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WE WILL GO AHEAD AND CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
[2. SEAT ALTERNATE TO ACT IF REQUIRED]
UH, TONIGHT WE HAVE, UH, TWO OF OUR LOVELY ALTERNATES JOINING US TODAY.COMMISSIONERS, UH, LARE REYES AND COMMISSIONERS GRADY FILLING IN.
UH, WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE HEARING OF RESIDENCE.
IS THERE ANYBODY SIGNED UP? NO.
UM, THERE'LL BE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE INDIVIDUAL CASES.
[4. CONSENT AGENDA:]
THE CONSENT AGENDA, UH, THE MINUTES FOR THE MAY 6TH REGULAR MEETING.ANY COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS ON THE MINUTES? MOTIONS.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UM, APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS SUBMITTED.
THAT WAS A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE MAY 6TH, 2026 REGULAR MEETING, UH, BY COMMISSIONER OUTLAW.
UH, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MASTER MCMASTER.
IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS, PLEASE VOTE.
CAN WE PUBLISH THAT? MOTION CARRIES.
[A. PLCPA20260074 - Hold a public hearing and make a recommendation on a request to amend the Comprehensive Land Use Plan – Future Land Use Map from Local Corridor to Industrial Hub on approximately 2.1 acres of land, known as 6615 FM 482, specifically known as Comal County Property Identification Numbers 428461 and 78974, City of Schertz, Comal County, Texas.]
FIVE A-P-L-C-P-A 2 0 2 6 0 0 7 4.HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON A REQUEST TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN.
FUTURE LAND USE MAP FROM LOCAL CORRIDOR TO INDUSTRIAL HUB.
ON APPROXIMATELY 2.1 ACRES OF LAND KNOWN AS 6 6 1 15 FM 4 82, SPECIFICALLY KNOWN AS CON, UH, COMAL COUNTY PROPERTY IDENTIFICATION NUMBER 4 2 8 4 6 1 AND 7 8 9 7 4.
CITY ASSURES, COMAL COUNTY, TEXAS, DAISY, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.
P-L-C-P-A 2 26 0 0 7 4 OR PROPOSED COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN AMENDMENT ON 2.1 ACRES OF LAND DAISY MARQUEZ SENIOR PLANNER.
HERE'S A SUBJECT PROPERTY OUTLINED IN YELLOW.
IT IS, UM, EAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF FM 4 82 AND FRIESEN HAN ROAD.
IT'S CURRENTLY UNPLED AND IT CURRENTLY HAS A RESIDENCE IN OLDER COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS.
AND THIS APPLICATION IS ACCOMPANIED BY THE ZONE CHANGE APPLICATION AFTER THIS PLZC 20 26 0 0 3 5.
SO IT IS CURRENTLY DESIGNATED AS LOCAL CORRIDOR.
THAT'S THAT LIGHTER PINK YOU SEE IN THE IMAGE TO THE NORTH.
IT IS DESIGNATED AS LOCAL CORRIDOR TO THE SOUTH WE HAVE LOCAL CORRIDOR AND THEN REGIONAL CORRIDOR BEYOND THE RAILROAD TRACKS.
AND THEN TO THE EAST AND THE WEST WE HAVE LOCAL CORRIDOR AS WELL.
WE SENT OUT SEVEN PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES ON MAY 21ST.
WE DID RECEIVE ONE NOTICE IN OPPOSITION.
A PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE WILL BE PUBLISHED IN THE NEWSPAPER PRIOR TO CITY COUNCIL AND NOTIFICATION SIGNED WAS POSTED BY THE APPLICANT ON THE PROPERTY.
AND THIS IS TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED FOR THE JULY 7TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
SO AGAIN, KIND OF LOOKING AT WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED TONIGHT.
THIS AREA AND AROUND IS DESIGNATED AS LOCAL CORRIDOR AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING INDUSTRIAL HUB.
SO KIND OF SHOWING YOU STRAIGHT FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN, WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED AND WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE.
SO LOCAL CORRIDOR IS MEANT FOR LOCAL ORIENTED COMMERCIAL ENTERTAINMENT AREAS.
AND FROM THE IMAGES YOU SEE STRAIGHT FROM THE COMP PLAN, THINK OF THOSE INTERSECTIONS ON THREE TO OH NINE BY THE WALMART SHOPPING AREA WHERE YOU HAVE A LOT OF RETAIL MIXED WITH RESTAURANTS TOGETHER.
AND YOU HAVE THAT IN PROXIMITY TO NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND WE ALLOW THINGS, WE STILL ALLOW, UM, RESIDENTIAL USES IN PROXIMITY TO THESE COMMERCIAL USES.
BUT OBVIOUSLY WITH SOME TRANSITION IN BETWEEN THAT WHERE INDUSTRIAL HUB DOESN'T ALLOW FOR ANY TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL USES.
IT'S MEANT FOR MANUFACTURING WAREHOUSING.
IT ALLOWS HEAVIER, UM, UM, IT ALLOWS HEAVIER ZONING THAT WOULD ALLOW THESE REALLY HEAVY TYPE OF USES.
AND WHEN IT COMES TO COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN AMENDMENTS, STAFF LOOKS AT THE CRITERIA LISTED IN UDC SECTION 21 4 60 FOR THE CRITERIA OF APPROVAL.
SO THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN HAS ITS OWN OBJECTIVES AND IT'S INTENDED TO BE A RATIONAL AND REASONABLE BASIS FOR MAKING DECISIONS ABOUT THE COMMUNITY.
AND THE UDC IS INTENDED TO IMPLEMENT THOSE INTENTS AND THOSE OBJECTIVES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN TO PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY.
WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED TONIGHT AT THE SUBJECT LOCATION TO INDUSTRIAL HUB DOESN'T IMPLEMENT THE POLICIES OF THE STRATEGIES OF THE COMP PLAN BECAUSE THE, THIS PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY PART OF THE FOCUS AREA FIVE THAT WAS STUDIED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND IT DOESN'T IMPLEMENT THOSE STRATEGIES THAT ARE LISTED.
IT'S NOT COMPATIBLE OR APPROPRIATE WITH THE USES IN THE AREA, WHICH ULTIMATELY DOESN'T PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY.
AND AGAIN, LOOKING AT WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED TONIGHT, UM, LOOKING DIRECTLY AT THOSE OBJECTIVES FROM THE COMP PLAN, ONE OF THE MAIN OBJECTIVES IS TO MINIMIZE POTENTIAL CONFLICTS BETWEEN LAND USES.
AND THEN EVEN LOOKING AT THE MARKET SNAPSHOT WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE WANNA INCORPORATE RETAIL WITH PLACEMAKING AND DESTINATION TO INCREASE SIGNIFICANCE.
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INDUSTRIAL HUB, LAND USE DESIGNATION PERMITS, LIGHT AND HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USES AND ZONING.SO IF WE LOOK AT THE COMP PLAN AND IT HAS INDUSTRIAL HUB, UM, AS THE LAND USE DESIGNATION, STAFF WOULD SEE GB TWO, M1 AND M TWO AS APPROPRIATE WITHIN THAT AREA.
KIND OF JUST LOOKING AT THE ZONING DISTRICTS, THAT'S KIND OF OUR STARTING POINT WHEN LOOKING AT THE CRITERIA.
UM, IN ADDITION, IT DOESN'T MINGLE WITH THE CHARACTERISTICS OF FOCUS AREA FIVE AND IT'S IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL USES AND BUILDINGS.
SO THE STARS DENOTE SOME RESIDENTIAL USES IN THE AREA TO THE NORTH WE HAVE AGRICULTURE, SO THAT'S CURRENTLY, UM, CULTIVATED YEAR ROUND.
AND THEN ABOVE THAT WE HAVE SOME RURAL RESIDENCES STILL.
AND THEN TO THE WEST WE HAVE JOHN PAUL, SECOND CATHOLIC HIGH SCHOOL.
AND THEN, UM, UNDER FM 42, THAT, UH, PROPERTY IS ALSO OWNED BY THE ARKS OF SAN SAN ANTONIO.
SO ULTIMATELY THE ZONING DISTRICTS THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED BY THIS COMPREHEND COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN AMENDMENT DOESN'T MINIMIZE CONFLICT BETWEEN LAND USES.
AND AGAIN, KIND OF SHOWING YOU THE LOCUS LOCAL, THE CLOSEST INDUSTRIAL HUB LAND USE DESIGNATION IN PROXIMITY TO THIS.
SO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS OUTLINED IN YELLOW ALL THE WAY IN THIS TOP RIGHT CORNER.
AND THE CLOSEST INDUSTRIAL HUB, WHICH IS THIS BRIGHTER TYPE OF PURPLE, IS ABOUT 2.5 MILES AWAY ALL THE WAY WEST OF FM 2252.
AND IF YOU THINK THIS IS WHERE, YOU KNOW, STX RIO IS GOING UP, WE HAVE, WE HAVE ALL THAT SPEC INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSING GOING UP.
AND AGAIN, KIND OF JUST LOOKING AT THE AREA AND THE NATURAL CHARACTERISTICS, THE RAILROAD TRACKS ACT AS THAT PHYSICAL DIVIDING LINE FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN.
AS YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT, IT KIND OF FOLLOWS THE CURVES OF THE UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD.
THE TENT OF THE AREA IN THE LOCAL CORRIDOR IS TO UTILIZE THE MAJOR TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS TO PROVIDE THAT RETAIL COMMERCIAL DESTINATIONS.
AGAIN, FM 3 0 9, FM 1103, BUT ALSO TO UTILIZE THE EXISTING BUILDINGS TO EMPHASIZE THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA TO CREATE A DESTINATION.
UM, KIND OF GOING DEEPER INTO THAT, I THINK THIS IS AT FOCUS AREA FIVE THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, WHERE THIS PROPERTY IS PART OF THAT.
THIS IS THE OTHER AREA OF SHIRTS WHERE WE HAVE THOSE OLDER BUILDINGS.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, THAT CHURCH AND WE HAVE SOME OF THOSE OLDER BUILDINGS OVER THERE, ALTHOUGH THEY MIGHT NOT BE DESIGNATED.
UM, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE UNIQUE AREA OF SHIRTS WHERE WE HAVE SOME BUILDINGS WITH ACTUAL CHARACTER.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, IN THESE TWO IMAGES ON THE RIGHT, THESE ARE ACTUALLY, UM, BUILDINGS ON THE PROPERTY WE'RE SPEAKING OF TONIGHT.
UM, FOCUS AREA FIVE RECOMMENDED STRATEGIES TO ENCOURAGE RESTAURANTS AND ENTERTAINMENT AND REALLY USING THESE BUILDINGS TO OUR ADVANTAGE TO CREATE A DESTINATION NOT ONLY FOR CURRENT RESIDENTS BUT TO CREATE A DESTINATION FOR OTHER PEOPLE TO COME AND SPEND THEIR MONEY IN SHORTS.
SO NOT ONLY FOR THE PEOPLE HERE, BUT TO REALLY BRING PEOPLE FROM THE OUTSIDE INTO OUR CITY AND REALLY CREATE THAT DESTINATION.
SO AGAIN, THE PROPOSED INDUSTRIAL HUB DOES NOT MEET THESE FOCUS AREA FIVE STRATEGIES.
IT IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN.
SO THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS NOT ADDRESSING ANY CHANGING CIRCUMSTANCES.
IT DOESN'T IMPLEMENT THE COMP PLAN POLICIES BETTER AND IT DOESN'T ADDRESS ANY ERRORS OR DEFICIENCIES IN THE PLAN.
WE HAVE REVIEWS THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT AND IT DOES MEET ALL UDC REQUIREMENTS AND THIS WAS SENT TO FIRE EMS AND PD AND THEY DID NOT PROVIDE ANY SPECIFIC OBJECTIONS TO THIS REQUEST.
