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[1. CALL TO ORDER]
I'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL THIS MEETING OF THE SHIRTS PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO ORDER.[2. SEAT ALTERNATE TO ACT IF REQUIRED]
ALTERNATES TONIGHT, WHICH SEES WHAT YOU GET.WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO THE HEARING OF RESIDENTS.
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP? NOPE.
[4. CONSENT AGENDA:]
ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA IS THE MINUTES FROM THE NOVEMBER 5TH REGULAR MEETING.ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS? IF NOT, I'LL UNDERSTAND A MOTION.
MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA A SECOND AS A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA BY COMMISSIONER MCMASTER.
NO OTHER COMMENTS, PLEASE VOTE.
CAN WE PUBLISH THAT? THAT MOTION CARRIES.
[A. PLZC20250240 - Hold a public hearing and make a recommendation on a zone change request for approximately 44 acres of land from General Business District (GB) to approximately 22 acres as Single-Family Residential District (R-2) and approximately 22 acres as Single-Family Residential District (R-6), generally located approximately 1,412 feet west of the intersection of Eckhardt Road and Green Valley Road, also known as Guadalupe Property Identification Number 67959 and 64006, City of Schertz, Texas. ]
A-P-L-Z-C 2 0 2 502 4 0.HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON A ZONE CHANGE REQUEST FOR APPROXIMATELY 44 ACRES OF LAND FROM GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT GB TO APPROXIMATELY 2022 ACRES AS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT R TWO AND APPROXIMATELY 22 ACRES AS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT R SIX GENERALLY LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 1,412 FEET WEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF ECKERD ROAD AND GREEN VALLEY ROAD, ALSO KNOWN AS GUADALUPE CA.
GUADALUPE PROPERTY IDENTIFICATION NUMBER 6 7 9 5 9 AND 6 4 0 0 6.
CITY OF SHIRTZ, TEXAS, DAISY, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.
A REASON REQUEST FOR APPROXIMATELY 44 ACRES TO R TWO AND R SIX DAISY MARQUEZ SENIOR PLANNER.
HERE'S THE SUBJECT PROPERTY OUTLINING IN GREEN.
UM, IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
IT IS UNDEVELOPED TO THE NORTH.
WE HAVE THE HOMESTEAD, PDD AND SOME OTHER GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT PROPERTIES.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE BEEN IN THAT AREA, HOMESTEAD IS CURRENTLY BEING DEVELOPED AND YOU CAN SEE HOMES GOING UP.
WE STILL HAVE SOME PORTIONS THAT ARE UNDEVELOPED.
SO THE SOUTH, WE HAVE GREEN VALLEY ROAD RIGHT AWAY.
AND THEN, UM, THAT AREA OUTSIDE OF CITY LIMITS IS ACTUALLY CITY OF SLO ETJ AND THEN TO THE EAST WE HAVE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT R TWO, AND THAT IS THE ACKERMAN SUBDIVISION.
WE SENT OUT 47 PUBLIC NOTICES ON NOVEMBER 19TH AND WE HAVE ONLY RECEIVED TWO RESPONSES.
ONE IN FAVOR AND ONE IN OPPOSITION.
AND WE WILL BE POSTING A PUBLIC NOTICE IN THE SAN ANTONIO EXPRESS NEWSPAPER.
BEFORE CITY COUNCIL, WE DID NOTIFY THE SCHOOL DISTRICT OF THE ZONE CHANGE REQUEST AND TWO SIGNS WERE PLACED ON THE PROPERTY BY THE APPLICANT.
SO AGAIN, HERE'S THE ZONE CHAIN REQUEST.
UM, IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
IT IS A TOTAL OF 44 ACRES AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO SPLIT IT 22 ACRES AS R TWO AND ANOTHER 22 ACRES AS R SIX.
SO HERE ARE THE DIMENSIONAL AND DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS FOR WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED AND, UM, WHAT IS EXISTING.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCES, UM, R TWO AND R SIX, R 70 BY ONE 20 LOTS AND 60 BY ONE 20 LOTS.
SO THAT'S THE BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE R TWO AND R SIX.
AND THEN AGAIN, IT IS A MAJOR DIFFERENCE FROM A COMMERCIAL TYPE OF ZONING THAT WOULD REQUIRE AT LEAST 10,000 SQUARE FEET.
AND THEN UDC SECTION 2 0 1 5 4 D FOR THE CRITERIA OF APPROVAL, WHETHER THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE IMPLEMENTS THE POLICIES OF ADOPTED COMP PLAN.
