May 06, 2026 Planning &amp; Zoning Commission

SO WITH THAT, WE WILL MOVE ON TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA.

THAT WAS EVERYBODY SIGNED UP.

UH, THERE WILL BE ANOTHER PUBLIC COMMON OPPORTUNITY AT THE INDIVIDUAL ITEMS.

[4. CONSENT AGENDA:]

UM, THIS IS THE MINUTES FROM APRIL 1ST.

WERE THERE ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES OF THE APRIL 1ST MEETING.

SECOND COMMISSIONER HUGHES OR GREEDY.

THERE'S A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM APRIL 1ST BY COMMISSIONER MCMASTER, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HUGHES.

IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS, PLEASE VOTE.

I HAVE SEVEN.

CAN WE PUBLISH THAT? THAT MOTION CARRIES.

ITEM FIVE A-P-L-Z-C 2 0 2 6 0 0 2 8.

AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, UM, AT 6 0 1, COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ ENTERED THE ROOM.

[A. PLZC20260028 - Hold a public hearing and make a recommendation on a zone change request on approximately 2.1 acres of land from Pre-Development District (PRE) to General Business District (GB), generally located at the southeast corner of the intersection of FM 1518 and Ray Corbett Dr, also known as a portion of Bexar County Property Identification Number 1103267, City of Schertz, Texas.]

ALL RIGHT.

MOVING FORWARD.

HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON A ZONE CHANGE REQUEST ON APPROXIMATELY 2.1 ACRES OF LAND FROM PRE-DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT TO GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.

UH, GENERALLY LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION OF FM 1518 AND RAY CORBETT DRIVE, ALSO KNOWN AS A PORTION OF BEXAR COUNTY PROPERTY IDENTIFICATION NUMBER ONE ONE TEN THREE TWO SIX SEVEN.

CITY OF SHIRTS, TEXAS DAISY ZONE CHANGE TO GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT DAISY MARQUEZ SENIOR PLANNER.

HERE'S THE SUBJECT PROPERTY OUTLINING IN YELLOW.

IT'S CURRENTLY ZONE PRE-DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.

IT'S UNDEVELOPED.

IT'S PART OF A LARGER, APPROXIMATELY 30 ACRE TRACT THAT IS ALSO ZONE PRE-DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.

UH, FURTHER TO THE EAST OF THE PROPERTY IS RAY CORBETT.

JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL TO THE NORTH IS RAY CORBET DRIVE A RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR.

AND THEN TO THE WEST WE HAVE FM 1518, WHICH IS A PRINCIPAL ARTERIAL AND A TXDOT ROAD.

UH, TONIGHT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT FOR A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

AND THIS ZONE CHANGE IS BEING ACCOMPANIED BY THE NEXT HEARING, WHICH IS P-L-S-P-U 2 26 0 30.

HERE'S THE DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR

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PRE-DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AND GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.

AND THEN AS YOU'LL SEE, PRE-DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT DOESN'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING, AND THAT'S BECAUSE IT WAS INTENDED TO BE A PLACEHOLDER AFTER PROPERTIES WERE ANNEXED.

UM, NOW THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING GB, WHICH ALLOWS, USES LIKE APPLIANCE STORES, UH, FURNITURE AND HOME FURNISHINGS, UH, COMMUNION STORES, CAR WASHES THAT ARE AUTOMATED, THINGS LIKE THAT.

AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A COMPREHENSIVE LIST.

YOU'LL FIND THAT IN OUR PERMITTED USES TABLE.

SO WE DID SEND OUT SIX PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES TO EVERYONE WITHIN 200 FEET ON APRIL 23RD.

WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY RESPONSES AS OF TODAY, AND A PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE WILL BE POSTED IN THE SAN ANTONIO EXPRESS.

PRIOR TO THE CITY COUNCIL HEARING, TWO NOTIFICATION SIGNS WERE PLACED ON THE PROPERTY BY THE APPLICANT AND THIS IS TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED FOR THE JUNE 2ND CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

SO AGAIN, HERE'S THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

IT'S CURRENTLY ZONE PRE-DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, AND THEY'RE PROPOSING GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.

AND WHEN LOOKING AT ZONE CHANGES, STAFF LOOKS TOWARDS THE CRITERIA LISTED IN 2154 D.

THIS SUBJECT PROPERTY AND THE AREA SURROUNDING IT IS DESIGNATED AS MIXED USE CENTER IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH IS INTENDED FOR A COMBINATION OF HIGHER DENSITY HOUSING, LOCALLY SERVING, COMMERCIAL RECREATIONAL USES THAT ARE LOCATED ALONG MAJOR TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS.

SO THE PROPOSED GB ZONING TONIGHT DOES ALLOW FOR COMMERCIAL USES AND IT IS LOCATED ALONG FM 1518.

THUS, IT MEETS THE INTENT OF THE MIXED USE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION.

SO THIS PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE TO GB ALLOWS FOR LAND USES THAT WERE ACTUALLY REQUESTED DURING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ENGAGEMENT PROCESS.

UM, WE DID RECEIVE A LOT OF REQUESTS FOR COMMERCIAL USES SOUTH OF 78 TO SERVE THOSE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS.

UM, THE PROPOSED GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT DOES ALLOW USES THAT ARE COMMERCIALLY SERVING, SUCH AS RETAIL RESTAURANTS.

AND, UM, AFTER REVIEWING THE TIA THAT THEY SUBMITTED, IT DOES ADVERSELY INCREASE THE TRAFFIC AT THE INTERSECTION OF 1518 AND RAY CORBETT.

AND EVEN THOUGH IT DOES INCREASE TRAFFIC, IT CAN BE MITIGATED THROUGH IMPROVEMENTS.

UM, AS PART OF THE ZONE CHANGES, THEY DID SUBMIT A TIA SUMMARY THAT OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT REVIEWED, AND THEY CONCLUDED THAT THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE WILL INCREASE TRAFFIC ON RAY CORBETT, BUT THE INCREASE IN TRAFFIC CAN BE MITIGATED SO THAT THE CITY TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM CAN FUNCTION AT AN ACCEPTABLE LEVEL.

ENGINEERING DID PROVIDE SOME IMPROVEMENTS THAT CAN BE DONE TO MITIGATE THIS TRAFFIC, BUT I DO WANNA KNOW THAT ALTHOUGH THESE ARE POTENTIAL MITIGATION, UM, THAT CAN BE DONE, UM, ANYTHING DONE OFF OF 1518 IS GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH TEXT DOT FIRST.

SO ANY PROPOSED SIGNALIZATION IS GONNA HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY TEXT DOT AND IT'S GONNA HAVE TO GO ON THEIR TIMELINE.

ANYTHING DONE ON 15 18 4, UH, DECELING IS GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH TEXT DOT.

ANY PROPOSED ACCESS POINTS ALONG 1518 ARE GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH TDOT.

AND AGAIN, THE FINAL REQUIRED IMPROVEMENTS ARE NOT KNOWN AT THIS TIME THAT, UM, IS FIGURED OUT LATER ON THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

SO THE PROPOSED GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT IS INTENDED FOR RETAIL AND SERVICE ESTABLISHMENTS THAT ARE INTENDED TO MEET THE NEED OF THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY ALONG PRINCIPAL TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS.

AGAIN, IT ALLOWS RETAIL COMMUNITY STORES BEAUTY AND BARBERSHOPS.

UM, THIS IS NOT AN EXTENSIVE LIST, BUT THESE USES THAT ARE PERMITTED IN GB ARE CONSISTENT AND APPROPRIATE WITH EXISTING USES.

AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS MAP, THE SAR INDICATES THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FOR TONIGHT'S ZONE CHANGE, AND YOU CAN SEE THE GB ALONG 1518 ON THE OTHER SIDE.

AND IF YOU FOLLOW THAT TO THE NORTH, THAT'LL LEAD TO THE DOLLAR GENERAL.

SO STAFF HAS INSURED ALL UDC REQUIREMENTS HAVE MET FOR THIS PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE APPLICATION.

AND OUR SHIRTS, FIRE, EMS AND PD WERE NOTIFIED OF THIS PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE AND DID NOT PROVIDE OBJECTIONS.

SO THOUGH THERE ARE CONCERNS WITH THE TRAFFIC IMPACT OF THE REQUESTED ZONE CHANGE, THE PROPOSED GB IS CONSISTENT WITH THE TET OF THE COMP PLAN AND PERMITS USES THAT SERVE THE OVERALL NEEDS OF THE C COMMUNITY.

SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF PLZC 20 26 0 0 2 8, AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT AND DOES HAVE A PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU DAISY.

UH, THANKS EVERYONE FOR GIVING US THE TIME AND UH, UH, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO KIND OF PRESENTING WHAT WE ARE, WHAT'S OUR BRAND, WHAT WE'RE PLANNING TO BRING TO CITY OF SHIRTS.

UH, SO OUR BRAND IS FOODIES CORNER.

WE'RE LOCATED IN, WE GREW FROM CEDAR PARK, A SMALL CITY JUST LIKE THIS HAS BEEN GROWING OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS.

UM, AND TODAY KIND OF WANT TO JUST SHARE WITH THE NEIGHBORS JUST TO SHOW WHAT OUR PRODUCT IS, WHAT WE'RE PLANNING TO BRING ALONG, AND YEAH, AND LOVE TO GO

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AND DISCUSS THAT.

UH, SO THE BRANCH WAS STARTED, UH, BY MY DAD ABOUT 25 YEARS AGO, AND THAT STORE YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT IS CEDAR PARK.

WE STILL OWN IT, WE STILL OPERATE IT.

IT'S IN CEDAR PARK.

BEEN OPERATING THAT FOR 25 YEARS NOW.

UH, OVER THE PAST THREE, FOUR YEARS, I JOINED MY DAD ON THIS DEVELOPMENT JOURNEY AND JOINED THIS BRAND.

AND WHERE WE ARE TODAY IS WE'RE GROWING AND LOOKING FOR NEW OPPORTUNITIES, NEW CITIES TO GROW AND PUT IN OUR NEW MODEL.

AND WE CAME ACROSS SHIRTS THROUGH A MUTUAL CONNECTIONS FROM ONE OF OUR VENDORS, GOT PUT AS IN TOUCH WITH, UH, ECONOMIC PLANNING BOARD AT CITY OF SHIRTS.

DURING AN INITIAL MEETING, WE HAD DONE, UH, JUST SITE VISITS AS WE'RE TRYING TO GROW OUTSIDE OF OUR AUSTIN MSA, WE'RE LOOKING AT NEW BRAUNFELS SEIN SHIRTS.

UH, WHEN WE CAME ACROSS THIS AS WE WERE LOOKING AT SHIRTS, WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GREAT FIT FOR WHAT WE HAVE TO OFFER.

UH, SO LOOKING AT, UH, NO, KEEP GOING.

HERE ARE SOME OF THE STORES WE HAVE BUILT.

THE TOP LEFT IS BASICALLY THE STORE Y'ALL JUST SAW THAT'S FULLY REMODELED.

NOW, THIS STORE IN THE MIDDLE IS BASICALLY THE MOST RECENT STORE WE HAVE BUILT, WHICH WAS ABOUT FOUR AND A HALF YEAR AGO.

UH, THIS WAS ABOUT SIX YEARS AGO.

AND THEN THESE TWO ARE ALMOST 15 TO 20 YEARS OLD.

UH, WANTED TO SHOW YOU TO KIND OF SHOW LIKE OUR PROGRESSION AND HOW WE'VE BEEN KIND OF GETTING BETTER DOING A QUALITY BUILD AND IT KIND OF WHERE WE'VE BEEN OWNING AND OPERATING THESE IN ALL DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES MOVING FORWARD TO KIND OF SHOW WHERE WE'RE LOCATED.

SO AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE GROWN IN CEDAR PARK.

WE HAVE A LOCATION IN LEANDER, JONESTOWN, AUSTIN, EAST AUSTIN, SOUTH AUSTIN.

AND THEN YOU'LL SEE ON THAT MAP THERE ARE TWO GRAYED OUT LOCATIONS, UH, ONE'S IN LIBERTY HILL, ONE'S IN SAN MARCUS.

THESE TWO STORES ARE, ARE ACTUALLY CURRENTLY EXI UH, UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

THEY'RE GONNA BE OPENING UP THIS YEAR.

UH, LIBERTY HILLS' OPENING UP IN TWO MONTHS, SAN MARCUS OPENING UP IN SEPTEMBER.

UH, THOSE TWO STORES ARE GONNA BE OUR NEW FLAGSHIP STORE IS WHAT WE'RE PLANNING TO PROPOSE IN CITY OF SHIRTS.

AND I'LL KIND OF DISCUSS WHAT WE'RE PLANNING TO PROPOSE AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

SO THE COMMUNITIES, OUR LOCATION HAVE NOT ALWAYS, ACTUALLY, MOSTLY NEVER CATERED TO THE HIGHWAY.

WE ALL OUR LOCATIONS ARE KIND OF WITHIN NEIGHBORHOODS AND AROUND HOUSES.

THE, SOME OF THESE, MOSTLY ALL THE STORES LIKE CSO IS A 3,500, UH, UH, FAM, SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE ONE OF OUR STORES IS LOCATED.

BRYSON IS A 1500 NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE'RE RIGHT IN THE CENTER OF THAT.

IF YOU EVER GO ON A WEBSITE, YOU'LL SEE ON GOOGLE, WE'RE RIGHT INSIDE, LIKE RIGHT AT THE CORNER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND THEN EAST AUSTIN IS A URBAN LOCATION.

WE HAVE KIND OF IN, UH, IN AUSTIN.

SO WE'RE LIKE, UH, VERY CLOSE.

THERE'S ALSO SCHOOL, I WOULDN'T SAY AS CLOSE AS THIS, THIS SIDE WE HAVE, BUT WE ARE, WE, WE'RE NOT A HIGHWAY SPECIFIC.

WE'RE MORE SO GEARED TOWARDS A NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE KIND OF THINK WE LOVE WHEN WE'RE CLOSE BY AND WE CAN GROW WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO WHAT WILL OUR PROJECT BE? IT'LL BE A MODERN CONVENIENCE STORE, A FUEL STATION.