SO THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN FEATURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT TO INDUSTRIAL HUB ON THESE APPROXIMATELY 2.1 ACRES AT THIS LOCATION IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES OF THE COMP PLAN AND IS NOT CORRECT ANY MAPPING ERRORS OR DEFICIENCIES IN THE ADOPTED COMP PLAN.
SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING DENIAL OF P-L-C-P-A 20 26 0 0 7 4, AND THEN THE APPLICANT IS HERE WITH A PRESENTATION AS WELL.
HELLO, I ETHAN, UH, BRACEY REPRESENTING THE PROPERTY OWNER OF GORDON WARD.
HE COULDN'T MAKE IT TODAY, BUT FOR THIS, THE PROPERTY, UH, LOCATED 6 6 1 15 FM 4 82, WE'RE LOOKING TO DO THE LAND AMENDMENT CHANGE FROM LOCAL CORRIDOR TO INDUSTRIAL JUST TO ALLOW THE REZONING FROM PRE TO GB TWO, WHICH IS THE FOLLOWING REZONING CASE OR THE PROPOSED USE.
WE HAVE, IT'S CURRENTLY BEING USED JUST FOR OUTDOOR STORAGE AND WE WANT TO JUST BRING IT INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE SHIRTS, REGULATIONS FOR THAT.
SO YOU KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO, UH, REZONE IT THE GB TWO TO ALLOW OUTDOOR STORAGE.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE REASON FOR THE LAND PLAN AMENDMENT CHANGE.
SO THE SITE OPERATIONS, IT'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND ADD THE PAVING TO MEET THE SHIRTS REGULATIONS ALONG WITH THE PRIVACY FENCE.
AND IT'D JUST BE USED JUST FOR GENERAL CONSTRUCTION MATERIAL AND MACHINERY AND, YOU
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KNOW, POTENTIAL USING IT AS A, SOME OF THOSE EXISTING BUILDINGS AS AN OFFICE BUILDING JUST FOR CONSTRUCTION OPERATIONS AND ADMIN USE.AND THEN THE SURROUNDING USE, AS SHE SAID, UP NORTH IS THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT INTO THE EAST TO THE LEFT OF US IS THAT RESIDENTIAL TO THE LEFT RIGHT IS ALSO, UH, RESIDENTIAL, BUT ZONE PRE AND THEN PAST THE RAILROAD TRACKS, THERE IS HEAVIER M1, UH, ZONING FOR HEAVIER, UH, INDUSTRIAL USE THAN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, INCLUDING, UH, AMAZON WAREHOUSE IN THAT AREA.
AND WE DID ACTUALLY GET SUPPORT FROM THE, SOME OF THE ADJOINING RA NEIGHBORS TO THE LEFT.
WE DO HAVE A SIGNED PETITION FROM THEM AS WELL.
THE NEXT SLIDE FROM THE 6 6 9 1 FM 4 82 NEIGHBOR DID VOICE SUPPORT AND WE DID SEND OUT, I GUESS A ZONING, UH, PETITION FOR THE REZONING OF THE LAND PLAN AMENDMENT JUST TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS AS WELL.
AND WE DID GET SOME, UH, SIGNATURES ON THAT FOR SUPPORT.
AND WE DID HOST A COMM COMMUNITY MEETING WITH SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS AS WELL ON MAY 14TH JUST TO ADDRESS ANY CONCERNS AND DIDN'T HAVE, UH, ANY OPPOSITION THERE AS WELL.
AND THEN THE ECONOMIC IMPACT WOULD BE JUST THAT, UH, PROPERTY CURRENTLY BEING USED AS OUTDOOR STORAGE, SO WE'D WANT TO BE ABLE TO KEEP IT AS THAT AND JUST BRING IT INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE USE.
AND IT JUST WOULD HELP SUPPORT JUST THE CONTRACTORS IN THE AREA AND JUST GENERAL CONSTRUCTION IN THE AREA AS THERE'S A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION IN THE REGION THERE.
AND THEN CONCLUSION, WE BELIEVE THAT THE REZONING AND LAND PLAN CHANGE AMENDMENT WOULD BE REASONABLE JUST TO ALLOW THE GB TWO ZONING TO ALLOW THE PROPERTY TO BE CONTINUED TO BE USED FOR OUTDOOR STORAGE AND WILL HELP WITH JUST CONSTRUCTION IN THE AREA AND JUST GENERAL CONTRACTOR SUPPORT THERE.
WELL, WE WILL MOVE, UH, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD TO THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO FOR ANYONE WHO'S WANTED TO SPEAK, JUST SO YOU KIND OF GET THE IDEA OF HOW THIS RUNS, UM, WE'LL OPEN IT UP HERE IN A SECOND.
YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME UP AND ADDRESS AND, AND, YOU KNOW, RAISE ANY CONCERNS OR ISSUES OR COMMENTS THAT YOU'D LIKE.
WE WON'T, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO RESPOND TO ANYTHING, SO PLEASE DON'T, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, YOU'RE WELCOME TO WRITE, ASK THEM, WE'LL TAKE NOTES AND WE CAN ASK STAFF.
UM, BUT IT'S, THIS ISN'T A BACK AND FORTH TYPE OF THING, SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT UP.
WE WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, JUST COME ON UP.
IF YOU WOULD JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
YES, UH, MARTIN FRIES NUN, 22 900 OLD MACS, UH, NEW BROWNVILLE.
UH, ACTUALLY JUST ACROSS THE AGRICULTURAL PORTION THAT YOU SAW THERE.
UM, REALLY ALL I WAS WAS GONNA ADDRESS IS JUST A COUPLE CONCERNS 'CAUSE I KNOW IT'S, UH, UM, THE INDUSTRIAL USE.
AND, UM, I DID GO TO THAT MEETING THAT WAS PRESENTED AND YOU KNOW, THEY KIND OF MENTIONED A BIT OF WHAT THEY WERE GONNA DO WITH THE PROPERTY AND, UH, WHAT THE USE WOULD BE WITH STORING OF EQUIPMENT AND SO FORTH.
SO I GUESS MY CONCERNS, OR I GUESS I'LL JUST KINDA MENTION THOSE, UH, THE PAVING PORTION THAT THEY MENTIONED A WHILE AGO MIGHT, UH, ALLEVIATE THE DUST CONCERN.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALWAYS THAT CONCERN 'CAUSE I, UH, MY HOUSE IS A BIT AWAY FROM THERE, BUT YOU KNOW, THE, THE WIND DOES BLOW THAT WAY AND, YOU KNOW, I HAVE THAT CONCERN.
UH, OTHER CONCERNS, THE PROPERTY IS ONLY TWO ACRES, SO YOU KNOW HOW MANY TRUCKS ARE GONNA BE STORED THERE, IF THAT'S THE, UH, USE IT'S GONNA BE FOR AND WHAT SIZE OF TRUCKS.
SO I DIDN'T REALLY GET THAT AT THE, UH, INITIAL MEETING THAT WE HAD.
SO THAT WAS KIND OF A CONCERN.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, WITH A SMALL PROPERTY LIKE THAT AND THE ACCESS COMING IN FROM 4 82 TO UH, TURN ONTO THAT, UM, ALSO, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'D BE A CONCERN, BUT I ALWAYS HAVE THAT CONCERN 'CAUSE I HAVE FENCES THERE AND ON THE BOTTOM OTHER END OF MY PROPERTY, THERE'S BEEN AT LEAST SEVERAL OCCASIONS WHERE TRUCKS TURNED AROUND AND ACTUALLY BACKED INTO OUR FENCE.
AND OF COURSE WHEN THEY DO THAT, THEY DON'T COME AND TELL YOU, OH, WE, WE RUINED YOUR FENCE, UM, YOU KNOW, LET'S PAY FOR THE DAMAGE.
AND SO I HAVE A CONCERN ON THAT, WHICH AGAIN, IT MAY NOT BE BASED ON THE WAY THE PROPERTY IS AND THE TURNING THERE.
UM, LASTLY, THE, UH, IT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER IN ABOUT THE HISTORICAL SIDE OR I KNOW IT'S UNDER THE SHIRTS, HISTORICAL DISTRICT AND THE CANAL AREA.
AND THERE ARE SEVERAL THINGS THAT ARE LISTED IN THAT.
AND THE CHURCH MENTIONED THE CEMETERY, THE, UH, GENERAL STORE AND THEN THAT WAS ACTUALLY A BLACKSMITH SHOP AT ONE TIME.
SO THE FRONT OF IT REALLY LOOKS PRETTY COOL IN RELATION TO THE AREA.
AND THERE WAS SOME TALK ABOUT POSSIBLY TEARING THAT BUILDING DOWN AND STUFF.
SO THAT'S KIND OF A CONCERN JUST BECAUSE, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, AS A LONG TIME RESIDENT, IT'S KINDA JUST ALWAYS BEEN THERE AND IT IS PART OF THAT HISTORICAL SITE.
UM, SO ANYWAYS, THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF MY CONCERNS.
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ANYBODY ELSE? GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE.WHAT IS SIX 15? WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS MR. ALLAH.
WELL MO MOST OF MY QUESTIONS, UM, ARE REALLY AIMED AT THE LAND USE PLAN.
UM, I TOOK A DRIVE UP FOR YOU TO YESTERDAY, UH, FROM 2252 ALL THE WAY TO, UM, THINK SCHWAB IS WHERE I, WHERE I TURNED AND CAME BACK UP TO 35.
BUT, UM, AS YOU DRIVE THAT ALONG 42, THERE'S ALREADY A MIXTURE OF, THERE'S STILL SOME SINGLE FAM, YOU KNOW, THESE LARGE LOTS PROBABLY LEFTOVER FARM AND IT'S INTERMINGLED WITH, UH, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS YOU COME TO IS THE, IS THE BACK GATE TO THE CONCRETE PLANT.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S UM, TWO OR THREE TRUCK STORAGE, UM, THINGS ALONG THERE.
UM, SO I, I GUESS QUESTION NUMBER ONE I HAD WAS WHY DOES, WHY DID WE DECIDE ON LOCAL CORRIDOR FOR FOR 4 82? I MEAN, WHAT DO WE SEE BEING, AND, AND A FOLLOW ON IS IS IN ONE OF YOUR SLIDES YOU SAID SUPPORT ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
SO WHAT ARE WE ANTICIPATING OUT THERE THAT, THAT WE, WE DESIGNATED THAT LOCAL CORRIDOR? SO KIND OF JUST GOING OFF OF THAT, UM, THERE ARE SOME CONCRETE BATCHES IN THE AREA YOU CAN SEE THAT'S DESIGNATED AS GREEN.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE ONE THAT'S SPECIFICALLY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT THESE ARE OUTSIDE OF STATE OF LIMITS.
THEY'RE IN THE ETJ, WE DON'T HAVE ANY JURISDICTION OVER THOSE.
SO THOSE ARE DESIGNATED AS DEVELOPMENT DEFERMENT IF AT ANY TIME, YOU KNOW, THEY GO OUT OF SERVICE AND WE HAVE TO, THEY COME IN ADDISON TO THE CITY AND THE CITY ESSENTIALLY HAS TO DEAL WITH THAT GIANT BROWNFIELD THAT'S THERE.
UM, BUT ESSENTIALLY WE WANTED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF FM 42.
SO AGAIN, THINK OF FM 3 0 9, FM 1103, WHERE WE WANNA TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE TECH STOCK ROADS.
UM, WE DO HAVE SOME RESIDENTIAL ZONING MORE ALONG FM 42 THAT IS KIND OF WAITING FOR INFRASTRUCTURE TO COME IN.
THAT'S PART OF A LARGER EDC PROJECT.
WE DO HAVE SOME, UM, SO NEXT DOOR, THE SAUNDERS, THEY LIVE HERE, WE PLANNING ZONING AND CITY COUNCIL BOTH APPROVED THAT RESIDENTIAL REZONED IN 2024 JUST RECENTLY.
SO THAT'S KIND OF A STORY OF WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.
WELL THE CONCRETE I WAS TALKING ABOUT I THINK IS VULCAN MATERIALS OR SOMETHING THERE.
