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[1. CALL TO ORDER]
RIGHT, IT IS SIX O'CLOCK AND WE WILL CALL THIS, UH, MEETING OF THE SURES PLAYING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO ORDER.UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY ALTERNATES TONIGHT, SO IT IS WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT YOU GET.
UH, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE HEARING OF
[3. HEARING OF RESIDENTS This time is set aside for any person who wishes to address the Planning and Zoning Commission. Each person should fill out the Speaker’s register prior to the meeting. Presentations should be limited to no more than three (3) minutes. Discussion by the Commission of any item not on the agenda shall be limited to statements of specific factual information given in response to any inquiry, a recitation of existing policy in response to an inquiry, and/or a proposal to place the item on a future agenda. The presiding officer, during the Hearing of Residents portion of the agenda, will call on those persons who have signed up to speak in the order they have registered.]
RESIDENCE.UH, MR. JESSE GUIANA, YOU WANNA COME ON UP? IF YOU'LL STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
I OWN SEVERAL PROPERTIES ON BECK 9 2 5 9 2 6 9 2 7.
AND I'M HERE TO SHARE MY LONG TERM VISION WITH, UH, SHIRTS.
UM, SO THE VISION IS TO SEE, UH, HOW BRING HOUSING AND COMMUNITY ALONG WITH HEALTH.
UH, MY GOAL IS TO DEVELOP THESE LOTS INTO A CO CO COHESIVE, LIVE, LIVE WORK, TRAIN ENVIRONMENT.
UM, WITH THE CURRENT ZONING, I'VE COME INTO SOME ROADBLOCKS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES, UH, ESPECIALLY WITH LENDING AND BEING ABLE TO GET, UH, FUNDING ON THESE PROPERTIES.
AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THIS COMMERCIAL USE, THE LENDERS ARE SEEING IT AS A PROBLEM.
AND, UM, AGAIN, I'VE SPOKE AT LENGTHS WITH, UH, WILLIAM AND MANY MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, SO THAT WAY WE CAN SEE WHAT CAN BE DONE AND WHICH WAY WE CAN MOVE, UH, CLOSER IN UNION WITH THE CITY TO SAY, OKAY, THIS IS, THIS IS MY GOAL, THIS IS MY VISION.
AND AGAIN, UH, WORK IN TANGENT WITH THE, WITH THE CITY.
ALRIGHT, WELL THAT'S, EVERYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
[4. CONSENT AGENDA:]
WE WILL MOVE ON TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA.UH, IT'S THE MINUTES FROM THE DECEMBER 3RD, UH, MEETING.
WERE THERE ANY COMMENTS ON THAT? WELL, IF THERE'S NO COMMENTS, UH, OR QUESTIONS, IF I CAN GET A MOTION, A MOTION TO PASS THE CONSENT AGENDA.
THAT IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL FROM COMMISSIONER MCMASTER, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HUGHES.
IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS, PLEASE VOTE.
OH, HEY, UH, WE HAVE THE WRONG VOTING SCREEN.
AYE, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, OUTLAW.
UH, AND I'M A AS WELL THAT MOTION CARRIES.
[A. PLSPU20260003 - Hold a public hearing and make a recommendation on a Specific Use Permit to allow a convenience store with gas pumps on approximately 7.8 acres of land, located approximately 51-feet west from the intersection of IH-35 N Access Road and FM 2252, also known as 18920 IH 35 N, more specifically known as Guadalupe County Property Identification Number 114083 and Comal County Property Identification Number 119021, City of Schertz, Comal and Guadalupe County, Texas. ]
ON TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE, UH, P-L-S-P-U 2 0 2 6 0 0 3.HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO ALLOW A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS PUMPS ON APPROXIMATELY 7.8 ACRES OF LAND, LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 51 FEET WEST FROM THE INTERSECTION OF IH 35 NORTH ACCESS ROAD AND FM 2252, ALSO KNOWN AS 1 8 9 2 0 8 IH 35 NORTH, OR SPECIFICALLY KNOWN AS GUADALUPE COUNTY PROPERTY IDENTIFICATION NUMBER 1 1 4 0 8 3 IN COMAU COUNTY PROPERTY IDENTIFICATION NUMBER 1 1 9 0 2 1 CITY SHEZ COOMA IN GUADALUPE COUNTY, TEXAS DAIS.
UH, PROPOSED SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO ALLOW CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS PUMPS ON GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
I'M DEISI MARQUEZ, SENIOR PLANNER.
HERE'S THE SUBJECT PROPERTY OUTLINED IN YELLOW.
IT IS LOCATED ON IH 35, CLOSER TO THE INTERSECTION OF FM 2252.
IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
IT DOES HAVE AN EXPIRED SUP THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED TO ALLOW THEM TO HAVE A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS PUMPS AND THAT IS WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TONIGHT TO NORTH IS THE I 35.
RIGHT OF WAY TO THE SOUTH IS GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT TO THE EAST IS GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AND TO THE WEST IS GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
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YOU.ON JANUARY 22ND, WE SENT OUT EIGHT PUBLIC NOTICES AND WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY UM, RESPONSES.
A SIGN WAS PLACED BY THE APPLICANT ALONG I 35 AND THEN IT WILL BE TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED FOR THE MARCH 3RD, 2026 CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND IT WILL BE POSTED IN THE SAN ANTONIO EXPRESS PRIOR TO CITY COUNCIL.
SO WHY ARE WE HERE TONIGHT? UDC SECTION 2158 REQUIRES THAT AN APPROVED SUP TO ALLOW COMMUNITY STORE WITH GAS PUMPS IN GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT IS APPROVED BEFORE ALLOWING THAT USE.
UM, YOU MIGHT BE THINKING, I HAVE SEEN THIS BEFORE, YOU HAVE UM, ORDINANCE 23 S 32, UM, Y'ALL SAW IT AS PLSP 20 23 0 1 53 WAS APPROVED AT CITY COUNCIL ON JANUARY 9TH, 2024.
UM, THAT SUP DID EXPIRE ON JANUARY 9TH, 2026.
THEY HAD THAT CONDITION THAT THEY NEEDED TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT WITHIN TWO YEARS.
UNFORTUNATELY THEY FELL A LITTLE SHORT, UH, BUT THEY DO HAVE AN APPROVED SITE PLAN FINAL PLA AND THEY WERE REALLY CLOSE TO GETTING THAT BUILDING PERMIT APPROVED.
SO SHORTLY AFTER, IF THIS SEP IS APPROVED, THEY'LL PROBABLY GET THEIR BUILDING PERMITS.
AND HERE'S THE APPROVED SITE PLAN THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
YOU CAN SEE UM, THEY'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH THE SITE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS AND MEETS ALL OF OUR UDC REQUIREMENTS.
SO AGAIN, WHEN LOOKING AT SUVS, WE LOOK TOWARDS SECTION 21 5 11 D IN THE UDC FOR THE CRITERIA OF APPROVAL.
ONE, IF THE PROPOSED USE AT THE SPECIFIED LOCATION IS CONSISTENT WITH THE POLICIES OF THE ADOPTED COMP PLAN AND ANY OTHER ADOPTED PLAN.
SO THIS AREA IS DESIGNATED AS MISUSE CENTER AND THAT'S HIGHER DENSITY H HIGHER DENSITY HOUSING, LOCAL SERVING COMMERCIAL AND RECREATIONAL USES.
AND THIS IS INTENDED FOR, UM, BEING ALONG SIGNIFICANT TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS.
SO THIS PROPOSED SUP IS LOCATED ALONG IH 35 A MAJOR TRANSPORTATION CORRIDOR.
THUS IT MEETS THE INTENT OF THE FUTURE LANGUAGE MAP DESIGNATION AND THEIR ONLY ACCESS POINTS WILL BE ALONG THAT IH 35, UM, FRONTAGE ROAD.
AND TWO, WHETHER THIS USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PURPOSE AND INTENT OF THE APPLICABLE ZONING DISTRICT.
SO THIS PROPERTY AND THE SURROUNDING AREA IS ZONED AS GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, WHICH IS INTENDED FOR RETAIL AND SERVICES TRA ESTABLISHMENTS ALONG THIS PRINCIPAL TRANSPORTATION CORRIDOR.
WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING AT THIS LOCATION MEETS THAT INTENT.
AND THREE, THE PROPOSED USE IS COMPATIBLE WITH AND PRESERVES THE CHARACTER AND INTEGRITY OF THE ADJACENT DEVELOPMENTS AND NEIGHBORHOOD.
AGAIN, THIS IS SURROUNDED BY GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT ZONING AND IT'LL BE REQUIRED TO MEET ALL ARTICLE NINE SITE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS.
AND THEY HAVE ALREADY PROVED THAT THEY HAVE WITH THE APPROVED SITE PLAN AND FOUR, WHETHER THIS WILL FIRSTLY AFFECT THE HEALTH, SAFETY OR GENERAL WELFARE OF THE CITY.
SO THERE'S EXISTING GB IN THE AREA AND THAT THEIR ONLY ACCESS FOR THE PROPERTIES ALONG IH 35 NORTH ACCESS ROAD.
SO WE DON'T SEE THIS AS ADVERSELY AFFECTING THE OVERALL HEALTH OR GENERAL WELFARE OF THE CITY.
AND FIVE, WHETHER OTHER FACTORS ARE DEEMED RELEVANT AND IMPORTANT IN THE CONSIDERATION OF THIS SEP.
ALL YOU RECEIVE REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN MET FOR THIS PROPOSED APPLICATION.
THE CITY OF SHES FIRE EMS AND POLICE DEPARTMENTS HAVE REVIEWED THIS SEP APPLICATION AND DO NOT PROVIDE AN OBJECTION.
AND AN SEP FOR THIS PROPERTY FOR THE SAME PROPOSED USE WAS ALREADY APPROVED ON JANUARY 9TH, 2024 AND UNFORTUNATELY EXPIRED JANUARY 9TH, 2026 BEFORE THEY COULD OBTAIN THEIR BUILDING PERMIT.
SO STAFF IS, UM, PROPOSING THAT THE PROPOSED SPECIFIC USE PERMIT MEETS THE INTENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE FUTURE LAND USE MAP IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA.
THUS, WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS SUP TO ALLOW CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS PUMPS AT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY CONDITIONED UPON THE FOLLOWING THAT A BUILDING PERMIT IS APPROVED WITHIN TWO YEARS OF THE ADOPTION OF THIS SUP ORDINANCE.
WELL THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING SO WE WILL GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT UP.
IT IS SIX OH EIGHTS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ONCE, TWICE.
ANYBODY? NO, IT'S STILL 6 0 8 UH, COMMISSIONERS.
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS? MR. MC OR ELLA? UM, COULD WE SEE THE SITE PLAN AGAIN? THERE YOU GO.
SO, AND, AND THIS IS JUST NO, I WAS READY TO MAKE A MOTION.
GENERAL CURIOSITY, WE HAVE UM, WE'RE SHOWING I THINK CROSS LOT ACCESS THERE ALONG THE, BUT RIGHT NOW THEY WILL HAVE NO ACCESS FOR FROM 22 FOR TRAFFIC FOR SOUTHBOUND TRAFFIC TO COME OVER AND USE IT.
THAT JUST, UM, YEAH, KIND OF SURPRISES ME THIS KIND OF OPERATION.
UM, THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANTED TO ASK YOU, ANY SIGNIFICANT CHANGES SINCE WE LOOKED AT THIS THE FIRST TIME? NO SIR.
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PROPOSED USE.THEY'RE PROPOSING THE CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS PUMPS AND THEY'RE STILL PROPOSING THAT ADDITIONAL RETAIL SPACE FROM THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UM, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF P-L-S-U-P-L-S-P-U 2 2 6 0 0 0 3 CONTINGENT UPON A BUILDING PERMIT BEING ISSUED WITHIN TWO YEARS.
THAT IS A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR P-L-S-P-U 2 0 2 6 0 0 3 FROM COMMISSIONER OUTLAW.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MASTER.
IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS, UH, PLEASE VOTE.
THAT IS SIX VOTES QUEEN PUBLISHER, THAT MOTION CARRIES.
[B. PLSPU20260006 - Hold a public hearing and make a recommendation on a request for a Specific Use Permit to allow a Truck Terminal on approximately 4.1 acres of land, located approximately 600-feet west of the intersection of Baugh Lane and Schwab Road, also known as 23870 Baugh Lane, more specifically known as Comal County Parcel Identification Number 464879, City of Schertz, Comal County, Texas. ]
ON P-L-S-P-U 2 0 2 6 0 0 0 6.HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND MAKE RECOMMENDATION ON A REQUEST FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO ALLOW A TRUCK TERMINAL ON APPROXIMATELY 4.1 ACRES OF LAND APPROXIMATELY LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 600 FEET WEST OF THE INTERSECTION ABOUT LANE AND SCHWAB ROAD, ALSO KNOWN AS 2 3 8 7 0 B LANE, MORE SPECIFICALLY KNOWN AS COMAU COUNTY PAR IDENTIFICATION NUMBER 4 6 4 8 7 9 CITY OF SHIRTZ, COMAU COUNTY, TEXAS, WILLIAM, GOOD EVENING COMMISSION.
REQUEST FOR PROPOSED TRUCK TERMINAL ON 4.1 ACRES OF LAND.
WILLIAM WILLINGHAM PLANNER FOR YOUR ORIENTATION.
THIS IS A SUBJECT PROPERTIES AERIAL VIEW.
YOU CAN SEE THAT THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY SURROUNDED BY PROPERTIES THAT ARE CURRENTLY ZONED GB.
THIS PROPERTY IS ALSO CURRENTLY ZONED GB.
AND THEN TO THE NORTH HERE WE HAVE THE, THE M1 ZONING DISTRICT.
THIS IS WHERE THE CISCO DEVELOPMENT IS.
AND THEN RIGHT OVER HERE IS THE QT THAT IS EXISTING OUT THERE ALONG SCHWAB ROAD.
AND 35 NOTIFICATION FOR THE PROPERTY.
SIX PUBLIC NOTICES WERE SENT OUT ON JANUARY 23RD, 2026.
WE HAVE RECEIVED ZERO RESPONSES.
A PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE WILL BE PUBLISHED IN THE SAN ANTONIO EXPRESS PRIOR TO THE CITY COUNCIL HEARING AND TWO NOTIFICATION SIGNS WERE PLACED ON THE PROPERTY BY THE APPLICANT.
SO BACKGROUND THE SITE AND CONTEXT.
SO THIS PROPERTY HAD AN SUP, WHICH WAS APPROVED WITH ORDINANCE 23 S 33, WHICH WAS EFFECTIVE ON JANUARY 9TH, 2024.
HOWEVER, WITH OUR ORDINANCES FOR SUVS, AS YOU'VE HEARD BEFORE, THEY EXPIRE WITHIN TWO YEARS IF THERE'S NO BUILDING PERMIT POOLED.
SO WE HAVE SEEN THAT THERE WAS A PRELIMINARY PLAT THAT CAME IN.
WE HAVE A FINAL PLAT THAT WAS APPROVED ON JULY 11TH, 2024.
AND THEN A SITE PLAN WAS CERTIFIED ON NOVEMBER 26TH, 2025 AND A BUILDING PERMIT WAS ENTERED ON JANUARY 8TH, 2026.
BUT THE SUP HAS SINCE EXPIRED.
SO THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN WORKING THROUGH THIS CASE UDC SECTION 2154 D CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL.
THE FIRST BEING WHETHER THE PROPOSED USE AT THE SPECIFIED LOCATION IMPLEMENTS THE POLICIES OF THE ADOPTED COMPREHENSIVE LAND PLAN OR ANY OTHER APPLICABLE PLANS.
SO THIS AREA IS DESIGNATED AS REGIONAL CORRIDOR, WHICH IS INTENDED FOR COMMERCIAL AREAS ALONG MAJOR THOROUGHFARES TO SERVE THE BROADER REGION.
UH, THE SITE IS CURRENTLY ZONED AS GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT WAS IN, WHICH IS INTENDED FOR RETAIL AND SERVICE ESTABLISHMENTS.
AND THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND PLAN IS A GUIDING DOCUMENT FOR THE LONG RANGE VISION OF THE CITY.
AND THE REQUESTED SPECIFIC USE IMPLEMENTS THE POLICIES OF THE ADOPTED PLAN.
TWO, WHETHER THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PURPOSE AND INTENT OF THE APPLICABLE ZONING DISTRICT.
SO AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, IT'S INTENDED FOR RETAIL AND SERVICE ESTABLISHMENTS THAT ARE ORIENTED TOWARDS SERVING THE OVERALL COMMUNITY.
AND THE USE IS LOCATED ALONG THE I 35 CORRIDOR AND IT IS SUPPORTING THE CISCO DEVELOPMENT.
THE PROPOSED USE IS COMPATIBLE WITH AND PRESERVES THE CHARACTER AND INTEGRITY OF ADJACENT DEVELOPMENTS AND NEIGHBORHOODS.
THE TRUCK TERMINAL USE IS SURROUNDED BY GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AND MANUFACTURING DISTRICT M1 TO THE NORTH.
THAT AND ONE DISTRICT IS THE CISCO LOT AND IT'S SUPPORTING THAT USE LOCATED JUST ADJACENT TO THE NORTH.
THUS IT IS PRESERVING THE CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING AREA FOR WHETHER THE PROPOSED USE WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND GENERAL WELFARE OF THE CITY.
AS PART OF PROMOTING THE HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELFARE OF THE CITY SHOULD ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING USES, UTILIZING STANDARDS AND TRANSITIONAL USES TO ALLEVIATE NEGATIVE IMPACTS.
SO THE REQUESTED SPECIFIC USE IS INTENDED TO ALLEVIATE THE PARKING SITUATION THAT'S GOING ON WITH THE CISCO LOT DEVELOPMENT AND THUS IT IS SUPPORTING THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE CITY.
WHETHER OTHER FACTORS ARE DEEMED RELEVANT AND IMPORTANT FOR THE IN CONSIDERATION OF THE REQUEST, ALL UDC REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN MET FOR THE PROPOSED SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.
THERE'S A CERTIFIED PLAN OF THE PROPERTY WHICH HAS MET ALL THE SITE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS OF ARTICLE NINE.
AND THERE'S ALSO AN APPROVED FINAL PLAT, WHICH IS PENDING COUNTY RECOMMENDATION.
SHIRTZ FIRE EMS AND POLICE DEPARTMENTS HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED OF THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT AND HAVE NOT PROVIDED
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ANY OBJECTIONS TO THE REQUEST STAFF RECOMMENDATION DUE TO THE CONSISTENCY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND PLAN AND THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, THE SUPPORT THE USE PROVIDES FOR AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AND CONSIDERING THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED SUP REQUEST STAFF RECOMMENDS A APPROVAL OF PL SPU 2 0 2 6 0 0 0 6 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION.A BUILDING PERMIT IS APPROVED WITHIN TWO YEARS OF THE ADOPTION OF THE SUP ORDINANCE.
THIS IS AGAIN A PUBLIC HEARING, SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT UP.
IT IS STILL SIX 15 AND WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER OUTLAW? WILLIAM, CAN YOU PUT THAT, UM, THOSE DATES BACK UP THERE? YES.
LEMME GET MY DART OUT HERE AND SHARPEN IT UP A LITTLE BIT.
WELL, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED IF, UH OH, SO THE BILLING PERMIT HASN'T BEEN APPROVED? THAT'S CORRECT.
THEY JUST APPLIED FOR IT? YES.
ALRIGHT, I'LL PUT THE DART AWAY.
WELL, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF NO ONE ELSE HAS ANY COMMENTS, ALL GOOD.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF P-L-S-P-U 20 26 0 0 0 6 WITH THE CONDITION THAT A BUILDING PERMIT BE ISSUED WITHIN TWO YEARS.
THAT IS A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS FOR P-L-S-P-U 2 0 2 6 0 0 0 6 FROM COMMISSIONER OUTLAW, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MCMASTER.