IT'S GONNA BE, WE'RE GONNA DESIGN OUR SITE TO MAKE SURE THE TRAFFIC FLOW IS, UH, SAFE.

UH, IT'S GONNA BE CLEAN, WELL LIT, AND IT'S GONNA SERVE THE DAILY COMMUNITY WITH CONVENIENCE NEED.

OUR STORES ARE APPROXIMATELY 6,000 SQUARE FEET AND WE HAVE NO ANCHORS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING ON OUR SITE, AND IT'S QUITE LARGE FOR OUR NEEDS.

AND WHAT THIS, UH, DIFFERENTIATES US FROM QUICK CRIP SEVEN ELEVENS AND THE CORPORATE STORES IS WE CARRY A LITTLE BIT MORE PRODUCTS.

WHAT I, WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS WE ARE KIND OF LIKE A MINI GROCERY STORE INSIDE A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE YOU CAN GET MILK, EGGS, YOUR DAILY GROCERY, TOILET PAPER, DOG FOOD, CAT FOOD, AND YOU CAN GET A VARIETY OF THINGS.

UM, AND WE WILL, IN A LOT OF OUR LOCATIONS, SOMETIMES WE'RE NOT IN CITY, CITY LIMITS, SO THEY DON'T HAVE STRICT ZONING OR SITE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.

IT LOOKS LIKE SHIRTS DOES.

SO WE WON'T HAVE AN ISSUE HERE, BUT USUALLY WE WILL SURPASS THOSE LIMITS, UH, IN TERMS OF LANDSCAPING, PARKING REQUIREMENTS, SITE CIRCULATION, AND UH, ADDITIONAL STUFF.

SO THIS SITE MORE SPECIFICALLY, UH, AS LOOKING AT IT, I KNOW IT'S A HUGE CONCERN WITH SCHOOLS FAMILY RESIDENT, WHAT, WHERE WE ARE CURRENTLY AND WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING, WE'RE PRETTY MUCH ALMOST 500 FEET FROM THE NEAREST SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENT.

AND THAT'S ONE HOUSE THAT'S BASICALLY ACROSS FROM US.

WE'RE 750 FEET AWAY FROM WHAT THE, THE MASTER PLAN, UH, COMMUNITY WE HAVE.

AND, UH, AS FAR AS FIELD GOES, WE'RE ABOUT A THOUSAND FEET FROM THE NEAREST BUILDING SCHOOL STRUCTURE.

UH, AND OUR SITES OBVIOUSLY WILL HAVE 24 HOUR SECURITY AND CAMERA COVERAGE.

OUR SITES ARE NOT GONNA BE 24 HOURS WHERE WE WANT THE, IT'S GONNA BE BASICALLY SOMEONE BROUGHT UP THE HOURS OF OPERATION.

WE'RE GOING FROM 6:00 AM TO USUALLY 11:00 PM AND THAT THAT'S BASICALLY IT.

SO, AND IT'S

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MONITORED THROUGHOUT THE DAY.

UH, SOMETHING THAT DAISY, AND OBVIOUSLY IT'S GONNA BE BROUGHT UP QUITE A BIT, IS THE TRAFFIC AND TIA, UH, SO WITH THIS SITE WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS AT A HARD INTERSECTION.

IT IS GONNA HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC.

UH, PART OF IT'S GONNA BE FROM OUR DEVELOPMENT.

PART OF IT'S GONNA BE WHEN THE REST OF THE TRACK GETS DEVELOPED.

WHEN WE COME IN, WE WILL BASICALLY FOLLOW ANY IMPROVEMENTS OR GUIDELINES THAT THE CITY MAY PUT ON US OR TECH STOP MAY PUT ON US AS PART OF OUR DEVELOPMENT.

AND I THINK THAT'S PRETTY STANDARD FOR US TO DO.

IF IT'S, WHETHER IT BE TURN LANES, ROADWAY EXPANSIONS ON RAY CORBETT OR ADDITIONAL, UH, TURN LANE ON 1518 WILL COMPLY WITH WHAT'S NEEDED.

UH, SOME OF THE SAFETY STUFF THAT MAY GO A LITTLE BIT TOO IN THE WEEDS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE.

SO, SO IT KIND OF TELLS YOU THE STANDARDS WE SET OUR, OUR SITE.

THIS IS MORE SO ON THE INTER INTERNAL SIDE IS WE ALWAYS USE DOUBLE WALL SEAL WALL TANKS FOR UNDERGROUND.

UH, THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER OPTIONS AND THEY'RE MADE IN USAA, THEY'RE FROM A MANUFACTURER CALLED WACO.

UH, THERE'S, UH, IN THIS INDUSTRY, EVERYONE, WHOEVER KNOWS THERE'S, YOU COULD GET TANKS FROM CHINA OUT OF COUNTRY AND THEY'RE NOT FIBERGLASS TANKS, BUT WE STICK WITH THAT GIVES US LONG SUSTAINABLE FOR 30 YEAR PLUS, UH, WARRANTIES.

UH, WE'RE USING FLEXIBLE FUEL PIPING.

THAT'S THE NEWEST IN, UH, IN THIS AGE THAT EVERYONE'S USING.

THAT'S WHAT WE INCORPORATE WITH OUR THING AS FAR AS TANK GO AND MONITORING, SOMETIMES IT'S CRITICAL.

SO WE ARE USING BASICALLY THAT, THAT MONITORING SYSTEM YOU SEE IS YOU CAN TRACK DAILY YOUR LIMITS OR IF THERE'S A LEAK.

UH, AND LASTLY IT'S THE COMPLIANCE WITH TCQ STATE AND CITY WITH NEC STORE.

UH, THERE'S ALWAYS OBVIOUSLY CONCERNS WITH GAS BEING THERE.

UH, BUT TCQ STANDARDS, I WOULD SAY ARE WAY MORE STRINGENT THAN ANY CITY OR STATE.

UH, AND WE WILL FOLLOW THOSE.

UH, SO OUR COMMITMENT IS BASICALLY TO KEEP, UH, A CLEAN, SAFE, AND WELL MANAGED SITE.

UH, WE WILL INVEST IN OUR STAFF UPKEEP TO SITE THE PROPERTY.

AND, UH, WE WANT TO BE HERE FOR THE LONG TERM.

WE'RE NOT WHERE A STORE WE'RE GONNA BE HERE.

AND IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, YOU MAY SEE A DIFFERENT OWNER.

WE, WHEN WE BUILD, WE'RE LOOKING AT 20, 25 YEARS FOR A LONG TERM.

AND, UH, YEAH, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT KIND OF ENTERING A POSITIVE ADDITION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, GOOD THING, AND SOME OF Y'ALL MAY BE FAMILIAR, UH, BUT I WANT TO SHARE, I THINK THIS WOULD ALLOW US, BUT IT'S JUST A VIDEO OF OUR STORE THAT JUST GIVES YOU A LITTLE PERSPECTIVE.

THIS IS THE MOST RECENT STORE WE HAVE BUILT.

JUST TO RUN THROUGH IT REAL QUICK.

SO YEAH, SO THIS IS ABOUT 6,000 SQUARE FEET, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S PRETTY LARGE.

IT'S PRETTY CLEAN.

THIS IS ALMOST SIX YEARS AGO AND IT'S STILL KEPT, UH, IT'S A LITTLE BLURRY.

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

OH, THERE, IT'S, UH, BUT WE CATER A LOT OF STUFF FROM A LOT OF ENERGY DRINKS TO POWER RAISE TO BEER, WINE, A LOT OF CHIPS SELECTIONS AND GROCERIES AND, UH, HAVE OUR OWN SALSAS AND CHIPS.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE IN HERE, UH, AND THEN AS WE GET FURTHER ALONG, WE'LL HAVE A, A LOT OF, UH, TAKEOUT OPTIONS, LIKE FROZEN PIZZAS AND STUFF.

AND THEN WE ALSO IN OUR STORE HAVE A FULL KITCHEN, WHICH, UH, WE'LL SERVE HOT FOOD ALL THE TIME.

AND WITH THIS ONE ON OUR SIDE, IT'S GONNA BE ANTE TEX-MEX.

AND THIS SIDE, WE HAD A BAKERY AS WELL.

UH, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT ADDING THAT COMPONENT AS WELL.

UH, SO JUST A QUICK THING, UH, SHOW Y'ALL WHAT, WHAT WE KIND OF OFFER AT ONE OF OUR SITES.

SO THIS IS A RENDERING OF OUR NEWEST STORE.

THIS IS SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT WE WOULD, UH, LIKE TO PRESENT IN CITY OF SHIRTS.

OBVIOUSLY WE'LL HAVE TO ALTER IT TO MEET CITY OF SHIRTS, BUILDING REQUIREMENTS AND ARTICULATION REQUIREMENTS THAT MAY HAVE.

UM, AND THEN TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE PERSPECTIVE, THIS IS A STORE IN LIBERTY HILL THAT'S BEING ALMOST COMPLETED.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S A VERY HIGH END, VERY MODERN, VERY CONTEMPORARY STORE.

UH, SO WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THIS OPENING.

UM, AND THEN MOVING FORWARD TO ALSO GIVE YOU A COUPLE BIT OF RENDERINGS OF HOW OUR GAS IS GONNA LOOK.

SO THE TOP LEFT IS A RENDERING OF HOW IT MAY LOOK.

THIS IS THE LIVE INSTALL OF HOW THAT'S GOING.

THESE ARE THE MOST, UH, WE'RE USING THE UP TO DATE PUMPS ON OUR SITES.

AND THEN JUST A COUPLE PICTURES OF HOW OUR INTERIOR MAY LOOK.

I DON'T HAVE THAT RIGHT NOW.

UH, AND UH, YEAH, WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE IN CHURCHS AND, UH, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS I CAN HELP WITH THAT.

SO THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

WE WILL MOVE INTO THE, UM, PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION OF THE EVENING.

JUST FOR ANYONE WHO HASN'T BEEN TO ONE OF THESE MEETINGS, UM, WHEN YOU ARE ADDRESSING, IF YOU'RE ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION, WE CAN'T RESPOND.

SO WE'RE TAKING NOTES OF ANYTHING Y'ALL ARE SAYING, BUT WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO RESPOND

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TO QUESTIONS.

SO, UM, WHEN YOU WILL, YOU'LL JUST COME UP, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES IF YOU'LL STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND THEN, UM, WE'LL, WE'LL LET YOU KNOW WHEN YOUR TIME'S UP.

SO, UM, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT UP.

IT IS SIX 20.

WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT.

JUST COME ON UP AS THE, AS PEOPLE ARE DONE.

MY NAME'S ROD FISHER.

I LIVE AT 1 0 2 2 4 AURORA SKY, THAT'S IN THE WILLOW GROVE SUBDIVISION.

I'M PROBABLY ABOUT TWO TENTHS OF A MILE, MAYBE A LITTLE MORE THAN THAT FROM THE PROPOSED LOCATION.

THANKS FOR THE BRIEFING, BY THE WAY.

UH, THAT WAS GOOD.

UH, I KNOW WE LIVE IN A CAR CENTRIC, UH, SOCIETY AND WE NEED GAS STATIONS.

UH, IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT ONE WOULD BE PUT THAT CLOSE TO OUR HOUSES.

WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE VOLATILE ORGANIC COMPOUNDS THAT BLEACH FROM THESE TANKS.

I SPENT 40 YEARS AS A FUELS, UH, GUY, UH, DID, UH, UH, GOT A TECHNICAL DEGREE IN PETROLEUM LOGISTICS.

AND, UH, I SPENT A LOT OF TIME, UH, MANAGING GAS STATIONS AND FUEL TERMINALS.

I'M AWFUL CONCERNED ABOUT THE VOLGA, UH, THE, THE ORGANIC COMPOUND LEAKAGE.

AND I'D, I'D LIKE TO KNOW, UH, IF THERE'S GONNA BE SOME MITIGATION EFFORTS.

I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING ON YOUR SLIDE, AND I UNDERSTAND GETTING IN THE WEEDS WOULD BE DIFFICULT, BUT, UH, THERE'S A TYPE ONE AND TYPE TWO VAPOR RECOVERY SYSTEM ON MOST GAS STATIONS.

ONE ON THE DELIVERY TRUCKS AND ONE ON THE CAR DELIVERIES.

WONDERING IF THAT'S GONNA BE PART OF YOUR GAS STATION.

HOW MANY TANKS ARE WE TALKING AND WHAT GRADES? UH, WHAT SIZE? I, I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT.

UM, UH, GREAT.

I, I'D LIKE, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO KNOW.

YOU DID HAVE ONE STATEMENT UP THERE SAYING THAT THE FUEL EVENT LINES WOULD BE ROUTED THROUGH GAS INDUSTRY.

I THINK I SAID I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANT, WHAT THAT STATEMENT MEANT ON ONE OF YOUR SLIDES.

I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THAT MEANT.

IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME.

YES, THE GAS INDUSTRY, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANT AND, AND I ROUTED A LOT OF LINES OF MY TIME.

SO I, THAT WAS SOMETHING A MYSTERY TO ME.

BUT THERE ARE SAFETY DISTANCE CRITERIA.

MOST OF THE TIME WE TALK A HUNDRED METERS, 300 FEET IS KIND OF A STANDARD INDUSTRY PRACTICE FOR US TO KEEP OUR GAS STATIONS AWAY FROM RESIDENCES AND BUILDINGS.

KIND OF CONCERNED ABOUT THE CHILDREN'S PLAYGROUND AT THE SCHOOL OVER THERE AT, AT, UH, CORBETT.

I'M SURPRISED THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OR SOMEBODY HASN'T ELEVATED THAT, BUT THAT IF YOU GO OUT, I, I DRIVE BY THAT PLAYGROUND EVERY DAY.

THERE'S KIDS OUT THERE PLAYING AND THAT'S A LOT CLOSER THAN WHAT YOU HAD FOR YOUR STRUCTURE FEET UP THERE.

AND THOSE KIDS ARE GONNA BE IN THAT PLAYGROUND PROBABLY SUCKING UP THOSE ORGANIC COMPOUNDS THAT YOU GUYS NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT.