THEY ACTUALLY FACE THE FRONT I 35, BUT THEY HAVE A, THEY HAVE A BACK ENTRANCE ON 4 82.
YEAH, I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
NOW THAT IS AN OLDER PROPERTY THAT WAS ANNEX SOMETIME IN THE EIGHTIES VIA LIKE THREE ANNEXATION ORDINANCE, AND THAT'S A LONGER STORY, SIR.
NO, I I, I, TRUST ME, I'VE BEEN HERE LONGER THAN YOU HAVE.
BUT IT, IT WASN'T ABOUT THAT SPECIFIC USE, IT'S, IT'S ABOUT IS YOUR DRIVE 4 82? IT JUST DOESN'T LOOK LIKE LOCAL CORRIDOR TO ME, NOR DOES IT LOOK, I, I MEAN, RIGHT NOW TODAY, UM, IT IT IT'S A MISHMASH OF WHAT YOU'RE GONNA FIND AS YOU DRIVE ALONG THAT ROAD.
UM, AND I WISH YOU HAD A, A BIGGER PICTURE OF THE LAND USE PLAN YEAR BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S REAL TO ME, IT'S REALLY STRANGE.
UM, THE WAY YOU START OUT THERE AT 2252 AND FOUR TWO IS BASICALLY, UM, REGIONAL CORRIDOR, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN IT MAKES THIS BIG, YOU KNOW, THIS THIS, THIS BIG, YOU KNOW, THIS BIG ZAG TO THE SOUTH AND BECOMES LOCAL CORRIDOR.
AND, UM, I I JUST, I'M NOT SURE.
SO WHAT I, WHAT I WAS, WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET OUT OF YA DAISY, WAS DO WE EXPECT A LOT OF, I MEAN, RIGHT NOW THERE CAN'T BE 50 PEOPLE OR A HUNDRED PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON 4 82.
WELL, IT IS A 10 TO 20 YEAR PLAN, SIR.
SO MAYBE, HOPEFULLY IN THE FUTURE WE CAN GET SOME ACTION AROUND HERE.
WELL, YOU SEE, AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I HAVE PROBLEMS BECAUSE I ARGUE THAT ALL THE TIME THAT, UH, YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A LACK OF INFRASTRUCTURE HERE.
UM, BUT WE HAD, I GUESS A YEAR OR SO AGO, WE HAD A, WE HAD A REZONE REQUEST OUT ON, UH, I 10 THAT I THOUGHT WAS PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE, BUT THE ARGUMENT WAS IT DIDN'T FIT THE LAND USE PLAN AND THAT, THAT SITE HAD BEEN THE
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WAY IT IS FOR THE 37 YEARS THAT I'VE LIVED IN SHIRTS.AND MY QUESTION WAS, HOW MUCH LONGER DO YOU, I HONESTLY DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S GONNA COME ALONG THAT'S GONNA MEET THE LAND, BUT YOU, YOU EVERYBODY DUG THEIR HEELS IN AND, AND I SEEN THE SAME THING GOING ON OUT HERE.
UM, AND YET IF A DEVELOPER CAME IN TOMORROW AND SAID HE WANTED TO CHANGE THIS TO, YOU KNOW, R SIX OR SOMETHING, WE, WE'D PROB UH, ANYWAY, UM, SO I WAS JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY, AND AND YOU LOOK AT THIS, THE GUY IS PROBABLY, WHAT, A HUNDRED FEET FROM REGIONAL CORRIDOR? OF COURSE THAT'S NOT WHAT HE'S ASKING FOR.
SO HERE'S ANOTHER QUESTION FOR YOU.
UM, IS WHAT HE INTENDS TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY, WOULD THAT BE ALLOWED? CAN, CAN WE HAVE GB TWO IN REGIONAL CORRIDOR? WE WOULD HAVE TO EVALUATE IT BASED ON ITS LOCATION, WHAT'S SURROUNDING IT AND THE COMP PLAN AS A STARTING POINT? NO, I'M JUST ASKING IN GENERAL, WOULD THE COMP PLAN DEFINITIONS OF REGIONAL CORRIDOR, WOULD THAT BE CONSISTENT? WOULD GB TWO ZONING BE CONSISTENT WITH REGIONAL CORRIDOR? PROBABLY NOT, SIR.
IT ALSO ASKS FOR SOME SORT OF MIX OF COMMERCIAL AND ALLOW SOME SORT OF RESIDENTIAL.
IDEALLY WE DO NOT WANT INDUSTRIAL IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL OR ENCLOSED PROXIMITY WITHOUT SOME SORT OF LARGE TRANSITIONAL, YOU KNOW, AREA USES THAT BUILD UP TO THAT USE.
WELL HERE'S WHERE COMMISSIONER OUTLAW IS COMING FROM.
IN MY MIND, THE CITY HAS DONE A VERY GOOD JOB OF SEPARATING RESIDENTIAL AND INDUSTRIAL USING INTERSTATE 35 AS A DIVIDING LINE.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WITH VERY FEW EXCEPTIONS OF ANY, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE GB AND ALL OF THE M1 AND ALL OF THAT STUFF IS NORTH OF 35.
AND SO I ALWAYS THOUGHT THE IDEA WAS THAT WOULD BE THE DIVIDING LINE AND UH, NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN WE WANT TO USE FOUR E TWO.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, YOU SEE SO MUCH OF THIS AREA OUT THERE IS OUTSIDE OUR ETJ, SO I JUST DON'T SEE THE, THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA SUPPORT THE NEED FOR, UM, LOCAL CORRIDOR.
BUT BY THE SAME TOKEN, I'M NOT SURE INDUSTRIAL HUB IS THE RIGHT ONE TO GO IN HERE EITHER.
UM, AND IT'S NO SECRET THAT I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF THE NEW COMP PLAN, UH, LAND USE PLAN.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE DIDN'T TAKE OUR YELLOW BRUSH AND PAINT THIS ALL, UH, WHAT IS IT? MIXED, UH, COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WHAT IS IT? COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOOD? YEAH.
UM, RATHER THAN, UH, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND LOCAL, LOCAL CORRIDORS INTENDED TO BE, UM, RETAIL AND YOU KNOW, WITH, AND I GUESS YOU CAN ALSO HAVE MULTIFAMILY AND SOME STUFF LIKE THAT IN THERE.
SO, UM, ANYWAY, SO AS, AGAIN, MOST OF MY CONCERNS ARE WITH THE COMP PLAN AND, AND, AND AGAIN, UNFORTUNATELY WE CALL AN INDUSTRIAL HUB, BUT, BUT I'M GONNA SAY IT ONE MORE TIME.
YOU DRIVE 4 82 AND, AND WHAT THE APPLICANT WANTS TO DO ON HIS PROPERTY, YOU'LL FIND AT LEAST FOUR TO FIVE SIMILAR EXISTING FACILITIES ON 4 82.
NOW HE WANTS TO GO GB TWO, AND I KNOW I'M ALWAYS UP HERE ABOUT STICK TO THE TOPIC, BUT WE NEED TO REMEMBER THAT TODAY IF, IF THAT ZONING WERE TO GET APPROVED AND HE WANTS TO USE IT FOR OUTDOOR STORAGE, BUT A YEAR, TWO YEARS, FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, HE SELLS THAT PROPERTY, IT'S GB TWO AND ANYTHING ON THAT LIST IN GB TWO COULD THEN BE BUILT ON THAT PROPERTY.
SO JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND AS WELL.
UM, DAISY, THIS IS A ON ON THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
THIS IS A, UH, PRIMARY ARTERIAL, RIGHT? PRIMARY ARTERIAL.
WE DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
I KNOW IT'S NOT SLIDE I'M LOOKING AT IT, IT'S OKAY.
UM, I MEAN I I I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND STAFF'S ARGUMENT AND I'M AGREEING WITH A LOT OF THE POINTS.
I THINK THE BIGGEST HANGUP IS THE PROXIMITY TO THE AMAZON FACILITY AND THE OTHER USES.
I MEAN IT BECAUSE IT'S, AND IT'S NOT EVEN LIKE, IT'S A, I MEAN MAYBE YOU CAN CLARIFY A LITTLE BIT EMILY, BUT IT'S A, IT'S A PRIMARY ARTERIAL.
I KNOW IT'S THE, IT'S THE RESIDENTIAL USES.
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KEEP IN MIND THAT A LOT OF THE BUSINESSES THAT, UM, COMMISSIONER OUTLAW MENTIONED THAT YOU'RE REFERENCING, THEY HAVE BEEN THERE IN SOME CAPACITY, MAYBE IT WASN'T AMAZON, BUT IT WAS A DIFFERENT DISTRIBUTION FACILITY.A LOT OF THOSE HAVE BEEN THERE PRIOR TO THE CITY ANNEXING THOSE PROPERTIES INTO THE CITY.
SO IT'S, I THINK THE FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION IS DO WE WANT TO LOOK AT THE FUTURE VISION OF SHIRTS OR DO WE WANNA STICK WITH WHAT HAS BEEN THERE SINCE PRIOR TO ANNEXATION POTENTIALLY AND THE ZONING THAT WAS ESTABLISHED A VERY LONG TIME AGO, OR DO WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT COULD THIS AREA 4 82, THIS WHOLE AREA, THE DIVIDER BETWEEN UNION PACIFIC, THE RAILROAD, RIGHT, THAT CLEAR LAND BARRIER BETWEEN THE EXISTING INDUSTRIAL THAT'S THERE AND WHAT COULD DEVELOP.
UM, I, I DID HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
YOU, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE COMMUNITY MEETING THAT YOU HELD.
WHAT WAS THE, I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE LIKE A HEAD COUNT OF WHO ALL CAME OR HOW MANY PE IN GENERAL? HOW MANY PEOPLE SHOWED UP TO THAT? I BELIEVE IT WAS THE RESIDENTIAL OWNERS TO THE LEFT OF THE PROPERTY, UHHUH,
AND THEN I, A SEPARATE EMPLOYEE WAS HOSTING THAT MEETING, BUT I KNOW THAT'S OKAY.
THOSE TWO AT LEAST WERE THERE.
WELL, I'LL, UM, OH, MR. OUTLAW.
YEAH, SORRY, I'VE GOTTA JUMP IN HERE ONE MORE TIME.
UM, YES, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE USES I POINTED OUT ARE PRE, ARE, ARE, ARE PREEXISTING AND, UM, AND, AND WHAT, WHAT IS ON THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW IS PREEXISTING AND ALONG.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU'RE SHAKING YOUR HEAD? HE SHOWED US A PHOTOGRAPH OF, OF SHOWED US A PHOTOGRAPH OF, OF EQUIPMENT AND STUFF PARKED THERE.
THE OWNERS ACTUALLY PURCHASED THAT PROPERTY, UM, NOT TOO LONG AGO, AND THEN THEY JUST STARTED PLACING THE EQUIPMENT WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S NOT A, UH, NON-CONFORMING USE.
IT'S, IT'S A ILLEGAL USE, I GUESS, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM.
UM, AND I'M SORRY, EMILY, WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT THE FUTURE VISION AND I SNICKERED AT YOU THAT THAT'S BEEN MY, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN BEATING THAT DRUM, I'VE BEEN BEATING THAT DRUM SINCE I'VE BEEN UP HERE AND I'VE, I'VE ASKED BEFORE WHO'S DRIVING THIS SHIP? THE CITY OR THE DEVELOPERS? OKAY.
WELL, RIGHT NOW I, I, I'D SAY IT'S NOT US, BUT, UM, THAT, THAT'S A DISCUSSION FOR ANOTHER DAY.
WELL, IF THERE'S NOBODY ELSE, I WILL, UH, ENTERTAIN MOTIONS.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, LET'S SEE, I WANNA MAKE SURE I FOR P-L-C-P-A 20 26 0 0 7 4 THAT WE RECOMMEND DENIAL.
THAT WAS A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MCMASTER, UH, TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF PL CPA 2 0 2 6 0 0 7 4.
SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ, THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTARY, PLEASE VOTE.
AND JUST FOR THE COMMISSIONERS, A YES VOTE IS IN SUPPORT OF THE DENIAL.
CAN WE PUBLISH THAT? THAT MOTION CARRIES.
[B. PLZC20260035 - Hold a public hearing and make a recommendation on a zone change request on approximately 2.1 acres of land from Pre-Development District (PRE) to General Business District-II (GB-2), known as 6615 FM 482, specifically known as Comal County Property Identification Numbers 428461 and 78974, City of Schertz, Comal County, Texas.]
2 0 2 6 3 5 HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND MAKE RECOMMENDATION ON A ZONE CHANGE REQUEST ON APPROXIMATELY 2.1 ACRES OF LAND FROM PRE-DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT TO GENERAL BISHOP, DISTRICT TWO GB TWO KNOWN AS 6 6 1 15 FM 4 82, SPECIFICALLY KNOWN AS COUNTY PROPERTY IDENTIFICATION NUMBERS 4 2 8 4 6 1 AND 7 8 9 7 4 CITY SHIRTS, COUNTY DAISY.A PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE FROM PRE-DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT TO GB TWO ON 2.1 ACRES OF LAND DAISY MARQUEZ SENIOR PLANNER.
HERE'S A SUBJECT PROPERTY OUTLINED IN YELLOW.
IT IS THE PROPERTY WE WERE JUST DISCUSSING IN, UM, THE PREVIOUS AGENDA ITEM.
IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED PRE-DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
IT HAS A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING IN OLDER COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS.
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42 RIGHT OF WAY.UM, BEYOND THAT AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT AND, UM, RURAL, UH, RESIDENCES TO THE SOUTH, WE HAVE THE RAILROAD TRACKS OWNED BY UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD TO THE EAST.
WE HAVE PRE-DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, UM, WITH PROPERTY STILL BEING USED AS RESIDENCES IN OLDER COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS.
AND THEN TO THE WEST WE HAVE THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING USED AS THE RESIDENCE.
AND THEN FARTHER ALONG WEST WE HAVE, UM, JOHN PAULO SECOND.
SO WE DID SEND OUT SEVEN PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES ON MAY 21ST FOR THE ZONE CHANGE WE DID, WE DID RECEIVE TO, UH, RESPONSES NEUTRAL.
THERE WERE CONCERNS WITH THE INDUSTRIAL USES THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED WITHIN THE GB TWO ZONING DISTRICT.
WE DID PUBLISH A PUBLIC HEARING NOTE.
I MEAN, A PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE WILL BE PUBLISHED IN THE SAN ANTONIO EXPRESS PRIOR TO THE CITY COUNCIL HEARING ASSIGNED WAS PLACED BY THE APPLICANT, AND THIS IS TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED FOR THE JULY 7TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
AGAIN, HERE'S THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED PRE-DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
IT'S TWO SEPARATE PARCELS, IT'S NOT PLATTED, AND THEY'RE PROPOSING GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT TWO FOR OFFICE WAREHOUSE.
AND THEN HERE IS JUST A SNIPPET OF THE DIMENSIONAL, UM, REQUIREMENTS AS PER ARTICLE FIVE.
AND AGAIN, AS YOU CAN SEE, PRE-DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT WAS QUITE LITERALLY MEANT AS A PLACEHOLDER, UH, FOR PROPERTIES THAT WERE ANNEXED TO THAT IF LATER ON THEY WANTED TO ZONE INTO SOMETHING ELSE, THEY CAN COME IN AND PROPOSE SOMETHING.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST, UM, A SHORT LIST OF SOME OF THE PERMITTED USES IN GB TWO.
THE FULL LIST IS AVAILABLE IN UDC SECTION 2158.
SO FOR ZONE CHANGES, WE LOOK AT THE CRITERIA LISTED IN UDC SECTION 2154 D.
AGAIN, THIS SUBJECT AREA IS DESIGNATED AS LOCAL CORRIDOR, WHICH IS INTENDED FOR COMMERCIAL AND ENTERTAINMENT ALONG MEDIUM TO HIGH VOLUME ROADS.
WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED TONIGHT OF GB TWO DOES NOT SUPPORT, IT IS NOT SUPPORTED BY THE LOCAL CORRIDOR FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION.
THE PROPOSED INDUSTRIAL HUB THAT THE APPLICANT WAS PROPOSING DOES SUPPORT GB TWO AND ITS PERMITTED USES, BUT ULTIMATELY THE PROPOSED GB TWO IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH AND IS NOT IN LINE WITH INTENTS OF LOCAL CORRIDOR.
AND THEN ENGINEERING DID REVIEW A TIA SUMMARY THAT WAS SENT BY THE APPLICANT AND THEY CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT THE ZONE CHANGE WILL INCREASE TRAFFIC, BUT THE IMPACT IS MINOR AND CAN BE MITIGATED BY OUR TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM AND IT WILL KEEP FUNCTIONING AT AN ACCEPTABLE LEVEL.
AND THEN I THEN AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE SHARED STRATEGIC PLAN, IT LISTS GOALS AND OBJECTIVES TO EFFECTIVELY PLAN AND MANAGE LAND USE.
AND AGAIN, ONE OF THE BIGGER THINGS IS TO MINIMIZE CONFLICT BETWEEN LAND USES.
AND ESSENTIALLY THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING AT WHEN IT COMES TO ZONE CHANGES.
AND ESSENTIALLY THE PROPOSED GB TWO ZONING AND THE USES THAT IT PERMITS WITHIN THAT ZONING DISTRICT AND EVEN WHAT IT WOULD PERMIT WITH THE APPROVED SPECIFIC USE PERMIT IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT'S ADJACENT AND IT WITHIN ITS IMMEDIATE AREA, UM, WHICH DOESN'T PROMOTE THE EFFECTIVE MANAGEMENT, UH, MANAGEMENT OF LAND USE.
AND THEN AGAIN, THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE IS NOT CONSISTENT OR APPROPRIATE WITH EXISTING USES IN THE AREA.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THE PROPERTY, UM, IDENTIFIED BY THE YELLOW STAR HERE.
AGAIN, EVEN AS EMILY STATED, THE, THE UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD ACTS AS THAT PHYSICAL BARRIER AND, SORRY, I TILTED THIS A BIT SO YOU CAN SEE IT MORE IN A LANDSCAPE TYPE OF VIEW.
UM, BUT ESSENTIALLY YOU COULD HAVE THIS LARGE RA PORTION OVER HERE THAT I WAS REFERENCING EARLY ON.
AND AGAIN, UM, THIS IS ALL OWNED BY THE SCHOOL.
THIS IS ZONE PUBLIC USE DISTRICT, AND THIS IS STILL THAT RURAL RESIDENTIAL THAT HASN'T CHANGED.
AND AGAIN, THE ZONE CHANGE DOES MEET THE UDC REQUIREMENTS AND IT WAS SENT TO FIRE POLICE AND EMS FOR REVIEW AND NO OBJECTIONS WERE PROVIDED.
AND STAFF RECOMMENDS JANELLE PLZC 20 26 0 0 3 5 DUE TO THE INCOMPATIBILITY WITH THE COMP PLAN AND THE USES PERMITTED IN THE PROPOSED ZONING DISTRICT.
UM, DID YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING? UM, YEAH, JUST FOR THIS.
THIS IS STILL THE SAME THING THAT I PRESENTED THE LAST CASE, JUST TO TRY TO RECOMMEND IT FOR GB TWO.
THAT'S THE, THE ONLY REASON FOR THE INDUSTRIAL HUB LAND PLAN AMENDMENT TO DO THAT.
BUT IF IT COULD BE DONE WITHOUT THE INDUSTRIAL HUB LAND PLAN CHANGE AS WELL, THEN THAT WOULD BE GOOD TOO, JUST FOR THE ZONE CHANGE AND NOT THAT, BUT FROM MY UNDERSTANDING FROM SHIRTS IS THAT THAT'S NOT ALLOWED, BUT THAT WOULD BE IT.
WHAT'S A PUBLIC HEARING AGAIN? SO, UH, IT IS 6 34.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT UP ONE MORE TIME.
JUST STATE YOUR NAME AGAIN, MARK.
FREEZING ON 22, 900 OLD NACODOCHES ROAD, UH, ON THE AGRICULTURAL PORTION RIGHT ACROSS FROM THAT.
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ON THIS IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER AND THAT WOULD BE A CONCERN OF MINE AS FAR AS, AND IT'S MY IGNORANCE IS NOT, I NEED TO GO BACK AND DOUBLE CHECK WHAT GB TWO ACTUALLY CAN DO AND MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IS GONNA BE DONE AT THE MOMENT, THAT'S ONE THING, BUT WHAT YOU KNOW, ABOUT FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, IF IT DOES GET SOLD TWO YEARS FROM NOW, YOU KNOW, IS IT GONNA BE AN ASPHALT MIXING, YOU KNOW, KIND OF BATCH PLANT? UM, THOSE KIND OF THINGS.SO I GUESS THAT WOULD BE MY CONCERN AS FAR AS THAT.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, FROM WHAT IT IS NOW AND WHAT IT'S BEING PROPOSED AT, BUT WHAT HAPPENS IF IT GETS SOLD AND I, I DO NEED TO CHECK THAT GENERAL BUS BUSINESS, UH, DISTRICT TWO TO SEE MORE, YOU KNOW, WHAT COULD BE USED AS.
SO ANYWAYS, THAT'S MY CONCERN.
ANYBODY ELSE GOING ONCE, TWICE? IT IS 6 35 AND WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS? COMMENTS, MR. ALLAH? OKAY, SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, UM, OUTDOOR STORAGE IS, UM, I DON'T WANT TO ASK THIS QUESTION.
IS G IS, IS, IS, IS OUTSOURCED.
I'VE GOT, I'VE GOT NEW TEETH AND I'M GETTING USED TO 'EM, BUT, UM, THOSE OUTDOOR STORAGE REQUIRE GB TWO ZONING.
OKAY, SO IT'S NOT ALLOWED IN GB ONE.
HOW ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE A, UM, UM, SELF STORAGE, UH, HOW, HOW, HOW WOULD THAT, WOULD THAT FIT NUMBER ONE, WOULD THAT FIT IN LOCAL CORRIDOR? I'M JUST CURIOUS.
THAT'S, THAT'S A CURIOSITY QUESTION.
SO WE HAVE TWO, WE HAVE THE MIXED USE SELF STORAGE THAT IS NEWER AND THEN WE HAVE THE REGULAR PUBLIC STORAGE.
ALRIGHT, THAT YOU THINK OF YOUR TYPICAL, SO IF I UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT I'VE READ AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD, UH, GB TWO IS INCOMPATIBLE OR WITH, UH, LOCAL CORRIDOR.
ANYBODY ELSE? DID YOU, YOU SHAKE YOUR HEAD YES TO HISS QUESTION? OH YEAH, THAT GB TWO IS NOT, NOT COMPATIBLE WITH LOCAL CORRIDOR.
ANYBODY ELSE? COMMISSIONER MCMASTER? NO.
UH, AND JUST FOR THE QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED, BATCH PLANTS, IT'S A, UM, LIGHT MANUFACTURING M TWO, CORRECT.
SO SPECIFIC CONCRETE BATCH USE PERMIT PLANTS REQUIRE AN APPROVED SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.
AND, UM, M TWO, SO THAT'S HEAVY MANUFACTURING.
YEAH, SO IT WOULDN'T, IT'D JUST BE FLAT OUT OKAY.
UM, WELL I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.
I'LL ENTERTAIN MOTIONS IF NOBODY ELSE DOES.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE RECOMMEND DISAPPROVAL OF PL LZ C 2 26 0 3 5.
COMMISSIONER GRADY ON THE SECOND.
SO THAT IS A, UH, MOTION TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF PLZC 2 0 2 6 0 0 3 5 5 BY COMMISSIONER MC MASTERS SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER GRADY.