UH, THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS, PLEASE VOTE.
CAN WE PUBLISH THAT? THAT MOTION CARRIES.
[C. PLUDC20260015 - Conduct a public hearing, workshop, discussion, and possible action to make a recommendation on amendments to Part III of the Schertz Code of Ordinance, Unified Development Code (UDC), to Article 8 Section 21.8.4 - Home Occupations and Article 16- Definitions. ]
ON.PL UDC 2 0 2 6 0 0 1 15 CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING WORKSHOP DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON AMENDMENTS TO PART THREE OF THESE SHIRTS.
CODE ORDINANCE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE UDC TO ARTICLE EIGHT, SECTION 21.84 HOME OCCUPATIONS AND ARTICLE 16 DEFINITIONS.
WILLIAM GOOD EVENING COMMISSION, PL UDC 2 0 2 6 0 0 1 5 REVISIONS TO UDC, ARTICLE EIGHT HOME OCCUPATIONS AND ARTICLE 16 DEFINITIONS.
SO BACKGROUND ON THE CASE ON JUNE 12TH, 2025, THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE MET AND THEY PASSED HOUSE BILL 24 64.
UPON THAT ADOPTION OF THAT BILL, IT WAS EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY.
AND SO THAT BILL LIMITS THE MUNICIPAL AUTHORITY TO REGULATE WHAT THEY TERM AS NO IMPACT HOME-BASED BUSINESSES.
SO WE IN THE CITY OF SHIRTS HAVE UDC, ARTICLE EIGHT, SECTION 2184 HOME OCCUPATIONS, AND IT CURRENTLY ESTABLISHES CRITERIA AND DEVELOPMENTAL STANDARDS FOR HOME OCCUPATIONS CONDUCTED WITHIN DWELLING UNITS.
AS A RESULT OF THE PASSAGE OF THIS BILL, ARTICLE EIGHT MUST BE REVISED TO COMPLY WITH THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 2 2 9 0.902.
SO THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS INCLUDE INCLUDING AN ALTERNATIVE NAME IN FROM HOME OCCUPATIONS TO ALSO INCLUDE NO IMPACT HOME-BASED BUSINESSES AS DESCRIBED BY THE LGC.
IT ALSO REMOVES LANGUAGES THAT REFERENCES PERMITS, UM, WHICH IS OUTLINED IN THE LGC.
IT REVISES OR ELIMINATES RESTRICTIONS TO BECOME COMPLIANT IN ORDER WITH THE LGC.
SO WE CAN NO LONGER REGULATE THIS ACTIVITY FOR THE MOST PART.
AND IT ALSO REVISES THE DEFINITION OF HOME OCCUPATION IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH THE LGC.
SO THIS IS THE LGC SECTION AND I'LL JUST KIND OF HIGHLIGHT WHAT ARE THE IMPORTANT PARTS HERE.
THIS IS A NO IMPACT HOME-BASED BUSINESS.
AND ESSENTIALLY WHAT THIS AREA IS SAYING IS THAT A NO IMPACT HOME-BASED BUSINESS IS A BUSINESS THAT IS HAPPENING ON SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY AND IT IS BASICALLY NOT BEING ABLE TO SEEN, BE SEEN BY THE PUBLIC FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY.
AND IT'S NOT GENERATING ANY KIND OF NUISANCE LIKE TRAFFIC OR NOISE OR SMELLS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
AND SO WHAT THIS ORDINANCE, UH, LEGISLATION DOES IS THAT, I MEAN, MUNICIPALITY MAY NOT PROHIBIT THE OPERATION OF A NO IMPACT HOME-BASED BUSINESS, WHICH WOULD MEAN THAT WE CANNOT REQUIRE A PERSON TO GET A PERMIT OR ANY OTHER APPROVAL TO OPERATE THAT BUSINESS.
SO IN ORDER TO COMPLY, THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT FIRST INCLUDES THE ADDITION OF A REFERENCE TO NO IMPACT HOME-BASED BUSINESSES PER THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE.
THE SECOND REVISION IS THE ELIMINATION OF 10 CRITERIA, WHICH WERE CURRENTLY EXISTING WITHIN SECTION B.
THOSE WERE ELIMINATED AND WE HAVE ADDED OR REVISED EIGHT OTHER CRITERIA PROPOSED AMENDMENT THE ELIMINATION OF SECTION 2184 C THROUGH 2184 F IN ORDER TO BE COMPLIANT WITH THE TEXAS LGC SECTION 2 29 0.92.
AND SO ESSENTIALLY THESE HAVE JUST BEEN REMOVED BECAUSE THOSE WERE ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAD IN ORDER TO KIND OF CONDITION OR ENFORCE HOW WE WERE ENFORCING THEM, BUT WE CAN NO LONGER ASK FOR THESE PERMITS.
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PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO ARTICLE 16 DEFINITIONS.AND THIS DEFINITION IS REVISED TO COMPLY WITH THE L-G-C-U-D-C SECTION 21 4 7 D CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL FOR UDC AMENDMENTS, WHETHER THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT PROMOTES THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE CITY.
SO TEXAS HOSPITAL 24 64 PROHIBITS MU MUNICIPALITIES FROM ADOPTING AND ENFORCING ORDINANCE THAT PROHIBIT NO IMPACT HOME-BASED BUSINESSES AND PROHIBITS THE REQUIREMENT OF PERMITS.
SO DUE TO THIS CHANGE, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING, OR THEREFORE THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT PROMOTES THE WELFARE OF THE CITY BY CHANGING TO, IN ORDER TO BE IN COMPLIANCE, THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS, OBJECTIVES, AND POLICY OF THE UDC AND THE CITY.
THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT ENSURES THAT DEVELOPMENTAL POLICY WITHIN THE CITY OF SHIRTS COMPLIES WITH THE REGULATIONS ESTABLISHED BY THE STATE OF TEXAS.
THUS THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS OF THE CITY.
THREE, THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT CORRECTS AN ERROR, MEETS THE CHALLENGE OF CHANGING CONDITIONS, OR IS IN RESPONSE TO CHANGES IN STATE LAW.
SO AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, TEXAS HB 24 64 WAS PASSED ON JUNE 12TH AND IT WAS MADE EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY.
SO THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS IN RESPONSE TO THE ADOPTION OF THIS BILL IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH STATE LAW OR WHETHER OTHER FACTORS ARE DEEMED RELEVANT AND IMPORTANT IN THE CONSIDERATION OF THE AMENDMENT.
STAFF HAS ENSURE ALL UDC REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN MET FOR THE PROPOSED UDC CODE AMENDMENTS SHIRTS, FIRE EMS AND POLICE HAVE REVIEWED THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS AND HAVE PROVIDED NO OBJECTIONS AND THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS HAVE ALSO BEEN REVIEWED BY OUR LEGAL WITHOUT ANY OBJECTION.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IN ORDER TO BRING THE UDC IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE POLICIES ESTABLISHED IN TEXAS HOUSE BILL 24 64 ADOPTED ON JUNE 12TH, 2025.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF PL UDC 2 0 2 6 0 0 1 5.
UM, AGAIN, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT UP.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, COMMISSIONERS, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS? GO FOR IT.
UM, WELL FIRST OF ALL, JUST, JUST, UM, LET ME GET THIS OFF MY CHEST.
UH, I IT, I I JUST WONDER WHEN ALL OUR, UM, ILLUSTRIOUS STATE, YOU KNOW, ELECTED STATE OFFICIALS ARE GONNA FINALLY JUST DECIDE TO DO AWAY WITH LOCAL GOVERNMENT ALTOGETHER AND RUN EVERYTHING FROM AUSTIN.
UH, THIS IS JUST ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, I, AND I DON'T KNOW WHO IS COMPLAINING ABOUT THIS ONE.
I UNDERSTAND THE DEVELOPERS 'CAUSE THAT'S MONEY IN THEIR POCKET.
UM, AND I WOULD LIKE TO BE ON RECORD, UH, WITH STAFF THAT I DISAGREE WITH YOU.
I DO NOT THINK THIS AMENDMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS OF THE CITY OF SHIRTZ.
I THINK IT'S CONSISTENT WITH STATE LAW, BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT MATTER TOGETHER.
UM, SO THE STATE LAW SAYS NOT GENERATING ANY ON-STREET PARKING OR INCREASE IN TRAFFIC.
SO HOW DOES SOMEBODY THAT, THAT WANTS TO DO HAIR OR UH, INCOME TAX? IN OTHER WORDS YOU'RE SAYING? UH, I THINK THIS IS ONE PLACE WHERE THE STATE JUST MADE IT WORSE BECAUSE AT LEAST WE WERE ALLOWING THEM TO HAVE, UM, UM, ONSITE CUSTOMERS TO WHERE SOMEBODY AND, AND WE WOULD SAY, NO MORE THAN TWO CARS, NO MORE THAN ONE CAR.
WELL NOW YOU, HOW ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO DO BUSINESS IF THEY, IF, IF, IF WE CAN'T, IF THEY CAN'T GENERATE ON, ON STREET PARKING RHETORICAL QUESTION.
UM, AND I'M SORRY I DIDN'T BRING MY WHOLE PACKET WITH ME TONIGHT, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME AS I WAS READING THROUGH, UH, THERE WAS STILL SOME PROVISION TO THAT THAT THEY HAD TO COMPLY WITH, UH, FIRE AND HEALTH AND THOSE KINDS OF, WELL, UM, IF, IF WE CAN'T, AND, AND THIS HAS BEEN ASKED IN OTHER, UM, IN OTHER SITUATIONS TOO, HOW, HOW ARE WE GOING TO, HOW DO WE KNOW WE NEED TO DO INSPECTIONS IF WE, IF THEY'RE NOT PULLING PERMITS? OKAY.
MAYBE WE'LL GET LUCKY AND ONE OF THE LEGISLATURES WATCHES OUR VIDEOS.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT I, I I REALLY, YEAH.
UM, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS, KIND OF LIKE A MEMO THAT SENT OUT, I SENT OUT TO OUR FLYING CLUB THE OTHER DAY.
IT'S NOT, I DON'T THINK WE REALLY HAVE A CHOICE
ANYBODY ELSE, COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, MOTIONS.
MAKE A MOTION THAT WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR
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P-L-U-D-C 20 26 0 0 1 5.SECOND IS A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL BY COMMISSIONER MCMASTER, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HUGHES.
IF THERE'S OTHER COMMENTS, PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
CAN WE PUBLISH THAT PLEASE? THAT MOTION CARRIES.
[D. PLUDC20260016 - Conduct a public hearing, workshop, discussion, and possible action to make a recommendation on amendments to Part III of the Schertz Code of Ordinance, Unified Development Code (UDC), to Article 4 Section 21.4.3- Notice Requirements.]
MOVING FORWARD, P-L-U-D-C 2 0 2 6 0 0 1 6 CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING WORKSHOP DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION.MAKE RECOMMENDATION ON AMENDMENTS TO PART THREE OF THE SHIRTS, CITY OR THE SURE'S CODE OF ORDINANCE, UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE TO ARTICLE FOUR SECTION 21.43 NOTIF NOTICE REQUIREMENTS.
DAISY, GOOD EVENING COMMISSION.
PROPOSED UDC AMENDMENTS TO ARTICLE FOUR, SECTION 21 4 3 NOTICE REQUIREMENTS.
SO AS PER UDC SECTION 2147 CITY COUNCIL OR AT THE REQUEST OF THE CITY MANAGER OR HIS OR HER DESIGNEE MAY CHANGE OR MODIFY THE UDC TO ESTABLISH AND MAINTAIN SOUND STABLE AND DESIRED DEVELOPMENT.
WHY ARE WE HERE TODAY? UH, THIS UDC AMENDMENT WAS INITIATED BY PLANNING STAFF, BUT WE ARE KIND OF IN THE SAME SITUATION AS WE WERE WITH THE PREVIOUS UDC AMENDMENT.
UM, THE 89TH LEGISLATIVE SESSION RESULTED IN HOUSE BILL 24, WHICH WENT INTO EFFECT ON SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2025.
UM, THIS AFFECTED ALL HOMEROOM MUNICIPALITIES AND HOW THEY NOTICED FOR ZONE CHANGES.
SO THESE ARE THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS, CDC SECTION 2143.
THEY MADE IT SPECIFICALLY CLEAR THAT THE POST-IT NOTICE, ALSO KNOWN AS OUR BEAUTIFUL NOTIFICATION SIGNS CANNOT BE POSTED NOT LATER THAN THE 10TH DAY BEFORE THEY MADE THAT VERY CLEAR.
SO WE MADE THAT AMENDMENT TO REPLICATE WHAT THE LGC SAYS.
WE MODIFIED THE LGC SECTION REFERENCE AND THE LEGISLATURE SPECIFICALLY, UM, INCLUDED THE LANGUAGE THAT THE NOTICE SIGN MUST BE AT LEAST 24 INCHES LONG BY 48 INCHES WIDE.
SO WE TOOK THAT DIRECTLY FROM THE LGC AND UDC SECTION 21 4 7 D IS OUR CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL FOR UDC AMENDMENTS, WHETHER THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT PROMOTES A HEALTH SAFETY AND GENERAL WELFARE OF THE CITY.
SO STAFF PROPOSES UDC AMENDMENTS FROM TIME TO TIME TO PRACTICALLY IMPROVE THE UDC AND TO REMAIN CURRENT WITH STATE LAW CHANGES.
AGAIN, THESE CHANGES COME FROM THE 89TH LEGISLATURE AND WE'RE AMENDING THE UDC TO APPLY WITH THIS TEXAS LGC TO ENSURE, UH, GENERAL WELFARE OF THE CITY AND WHETHER THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS, OBJECTIVES, AND THE POLICY OF THIS UDC AND THE CITY.
AGAIN, THESE ARE IN RESPONSE TO THE TEXAS LGC CHANGES.
WE WANNA REMAIN CONSISTENT AND COMPLIANT.
AND THREE, WHETHER THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT CORRECTS AN ERROR, MEETS THE CHALLENGE OF CHANGING CONDITIONS OR IS IN RESPONSE TO JESUS STATE LAW.
AGAIN, HOUSE BILL 24 CHANGED LGC SECTION 21.0073 AGAIN, SPECIFICALLY STATING THE SIGNS CANNOT BE POSTED NO LATER THAN THE 10TH DAY AND THAT THE SIGNS MUST BE AT LEAST 24 INCHES LONG BY 40 INCHES WIDE.
SO FOUR OTHER FACTORS WHICH ARE DEEMED RELEVANT AND IMPORTANT, THE CONSIDERATION OF THE AMENDMENT.
SO THESE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS ARE AGAIN, INDIRECTLY IN LINE WITH THE CHANGES TO THE INTERNET LEGISLATURE HOUSE BILL 24 THAT WENT INTO EFFECT SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2025.
AND WE DO WANNA NOTE THAT SINCE ITS EFFECTIVE DATE PLANNING STAFF HAS HAD TO CHANGE THE NOTICE SIGN PROCESS TO BE COMPLIANT.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THESE IMAGES OF THE WHITE SIGNS, WE NO LONGER HAVE OUR BEAUTIFUL YELLOW SIGNS, BUT WE WORK SO HARD TO DESIGN.
UM, OUR SIGN SHOP COULD NOT PRODUCE THE SIGNS THAT WERE THE REQUIRED 24 INCHES LONG BY 48 INCHES WIDE.
SO WE HAD TO CHANGE OUR PROCESS.
AND AS PART OF THE ZONE CHANGE PROCESS IN SAP PROCESS, WE PROVIDED APPLICANTS WITH SIGN SHOPS IN THE AREA THAT CAN MEET THIS REGULATION.
AND NOW APPLICANTS ARE REQUIRED TO PURCHASE THE SIGNS THEMSELVES.
AND THEN, UH, THIS UDC AMENDMENT WAS REVIEWED BY THE SHIRTS FIRE EMS AND POLICE DEPARTMENT WITHOUT OBJECTIONS AND IT WENT TO LEGAL FOR REVIEW AND IT DID NOT RECEIVE ANY OBJECTIONS.
THUS STAFF STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF P-L-U-D-C 2 2 6 0 0 1 16 TO REMAIN CONSISTENT WITH THE STATE LAW CHANGES.
THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP THE FLOOR TO COMMENT GOING ONCE.
I'M SORRY IT WAS 6 29 WHEN WE OPENED IT UP, GOING ONCE, TWICE AND WE WILL CLOSE IT.
ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, QUESTIONS? COMMENTS, MR. OUTLAW? NO, JUST, JUST YOUR, YOUR UH, YOUR NORMAL TROUBLEMAKER HERE.
CAN WE GO BACK TO THE, THE RED LINES WHERE YOU HAD THE RED LINES? I'M A LITTLE, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED.
SO SIGN SHALL BE POSTED THE, BY THE APPLICANT NOT LATER THAN THE 10TH DAY BEFORE.
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OKAY.AND OURS WAS 11, SO, UH, OKAY.
SO WE WERE REQUIRING IT A DAY TOO SOON.
THEY, THEY CAN PUT IT OUT SOONER IF THEY WANT TO, RIGHT.
UM, AND THEN, UM, SO I WAS GONNA ASK YOU HOW, HOW BIG OUR SIGNS WERE, BUT YOU, YOU KIND OF ANSWERED THAT QUESTION.
UM, AND, AND HONESTLY, I THINK IN SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE NOTICE SIGNS, UM, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THE, UM, THE APPLICANT HAVING TO PAY FOR 'EM.
SO, BUT TALKING ABOUT THE SIGNS, ARE THERE ANY RESTRICTIONS IN, IN THE NEW, UM, LAW, UM, IN OTHER WORDS, UH, ARE THERE ANY RESTRICTIONS AGAINST THE CITY SPECIFYING SPECIFY THE COLOR AND THE WORDING? NO, SIR.
IT WAS JUST HOW BIG IT NEEDS TO BE AND WHEN IT NEEDS TO BE POSTED.
SO IF I, I, I KNOW WE NEEDED TO DO THIS IN A HURRY, BUT IN THE FUTURE IF WE WANTED TO SAY THEY HAVE TO BE BRIGHT YELLOW WITH, YOU KNOW, DO WE OR, OR IS THAT EVEN AN ISSUE? I MEAN, WE CAN DEFINITELY EVALUATE THAT.
I THINK WE, WE WENT WITH THE WHITE BECAUSE IT OFFERED, UM, A BIGGER OPTION IN SIGN SHOPS THAT COULD ACCOMMODATE, UM, DEVELOPERS WALKING IN.
BASICALLY WE GIVE 'EM A PACKET THAT SAYS THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE SIGN NEEDS TO LOOK AT LOOK LIKE.
THESE ARE ONES WE'VE SPOKEN TO PREVIOUSLY.
SO ONE THE WHITE IS A CHEAPER OPTION FOR THEM SINCE THEY'RE NOW EATING THAT COST.
UM, AND THEN THEY CAN PRODUCE THE WHITE SIGNS FASTER TYPICALLY THAN THE YELLOW.
OKAY, BUT, BUT YOU, SO BUT WE DO SPECIFY WHAT IT HAS TO SAY.
THEY GOT BASICALLY A PICTURE OF THIS IS WHAT THE SIGN HAS TO LOOK LIKE.
OH, IF I COULD MAKE ONE MORE QUICK QUESTION IF YOU, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
ONCE AGAIN, I DON'T THINK WE'RE ONLY MAKING THIS CHANGE BECAUSE THE LAW CHANGED, NOT BECAUSE WE WANTED TO.
SO AGAIN, I TAKE ISSUE WITH THE STATEMENT THAT THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS OF THE CITY OF SHEZ.
UH, MS. BROWN, YOU HAVE SOMETHING? YES.