SO THE COMP PLAN DOES HAVE THIS WHOLE AREA DESIGNATED AS COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AND AS YOU'RE FAMILIAR, IT REQUIRES A DIFFERENT TYPE OF HOUSING, LOCAL, NEIGHBORHOOD, COMMERCIAL AND SUPPORTING USES.
SO THE PROPOSED R TWO AND R SIX ZONING DISTRICTS ARE VERY SIMILAR TO THE EXISTING USES IN ZONING IN THE AREA.
SO THIS IMPLEMENTS THE POLICIES IN THE INTENT OF THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOOD.
TWO, WHETHER THIS ZONE CHANGE PROMOTES HEALTH SAFETY IN GENERAL WELFARE.
AND AGAIN, THE DIMENSIONAL AND DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS FOR R TWO AND R SIX R 70 BY ONE 20 AND 61, 1 20.
AND THEY'RE COMPATIBLE WITH THE MEDIA AREA.
UM, KIND OF JUST PICKING AT THE HOMESTEAD, PDD, THOSE ARE 55 BY ONE 20 LOTS, 65 BY ONE 20 LOTS AND TOWN HOMES.
AND THEN THE ACKERMAN SUBDIVISION IS R TWO, SO 70 BY ONE 20 WHAT THE APPLICANT IS, UM, PROPOSING.
AND OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT DID REVIEW THE TRAFFIC SUMMARY SUBMITTED WITH THE ZONE CHANGE AND UM, THEY CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT THE PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL ZONING IS LESS INTENSE THAN THE EXISTING ZONING.
UM, THUS IT WOULDN'T INCREASE TRAFFIC IN THE AREA.
AND THREE, WHETHER THE USE IS PERMITTED BY THE PROPOSED CHANGE WILL BE CONSISTENT AND APPROPRIATE WITH THE EXISTING USES IN THE MEDIA AREA.
AGAIN, UM, THE AREA ALLOWS FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND THEY'RE PROPOSING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND EVEN THE HOMESTEAD.
PDD IS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL WITH LOWER
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DENSITY MULTIFAMILY TOWN HOMES AT 12 UNITS PER ACRE.SO WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED TONIGHT IS CONSISTENT WITH THIS EXISTING USES IN THE MEDIA AREA.
AND FOUR STAFF HAS ENSURED THAT THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE MEETS THE UDC REQUIREMENTS.
WE DID NOTIFY THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND WE DID NOTIFY FIRE EMS AND POLICE AND EMS DID NOT HAVE SPECIFIC CONCERNS ABOUT THE ZONE CHANGE, BUT THEY DID WANNA NOTE THAT AN INCREASE IN POPULATION WILL INCREASE CALL VOLUMES, WHEELCHAIR, REQUIRE MORE EFFORTS TO COVER THE ADDED CALL VOLUMES.
AND DUE TO THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE, IMPLEMENTING THE POLICIES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, FEATURE LINE, USE MAP, AND THE COMPATIBILITY WITH THE USES IN THE MEDIA AREA, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF PLZC 20 25 0 2 4 0 AND THEN THE APPLICANT DOES NOT HAVE A PRESENTATION.
BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR THEM, UM, THEY'RE HERE.
ALL RIGHT, WELL THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE FLOOR.
ANYBODY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? OKAY, WELL IT'S STILL 6 0 6.
COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS? NO, I HAVE ONE QUESTION, DAISY.
SO, UM, WITH SB 15 HAS, HAS SHIRTS IMPLEMENTED ANYTHING IN THE DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR IF SOMEONE WANTS TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE, THE ABILITY TO DO THE 3000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS OR SO? I'M JUST GONNA TELL YOU STRAIGHT UP FRONT, WE HAVEN'T LOOKED INTO SB 15 AND I AM NOT KNOWLEDGEABLE TO SPEAK ON THAT.
SO WE HAVEN'T MADE ANY UDC CHANGES OR LOOKING TO MAKE ANY UDC CHANGES FOR THAT.
SO IF SOMEONE APPROACHED AND SAID, HEY, I'M ZONED FOR SINGLE FAMILY, I MEAN THERE WOULDN'T BE, THERE'S NOT A PROCESS YET IN TERMS OF OKAY, WE'RE GONNA ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.
EVERYTHING IS THE SAME AS IT HAS BEEN.