UH, SO, UH, THAT'S AN IMPORTANT POINT.

UH, THE SAFETY DISTANCE CRITERIA FOR US IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, LIKE I SAY, IT'S 300 FEET, YOU'RE PROBABLY SEVEN OR 800 FEET AWAY FROM THE HOUSE ON THE EDGE OF OUR SUBDIVISION.

A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY THAT THAT 300 FEET CRITERIA IS FOUR OR FIVE TIMES TOO LOW.

SO THAT, THAT, THAT'S A, THAT'S AN ARGUMENT POINT.

BUT, UH, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ANY MITIGATION, UH, LIKE THE TYPE ONE OR TYPE TWO VAPOR RECOVERY SYSTEMS ON THE NOZZLES, ON, ON DELIVERY AND ON VEHICLES.

AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ANY KIND OF FOLIAGE OR TREES BECAUSE THEY SAY THAT DOES KIND OF MITIGATE THE EMISSION OR THE VOLATILE COMPOUNDS FROM SPREADING, UH, HELPS THEM DISSEMINATE QUICKER.

UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT ANY FENCING OR ANY, ANY TREES IN THAT ARE GONNA HELP, UH, MANAGE THOSE, UH, UH, EMISSIONS.

THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING I'D BE INTERESTED IN KNOWING AS WELL.

WITH THAT, I THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME A COUPLE MINUTES TO SPEAK AND APPRECIATE EVERYBODY.

ANYBODY ELSE? GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE? WELL, IT'S 6 23.

I'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

UH, COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS? COMMENTS, UH, MR. ALLAH? WELL, I'D LIKE TO START OFF BY SAYING THIS IS THIS, THIS IS THE SAME PROBLEM WE HAVE EVERY TIME.

WHEN THESE PROJECTS CAME IN.

THE, UM, THE SUBJECT BEFORE US RIGHT NOW IS NOT THE CONVENIENCE STORE, IT'S THE ZONING.

AND IT'S, IT'S UH, AND I'M PROBABLY STEPPING ON THE CHAIRMAN'S, UH, TOES HERE, BUT THIS IS ALWAYS THE ISSUE.

UM, OUR FIRST DECISION IS WHETHER OR NOT GENERAL BUSINESS IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE LOCATION, YES OR NO.

AND THEN THE SECOND WE'LL MOVE ON LATER TO WHETHER OR NOT IT'S AN APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR A GAS, FOR A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS PUMPS.

SO, UM, AND I WOULD APPRECIATE IT, UH, DURING THE NEXT COMMENT IF YOU TALK TO THE COMMISSION AND NOT TO THE APPLICANT.

SO ANY COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IS REQUIRED TO HAVE AT LEAST NINE TREES PER ACRE.

UM, SO A COUPLE THINGS.

STACY, CAN YOU GO OVER, I KNOW THE QUESTION WAS ASKED, WE HAVE LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS.

SO LET'S ASSUME THIS IS, THIS IS ZONED TO GENERAL BUSINESS AND UM, THEN THEY'RE PROPOSING THE GAS STATION, THERE WOULD BE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS AS A PART OF THAT, CORRECT? YES.

YEAH,

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SO THIS IS A 2.1 ACRE LOT THAT'S APPROXIMATELY A MINIMUM OF 18 TREES.

AND WE WOULD REQUIRE SHEA TREES.

PEOPLE TYPICALLY USE OAKS OR ELMS IN THIS LOCA IN OUR AREA JUST BECAUSE THEY GROW EASY.

UM, ON TOP OF THAT, ALONG RAY CORBETT AND FM 1518, WE WOULD REQUIRE ONE TREE EVERY 20 LINEAR FEET.

UM, AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, ADJACENT TO ALL OTHER NON-RESIDENTIAL ZONING.

SO ONLY LOOKING AT THE 2.1 ACRES, WE WOULD ONLY REQUIRE A FIVE FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER WITH ONE TREE EVERY 100 FEET.

SINCE THEY'RE PARCELING OUT TWO ACRES OUT OF THE APPROXIMATELY 30 THAT IS THE LARGER TRACT.

NO MASONRY SCREENING, MASONRY SCREENING OR ADDITIONAL SCREENING ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL WOULD BE REQUIRED.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

AND IS THERE A WAY THE TO, TO PAY OUT OF THAT REQUIREMENT OR NO, WE DO NOT OFFER THAT.

IF ANYBODY WANTS ANY SORT OF DIFFERENT TYPE OF LANDSCAPING, THEY WOULD HAVE TO ESSENTIALLY COME TO THE P AND Z IF EVEN POSSIBLE.

BUT, UM, TYPICALLY WHEN IT COMES TO SITE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS, THAT'S OUR MINIMUM EXPECTATION.

UM, I DO HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.

UM, IF, IF YOU'RE AVAILABLE, SO LIKE IT WAS MENTIONED AT THE TOP OF THE MEETING, WE HEARD A VERY SIMILAR ITEM FOR A VERY SIMILAR LOCATION RIGHT UP THE WAY.

SURE.

AND, UM, HA HAVE YOU REACHED OUT TO ANY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS? UH, NO.

AS PERSONALLY, WE HAVE NOT REACHED OUT.

I THINK THE REASON WHY WE DIDN'T IS WHAT FROM PREVIOUS FROM, UH, THE ECONOMIC AND EVEN THE PREVIOUS MAYOR, WHAT WE HEARD WAS A LOT OF THEIR RESERVATIONS WERE GAS STATION BEING LITERALLY ON SHARING THE SAME FENCE AS THE RESIDENT.

AND WHEN WE HAD KIND OF HIGH LEVEL APPROACH LIKE, HEY, IS IT WORTH IT FOR US TO PUT IN THIS EFFORT, PUT IN THE DOLLARS TO COME AND COME IN THIS DESIGN AND DO A TIA TO EVEN PROPOSE THIS SITE? I THINK THE BIGGEST THING WHAT WE HEARD WAS THE PROXIMITY TO THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENT, I THINK RIGHT THERE, WHICH WAS THE BIGGEST THING.

AND THROUGHOUT THIS 1518 CORRIDOR AS IT'S BEING EXPANDED, THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES, BUT WE WERE TRYING TO SEE WHAT FITS THE BEST AND I THINK WHAT WE THINK IS THIS TRACK SERVES WELL 'CAUSE IT MAY HAVE OTHER MIXED USE OPPORTUNITY THAT MAY WILL PROBABLY TRIGGER ON.

WOULD YOU OPERATE, DO ANY OF YOUR STORES OPERATE WITHOUT THE GAS COMPONENT OR IS IT, IS IT, NO.

SO WE'VE GOT THAT QUESTION QUITE A BIT.

UH, AND YEAH, I MEAN, WE WISH THERE'S NO GAS COMPONENT, BUT TO JUST PUT IT, FRANKLY, WHEN WE'RE PUTTING THE AMOUNT OF INVESTMENT OF ALMOST EIGHT, SEVEN PLUS MILLION, THAT COMPONENT HELPS US WITH THE FINANCIAL ASPECT OF IT.

AND IF WE DON'T, WE'RE GONNA GET KILLED BY THE BIGGER GROCERY STORES FROM HEBS AND STUFF LIKE THAT WHERE WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SUSTAIN A SMALL LITTLE GROCERY STORE OR DOLLAR GENERALS AND COMING UP.

DOES ANYBODY ELSE, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER ATWELL? WELL AGAIN, UM, THE TOPIC AT HAND IS ZONING.

AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, I KEEP COMING BACK TO, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND IS IF, IF, IF WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO GENERAL BUSINESS, ANYTHING ON THAT LIST CAN BE BUILT ANYTHING, SOME OF WHICH MAY NOT BE DESIRABLE.

UM, I DON'T KNOW.

UM, UNFORTUNATELY, NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES, UM, DOESN'T ALLOW CONVENIENCE STORES WITH GAS PUMPS.

UH, BUT IT'S A MUCH NARROWER LIST OF, OF, OF WHAT YOU CAN PUT IN.

UM, WHAT IS THE GRAND PLAN FOR RAY CORBETT DRIVE? I, I, I CAN SEE THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S ONE OF THE PRIMARY ACCESS ROADS.

UM, AND I I I CAN NEVER REMEMBER THE NAME OF THAT SUBDIVISION BACK THERE, BUT, BUT ISN'T THERE, ISN'T THAT GONNA CONTINUE ON INTO OTHER SUBDIVISIONS BACK THERE? Y YES, SO MR. ALA, THIS IS, UM, THE R VALLEY SUBDIVISION.

FIND A WAY TO COME WITH A PARTNERSHIP TO CREATE THAT MITIGATION FOR THE TRAFFIC.

THAT'S ADJACENT TO RAY CORBITT.

UM, UNFORTUNATELY RAY CORBITT IS A RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR, SO IT'S ONE OF OUR LOWER TIER ROADS.

UM, WHEN IT COMES TO EXPANSION OF THE ROAD OR ANY IMPROVEMENTS, ESSENTIALLY IT WOULD JUST BE WIDENING WHEN IT COMES TO DE UM, DESAL LANES OR RIGHT AND LEFT TURN LANES.

IT REALLY DEPENDS ON, ESSENTIALLY, LET'S SAY FOR EXAMPLE, TO EXPAND THE AREA OVER HERE WHERE, UM, WE HAVE THE HATCHING, THE DEVELOPER WOULD ESSENTIALLY HAVE TO PARTNER WITH WHOEVER OWNS THIS LAND TO ACQUIRE THAT RIGHT OF WAY OR ESSENTIALLY

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UM, IT IS ON OUR MTP ROAD DESIGNATED AS A RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR, BUT, UM, I'M NOT AWARE IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, AT THE TOP OF THE CIP LIST.

IS THAT WHAT IT IS ON OUR MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLAN IS JUST A RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR? CORRECT, SIR.

IT NEVER INTENDED TO BE ANYTHING ELSE.

CORRECT.

AND AGAIN, I DO WANNA KNOW KIND OF HOW YOU WERE SAYING MR. OUTLAW, THE, THE ZONE CHANGE CAN BE APPROVED, THE SEP CAN BE APPROVED OR DENY, UM, BUT THE SEP DEPENDS ON THE ZONE CHANGE.

WELL, I UNDERSTAND THAT, AND, AND AGAIN, IT'S OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

THESE THINGS COME IN AS A PAIR.

CORRECT.

AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO TALK ABOUT ONE WITHOUT TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER.

AND, AND MAYBE WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO SPLIT 'EM UP.

MAYBE YOU CAN'T BRING THEM IN AT THE SAME TIME.

SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER OUTLAW.

MAY MAYBE THAT WOULD HELP TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM.

UM, BUT YOU KNOW, I I, THIS IS MY 10TH YEAR ON PNZ NINTH YEAR AND IT'S, IT'S BEEN THAT WAY FOREVER AND IT JUST MAKES IT REALLY DIFFICULT.

I'LL PUT MY SOAPBOX AWAY.

ANYBODY ELSE? WELL, REAL QUICK, BEFORE I INTEND ANY MOTION, I, I'LL BE UPFRONT WITH THE APPLICANT.

I, I DO SUPPORT THE GENERAL BUSINESS JUST BASED ON THE COMP PLAN AND BASED ON THOSE, I MEAN THE COMP PLAN, WE DID IT IN 2322, SO IT'S NOT TERRIBLY OLD.

SO TO RECOGNIZE THIS IS, YEAH, I MEAN IT'S ALONG A MERIT MAJOR THOROUGHFARE.

UM, SO THAT ASPECT I, I DO AGREE WITH, BUT, UM, I, I THINK MY PREVIOUS COMMENTS ABOUT THE, THE GAS STATIONS WOULD, WOULD STILL STAND.

SO, UM, WITH THAT I'LL ENTERTAIN MOTIONS.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

UM, LET ME GET BACK UP TO THE TOP.

PLZC 2 0 2 6 0 0 2 8.

THERE A SECOND.

YES.

JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL? CORRECT.

AND I WILL SECOND THAT, THAT IS A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PLZC 2 0 2 6 0 0 2 8.

AND THIS IS FOR THE, UH, PROPOSED REZONING SEPARATE THAN THE GAS STATION USE PERMIT, UM, BY COMMISSIONER RICK MASTERS.

IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS, PLEASE VOTE.

I HAVE SEVEN VOTES.

CAN WE PLEASE PUBLISH THAT? THAT MOTION CARRIES.

P'S P-L-S-P-U 2 0 2 6 0 0 3 0 HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO ALLOW A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS PUMPS ON APPROXIMATELY 2.1 ACRES OF LAND, GENERALLY LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION OF F FM 1518 AND RAY CORPORATE DRIVE, ALSO KNOWN AS A PORTION OF BEAR COUNTY PROPERTY IDENTIFICATION NUMBER 1 1 0 3 2 6 7 CITY, TEXAS, DAISY.

MOVING ON.

[B. PLSPU20260030 - Hold a public hearing and make a recommendation on a Specific Use Permit to allow a convenience store with gas pumps on approximately 2.1 acres of land, generally located at the southeast corner of the intersection of FM 1518 and Ray Corbett Dr, also known as a portion of Bexar County Property Identification Number 1103267, City of Schertz, Texas.]

GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.

ONCE AGAIN P-L-S-P-U 20 26 0 0 3 0.

SO WE'RE HERE TO, UM, HEAR THE PROPOSED SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO ALLOW CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS PUMPS ON APPROXIMATELY 2.1 ACRES.

DAISY MARQUEZ SENIOR PLANNER.

WE ARE DISCUSSING THE SAME PROPERTY THAT WE JUST HEARD.

IT IS OUTLINED IN YELLOW.

AGAIN, UM, THIS IS ACCOMPANIED BY THE ZONE CHANGE, UM, TO ALLOW GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT ON THESE 2.1 ACRES.

AND AGAIN, HERE ARE THE DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS AND, UH, SOME OF THE PERMITTED USES WITHIN GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.

WE DID SEND OUT SIX PUBLIC NOTICES FOR THIS SUP ON APRIL 23RD.

WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY RESPONSES.