SO QUICK QUESTION ABOUT, UM, HOW WILL THE CITY KNOW, OR HOW WILL WE ENFORCE KNOWING THAT THE APPLICANT HAS ACTUALLY POSTED THE SIGN? UM, SO AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE PICTURES, WE, WHENEVER WE TENTATIVELY SCHEDULE IT FOR A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DAY, WE TELL THEM HOW TO ORDER THE SIGN AND WE ASK THEM TO SEND US PICTURES AND STAFF WILL ALSO DRIVE OUT THERE.
AND THAT'S HOW WE GET PICTURES OF THESE BEAUTIFUL SIGNS,
AND WE ALSO TELL THEM IF THEY DON'T POST A SIGN AND SEND US PROOF AND WE DON'T SEE IT OUT THERE, WE WILL NOT SEND THEM MAILER.
SO WE WILL, UM, DELAY THEM COMING TO PNZ.
THE, UM, SIGNS MUST BE AT LEAST 24 INCHES LONG.
WAS THAT STRAIGHT FROM THE BILL? THAT IS STRAIGHT FROM THE HOUSE BILL.
SIR, WE UNDERSTAND THE LANGUAGE IS QUITE ODD.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT, TWO BY FOUR, RIGHT? SO I SAY I I JUST, I JUST TOOK DOWN JOHN'S CAMPAIGN SIGN OFF MY, OFF MY FENCE.
AND I THINK THAT WAS, WAS THAT A TWO BY FOUR? I DON'T KNOW.
YEAH, I MEAN IT LOOKED, LOOKING AT THE PICTURES, THEY LOOK LIKE, UM, THEY, THEY'RE PROBABLY A LOT MORE LEGIBLE THAN WHAT ART, WHAT THEY USED TO BE.
THAT WAS ALWAYS AN ISSUE FOR US.
IT WAS HOW COULD WE COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT, THAT PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO READ AS THEY DROVE RATHER THAN HAVING TO STOP.
BUT, UM, MY, UH, COMMENT HAD TO DO WITH LONG AND WIDE BEING THE SAME THING.
THEY REALLY MEAN, THEY REALLY MEAN WIDTH AND HEIGHTS, BUT
THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE POINTING OUT.
WELL, IF THERE'S OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
MAKE A MOTION THAT WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR P-L-U-D-C 20 26 0 0 1 6 SECOND.
THAT IS A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL FROM COMMISSIONER MAYOR MCMASTER.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HECTOR FOR P-L-U-D-C 2 0 2 6 0 0 1 6.
IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS, PLEASE VOTE.
THAT IS SIX VOTES CAN PUBLISH THAT.
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CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING WORKSHOP AND DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO MAKE RECOMMENDATION ON AMENDMENTS TO PART THREE OF THE SHIRT'S.CODE OF ORDINANCES, UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE TO ARTICLE FIVE, SECTION 21.5 0.7 DIMENSIONAL AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND ARTICLE 16 DEFINITIONS.
PUDC 20 26 0 0 2 0 PROPOSED UDC AMENDMENT TO ARTICLE FIVE, SECTION 2157 DIMENSIONAL AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND ARTICLE 16 DEFINITIONS.
SO AGAIN, AS PER UDC SECTION 2147 CITY COUNCIL AT THE REQUEST OF THE CITY MANAGER, HIS OR HER DESIGNEE MAY CHANGE OR MODIFY THE UDC TO ESTABLISH AND MAINTAIN SOUND STABLE AND DESIRABLE DEVELOPMENT.
ON SEPTEMBER 17TH, 2024, CITY COUNCIL HAD A WORKSHOP ABOUT IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE AND THEY HAD A VERY THOROUGH DISCUSSION.
AND AS A RESULT OF THAT WORKSHOP, IT WAS REQUESTED BY CITY COUNCIL TO AMEND THE POOL IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE REQUIREMENTS AND EXCLUDE DECORATIVE PAVERS FROM THE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE DEFINITION.
SO THEY ARE, SO WE ARE PROPOSING TO DIRECTLY AMEND UDC SECTION 2157, BUT MORE SPECIFICALLY, TABLE 2157 A DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.
UM, IT'S LOCATED UNDER THIS TABLE WHERE YOU CAN SEE ALL THE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE REQUIREMENTS AND THE KEY AND WE ARE PROPOSING TO DIRECTLY AMEND KEY K.
UM, PREVIOUSLY WE HAD IT THAT UNLESS SWIMMING POOLS ARE QUI EQUIPPED WITH THE WATER OVERFLOW DEVICE APPROPRIATE FOR SUCH POOL, THEN UM, THE WATER SURFACE COULD BE EXCLUDED FROM THE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE LIMITATIONS.
BUT PER DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL, WE ARE PROPOSING TO DELETE THAT AND JUST LEAVE IT AT SWIMMING POOL.
WATER SERVICE AREAS DO NOT COUNT TOWARD MAXIMUM IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE LIMITATIONS.
AND THEN ARTICLE 16, THE DEF THE DEFINITION FOR IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE.
UM, THERE WAS A THOROUGH DISCUSSION ON THIS, AND AS A RESULT WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS ADDING THAT IMPERVIOUS COVER MEANS IMPERMEABLE SURFACES WHICH PREVENT THE INFILTRATION OF WATER INTO THE UNDERLYING SOIL AND BEDROCKS SUCH AS PAVEMENT, CONCRETE OR ROOFTOPS.
AND NOT TO INCLUDE DECORATIVE PAVERS INTENDED FOR RESIDENTIAL LANDSCAPING PURPOSES THAT ARE NOT USED FOR VEHICULAR TRAVEL.
SO IF SOMEONE USES DECORATIVE PAVERS IN THEIR LANDSCAPING FOR THE RESIDENTS, UM, THEN IT WOULD NOT BE COUNTED TOWARDS THEIR IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE REQUIREMENTS.
SO AGAIN, UDC SECTION 21 4 70 FOR THE CRITERIA OF APPROVAL, UH, THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT PROMOTES THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND GENERAL WELFARE OF THE CITY.
AGAIN, PER UDC SECTION 21 4 70 D CITY COUNCIL HAS THE RIGHT TO REQUEST AMENDMENTS TO THE UDC AND AS A DIRECT RESULT OF THAT SEPTEMBER 17TH, 2024 CITY COUNCIL MEETING, UM, THEY REQUESTED THESE AMENDMENTS AND WE BROUGHT THEM HERE TODAY.
AND TWO, WHETHER THIS AMENDMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS, OBJECTIVES, AND POLICIES OF THE UDC, UM, CITY COUNCIL IS ABLE TO REQUEST UDC AMENDMENT AND THIS AMENDMENT IS A DIRECT RESULT FROM THAT DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL THREE.
WHETHER THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT CORRECTS AN ERROR, MEETS THE CHALLENGE OF CHANGING CONDITIONS OR IS IN RESPONSE TO CHANGES IN STATE LAW.
SO IT IS NOT CORRECT AN ERROR AND IS NOT A RESPONSE TO STATE LAW.
AGAIN, IT'S A DIRECT RESULT OF THAT SEPTEMBER 17TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
AND FOUR OTHER FACTORS THAT ARE DEEMED RELEVANT AND IMPORTANT IN CONSIDERATION OF THIS AMENDMENT.
A WORKSHOP WAS HELD ON IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE AT THE SEPTEMBER 17TH, 2024 CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND THAT WORKSHOP CAN BE VIEWED ONLINE AT THE CITY OF SHORT'S YOUTUBE WEBPAGE.
AND THERE WAS A THOROUGH DISCUSSION ON IMPIOUS COVERAGE REQUIREMENTS, WHY IT'S REGULATED FOR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, AND HOW LONG THE CURRENT SYSTEM HAS WORKED SINCE ITS IMPLE IMPLEMENTATION.
AND, UH, THESE PROPOSED UC AMENDMENTS WERE REVIEWED BY FIRE EMS AND POLICE DEPARTMENT WITHOUT OBJECTIONS AND IT WENT TO LEGAL FOR REVIEW AND THEY DID NOT PROVIDE ANY OBJECTIONS.
SO AGAIN, AS PER UDC SECTION 21 4 7, CITY COUNCIL MAY REQUEST AN AMENDMENT TO THE UDC.
THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS ARE A RESULT OF THE DIRECTION PROVIDED BY COUNCIL FROM THE SEPTEMBER 17TH, 2024 CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP AND STAFF HAS PROVIDED THESE AMENDMENTS.
THUS STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF PL UUD C 2 2 6 0 0 2 0 PER CITY COUNCIL'S DIRECTION.
UH, AGAIN, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO WE WILL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE FLOOR AT SIX THIRTY NINE AND CALL IT AT SIX THIRTY NINE AS WELL.
UM, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS, DAISY.
SO ARE WE INCLUDING A POOL DECK AS IMPERVIOUS COVER STILL? SO THE CONCRETE AREA SURROUNDING THE POOL YES.
UM, WOULD NOT BE COUNTED AS LIKE THE WATER SURFACE AREA, SO THAT WOULD STILL BE COUNTED AS IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE.
UM, AFTER DISCUSSION WITH OUR BUILDING
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OFFICIAL, UM, THEY TAUGHT ME THAT THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THE ELECTRICAL IS.AND THAT'S MAINLY ALL CONCRETE, SO WE'RE STILL GONNA EXCLUDE THAT AREA.
UM, AND THEN THERE WAS, WAS THERE A REASON BETWEEN LIKE THE TIMELINE OF SEPTEMBER 14TH, SEPTEMBER, 2024 TO NOW OR SO? YES.
UM, BECAUSE WE WERE AMENDING, UM, ARTICLE FIVE MM-HMM
FOR THE POOLS, WHICH TOUCHES OUR ZONING.
WE HAD TO CONSULT WITH LEGAL TO SEE WHAT TYPE OF NOTICING WOULD BE REQUIRED.
SO THAT TOOK A BIT OF A WHILE.
UH, THAT'S MY QUESTIONS, MR. OUTLAW RHETORICAL COMMENT.
UH, YOU KNOW, I LOVE THESE THAT, UM, CITY COUNCIL HOLDS A WORKSHOP AND ASKS FOR AN AMENDMENT AND THEN IT COMES TO US.
WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO? THEY ASK FOR IT.
YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS IS AN ONGOING, THIS WHOLE SWIMMING POOL THING STARTED, UM, MANY YEARS AGO.
AND IT'S BECAUSE, UM, WE ALLOW LARGE HOUSES ON RELATIVELY SMALL LOTS AND THEN THE RESIDENT GOES TO PUT IN A SWIMMING POOL AND THEY CAN'T DO THAT WITHOUT BREAKING THE IMPERVIOUS COVER.
UM, AND AGAIN, THE WHOLE IDEA IS, IS WITH, WITH THE WHOLE IMPERVIOUS COVER REGULATION, THE WHOLE IDEA IS TO PREVENT STORM RUNOFF.
AND SO THE, THE MODIFICATION WAS MADE THAT IF YOU PUT SOME KIND OF OVERFLOW DEVICE ON YOUR POOL TO DIRECT THE WATER, I ASSUME TO PERVIOUS COVER, IT WAS OKAY.
AND NOW COUNCIL WANTS TO REMOVE THAT.
SO NOW THE WATER'S JUST GONNA RUN OUT IN THE STREET, RUN DOWN THE GUTTER AND ADD TO OUR STORM WATER PROBLEMS. I'M NOT SURE AGAIN WHERE THAT CAME FROM OR, OR WHY THEY FELT THAT WAS NECESSARY, BUT, UH, AGAIN, THEY ASKED FOR IT.
UM, I WANNA GO BACK TO THE PAVERS BECAUSE I THINK, AS EMILY KNOWS, I HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN THIS, IN THIS WHOLE, WHAT CAN WE USE PAVERS THING FOR? UM, WHY DID WE CHOOSE TO TO LIMIT THEM ONLY TO RESIDENTIAL LANDSCAPING? YES.
WELL HOPEFULLY YOU CAME PREPARED.
HOPEFULLY, HOPEFULLY PREPARED ENOUGH.
SO I THINK, UM, THIS WORKSHOP IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE UNPAVED SURFACES WORKSHOP THAT ALSO WAS TAKEN TO CITY COUNCIL, THERE IS CLEAR DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL THAT THEY DO NOT WANT AUTOMOBILES PARKING DRIVING ON AN UNPAVED SURFACE, WHICH IN R CODE IS STRICT CONCRETE OR ASPHALT.
SO THAT IS WHERE THIS IS COMING FROM, THAT IF YOU HAVE A VEHICLE, IT HAS TO BE ON CONCRETE OR ASPHALT.
ALRIGHT, WELL NOW I KNOW WHO I HAVE TO GO YELL AT.
BUT DOES, DOES ANYBODY, WHAT DOES THAT SAY RIGHT THERE? DOES THAT NOT SAY PAVERS? OKAY.
IT DOESN'T SAY, IT DOESN'T SAY SAND, IT DOESN'T SAY DIRT.
SO ISN'T A PAVER A PAVED SURFER? WELL, I'LL LET THAT GO 'CAUSE I'M ARGUING WITH THE WRONG PEOPLE.
BUT YOU, SO NOW I KNOW WHERE I'VE GOTTA GO STUMP.
'CAUSE IT'S ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS THAT I CAN'T DO IT IN MY DRIVEWAY YET.
I CAN DRIVE THROUGH SLO AND THEY USE 'EM AS DRIVING.
THEY USE 'EM IN THE ROADWAY SYSTEM.
YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY NEEDS TO GO TO DOWNTOWN SAN ANTONIO AND CHECK OUT TRAVIS STREET.
YOU KNOW, THREE OR FOUR BLOCKS OF TRAVIS ARE NOTHING BUT PAVERS.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY OUR COUNCIL IS HUNG UP WITH CONCRETE AND, AND IT'S A DEFINITION THING.
SO WHY DON'T WE TRY TO CHANGE THE DEFINITION.
THIS IS JUST, I WANNA DO MY DRIVEWAY IN PAVERS AND I CAN'T, WE'RE PROBABLY THE ONLY COMMUNITY IN THE ENTIRE SAN ANTONIO METRO AREA THAT CAN'T DO A DRIVEWAY IN PAVERS.
JUST TO, JUST TO HIT A QUICK POINT.
SO TECHNICALLY IF I WANTED TO TAKE ALL THE, ALL OF MY FRONT YARD OUT, I COULD DO TO MY ENTIRE FRONT YARD AND PAVERS.
AND MR. BRIAN JAMES DID WARM COUNSEL ABOUT THAT HAPPENING IN RESIDENCES ALL OVER.
YEAH, THAT'S ONE, THAT'S ONE CONSIDERATION.
THE OTHER CONSIDERATION IS, UM, TO GLEN'S POINT DOING THE, UM, PAPERWORK IN ON, ON THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, THE ONLY DI DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A PAVER THAT IS USED FOR DECORATIVE AND NOT, AND ONE IS USED FOR ROADWAY
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IS SIZE.IT'S, IT GOES FROM ABOUT AN INCH TO ABOUT AN INCH AND A HALF TO TWO INCHES.
I'M, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE STREETS THAT ARE GONNA BE FULL OF PAVERS INSTEAD OF HAVING GRASS.
AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO CAUSE ISSUES AS FAR AS THE APPEAL OF RESALE VALUE OR EVEN VALUE AS FAR AS WITH THE TAX ROLL.
DAVID, I I, I THOUGHT AT ONE TIME, 'CAUSE I, I'VE BEEN TALKING WITH THE CITY ENGINEER AND UM, OF COURSE THE PLANNING FOLKS, 'CAUSE THEY, YOU KNOW, THEIR CONCERN IS THIS WHOLE IMPERVIOUS COVER THING.
AND UH, I THOUGHT WHERE WE WERE HEADED WITH SOME KIND OF, UH, BECAUSE YOU CAN COME BY AND SEE WHAT I DID AT MY HOUSE, BECAUSE NOW YOU'VE MADE WHAT I DID LEGAL.
I DID ABOUT, OH, I DON'T KNOW, A QUARTER IN MY FRONT YARD I REPLACED, I HAD A BUNCH OF GRAVEL AND I REPLACED IT WITH PAVERS.
BUT BECAUSE PAVERS, THAT KIND OF INSTALLATION IS NOT 100%, IT'S NOT LIKE CONCRETE.
AND I, AND I THOUGHT ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE WORKING ON WAS TRYING TO COME UP AND SAY, WELL, PAVERS ARE 50%, OR YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT IMPER, YOU KNOW, BUT WE WERE GONNA COME UP WITH A NUMBER AND YOU KNOW, SO NOW I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING RIGHT NOW.
I MEAN, I DID A COMPLETE BACK PATIO WITH PAVERS AND THERE'S, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT IMPERVIOUS, RIGHT.
BUT THEY ARE, THERE ARE ISSUES WHERE THEY ARE IMPERVIOUS AND THERE IT'S A SMALL AMOUNT AND YOU KNOW, AND YOU'RE STILL GONNA GET THE RUNOFF.
AND I AGREE WITH YOU THAT, YOU KNOW, ROADWAY PAVERS ARE NOT NECESSARILY THE SAME AS DECORATIVE PAVERS.
AND AGAIN, I THOUGHT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THE, WHAT THE CITY ENGINEER WORKING ON.
BUT, UH, I JUST THINK, I MEAN, I GET THE POOL THING AND I UNDERSTAND IT, BUT WITH THE PAVERS, THIS, I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE PAVER BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT WE CAN, HAVING A PAVER FOR A DRIVEWAY IS GOING TO BE MORE COST EFFECTIVE SOMETIMES.
AND, BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT INSTALLED CORRECTLY AND IT DOES ADD TO THE VALUE OF THE HOUSE BY THE APPEAL.
BUT IF YOU TAKE OUT THE ENTIRE GRASS AND YOU STICK STICK PAVERS ALL THROUGH IT, THEN IT'S GONNA DEGRADE THE PROPERTY VALUE AND DEGRADE THE LOOK OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO WE'RE KIND OF IN A, A POINT RIGHT NOW WHERE THIS IS PROBABLY, THE INTENT WAS GOOD, BUT THE DESIGN DID NOT, IS NOT REALLY WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT.
THE COMMISSION IS MORE THAN WELCOME TO RECOMMEND AMENDMENTS AND WE CAN TAKE IT TO COUNCIL WITH AMENDMENTS IF YOU LIKE AS WELL.
WELL, AND, AND, AND YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T, UM, IN, IN, IN TERMS OF EXCLUDING THE PAVERS, UH, AS PER OR IMPERVIOUS COVER, I, I, I DON'T THE VEHICULAR TRAVEL THING, I THINK IT IS SEPARATE FROM THE SWIMMING POOL.
AND SO I, I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND, UH, TRYING TO CHANGE YOUR PROPOSAL, UM, TO INCLUDE THE VEHICULAR TRAVEL.
UM, BUT IT'S, UM, IT, IT DOES SEEM A LITTLE COUNTERINTUITIVE OR COUNTERPRODUCTIVE THAT IF ON ONE HAND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE IMPERVIOUS COVER REGULATIONS TO HELP CONTROL STORMWATER RUNOFF AND EVERY TIME WE TURN AROUND WE'RE EXCLUDING AREAS FROM, UH, FROM COUNTING THIS IMPERVIOUS COVER AGAIN, IIII THINK IT WOULD BE MUCH MORE PRODUCTIVE IF, IF DECORATIVE PAVERS COUNTED AS 50% IMPERVIOUS OR 24 OR, OR SOME NUMBER RATHER THAN JUST SAYING THEY'RE TOTALLY, I MEAN, YOU, YOU COME WATCH WHAT HAPPENS AT, IN, AT MY HOUSE WITH, WITH THAT THE DECORATIVE PAVERS I PUT IN THE FRONT.
UM, AND, AND BASICALLY I, I DON'T KNOW, IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S NOT A LARGE AREA TO BEGIN WITH.
UM, AND, AND SO MAYBE THERE ISN'T A WHOLE LOT OF RUNOFF.
UM, BUT IT'S, IT'S CERTAINLY NOT GONNA GONNA SIT LIKE IT DOES ON A, ON GRASS.