UM, COULD WE SEE THE, UM, THE ZONE MAP AGAIN AND, UM, WELL ACTUALLY A COUPLE, WELL YEAH, THIS ONE WILL WORK, UM, FOR THE APPLICANT.
UH, HAVE YOU, CAN YOU GIVE US SOME IDEA OF THE, HOW YOU PLAN ACCESS TO THE SITE? GOOD EVENING.
UM, AS FAR AS ACCESS RIGHT NOW, WE KNOW THAT GREEN VALLEY PRO PROVIDES ACCESS AND THEN WE'RE ALSO, UH, WORKING, UM, TO COMPLETE OUR PORTION OF THE SCHWAB ROAD.
SO YOU'LL HAVE TWO POINTS OF ACCESS THERE.
AND THEN IS OUR PLAN, THAT PLAN ON HERE? NO.
SO LET ME GIVE YOU JUST A, AN IDEA.
ON GREEN VALLEY WE HAVE AN ACCESS POINT AND THEN ALSO WHERE ACKERMAN STUBBS IN, WE ALSO HAVE A STU THERE.
AND THEN ON THE LEFT HAND PORTION THAT GETS ACCESS FROM THE SCHWAB ROAD.
SO BASICALLY, I GUESS SCHWAB ROAD WILL BISECT YOUR CORRECT.
AND, AND THE ONLY REASON I ASK IS BECAUSE ON ONE OF THE SLIDES IT TALKED ABOUT GATED COMMUNITY.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE PLANNING? NOT AT THIS TIME.
I MEAN I GUESS THAT'S ALLOWED.
MAYBE IT MAY, IT IS ALLOWED TRUCK, YEAH, ALLOWED.
AS, AS RETIRED FARM MARSHAL, I WAS PRETTY MUCH OVER GATED COMMUNITIES, BUT YEAH, IT'S ALL ABOUT ACCESS.
OKAY, ALRIGHTYY, WELL THANK YOU.
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, MOTIONS, MR. CHAIRMAN? UM, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PLZC 20 25 0 2 4 SECOND.
THAT IS A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PZ C 2 2 502 BY COMMISSIONER OUTLAW, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CARBON.
NO OTHER COMMENTS, PLEASE VOTE.
CAN WE PUBLISH THAT? THAT MOTION CARRIES ALL.
[A. Requests by Commissioners to place items on a future Planning and Zoning Agenda]
FOR FUTURE AGENDAS BY COMMISSIONERS? NO.[B. Announcements by Commissioners City and community events attended and to be attended Continuing education events attended and to be attended]
I GOT ONE.MS. CROW LAW, YOU OR FIRST? GO AHEAD.
OH, NO, I, THAT'S A LEFTOVER HABIT, JOHN.
SO THIS MONTH, UH, EVERY YEAR IT USED TO BE ROCK AND ROLL TIME FOR IN SAN ANTONIO WHERE THE MARATHON WOULD GO ON, AND SAN ANTONIO HAS TAKING THAT OVER.
AND, UH, AMONG THE OTHER CRAZY PEOPLE OUT THERE THIS WEEKEND, I'LL BE OUT THERE RUNNING THE HALF MARATHON.
AND I WANNA WISH ANYBODY WHO IS DOING THAT GOOD BEST OF LUCK AND, AND SAFE IN HEALTH AND,
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UM, AND FOR THE PEOPLE WHO STAND ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD AND, AND CHEER FOR US.UM, I ALSO WANTED TO ANNOUNCE THAT, UH, CITY COUNCIL PLACED SEVEN ELECTION STARTED TODAY THROUGH THE 16TH, AND ELECTION DAY WILL BE THE 20TH.
UH, YOU CAN VOTE AT ELBEL AND SINE, UH, THE HOURS FOR ELBEL ARE EIGHT TO FIVE.
THE ONLY SATURDAY VOTING WILL BE ACTUALLY ON THE ELECTION DAY, THE 20TH OF DECEMBER.
AND THEN I WANTED TO SAY HAPPY HOLIDAYS.
MERRY CHRISTMAS, HAPPY HANUKKAH, WHATEVER YOU CELEBRATE TO THE CITY STAFF.
YOU GUYS DOING A PHENOMENAL JOB AND I WANT YOU TO ENJOY YOUR BREAK OFF BECAUSE, UH, YOU'RE GOOD PEOPLE.