CAN WE PUBLISH THAT? THAT MOTION CARRIES.
AND, UM, DAISY, THIS WILL STILL MOVE FORWARD TO JULY 7TH CITY COUNCIL, CORRECT? AWESOME.
ALRIGHT, WELL WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE
[A. PLPP20260120 Waiver - Consider and act upon a request for a waiver in relation to on-site sewer facilities for the Preliminary Plat of the Wood Subdivision, approximately 2.7 acres of land, known as 7530 FM 482, more specifically known as Comal County Property Identification Number 75337, City of Schertz, Comal County, Texas.]
ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.PL PPP 2 0 2 6 0 1 2 0 WAIVER.
CONSIDER AN ACT UPON A REQUEST FOR A WAIVER IN RELATION TO ONSITE SEW FACILITIES FOR THE PRELIMINARY PLOT OF THE WOOD SUBDIVISION, APPROXIMATELY 2.7 ACRES OF LAND KNOWN AS FM THREE, UH, F I'M SORRY, F KNOWN AS 7 5 3 0 FN 4 8 2, UH, MORE SPECIFICALLY KNOWN AS OMA COUNTY PROPERTY IDENTIFICATION NUMBER 7 5 3 3 7.
CITY INSUREDS, OMA COUNTY, TEXAS, GO.
HOW ARE YOU DOING? UH, PLPP 20 26 0 1 2 0.
THIS IS A WAIVER REQUEST FOR THE WOOD SUBDIVISION FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT.
UH, SCENE HERE IS A SUBJECT PROPERTY, UH, LIKE WE SAID, IT'S APPROXIMATELY 2.7 ACRES, UH, LOCATED ON THE NORTHWEST INTERSECTION OF FM 42 IN HUBERTUS ROAD.
UH, THIS IS DANVILLE MIDDLE SCHOOL, UM, IF THAT HELPS YOU GET ACQUAINTED.
UM, THESE, UH, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO PRELIMINARY PLAT AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO CONNECT AND EXTEND SEWER
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SERVICES, UM, ACCORDING TO SECTIONS 25 15 3 A AND D OF THE UDC.AND, UH, THIS APPLICATION IS A WAIVER TO THOSE TWO SECTIONS OF THE CODE, UH, SEEN.
HERE WE HAVE THE PROPOSED PRELIMINARY PLAT.
UH, THIS IS THE WAIVER REQUEST SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT AND HERE WE HAVE THE ENGINEERING MEMO PROVIDED BY OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT STATING THAT, UM, THE LOCAL, THE CLOSEST, UH, CONNECTION POINT TO SEWER IS 2,506 FEET AWAY.
UM, BUT THERE IS SOME PLAN DEVELOPMENT IN THE VICINITY, UH, THAT WILL BRING SEWER NEAR THIS PROPERTY.
UH, SO THE ENGINEERING MEMO STATES THAT THEY RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE WAIVER WITH THE CONDITION THAT ONCE SEWER DOES BECOME AVAILABLE AND THAT THEY CONNECT TO THAT AND, UM, CEASE THE OPERATION OF THEIR SEPTIC.
UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS ALIGNED WITH THAT.
WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITIONS, UH, THE CONDITION BEING THAT THE APPLICANT WILL CONNECT TO SEWER AND ABANDON THEIR OSSF, UH, WHEN THE SEWER BECOMES AVAILABLE TO THEM.
SO, UM, THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, SO WE'LL MOVE RIGHT INTO COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS.
WELL, I'M JUST GONNA JUMP IN HERE AND, UM, MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE PLPP 20 26 0 1 2 0 WAIVER WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE, UM, THE TENANT, UH, CONNECT TO SEWER ONCE IT IS AVAILABLE.
UH, WHEN, WHEN BECOMES AVAILABLE TO THEM, IS THERE A TIMEFRAME LIKE THEY HAVE 30 DAYS TO BEGIN IT OR A YEAR TO BEGIN IT OR WHEN TO IN FINISH IT? SO THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENTS WOULD WORK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER ON A REASONABLE TIMEFRAME.
IT WOULDN'T BE A, AN IMMEDIATE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CUTTING YOUR SEWER LINE TODAY, YOU GOTTA CONNECT.
THEY'D WORK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER FOR A REASONABLE TIMEFRAME, BUT THERE'S NOT A SPECIFIC, UM, AT LEAST WITHIN THE CONDITION THAT ENGINEERING STATED TIMEFRAME.
BUT THERE IS A PROCESS IN PLACE TO ENSURE THAT THEY ARE REASONABLE.
ANYBODY ELSE? ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? WELL, THERE WAS A MOTION, IT'S A MOTION TO APPROVE.
IT'S NOT OUR RECOMMENDATION, WE'RE JUST APPROVING IT.
PPP 2 0 2 6 0 1 2 0 WAIVER, UM, BY COMMISSIONER OUTLAW, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MCMASTER WITH THE CONDITIONS FROM ENGINEERING.
UH, CAN WE PLEASE PUBLISH THAT? THAT MOTION CARRIES.
[B. PLPP20260120 - Consider and act upon a request for approval of a Preliminary Plat of the Wood Subdivision, approximately 2.7 acres of land, known as 7530 FM 482, more specifically known as Comal County Property Identification Number 75337, City of Schertz, Comal County, Texas.]
2 0 2 6 0 1 2 0.CONSIDER AN ACT UPON A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF, OF A PRELIMINARY PLAT OF THE WOOD SUBDIVISION, APPROXIMATELY 2.7 ACRES OF LAND KNOWN AS 7 5 3 0 FM 4 82, MORE SPECIFICALLY KNOWN AS OMA COUNTY PROPERTY IDENTIFICATION NUMBER 7 5 3 3 7 CITY.
BRANDON, GOOD EVENING AGAIN, COMMISSIONERS.
UM, THIS IS PLPP 2 26 0 1 2 0.
THIS IS THE PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR THE, UH, WOOD SUBDIVISION THAT WE JUST DISCUSSED AT BRANDON ELLIOT PLANNER.
AGAIN, UH, HERE'S THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
UM, IT IS FRONTING FM 4 82 ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF 4 82 AND HUBERTUS ROAD.
AND THIS IS DANVILLE MIDDLE SCHOOL.
UM, ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER, UH, FOR YOUR REFERENCE, UH, THE PROPOSED PRELIMINARY PLAT WOULD BE ESTABLISHING ONE LOT IN ONE BLOCK AT APPROXIMATELY OR AT 2.69 ACRES.
UH, THE CURRENT ZONING IS M1 AND IT WOULD BE TAKING DIRECT ACCESS OFF FM 42.
IT'S CURRENTLY LOCATED IN THE CITY OF SHE SEWER, A CCN, AND UH, THERE'S AN EXISTING HOME ON SITE THAT'S ALREADY BEING SERVED BY AN OSSF.
AGAIN, HERE'S THE PRO, UH, PROPOSED PRELIMINARY PLAT AND THE PROPOSED PRELIMINARY PLAT IS GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE APPLICABLE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PROPERTY AND REGULATIONS.
THE PLAT HAS BEEN REVIEWED WITH NO OBJECTIONS BY THE ENGINEERING, FIRE AND PLANNING DEPARTMENTS, THEREFORE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAT AS PRESENTED.
UM, AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, SO WE'LL MOVE RIGHT INTO, UH, COMMISSIONER.
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? ANYBODY? MR. OUTLAW? UH, WOULD, WOULD YOU GO BACK TO YOUR, UM, UH, YOUR ZONING? THERE YOU GO.
SO, UM, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A, UM, A SINGLE FAMILY, UM, THERE NOW IT'S ACTUALLY ZONED M1, CORRECT? IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED M1, YES.
IS THAT NOT A, A PLA REQUIREMENT TO MEET THE EXISTING ZONING OR TO HAVE ZONING MATCH IT? NO.
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LOT ITSELF MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS, THE DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS, WHICH IT DOES.SO ESSENTIALLY THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL THAT'S THERE NOW, IT'S CONSIDERED LEGAL NON-CONFORMING, IT CAN REMAIN AND IT'S BOUND TO ARTICLE SEVEN OF THE UDC.
WELL, ANYBODY ELSE? NOW MOTIONS MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND OR TO APPROVE PLP 2 0 2 6 0 1 2 0.
THAT IS A MOTION TO REC TO NOT RECOMMEND APPROVE P LPP 2 0 2 6 0 1 2 0.
UH, BY COMMISSIONER MCMASTER, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER OUTLAW.
THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS, PLEASE VOTE.
CAN WE PUBLISH THAT? THAT MOTION CARRIES.
[C. PLVAR20260129 Sign Waiver- Consider and act upon a request for a waiver in relation to a freestanding ground sign on Lot 7, Block 1 of the Schertz Station Subdivision, approximately 3.04 acres of land located at 18406 IH 35 N, more specifically known as Guadalupe County Property Identification Number 203794, City of Schertz, Texas. ]
P-L-V-A-R 2 0 2 6 0 1 2 9 SIGN WAIVER.CONSIDER AND ACT UPON A REQUEST FOR A WAIVER IN RELATION TO A FREESTANDING GROUND SIGN ON LOT SEVEN BLOCK ONE OF THE SHIRT STATION SUBDIVISION, APPROXIMATELY 3.04 ACRES OF LAND LOCATED AT 1 8 4 0 6 IH 35 NORTH OR SPECIFICALLY KNOWN AS GUADALUPE COUNTY PRIVATE IDENTIFICATION NUMBER 2 0 3 7 9 4 CITY SHIRTS, TEXAS, EMILY, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.
IT IS A SIGN WAIVER REQUEST FOR SHIRT STATION LOT SEVEN BLOCK ONE.
EMILY DELGADO, PLANNING MANAGER.
SO HERE IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY OUTLINED IN YELLOW.
YOU CAN SEE IT'S AT THE HARD CORNER OF BLO VALLEY DRIVE AND IH 35 AND NORTHERN SHIRTS IN THAT SHIRT STATION.
LARGER DEVELOPMENT, IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED PDD AS PART OF THAT SHIRT STATION DEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED FREESTANDING GROUND SIGN THAT IS BEING PROPOSED FOR LOT SEVEN BLOCK ONE.
IT IS 35 FEET TALL, 13 FEET SIX INCHES WIDE FOR A TOTAL AREA OF 472.5 SQUARE FEET.
HERE IS THAT APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED SIGNAGE.
SO IT WOULD BE LOCATED AGAIN ON THAT HARD CORNER OF 35 AND SOLOW VALLEY.
SO SOME BACKGROUND IN ARTICLE 11.
SIGN CODE AMENDMENT WAS COMPLETED IN JUNE OF 2025 AND ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL AND AS PART OF THAT OVERALL ARTICLE 11 AMENDMENT, A NEW SECTION WAS CREATED GRANTING WAIVER AUTHORITY TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT FOR THE WAIVER REQUEST.
AND SPECIFICALLY THIS WAIVER IS FOR A PROPOSED SIGN THAT EXCEEDS THE MAXIMUM AREA FOR A FREESTANDING GROUND SIGN.
SO YOU MAY BE THINKING DEJA VU, WE'VE LOOKED AT A SIGN FOR LOT SEVEN BLOCK ONE BEFORE.
SO WE DID AT THE APRIL 1ST, 2026 PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING, THERE WAS A WAIVER REQUEST SPECIFICALLY FOR LOT SEVEN.
AT THAT TIME THEY WERE REQUESTING TWO WAIVERS, ONE FOR THE MAXIMUM AREA TO EXCEED THE 250 THAT'S ALLOWABLE AND AN ADDITIONAL WAIVER FOR AN OFF-PREMISE SIGN AT THAT APRIL 1ST MEETING, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION APPROVED THEIR ABILITY TO HAVE AN OFF-PREMISE SIGN.
SO REMEMBER THAT'S THEIR UM, ABILITY TO HAVE BUSINESSES NOT LOCATED ON LOT SEVEN TO ADVERTISE ON LOT SEVEN.