SO, BUT AGAIN, UH, COUNSEL ASKED FOR THIS.
SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE RECOMMEND THAT PAVERS BE ALLOWED FOR DRIVEWAY USAGE AND NOT ALLOWED, UH, FOR GREATER THAN 25% OF THE CURRENT PREVIOUS GROUND COVER.
THEREFORE SATISFYING THAT IS THE, THE, THE AESTHETIC QUALITIES THAT ARE PRESENT WITHOUT MAKING, WITH, WITH
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AN AND ENHANCING THIS, THE PROPERTY VALUES INSTEAD OF REMOVING THE PROPERTY VALUES.CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? MR. HUGHES? UM, RECOMMEND THE PAVERS, UM, FOR DRIVEWAYS AND NOT ALLOW, UM, FOR GREATER THAN 25% OF THE CURRENT PERVIOUS GROUND COVER TO BE COVERED BY PAVERS.
SO, SO YOU COULD HAVE, 75% OF YOUR YARD IS STILL GRASS AND 25% CAN BE STILL PAVERS.
WOULD YOU CALCULATE THAT BASED ON THE TOTAL LOT SIZE? SO IN TERMS OF THE DAVEY, CAN YOU GO TO THE, THE CHART WITH THE IMPERVIOUS COVER LIMITS? I'M SORRY.
SO OF THAT MAX IMPERVIOUS COVER, ARE YOU SAYING 25% OF THE 9,600 SQUARE FEET TOTAL OF THE LOT? I'M LOOKING AT PROBABLY THE, UM, OR 25% OF THE 50%.
THAT WAY WE KIND OF MEET, WE STRIKE A BALANCE.
BUT IF GLEN WAS TO TAKE OUT HIS, UM, HIS DRIVEWAY AND PUT PAVERS, UM, AGAIN, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE HOA APPROVAL HAVE TO BE DESIGNED AT THE HOA AND THIS KIND OF HELPS, THIS KIND OF DOESN'T HELP HOAS BECAUSE THEY CAN COME BACK ON CITY, SAYS, I CAN DO IT, SO I'M GONNA DO IT.
AND THEN THERE'S A WHOLE, THERE'S THERE'S WAY TOO MANY ARGUMENTS AND THERE'S TOO MANY LEGAL THINGS THAT COME INTO PLAY AT THAT POINT.
SO JUST TO CLARIFY, YOUR MOTION IS TO FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION EXCEPT TO RECOMMEND THAT NO MORE THAN 25% OF THE MAX IMPERVIOUS COVER BE ALLOWED FOR DECORATIVE PAVERS AND THAT THEY BE ALLOWED FOR VEHICULAR TRAVEL.
IS THAT CORRECT? UM, TO RE FOR DRIVEWAYS.
SO ONLY DRIVEWAY, SIR, FOR ONLY DRIVEWAYS? YES.
THANK FOR THANK, WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL CLEAR.
SO JUST TO REMIND EVERYONE, SO THE MOTION IS TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION EXCEPT TO ALLOW FOR NO MORE THAN 25% OF THE MAX IMPERVIOUS COVER BE ALLOWED FOR, UM, DECORATIVE PAVERS AND THEN, UH, THAT THEY ALSO BE ALLOWED FOR RESIDENTIAL DRIVEWAYS, CORRECT? CORRECT.
THAT IS A MOTION AS DETAILED, UH, BY COMMISSIONER HUGHES, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BROWN.
UM, IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS, I, I HAVE, MR. ALA HAS A COMMENT.
UH, A COMMENT ABOUT SOME, SOME OF WHAT COMMISSIONER HUGHES SAID WHEN HE, WHEN HE, I I, UM, ADAMANTLY BELIEVE THAT PROPERTY VALUES ARE NOT SUBJECT, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT THE CITY'S PURVIEW.
IT'S NOT UP, IT'S NOT UP TO THE CITY TO PROTECT MY PROPERTY VALUE.
UM, AND I'VE SAID THAT MANY TIMES, UM, NOT RECENTLY, BUT, BUT BACK WHEN WE HAD, UH, UH, A COUPLE OF CHAIRMAN AGO, UH, I ACCUSED THE CITY ON MORE THAN ONE OCCASION OF, OF FUNCTIONING AS A, UH, AS A, AS A OVERSEEING HOA.
OKAY? UM, THAT'S, THE CITY IS NOT IN THE BUSINESS OR SHOULD NOT BE IN BUSINESS OF PROTECTING MY PROPERTY VALUES.
AND THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO REDO MY DRIVEWAY IN PAVERS BECAUSE YOU COME LOOK AT THAT THING AND IT WAS CRACKED, IT WAS SUNKEN, IT, IT JUST LOOKED LIKE TRASH.
OKAY? AND I WANTED SOMETHING THAT LOOKED NICER FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WELL, WHEN WE FOUND OUT WE COULDN'T DO PAVERS, I PAID TO HAVE IT.
UM, UH, THEY LEVELED IT OUT, THEY SEALED ALL THE CRACKS, AND A YEAR LATER THE IT HAD IT, IT'S STILL ALL IN ONE PIECE, BUT EVERYWHERE THEY PUT THAT LITTLE CEILING STUFF IS A GIANT BLACK MARK RUN AT THE, MY DRIVEWAY NOW STILL LOOKS LIKE TRASH.
OKAY? UM, BUT THE, MY MY GENERAL COMMENT ABOUT YOUR, YOUR PROPOSAL COMMISSIONER HUGHES IS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DECORATIVE PAVERS AND IF YOU WILL, DR.
NOW, IN MY PARTICULAR CASE, THE COMPANY I, I, I, I HAD DO IT, THEY'RE THE SAME.
OKAY? UM, BUT FOR SOMEBODY THAT MAYBE THEY'RE, THEY'RE, IT'S A DO IT YOURSELF PROJECT.
SO, SO THEY RUN UP TO LOWE'S AND THEY LOAD UP ON THOSE, THOSE DECORATIVE PAVERS THEY HAVE UP THERE.
I'M NOT SURE THAT THOSE ARE VEHICULAR, UM, THAT THEY'LL SUPPORT THAT KIND OF WEIGHT.
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DISAGREE WITH YOUR INTENT, BUT THE WAY, THE WAY WE FINALLY DECIDED THE, THE MOTION WAS WORDED WOULD ALLOW SOMEBODY TO USE DECORATIVE PAVERS AS DRIVEWAY PAVERS.AND I'M NOT SURE THAT'S A GOOD THING.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE TWO INCH PAVERS THAT ARE AT LOWE'S OR HOME DEPOT, THOSE ARE ACTUALLY THE SAME ONES THAT ARE VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT IS DOWNTOWN SAN ANTONIO.
THEY, THEY, THEY WERE DESIGNED FOR BUSES.
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS, IS THE STRUCTURE UNDERNEATH.
THEY USE A LOT MORE BASE AND A LOT MORE SAND.
REASON BEING IS I HELPED DO PART OF THE STREETS.
SO I REMEMBER CUTTING ALL THOSE.
IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, THEN WE WILL GO AHEAD AND VOTE.
IF YOU COULD PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE.
CAN WE PUBLISH THAT? THAT MOTION CARRIES.
UH, DOES ANYONE NEED A BREAK REAL QUICK? CARRY ON.
[F. Main Street Workshop - Conduct a public hearing, workshop, and discussion on the Comprehensive Land Use Plan - Future Land Use Map Designation area of Main Street and Main Street Mixed Use (MSMU) and Main Street Mixed Use - New Development (MSMU-ND) Zoning District Permitted Uses. ]
ITEM F, MAIN STREET WORKSHOP, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING WORKSHOP AND DISCUSSION ON THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN, FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION, AREA OF MAIN STREET AND MAIN STREET MIXED USE MSMU AND MAIN STREET MIXED USE, NEW DEVELOPMENT ZONING, DISTRICT PERMITTED USES DAISY.MY NAME IS DAISY MARQUE, SENIOR PLANNER AND WE ARE HERE TODAY BECAUSE AT THE NOVEMBER 5TH, 2025 PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING, WE HAD A REQUEST FOR A MAIN STREET WORKSHOP.
I'M JUST GONNA LET YOU KNOW NOW THIS PRESENTATION IS GONNA COME TO YOU IN PARTS AND THEN WE'RE GONNA OPEN UP FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
WE DO HAVE SOMEONE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS TODAY AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK TO THE DISCUSSION AND I WE'LL GUIDE YOU THROUGH THE DISCUSSION IN PARTS.
SO AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION, I WANT THE COMMISSION TO THINK OF THESE THREE QUESTIONS AS WE GO THROUGH IT.
WHAT IS THE END GOAL FOR SHIRTS MAIN STREET? WHAT MAKES YOU DRIVE OUT OF YOUR SHIRT, OUT OF SHIRTS FROM YOUR HOME TO VISIT ANOTHER MAIN STREET OR DOWNTOWN AREA? WHAT DO YOU WANNA SEE ON MAIN STREET? SO PLEASE THINK OF THESE QUESTIONS AS WE GO THROUGH IT.
SO BEFORE WE GO INTO OUR OWN MAIN STREET, LET'S VISIT SOME TOWNS ALL OVER TEXAS THAT HAVE SOME VERY INFAMOUS DOWNTOWN AND MAIN STREET AREAS, STARTING WITH MCKENNEY, TEXAS THAT HAS A VERY BEAUTIFUL SQUARE.
UM, AND WHEN YOU THINK OF THEIR MAIN STREET AREA, YOU MIGHT THINK OF A COUPLE BLOCKS, BUT THEY USE IT MORE AS A CONCEPT, AS SEEN IN THEIR PLAN TO THE RIGHT.
UM, THEY'VE KIND OF BROKEN IT DOWN AS A CORE HISTORICAL CORRIDOR AND IT SPANS MULTIPLE BLOCKS.
IT SPANS A, A LARGE TRANSPORTATION CORRIDOR.
AND THEN GEORGETOWN, WHICH ALSO HAS A BEAUTIFUL BLOCK, UM, YOU WOULD THINK, OKAY, IS IT ACTUALLY LOCATED ON THE MAIN STREET? IT ACTUALLY GOES BEYOND THAT MAIN STREET.
IT ISN'T REALLY THAT CLOSE TO THEIR EXISTING MAIN STREET.
AND THEY USE IT AS A CON A CONCEPT, KIND OF EXPAND ON THAT AND KIND OF GET BUY-IN ON THAT IDEA OF MAIN STREET AND DOWNTOWN.
WE ALSO HAVE BRYAN TEXAS AND THE STAR IS WHERE THEIR ACTUAL MAIN STREET KIND OF CURVES DOWN AND GOES AROUND.
AND WHEN THEY DID THEIR STUDY AREA OF MAIN STREET BEFORE THEY KIND OF, UM, STARTED PUTTING MORE MONEY INTO IT, THEY BROKE IT DOWN INTO TWO AREAS, THE CORE STUDY AREA AND THEN A GENERAL STUDY AREA.
AND NOW THEY HAVE A LOT OF SUCCESSFUL FIRST FRIDAYS WHERE BUSINESSES ARE OPEN LATE, PEOPLE ARE WALKING IN THE STREETS.
AND THEN ALSO SLO, WHICH ARE, WHICH Y'ALL ARE MORE FAMILIAR WITH.
UM, THEY HAVE THEIR MAIN STREET AREA.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THEIR COMPREHENSIVE, UM, LAND USE PLAN FEATURE LAND USE MAP TO THE RIGHT, THAT BLUE AREA IS ACTUALLY WHAT THEY CONSIDER THEIR MAIN STREET AREA.
SO AGAIN, IT'S USED AS MORE OF A CONCEPT AND EXPANDS BEYOND THAT MAIN STREET AREA.
SO NOW THAT YOU'VE SEEN SOME EXAMPLES OF MAIN STREETS ALL OVER TEXAS AND YOU'RE THINKING OF THESE THREE QUESTIONS THAT WE INTRODUCED AT THE BEGINNING, LET'S LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF OUR FUTURE LAND USE AREA FOR HISTORIC MAIN STREET.
WE'RE GONNA TRAVEL THROUGH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST AND GET TO WHAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY NOW.
SO IN 2002, UM, AS A RESULT OF THAT COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN, WE HAD THE MAIN STREET DE MAIN STREET COMMERCIAL DESIGNATION AREA, WHICH WENT ALL THE WAY UP TO CURTIS AND A CO UH, TWO EXTRA BLOCKS ALONG SHORTS PARKWAY.
SO AGAIN, UM, IT STOPPED AT EXCHANGED N 78, SO IT KIND OF HAD THOSE HARD BOUNDARIES.
AND THEN IN 2013 THE SECTOR PLAN CAME ALONG AND WHEN THEY WERE STUDYING THE MAIN STREET AREA, THEY KIND OF LOOKED AT IT WITHIN THIS BIGGER PICTURE THAT OUTLINED YELLOW AREA IS WHAT THEY WERE CONSIDERING MAIN STREET WHEN THEY WERE EVALUATING, EVALUATING, UH, TRANSPORTATION WITHOUT THE AREA AND SEEING HOW PEOPLE GO AROUND.
AND THEN AGAIN, THEY WERE KIND OF USING IT AS A HISTORIC DOWNTOWN CONCEPT SO THEY WEREN'T JUST FOCUSING ON MAIN STREET.
AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, THE MAIN STREET COMMERCIAL
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AREA DID STAY THE SAME IN THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN.BUT WE DID GET A DIFFERENT RESULT AND WE GOT, UM, A DOWNTOWN OVERLAY DISTRICT THAT WAS, UM, SHOWN IN OUR ZONING MAPS.
ANOTHER RESULT OF THE 2013 SECTOR PLAN WHERE THESE BEAUTIFUL MAIN STREET PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS PLAN.
UM, I DO WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON IT.
I KNOW THIS CAME OUT IN 2013, BUT AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF COMMUNITY PARTNERS WE NEED TO WORK WITH WHEN IT COMES TO UTILITIES AS ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROJECTS TO START.
THIS IS MOVE ALL OF OUR OVERHEAD UTILITIES UNDERGROUND.
AND FROM SPEAKING WITH OUR ASSISTANT CITY ENGINEER, THEY'RE ABOUT 89% OF THE DESIGN PHASE TO MOVE THOSE UNDERGROUND.
SO HOPEFULLY IN A COUPLE OF YEARS WE'LL START SEEING SOME WORK HAPPENING.
AND THEN WHEN IT CAME TO OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WAS ADOPTED IN APRIL, 2024, MAIN STREET AGAIN WAS KIND OF USED AS THIS CONCEPT TO EXPAND BEYOND THE HISTORIC MAIN STREET CORRIDOR.
UM, THEY'RE PROPOSING 35% RESIDENTIAL AND 65% NON-RESIDENTIAL, BUT AGAIN, STILL CONSIDERING APPROPRIATE TRANSITIONAL USES FOR ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL AREAS THAT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED.
AND SOME POLICY STATEMENTS THAT ENCOURAGE THAT WAS, UM, THE MAIN STREET DEVELOPMENT AGAIN, CREATING THIS CULTURAL AND ECONOMIC HUB WHERE PEOPLE FROM OTHER TOWNS WILL COME VISIT OUR TOWN, WHERE YOU SEE PEOPLE AFTER 6:00 PM IN THE STREETS.
AND THEY ALSO INTRODUCE US WITH THE COMPLETE COMMUNITIES, UM, INTEREST TOPIC.
AND AGAIN, THEY'RE SAYING WE CAN UTILIZE THIS TO BOOST THE SUCCESS OF MAIN STREET.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT THE CURRENT MA STREET FUTURE LAND USE MAP LOOKS LIKE.
UH, LAND USE DESIGNATION, IT GOES ALL THE WAY TO CURTIS AND IT STOPS AT SHORTS PARKWAY.
SO YOU CAN SEE IT IS, UM, ABOUT A BLOCK LARGER THAN WHAT IT PREVIOUSLY WAS ON EXCHANGE.
AND HERE YOU CAN KIND OF SEE AN OVERLAY.
THE PURPLE LINE REPRESENTS THE FEATURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION AREA OF MAIN STREET AS IT CURRENTLY IS IN OUR COMP PLAN.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE EXISTING ZONING IN THE AREA, WE DO HAVE RESIDENTIAL STILL THAT IS THAT ORANGE, UM, COLOR, BUT WE DO HAVE 19 PARCELS THAT ARE ZONED M-S-M-U-N-D AND MSMU.
AND THEN JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE ANOTHER ONE CURRENTLY COMING IN FOR THE WORKS.
SO, UM, IT'S KIND OF SPORADIC WHEN IT COMES TO ZONE CHANGES FOR THE MAIN STREET LAND USE DESIGNATION.
BUT IT'S AS PEOPLE GET INTERESTED AND THEY SEE THE FLEXIBILITY IN IT.
AND THEN THE INCENTIVE AREA FOR MAIN STREET WAS BROUGHT UP LAST TIME.
SO WE DID WANNA OVERLAY WHAT OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION AREA LOOKS LIKE IN COMPARISON TO THAT INCENTIVE AREA WHERE PEOPLE ARE ELIGIBLE TO APPLY FOR THOSE INCENTIVES.
AND THEN KIND OF JUST LOOKING AT A SIDE BY SIDE OF WHAT OUR CURRENT COUNT PLAN HAS, AGAIN, KIND OF SHOWING YOU THAT IT GOES ALL THE WAY TO CURTIS, IT SURPASSES THAT EXCHANGE AVENUE.
UM, AND IN OUR SECTOR PLAN, IT ONLY STAYED TO EXCHANGE, UM, BUT WE DID EXTEND WITH THE CURRENT ONE.
SO WHEN IT COMES TO THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN DESIGNATION OF MAIN STREET, DID WE GO TOO FAR BY EXTENDED THE FUTURES LAND USE PLAN DESIGNATION TO CURTIS? SHOULD IT GO FARTHER TO BACK? UM, THE INTENT WAS REALLY TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE SMALLER, LOTS OF THE OLDER AREAS OF SHIRTS AND GIVEN THAT FLEXIBILITY.
UM, BUT STAFF HAS DISCUSSED THAT AND WE HAVE OFFERED THAT WE CAN ALWAYS CONDENSE THE MAIN STREET LAND USE DESIGNATION AREA BACK TO EXCHANGE AND FOCUS OUR EFFORTS ON MAIN STREET.
AND WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK AND LOOK AT IF WE NEED TO EXPAND AFTER WE'VE HAD SOME REVITALIZATION ON MAIN STREET, MAYBE AFTER IMPROVEMENTS ARE DONE, WE GET THE CORE BUSTLING AND HUSTLING AND THEN WE EVALUATE IF WE NEED TO COME BACK AND EXTEND IT TO PROMOTE A GROWTH IN OUR MAIN STREET.
SO THAT'S THE END OF OUR FIRST PART OF OUR DISCUSSION ON THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN DESIGNATION.
NOW WE'RE GONNA GO INTO THE MAIN STREET AND MAIN STREET, UM, NEW DEVELOPMENT PERMITTED LAND USES.
THIS IS SEPARATE BECAUSE THIS IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE ZONING.
UH, THE MSMU ZONING IS ATTRACTIVE TO PEOPLE BECAUSE IN A LOT OF THESE SMALLER LOTS AND SHIRTS, THEY CAN'T REALLY COMPLY WITH THE ZONING THAT WE HAVE BECAUSE THINK ABOUT IT, OUR SMALLEST ZONING IS 60 BY ONE 20 OR 60 BY ONE 15.
SO IT TAKES LESS LOTS WITHIN THE OLDER PARTS OF SHIRTS TO MEET THE MSU ZONING.
AND THEY DO GET THE FLEXIBILITY OF BEING EXEMPT FROM A COUPLE OF DESIGN REQUIREMENTS WHERE WE LET THEM HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY ON LANDSCAPING, ON PARKING.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THAT 50 FOOT BUILDING SETBACK TO GET TO BE CLOSER TO THE FRONTAGE TO ATTRACT PEOPLE TO COME IN.