AND SO MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU ALL AND EVERYONE ON THE STAFF 'CAUSE WE WON'T SEE EACH OTHER UNTIL AFTER THE NEW YEAR.
SO I JUST WANTED TO APOLOGIZE TO MY, UH, COLLEAGUES FOR MISSING LAST MONTH'S MEETING.
IT WAS, UH, AN UNEXPECTED FIVE DAY EXTENSION OF MY TRIP TO BIG BEN.
I, I WAS FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HAVE SOME, UH, INTERNET.
I WATCHED THE, UM, I WATCHED THE MEETING STREAM ON YOUTUBE AND UM, VERY INTERESTING, BOTH, BOTH ARGUMENTS ON BOTH SIDES.
SO ONCE AGAIN, I HAD FULLY INTENDED TO BE HERE, BUT UM, THE MOTOR HOME HAD OTHER IDEAS, SO, WELL, WE ARE GLAD THAT YOU'RE BACK.
[C. Announcements by City Staff. City and community events attended and to be attended.]
STAFF? IT'S GOOD TO HEAR THAT LY STAFF GETS SOME TIME OFF AT THE HOLIDAYS TOO.I WAS NOT AWARE OF THAT, BUT OKAY.
HOPEFULLY LEAVE AN HOUR EARLY ONE DAY.
UM, SO REAL QUICK, UH, THE, THE KIND OF ANNOUNCEMENT HAVE FOR YOU GUYS IS JUST REALLY AN UPDATE.
UM, YOU MAY RECALL THAT THIS LAST YEAR, THE EARLIER IN THE YEAR, THE, UH, STATE LEGISLATURE WAS IN SESSION.
UM, AND FROM THAT WE GET NEW LAWS, CHANGES TO LAWS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
AMONG THE MANY LAWS THAT AFFECT KINDA WHAT WE DO, HOW WE DO IT WAS ONE THAT AFFECTS THE MAKEUP OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
AND YOU MAY RECALL THAT YOU GUYS GENERALLY MEET A COUPLE TIMES A YEAR UNLESS WE'RE DOING AN UPDATE FOR THE SEMI-ANNUAL REPORT.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE THE LAW HAD SAID THAT YOU CAN ESSENTIALLY USE YOUR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO SERVE THAT ROLE.
AND THAT YOU REALLY JUST NEED ALSO A REP.
ONE OF THE ONE, YOU NEED A REP THAT IS, UH, INVOLVED IN THE REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT OR BUILDING INDUSTRIES.
AND THEN IF YOU CHARGE THOSE FEES TO PROPERTIES IN THE ETJ, YOU NEED SOMEBODY WHO LIVES IN THE ETJ AS THAT REP.
AND SO WE HAVE BRIAN JONES, THE REALTOR REP, AND THEN WE HAVE, UH, DR.
WELL, ONE OF THE CHANGES THAT CAME ABOUT WAS STATE LAW IS THEY CHANGED THAT THE LEGISLATURE DOESN'T WANT US USING OUR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO FILL THAT ROLE ANYMORE.
AND SO WHAT THEY DID IS THEY CHANGED IT TO SAY, UH, NOW IT HAS TO BE NOT LESS THAN FIVE PEOPLE.
SO YOU CAN HAVE FIVE OR MORE FOLKS SERVE IN THAT ROLE AND THAT NOT LESS THAN 50% OF THOSE MEMBERS, UH, HAVE TO BE FROM THE REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT OR BUILDING COMMUNITY.
AND THEY CAN'T BE EMPLOYEES OR OFFICIALS OF THE CITY.
SO IT CAN'T BE CITY STAFFS, IT CAN'T BE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT APPOINTED, UH, BOARD COMMISSION MEMBERS CAN, CAN FILL THAT ROLE STILL, YOU DON'T FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY.
BUT WHAT THAT MEANS THOUGH, UM, IS WE REALLY NEED TO REDO HOW WE'RE DOING IT IN PART BECAUSE WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS KEEP P AND Z AS IT, AND THEN BASED ON THE NUMBER OF YOU GUYS WHO ARE INVOLVED IN EITHER THE REAL ESTATE, THE DEVELOPMENT OR BUILDING INDUSTRIES, THEN I'VE GOTTA ADD A WHOLE BUNCH MORE FOLKS.
SO I'VE GOT THIS COMMITTEE OF A DOZEN PEOPLE NOW, OR 15 PEOPLE AND IT'S HARD TO GET A QUORUM.
UM, THAT BECOMES THE CHALLENGE.
