLDS IN THERE. YES. WE DO. MY MOTHER-IN-LAW'S IN THERE. MM-HMM . YOU KNOW. YEAH. SO, YOU KNOW, UH, IT, THE, THE, THE FACT THAT WE'RE TAKING IT OVER, THAT WE KNOW OUR RESOURCES, WE KNOW THE OPERATIONS, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WHEN SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPENS, I, I THINK IT, IT'S, IT'S, UM, ALL IN ALL, IT'S, IT'S THE BEST WAY TO APPROACH THIS SENIOR CENTER. OKAY. IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. EVERYBODY I'VE TALKED TO, THERE'S A LOT OF DRAMA THERE. THANK YOU. OKAY. GOT WHAT I NEEDED. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE CONCLUDED, THIS IS THE CONCLUSION OF OUR PRESENTATION. SO IF THERE'S OTHER ITEMS OR OTHER DISCUSSIONS, SOMETHING WE'VE LEFT OUT OR SOMETHING YOU WANNA BRING UP, WE IN, I INVITE THAT RIGHT NOW AND, AND JUST LET US KNOW, OR YOU CAN REACH OUT TO ME ANYTIME BETWEEN NOW AND NEXT TUESDAY. IF YOU HAVE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM WHAT WE DISCUSSED EARLIER. WE'LL, I'LL BE BRINGING BACK A LITTLE BIT OF A MODIFICATION TO THE GENERAL FUND PROPOSAL. WELL, THE, THE PROPOSAL WILL STAY THE SAME AT THE NO NEW REVENUE TAX RATE. AND THEN WE'LL BRING BACK VARIOUS SCENARIOS ON A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION FOR Y'ALL TO LOOK AT THAT WERE ALL MENTIONED BY THE VARIOUS COUNCIL MEMBERS. SO WE'LL BRING THAT BACK AND IT'LL BE AN ITEM THAT WE WILL ATTACH TO SETTING THE MAXIMUM TAX RATE ITEM ON. UH, WE WILL, SINCE WE ARE SETTING A TAX RATE THAT'S DIRECTLY RELATIVE TO THE GENERAL FUND, WE CAN HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ON THE ITEMS THAT IMPACT THAT RE THAT TAX RATE. SO WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO YOU ON TUESDAY. SO LIKE THE MAYOR RECOMMENDED, TAKE A LOOK AT THAT LIST, MAKE SURE THERE'S NOTHING THAT YOU'VE, YOU DIDN'T SEE OR, OR, OR SOMETHING ELSE POPS IN YOUR MIND. FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT TO ME IF YOU GOT QUESTIONS. AND, UM, AND THEN ALSO BRING IT TO NEXT TUESDAY. JUST ONE MORE THING ON THE, UH, THE TWO POTENTIAL ITEMS THAT WE DISCUSSED, UH, ARE THERE GONNA BE RESOLUTIONS FOR THE COUNCIL TO REVIEW, UH, TO VOTE ON BEFORE THE, WE TAKE THE TAX RATE INTO CONSIDERATION? NO, ULTIMATELY THE SENIOR CENTER, AND SO FOR THE, THE SENIOR CENTER, THE CONTRACT WILL JUST LET IT EXPIRE. SO THAT'LL BE, IF YOU ADOPT THE BUDGET, THE, THAT THE REQUEST WILL BE AS PART OF THE BUDGET. AND SO GRAYSON ONE WILL, I MEAN, I'M SORRY, THE SISSON ONE WILL HAVE TO BRING BACK, UM, TO, FOR COUNCIL TO APPROVE THE, UM, DISSOLVING OF THE ALLIANCE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. YES SIR. ALRIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. UH, IT IS 2 43. I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU ALL FOR THE INFORMATIVE INFORMATION AND WE'LL SEE YOU ALL ON TUESDAY. WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 2 43. THANK YOU. AND THANK, AND, AND MAYOR, JUST REALLY QUICKLY, I WANNA GIVE KUDOS TO THE STAFF. EVERYBODY PUT A BUNCH OF WORK INTO THIS TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN, SO I WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT AND THE GOOD JOB THEY DID. SO, NO, DEFINITELY. YEAH. NUMBERS ARE VERY COMPLICATED AS YOU CAN SEE. YES. YOU KNOW, MY MINE IS GOING OVER HERE. AND WHAT ABOUT THIS NUMBER? AND, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T ADD UP. IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION FOR US, BUT UNTIL YOU EXPLAIN IT, . BUT THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU ALL TO, TO THE STAFF. THANKS STEVE FOR PUTTING ALL THIS TOGETHER. AND AGAIN, WE STAND, ADJOURN. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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