UM, THESE ARE JUST THE THINGS THAT ATTRACT PEOPLE TO THAT MSMU ZONING.
AND THEN THESE ARE THE CURRENT PERMITTED USES, UM, WITHIN THE MSMU AND MSMU AND D ZONING DISTRICT.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S EVERYTHING FROM AN ANTIQUE SHOP, A BAKERY, A BOOKSTORE, A BED AND BREAKFAST, A DAYCARE CENTER, MICRO BREWERY OR BREW PUB, A
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RETAIL RETAIL STORE, SHOP, SCHOOL TATTOO PARLORS, AND TAVERNS, UH, TATTOO PARLORS AND STUDIOS ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT CURRENTLY HAVE THAT DISTANCE REGULATION.SO I WANT YOU TO THINK IS PNZ COMFORTABLE WITH THE PERMITTED USES THAT ARE CURRENTLY ALLOWED IN MSMU AND M-S-M-U-N-D AND WHAT LAND USES SHOULD WE ADD OR REMOVE FROM THIS PERMITTED USE TABLE? AND THEN THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
WELL, IT IS, UH, 7 0 5 AND WE WILL GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT BACK UP, UM, FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
DID YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING ELSE? YEAH, COME ON UP.
IF YOU'LL JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AGAIN, AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE THREE MORE MINUTES.
MY NAME IS JESSE ANGUIANO FROM 9 1 3 BECK.
AND THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO BACK UP MY FIRST STATEMENT.
SO I INTRODUCED MYSELF AS A RESIDENT AND OWNER ON BECK STREET.
WHAT I WANNA SHARE NOW IS MY WHY BEHIND MY VISION.
SO MY GOAL ISN'T JUST TO BUILD UNI UNITS, IT'S TO BUILD A COMPLETE ECOSYSTEM THAT SOLVES A MAJOR PROBLEM FOR SURE.
IT'S, WE'RE CUR CURRENTLY FACING A, A HOUSING CRISIS WHERE THE MEDIAN INCOME EARNER IS BEING PRICED OUT OF OUR CITY.
BY DEVELOPING NINE, UH, BECK STREET INTO OBTAINABLE MULTIFAMILY HOUSING, I'M CREATING A SPACE FOR OUR TEACHERS FIRST RESPONDERS, LOCAL WORKFORCE.
SO THIS ISN'T JUST GROWTH, IT'S THE RIGHT KIND OF GROWTH, PROVIDING MISSING MIDDLE, MIDDLE INCOME HOUSING THAT KEEPS OUR COMMUNITY WHOLE.
BUT THE HOUSING IS ONLY HALF THE STORY TO TRULY REVITALIZE THE BECK STREET, MY VISION ENCLO AND DOES INCLUDE OPENING MY BOXING GYM ALONG THESE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
THESE, THIS IS A PERSONAL MISSION FOR ME.
I WANT A PRO A SPACE TO PROVIDE MENTORSHIP, DISCIPLINE, AND FITNESS FOR OUR LOCAL YOUTH.
BY INTEGRATING GYM WITH MULTIFAMILY HOUSING, WE CREATE A LIVE WORK TRAIN ENVIRONMENT THAT KEEPS THE THE NEIGHBORHOOD ACTIVE, SAFE, AND ENGAGED.
FINALLY, I WANNA HIGHLIGHT THE FISCAL BENEFIT TO SHIRTS BY INCREASING DENSITY AND ADDING COMMERCIAL ELEMENT LIKE THE GYM.
WE'RE SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASING THE TAX YIELD PER ACRE ON THESE LOTS.
WE'RE GENERATING MORE REVENUE FOR THE CITY SCHOOLS INFRASTRUCTURE USING THE LAND WE HAVE ALREADY HAVE WITHOUT REQUIRING THE CITY TO EXPAND OUTWARD.
IT'S A SMART HIGH YIELD DEVELOPMENT.
I'M A NEIGHBOR AT 9 1 3 BECK AND I'M A PARTNER TO THE CITY.
I'M ASKING FOR YOUR SUPPORT TO ALIGN THE ZONING FOR THESE LOTS SO WE CAN BRING VISION TO ATTAINABLE HOUSING AND COMMUNITY MENTORSHIP TO LIFE.
LET'S MAKE BECK STREET A MODEL FOR WHAT A REVITALIZED SHIRT CAN LOOK LIKE.
UM, WELL IF THAT'S EVERYBODY, IT'S A PACKED HOUSE TONIGHT.
UM, IT IS 7 0 7 AND WE WILL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ALRIGHT, SO LET'S DIRECT THIS DISCUSSION.
THESE ARE THE TWO LARGE QUESTIONS FOR TONIGHT.
SHOULD WE AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND SHOULD WE AMEND THE PERMITTED USES WITH AN MSMU AND MSMU AND D? SO IF, IF I COULD, ARE YOU, YOU'RE GOOD? YEAH.
IF I COULD OPEN IT ON OUR END REAL QUICK.
I, I KNOW, UM, COMMISSIONER MCMASTER AND I HAD ASKED FOR THIS BACK IN NOVEMBER.
UM, I I THINK MY, UM, YOU KNOW, CAN YOU ACTUALLY GO BACK TO THE PICTURES OF, UM, GEORGETOWN AND LIKE THOSE EXAMPLES YOU WERE THROWING UP? UM, I, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT, SO JUST TO START, I THINK THE, THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING AT MAIN STREET ALREADY IS REALLY GREAT.
I DON'T THINK THIS NEEDS A WHOLE LOT OF CHANGE.
I THINK MY BIGGEST CONCERN, UM, FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE LIVING IN THE AREA IS THAT, UH, IS THE INCLUSION OF THE TAVERN AND THE BREW PUB, BREW PUB, UM, LAND USES.
UM, AND REALLY WHAT MY GOAL WITH THIS IS TO MAKE THOSE SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO COME GET AN SUP FOR.
I DON'T THINK IT'S TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE TO HAVE USES LIKE THAT.
I THINK MY FEAR IS THAT THIS COULD POTENTIALLY TURN INTO LIKE A BAR KIND OF CORRIDOR IF THAT'S THE ONLY TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT WE'RE SEEING.
AND THEN PEOPLE ULTIMATELY GET TURNED OFF TO THE IDEA OF DOING LIKE A MIXED USE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT OR ALLOWING THESE COMMERCIAL USES TO, UM, BE RIGHT NEXT TO THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE ALL THEY'VE SEEN BUILT ARE BARS.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHAT THE, THIS GENTLEMAN HERE IS TALKING ABOUT WHERE YOU'RE MIXING THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE COMMERCIAL, I THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT AREA TO DO IT.
I THINK THE, UM, THE SCALE OF WHAT YOU SET, IT'S NOT GONNA HIT THERE RIGHT NOW.
IN TERMS OF YOU, YOU PROBABLY WON'T SEE THE COMMERCIAL WRITE UP ONTO CURTIS.
IS IT EVEN ZONED FOR THAT RIGHT NOW? OR IS IT, BECAUSE I KNOW THIS IS THE LAND USE, CORRECT? I MEAN, I KNOW THAT THE COMP PLAN HAS IT AS THE MAIN STREET MIXED USE IS THE ZONING, I'M SORRY, I'M ASKING YOU TO SWITCH BETWEEN BUNCH ZONE.
NO, A LOT OF THE ZONING IS STILL R TWO.
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NOT GONNA SEE SOMETHING WOULD STILL HAVE TO COME IN FOR IT.SO YOU'D STILL HAVE TO COME INTO TO REQUEST THAT COMMERCIAL IF YOU WANTED IT.
SO I COULD SEE IT DEFINITELY SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE.
SO I REALLY WOULDN'T CHANGE THE BOUNDARY.
I THINK MY BIGGEST GOAL WITH ASKING FOR THIS WAS FOR US TO CONSIDER PUTTING THE, UM, TAVERN AND THE BREW PUB AS ITEMS YOU NEED TO COME IN AND GET AN SUP FOR, UM, WITH THE GOAL OF PROMOTING BUSINESS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, MAKING IT SO THAT BUSINESSES THAT MIGHT COME IN CONFLICT WITH RESIDENTIAL, UM, ARE A LITTLE MORE THOUGHT OUT.
AND WE HAVE THAT PROCESS OF IS THIS A REALLY GREAT PLACE TO PUT THIS BAR VERSUS, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD DO A LOT OF THINGS HERE.
LIKE THE THE ONE, THE CASE WE HAD IN NOVEMBER, I, I THINK MY, WAS MY BIGGEST FEAR OF IF WE APPROVE THIS AND THEN IT DOESN'T, HIS BUSINESS IS A WORKOUT.
WELL, SOMEONE CAN MOVE IN AND OPEN THIS BAR AND IT'S RIGHT BETWEEN TWO PEOPLE'S HOUSES.
UM, AND I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE PLACE TO PUT THAT.
THAT'S MY COMMENT AND GO WITH IT.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ANYONE ELSE THINKS.
AND IF I DON'T WANNA, SO THE, WHEN IT COMES TO THE PERMITTED USES, LET'S MOVE THAT TO THE SECOND PART OF THE DISCUSSION.
LET'S KEEP THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN, MAIN STREET, FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION AREA, SEPARATE ONE BECAUSE THEY ARE KIND OF SEPARATE IN A WAY, RIGHT? STAFF LOOKS AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHEN IT COMES TO ZONE CHANGES MM-HMM
SO IF THE AREAS ALONG CURTIS ARE WITHIN THE MS OR MAIN STREET LAND USE DESIGNATION STAFF IS GONNA LOOK AT THAT AND GO, OKAY, MSMU ZONING IS DIRECTLY IN LINE WITH THAT.
SO THAT'S WHY WE ALSO BROUGHT THIS OUT BECAUSE IF YOU WANNA BRING IT BACK TO EXCHANGE, THEN THAT WOULD BE A WAY TO BRING THOSE ZONE THAT THOSE PERMITTED USES BACK.
BUT IF SOMEONE, SO LIKE IF WE DID BRING IT TO EXCHANGE, LET'S SAY IT GETS BUILT OUT, WE DON'T CHANGE THE COMP PLAN FOR A COUPLE YEARS.
UM, AND THEN SOMEONE AT LIKE WILLIAMS AND EXCHANGE ON THE PORTION THAT'S LIKE AN R TWO.
IF THEY CAME AND SAID, HEY, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE MAIN STREET'S GETTING BUILT UP.
I WANNA APPLY FOR MAIN STREET MIXED USE ZONING, BUT WE CH WE HAVE PULLED IT BACK, WOULD THEY ALSO NEED TO DO A, A PLAN AMENDMENT TO CORRESPOND? CORRECT.
AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE MY, MY COMMENT IN TERMS OF LEAVING IT, I THINK LEAVING THE, THE BIT ALONG SHIRTS PARKWAY IS APPROPRIATE.
I I PROBABLY WOULDN'T TOUCH IT.
AND YOU KNOW, AS THE ZONING CASES COME IN, I MEAN, WE CAN CONSIDER STUFF, BUT YOU KNOW, IN PRACTICE, HAVING SEEN PEOPLE COME IN WITH DEVELOPMENT, I, I THINK IT WOULD BE RARE FOR SOMEONE TO COME IN RIGHT NOW ON CURTIS AND APPLY FOR MAIN STREET MIXED USE.
UM, BUT THAT, THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION.
SO I'LL, I'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE, THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS AND I'LL LET THEM CHIME IN.
SO IF Y'ALL HAVE COMMENTS, I DON'T WANT TO BE THE ONLY ONE WITH COMMENT MR. OUT OUTLINES.
OH, YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT
CUT ME SOME SLACK HERE IF I STRAY FROM ONE END INTO THE OTHER.
SO WHAT, WHAT YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT RIGHT NOW? UM, YOU, NUMBER ONE, YOU WERE READING MY MIND AND BECAUSE I WAS, IT WAS ON MY MIND TO GO BACK WHEN WE HAD THAT ZONING REQUEST UP ON EXCHANGE.
I WAS, I WAS GONNA GO TO COUNCIL AND VOICE MY DISAPPROVAL.
UM, I THINK IN MY OPINION THAT MS MU AND M-S-U-M-D SHOULD BE RESTRICTED TO MAIN STREET AND THE SOUTH SIDE OF EXCHANGE.
IN OTHER WORDS, THE PROPERTIES ON EXCHANGE THAT BACK TO PROPERTIES ON MAIN STREET WOULD BE INCLUDED IN MSMU AND MSMU AND D.
UM, NOW I THOUGHT WHAT WE HAD WAS, UM, THAT'S THE ZONING.
NOW THE COMP PLAN CALLS THIS AREA DOESN'T CALL IT MAIN STREET MIXED USE.
IT CALLS IT MAIN STREET HISTORIC OR YES, IT JUST CALLS IT MAIN STREET, SIR.
BUT SO WE, WE CAN LEAVE THAT INTACT, UH, THEREBY, YOU KNOW, PROTECTING SOME OF THE OLDER, UH, PARTS OF THE CITY.
UH, AND, AND, UH, SO MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO LEAVE THAT INTACT, BUT PULL THE, PULL THE ZONING, UM, POTENTIAL BACK TO THE SOUTH SIDE OF EXCHANGE AND MAIN STREET.
UM, I MIGHT BE OPEN TO THE IDEA OF EXTENDING MSMU AND MSMU AND D TO BECK, BUT PART OF THAT, WHEN, WHEN BECK STREET IS NOT,
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IN OTHER WORDS, THEY'RE NOT, YOU CAN'T GO STRAIGHT FROM MAINE TO BECK.YOU GOTTA, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THIS AND, AND SO I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT WOULD WORK OUT.
BUT, UM, NOW, UH, THE GENTLEMAN THAT, THAT ADDRESSED US ABOUT, UM, WHAT HE WOULD LIKE TO DO ON BECK STREET, DOES THAT FIT MSMU AND M-S-M-U-N-D, THE MULTIFAMILY HOUSING AND ALL OF THAT? IT DOES, BUT IT DOES NOT FIT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES THAT BECK STREET IS CURRENTLY ZONED.
BECK STREET'S CURRENTLY NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO IT WOULD REQUIRE REZONING, BUT, BUT MY, MY REALLY WHY I WASN'T SURE.
UM, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT LAND USES, UH, THE IN IN AS A SEPARATE.
UM, SO BASICALLY I THINK IF, IF YOU LOOK AT THE 2002 COMP PLAN WHERE WE STARTED ALL THIS, NOW I GO BACK WHERE WE SHOW THE ORIGINAL.
'CAUSE I REMEMBER SEEING MAYBE THAT IT WAS, THAT WHEN YOU PUT IT WAS THE, OH, SORRY.
BUT EVEN THAT EXTEND TO CURTIS.
JUST FOR THAT, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER WHAT'S ON, WHAT'S ON THAT CORNER.
I THINK THAT'S STILL, THAT'S STILL RESIDENCES.
THAT'S WHERE CONNIE AND JIM SILVERS LIVED RIGHT THERE ON THAT CORNER.
YEAH, NO, AGAIN, I, I THINK WE OUGHT TO, UM, WE OUGHT TO LIMIT IT TO, UM, AGAIN, SOUTH SIDE OF EXCHANGE AND MAIN STREET, POSSIBLY EXTENDING IT TO BECK.
I WOULD BE OPEN TO HAVING THAT DISCUSSION.
ANYBODY ELSE ON THE COMP PLAN PORTION? MR. HECTOR? I'M SORRY.
YEAH, MS. I GUESS I'M JUST A LITTLE CONFUSED.
UM, SO WAS THE ORIGINAL INTENT TO INCLUDE THOSE RESIDENTIAL HOMES AS PART OF, UH, MSMU? YES.
THE PART ALL THE WAY GOING TO CURTIS? YES.
FOR THE, OR FOR THE COMP PLAN.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE, AGAIN, THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN, FUTURE FUTURE LAND USE MAP IS A VISION FOR THE FUTURE.
IT'S DIFFERENT FROM THE EXISTING ZONING.
THAT'S WHY IT LOOKS MORE LIKE A BLOB KIND OF HIGHLIGHTING A CERTAIN AREA INSTEAD OF INDIVIDUALLY LOOKING AT THE PARCELS.
I AM, AND I AM ALL FOR ANYONE WITH A VISION.
I GUESS THE PART THAT CONFUSES ME IS WHEN I LOOK AT ALL THE RESIDENTIAL HOMES IN THAT AREA, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT ARE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE TAVERNS AND BARS, WAS THAT THE INTENT OR DID WE JUST NOT THINK ABOUT THAT? SO THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN IS MEANT FOR A VISION FOR PROBABLY THE NEXT 20, 30, 40 YEARS.
IF THESE PEOPLE STAY IN THEIR RESIDENCES, IT CAN STAY, BUT MAYBE IN 50 YEARS IT, THEY MIGHT PROPOSE TO PUT A BOUTIQUE THERE.
BUT AS LONG AS THEY'RE THERE FOR NOW, THEY'LL JUST HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE, THE NOISE AND, UH, THE ROWDINESS ON MAIN STREET BECAUSE THEY'RE INCLUDED AS, YEAH.
I, I, IT, IT WAS MY HOPE THAT MAIN STREET WOULD BE DEVELOPED AND DISCUSSED WITH SOME INTENTIONALITY.
SO ALL THE ONES THAT YOU SHOWED, GEORGETOWN, BRIAN, ALL OF THOSE, WHAT I DIDN'T SEE, UH, WERE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES IN CLOSE PROXIMITY.
UH, MAYBE I MISSED IT, BUT I DIDN'T SEE ANY, I, I DO KNOW THE DISCUSSIONS IN SLO, UH, I SAW WHERE A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVED THERE ON MAIN STREET, UH, ENDED UP SELLING THEIR HOUSES.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE CITY BOUGHT 'EM OUT OR WHAT, BUT IT AT LEAST SEEMED LIKE THEY HAD SOME INTENTION WITH WHAT THEY WANTED THAT TO BE THAT CORRIDOR.
AND SO MY QUESTION WOULD BE, IS THAT THE SAME THING THAT, UH, THE CHURCH WANTS, UH, I JUST DON'T SEE WHERE IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO INCLUDE ALL THESE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT, UH, HAVE BEEN IN SOME FAMILIES FOR, YOU KNOW, DECADES, UH, AS PART OF
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MAIN STREET, UH, MIXED USE.UH, I COULD BE MISSING IT, BUT THAT WOULD BE MY QUESTION AND CONCERN GOING FORWARD, JUST TO, UM, COME IN WITH PRACTICE.
UM, I THINK THE, THE ISSUE, NOT THE, NECESSARILY THE ISSUE WITH SHIRTS IS IF YOU LOOK AT LIKE GEORGETOWN, CAN YOU SHOW UP THE PICTURES AGAIN? I'M SORRY.
IS YOU HAVE, LIKE, EVEN IF YOU CONSIDER NEW BRAUNFELS MAIN STREET, YOU HAVE A, I MEAN, WE HAVE SOME COMMERCIAL LOOKING BUILDINGS, UM, ON OUR MAIN STREET, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE THESE LARGE HISTORIC BUILDINGS THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR DECADES ALREADY THERE, UM, TO KIND OF GIVE IT THAT, THAT MAIN STREET CHARACTER ARCHITECTURALLY THAT YOU, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHERE, OH, WELL IT'S A LOT OF HOMES, BUT THAT'S ALL THAT'S EVER BEEN THERE.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE HOSPITAL OR THE OLD HOSPITAL THAT'S THERE.
UM, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE, THOSE TWO BUILDINGS DOWN BY THE INSURANCE BANK.
BUT REALLY, I MEAN, ARCHITECTURALLY, WE DON'T HAVE THESE BIG STOREFRONTS THAT HAVE, THAT HAVE BEEN HERE FOR DECADES.
SO, IN TERMS OF THE COMP PLAN ELEMENT, WHAT STAFF'S COMMENT IS, IS, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE ARE THINKING ABOUT THIS NOW, IF WE'RE PUTTING ALL THIS EFFORT, LIKE WHAT THEY'RE SAYING, WE'RE BURYING THE INFRASTRUCTURE UNDERGROUND.