AND SO THE, THE THOUGHT WOULD BE IS WE'RE GONNA IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE LAW, WE'RE GONNA CHANGE THAT.
SO WE'LL KEEP, THE THOUGHT WOULD BE TO KEEP SHOR AS THE ETJ REP.
YOU FAMILIAR WITH, THEY'VE BEEN DOING IT.
KEEP BRIAN JONES, HE FILLS ONE OF THE REAL ESTATE POSITIONS.
I BELIEVE WE HAVE A COUPLE OF YOU GUYS WHO ARE INVOLVED IN THE REAL ESTATE INDUSTRY AND CAN FILL THAT ROLE.
AND THEN THE THOUGHT WOULD BE IS MAYBE WE GET, UH, ONE OR TWO OTHERS TO GO WITH FIVE OR SIX.
AND WE THINK WHAT WE CAN DO IS BETWEEN, UM, HOR AND BRIAN JONES AND THEN OUR, WHAT HAPPENS TO BE OUR MAKEUP ON THE COMMISSION.
NOW THOSE INDIVIDUALS, BUT IT WOULD JUST BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IN THAT IT WOULDN'T BE PNZ.
AND SO SOME OF YOU WHO ARE NOT INVOLVED IN THE REAL ESTATE BUILDING OR DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE THE ONES TO NOT BE UNLIKELY.
A COUPLE OF YOU GUYS STILL WOULD BE, BUT THE IDEA WAS TO KEEP IT SMALL, FIVE OR SIX TO TO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT AND TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THE QUORUMS. UM, WE'LL PROBABLY WORK WITH FOLKS ON SCHEDULES.
WE MAY STILL DO THOSE MEETINGS AT FIVE O'CLOCK ON WEDNESDAY.
BUT RATHER THAN KIND OF, OF HOW IT DOES NOW BECAUSE IT'S PNZ, WE SORT OF FLUIDLY ROLL.
IT'LL BE SORT OF A, A START WITH A HARD STOP TO HIT THE START OF PNZ, RIGHT? AND
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WE'LL HAVE TO ADJUST FROM THERE.UH, BUT IF THE MAJORITY ON PNZ, WE KNOW IT WORKS FOR THE OTHER TWO ON WEDNESDAYS, UH, WE MAY COME IN A LITTLE BIT EARLY, LIKE FIVE O'CLOCK, FIVE 30 OR ADJUST THE PNC MEETING BACK.
HOW DID THEY DEFINE INVOLVED WITH REAL ESTATE BY THE STATE? YEAH, SO IT, IT BECOMES THERE, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT VAGUE.
YOU GOT A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY.
I WILL SAY THIS, WHAT OUR POSITION WOULD BE IS THAT WE WOULD WANT A REAL CLEAR CONNECT THAT THEIR PROFESSION, THEIR JOB IS WITH THAT, RIGHT? SO IF I'VE GOT A REALTOR, A LICENSED REALTOR, THAT'S WHAT YOU DO FOR A JOB.
IF YOU WORK FOR A BUILDER, THAT'S A PRETTY CLEAR ONE.
IF YOU WORK AS A DEVELOPER AND GO, I DEVELOPED THIS PROJECT, THIS PROJECT, THIS PROJECT, WHETHER HERE OR SOMEWHERE ELSE, THAT'S PRETTY CLEAR.
WE WILL LIKELY STRETCH THAT DEFINITION AND PUSH THE LIMIT ON IT.
WE'LL GO WITH A FAIRLY SAFE COIN.
WE ALL AGREE THEY MEET THIS REQUIREMENT BECAUSE WHAT WE TEND TO FIND, AND I TEND TO FIND WITH IMPACT FEES IS SOME OF IMPACT FEES IS VERY COMPLICATED, VERY CONFUSING, RIGHT? YOU RARELY HAVE HAD PEOPLE STAND UP AND SAY, I HAVE ISSUES WITH THE METHODOLOGY OF THE STUDY, RIGHT? MOST TIMES PEOPLE SHOW UP, IT'S JUST, WHAT'S THE DOLLAR AMOUNT? THAT SEEMS HIGH, THAT SEEMS LOW, RIGHT? AND SO WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS HAVE SOMETHING THAT FOLKS CAN LATCH ONTO AND SAY, BECAUSE THEY DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND THE FUNDAMENTAL ISSUE, I'M GONNA TRY TO CLOUD THE ISSUE AND SAY, WELL, ARE THEY REALLY IN THOSE? SO THAT'S THE ANSWER.