SO THE HOME DEPOT THAT'S IN THE REAR CAN ADVERTISE ON THAT LOT SEVEN SIGN, BUT IT WAS DENIED TO HAVE THAT MAXIMUM AREA INCREASE.
THAT'S KIND OF MORE OF THAT PLANNING.
ZONING COMMISSION ALLOWED THAT OFF-PREMISE SIGN BUT DID NOT DETERMINE THAT THERE WAS THE NECESSITY TO HAVE INCREASED SIGNAGE PAST THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE.
SO THE REQUIREMENT CURRENTLY WITHIN THE UDC PERMITS A FREE STANDING SIGN ON IH 35 TO HAVE A MAXIMUM AREA OF 250 SQUARE FEET.
THE CURRENT PROPOSAL IS FOR 472.5 SQUARE FEET, AGAIN 35 BY 13 FEET SIX INCHES, WHICH DOES EXCEED THAT MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE Y 222.5 SQUARE FEET.
WHEN WE LOOK AT SIGN WAIVERS WITHIN THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, WE LOOK AT 21 11 15 B FOR THE CONSIDERATIONS FOR APPROVAL.
THE FIRST BEING IS THE NATURE OF THE PROPOSED USE OF LAND INVOLVED.
SO THIS LOT IS PART OF THAT OVERALL SHIRT STATION PDD, WHICH AGAIN IS A MIX OF RETAIL, COMMERCIAL RESTAURANTS.
AND THEN UM, THE COLLECTION AT SHIRT STATION, THE MULTIFAMILY IN THE REAR, NO UDC SIGNED DEVIATIONS WERE PROPOSED AS PART OF THAT PDD AMENDMENT.
UM, WHICH AGAIN DURING THAT DESIGN STANDARDS REVIEW, THE PDD APPROVAL PROCESS, THEY COULD HAVE REQUESTED DEVIATIONS AND ASK FOR LARGER SIGNAGE AT THAT TIME.
WE ALSO LOOK AT THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY IN RELATION TO ROADWAY CLASSIFICATION.
SO AGAIN, THIS PROPERTY IS ON IH 35 AND SI VALLEY DRIVE PER THE APPLICANT'S JUSTIFICATION.
THE WAIVER IS NEEDED AND THE INCREASED SIGNAGE IS NEEDED DUE TO VARYING ELEVATION AND VERTICAL GRADE CHANGES ALONG IH 35.
THE INCREASED SIGN AREA IS NECESSARY TO IMPROVE VISIBILITY FOR THE SHIRT
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STATION DEVELOPMENT AND ITS NATIONAL CREDIT TENANTS WHILE MAINTAINING COMPLIANCE WITH ALL HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS.SO AGAIN, THE PER THE UDC, THEY CAN HAVE A SIGN THAT'S UP TO 50 FEET IN HEIGHT.
THEY ARE PROPOSING A SHORTER SIGN BUT AGAIN THE AREA, THE OVERALL AREA OF THE SIGN EXCEEDS.
THEY ALSO STATED THAT THE INCREASED AREA IS NECESSARY TO ADDRESS LIMITED INTERSTATE VISIBILITY CAUSING CAUSED BY VARYING ELEVATION AND GRADE CHANGES ALONG IH 30 35.
WHEN STAFF EVALUATED UM, THE REQUEST AND THE JUSTIFICATION, WE DO NOT FEEL THAT THIS SITE JUSTIFIES OR WARRANTS THAT ADDITIONAL 225, 222 0.5 SQUARE FEET OF SIGNAGE.
AND THEN I WANTED TO REMIND YOU THAT LOT SIX IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THIS LOT THEY HAVE A FREESTANDING GROUND SIGN THAT MET ALL OF THE UDC REQUIREMENTS.
AND THEN ANOTHER THING TO NOTE THAT SINCE THIS LOT IS ON A HARD CORNER, THEY WOULD BE PERMITTED TO HAVE THREE FREESTANDING GROUND SIGNS ON JUST LOT SEVEN ALONE.
WE ALSO LOOK AT THE EXISTING LAND USES IN THE VICINITY.
SO AGAIN, ALL OF THE LAND THAT SURROUNDS THEM BESIDES THE RIGHT OF WAY IS WITHIN THE SHIRT STATION DEVELOPMENT IS DESIGNED TO BE RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL LOT SEVEN SPECIFICALLY HAS TWO MULTI-TENANT BUILDINGS THAT ARE CURRENTLY OCCUPIED, UM, WITH PANERA KAVA, JAMES AVERY.
THAT'S GONNA OPEN SOON MULTIPLE OTHER ADDITIONAL BUSINESSES THAT ARE IN THE TENANT FINISH OUT PROCESS.
THE FIRST BEING GRANTING THE WAIVER WILL NOT BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH SAFETY OR WELFARE OR INJURIOUS TO OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE AREA.
SO ONE OF THE CITY ASSURES CORE VALUES IS DOING THE RIGHT THING.
THE PROPOSED SIGNAGE DOES NOT PROMOTE THE CORE VALUE OF DOING THE RIGHT THING TO OTHER PROPERTIES ALONG IH 35 THAT HAVE MET THOSE UDC REQUIREMENTS FOR SIGNAGE FOR THEIR BUSINESS.
SPECIFICALLY CITY COUNCIL ADOPTED THE UDC AMENDMENT IN JUNE OF 2025, WHICH ACTUALLY ALLOWED GREATER FLEXIBILITY AND INCREASED SIGNAGE FROM WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY PERMITTED PRIOR TO THAT UDC AMENDMENT, THIS WOULD'VE BEEN CLASSIFIED AS A MULTI-TENANT SIGN WHICH WOULD'VE HAD A MAXIMUM AREA OF 150 SQUARE FEET.
SO JUST THE UDC AMENDMENT IN JUNE OF 2025 ALLOWED THEM AN ADDITIONAL A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET RIGHT OFF THE BAT.
WE WOULD ALSO STATE THAT THIS SIGN COULD BE INJURIOUS TO OTHER PROPERTY IN THE AREA IN RELATION TO THE VISIBILITY OF OTHER PROPERTIES ALONG IH 35 INS VALLEY DRIVE AND SPEAKING WITH THE APPLICANT, THEY ARE INTENDING TO HAVE FREESTANDING OR GROUND SIGNS MONUMENT SIGNS ON EVERY SINGLE LOT THAT FRONTS IH 35.
SO THAT WOULD BE A TOTAL OF AT LEAST SEVEN FREESTANDING GROUND SIGNS ALONG IH 35.
CURRENTLY THEY HAVE THE SIGNS THAT THEY DO HAVE DO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS.
THIS SIGN SPECIFICALLY IS JUST ASKING FOR THE INCREASED AREA, BUT I WANTED TO KIND OF THE BIGGER PICTURE ALONG SHIRT STATION AND IH 35, THEY ARE INTENDING TO HAVE SEVEN SIGNS.
SO THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY UNIQUE IN LOCATION IN RELATION TO OTHER PROPERTIES LOCATED ALONG IH 35, THE UDC ARTICLE 11 IS IN PLACE TO ENSURE COHESIVE DEVELOPMENT FOR ALL PROPERTIES.
AND AGAIN, THAT SAME REQUIREMENT THAT WOULD BE APPLICABLE FOR IH 35 WOULD ALSO BE APPLICABLE FOR PROPERTIES ON IH 10 AS WELL.
GRANTING THE WAIVER AS REQUESTED BY THE, THE APPLICANT IS AN INCONSISTENT INTERPRETATION OF THAT UDC THAT FAVORS ONE SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT OVER OTHER DEVELOPMENTS AS STAFF DOES NOT FEEL THAT THERE IS ADEQUATE JUSTIFICATION BASED OFF OF VERTICAL GRAIN CHANGES OR THE NATURE.
SO SOME OTHER CONSIDERATIONS, AGAIN JUST REMINDING EVERYBODY THAT WITH THAT UDC AMENDMENT THEY ARE ALLOWED INCREASED SIGNAGE ALREADY.
AND THEN SO GOING BACK TO THAT APRIL MEETING.
SO AT THAT TIME THEY DID REQUEST A 40 FOOT TALL 19 FOOT WIDE SIGN THAT WAS 760 SQUARE FEET IN AREA.
SO THEY DID DECREASE THAT SIGNAGE TO THE PROPOSED 472.5 SQUARE FEET.
WITH THAT SAME VARYING ELEVATION IN VERTICAL GRADE CHANGES, A REDUCTION OF 287.5 SQUARE FEET WAS ABLE TO BE MADE WITH THAT CONSIDERATION.
STAFF IS UNCLEAR ON WHY IF THAT SAME VERTICAL GRADE, THE VERTICAL GRADE OF I 35 HAS NOT CHANGED BETWEEN APRIL AND NOW.
HOW THAT DRASTIC OF A CHANGE COULD BE MADE BUT NOT JUST BEING ABLE TO MEET THE 250 THAT'S REQUIRED.
AND THEN A LITTLE BIT OF, UM, MY SOAPBOX IF YOU WILL.
IF PNZ, THE CITY COUNCIL FEELS THAT THIS WAIVER IS APPROPRIATE, THAT WE SHOULD HAVE LARGER SIGNAGE, THEN STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND DOING A FULL UDC AMENDMENT FOR FREESTANDING SIGNS ON 35 AND I 10.
IF WE FEEL THAT LARGER SIGNAGE NEEDS TO BE PERMITTED, THEN WE SHOULD ALLOW THAT FOR ALL BUSINESSES ON 35 AND 10.
SO BASED ON STAFF'S EVALUATION OF THE REQUEST, THE SITE AND THE WAIVER JUSTIFICATION SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING DENIAL OF THE REQUESTED
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WAIVER FOR INCREASED MAXIMUM AREA OF A FREESTANDING GROUND SIGN.AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO MAKE A PRESENTATION AS WELL.
OKAY, UM, BRITTANY CHRISTIE, I AM THE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT WITH MERRICK COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE AND I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT SHIRT STATION.
AGAIN, I SAW ALMOST ALL OF YOU MAYBE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF YOU COMMISSIONER HECTOR.
UM, SO IN STAFF'S PRESENTATION, SHE'S CORRECT.
WE MISSED THE APPEAL DEADLINE AFTER OUR LAST P AND C MEETING, BUT WITH GOOD REASON.
UM, SINCE WE LAST MET, WE TOOK YOUR FEEDBACK, WE REVIEWED IT IN DETAIL, WE RE-ENGAGED OUR SIGNED CONSULTANT AND I'M HOPING THIS HELPS ANSWER ONE OF UM, EMILY'S QUESTIONS AND STAFF'S QUESTIONS.
UM, BUT WE REENGAGED OUR SIGNAGE CONSULTANT.
WE HAD THEM REDO THEIR VISIBILITY ANALYSIS.
WE REVIEWED IT IN GREATER DETAIL JUST TO BETTER UNDERSTAND VISIBILITY CONSTRAINTS RELATIVE TO, UM, ROADWAY CONDITIONS, TRAFFIC VIEWING DISTANCES, BUILDING PLACEMENT, TENANT PLACEMENT, UM, AND THE ABILITY FOR MOTORISTS TO VIEW SIGNAGE AND THE SITE FROM A REASONABLE DISTANCE AND MAKE GOOD SAFETY DRIVING DECISIONS.
UM, THE TIME IN THE EVALUATION WAS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.
UM, UM, THE LAST THING THAT WE WANTED TO DO WAS EITHER APPEAL AND GO TO CITY COUNCIL OR COME BACK TO YOU GUYS LIKE WE ARE HERE TODAY WAS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER, UM, AN OVER ASK BASED OFF OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT FROM YOU GUYS LAST, UM, MEETING.
SO, UH, WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM, AND EMILY DID A REALLY GOOD JOB OF GENERALLY DESCRIBING THE PROJECT AS A WHOLE AND ALL OF YOU WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ONE OF YOU HEARD MY SPIEL LAST TIME.