AND I'M, I'M SURE IF BRIAN WAS HERE, HE'D SAY, IF WE RAISE TAXES, I'M SURE WE COULD MAYBE BUY PEOPLE OUT.
AND I'M SURE WE COULD MAYBE DO ALL THESE THINGS, BUT WE DON'T DO THAT.
SO WE DON'T HAVE MONEY TO DO THAT.
UM, BUT THE, THE GOAL WITH THE COMP PLAN ELEMENT IS TO CONSIDER IT IN THE FUTURE.
AND SO, UM, YES, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY LOOK LIKE COMMERCIAL AND PEOPLE AREN'T NECESSARILY GONNA COME IN TOMORROW AND ASK FOR A COMMERCIAL IN MAYBE SOME OF THESE AREAS WHERE YOU HAVE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
BUT AS THINGS GET BUILT UP OVER TIME, IT MIGHT TRANSITION FROM THE SINGLE FAMILY TO THESE.
AND EVEN IF YOU PUT THE USES UP, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S SOME LIGHTER COMMERCIAL.
THERE'S NO, YOU NOT GONNA BE A BIG WAREHOUSE.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE A BIG TIRE FACTORY.
IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE WHAT YOU WOULD THINK OF AS A MAIN STREET.
I'M, I'M SURE IF YOU CONSIDERED IT MORE LIKE GREEN, WHERE YOU HAVE HOMES THAT HAVE BEEN CONVERTED TO THINGS OR, UM, KIND OF OLDER AGRICULTURAL BUILDINGS THAT HAVE BEEN CONVERTED TO THINGS.
AND I'M, I'M SURE THAT'S THE INTENTION AND THE THOUGHT BEHIND IT.
I, IT'S HARD TO LOOK AT A PICTURE LIKE WITH GEORGETOWN OR MCKINNEY AND SAY THAT'S WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.
BUT IT, IT'S THE INTENTION OF THINKING IF WE'RE DOING THIS WORK TO BURY THE INFRASTRUCTURE, WE'RE DOING THIS WORK TO TRY TO ATTRACT BUSINESSES HERE.
WE HAVE THE INCENTIVE ZONE TO TRY TO ATTRACT BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, IN 40 TO 50 YEARS, WHERE COULD BUSINESS POTENTIALLY BE WITH THIS? UM, SO THAT, AT LEAST FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ELEMENT, THAT'S WHAT I, I THINK STAFF IS RELAYING.
UM, AND SOMETIMES IT'S JUST HARD TO SIT UP AND, AND KIND OF PICTURE IT, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF WHAT DOES MAIN STREET LOOK LIKE NOW VERSUS WHAT, WHAT ARE THEY DOING WITH MAIN STREET? YOU KNOW, I THINK WE WOULD CHIME IN THAT WHEN WE, WHEN WILLIAM PRESENTED THE MAIN STREET MIXED USE CASE ON CURTIS, IT ALMOST FELT KIND OF LIKE A SHOCK THAT THE MAIN STREET COMP PLAN DESIGNATION WENT THAT FAR.
UM, AND I THINK THAT'S OKAY IF WE, IF WE DID THAT THROUGH THE COMP PLAN AND WE THOUGHT IT WAS GOOD, BUT THEN WHEN IT ACTUALLY CAME IN AT THAT FIRST TIME, IT'S A, HMM, IT WAS ACTUALLY GONNA FEEL THIS WAY.
THERE'S RESIDENTS ON BOTH SIDES.
THERE'S RESIDENTS IN THE BACK, WE WENT TOO FAR.
WE CAN COME BACK AND WE CAN AMEND THE COMP PLAN, BRING IT BACK DOWN TO EXCHANGE THE SOUTH SIDE OF EXCHANGE.
AND THEN IN 10, 15, 20 YEARS, IF WE'RE THEN READY AND MAIN STREET PROPER HAS FULLY DEVELOPED, THEN WE CAN GO, WE NEED TO EXTEND FURTHER.
OR MAYBE THAT'S JUST GONNA BE THE HARD BOUNDARY IN SHIRTS.
WE ONLY WANT MAIN STREET CARE AND THAT'S OKAY.
AND I THINK STAFF SUPPORTS THAT AS WELL OF, YOU KNOW, IF COUN UH, THE COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL FEEL THAT WE WENT TOO FAR IN THE COMP PLAN, MAYBE WE DIDN'T PAY ENOUGH FOCUS ON THE MAIN STREET AREA WHEN WE WERE DOING THE FULL COMP PLAN AMENDMENT.
WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK AT A LATER TIME.
BUT I THINK LEAVING THE MAIN STREET COMP PLAN DESIGNATION ALL THE WAY, UM, UP THERE, IT ENCOURAGES FOLKS TO COME IN AND SUBMIT ZONE CHANGE REQUESTS FOR MAIN STREET MIXED USE.
AND IF EVERY TIME THEY COME IN, IT'S GONNA BE A CONCERN THAT THERE'S RESIDENTIAL ON BOTH SIDES, AND WE DON'T REALLY WANT ALL THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE ALLOWED THERE, THEN I THINK THAT'S KIND OF A LOSING BATTLE AND MAYBE LEADS PROPERTY OWNERS DOWN THE WRONG PATH.
WELL, UM, AGAIN, IT, IT'S VERY HARD.
I, I I KNOW YOU FOLKS WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS IN TWO PARTS, BUT IT, IT, IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO DO.
NOW, DON'T, DON'T MOVE OFF THE PHOTOGRAPHS
EVERYBODY'S SEEN THEM BACK TO MCKINNEY AND, AND, AND, AND, AND CHAIRMAN WALLACE, UH, EXPRESS SOME OF MY THOUGHTS.
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BUT TO, TO, TO SHARE SOME HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE ON THIS WHOLE MAIN STREET DEVELOPMENT THING.UH, YOU KNOW, IT GOES BACK MANY YEARS AND WHAT THE CITY SAW WAS, UM, OTHER THAN THE HISTORICALLY COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, AND THOSE ARE PRIMARILY DOWN AROUND, UM, FIRST AND, UH, MAIN STREET, THE, THE OLD BANK, THE MASONIC LODGE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THAT THE, UH, OLD, UH, ACE HARDWARE, UM, IF ANYBODY REMEMBERS THAT.
UM, AND THEN ACROSS THE STREET, UM, YOU KNOW, MELANIE'S WAS A, WAS AN AUTO PARTS AND REPAIR SHOP.
THEN COMING BACK THIS WAY, YOU HAD, UM, A TRYING REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS CALLED, BUT IT WAS BASICALLY AN ICE CREAM PLACE.
AND THEN OF COURSE, WHERE RANDOLPH REAL IS THAT THAT WAS THE FIRST FIRE STATION BECAME CITY HALL BECAME THE LIBRARY.
BUT AS YOU COME BACK UP TOWARDS, UM, SHEZ PARKWAY, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE MOST OF THAT WAS, UM, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
AND THEN WITHIN THAT YOU HAD NEW DEVELOPMENT WHERE YOU, WHERE YOU HAVE THE AUTO REPAIR SHOP, UM, THEY'RE ON THE CORNER, UM, WHERE, UM, MR. DEL TORO OWNED THOSE BUILDINGS WHERE NOW YOU HAVE THE COFFEE SHOP AND THE CHICAGO BITE RESTAURANT AND, UH, THE, YOU KNOW, SO I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE THAT BUILDING WAS PUT UP.
UM, BUT AGAIN, WE STARTED TO SEE, UM, SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS BEING CONVERTED TO, TO BUSINESSES.
AND IN RESPONSE TO THAT, OVER, OVER THE COURSE OF YEARS, THE, THE CITY RESPONDED AND THE END RESULT BEING, UM, THIS MSMU AND MSMU AND D TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO DO THOSE CONVERSIONS WITHOUT HAVING TO MEET ALL THE, ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF NORMAL DEVELOPMENT.
ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK WE'RE MISSING IS THE VISION OF THE MAIN STREET COMMITTEE.
I MEAN, WE, WE, WE'VE SEEN BITS AND PIECES OF THEIR PLAN, UNDERGROUND UTILITIES, UM, FANCY STREET LIGHTING, UM, AND, AND SOME, MAYBE SOME SCULPTURES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
UM, BUT AG AGAIN, THE BOTTOM LINE IS, UM, OUR MAIN STREET IS NOT, YOU KNOW, AND, AND YOU KNOW, AS, AS, UH, CHAIRMAN WALLACE POINTED OUT, YOU LOOK AT THESE PHOTOGRAPHS, UM, AND, AND THEY'RE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO, UH, I CAN THINK OF MANY, YOU KNOW, BERNIE FREDERICKSBURG, UM, BANDERA, UM, WHERE THEY ACTUALLY, THOSE, THOSE WERE, YOU KNOW, THRIVING DOWNTOWN BUSINESS CENTERS.
WELL, SHIRTZ DOESN'T HAVE THAT.
UM, THE CLOSEST THING TO SHIRTS IS SLO.
UH, AND THEY DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OVER THERE EITHER.
YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GOT A HANDFUL OF HISTORIC BUSINESSES THAT THEY'VE REFURBISHED AND REPURPOSED.
UH, BUT AGAIN, THEY'RE, A LOT OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS WHAT WE'RE DOING, CONVERTING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
SO, UM, YEAH, SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE GOT WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
IT IT JUST IN, IN, IN, IN REACTION TO WHAT WE SAW GOING ON DOWN THERE AND THE PROBLEMS THAT THE, THE, THE FOLKS WERE INCURRING.
AND, AND SO THINGS EVOLVED TO TRY TO HELP THEM.
UM, SO WHEN YOU GET BACK TO TALKING ABOUT LAND USES, I, I HAVE SOME THOUGHTS, BUT, UM, FOR NOW, IF ANY OF THAT MADE ANY SENSE.
I DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE, COMMISSIONER HECTOR? YEAH, I JUST THINK THAT MR. OUTLAW BRINGS UP A GREAT POINT, UH, WITH RESPECT TO BEING, IT BEING REACTIONARY.
'CAUSE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT FEELS LIKE.
THAT'S WHAT IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO RESPOND BECAUSE WE SEE OTHER COMMUNITIES DOING THAT, UH, WHEN IT CLEARLY WAS NOT MEANT FOR WHAT THESE OTHER TOWNS HAVE DONE.
NOW, IF WE WANT THAT, HOW CAN WE BE INTENTIONAL ABOUT CREATING THAT? AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE CONVERSATION REALLY NEEDS TO GO.
RIGHT? AND I KNOW THAT PEOPLE HAVE VESTED INTEREST IN MAIN STREET.
UH, UH, A LOT OF PEOPLE OWN PROPERTY ALREADY ON MAIN STREET, AND THEY WOULD LOVE FOR IT TO BE THRIVING.
I GET THAT AS A BUSINESS OWNER.
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PART THAT I'M STILL STUMPED WITH IS THE DISREGARD FOR THE FACT THAT THEIR RESIDENTS ON THE BACKSIDE OF THAT, LIKE LITERALLY RIGHT ON THE BACKSIDE ON EXCHANGE STREET AND HOW THEY'RE IMPACTED BY THAT.I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S BEEN LIKE A PUBLIC HEARING TO HEAR THEM ABOUT THE, THE, THE MAIN STREET DEVELOPMENT, UH, OR IF THAT'S EVEN SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER DOING.
BUT I JUST THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IF I LIVED THERE, SPOUSE, KIDS, WE LIVED THERE ON EXCHANGE AND THEY WANNA BUILD, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE LIMIT LIMITING THE NUMBER OF TAVERNS OR BARS THAT CAN BE ON MAIN STREET.
SO IF SOMEONE WANTED TO BUILD ONE ON THE BACKSIDE OF MY PROPERTY AND I LIVE ON EXCHANGE, IS THAT WHAT WE REALLY WANT FOR THE COMMUNITY? SO I JUST THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S MY CONCERN WITH REGARD TO THAT.
BUT I DO AGREE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DO NEED TO BE VISIONARY AND IMAGINE WHAT WE WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE.
AND MAYBE THAT'LL BE 40, 50 YEARS FROM NOW, BUT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THE FACT THAT WE HAVE RESIDENTS THAT ARE TAXPAYERS THAT ARE WITHIN THAT AREA NOW.
AND IF WE DIDN'T TALK TO THEM, SHAME ON US.
IF I COULD, I THINK, I THINK WE'RE, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY NECESSARILY HAS AN OBJECTION TO WHERE THE CURRENT, I MEAN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HAS AN OBJECTION TO WHAT'S CURRENTLY SET IN TERMS OF THE COMP PLAN, CORRECT? WELL, I MEAN, THE FEELING THAT I GOT, YEAH.
NOT, NOT, NOT, NOT THE COMP PLAN OR THE LAND USE OR WHATEVER WE WANT TO CALL IT IN GENERAL, THE FEE.
SO THIS GO, CAN YOU GO TO THE CURRENT MAP? YEAH.
NOW THIS IS NOT ZONING JUST EVERYONE, YOU GOTTA SEPARATE IT LIKE WHAT THEY'RE SAYING, THIS IS NOT ZONING.
THAT, THAT IN ITSELF, I DON'T OBJECT TO.
BUT WHAT THAT TRULY MEANS IS IF SOMEONE COMES IN AND REQUESTS A ZONE CHANGE ON CURTIS TO MSMU, WOULD THE P AND Z RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THAT? AND DO WE FEEL LIKE, BECAUSE YES, THEY ARE SEPARATE, THE COMP PLAN AND THE ZONING ARE SEPARATE, BUT WE BASE OUR ZONING RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE COMP PLAN.
SO IF OKAY, IF THE COMP PLAN'S TOO FAR AND WE DON'T WANT M-S-M-U-N-D OR MSMU ALL THE WAY TO CURTIS, THEN WE NEED TO FIX THE COMP PLAN.
THAT, THAT, THAT'S MY MISUNDERSTANDING.
I I THOUGHT WE COULD CALL THAT BLUE AREA, UH, MAIN STREET HISTORIC DISTRICT OR SOMETHING AND LIMIT THE, THE ZONING TO, TO CURTIS? NO.
WELL IN THAT CASE BE, BECAUSE WHAT I'M PROPOSING IS THAT WE, THAT MSMU, THAT THE ZONING M SM MSMU AND M-S-M-U-N-D ONLY BE ALLOWED ON MAIN STREET AND ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF EXCHANGE.
EXCHANGE GOT INVOLVED BECAUSE SOME OF THE PROPERTIES, IF IF, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ZONING MAP THERE, A LOT OF THE PROPERTIES ON KURT ON, UH, MAIN STREET EXTEND ALL THE WAY TO EXCHANGE THEIR ADDRESS ON MAIN STREET.
SO WHEN WE APPROVED ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY, THAT ZONING ENDED UP ON EXCHANGE, IF YOU FOLLOW MM-HMM
THE REASONING AND, AND, AND, BECAUSE OTHERWISE I'D SAY PULL IT ALL THE WAY BACK TO MAIN STREET.
BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S A FEASIBLE IDEA.
SO JUST TO CLARIFY, MR. CHAIRMAN, WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE, WHATEVER IT REQUIRES IS THAT THAT MAIN STREET ZONING ONLY APPLY TO MAIN STREET AND THE SOUTH SIDE OF, UM, EXCHANGE, KIND OF THE QUIET SIDE OF THE COMMISSION IS FEELING TOO, GOING BACK TO, TO HARD STOP AT EXCHANGE.
I'M KIND OF THINKING THE SAME WITH AN, I MEAN, WE CAN ALWAYS GO BACK AND ADDRESS IT LATER.
IF WE SEE A GROWTH AND BASICALLY A BUYOUT OF THAT AREA, THEN WE CAN LOOK AT IT AND GO, OKAY, DO WE WANT TO TAKE THE NEXT STEP? WE COULD DO IT INCREMENTALLY AND SMART WITH A, WITH A CLEAR, UM, VISION AND A CLEAR PROGRAM.
BUT JUST TO SEE ALSO WHAT THE DISTRICTS WANT AND WHAT IS THE, WHAT DO THEY WANT AND HOW ARE THEY FEELING WITH IT? HOW ARE THE CITIZENS FEELING ABOUT IT? 'CAUSE THAT'S GONNA CHANGE OVER TIME.
I MEAN, WE HAVE LAND THAT ONE TIME WAS FIELDS AND IT WAS GONNA BE FIELDS AND IT WAS GONNA STAY FIELDS AND THERE'S HOUSES ON IT.
SO THAT AS, AS TIME CHANGES, THE AREA CHANGES.
AND THAT MAY BE ONE OF THE THINGS TO CONSIDER WITH.
AND ADDING BECK STREET MAY NOT BE A BAD THING JUST BECAUSE OF IT'S A LOCATION,
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BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT'S GONNA GO THERE AND BE, AND MAKE SMART CHOICES ON WHAT WE'RE GOING TO ADD AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW AND NOT ALLOW TO MAKE SURE THAT IT, IT DOES THRIVE.BECAUSE IF IT TURNS INTO A PUB CRAWL, IT'S GONNA, THERE THERE'S NO PURPOSE AND IT'S GONNA BE SELF-DEFEATING.
BUT IF WE HAVE A COMBINATION WHERE IT'S RESTAURANTS, SOME PUBS, SOME SMALL BUSINESSES, THAT WILL HELP THE AREA GROW.
AND THAT WILL HELP AS WE, AS WE INCREMENTALLY AND SMARTLY MOVE IT FORWARD WHERE IT WON'T BE SO SHOCKING TO EVERYONE WHERE WE, EVERYBODY KIND OF BASICALLY LACK OF BETTER TERMS FREAKS OUT WHENEVER IT HAPPENS.
AND I LIKE THE IDEA OF STARTING WITH EXCHANGE.
STOP IT THERE, SEE IF IT BUILDS OUT, SEE HOW IT GROWS.
LOOK AT BACKSTREET, SEE HOW IT GROWS, SEE WHAT WE CAN DO.
MAYBE NOT AS BUSINESSES ARE CONCERNED AS IN SHOPS, BUT AS IN MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT WITH, UM, MULTI-USE MULTI-FAMILIES AND KIND OF DO A COMBINATION BUT DO IT INCREMENTALLY AND SLOWLY WHERE WE CAN CONTROL IT AND WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE'S UNDERSTANDING AND EVERYONE'S GOOD WITH IT.
NOT ONLY THE PEOPLE AROUND THE CITY, BUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DIRECTLY IMPACTED, WHICH IS OFF OF CURTIS STREET AND SURE.
SO I, I WOULD JUST WANNA PIGGYBACK ON HIS STATEMENT, BUT I, I AGREE WITH THAT.
I THINK IT WOULD ALLOW US TIME TO FULLY DEVELOP MAIN STREET INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, HAVING A ONE OR TWO OFF PROPERTY SCATTERED THROUGHOUT EXCHANGE OR ON LINDSAY OR ON COACH.
AND SO IF WE CAN JUST FULLY DEVELOP THAT ONE SINGLE LIKE AREA OF LAND FIRST AND THEN START TO EXTEND OUT IF, IF IT NEED BE, THEN I CAN GET ON BOARD WITH THAT INSTEAD OF IT JUST BEING SPORADIC DEVELOPMENT.
SO, UH, I AGREE WITH THAT SENTIMENT.
UM, AND I ALSO APPRECIATE THE GENTLEMAN THAT CAME OUT AND PROVIDED HIS VISION FOR WHAT HE WANTS TO DO ON BECK.
I THINK THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS.
AND THAT'S WHEN, WHEN I TALK ABOUT MOVING WITH INTENTIONALITY, I'M TALKING ABOUT THAT PARTNERING WITH BUSINESS OWNERS AND DEVELOPERS THAT WANT TO COME IN AND ACTUALLY BE A PART OF TURNING THIS COMMUNITY INTO WHAT THE VISION OF THE CITY AND THE CITIZENS WANT FOR THAT AREA.