THAT'S HOW WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT IT.
NOW AGAIN, WE'LL MAKE SURE THE CITY ATTORNEY IS GOOD WITH IT.
UM, IF THAT, IF THAT KIND OF MAKES SENSE.
IT DOES, BUT THERE'S NOT, THERE'S NOT A CLEAR DEFINITION.
IT SAYS WHAT IT SAYS THE ISSUE WOULD BE IS IF SOMEBODY WERE TO CHALLENGE US, TAKE US TO COURT, WE'VE GOTTA BE ABLE TO DEFEND IT.
WE WOULD RATHER BE ABLE TO DEFEND IT PRETTY EASILY THAN, THAN HAVE A STRETCH THAT THIS PERSON'S A DEVELOPER BECAUSE THEY DID A, THEY, I DON'T KNOW, THEY BUILT A SHED IN THEIR BACKYARD 20 YEARS AGO AND THAT COUNTS, RIGHT? NOT THAT WE WOULD, BUT WE, WE WANT THAT AS A PRETTY CLEAR THING.
UM, AND, AND I THINK THE MOST OBVIOUS FOR MOST PROBABLY SMALLER COMMUNITIES IS GONNA BE, UH, REALTORS.
YOU KNOW? 'CAUSE IT'S A PRETTY CLEAN, EASY TO DEFINE.
AND, AND NOT THAT THERE ARE A TIME A DOZEN, RIGHT? DON'T GET ME WRONG.
BUT WE, WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE LAST TIME WE REALLY HAD A DEVELOPER OR BUILDER SIT ON A BOARD OF COMMISSION.
WE OCCASIONALLY DO, BUT IT'S, IT, IT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A FAIR NUMBER OF REALTORS WHO ENGAGE IN THE COMMUNITY AND THAT'S GREAT.
I GUESS GOING FORWARD WHEN WE LOOK FOR INDIVIDUALS TO FILL P AND Z ROLES, WE MAYBE WANT TO HAVE INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE THAT BACKGROUND FILL IN THAT KIND OF REALTOR OR REAL ESTATE BUBBLE FOR US, BECAUSE THEN IT WOULD BE HARDER FOR INDIVIDUALS TO HAVE THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS KIND OF MEETINGS AND YEAH.
AND THEN SECOND, UH, DID THE, DID THE STATE COME UP WITH ANY WAY TO MAYBE TRAIN INDIVIDUALS TO BE QUALIFIED TO, TO MAKE, MEET THAT NEW REQUIREMENT? UH, IT SOUNDS LIKE, UH, THERE WOULD BE SOME TYPE OF COURSE OR SOME TYPE OF CERTIFICATION THAT THE STATE WOULD SAY, HEY LISTEN, IF THEY WENT THROUGH THIS AND YOUR CITY PAID FOR IT, THEN THAT WOULD MEET THE INTENT OF THE NEW LAW.
SO TO THE, TO THE SECOND QUESTION, NO, THE STATE DIDN'T DO THAT.
AND I'LL GIVE YOU WHAT MY OPINION IS.
AND THIS IS JUST MINE BASED ON WATCHING SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE, UH, HEARINGS ON THIS, RIGHT? SO WHAT I THINK, I THINK THE CRITICISM TO THE LEGISLATURES FROM THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY WAS, IS HEY PLANNING ZONING COMMISSIONS IN THESE CITIES, THEY'RE FILLED WITH RESIDENTS WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT IN THEIR COMMUNITY.
AND OCCASIONALLY WE HAVE BUILDERS OR DEVELOPERS THERE, RIGHT? BUT INHERENTLY THEY'RE NOT KIND OF ON OUR SIDE.
THEY TEND TO TAKE AN ADVERSARIAL ROLE.
I MEAN, EVEN AS YOU THINK ABOUT HOW WE FRAME THIS DISCUSSION, RIGHT, SOMEBODY'S GOTTA PAY FOR THIS INFRASTRUCTURE.
DO YOU WANT IT TO BE NEW DEVELOPMENT OR DO YOU WANT IT TO BE EXISTING RESIDENTS AND BUSINESS? AND FRANKLY, WHAT WE TEND TO GET FROM YOU GUYS WHO TEND TO BE EXISTING RESIDENTS AS BUSINESSES IS YEAH, HEY, NEW DEVELOPMENT NEEDS TO PAY ITS WAY.