UM, A PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE WILL BE PUBLISHED IN THE PAPER.

PRIOR TO CITY COUNCIL, TWO NOTIFICATION SIGNS WERE POSTED BY THE APPLICANT AND THIS IS TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED FOR THE JUNE 2ND CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

SO THIS IS BEING HEARD SEPARATELY AS A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT BECAUSE PER UDC SECTION 2158, A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS PUMPS REQUIRES AN APPROVED SPECIFIC USE PERMIT IN GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.

AND AGAIN, UH, THIS APPLICATION IS BEING ACCOMPANIED BY THE ZONE CHANGE.

SOMEONE LOOKING AT SPECIFIC USE PERMITS, UH, STAFF EVALUATES IT BASED ON THE CRITERIA IN 21 5 11 D.

UM, ESSENTIALLY, AGAIN, AS WE HAVE ALREADY DISCUSSED, THIS AREA IS DESIGNATED AS MIXED USE CENTER.

THE PROPOSED SUP IS LOCATED ALONG EVAN 1518, WHICH IS

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A PRINCIPAL ARTERIAL.

UM, AND THE PROPOSED SEP DOES NOT VIOLATE THE INTENT OF THE MIXED USE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION.

THE CURRENT PRE-DEVELOPMENT ZONING IS JUST A PLACEHOLDER FOR PROPERTIES.

AGAIN, THE APPLICANT'S ALSO PROPOSING GB ZONING, WHICH IS INTENDED FOR RETAIL AND SERVICE USES THE PROPOSED, UM, SE P'S INTENDED FOR A GAS STATION, WHICH MEETS THE INTENT OF THE GB DISTRICT.

SO CURRENTLY WITHIN THE CITY OF SHEZ, THERE ARE NO ORDINANCES THAT ARE ADOPTED TO RESTRICT THE DISTANCE OF A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS PUMPS FROM A SCHOOL.

NOR ARE THERE ANY ORDINANCES THAT REQUIRE A CERTAIN DISTANCE OF A SEPARATION FOR ALCOHOL SALES IN SCHOOLS.

UM, A CONVENIENCE STORE IS PERMITTED BY WRIGHT AND GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.

AGAIN, WE'RE JUST HERE FOR THE SUP FOR THE GAS PUMPS AND THE CRI, UH, THE PROPOSED GB ZONING IS COMPATIBLE WITH EXISTING ZONING AND LAND USES IN THE AREA.

UM, WE DO WANNA NOTE THAT THIS SUP AND ZONE CHANGE ARE ONLY FOR 2.1 ACRES OF A LARGER APPROXIMATELY 30 ACRE TRACT.

THERE ARE NO CURRENT APPLICATIONS FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE 30 ACRE TRACT.

UM, AND I DO WANNA NOTE THAT THE INTERSECTION THAT THIS SUP IS BEING PROPOSED ON IS 1518, WHICH IS A PRINCIPAL ARTERIAL TDOT ROAD.

ANYTHING BEING PROPOSED ON 1518 IS GONNA BE HAVE TO REVIEWED BY, UH, TDOT.

SO QUITE LITERALLY THE PLA THE SITE PLAN BUILDING PERMITS ARE GONNA HAVE TO BE REVIEWED BY T BEFORE WE APPROVE ANYTHING.

AND THEN AGAIN, RAY CORBETT DRIVE IS A RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR IN OUR MTP ROAD.

UM, WHEN IT COMES TO ACCESS POINTS, UH, THAT'S EVALUATED LATER IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

AND THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS WITH THE PROXIMITY TO RAY CORBETT, BUT IT IS NOT ADJACENT TO IT.

AND AGAIN, UM, THAT SAME TIA THAT WAS SUBMITTED FOR THE ZONE CHANGE WAS ALSO USED FOR THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.

THERE ARE CONCERNS WITH THE INCREASE IN TRAFFIC ON RAY CORBETT.

THERE ARE SOME MITIGATING MITIGATION EFFORTS THAT CAN BE DONE.

UM, BUT AGAIN, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE REQUIRED MITIGATION EFFORTS WERE LOOKED LIKE AT THIS POINT.

AND AGAIN, THE PROPOSED SUP LOCATION IS NOT IDEAL AT THIS INTERSECTION OF A RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR IN PRINCIPAL ARTERIAL AND TRAFFIC WILL BE ADVERSELY AFFECTED ON RAY CORBETT, BUT IT IS NOT ADJACENT OR SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL USES IN ZONING, AS YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE.

AND THE TRAFFIC MITIGATION EFFORTS, UM, WILL BE REQUIRED.

AND THERE IS A POSSIBILITY OF THEM.

THE PROPOSED SUP DOES MEET THE UDC REQUIREMENTS.

FIRE EMS AND PD DID REVIEW THE PROPOSED SUP AND DID NOT PROVIDE OBJECTIONS.

UH, PD DID GO BACK AND EVALUATE THE NUMBER OF CALLS FOR SERVICE WHEN IT COMES TO A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS PUMPS AND PROXIMITIES TO SCHOOLS, AND THEY DID NOT FIND A CORRELATION BETWEEN THE TWO.

UM, SOME ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS.

UH, STAFF DID SOME ADDITIONAL RESEARCH TO FIND SOME BEST PRACTICES FOR GAS PUMPS IN PROXIMITY TO SCHOOLS.

WE DID FIND AN EPA REPORT FROM 2015, BUT IT PROVIDED MORE SCHOOL SITING GUIDELINES FOR NEW SCHOOLS.

UM, AND IT DID NOT PROVIDE ANY SPECIFIC GUIDANCE ON THE PROXIMITY TO CONVENIENCE STORES WITH GAS PUMPS.

WE ALSO LOOKED AT EXISTING SCHOOLS IN PROXIMITY TO CONVENIENCE STORES WITH GAS PUMPS.

SO ONE EXAMPLE IS SAMUEL CLEMENS.

UM, IT'S LO UH, THE CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS PUMPS IS LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF SHORTZ PARKWAY, WHICH IS A PRINCIPAL ARTERIAL AND ELBOW ROAD, A COMMERCIAL COLLECTOR.

AGAIN ALONG BERTES AND I 35.

WE HAVE KOEL CREEK ELEMENTARY AND DANVILLE MIDDLE SCHOOL.

UM, THE CIRCLE K THAT'S AT THAT CORNER OF I 35 IN HUBERTUS ROAD IS TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THAT MAJOR TRANSPORTATION CORRIDOR AND THAT HARD INTERSECTION OF TWO PRINCIPAL ARTERIALS.

ANOTHER SCHOOL IS A SCHOOL OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY.

AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S UM, ALONG FAIR LAWN AND I 35 KIND OF NESTLED IN FRONT OF A RESIDENTIAL, UH, SUBDIVISION.

THE CLOSEST CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS PUMPS IS AGAIN LOCATED AT A HARD CORNER.

SO THAT'S, UM, AT THE HARD CORNER OF FM 1103, A PRINCIPAL ARTERIAL AND I 35 ACCESS ROAD, ANOTHER PRINCIPAL ARTERIAL.

SO AS YOU CAN SEE, A LOT OF THESE CONVENIENCE STORES WITH GAS PUMPS IN PROXIMITY TO SCHOOLS THAT WE HAVE EXISTED IN THE CITY OF CHARLOTTES ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THOSE IN INTERSECTIONS OF MAJOR TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS.

UM, WHEN STAFF WAS EVALUATING THIS PROPOSED SUP, WE WERE THINKING, UM, ESSENTIALLY WHAT IS THERE IN RELATION TO THE PROXIMITY OF SCHOOLS WHEN WE WERE BREAKING IT DOWN.

IDEALLY, SCHOOLS ARE TO BE LOCATED WITHIN RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS.

WE WANT KIDS TO WALK TO SCHOOL SAFE, TRAVEL TO SCHOOL.

SO IF YOU THINK SHIRTS ELEMENTARY SCHOOL THAT'S LOCATED NESTLED BETWEEN A HISTORIC AREA OF SHIRTS AND ALSO WILDER IN INTERMEDIATE SCHOOL THAT YOU SEE, UM, HERE OUTLINED IN YELLOW, THERE'S QUITE LITERALLY NESTLED IN BETWEEN THREE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS.

UM, TYPICALLY THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO SEE, BUT WHEN YOU START THINKING OF A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS PUMPS, YOU START THINKING, OKAY, A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS

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PUMPS NEXT TO WILDER INTERMEDIATE SCHOOL WOULD NOT BE IDEAL IN THIS LOCATION BECAUSE IT'S WITHIN A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND ADJACENT TO A SCHOOL.

UM, BUT WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT'S PROPOSED TONIGHT IS NOT IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO A SCHOOL, BUT IT'S STILL OUTTA THE CORNER OF FM 1518, WHICH IS A PRINCIPAL ARTERIAL.

BUT RAY CORBETT IS A RESIDENTIAL COLLECTOR AND ALTHOUGH THE LOCATION IS NOT IDEAL, A PREFERRED LOCATION WOULD BE THE INTERSECTION OF 1518 AND LOWER SEN ROAD AS LOWER SEN ROAD IS A SECONDARY ARTERIAL.

SO THAT WOULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, UM, THE INTERSECTION OF TWO ARTERIAL ROADS.

AND WHEN IT COMES TO PREVIOUS SUP APPLICATIONS FOR A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS PUMPS, MAJOR OPPOSITION WAS DUE TO, UM, IT BEING IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL.

SO THINK, UM, WHEN WE HEARD THE ONE ALONG SHEZ PARKWAY, UM, THERE WERE A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT BEING IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO IT.

AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION EXPRESSED CONCERNS OVER THAT PROXIMITY TO RESIDENTIAL USES IN ZONING AND THE PROPOSED SEP UH, TONIGHT IS NOT IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL USES OR ZONING.

AND THE PROPOSED SEP TO ALLOW A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GAS PUMPS DOES NOT VIOLATE THE INTENT OF THE COMP PLAN.

IT IS COMPATIBLE WITH EXISTING USES AND THE EXISTING AND PROPOSED ZONING AND IT IS NOT IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS OR ZONING.

THUS STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF P-L-S-P-U 20 26 0 0 3 0.

THANK YOU DAISY.

UM, DOES THE APPLICANT WANNA ADD ANYTHING OR DO YOU JUST WANT US TO MOVE INTO PUBLIC COMMENT? YEAH.

OUR, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ARE GONNA UTILIZE THOSE SIDEWALKS.

WELL WE WILL DO THAT.

IT IS 6 41.

THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

UM, YOU'RE WELCOME TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM AGAIN.

WELL, IT'S A DIFFERENT ITEM, SO ANYONE GOING? YEAH, COME ON UP.

I JUST HAVE A QUESTION AND WHY IT'S NOT BEING PROPOSED AT THE LOWER SINE FM 1518, IF THOSE ARE A SECONDARY ARTERIAL, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE TERMS OF THE DIFFERENT ZONING OF THE STREETS, BUT WHY IT'S NOT MOVED TO THE OTHER LOCATION VERSUS THE 1518.

IT'D BE FURTHER FROM THE JUNIOR HIGH AND THEN IT'S NOT THE SAME TRAFFIC PROBLEMS, BUT THE MAJOR PROBLEM, IF YOU HAVE EVER DRIVEN THAT BETWEEN THE HOURS OF SEVEN AND NINE O'CLOCK, YOU ARE SITTING TRAFFIC.

IT IS, THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, CONSTRUCTION GOING ON RIGHT NOW WITH 1518 ME EXPANDED TO A FOUR LANE ROAD, BUT EVEN WITHOUT THAT, I'VE LIVED IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IN WILLOW GROVE FOR EIGHT YEARS.

IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN A PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE TRYING TO TURN LEFT INTO RAY CORBETT.

SO, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU LOOKED AT HOW MANY UH, ACCIDENTS HAVE HAPPENED WITH PEOPLE TURNING INTO ROSE GARDEN AND INTO RAY CORBETT AND LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC FLOW THERE IN THOSE PRIME TIMES DURING SCHOOL HOURS, IT WOULD BE SEEM LIKE IF IT WAS MOVED TO A DIFFERENT LOCATION, IF IT'S, IF THAT LAND IS ZONED UP APPROPRIATELY FOR THAT, THAT IF IT IS SITTING MORE TOWARDS LOWER SINE WHERE THERE IS FURTHER FROM THE JUNIOR HIGH, FURTHER, FURTHER FROM THE TRAFFIC FLOW, I BELIEVE FOR RAY CORBETT TO GET INTO THE CARPOOL LANE, THAT IS THE ONLY WAY THAT RESIDENTS CAN GET, OR PEOPLE ATTENDING THE SCHOOL CAN GET IN.

THEY, THEY HAVE TO TURN LEFT ON RAY CORBETT TO GET INTO THE SCHOOL TO FLOW THROUGH THEIR CAR LANE.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

ANYBODY ELSE? YEAH, COME ON UP AN OPPORTUNITY.

ROD FISHER AGAIN.

UH, UH, THANK YOU FOR TELLING ME ABOUT, UH, UH, TALKING DIRECTLY TO YOU FOLKS.

I WASN'T AWARE OF THAT, SO THANK YOU.

UH, THE QUESTION I WOULD HAVE, UH, WE TALK A LOT ABOUT TRAFFIC, UH, AND I'VE SEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT TRAFFIC, BUT I, I'M, I'M NOT SO FOCUSED ON THE TRAFFIC OF THE CARS WE'RE GONNA ADD THAT IS A LAYER OF, OF TRAFFIC THAT'S GONNA, UH, MAKE THINGS A LITTLE BUSIER THERE.

BUT I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE FUEL TANKERS MAKING DELIVERIES.

SO I THINK IT'LL BE IMPORTANT FOR US TO EVALUATE THE, THE ENTRY EXIT PLANS FOR THE FUEL TANKERS BECAUSE MIXING FUEL TANKERS IN WITH SCHOOL BUSES DELIVERING CHILDREN TO SCHOOL EVERY DAY AT THAT EXACT CORNER, UH, IS IS COULD BE TROUBLESOME.

AND I CAN TELL YOU FIRSTHAND THERE ARE A LOT OF FUEL TANKER INCIDENTS, UH, THAT HAPPEN.