LIKE IF I WERE A BUSINESS OWNER AND I WANTED TO GET INVOLVED WITH THE MAIN STREET MIXED USE, MAYBE I'LL GO TO ALL THE CITIZENS ON EXCHANGE AND START BUYING UP PROPERTY, RIGHT.
SO THAT I COULD DEVELOP IT TO SUPPORT WHAT THE CITY'S VISION IS FOR THAT AREA AS OPPOSED TO, WELL, WE'RE GONNA PUT THIS HERE BECAUSE SOMEONE WANTS TO OPEN A TAVERN OR OPEN A BAR.
SO WHAT THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, FAMILIES THAT LIVE ON THE BACKSIDE OF THAT.
I JUST THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT VERY THOUGHTFUL, BUT, UH, BUT I DO THINK, YOU KNOW, PULLING IT BACK AND THEN, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO, TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS AS THEY COME UP.
'CAUSE TAKING IT TO CURTIS RIGHT NOW, THAT, THAT TO ME IS, YEAH.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT HAPPENED, BUT YEAH.
UM, UH, DO WE WANT TO TALK LANE, LANE USE? I THINK WE'RE READY TO TALK LAND USE.
IF I COULD MAKE ONE FINAL COMMENT ABOUT THIS, I WOULD LEAVE THE STUFF THAT'S TOUCHING SHIRTS PARKWAY AS WELL.
THOSE THREE BLUE, BLUE R TWO OR R FOUR, JUST LIKE IT WAS IN THE PREVIOUS COMP.
IF YOU WANNA SHOW THE PICTURE REAL QUICK SO EVERYBODY CAN SEE WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, PLEASE.
YEAH, SO YOU CAN SEE THERE WAS THAT LITTLE POCKET THAT WAS LEFT AND IT'S BASICALLY WHAT TOUCHES SHIRTS PARKWAY.
I ALL OKAY WITH THAT? I, I, I THINK I COULD BE OKAY WITH THAT.
SO HERE ARE ALL THE PERMITTED LAND USES WITHIN THE MSMU AND MSMU AND D UM, ZONING DISTRICTS.
SO THE CONVERSATION CAN BE, IS THE LIST TOO MANY? SHOULD WE TAKE SOME OFF? SHOULD WE REQUIRE SPECIFIC USE PERMITS? I WOULD REQUIRE SPECIFIC USE PERMITS FOR MICRO PRE TAVERN, AND I'M SURE SOMEONE WILL SAY TATTOO PARLOR, BUT THAT WOULD YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY TATTOO PARLOR, EVEN DANCE HALL NIGHTCLUB MIGHT BE KIND OF TEETERING ON THAT.
SO YEAH, I WOULD SAY ANYTHING THAT'S NOT FAMILY ORIENTED YEAH.
WELL, I KNOW, BUT THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT VERY SPECIFIC.
NOT TO, NOT TO JUMP ON YOU, BUT THAT'S NOT VERY
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SPECIFIC.I THINK WHAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR IS FOR US TO LOOK THROUGH THIS LIST AND SAY A, B, C, D.
I, I WASN'T OH, NO, YOU'RE GOOD.
I JUST DIDN'T CALL OUT MICROBREWERY AND TAVERNS AND CLUBS AND DANCE HALLS.
UH, I WAS JUST MAKING A GENERAL OVERARCHING STATEMENT.
SO, UH, AND WHAT ARE, WHAT'S PRIVATE CLUB? IS THAT LIKE A RESTAURANT? BW OKAY.
AND THEN SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR THE TATTOO PARLOR, WOULD YOU WANT AN SUP IN ADDITION WITH THE DISTANCE REQUIREMENT IT CURRENTLY HAS? YES.
SO JUST TO POINT OUT RIGHT NOW, I THINK ON MAIN STREET WITH THE DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS, I THINK MAX WE CAN HAVE IS TWO.
LIKE TWO, I WOULDN'T, I MEAN, LOOK AT IT, CONSIDER LIKE THIS, IT IS KIND OF A FAMILY AREA.
CONSIDER THE PROPERTIES THAT WOULD BE CLOSED BY 10 IF WE, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD KIND OF, THAT WOULD KIND OF LOOK AT SOME OF THE AREAS THAT WOULD COME OUT.
EVEN EVEN THE THEATER TECHNICALLY COULD BE OPEN PAST 10 O'CLOCK TO MIDNIGHT.
SO THINK OF THE RESIDENTIAL AREA THAT'S BACKING UP TO IT AND HAVE SOME CONSIDERATION THAT YES, WE HAVE IT THERE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO SHUT THEM DOWN OR ANYTHING SILLY LIKE THAT.
BUT FOR FUTURE USE, HAVE IT HAVE IT LIKE A, WE'RE WE'RE ALMOST CURFEW IN IT TO A CERTAIN EXTENT.
SO IT CAN, IT CAN HAVE SOME CHANCE TO GROW, TRY TO GET BUSINESSES THAT WILL MAYBE CLOSE BY EIGHT BY 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT.
THAT GIVES THE RESIDENTS A LITTLE CHANCE TO BREATHE A LITTLE BIT.
AND AS WE GROW, THAT MIGHT MODIFY TOO.
WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ADD BACK IN LATER GOING, OKAY, THE AREA'S GROWN, WE'VE NOW EXTENDED AND IT'S CHANGED SO WE CAN ADD MORE, UM, NIGHTTIME VENUES.
I CAN UNDERSTAND THE SENTIMENT.
I THINK THAT SOMETIMES GETS A LITTLE DIFFICULT.
I MEAN, HOW MANY 24 HOUR GYMS ARE THERE, RIGHT? THEY'RE, THEY'RE EVERYWHERE.
SO IF WE KIND OF USE THAT LOGIC OF WHAT BUSINESSES ARE CLOSED BY EIGHT, I THINK THIS LIST IS GONNA DRAMATICALLY CHANGE.
AND THEN ARE WE REALLY GONNA HAVE A MAIN STREET? WELL, OR DO WE JUST WANT A MAIN STREET THAT JUST HAS LIKE CAFES THAT ARE ONLY OPEN FOR LUNCH? WHAT, WHAT I'M, AND WHAT I'M THINKING, OR MY THOUGHT PROCESS IS, IS WHAT IS THE VISION? IF, IF, IF, IF WE SEE THE MAIN STREET CORRIDOR, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT ARE WE, YOU KNOW, ARE WE TRYING TO MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT, GO BACK AND LOOK AT GEORGETOWN AND MCKINNEY AND BERNIE AND FREDERICKSBURG, UM, THE WORD TOURIST POPS INTO MY MIND.
UM, NOT NECESSARILY A TOURIST, BUT, BUT WHAT ARE PEOPLE LOOKING FOR? WHY? YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A RESTAURANT.
THEY'RE LOOKING FOR, UM, UM, I GUESS FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, BOUTIQUE SHOPS OR SPECIALTY SHOPS.
UM, AND, AND THE, THE, THE OCCASIONAL TAVERN MAYBE.
BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE, I DON'T GO TO FREDERICKSBURG LOOKING FOR A TWO FAMILY DWELLING OR, UM, A SCHOOL OR A TATTOO PARLOR OR, YOU KNOW, I, I BASICALLY, I'M LOOKING FOR ENTERTAINMENT, DINING AND ENTERTAINMENT.
I DON'T NEED A DAYCARE CENTER.
I DON'T NEED, YOU KNOW, UH, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF, IF IF YOU JUST GO DOWN THE LIST, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF THINGS THERE THAT I WOULD PULL OFF SAYING, WELL, THAT'S NOT REALLY, UH, MY VISION OF A SHOPPING DESK OR A, IF WE WANT TO CALL IT A SHOPPING DESTINATION OR A, UM, RETAIL DESTINATION.
UM, THE, THE, THE, THE PROBLEM WITH THE TAVERNS AND, AND THE NIGHTCLUBS IS THEY ALL WANNA HAVE LOUD MUSIC.
UH, I'LL, I'LL RELATE AN EXPERIENCE WITH YOU A COUPLE WEEKENDS AGO, UM, I DON'T EVEN THINK IT WAS, ANYWAY, MY WIFE AND I WENT DOWN TO STINSON AIRPORT TO THE TERMINAL.
THERE'S A NICE LITTLE RESTAURANT IN THERE.
AND THAT RESTAURANT IS NOT HALF THE, NOT HALF THE, THE SIZE OF HALF.
I MEAN, IT'S EVEN SMALLER THAN HALF THIS ROOM.
AND, AND WE'RE SITTING THERE WAITING FOR OUR FOOD AND THERE'S A BAND SETTING UP AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A COUPLE ELECTRIC GUITARS, A DRUMMER, AND THEY'RE DOING THEIR SOUND CHECK.
AND I'M SITTING THERE WITH MY FINGERS IN MY EARS, OKAY? AND I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY ALL OF THESE MUSICIANS THINK THE VI THE BUILDING HAS TO VIBRATE IN ORDER FOR PEOPLE TO ENJOY THEIR MUSIC.
AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM WE'RE HAVING WITH, UM,
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THE BARS AND THE TAVERNS.THEY JUST MAKE TOO MUCH NOISE.
UM, SO MAYBE THAT'S ANOTHER THING YOU LOOK AT HERE IN TERMS OF THE SUVS.
MAYBE WE LOOK AT, UH, THE NOISEMAKERS REQUIRE THE SUP, UM, YOU KIND OF GET A, THE, THE FEELING FOR WHERE I'M KIND OF, WHERE I'M GOING WITH PERMITTED USES.
IN OTHER WORDS, WHY WOULD YOU GO TO GREEN? WHY WOULD I GO TO GREEN? OKAY, NOW YOU GOT GREEN HALL, BUT YOU'VE GOT THE GRISTMILL TAVERN, YOU'VE GOT FARMER'S MARKET.
I LIKE THEIR SATURDAY MARKETS.
YEAH, THE QUESO AT, UM, GREEN RIVER GI.
BUT YOU DON'T, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT LOOKING, IT'S NOT SOMEPLACE A, AGAIN, I KEEP PICKING ON 'EM, BUT I MEAN, I CAN RUN DOWN FLORIST.
WELL, WE'VE HAD TWO FLORISTS DOWN THERE AS LONG AS I CAN REMEMBER.
AND I, I, BUT UM, AND, AND THAT'S A LOCAL THING.
BUT, UM, DO I NEED A DRY CLEANER? DO I NEED A DAYCARE CENTER? DO I NEED A, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND JUST GO DOWN THIS LIST AND ASK YOURSELF, IS THAT REALLY WHAT I WANT? IF, IF I'M, IF I'M TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO COME SPEND MONEY, UM, BECAUSE THEY PROBABLY DRIVE RIGHT PAST DUTCH BOY CLEANERS OR, YOU KNOW, UH, OOPS,
UM, SO HOPEFULLY IT MAKES A LITTLE SENSE.
AND IF, IF I COULD, WHAT'S THE WAY TO DESCRIBE THAT ANYWAY, BE THE, THE, THE ANTITHESIS OF THAT? I, I THINK BUSINESS, I DON'T, MY, MY GOAL OF THIS WAS NOT TO LIMIT OR, OR TRY AND LIMIT BUSINESS.
'CAUSE I, I THINK WHAT TO, TO DAISY AND, AND EMILY'S POINT, YOU KNOW, WITH MAIN STREET AND, AND TO YOUR POINT AS WELL, COMMISSIONER, I, I THINK IT, THE, A THOUGHT COULD BE THIS COULD BE AN ENTERTAINMENT CENTER WHERE PEOPLE COME AND THEY SPEND MONEY ON, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT TO GO OUT, THEY WANNA HAVE A GOOD TIME, THEY LIKE A TOURIST TYPE OF THING.
UM, BUT I MEAN, IF, IF THERE IS A BUSINESS THAT SEES THIS AS A, AS A VIABLE PLACE TO OPERATE A FLORIST OR, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE OTHER USES, THEY'RE, THEY'RE DESCRIBING, UM, I I, I DON'T SEE A REASON WHY WE SHOULD NECESSARILY SAY NO.
I'M SURE WHEN PEOPLE, LIKE A DUTCH BOY LOOKS AT WHERE AM I GONNA PUT MY FACILITY? I'M SURE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY, OH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THIS IS, THERE'S A, THERE'S BARS HERE, THERE'S RESTAURANTS HERE, THERE'S SOME ENTERTAINMENT STUFF.
I'M SURE THEY'RE NOT GONNA LOOK AT THAT AS WELL.
THAT'S WHERE I'M GONNA GET A LOT OF MY TRACTION FROM.
PEOPLE ARE GONNA TAKE THEIR, TRY CLEANING OUT WITH THEM WHEN THEY GO TO THE RESTAURANT.
SO I, I, I DON'T WANT TO BE THE, THE BARRIER TO BUSINESS BY TRYING TO SAY WE ONLY WANT ENTERTAINMENT, OR WE ONLY WANT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE ONLY WANT CERTAIN THINGS FOR, FOR A TOURISM POINT.
BUT I'D ALSO, FOR THE RESIDENTIAL ASPECTS, I THINK THE GOAL IS THIS TO ALSO BE MIXED USE.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO HAVE, UM, THE OPPORTUNITY WHERE IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE THOSE, THOSE LIVING ASPECTS, YOU CAN HAVE IT.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, THOSE LOTS ARE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN PUT A SMALL DUPLEX AND TYPE OF THING LIKE THAT.
I DON'T, I THINK THE GOAL, AND AT LEAST FOR WHAT I WAS BRINGING UP, WAS I WANT TO FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE APPROVING A BIG LIST.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, TO TO TO COMMISSIONER HUGHES POINT, UH, A DRY CLEANER CLOSES BY 10.
I'M SURE THEY'RE NOT MAKING A BUNCH OF NOISE AND THEY'RE NOT, IT'S NOT A, A DRY CLEANER MINOR.
IT'S THE, I'M YOU'RE GONNA COME PICK UP YOUR CLOTHES HERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, I I, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD GO THROUGH AND, AND, AND CUT OUT HALF OF THE USES.
UM, I, I THINK THIS IS INTENDED TO BE A, NOT NECESSARILY CATCHALL, BUT YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THESE THINGS.
AND IF YOUR BUSINESS DOESN'T WORK OUT HERE, THEN YOU KNOW, YOU TAKE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE.
AND IT REALLY IS A, IF PEOPLE ARE COMING TO DEVELOP HERE, THEY'RE GONNA SPEND THE MONEY BECAUSE THEY THINK THAT THEY CAN MAKE MONEY HERE.
UM, I DON'T THINK SOMEONE IS GONNA BUILD A DRY CLEANER WITH THE INTENTION OF, I'M JUST GONNA LOSE MONEY TO SIT ON MAIN STREET.
WELL, I I, I, I THINK WHAT POPPED INTO MY MIND WAS MM-HMM
UM, AND, AND, UM, I DON'T NECESSARILY DISAGREE WITH WHAT YOU JUST SAID, UM, IN TERMS OF BEING A LITTLE MORE OPEN BECAUSE, UM, YEAH, IT COULD, IT, YOU KNOW, IN, IN TERMS OF BEING A, AN ENTER DINING AND ENTERTAINMENT DESTINATION,
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IT, IT, IT, YOU KNOW, IS THERE ANY REASON IT SHOULDN'T BE A LOCAL, UH, MOM AND POP SHOPPING DESTINATION? I KIND OF THINK THAT'S PART OF WHAT YOU WERE SAYING.AND, UM, I THINK I'M, I THINK I'M OKAY WITH THAT.
AND ONE THING TO CONSIDER TOO IS LOOK AT, UM, IT'S NOT JUST THE PEOPLE IN CHURCH NORTH, LOOK AT THE CROSSPOINT.
THEY ARE BEGGING FOR BUSINESS.
AND IF THAT'S SOMETHING TO DRAW THEM INTO, THAT'S GONNA HELP THEM.
I MEAN, DO, SO WILL SOME OF THESE WORK, WILL THE, WILL THE FURNITURE SALE BE THERE? WILL BOB MILLS STICK SOMETHING IN A, IN A, IN A, IN A ONE BEDROOM MEET 1200 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE? PROBABLY NOT.
BUT IF THEY'LL HAVE UNIQUE SHOPS, THAT GIVES THEM AN OUTLET TO GO TO.
BECAUSE THE PEOPLE I KNOW WITH THE CROSS VING, THEY'RE LIKE, PLEASE, JUST PLEASE GET US ANY BUSINESS.
WE KNOW IT'S, WE, WE, WE, WE HAVE BUILT, WE HAVE HOUSES NOW.
WHERE, WHERE IS OUR BUSINESS? AND IF THAT GIVES THEM THAT OPPORTUNITY TO DRAW THEM UP, THAT MAY ALSO HELP REVITALIZE SHIRTS NORTH.
IT MAY INCREASE IT OVER TIME, BUT STARTED EXCHANGE TO BEGIN WITH AND THEN MOVE NORTH, BECAUSE WE CAN DRAW THE CROSS LINE UP HERE INTO THE CITY AND PEOPLE CAN DRAW IT DOWN.
I MEAN, NOT EVERYBODY WANTS TO GO TO A BIG BOX ALL THE TIME.
I MEAN, WHEN SIPS WAS THERE, SIPS WAS GREAT BECAUSE IF I NEEDED SOMETHING REALLY STRANGE, LIKE A FLUX CAPACITOR, SIMPLES HAD IT IN THE BASEMENT,
AND IF THEY DID, ACE HARDWARE HAD IT.
SO YEAH, I MEAN, WHEN, WHEN SIPS HAD IT, I MEAN, IF IT WAS BIZARRE, WE, I FOUND THAT IT'S SIPS THERE'S A BUNCH OF WEIRD STUFF IN MY GARAGE TOOLS.
I'M LOOKING AT GOING, WHERE DID I GET THAT? OH YEAH.
SIPS WHEN IT WAS, WHEN IT WAS RIGHT THERE.
SO, I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF A COOL THING TO HAVE.
AND IT CAN BRING THOSE PEOPLE IN BECAUSE THEY DO KIND OF FEEL DISCONNECTED BEING DOWN THERE AT THE CROSS MINE.
AND THEY DO KIND OF FEEL, THE PEOPLE I'VE TALKED TO, THEY, THEY'VE, THEY'VE EXPRESSED CONCERNS OF, THEY FEEL DISCONNECTED BECAUSE EVERYTHING'S ON 35.
AND THEY LOOK OUT AND GOING, OH, MORE HOUSES GREAT FOR US.
AND THAT'S, THEY'RE, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR ANYTHING.
AND THEY DON'T, THEY, THEY'D RATHER SPEND THEIR MONEY HERE IN THE CITY AND SUPPORT IT THAN GO INTO THE FORM.
BECAUSE I MEAN, LET'S FACE IT, WITH 35 TRAFFIC, I'D PRETTY MUCH RATHER, UM, GET MY FINGERS CHOPPED OFF THAN HAVE TO DRIVE 35 AND GO TO THE FORM.
THAT'S WHY I THINK GOD, HOME DEPOT IS GOING THROUGH THERE.
SO I NEVER HAVE TO GO TO THE FORUM AGAIN, NO OFFENSE TO THE FORUM.
UM, DAVID, I, I THINK YOU'D BE VERY INTERESTED IF TO SEE THE ORIGINAL, AND IT WASN'T CALLED CROSS FIND, AND I'M NOT GONNA REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY.
SEDONA, YOU LOOK AT THEIR ORIGINAL PDP OUT THERE, OR WHAT, WHAT IS IT? PLAN? YEAH.
THEY HAD, THEY EVEN HAD A SCHOOL SITE OUT THERE.
THEY HAD, UM, UM, DOCTORS' OFFICES BECAUSE THEY HAD A RE UM, A SENIOR PORTION OUT THERE WHERE THEY WERE GONNA BUILD GARDEN HOMES.
AND, YOU KNOW, OVER TIME AS THE MARKET CHANGED, THEY CHANGED THEIR PLANS.