I THINK THE INTENT OF THIS LAW WAS TO HAVE THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT IF YOU CONSIDER THERE TO BE MULTIPLE SIDES VERSUS EVERYBODY WORKING THE SAME THING REPRESENTED.
AND THAT WAS THE FUNDAMENTAL REASON TO KNOW THE STATE DOESN'T THINK ABOUT THIS.
I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU, THAT LIKELY WHAT WE WOULD DO IS SAY, UM, YEAH, IF WE'VE GOT A GOOD QUALIFIED CANDIDATE SERVE ON PNC AND THEY HAPPEN TO FILL ONE OF THOSE THREE CATEGORIES OF PROFESSION, THAT PROBABLY GIVES 'EM A LEG UP.
BUT I WOULD LIKELY SAY, AND I'M GONNA BE, AND THIS IS NOT JUST BECAUSE I'M STANDING HERE IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS AND IF YOU SIT ON ANOTHER BORDER COMMISSION, DON'T TELL 'EM I SAID THIS, BUT I MEAN, I THINK P AND Z IS PROBABLY OUR MOST IMPORTANT BORDER COMMISSION IN THE CITY.
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YOU GUYS HAVE THE MOST IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY EDCS KIND OF RIGHT UP THERE TOO.AND SO FOR ME IT'S MOST IMPORTANT THAT WE GET THE BEST QUALIFIED CANDIDATE.
WE GET PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY ENGAGED.
WE GET PEOPLE WHO THINK ABOUT THE ISSUES, RIGHT? WE GET PEOPLE WHO ARE OPEN-MINDED AND LISTEN, WE GET PEOPLE WHO SORT OF SPEAK UP WITH THEIR OPINION.
AND IF THAT MEANS THAT THE FOLKS DON'T HAVE THAT BACKGROUND, I WOULD STILL SAY PUT THE BEST QUALIFIED CANDIDATE ON PNZ.
AND IF IT MEANS THAT OVER TIME WE KIND OF HAVE FEWER PNZ COMMISSIONERS ON THERE, SO BE IT.
I STILL THINK IT'S GOOD TO HAVE AT LEAST A COUPLE OF FOLKS, TWO OR THREE IF WE CAN, WHO ARE ON PNZ BECAUSE I THINK YOU GUYS DEAL WITH THE DEVELOPMENT ISSUES HOW MANY TIMES, AS COMMISSIONER OUTLAW SAID, WE NEED TO DEAL WITH THIS CHALLENGE WE'RE HAVING, THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IS NOT KEEPING UP WITH GROWTH.
AND, AND I THINK IT'S REALLY HELPFUL IF YOU'RE ON CIAC TO UNDERSTAND THAT IMPLICATION.
SO I AGREE WITH YOU IN PRINCIPLE, BUT, BUT I THINK WE'RE ALWAYS GONNA, IF IF THEY ASK STAFF, WE SAYING ALWAYS, WE'RE ALWAYS GONNA SAY GIVE THE BEST CANDIDATE, WHOEVER THAT IS.
AND IF WE GOTTA KIND OF DEAL WITH THE CIAC THING, SO BE IT.
SO BASICALLY THIS WAS DEVELOPER DRIVEN, WORKING FOR DEVELOPERS, WORKING FOR COMMERCIAL CONSTRUCTION.
THAT'S PART OF OUR PROCESS IS WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA PLAN FOR THIS AS FAR AS OUR BIDS CONCERNED.
BUT NOW DEVELOPERS ARE LIKE, WE FEEL WE'RE NOT GETTING ENOUGH EMPHASIS ON OUR SIDE, SO WE KIND OF PUSH THE LEGISLATURE A LITTLE BIT.
IS THAT KIND OF WHAT IT DID? YEAH.
TO TO, TO BE BLUNT, THAT'S, THAT'S IT.
I DON'T, I DON'T EVEN THINK THAT THE LEGISLATORS WOULD DISAGREE WITH THAT.
I THINK THEY WOULD SAY, YEAH, INHERENTLY THE WAY THIS THING WAS SET UP, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE THIS, RIGHT? AND SO THAT'S WHY YOU HEARD A LOT OF THE LEGISLATION THAT CHANGED WAS DRIVEN BY DEVELOPERS SAYING, HOUSING COSTS ARE TOO EXPENSIVE.
IT'S CITY REGULATIONS AND FEES THAT ARE KILLING US ON THIS THING.