AND SO WE NEED TO BE VERY CAUTIOUS ABOUT THAT.

SO I'D BE REALLY INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT THAT, THAT, UH, TRAVEL PLAN WOULD BE FOR THE FUEL TANKERS, MAKING FUEL DELIVERIES TO THE GAS STATION.

ANYBODY ELSE? YEAH, COME ON UP.

UH, GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.

MY NAME IS CARICE JONES AND I LIVE AT 1 0 3 1 7 COLONEL RIDGE IN THE WILLOW GROVE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO ALONG WITH THE COMMONS FROM HOLLY AND MY, MY NEIGHBOR HERE, I BELIEVE WHEN WE AGREED TO THE EXPANSION OF 1518, THAT INCLUDES SIDEWALKS.

SO I DON'T THINK IT'S MENTIONED HERE, HOW THAT'S GOING TO INCREASE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC AND HOW

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ONCE THAT CONSTRUCTION IS COMPLETE.

YOU BRING THAT, THAT SPECIFIC USE ENTITY IN THERE, THAT GAS STATION IN THERE.

NOW WE TAKE ON A NEW SAFETY CONCERN, WHICH IS PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC.

CURRENTLY WE ONLY TALKING ABOUT CAR ACCIDENTS, BUT THAT SIDEWALK IS GOING TO INCREASE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T WANNA WALK ALONG THE SIDE.

SO I REALLY ASK THAT YOU TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT THE INCREASE IN PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC WITH THE EXPANSION OF 1518 AND ADDING THOSE SIDEWALKS AND HOW THIS, UH, HOW THIS BUSINESS CAN IMPACT THAT.

ANYONE? UH, YEAH, COME ON UP AND THEN WE WILL, WE? YES.

MY NAME IS JEFF RICHARDSON.

I'M AT 1 0 4 6 0 SHADOWY DUSK IN WILLOW GROVE.

AND ONE THING THAT I'VE KIND OF HEARD REPEATEDLY BY THE PLANNING FOLKS IS WE'RE GONNA DO THE, THE RESEARCH AFTER THE FACT IN TERMS OF DOING THE, THE STUDY ON TRAFFIC FLOW OR WHAT IT MAY LOOK LIKE.

WILL THERE BE TRAFFIC LIGHTS THERE? WHAT IS THE FLOW? WHAT IS THE PLAN? AND IT JUST KIND OF SEEMS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A, A LITTLE BACKWARDS TO TALK ABOUT LET'S GO AHEAD AND COMMIT AND THEN WE'RE GONNA TAKE A LOOK AND SEE WHAT THE DAMAGE MAY BE AND TRY AND MITIGATE, YOU KNOW, THE USE OF THE TERM WE'RE GONNA MITIGATE AFTER THE FACT.

AND JUST HISTORICALLY, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE ALWAYS GET BURNED.

WE AFTER THE FACT.

'CAUSE ONCE YOU COMMIT IT'S KIND OF HARD TO GO BACK.

SO THE ONLY THING THAT I ASK THAT YOU DO IS LET'S KIND OF DO OUR HOMEWORK A LITTLE BIT AND LET'S DEMAND MORE OF A, EITHER IT'S A TRAFFIC STUDY, WILL THERE BE LIGHTS THERE? I THINK I PROBABLY SPEAK ON BEHALF OF MOST OF THE CITIZENS.

WHAT WILL IT LOOK LIKE? CAN YOU GIVE US SOME SCHEMATICS? CAN YOU GIVE US SOME IDEAS OF WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE ONCE WE PUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN? AND I THINK THAT WILL PROBABLY HELP KIND OF DIGEST THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE AND FEEL THAT YOU ALL IN THE BUSY, YOU KNOW, AND IMPORTANT JOB THAT YOU HAVE ARE REALLY LOOKING AT THE COMMUNITY'S BEST INTERESTS VERSUS JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, BASED ON, YEAH WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT FOR SURE BUT WE'RE GONNA MITIGATE THIS.

WE'LL LOOK AT IT AFTER THE FACT THAT JUST, THAT'S KIND OF POOR PLANNING.

NO DISRESPECT, BUT I JUST THINK WE, WE GOTTA SOMETIMES DO THE HOMEWORK FIRST BEFORE WE COMMIT.

AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

ANYBODY ELSE? COME ON UP.

JEFF.

WIGGLE EARTH.

I LIVE 1 1 5 1 0 HANSEN'S FOREST IN UM, WILLOW GROVE.

UM, I'M KIND OF JUST REITERATE WHAT WAS JUST SAID, THE CONCERN OF THAT, UM, CORBIT, UM, POSSIBLY MAKING A TURN LANE IF, IF THE PEOPLE THAT HAD OWNED THE ADJACENT LAND, YOU KNOW, CAN AGREE TO THAT.

AND I KNOW THAT'S BEEN DENIED ON OUR SIDE BEFORE.

UM, SO THAT AGAIN, LIKE HE SAID IS KINDA UM, AFTER THE FACT PLANNING THAT YOU KNOW, IS SOMETHING THERE GONNA HAPPEN.

UM, BIG SEMI-TRUCK COMING IN WITH FUEL TANKERS AS THE SIDEWALKS AS WAS MENTIONED, GO IN.

I THINK WE'RE GONNA SEE AN INCREASE IN BICYCLES.

I KNOW WHEN I WAS IN MIDDLE SCHOOL RIDING ON MY BICYCLE TO SCHOOL, I'D HIT A CONVENIENCE STORE CLERK'S NOT LOOKING, UH, MAYBE GRABBING CIGARETTES, ALCOHOL, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER.

SO, YOU KNOW, JUST THAT SAFETY CONCERN KIDS OR KIDS.

UM, AND THEN AGAIN THEY'RE RIDING THEIR BICYCLES AROUND THAT PARKING LOT, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE THEY'RE EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO GO INTO A GROCERY STORE MIGHT HAVE SOME CHANGE IN THEIR POCKET.

UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

ANYBODY ELSE? GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE? WELL IT IS 6 48.

WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION.

UM, I WILL START OFF DAISY, CAN YOU ELABORATE A LITTLE THE QUESTION OR THE COMMENT WAS MADE ABOUT WHY AFTER THE FACT? AND I KNOW WE'VE HEARD IT A COUPLE TIMES, BUT YES.

CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY WE DON'T REQUIRE THIS NOW? SO, UM, THE TIA SUMMARY IS ACTUALLY A NEW THING TO BE RE REQUIRED DURING THE ZONE CHANGE ENGINE SUP PROCESS.

THIS IS REQUESTED BY CITY COUNCIL QUITE RECENTLY.

UM, TYPICALLY WHEN IT COMES THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, WHEN IT COMES FOR PLATTING, THEY'LL UH, PROVIDE A TIA DETERMINATION FORM AND OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT REVIEWS IT.

IF THEY JUST WANNA PLAT, THEN A FULL STUDY'S NOT DONE WHEN IT COMES TO THE SITE PLAN AND THEY KNOW OKAY WHAT TYPE OF TENANTS THEY'RE GONNA HAVE, WHAT THE BUILDING'S GONNA LOOK LIKE IN RELATION TO THE SITE, THEN THAT'S WHEN THEY SUBMIT A FULL TIA SUMMARY.

THEY LOOK AT ACCESS POINTS, THEY LOOK AT WHAT'S GONNA BE REQUIRED.

UM, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THE REQUEST TO DO A FULL TIA BEFORE A ZONE CHANGE.

AND THEN I DO ALSO WANNA NOTE THAT ESSENTIALLY IN THE PAST SITE PLANS THAT WERE APPROVED WERE ESSENTIALLY REQUIRED WITH THE SUP AND ZONE CHANGE AS WE'VE HEARD BEFORE.

BUT THAT WAS DONE AWAY WITH BECAUSE IT IS A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT TO PUT INTO SOMETHING THAT COULD GET DENIED.

UM, A A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS.

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SO, HEY BRIAN, UM, THE, THE, THE TRAFFIC ASPECT, I KNOW WHEN WE TALKED TO THE POLICE DID THEY INCLUDE THAT THE ACCIDENT ISSUE OR WAS IT JUST THE IT WAS JUST FOR CALLS FOR SERVICE.

UM, THAT'S ALL THE EVALUATED.

UM, AND THEN DO WE ALLOW, SO IF THEY HAD, I MEAN THEY COULDN'T, COULD THEY USE RAY CORBITT AS A PRIMARY ACCESS OR WOULD THEY WE DON'T, WE DON'T KNOW YET.

WE DON'T KNOW IF TXO WILL ALLOW THEM ACCESS ALONG 1518 YET.

SO I MEAN THIS IS A HYPOTHETICAL NOW.

IF TDOT SAYS NO YOU CAN'T ACCESS OFF 1518, YOUR ONLY ACCESS WOULD BE OFF RAY CORBITT THERE, THAT COULD BE A POSSIBILITY.

YES.

WHAT HAPPENS AT RAY CORBETT, THE FEELING IS THERE'S A WAY TO MITIGATE IT AND THAT'S THE BASIS OF OUR RECOMMENDATION.

SO I WILL SAY MAYBE TO CLARIFY SOME OF THE ANSWER DAISY ON THE, THE TAA, RIGHT? SO PART OF WHAT STAFF DOES, ENGINEERING STAFF WHO REVIEWS THE IASS ALL THE TIME IS THEY LOOK AT THE APPLICATION.

ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THEY ASK IS WHAT ARE THE POSSIBLE OUTCOMES OF THE TEAM TO PULL UP THE BIG AREA WITH? UM SURE.

I'M SORRY.

THANKS HOLLY.

SO A TIA IS A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.

SO CHIME IN WHEN I'M NOT CLEARING USE TOO MANY ACRONYMS. SO IT BASICALLY IS WHERE, TO YOUR POINT, I THINK, UM, YOUR POINT WHAT WE LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC AND LOOK ON THE FRONT END.

AND SO WHAT OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT DOES IS THEY SORT OF LOOK AT THE APPLICATION AS IT COMES IN.

THEY HAVE, THEY KIND OF TAKE STOCK OF IT AND THEY SAY, WHAT ARE WE LIKELY TO LEARN FROM A TIA? RIGHT? AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOOK AT IS THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT THEY CAN ESTIMATE.

GO INTO A STANDARD BOOK THAT EVERYBODY USES THAT SAYS IF YOU HAVE A GAS STATION CONVENIENCE STORE, HOW MANY TRIPS DO YOU EXPECT FROM THAT? IF YOU HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOUSE, HOW MANY TRIPS DO YOU EXPECT? AND THEY KINDA RUN THOSE NUMBERS AND LOOK AT 'EM AND SAY, WHAT IS IT WE THINK WE'RE GETTING ON THIS? AND PART OF WHAT THEY DO IS THEY LOOK AT THAT ROAD NETWORK AND TRY TO TAKE AN INITIAL ESTIMATE OF HOW MUCH DOES THIS CHANGE THE TRAFFIC WE HAVE FOR THE FOLKS WHO LIVE OUT THERE AND ARE DEALING WITH THE MESS ON 1518 THAT YOU HAVE BEEN.

RIGHT? THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON 1518, WHICH IS WHY THE ROAD NEEDS TO BE EXPANDED.

UM, SO IT'S A NOMINAL AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT THIS WILL ADD TO 1518.

AND EVEN IF YOU LOOK COMMISSIONER, AS YOU STATED, THAT WHOLE CORNER IN THE COMP PLAN FROM LOWER SINE UP TO RAY CORBETT IS DESIGNATED FOR COMMERCIAL THE WHOLE CORNER AT THE OTHER SIDE FOR THE, THE CROSS MINE THAT'S DESIGNATED FOR COMMERCIAL.

SO AGAIN, IF YOU THINK ABOUT THIS AREA OF SOUTHERN CERTS THAT SEEMS REALLY RURAL, BUT THEN THINK WHAT YOU'VE GOT UP AT 3 0 0 9 IN BORG FELDER ELBOW, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA SEE AS THINGS DEVELOP.

AND WE'VE SEEN THAT WITH THE RESIDENTS LUMBER, RIGHT? OW GROVE KIND OF CAME IN RIGHT AFTER THE FIRST PHASE OF CROSS V AND THEN WE HAD RHINE VALLEY COME IN AND AND AND MERITAGE AND AND SO ON AND SO ON.

AND SO WHAT, WHEN ENGINEERING LOOKED AT THAT WITH THIS ONE, THE REAL QUESTION THEY HAD WAS REALLY JUST ABOUT WHAT DOES IT DO WITH THE STACKING AT RAY CORBETT? THAT'S WHAT THEIR INITIAL LOOK AT.

AND TO BE BLUNT, WHAT THEY REALLY WANTED TO KNOW, AND THIS I THINK GOES TO YOUR POINT IS, IS THERE A WAY FOR THEM TO MITIGATE THE IMPACT TO THAT? AND THE ANSWER WAS YEAH, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE IS A WAY FOR THEM TO MITIGATE WITH THE CELL LANE SO IT CAN BE DONE.

WHERE YOU WOULD GET A DIFFERENT ANSWER AND THIS WOULD AFFECT STAFF IS IF WE LOOKED AT THIS AND SAID, WOW, WE REALLY HADN'T ANTICIPATED THIS TYPE OF USE WITH THIS MUCH TRAFFIC THERE AND THERE'S NOT A WAY TO FIX THE ROAD NETWORK TO ACCOMMODATE IT.

AND SO FOREVER EVERYBODY'S GONNA BE GOING, THIS THING IS A MESS AND THERE'S NO WAY TO FIX IT THAT WOULD CAUSE STAFF TO HAVE A NEGATIVE RECOMMENDATION.

AND SO WE DID LOOK AT IT AND THE ANSWER IS, YEAH, THERE'S A WAY FOR THEM TO FIX IT.

BUT WHY WE DON'T GET SO FAR INTO THE WEEDS ON THIS ONE IS IF THIS WERE TO BE APPROVED, WE DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GONNA BUILD IT SIX MONTHS FROM NOW, A YEAR FROM NOW, TWO YEARS FROM NOW, THREE YEARS FROM NOW.