UM, AND YES, YOU WILL FIND I VERY SELDOM GO NORTH OF 35 IF I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T EAT AT DENNY'S, I EAT AT IHOP 'CAUSE IT'S ON THIS SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY.
I DON'T GO TO WHATABURGER AND ARBY'S BECAUSE THEY'RE ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE INTERSTATE
SO I, YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M COMING FROM.
I MEAN, AND IF YOU LOOK AT HOMES, I MEAN, RIGHT NOW I'M WORKING, I'M WORKING AT A SITE IN CASTROVILLE, AND YOU SEE CASTROVILLE EXPLODING OUTTA CONTROL.
I MEAN, I'M GOING INTO CASTROVILLE WHEN THEY'RE LEAVING.
I'M JUST LOOKING, ALL THE LIGHTS GOING, MAN, THAT'S WORSE THAN 35.
IT MAKES US LOOK, WE HAVE NOTHING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT IF YOU GO DOWN HIGHWAY 90 AND GO IN THE WRONG DIRECTION AT THE WRONG TIME, JUST BECAUSE OF THEIR GROWTH.
BUT IF WE CAN ADD SOMETHING TO VALUE INTO THE CITY AND DRAW PEOPLE IN, I MEAN, I'VE SAID IT BEFORE, I DON'T WANT TO GET ON 35 UNLESS I ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO.
I'LL CLOSE MY I AND HOPE I DON'T GET HIT, BUT I'LL CROSS THE HIGHWAY TO GO TO THE OTHER SIDE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS BUILD UP WHAT WE HAVE.
WE CAN DRAW MORE PEOPLE IN HERE.
AND I'D RATHER SPEND MY TAX DOLLARS HERE THAN IN CILO, IN LIVE OAK IN NEW BRAUNFELS.
I MEAN, THEY DID THE, THEY IN NEW BRAUNFELS HAS HAD SOME GROWTH.
THEY'VE HAD SOME GOOD, I MEAN, TOWN CREEK'S REALLY NICE THE WAY THEY HAVE IT SET UP, BUT STILL, YOU HAVE TO GET ON 35, WHICH JUST MAKES ME KIND OF TWITCH AND CRINGE.
AND SO I THINK IF WE DRAW THAT IN, WE CAN GET CROSS MINED IN, THEY'LL BE MORE CONNECTED TO THE CITY.
AND I THINK THE, BY DOING THAT WITH A QUALITY MAIN STREET, YOU'RE GONNA SEE A BETTER QUALITY OF LIFE AND YOU'RE GONNA SEE HAPPIER CITIZENS.
SO WHEN THEY COME IN HERE AND COMPLAIN, AT LEAST THEY DO IT NICELY.
MAYBE IF, IF I COULD TRY AND REFOCUS THIS ON THIS.
I, I, NOT THAT I WANT TO KEEP TALKING ABOUT 35.
SO I, I THINK WHAT I'VE GOTTEN JUST NOTE WISE IS AMENDING THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN TO THE 2013
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MAP.AND THEN THE SUVS ON THE, THE USES DESCRIBED.
SO AGAIN, UH, THE DANCE HALL, MICRO BREWERY, BREW PROB TAVERN TATTOO PARLOR OR THE FOUR I HAVE NOTED.
AND THEN YOU STILL WANT THE DISTANCE REQUIREMENT ON THE TATTOO PARLOR SLASH STUDIOS.
ARE, IS THIS GONNA COME BACK OR ARE WE GONNA, IS THIS IT FOR US? SO THIS IS JUST A DISCUSSION NO ACTUAL, SO WE'RE TAKING ALL THE SUGGESTIONS.
WE'LL MAKE THE CHANGES, BRING IT FORWARD, COME WITH BOTH OPTIONS, AND LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT.
BECAUSE IF WE COULD SEE WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IN PRACTICE BASED ON THE NEW CONFIGURATION, IF YOU'RE SAYING REALISTICALLY THE MAX THERE WOULD EVER BE IS TWO I, I MEAN, I DON'T NECESSARILY WANNA ADD ANOTHER HURDLE TO, BUT IF, IF THAT'S WHERE EVERYONE IS LEANING, IT'S NOT SOMETHING I'M GONNA DOWN THE HILL FOR.
UM, ANYBODY ELSE THOUGHTS? A QUESTION JUST POPPED INTO MY MIND.
PAWN SHOP, IS THAT, WHERE DOES THAT FIT? YEAH.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ONE DOWN THERE IN THE OLD POST OFFICE.
BELIEVE THAT'D BE A RETAIL STORE SLASH SHOP.
I WAS JUST, I'M JUST ASKING, BUT DOES ANYBODY KNOW THAT THAT WAS THE POST OFFICE? I THINK'S A SIGN ITEM? YEAH.
THAT IS NOT PERMITTED, NOT PERMITTED IN MSMU.
SO IT'S A NON-CONFORMING ANYWAY.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ZONE, THEY MAY, THEY MAY NOT HAVE BEEN REZONED YET.
I THINK THEY'RE STILL, BUT THEY'RE STILL GB, SIR.
THEY'RE NOT M SM UI DID WANT TO CAUTION THE USE OF AN SUP BECAUSE WE SET OUR, WE'RE GONNA SET OURSELVES UP FOR, UM, OH, NOW, WHAT'S THE WORD NOW? GETTING OLD MAN, THAT'S A, THAT'S A PAIN
UH, IN OTHER WORDS, WE APPROVE THIS ONE, BUT SAY NO TO THIS ONE.
WHAT'S THAT CALLED? UH, IT'S NOT CONSISTENT INCONSISTENT PRECEDENT.
UM, AND, AND, WELL, AND I USED TO USE THE TERM ALL THE TIME BECAUSE AS THE FIRE MARTIAL, I WAS VERY AWARE OF SETTING MYSELF UP FOR THOSE KINDS OF DECISIONS.
AND, AND SO WE JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, BY, BY REQUIRING SUVS FOR CERTAIN, UH, AND, AND, AND I'M NOT NECESSARILY AGAINST THAT.
I JUST, YOU KNOW, BE AWARE THAT, UH, WE'RE GONNA SET OURSELVES UP.
YOU KNOW, WHEN I MADE THOSE DECISIONS AS THE FIRE MARSHAL, I TRIED TO BE RATIONAL SO THAT I COULD SAY, WELL, I APPROVED THIS ONE BECAUSE, AND THIS, I DENIED THIS ONE BECAUSE, AND SO WE JUST NEED TO BE AWARE THAT, AND JUST KEEP IN MIND THAT WHEN WE MADE THE UDC AMENDMENTS FOR SPECIFIC USE PERMITS, WHEN WE BRING THOSE FORWARD, THESE WERE TWO RARE OCCASIONS THAT THEY'VE GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS AND WE CAN SHOW YOU THE SITE PLAN.
BUT NOW THAT SUP DOES NOT REQUIRE THEM TO GO THROUGH THE SITE PLAN.
SO THEY COULD SAY, WE'RE GONNA BUILD A REALLY TINY TAVERN, BUT IF YOU APPROVE OR RECOMMEND APPROVAL, CITY COUNCIL APPROVES THAT SUP FOR A TAVERN.
THEY CAN BUILD AS BIG OF A TAVERN AS THEY WANT TO.
SO KEEP THAT IN MIND TOO, THAT YOU'RE JUST APPROVING THE LAND USE WITH THAT SUP, NOT WHAT THAT BUILDING'S ACTUALLY GONNA LOOK LIKE, OR WHAT KIND OF SCREENING THERE HAVE THAT THAT WOULDN'T COME INTO PLAY.
SO WHEN WOULD THAT COME INTO PLAY? SO THEY'D HAVE TO MEET ALL THE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS OF THE UDC, BUT IF IT'S MAIN STREET MIXED USE, RIGHT? WE HAVE EXEMPTIONS FOR, THEY DON'T HAVE TO BUILD THE MASONRY WALL.
THEY HAVE DIFFERENT LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SEE IN, IN THE GOOD OLD DAYS WHEN WHEN SOMEBODY WANTED AN SUP, THEY HAD TO BRING US A SITE PLANT THAT SAID, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA, THIS IS WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.
SO WHY DID THAT GO AWAY? WELL, BECAUSE AS PLANNING AND OUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER POINTED OUT, THAT'S A, THAT'S A VERY EXPENSIVE PART OF THE PROCESS.
UH, IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A LOT OF MONEY TO SPEND ON AN UNCERTAINTY THAT THERE WAS NO, SO YOU GO SPEND MULTI, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL THOUSAND DOLLARS ON A SITE PLAN, BRING IT TO PNZ AND PNZ AND CITY COUNCIL SAY NO.
SO YOU'VE JUST THROWN ALL THAT MONEY.
SO THE THEORY, THE THE THINKING WAS TO SPARE THE DEVELOPERS THAT EXPENSE.
THAT THAT, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THAT'S WHERE IT CAME FROM.
NOW IT WAS, IT ALSO CAME WITH THE CAVEAT THAT IF IT WASN'T WORKING, WE COULD REVISIT IT AND CHANGE IT BACK IF WE FELT IT WAS NECESSARY.
THAT'S ONE OF MR. JAMES'S FAMOUS LITTLE THINGS.
AND IF WE DON'T LIKE IT, WE CAN CHANGE IT.
SO WHERE DOES THE EDC COME IN AT?
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WHAT'S THEIR VISION FOR THIS CITY? THE EDC? YEAH.UH, YEAH, THEY DON'T, SO I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR THE EDC BOARD.
I MEAN, WE CAN DEFINITELY, I KNOW THERE WAS A MENTION EARLIER, WHAT IS THE MAIN STREET COMMITTEE? WE, WE CAN PROPOSE ASK IF THEY WOULD COME AND GIVE A PRESENTATION.
BUT WE DID HAVE, UM, DIDN'T WE HAVE SCOTT COME AND GIVE A WORKSHOP ON THE EDC, UM, FAIRLY RECENTLY.
I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T RUN THIS CITY, BUT IF I DID, I WOULD CERTAINLY WANT TO HAVE A VISION FOR IT, RIGHT? UH, AND I WOULD WANT THAT VISION TO BE TRANSPARENT TO THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY TO SAY THAT WE WANT THIS PLACE TO BE WHATEVER OUR VISION IS.
AND WITH THAT COMES ON 1518 IN, UH, OUT NEAR CROSS FINES.
WE DO WANT BUSINESSES OUT THERE.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO JUST POINT OUT THAT WAS PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN THAT WE JUST DID IN 2024, WAS SETTING THAT VISION.
WHAT IS THE FUTURE VISION OF SHIRTS GONNA BE LIKE THAT P AND Z WAS A PART OF MAKING THAT DOCUMENT, RIGHT? AND SO, SO TAKING THAT PLAN AND THE WORK THAT WAS DONE WITH THAT, THAT WAS WITH FREEZE, FREEZE AND NIPPLES, RIGHT? MM-HMM
UH, SO ARE WE FOLLOWING IT? I MEAN, YES, YES AND NO.
BUT WE CAN'T MAKE BUSINESSES COME TO SHIRTS, RIGHT? NO, NO, NO.
I, SO THAT PART I GET, AND SO THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE.
WE CAN'T MAKE BUSINESSES COME THE, BUT WHO'S ACTUALLY OUT SOLICITING BUSINESSES TO COME TO HELP BE PART OF THE VISION THAT WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD FOR THIS CITY.
IF I CAN ADD, I DID SPEAK TO SCOTT BEFORE THIS ON WHAT HELP THEY COULD PROVIDE TO BUSINESSES ALONG MAIN STREET, AND HE DID MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THEY ARE LIMITED PER STATE LAW ON WHO THEY CAN GIVE MONEY TO.
UM, BECAUSE OF OUR POPULATION SIZE, WE'RE TOO BIG TO HELP SMALL BUSINESSES DIRECTLY, UNFORTUNATELY.
UM, TYPICALLY WHEN IT COMES TO EDC, THEIR HELP COMES IN THE WAY OF REIMBURSEMENT FOR INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO IF SOMEONE WANTED TO PUT IN A LOT OF WORK TO REDO SOME INFRASTRUCTURE.
THEY CAN HELP IN THE FORM OF REIMBURSEMENT, BUT IT CO BUT IF A SPECIFIC SMALL BUSINESS OWNER NEEDED HELP FROM EDC, THEY'RE RESTRICTED PER STATE LAW FROM HELPING IN THAT WAY.
YEAH, NO, I'M NOT ASKING FOR GOVERNMENT TO GET INVOLVED IN THAT NECESSARILY, WHETHER IT'S LOCAL, STATE, OTHERWISE, IF WE GAVE, IF WE GAVE, SORRY.
UM, IF WE GAVE THIS LIST TO THE MAIN STREET COMMITTEE THAT WE WERE ALL SITTING THERE CHERRY PICKING OFF, WHAT WOULD THEY SAY THAT, THAT'S THE QUESTION FROM THEM IS IF, HERE'S THE LIST THAT WE HAVE, Y'ALL ARE, Y'ALL, Y'ALL ARE THE COMMITTEE FOR THIS.
WHAT ON THIS LIST ARE YOU LOOKING AT AND WHAT ARE Y'ALL, WHAT ARE Y'ALL WANTING? WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS Y'ALL'S DRIVER? I THINK IF WE HEARD FROM THEM LIKE, WELL, WE, WE WANT A WHOLE BUNCH OF BAKERIES AND BOOKSTORES AND, AND DAYCARE CENTERS NEXT TO A DANCE HALL.
OKAY, NOW WE KNOW WHAT, NOW WE KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING.
AT LEAST WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT THEIR VISION IS SO WE CAN START MAKING DECISIONS THAT ALIGN WITH IT INSTEAD OF RIGHT NOW WHERE WE'RE KIND OF GUESSING.
UM, EDC IS LOOKING AT BIGGER THINGS DOWN THE ROAD.
THEY'RE LOOKING AT LARGER, MUCH LARGER RETAIL.
UM, BUT I THINK IF WE GOT FROM THE COMMITTEE'S POINT OF VIEW, HERE'S OUR LIST OF THINGS THAT, THAT WE CAN LOOK AT.
WHAT ARE Y'ALL SEEING? SO WE CAN KIND OF START TO TAILOR WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE HEARING AND GO, OKAY, WE SEE WHERE THEIR PLAN IS, WE UNDERSTAND IT, AND NOW WE CAN KIND OF, IT, IT'LL HELP US MAKE SMARTER DECISIONS.
I THINK THAT'S A GREAT SUGGESTION.
UM, WE COULD DEFINITELY DISCUSS IT, UM, WITH MANAGEMENT AND, AND SEE IF WE CAN, WHAT I'M ENVISIONING IS WE ALMOST WRITE OUT ALL THESE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS, TAKE THAT TO THE MAIN STREET COMMITTEE, GET THEIR FEELINGS, SEE IF P AND Z IS ALIGNING OR IF THEY GO, NO, WE, WE WANT TAVERNS BY.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'RE LOOKING TO CHANGE TO MAKE THE SUP AND GET THAT, UM, DIRECT CORRESPONDENCE FROM THEM BEFORE WE COME BACK TO THE P AND Z FOR ANY ACTUAL FORMAL RECOMMENDATIONS.
UH, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, I THINK BEFORE WE GO TO COUNCIL, WE NEED TO KIND OF HEAR FROM THEM BEFORE WE MAKE ANYTHING MUD ISH BEFORE WE'RE NOT EVEN IN THE CONCRETE PHASE.
I THINK IF WE TALK TO THEM AND KIND OF GET WHERE THEIR VISION IS, THAT'LL GIVE US A CLEAR INTERPRETATION OF HOW WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD TO SUPPORT THEIR IDEA AND, AND JUST TO, TO MAKE A FINAL POINT ABOUT THAT,
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NOT THAT I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD GET THEIR OPINION.I DON'T THINK OUR OPINION NECESSARILY HAS TO ALIGN WITH WHAT THEY'RE THINKING AND I THINK IT'S OKAY FOR US TO HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION.
I PERSONALLY, I LIKE THE, THE SUGGESTION AND THE IDEA THAT, UM, THE PLANNERS WRITE, WRITE UP WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT AND GO VISIT.
BECAUSE THE MAIN STREET COMMITTEE IS BASICALLY, IS THERE ANYBODY ON IT THAT ISN'T A COUNCIL MEMBER? YEAH.
UH, I THINK IT'S MAYBE FOUR OF THE COUNCIL PEOPLE.
UM, BUT ANYWAY, UM, AND, AND YOU KNOW, THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK, UH, AND, AND AS I SAID EARLIER, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT HAVE THE VISION, UH, OF, OF WHAT MAIN STREET SHOULD BE.
AND SO I DON'T THINK IT'S A BAD IDEA TO SHARE OUR DISCUSSION TONIGHT WITH THEM AND GET THEIR TAKE ON IT.
I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR THEIR VISION.
SO WE CAN DEFINITELY ASK IF THEY, THEY WOULD COME AND DO A JOINT WORKSHOP, PNC, MAIN STREET COMMITTEE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
OR, OR MAYBE JUST AS YOU SUGGESTED, YOU KNOW, WRITE THIS STUFF UP AND THEN MAYBE YOU MEET WITH THEM AND THEN I, YOU KNOW, MAYBE JUST ONE OF 'EM COME AND STAND THERE AND SAY, HERE'S WHAT THE COMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, AND PRESENT THE COMMITTEE'S, UM, VISION, IF YOU WILL.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO GET ALL OF THEM TOGETHER IN A JOINT WORKSHOP, BUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU, UH, YEAH, SOUNDS GOOD.
WE WILL MOVE FORWARD IN THAT DIRECTION.
ALRIGHT, WELL WE WILL KEEP IT MOVING.
SIX A ANY OTHER REQUESTS BY COMMISSIONERS TO PLACE ITEMS ON A FUTURE AGENDA? NO.
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I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, UM, I, I KNOW HE IS NOT HERE AND IF HE HAPPENS TO WATCH THIS, GREAT.WE WOULD LIKE TO, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK COMMISSIONER CARBONE FOR HIS TIME, UM, SERVING ON THIS COMMISSION AND UM, I'M SURE WE ALL WISH HIM THE BEST IN ANY FUTURE ENDEAVORS.
UM, WE ALSO, I'M SURE THE APPLICATION IS STILL OPEN FOR ANY CITIZENS WHO WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A SEAT ON THIS, UH, COMMISSION AND UH, WE DO HAVE TWO ALTERNATE SPOTS TO FILL.
UM, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, WE USUALLY, UM, THEY'LL BE SERVING AS WELL.
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ELSE? NO STAFF ANYTHING.MAY HAVE SEEN HIM SITTING IN THE WINGS.
OUR NEW FACE, UH, BRANDON ELLIOT IS JOINING US.
HE IS, UM, PLANNER JUST STARTED LAST WEEK, SO HE IS BEEN A WEEK AND A HALF AND HE IS STILL COMING BACK EACH DAY, SO THAT'S GOOD NEWS.
UM, I THINK THIS WAS A GREAT FIRST P AND Z MEETING TO EXPERIENCE.
HE COMES WITH A LOT OF EXPERIENCE, UM, BOTH FROM DRIPPING SPRINGS IN HAYES COUNTY AND WE'RE ALL JUST VERY EXCITED FOR HIM TO BE WITH US ON THE TEAM.
UM, YEAH, IT'S BEEN LIKE SHE SAID, IT'S BEEN A WEEK.
UM, I'M ORIGINALLY FROM SHIRTS.
I WENT TO STEEL, UH, EVERYWHERE.
SO FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA BACK THEN, BUT IT'S GROWN A LOT SINCE I'VE BEEN BACK.
SO FULL TIME GO BUFFS OR SOMETHING? UH, STILL NOBODY.
NOT ANOTHER AGGIE IS HE? NO, NO.
LOOK FORWARD TO MEETING YOU GUYS AND WORK WITH YOU GUYS IN THE FUTURE.
UH, WE HAVE NO FURTHER BUSINESS.