AND SO IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE AND YOU LOOK AT WHO TESTIFIES AND YOU WATCH WHERE LEGISLATORS SEEM TO PAY THE MOST ATTENTION, IT TENDS TO BE FOLKS FROM THE DEVELOPMENT INDUSTRY.
NOT WHEN A CITY STAFF PERSON GETS UP THERE OR SOMEBODY FROM TEXAS MUNICIPAL LEAGUE GETS UP THERE.
UM, BUT, BUT THAT'S THE WAY IT WORKS.
AND I DON'T DISAGREE THAT BOTH SIDES NEED TO BE INVOLVED.
I THINK IT'S A VALID ARGUMENT TO SAY, AND I I SAID IT, YOU RAISE THESE FEE FEES UP SUPER HIGH THAT HAS A REAL IMPACT ON AFFORDABILITY OF HOUSING IN YOUR COMMUNITY ABILITY AND SUSTAINABILITY COMMUNITY.
NOW WHAT THE SOLUTION IS FOR THAT, IT'S WHERE WE DISAGREE BECAUSE I THINK EVERYTHING'S GOT PROS AND CONS, RIGHT? YOU'VE HEARD ME SAY THAT THERE'S NO RIGHT ANSWER.
YOU JUST NEED TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION, UNDERSTANDING THE PROS AND CONS AND YOU WORK FOR IT ACCORDINGLY WITH IT.
'CAUSE THAT GOES INTO THE PROCESS WHEN YOU'RE GOING THROUGH, AS FAR AS BID'S CONCERNED, WORKING FOR BASICALLY A SUPPLIER FOR THE BUSINESS FIELD AND HOME CONSTRUCTION, IT COMES DOWN TO, WELL NOW WE WANT TO PAY A LITTLE CHEAPER BECAUSE WE HAVE TO DO THIS INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND SO THEY DO A LOT MORE BIDDING.
I SEE WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM.
I THINK THEY'RE, IT DOES HAVE SOME VALID CONCERNS, BUT WE NEED TO HAVE THE RIGHT PEOPLE IN THE RIGHT PLACE.
AND AND THE LAST THING I'LL SAY REAL QUICK ON THIS, REMEMBER IS I, I THINK WE GO SORT OF ABOVE AND BEYOND EVEN AS I CALLED SOME OF THE REP STAFF PEOPLE TO SAY, HEY, HERE'S HOW WE DO IT.
YOU MAY THINK ABOUT IT, RIGHT? SO WE ALWAYS BOUNCE THIS OFF OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, RIGHT? BECAUSE THEY HAVE A ROLE NOW WE MAKE CLEAR CIAC IS THE RECOMMENDING BODY.
LET'S NOT GET IN LANES AND STEP ON TOES.
BUT WE VALUE WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY.
AND AGAIN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S CITY COUNCIL WHO'S ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE, THEY DECIDE WHAT IT IS AND SET IT UP.
AND SO IT'S A RECOMMENDING ROLE.
SO I THINK THE SYSTEM STILL WORKS FOR US.
JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THERE'S GONNA BE THIS CHANGE.
WE'RE GONNA BE WORKING WITH COUNCIL AND SO LIKELY WOULD IT BE, AND I DON'T WANT PEOPLE'S FEELINGS TO GET HURT.
WE'LL PROBABLY TALK TO THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE THAT, UH, REAL ESTATE BACKGROUND ON THE COMMITTEE ABOUT ARE YOU WILLING TO SERVE ON THIS? IT DOESN'T CHANGE SUBSTANTIALLY.
AND THEN PROBABLY WORK TO MAYBE HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMISSIONERS ON IT.
SO IF YOU HAVE INTEREST IN IT, UH, YOU CAN CATCH ME AFTER THIS AND SAY, YEAH, I'M INTERESTED IF THERE'S A SPOT.
UM, BUT AGAIN, IT'LL MEAN SOME OF Y'ALL WHO DON'T HAVE THAT WOULDN'T BE ON JUST 'CAUSE WE DON'T WANNA GET IT TOO BIG.
ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU BRIAN.
ANY OTHER STAFF ANNOUNCEMENTS? NO.
[A. Current Projects and City Council Status Update ]
INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE IN YOUR PACKETS ABOUT CURRENT PROJECTS AND CITY COUNCIL, UH, STATUSES.AGAIN, HAVE A HAPPY HOLIDAYS EVERYONE.