UM, BUT SHIRT STATION IS A 72 ACRE MASTER PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
SO WE ARE HERE REPRESENTING THE COMMERCIAL, BUT THERE IT'S A PARTNERSHIP WITH, UM, EMRY DEVELOPMENT ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE COLLECTION AT SHIRT STATION, THERE'S 300 BUILD TO RENT UNITS.
UM, AND THEN IT IS LOCATED ALONG SYLA VALLEY DRIVE AND IH 35, WHICH IH 35 IS ONE OF THE HEAVILY, MOST HEAVILY TRAFFICKED CORRIDORS IN TEXAS.
AS WE ALL KNOW, WE SEND TRAFFIC ON IT ALL THE TIME.
UM, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN HERE.
SO THE PROPOSED PYLON LOCATION THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY IS LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF CILLO VALLEY DRIVE AND INTERSTATE 35.
UM, EMILY MENTIONED THAT THERE ARE SEVEN PROPOSED SIGNAGE OPPORTUNITIES ALONG, UH, OR ACROSS THE 30 PLUS ACRE SHIRT STATION PROJECT AND 10 COMMERCIAL LOTS.
THERE ARE THREE EXISTING SIGNS.
UM, ON SITE TODAY ON LOT FIVE THERE'S AN EXISTING MULTI-TENANT SIGN SERVICING ALL MULTI-TENANT ALL TENANTS IN THAT MULTI-TENANT BUILDING ON LOT FIVE, THERE'S A SIGN LOCATED ON LOT SIX SERVICING THE LOT SIX MULTI-TENANT BUILDING IN THOSE TENANTS AND LOT SEVEN AND BOTH LOT SEVEN MULTI-TENANT BUILDINGS, UM, AND ALL OF THOSE TENANTS.
AND THEN THERE'S A SIGN LOCATED ON LOT EIGHT SERVICING THE LOT EIGHT MULTI-TENANT BUILDING IN THOSE TENANTS AND IT WILL SERVE THE FUTURE TENANTS OFF OF LOT 14 AND 15, UM, AT A FUTURE DATE.
AND THEN YOU SEE THERE ARE THREE PROPOSED FUTURE SIGNS ON LOT TWO, LOT THREE AND LOT FOUR THAT COULD END UP BEING A SINGLE TENANT SIGN OR A MULTI-TENANT SIGN JUST REALLY DEPENDING ON HOW THE SITE PLAN PLAYS OUT, UM, ALL OF WHICH IS PERMITTED WITHIN CODE.
UM, EMILY MENTIONED IT, BUT I'M GONNA JUST REITERATE AND REMIND EVERYBODY THAT YES, PER CODE TODAY FOR LOT SEVEN FOR EXAMPLE, WE COULD HAVE A SIGN LOCATED ALONG ALL PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS WE COULD HAVE A SIGN ALONG INTERSTATE 35 ALONG SYLA VALLEY DRIVE AND ALONG STATION ROAD, WHICH IS ALSO A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
INSTEAD OF LITTERING THE SITE WITH SIGNAGE THAT MIGHT BE UNNECESSARY.
WE'VE DECIDED TO CONSOLIDATE OUR REQUEST INTO ONE SINGLE PROPOSED PYLON SIGN THAT HAS BETTER VISIBILITY OFF OF INTERSTATE 35 THAT SERVICES OUR ANCHOR TENANTS, WHICH ARE THOSE TENANTS THAT ARE SIT INTERIOR TO THE SITE.
HOME DEPOT BEING A GOOD EXAMPLE.
CRUNCHED FITNESS SOON TO BE A GOOD EXAMPLE.
AND THEN FUTURE TENANTS THAT ARE INTERIOR TO THE SITE WILL BE DISPLAYED ON THIS PYLON SIGN.
OKAY, SO IN OUR LAST MEETING WE PROPOSED, UM, THE SIGN ON THE LEFT, LIKE I SAID, WENT THROUGH, I RE-WATCHED OUR UM, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
WE DID THE BEST THAT WE COULD BY RE-ENGAGING OUR SIGN CONSULTANT, HAVING THEM RERUN THEIR VISIBILITY ANALYSIS.
I MEAN THEY'RE ANALYZING EVERYTHING FROM TRAFFIC SPEEDS, VIEWING DISTANCES FROM 35.
LIKE, UM, IT'S IMPORTANT NOT ONLY FOR TENANT VISIBILITY, BUT SAFETY CONCERNS.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT EVERYTHING WE DID THAT WE TOOK THE TIME TO DO THAT.
UM, AND WE WERE ABLE TO FEEL COMFORTABLE REDUCING THE SIZE OF THE SIGN
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IN GOOD FAITH TO TRY TO MEET THE CITY, YOU KNOW, IN THE MIDDLE IF NOT FURTHER THAN THAT.UM, MAINTAINING VISIBILITY FOR OUR TENANTS AND TO 35, UM, BUT ALSO TRYING TO GET AS CLOSE AS WE COULD TO A CODE COMPLIANCE SIGN AND STILL ACCOMPLISHING BOTH GOALS.
UM, SO WE'VE FELT THAT THIS KIND OF MET IN THE MIDDLE.
UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT ALSO TO NOTICE THAT THE, OR JUST TO NOTE THAT THE REQUESTED VARIANCE REALLY, IT IT'S DRIVEN BY MULTIPLE THINGS.
NOT ONLY IS IT THE ELEVATION AND GRADE CHANGE, BUT I'LL GET INTO IN A MOMENT, BUT ALSO JUST GENERALLY HOW THE CITY'S CALCULATING, UM, ALLOWABLE SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR SIGNAGE.
SO NOT, THEY NOT ONLY INCLUDE STRUCTURE ARCHITECTURAL COMPONENTS, UM, WHAT I WOULD CALL PROJECT IDENTIFICATION FEATURES LIKE THE SHIRT STATION AT THE TOP OF THE SIGN.
IF I FLIP BACK, UM, THOSE ARE ALL CALCULATED INTO THE OVERALL SQUARE FOOTAGE.
SO 35 BY, I MEAN 35 BY 13 SIX, YOU GET 472 AND A HALF SQUARE FEET.
UM, BUT IF YOU'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE TENANT ADVERTISABLE SPACE, THE TENANT PANELS, WE ARE WITHIN THE ALLOWABLE SQUARE FOOTAGE, JUST AS A POINT.
UM, THE PROJECT NAME SHIRTS STATION.
SO THAT WAS INTENTIONALLY SELECTED AS A WAY TO PROMOTE THE CITY OF SHIRTS AS A PREMIER RETAIL DESTINATION ALONG 35.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE PROPOSED SIGN THAT WE PREVIOUSLY BROUGHT, HAD SHIRT STATION ALONG THE SIDE OF THE SIGN THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER EXISTING SIGNS ON SITES.
SO WE WERE KIND OF RUNNING WITH THE SAME COHESIVE DESIGN HERE.
INSTEAD, WE HAVE OPTED TO MOVE SHIRT STATION TO THE TOP OF THE SIGN, DECREASE THE SIZE OF THE WIDTH OF THE PANELS AND THE SIGN IN GENERAL.
UM, WHAT THAT ALSO DOES IS IT PLACES SHIRTS AT THE VERY TOP OF THE SIGN, WHICH IS THE HIGHEST AND BEST VISIBILITY, UM, OFF OF THE IH 35 CORRIDOR.
I THINK THAT THIS REVISED DESIGN NOT ONLY SERVICES, THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE TENANTS, BUT IT ALSO SERVICES THE CITY, UM, AS A REPRESENTING COMMUNITY IDENTITY PLACEMAKING AND JUST RECOGNITION THAT SHIRTS IS A REGIONAL RETAIL DESTINATION.
SO THROUGH OUR DESIGN PROCESS, UM, AND REVIEWING OF OUR VISIBILITY CONSTRAINTS, A STRICTLY CODE COMPLIANCE SIGN WOULD REQUIRE MAXIMIZING TENANT ADVERTISING PANELS WHILE MINIMIZING ANY KIND OF ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES OR, UM, PLACEMAKING ELEMENTS.
UM, SO THE RESULT WOULD BE A SIGN FOCUSED ENTIRELY ON TENANT LOGOS, UM, WITH LITTLE OPPORTUNITY FOR ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES, PROJECT BRANDING, ET CETERA.
THESE ATTACH EXAMPLES, UM, ARE JUST TO GIVE YOU GUYS AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE, UM, TO MEET THE CODE REQUIREMENT NUMERICALLY WHILE LIMITING ANY KIND OF AESTHETIC VALUE, UM, PROJECT BRANDING, PLACEMAKING, ET CETERA.
SO, SUCH SIGNS LIKE THIS, THEY PRIORITIZE TENANT PANELS OVER, UM, ANY KIND OF ARCHITECTURAL VALUE THAT MIGHT BE OFFERED TO THE PROJECT.
UM, IF YOU WERE TO CALCULATE ONLY THE TRUE ADVERTISABLE SQUARE FOOTAGE, LIKE I MENTIONED AND REMIND YOU GUYS, WE WOULD BE WITHIN CODE.
UM, EMILY TOUCHED AND HER TOUCHED ON IN HER STAFF REPORT, THE PDD PROCESS.
UM, I DIDN'T GET TO TOUCH ON THIS IN OUR LAST, UM, MEETING, SO I WANNA MAKE IT REALLY CLEAR THAT, UM, WHILE THAT IS TRUE, THE PDD PROCESS, UM, AND THAT THAT'S ON THE FRONT END DURING ENTITLEMENTS AND ZONING ON A PROJECT WHERE YOU HAVE A CONCEPTUAL UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THE PROJECT, BUT YOU ARE NOT UNDER DESIGN, YOU'RE JUST GETTING STARTED, AND THAT THAT DOES PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY, SHE'S ABSOLUTELY CORRECT FOR YOU TO BRING UP AND IDENTIFY AREAS WHERE YOU MIGHT NEED TO, UM, DEFER FROM CODE.
UM, AND YOU DOCUMENT THAT IN YOUR PDD, BUT TO BE VERY CLEAR, IT IS DISCRETIONARY.
WHILE WE CAN GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS, IT STILL GOES BEFORE PNC, IT STILL GOES BEFORE CITY COUNCIL, JUST LIKE MY WAIVER REQUEST IS TODAY, IT PIECES OF IT OR ALL OF IT CAN BE DENIED.
SO IT, IT'S REALLY AN ITERATIVE PROCESS.
UM, WE DID NOT UNDERSTAND THE TRUE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT OR THE, UM, SIGN NEEDS AT THAT TIME, SO THAT'S WHY IT WASN'T INCLUDED IN THE PDD, AND THAT'S WHY I'M HERE PRESENTING A WAIVER REQUEST IN LIEU OF THAT OPTION.
UM, BUT THROUGH THAT ZONING PROCESS, WE HAVE REPRESENTED TO THE CITY, WE HAVE REPRESENTED TO THE COMMUNITY, THAT SHIRT STATION WOULD BE A PROJECT THAT WAS HIGH QUALITY.
UM, WE WERE TO BE USING, UM, BETTER BUILDING MATERIALS, UM, AND ELEVATED DESIGN, THOUGHTFUL LANDSCAPING, UM, SUCH DESIGN THAT YOU WOULDN'T SEE AT THE TYPICAL SHOPPING CENTER, RIGHT? UM, AND THAT COMMITMENT EXTENDS TO SIGNAGE.
AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO DELIVER ON THAT PROMISE THAT WE GAVE TO THE CITY AND TO, UM, THE COMMUNITY.
SO I THINK THE QUESTION REALLY ISN'T CAN WE BUILD A CODE COMPLIANT SIGN? WE CAN.