AND SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF RAY CORBITT GETS EXTENDED THE RIGHT OF WAY HAS BEEN DEDICATED AND YOU CAN GET A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION DOWN HERE THAT WILL CHANGE THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC AND THAT WILL CAUSE THE SITUATION TO CHANGE.

WHICH IS WHY WE DON'T DO IT SO EARLY BECAUSE WE WANNA LOOK AT IT AT THE TIME THEY COME IN TO PULL A PERMIT AND SAY WHAT IS THE SITUATION NOW? WHAT DO WE NEED TO FIX? RIGHT? AND I CAN APPRECIATE THE CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC BEING A MESS NOW 'CAUSE WE'VE BEEN HEARING IT.

IT'LL BE VERY DIFFERENT WHEN 1518 IS DONE IN SOME WAYS REALLY GOOD.

BUT THEN IN SOME WAYS YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING, GOD, THOSE CARS ARE GOING SO FAST, RIGHT? WE'LL WE'LL GET THE BAD WITH IT AS WELL.

AND SO THAT'S WHY WE LOOK AT THAT FULL TIA WHEN THEY COME AND DEVELOP.

BUT WE DID DO A LOOK NOW AND THE CONCERN WAS

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JUST TO CHIME IN SINCE I TEND TO BE THE ONE THAT GOES BACK AND FORTH WITH ENGINEERING, THANK YOU FOR HUMORING ME ON THAT.

YEAH, NO, THANK YOU.

AND JUST IF YOU COULD ADD, SO CAN WE, AS THE HYPOTHETICAL REQUIREMENTS FOR, SO OH YOU NEED TO ADD A DECAL LINE, CAN WE REQUIRE THAT OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO BUILD A DECAL LINE BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING I CAN HOLD YOU TO.

SO WE REALLY HAVE TO HAVE A BASIS FOR IT.

AND SO WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THE, THE SAME THING, RIGHT? WHAT WHAT WE WOULD, TRYING TO GIVE YOU A DEFINITE ANSWER.

THEORETICALLY YOU COULD IMPOSE A CONDITION THAT THEY HAVE TO BUILD THE DE CELL LANE ON RAY, RAY CORBETT.

MM-HMM.

YES.

MM-HMM.

WHAT WE WOULD TYPICALLY SAY IS THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD COME IN WITH THE TIA AT SITE DEVELOPMENT AND WOULD TRIGGER THAT REQUIREMENT IF IT WERE NOT TRIGGERED ALREADY.

SO YOU COULD PUT IT ON THERE, BUT WE HAVE A MECHANISM TO DEAL WITH THAT.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT I JUST WANTED TO, TO ENSURE IS IT'S NOT NECESSARILY SOMETHING THAT I THINK WOULD BE FUNCTIONAL AS A CONDITION, BUT JUST IN TERMS OF SITE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE CAN SAY YOU NEED TO PUT THIS DESAL AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN RE MANDATE.

SO YEAH.

AND, AND HERE WOULD BE THE THING THAT I WOULD SAY WITH THAT, RIGHT? AND THIS IS WHERE, AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW, IT GETS A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED.

SO IF THE DEVELOPER SAYS, OKAY, FAIR ENOUGH, SURE, THAT MAKES SENSE.

WE WANT TRAFFIC TO FLOW WELL AS WELL, IT HELPS OUR BUSINESS TOO.

BUT THEY COME BACK AND GO, I CAN'T GET THE RIGHT OF WAY FROM THE GAL ON THE OTHER SIDE, THEN THAT WOULD MEAN THE CITY WOULD NEED TO AGREE TO STEP IN AND COUNSEL WOULD CON WOULD, UH, THEORETICALLY NEED TO AUTHORIZE IMMINENT DOMAIN TO ACQUIRE THE PROPERTY, RIGHT? AND SO THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY THING WITH IMPOSING THAT CONDITION IS IT'S NOT ENTIRELY WITHIN THEIR POWER.

BUT AGAIN, TYPICALLY WHAT STAFF RECOMMENDS IS TO TRY TO FIX THESE THINGS WHEN THINGS COME IN IF WE NEED TO USE IMMINENT VEIN.

FUNNY ENOUGH, IF YOU WERE AT THE COUNCIL MEETING LA OR IF YOU'RE AT THE COUNCIL MEETING NEXT WEEK, YOU'RE GONNA HEAR A THING ABOUT SIDEWALKS ON HUBERTUS AND WE'RE GONNA KIND OF MAKE A NOTE IF YOU WANT THESE SIDEWALKS DONE.

GREAT.

WE CAN DO IT, BUT WE MAY NEED TO USE IMMINENT DOMAIN TO GET AN EASEMENT, UH, OR TO GET RIGHT AWAY TO BE ABLE TO BUILD THOSE SIDEWALKS.

THANK YOU BRIAN.

MM-HMM .

UM, WELL REAL QUICK BEFORE I, I TURN IT OVER, I, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID PREVIOUSLY, IT, IT IS IN THE COMP PLAN FOR GENERAL BUSINESS.

UM, I DO AGREE WITH A LOT OF FOLKS THAT, AND MY COMMENTS ON THE PREVIOUS CASE THAT I DON'T THINK THE GAS STATION IS APPROPRIATE.

SO THAT'S WHERE I STAND ON IT.

BUT I KNOW MR. OUTLAW HAS SOMETHING, SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO HIM.

WELL, THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.

ACTUALLY, I HAVE SEVERAL THINGS, BUT UH, I'M WONDERING IF WE COULD START OUT BY, UH, IN, IN ON THE PREVIOUS TOPIC, UH, THE GENTLEMAN BACK THERE HAD SOME QUESTIONS TO THE APPLICANT ABOUT VAPOR RECOVERY, THE NUMBER OF TANKS, UM, AND I'M SORRY I DIDN'T WRITE 'EM ALL DOWN.

UH, BUT I'M WONDERING, BUT I'M WONDERING IF WE COULDN'T GET COMMISSION CONCERN.

YEAH, I'M WONDERING IF WE COULDN'T GET THE APPLICANT TO ADDRESS THAT.

YEAH, I GOT IT.

UM, YEAH, NUMBER OF TANK IS JUST ONE.

AS FAR AS SIZE, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT ONE, BUT IT'LL PROBABLY ABOUT 12,000 TO 16,000 GALLONS.

UH, YOU SAID FUEL GRADES.

FUEL GRADES ARE JUST GONNA BE THE STANDARD, UH, PREMIUM SUPER, UH, AND DIESEL AS WELL ON ALL PUMPS.

UH, BUT ALL OF THOSE ARE GONNA BE WITHIN ONE TANK, JUST SPLIT COMPARTMENT.

UH, YOU SAID YOU WERE CONFUSED ABOUT THE VENTING PIPES.

WHAT I MEANT BY THAT WAS, UH, GOING BACK TO THE VAPORS, IF YOU SEE A LOT OF THE OLD STORES, SOME OF THE NEW STORES DO IT, YOU'LL SEE OUT IN THE PARKING LOT, YOU'LL SEE LIKE THESE RANDOM SIX PIPES JUST STICKING OUT.

SO WHAT WE HAVE DONE AT EVERY SINGLE SITE IS WE ACTUALLY RUN THE VAPORS FROM THE TANK.

THEY WILL RUN, THE VENT LINES WILL GO IN THE COLUMN AND IT'LL SHOOT FROM THE TOP OF THE CANOPY.

SO THAT'S WHAT I MEANT BY THAT.

UH, THE TYPE ONE AND TWO NOZZLE CONNECTIONS.

UH, I'M NOT SURE ON THAT ONE, BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE, I CAN SHARE YOU WHAT EXACT SPEC WE'RE PLANNING ON USING.

UH, SO I DON'T MIND SHARING THAT.

AND AS FAR AS FUEL TANKER, I THINK THERE WAS ANOTHER COMMENT FROM YOU.

UH, HOW WOULD THAT WORK? UH, SO 1518, UH, I KNOW OUR SITE, OUR SITE, WHAT WE'VE LEARNED FROM TECH.IS BECAUSE OF THE FRONT PAGE, WE MAY NOT GET ACCESS DIRECTLY, BUT WITH THE ADJACENT OWNER WHO ARE PURCHASING THE, THE PAR REMAINING PARCEL, THERE IS GONNA BE A, UH, ACCESS EASEMENT THAT WILL BE A JOINT USE.

SO 1518 WILL BE OUR PRIMARY.

THERE'S NO WAY WE'RE GONNA USE RAY CORBET AS A PRIMARY, UH, DRIVE.

UH, SO THE FUEL TINKER QUESTION IS USUALLY IN OUR SIDE ANALYSIS.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S WOOD CITY, BUT USUALLY IN PAST WE'VE RUN A TURN LANE ANALYSIS THAT KIND OF GOES INTO THE SITE AND SEE HOW THEY'RE ABLE TO TURN AND THE SITE GETS ADJUSTED AS NEEDED TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.

UM, I BELIEVE THAT WAS IT.

[01:00:01]

RIGHT? THANK YOU.

UM, BUT YEAH, UH, SOMEWHERE DOWN MY LIST HERE, I SAID I WISH WE HAD A CRYSTAL BALL.

I REALLY DO BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, 1518 IS BASICALLY A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR.

AND UM, I HAD THE SAME QUESTION.

WHY RAY CORBETT AND NOT LOWER SEINEN? WELL, IF YOU LOOK AT, AT, LOOK AT WHAT'S UP THERE, UM, THAT CORNER IS NOT PART OF THIS PARCEL.

UH, IN FACT, I THINK THERE'S STILL A HOUSE THERE.

UM, IT CERTAINLY I THINK WOULD BE BETTER DOWN THERE.

UM, AND THEN, UH, THANK YOU FOR, BUT AGAIN, UH, SHIRTS IN, IN, ITS IN ITS DEVELOPMENT.

WE REQUIRE CROSS LOT.

ASK US IF, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE WAY YOU CAN DRIVE FROM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU'RE AT, UH, MCDONALD'S, YOU CAN DRIVE TO VALERO FROM VALERO, YOU CAN DRIVE TO HE.

UM, AND, AND SO, UH, I'M SURE AS THE FRONTAGE DEVELOPS AND AS THE APPLICANT SAID, THE UH, APPARENTLY THERE'S AN, THERE'S AN ONGOING THING RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO YOU ALREADY, AND THAT, UM, THAT WILL GIVE THEM A, A SHARED ACCESS TO, UH, 1518.

AND THEN YOU CAN GET CREATIVE IF, IF ANYBODY GOES, TAKES 78 EASTBOUND.

AND WHEN YOU GET TO 1103, RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNER OF 1103 AND 78 IS A QT AND I'M SURE TEX DOT DENIED ACCESS TO 1518.

IT WAS TOO CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION.

WELL, IF YOU'LL NOTICE THEY RAN A DRIVE PARALLEL TO 15, UH, TO 78 FOR SUFFICIENT DISTANCE.

AND THEN THERE'S A DRIVEWAY THAT COMES OUT.

SO, UM, IT'S, UM, THERE ARE WAYS TO DO THAT.

UM, I WAS GONNA ASK ABOUT THE TIMELINE.

DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT, UH, IN TERMS OF WHEN YOU MIGHT, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT STARTING THIS, OUR GENERAL DISCUSSION, IT SEEMS LIKE, UM, WE'RE HAVING TO DO, UH, AT THE VERY PRIMARY.

SO LIKE WE'LL HAVE TO PLA IT, UH, WE'LL HAVE TO DO A FINAL PLAT SIDE PLAN, BUILDING PERMIT.

SO WE'RE PLANNING ON RUNNING APPLICATIONS THAT ARE CONCURRENTLY, WHICHEVER WE CAN.

UH, BUT OUR GOAL WOULD BE AS TERM PERMITS ARE IN HAND, WE'D LIKE TO START RIGHT AFTER THAT.

IT'S NOT A THING WHERE WE WANNA WAIT FOR FOUR YEARS AND COME BACK LATER.

THAT'S NOT OUR INTENT.

OUR INTENT IS, UH, GO IN AND GO AND DEVELOP AND YEAH.

AND WHAT DO YOU THINK A, A YEAR, 18 MONTHS? I THINK, I THINK THE PERMITS WILL BE LONGER THAN A YEAR.

I MEAN, WE WOULD PREFER IF THE PERMITS TAKE A YEAR, BUT I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT 15 WHERE WE'VE ALLOCATED 15 MONTHS FOR PERMITTING.

UH, THAT WOULD GET US THROUGH WITH, 'CAUSE TX DOT'S ALSO A HUGE COMPONENT IN THIS ONE, SO.

WELL, IF CITY COUNCIL APPROVES THE SUP, IT, IT RUNS, BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS A CAVEAT ON THERE.

IT'S 24 MONTHS, IT'S TWO YEARS.

SO, UM, I I I JUST KEEP HOPING THAT MAYBE THEY'LL FINISH 1518 BEFORE .

OH YEAH, I HOPE SO.

BUT BEFORE THIS WOULD START, UM, AND THEN I WANTED TO ASK YOU, BECAUSE THE CONCERN ABOUT FUEL DELIVERY, DO YOU, UH, DO YOU HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY IN, IN WHEN THOSE, THOSE TANKERS SHOW UP? YEAH, USUALLY, UH, MOST OF THE TIME IT'S ACTUALLY AT THE EVENING TIME.

YOU'RE NEVER GONNA SEE A TANKER SHOW UP AT LUNCH HOUR OR LIKE FIVE OR SIX.

ONE IS, IT'S NOT FOR GOOD FOR US AS WE HAVE CUSTOMERS.

SO USUALLY IT'S AROUND LIKE I WANNA SAY RIGHT AFTER RUSH HOUR AT EIGHT OR NINE MM-HMM .

AND IT'S EASIER FOR THEM TO COME IN AND IN AND OUT.

SO.

UM, AND UNFORTUNATELY, SEE HERE COMES BRIAN, BECAUSE, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT? YOU DO.

AND YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.

UM, I'M NOT, I'M NOT A TRAFFIC ENGINEER, BUT YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT IT LOGICALLY, UM, PROBABLY A LOT OF THE CUSTOMERS THAT GO IN AND OUT OF THAT ARE GONNA BE THE PARENTS DROPPING OFF AND PICKING UP JUST BECAUSE IT'S CONVENIENT.

AND IT DOES LOOK UN UNFORTUNATELY, MAYBE NOT ENOUGH FORESIGHT.

BUT LOOKING AT THE PHOTOGRAPH HERE, THE SATELLITE, IT DOES APPEAR THAT THAT FIRST STRETCH OF RAY CORBETT IS WIDER THAN THE PART AS IF SO, UH, BECAUSE YEAH, TYPICALLY, UM, WE DON'T, WE WOULDN'T WANNA PUT IT ON A, UH, AND, AND THAT WAS PART OF THE REASON THIS ONE OVER HERE, UM, AND IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, OUR CODE ACTUALLY, UM, IF YOU HAVE ACCESS TO A PRINCIPLE OR TO AN ARTERIAL OR WHATEVER, YOU, YOU, YOU CAN'T NO.

IF ANYWAY, THERE, THERE'S A CERTAIN SITUATION WHERE IF YOU HAVE ACCESS TO A ROAD LIKE ROY CORBETT, YOU CAN'T PUT A DRIVEWAY ON.

[01:05:01]

RIGHT.

SO WE, AND SEE, YOU KNOW, I'M STILL UPSET ABOUT QT NO, I KNOW YOU ARE.

BECAUSE, UH, AGAIN, T TDO MAY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, BUT THAT VIOLATES OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE.

SO I, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA SEE HERE, RIGHT, UNLESS TXDOT HAS AN ISSUE, IS TDOT'S PROBABLY GONNA SAY, YEAH, THEY GET A DRIVER APPROACH HERE, BUT IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE AS FAR SOUTH AS THEY CAN MAKE IT TO STAY AWAY FROM THE INTERSECTION.

MM-HMM .

UM, BUT TO BE BLUNT, , YOU'RE GONNA HAVE CARS COMING DOWN THIS WAY AND LIKELY THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA TURN AT RAY CORBIT AND THEN PULL AND TURN IN.

AND THEN AS YOU SEE THIS WHOLE AREA DEVELOP, AS YOU SAID, YOU'RE GONNA GET CROSS ACCESS, YOU'RE GONNA, SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE DRIVER PROS HERE.

SO SOMEBODY SAYS, I DON'T WANNA MESS WITH THAT.

I'LL JUST COME DOWN HERE, TURN IN HERE, CUT IN FRONT OF, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE, THE RESTAURANT IS THE OFFICE BUILDING KIND, KIND OF LIKE WE DO DOWN HERE ON THE, ON THE CORNER.

THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.

UM, I HAD A QUESTION AND NOW I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION.

AND, AND, AND IT HAD TO DO WITH, WITH ACCESS.

ANYWAY, UH, THAT'S ALL I HAD, MR. CHAIRMAN, I DID HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION.

BRIAN, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO.

SO ALCOHOL SALES, UH, AND DISTANCE UHHUH, TABC IS 300 FEET.

IS THAT DOOR TO DOOR FROM THE PROPERTY LINE? SO, SO WHILE YOU, SOMEBODY ASKED ME THAT THE OTHER DAY, AND I'VE GOTTEN SO OLD THAT I CANNOT REMEMBER.

I THINK IT IS DOOR TO DOOR AS OPPOSED TO AS A CROW FLIES UHHUH.

'CAUSE WHEN I'VE HAD THIS BEFORE, BUT AGAIN, I WOULD REMIND YOU, WE'VE GOT CLEMONS CORRECT AND WE'VE GOT RIGHT CATTY CORNER, WE'VE GOT THAT CONVENIENCE STORE, UH, THAT SELLS ALCOHOL.

THE ANSWER IS, IT IS WHAT IT IS REGULATED BY THE STATE.

CORRECT.

EYEBALLING IT.

I I BELIEVE IT'S A, IT'S A DOOR TO DOOR.

AND SO I, I THINK THEY'LL BE FINE.

BUT THAT'S THE APPLICANT'S DEAL TO DEAL WITH.

YEAH, CORRECT.

THAT'S, YEAH, I JUST DIDN'T, I, I KNOW WE CAN REGULATE UP TO MORE.

I JUST, I THINK THAT'S THE FIRST TIME I THOUGHT ABOUT WE IT.

RIGHT.

THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'VE CHOSEN.

WELL, ANYBODY ELSE? I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

SO, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT, UH, ON AVERAGE, HOW MANY DELIVERIES ARE YOU GETTING PER DAY FOR SUPPLIES OR, OR GAS? WE, YEAH, SO WE'RE ACTUALLY NOT LIKE A BIG TRUCK, TRUCK STOP.

SO I WOULD SAY NOT EVEN DAILY.

WE'RE PROBABLY GETTING IT LIKE ONCE EVERY TWO OR THREE DAYS.

AND THE REASON IS OUR TANKS ARE ABLE TO SUSTAIN WHERE IT'S NOT WHERE, HEY, WE RAN OUT AND LET'S GET OUR DELIVERY.

IT'S TO KIND OF GET YOU THROUGH AT LEAST TWO, THREE DAYS.

SO YOU'D GET IT EVERY TWO OR THREE DAYS.

ONE.

AND THEN YOU'RE SAYING IT WOULD BE AFTER, AFTER 8:00 PM YEAH.

AND THEN, UH, WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER SUPPLIES? WHAT SUPPLIES? UH, LIKE YOUR OTHER INVENTORYING OH, GROCERY SUPPLIES.

MM-HMM .

SO USUALLY THOSE WILL COME IN LIKE, UH, JUST, I THINK IT JUST DEPENDS, BUT THOSE ARE NOT LIKE A BIG 18 WHEELER.

THE GROCERY SUPPLIES WE ARE USING, IT'S LIKE SMALLER TRUCKS, SO THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT VENDORS.

FOR EXAMPLE, CHIPS LIKE LAY'S WILL BE THEIR OWN VENDOR.

RED BULL WILL BE THEIR OWN VENDOR AND THEY'LL COME IN THEIR OWN TRUCK.

SO IT'S, WE ARE NOT, UH, BUYING IT FROM A WHOLESALER WHERE THEY'RE COMING IN WITH A LARGE 18 WHEELER AND JUST DUMP, GIVING EVERYTHING TO US FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE QUICKTRIP WILL HAVE THEIR OWN TRUCK DELIVER EVERY SINGLE PRODUCT WE'RE ACTUALLY BUYING FROM INDIVIDUAL VENDORS.

AND THOSE DELIVERIES WOULD HAPPEN AFTER 8:00 PM AS WELL? NO, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT ANSWER, BUT I THINK THOSE ARE JUST SPREAD OUT ON THEIR TIMING.

UH, AND IS THERE ANY POSSIBILITY OF MOVING IT, UH, AWAY FROM THAT CORNER? SO YEAH, SO THE SOUTH SOMEONE POINTED OUT, YEAH, THAT CORNER IS NOT AVAILABLE .

SO WE, WE WISH IT WAS, AS WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS SITE, THE WAY TO CARVE OFF THE CORNER AND THE ACCESS, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S EASY.

IT'S A CONVENIENCE STORE TO GET SOMEONE IN AND THEN GET SOMEONE OUT AS QUICKLY AND YOU'RE NOT CREATING A LOT OF, UH, UH, TRAFFIC.

BUT WHAT WE HAVE KNOWN AND ACTUALLY DIDN'T KNOW THAT SOMEONE IS COMING, I JUST HEARD SOMEONE MIGHT BE COMING NEXT TO US, BUT THE INTENT OF THIS IS I THINK WE WANNA WORK WITH, DEVELOP, WHOEVER COMES AFTER IS HAVE A STEP OUT WHERE IF THEY'RE USING OUR AXIS, IT GIVES A GOOD CROSS AXIS.

WE'RE NOT CREATING LIKE DISTURBANCES WITHIN THAT, THAT TRACK, SO IT DOESN'T CREATE UNNECESSARY TRAFFIC.

AND I THINK BRIAN POINTED OUT, MOST LIKELY, WE ALSO KIND OF KNOW THAT 1518 ALREADY HAS A LONG TURN LANE.

THERE'S A VERY HIGH POWER PROBABILITY THAT TXDOT WILL MOST LIKELY ALLOW US A DRIVEWAY PROBABLY ALMOST 500 FEET AWAY OR 600 FEET AWAY FROM THAT INTERSECTION.

AND WE'RE TALKING THAT'S THE GRAY SQUARE, CORRECT? THAT'S THE 2.1 ACRES, YEAH.

WHERE THE STAR IS.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE, JUST WHERE THE STAR IS.

[01:10:01]

OH, SO IT'S OKAY.

IT'S NOT THE WHOLE GRAY THING.

IT'S ONLY TWO ACRES OUT OF THE 30 SOMETHING ACRE TRACT.

OH, OKAY.

SO HERE IN BLUE IS APPROXIMATELY TO 2.1 ACRES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

THE GREEN OUTLINE IS THE LARGER ACRE THAT IT'S A PART OF, OR THE LARGER TRACK THAT IT'S A PART OF.

SO THEY'RE ONLY TAKING A LITTLE CHUNK OF THIS.

ANYBODY ELSE? WELL, IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF P-L-S-P-U 20 26 0 0 3 0.

YOU WANT ME TO PUT THE CONDITION ON THERE OF A, UH, WITH THE CONDITION THAT A BUILDING PERMIT IS ISSUED WITHIN TWO YEARS? IS THAT THE WAY IT, THAT'S THE WAY IT WORKS.

I'LL SECOND THAT.

HAS THE MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE BUILDING PERMIT MUST BE APPROVED WITHIN TWO YEARS FOR P-L-S-P-U 2 0 2 6 0 0 3 BY COMMISSIONER MC OUTLAW, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MCMASTER.

IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS, PLEASE VOTE.

CAN WE PUBLISH THAT PLEASE? THAT MOTION FAILS.

SO WITH THAT WE CAN, UM, WE'LL ENTERTAIN A NEW MOTION OR WE CAN HAVE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER OR TO CONTINUE THE ITEM.

ANYBODY ELSE? WELL, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD THESE SITUATIONS IN THE PAST AND YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKELY THAT IF SOMEONE INTRODUCES A MOTION TO DENY OR RECOMMEND DENIAL THAT YOU'RE GONNA GET FIVE TO TWO.

UH, BUT THAT ONE, UM, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO GO THAT ROUTE, AT LEAST THEN THAT GOES TO COUNCIL WITH A MAJORITY RATHER THAN, UM, IN OTHER WORDS, IF IT WERE TO COME OUT, IF, IF, IF SOMEONE WERE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE SUV AND NOBODY CHANGED THEIR VOTE, THAT WOULD COME OUT FIVE YES.

AND TWO, NO.

SO AND SO THEN, THEN IT WOULD GO, THEN IT WOULD GO TO COUNCIL THAT WAY.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS THAT'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? YEAH, I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION TO DENY THERE A SECOND.

I'LL SECOND.

THERE IS A MOTION TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF P-L-S-P-U 2 0 2 6, UH, 0 0 3 0 BY COMMISSIONER HUGHES.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LA LAREDO REYES.

UM, IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS, PLEASE VOTE.

CAN WE PUBLISH THAT PLEASE? THAT MOTION CARRIES.

PLZC 2 0 2 6 0 1 0 1, HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON A ZONE CHANGE REQUEST ON APPROXIMATELY 0.2 ACRES OF LAND FROM GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT TO MAIN STREET MIXED USE, UH, KNOWN AS 5 0 2 MAIN STREET, SPECIFICALLY KNOWN AS GUADALUPE PROPERTY COUNTY GUADALUPE.

SO THIS ITEM WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL TO CITY COUNCIL TENTATIVELY JUNE 2ND, ALONG WITH THE OTHER CASE.

AND WE WILL MOVE ON.

UH,

[C. PLZC20260101 - Hold a public hearing and make a recommendation on a zone change request on approximately 0.2 acres of land from General Business District (GB) to Main Street Mixed Use District (MSMU), known as 502 Main Street, specifically known as Guadalupe Property Identification Number 67753, City of Schertz, Texas.]

PROPERTY IDENTIFICATION NUMBER 6 7 7 5 3 CITY STATES, TEXAS DA.

GOOD EVENING.

ONCE AGAIN.

PLZC 20 26 0 1 0 1.

A PROPOSED 0.2 ACRE ZONE CHANGE TO MSMU, DAISY MARQUEZ SENIOR PLANNER.

SO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WE'RE DISCUSSING TONIGHT IS OUTLINED IN YELLOW HERE.

IT IS LOCATED ALONG MAIN STREET, AND THE NEAREST INTER INTERSECTION IS WITH LINDBERGH.

UM, IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AND IT IS CURRENTLY A RESTAURANT ALSO KNOWN AS MELANIE'S CAFE.

AND I DO WANNA NOTE THAT THE USE IS NOT BEING PROPOSED TO CHANGE.

UM, TO THE SOUTH, WE DO HAVE THE RAILROAD OWNED BY UNION PACIFIC, AND THEN TO THE EAST AND TO THE WEST, WE DO HAVE OTHER GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT ZONING.

SO TONIGHT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING MAIN STREET MIXED USE.

AGAIN, THE INTENT OF THE MAIN STREET MIXED USE ZONING DISTRICT IS TO PROVIDE FOR FLEXIBILITY FOR A LOT OF THESE OLDER LOTS WITHIN THE OLDER AREA OF SHIRTS WHERE IT WAS PLATTED AS SMALLER OR MAYBE, UH, THE BUILDINGS WERE THERE BEFORE SHIRTS EVEN WAS INCORPORATED INTO A CITY.

WE DID SEND OUT 17 PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES ON APRIL 23RD.

WE DID RECEIVE ONE IN FAVOR AND A PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE WILL BE PUBLISHED

[01:15:01]

IN THE NEWSPAPER.

PRIOR TO CITY COUNCIL, ONE NOTIFICATION SIGN WAS PLACED BY THE APPLICANT ON THE LAW, AND IT IS TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED FOR THE JUNE 2ND, 2026 CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

AND AGAIN, IT'S CURRENTLY ZONE GB AND THEY'RE PROPOSING MSMU.

UM, WHEN LOOKING AT ZONE CHANGES, STAFF LOOKS AT THE CRITERIA LISTED IN 2154 D, THIS AREA AND THE SURROUNDING AREAS DESIGNATED AS MAIN STREET IN THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION AND FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

IT'S INTENDED FOR A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL, LOW INTENSITY COMMERCIAL AND CULTURAL AND ENTERTAINMENT USES.

UH, THEIR PROPOSED MSMU IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN, FUTURE LAND USE PLAN AND ENGINEERING, UH, PROVIDED A MEMO ON THE EXPECTED INCREASE OF TRAFFIC OR NOT.

AND, UH, THEY CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT THERE'S NO EXPECTED INCREASE OR DECREASE IN TRAFFIC, AND THERE'S NO ADVERSE IMPACT TO THE CITY'S TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM BY THE ZONE CHANGE REQUEST.

UH, THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE TO MSMU, UH, PROMOTES THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE CITY AS IT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE COMP PLAN AND THE USES ALLOWED ARE COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT'S THERE.

AGAIN, THE MSMU ZONING DISTRICT IS INTENDED FOR PROPERTIES ON MAIN STREET AND IN THE MAIN STREET CORRIDOR, WHICH THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN BOTH OF THESE PARAMETERS.

UM, AGAIN, SOME OF THESE USES INCLUDE SINGLE FAMILY, MULTI-FAMILY, LOW INTENSITY, COMMERCIAL ALONG MAIN STREET.

WE ALREADY SEE RESTAURANTS, PROFESSIONAL OFFICES, RETAIL, PERSONAL SERVICES.

SO THE PROPOSED MSMU IS CONSISTENT AND APPROPRIATE WITHIN THIS AREA.

FIRE EMS AND PD DO NOT HAVE OBJECTIONS TO THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE WHEN THEY REVIEWED IT AND A PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE WAS SENT TO S-E-U-C-I-S-D.

SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF PLZC 20 26 0 1 0 1 DUE TO THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY ON MAIN STREET, THE COMPATIBILITY WITH THE EXISTING USES IN THE COMP PLAN, FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE JUST TO BE PRESENT, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY.

OKAY, THANK YOU DAISY.

WELL, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT UP.

IT IS SEVEN 17.

ANYBODY CLEARED OUT REAL QUICK? UM, WELL, IT IS STILL SEVEN 17.

WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

UH, I HAVE A QUESTION.

DO Y'ALL ARE JUST TRYING TO, WHAT, UH, WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OR THE INTENT BEHIND THE REZONE, I GUESS? UM, PROPERTY'S CURRENTLY NOT PLATTED AND HAS GB ZONING.

MSMU ZONING ONLY REQUIRES TWO PARKING SPACES.

GOTCHA.

SO, BUT IT'S A, IT'S A MINIMUM LOT SIZE ISSUE.

ANYBODY ELSE? MR. TRELLO? NO.

YOU, YOU READ MY MIND? YEAH, I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHY.

AGAIN, THIS IS ON MAIN STREET AS WELL.

SO, WELL, IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS, ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PLZC 2 26 0 1 0 1.

WHEN I SECOND ON THE MOTION, THAT IS A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PLZC 2 0 2 6 0 1 0 1 BY COMMISSIONER OUTLAW, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ.

IF THERE ARE NO OTHER COMMENTS, PLEASE VOTE.

THERE ARE SEVEN VOTES.

CAN YOU PLEASE PUBLISH THAT? THAT MOTION CARRIES.

ALL RIGHT.

MOVING ON.

PLZC

[D. PLZC20260109 - Hold a public hearing and make a recommendation on a zone change request on approximately 0.4 acres of land from General Business District (GB) to Main Street Mixed Use District (MSMU), known as 506 Main St. and 508 Main St., specifically known as Guadalupe County Property Identification Numbers 32859 and 32861, City of Schertz, Guadalupe County, Texas.]

2 0 2 6 0 1 0 9.

HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING A MAKE RECOMMENDATION ON A ZONE CHANGE REQUEST ON APPROXIMATELY 0.4 ACRES OF LAND FROM GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT TO MAIN STREET MIXED USE, KNOWN AS 5 0 6 MAIN STREET M 5 0 8 MAIN STREET, SPECIFICALLY KNOWN AS GUADALUPE COUNTY PROPERTY IDENTIFICATION NUMBERS 3 2 8 5 9 AND 3 2 8 6 1 CITY, SHE, GUADALUPE COUNTY, TEXAS.

SEE, GOOD EVENING.

ONE AGAIN.

PLZC 20 26 1 0 9.

A PROPOSED 0.4 ACRE ZONE CHANGE TO MSMU.

UM, THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES TO THE RIGHT OF MELANIE'S.

THE ZONE CHANGE YOU JUST HEARD IT IS CURRENTLY PLATTERED AS MAIN STREET BUSINESS PARK AND THEY'RE PROPOSING TO GO FROM GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT TO MSMU.

AGAIN, THEY'RE LOCATED IN THE, IN THE SAME VICINITY, UM, AT THE CORNER OF MAIN STREET AND FIRST STREET.

THEY'RE SURROUNDED BY GB ZONING.

AND AGAIN, HERE'S THE DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR MSMU AND SOME OF THE PERMITTED USES.

AGAIN, THIS IS NOT AN A COMPREHENSIVE LIST.

WE SENT OUT 17 PUBLIC NOTICES ON APRIL 23RD.

WE DID RECEIVE ONE IN FAVOR.

A PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE WILL BE PUBLISHED IN THE PAPER PRIOR TO CITY COUNCIL.

AND THIS IS TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED FOR THE JUNE 2ND CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

AGAIN, THIS IS ACTUALLY TWO PARCELS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO GO FROM JB GB TO MSMU.

AND AGAIN, THE CRITERIA, UM, LISTED IN 2154 D.

AGAIN, THIS AREA IS PART OF THAT MAIN STREET CORRIDOR.

IT'S DESIGNATED AT AS MAIN STREET AND THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, LAND USE DESIGNATION.

AND THEY'RE PROPOSING MSMU, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN.

[01:20:02]

ENGINEERING ALSO PROVIDED A MEMO THAT THERE'S NO PROPOSED CHANGE IN USE.

IT'S ALREADY DEVELOPED AS OFFICES.

THERE WILL BE NO ADVERSE IMPACT TO THE CITY'S TRA TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM.

AND AGAIN, THIS PROPERTY'S ALSO ON MAIN STREET, ALSO WITHIN THE MAIN STREET CORRIDOR.

UM, IT MATCHES WHAT'S ALREADY ALONG MAIN STREET AND THE PERMITTED USES IN MSMU WOULD BE CONSISTENT AND INAPPROPRIATE WITH, WITH WHAT'S ALREADY ALONG MAIN STREET.

AND AGAIN, FIRE EMS AND PD DID NOT HAVE OBJECTIONS TO THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE.

AND S-E-U-C-I-S-D WAS MAILED A PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE.

SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF 20 PLZC 20 26 0 1 0 9 DUE TO THE LOCATION ON MAIN STREET, THE COMPATIBILITY OF THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE WITH THE COMP PLAN AND THE EXISTING USES IN THE MEDIA AREA.

THEY'RE WORKING TOGETHER.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU DAISY.

QUESTIONS? OH, HOLD ON.

I'M SORRY.

IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING.

UH, IT IS 7 21 ON THE DOT.

ANYBODY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? NO, IT IS STILL 7 21.

WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING NOW.

COMMISSIONER, QUESTIONS.

COMMISSIONER, WHY ARE WE DOING THESE TWO ADDRESSES TOGETHER? AND THEY'RE RIGHT NEXT TO THE ONE THAT WE DID BY ITSELF.

UM, SO THEY'RE DOING THE ZONE CHANGE TOGETHER SO THEY CAN WORK TOGETHER.

AND THEN, UM, THE RANDOLPH REALTY OFFICES, WHICH IS THIS ZONE CHANGE.

UM, THEY ALSO WANT THE FLEXIBILITY IF IN THE NEAR FUTURE THEY EVER WANNA CHANGE TO SOMETHING, THEN THEY CAN USE THE PARKING SPACES THAT THEY HAVE AND THE BUILDINGS THEY ALREADY HAVE.

THERE'S NO, ESSENTIALLY THERE'S NO NEGATIVE TO NOT GETTING MSMU ZONE CHANGE FOR THEM, ESSENTIALLY.

QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, MOTIONS, ALL EARS.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PLZC 2 0 2 6 0 1 0 9.

SECOND.

THAT WAS COMMISSIONER HUGHES.

THANK YOU, SIR.

OKAY, SO THAT WAS, UH, MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PLZC 2 0 2 6 0 1 0 9 BY COMMISSIONER MCMASTER, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER HUGHES.

UM, THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS.

PLEASE VOTE.

THERE ARE SEVEN VOTES.

CAN WE PUBLISH THEM? THAT MOTION CARRIES.

AND THOSE ITEMS TENTATIVELY JUNE 2ND AT CITY COUNCIL.

AWESOME.

SO THOSE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS FOR OF APPROVAL.

UH,

[A. Requests by Commissioners to place items on a future Planning and Zoning Agenda]

ALRIGHT, MOVING ON TO REQUESTS.

UH, ARE THERE REQUESTS BY ANY COMMISSIONERS TO PLACE ITEMS ON A FUTURE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENDA COM MR. OUTLAW? UM, I JUST WANNA THROW THIS OUT THERE.

I'VE, I'VE BEEN BEEN THINKING A LOT SINCE OUR LAST MEETING ABOUT THE, UM, THE SIGN ORDINANCE AND ITS IMPACT ON, UH, SHIRT STATION.

AND I'M WONDERING, W WOULD, WOULD IT BE WORTH HAVING A WORKSHOP TO EXPLORE MAYBE, UM, EXPANDING THE SIGN ORDINANCE TO WHERE WE CONSIDER THINGS LIKE DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN A A, A SINGLE BUSINESS OR, UH, A BIG DEVELOPMENT LIKE SHIRT STATION.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE COULD LOOK AT THINGS LIKE ACREAGE OR NUMBER OF BUILD MORE THAN ONE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IN, IN, IN, IN, IN TERMS OF, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE OLD, THE OLD SAYING THAT ONE SIZE DOESN'T FIT ALL.

I, I I, I'M, I'M REALLY LOOKING FOR AN OPINION HERE, EMILY.

IS IT, DO YOU THINK IT'S, YOU THINK IT'S WORTHWHILE LOOKING AT OR? SO WHAT I'M KIND OF HEARING IS JUST A WORKSHOP ON ARTICLE 11, SIGNAGE STANDARDS FOR THE CITY ASSURES KIND OF, AGAIN, RIGHT NOW THEY DON'T GO INTO THOSE SPECIFICS, RIGHT? WE USED TO HAVE WALL SIGNS FOR MULTI-TENANT BUILDINGS VERSUS SINGLE TENANT BUILDINGS.

WE TOOK ALL THAT OUT TO TRY TO SIMPLIFY THE CODE A LITTLE BIT.

UM, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE MORE OF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IS, IS TRULY THAT JUST A WORKSHOP ON SIGNAGE IN THE CITY ASSURES LOOKING AT ARTICLE 11 AGAIN? WELL, YEAH, I GUESS USING YOUR WORDS TO RE COMPLICATE IT, BUT, UM, BE, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WHEN I THINK ABOUT IT, SHIRT STATION IS A LOT DIFFERENT THAN, THAN THE COMMERCIAL RETAIL.

WE'VE GOT JUST NEXT DOOR TO US DOWN HERE.

AND, UM, I, I, I, BUT I DON'T WANNA WASTE A LOT OF TIME AND I THOUGHT MAYBE YOU MIGHT HAVE A FEEL FOR, SINCE THIS ALL CAME FROM COUNCIL.

UM, AND, AND I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE I SHOULD

[01:25:01]

ASK THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS WHAT, WHAT THEY THINK.

DO YOU THINK IT'S WORTH LOOKING AT OR SHOULD WE JUST LEAVE IT ALONE WORTH LOOKING AT 35 OR 10 AND, AND DON'T RUN OFF 'CAUSE I'VE GOT A COMMENT FOR YOU BEFORE YOU LEAVE.

ANNOUNCEMENTS, UH, I'LL, I'LL START AND JUST SAY, UH, I, I DID GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO ATTEND THE NATIONAL PLANNING CONFERENCE LAST WEEK AND, UH, DATA CENTERS AND AI WERE THE HOT TOPICS THIS YEAR.

THANK YOU CHAIRMAN.

YES, SIR.

AND, UM, IF, IF I COULD ADD ONE, COULD WE WORK LOOK AT ADDING, UM, DATA CENTERS TO OUR OR PERMITTED USE TABLES PLEASE AS A SPECIFIC USE JUST IN, IN TERMS OF WHERE IT, IN WHAT ZONING DISTRICT DO WE THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE? UM, BUT ADDING IT SO THAT THERE'S A, THERE'S A, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A ZONE CHANGE REQUIREMENT.

JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, IS THAT A WORKSHOP TO DISCUSS THAT? OR WOULD YOU LIKE STAFF TO WORK ON A UDC AMENDMENT TO BRING FORWARD THE SECOND ITEM? OKAY.

ANYBODY ELSE? NO.

ALRIGHT, WELL, MOVING ON.

[B. Announcements by Commissioners City and community events attended and to be attended Continuing education events attended and to be attended]

SO IT WAS INTERESTING HEARING, THERE WERE A LOT OF WESTERN STATES, UM, WHO ALL KIND OF HAD PRESENTATIONS ON THIS AND SO IT WAS INTERESTING TO HEAR THEIR PERSPECTIVE.

BUT, UM, YEAH, THAT, UH, I, I'D LIKE US TO KIND OF BE AHEAD OF THAT, ESPECIALLY IN A STATE THAT SEEMS VERY GUNG-HO ON UM, OPENING THE DOOR, UH, JUST TO BE AHEAD OF THAT.

SO ANYBODY ELSE? ANNOUNCEMENTS? NO.