WE HAVE, I THINK THE QUESTION REALLY IS WHETHER THE CITY WOULD RATHER
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HAVE A SIGN THAT IS CODE COMPLIANT AND IT MAXIMIZES TENANT LOGOS OR ONE THAT COMBINES SIGNAGE, VISIBILITY, ARCHITECTURAL QUALITY, AND COMMUNITY IDENTITY.SO, SO AGAIN, STAFF REPORT TOUCHED ON, UM, ONE OF OUR JUSTIFICATIONS, WHICH REALLY IS THE ELEVATION AND GRADE CHANGE BETWEEN 35 AND THE SHIRT STATION PROJECT.
UM, AS A REMINDER, LOT SEVEN, WHICH IS WHERE THE PILOT AND SIGN IS LOCATED, AND IH 35, HAVE AN APPROXIMATE GRADE CHANGE OF 18 FEET.
WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT THE HIGHWAY IS ABOUT 18 FEET LOWER THAN THE SHIRT STATION SITE, MAKING IT NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO VIEW THE SITE.
UM, AND THEREFORE SIGNAGE, UM, TO BETTER ILLUSTRATE, UH, WITHOUT JUST TAKING YOU ALL FOR A DRIVE, UM, THE GOOGLE EARTH IMAGE HERE REPRESENTS, UM, MIDDLE OF THE HIGHWAY DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE SHIRT STATION SITE.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A VERY SIGNIFICANT GRADE CHANGE.
UM, SO I POLITELY DISAGREE THAT THAT'S NOT A SITE CONSTRAINT.
IT'S VERY OBVIOUS IF ANYONE HAS DRIVEN ON 35 DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THIS LOCATION.
AND THAT GRADE CHANGE EXISTS NOT JUST DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE SIGN, BUT FOR A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE SHORT STATION, UM, PROJECT.
SO FINALLY, I'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE SIGNAGE EXAMPLES FOR DIFFERENT REASONS.
SO THE CITY STAFF REPORT, UM, REFERENCED THE CITY OF SHORTS BILLBOARD, AND THEY PRESENTED THIS, UH, FOR A SIZE COMPARISON TO YOU ALL.
RESPECTFULLY, WE DON'T BELIEVE THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE BENCHMARK FOR EVALUATING OUR PROPOSED SIGN FROM BOTH A DESIGN AND A SCALE PERSPECTIVE.
UM, AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE SIGNAGE SIZE REGULATIONS THAT WE'RE, UM, BEING EXPECTED TO COMPLY WITH, I MEAN, THIS LIKE CLEARLY EXCEEDS, SO I I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S A REALLY GOOD REPRESENTATION.
UM, THE NEXT EXAMPLE IS THE FORUM.
THIS IS ONE OF TWO PYLON SIGNS SERVING THE FORUM.
UM, DURING OUR PREVIOUS MEETING, IT WAS BROUGHT UP THAT HOME DEPOT WAS NOT BEING ADVERTISED ON PYLONS AT THE FORUM.
UM, IT'S, THEY'RE CLEARLY BEING ADVERTISED PROMINENTLY AT THE TOP OF TWO PYLON SIGNS ALONG THE HIGHWAY.
UM, THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH INDUSTRY STANDARDS ACROSS RETAIL DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT? ANCHOR TENANTS ARE AFFORDED BETTER VISIBILITY ON PYLON SIGNS BECAUSE THEY ARE TYPICALLY SITUATED TO THE REAR OF THE PROJECT AND DO NOT HAVE VISIBILITY TO 35 FROM A SIGNAGE PERSPECTIVE.
UM, THIRD EXAMPLE IS CREEKSIDE AND NEW BRAUNFELS.
THIS IS JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF A LARGE COMMERCIAL POWER CENTER SHOPPING CENTER THAT, UM, REPRESENTS ANCHOR TENANTS ON THEIR PINE LAWN SIGNAGE WHO DO NOT HAVE DIRECT VISIBILITY TO THE HIGHWAY IN MOST INSTANCES.
UM, IT JUST AGAIN, REFLECTS A COMMON RETAIL PRACTICE, UM, FOR SHOPPING CENTERS OF THIS SIZE, UM, WHERE THEY AFFORD THE ANCHOR TENANTS WHO ARE THE, UM, TRAFFIC GENERATORS TO THE PROJECT, THE HIGHEST AND BEST VISIBILITY ON SIGNAGE.
LASTLY, WE INCLUDED THE SHOPS AT CIVIL EVENT.
SO THIS IS A, UH, PYLON SIGN THAT IS NOTABLY LARGER THAN THE SIGN WE ARE REQUESTING TODAY JUST DOWN THE ROAD FROM OUR PROJECT.
WHILE I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS IN THE CITY OF SHIRTS AND THAT PARTICULAR SIGN IS LOCATED IN THE CITY OF CILLO, I THINK IT'S IMPRACTICAL FOR US TO JUST DISREGARD IT AS A DIRECT COMPARISON FROM AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT.
SO CONSUMERS DO NOT DISTINGUISH BETWEEN MUNICIPAL BOUNDARIES WHEN THEY'RE CHOOSING WHERE TO SHOP, WHERE TO DINE, AND WHERE TO SPEND THEIR MONEY.
UM, NEARBY RETAIL DEVELOPMENTS ARE IN COMPETITION WITH EACH OTHER FOR CONSUMERS, FOR TENANTS, FOR INVESTMENT, FOR DOLLARS, REGARDLESS OF THE JURISDICTION.
UM, AS SUCH DEVELOPMENTS PROVIDE, UM, RELEVANT CONTEXT WHEN EVALUATING VISIBILITY.
THIS PROVIDES RELEVANT CONTEXT WHEN YOU ARE EVALUATING VISIBILITY CONSTRAINTS IN COMPARISON WITH OTHER PROJECTS.
IN OUR LAST MEETING, A GOOD POINT WAS BROUGHT UP RELATIVE TO WHY SIGNAGE VISIBILITY STILL MATTERS WHEN PEOPLE ARE UTILIZING THEIR GPS TO FIND LOCATIONS.
I WOULD SAY THAT GPS MAY DIRECT USERS TO A SPECIFIC PROPERTY OR TO A SPECIFIC ADDRESS, BUT IT DOES NOT PROVIDE ADEQUATE REAL-TIME IDENTIFICATION OF SPECIFIC BUSINESSES WITHIN A SHOPPING CENTER.
VISITORS, CUSTOMERS, DELIVERY DRIVERS, EMERGENCY RESPONDERS, ALL UTILIZE SIGNAGE AS A CONFIRMATION THAT THEY HAVE IN FACT ARRIVED AT THE CORRECT LOCATION.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, OUR VISIBILITY ANALYSIS, LIKE I SAID, WE WENT BACK THROUGH IT, IT PROVED THAT ADEQUATELY SIZED SIGNAGE OR INADEQUATELY SIZED SIGNAGE ALLOWS MOTORISTS TO IDENTIFY DESTINATIONS WITH A REASONABLE, UM, PERIOD OF TIME THAT ALLOWS 'EM TO MAKE SAFE DRIVING DECISIONS.
SO WHEN SIGNAGE IS UNDERSIZED,
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UM, RELATIVE TO ROADWAY SPEED OR TRAFFIC VOLUMES OR SETBACK DISTANCES, DRIVERS ARE MORE LIKELY TO MAKE ERRATIC DECISIONS, RIGHT? UM, SUDDEN LANE CHANGES, ABRUPT TURNS OR JUST MISS THE ENTRANCE IN GENERAL, UM, CREATING JUST UNNECESSARY SAFETY CONCERNS.UM, LASTLY I WANNA TOUCH ON, UM, IN OUR PREVIOUS MEETING, SOMETHING THAT WE, WE DISCUSSED, AND THAT WAS JUST THAT THERE'S, UH, EXTENSIVE INDUSTRY RESEARCH THAT SHOWS A DIRECT CORRELATION BETWEEN INCREASED SIGNAGE, VISIBILITY AND SALES, RIGHT? SO SIMPLY PUT BUSINESSES THAT ARE EASIER TO LOCATE WILL GENERATE MORE TRAFFIC AND THEREFORE GREATER SALES.
SO REGARDLESS OF ANYONE'S INDIVIDUAL PREFERENCES ON PARTICULAR TENANTS FOR THIS PROJECT, HOME DEPOT IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF AN ANCHOR TENANT THAT IS A PRIMARY TRAFFIC GENERATOR FOR THE PROJECT.
SO THEY DRIVE A SUBSTANTIAL NUMBER OF VISITORS TO THE PROJECT, WHICH IN TURN BENEFITS SURROUNDING TENANTS.
IT ALSO INCREASES OVERALL CONSUMER ACTIVITY AND THEN CONTRIBUTES SIGNIFICANTLY TO SALES TAX REVENUE GENERATED BY THE PROJECT.
THE SUCCESS OF SHORTT BENEFITS THE CITY DIRECTLY THROUGH THIS INCREASED SALES TAX REVENUE.
SO, UM, AND IN ADDITION TO THAT JOB CREATION, JUST EXPANDED ECONOMIC ACTIVITY.
SO FOR THAT REASON, THIS REQUEST IS NOT ONLY A TENANT AND A DEVELOPMENT CONCERN, IT'S AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CONSIDERATION, AND I DO NOT WANT THAT TO BE OVERLOOKED IN THIS CONVERSATION.
UM, THE, I GUESS IN CLOSING THE REQUESTED SIGN AREA, THE REQUESTED INCREASE TO THE SIGN AREA, IN OUR OPINION, UM, AFTER WE'VE HEARD YOUR FEEDBACK AND WE'VE REVISED OUR SIGN DESIGN IS A RELATIVELY MODEST ADJUSTMENT THAT CAN HAVE A MEANINGFUL IMPACT ON THE OVERALL SUCCESS OF THE PROJECT.
IT ALLOWS THE DEVELOPMENT TO EFFECTIVELY IDENTIFY ITS ANCHOR TENANTS, WHICH ARE THE MAJOR TRAFFIC GENERATORS, IMPROVE CUSTOMER AWARENESS, AND THEN IN THE LONG TERM INCREASE PERFORMANCE AND THEREFORE SALES TAX REVENUE TO THE CITY.
UM, I APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S TIME AND RECONSIDERATION OF OUR REQUEST.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
UM, REAL QUICK BEFORE I OPEN IT UP TO THEM, I, I DID HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS AND I THINK I'LL, I'LL BE COMMISSIONER OUT LOUD TO THE PUNCH HERE.
UM, SO COULD YOU GO BACK TO YOUR FIRST SLIDE? YES.
UM, LIKE THE VERY, VERY FRONT.
YOU GOT A PICTURE OF SOME OF THE EXISTING SIGNS IS WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.
SO, UM, NOT ASSUMING THAT EACH ONE OF THOSE IS, IS UNIQUE.
SO THE ONE RIGHT THERE WITH THAT, YOUR MOUSE IS ON, IT'S GOT 12 SPOTS ON IT.
SO HYPOTHETICALLY, EACH SIGN HAS 12 SPACES.
UM, SO WITH FIVE EXISTING SIGNS ALONG 35, IT'S A POTENTIAL OF 60 INDIVIDUAL SPACES.
WHAT, WHAT, YOU KNOW, BLANKET OF ADVERTISEMENT, DOES THAT NOT CAPTURE ALREADY SURE THAT THAT'S, THAT THE INCREASED SIGNAGE WOULD? SO THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
UM, WHILE THE SIGN THAT WE'RE REFERRING TO MM-HMM
YOU MIGHT BE COUNTING 12 SPACES, THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S ACCOMMODATING THREE MULTI-TENANT BUILDINGS.
SO LOT SIX, ALL OF THE TENANTS IN LOT SIX BUILDING, WHICH IS 12,000 SQUARE FEET MM-HMM
ALL OF THE TENANTS IN THE LOT SEVEN A AND LOT SEVEN B BUILDING.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY IT'S NECESSARY TO HAVE 12 TENANT PANELS MM-HMM
IF WE WERE NOT, AND, AND WE MAKE A GOOD JUDGMENT, UM, BASED OFF OF OUR HISTORICAL DATA AND OUR EXPERIENCE OF HOW MANY TENANTS WE THINK WILL END UP IN THESE MULTI-TENANT BUILDINGS.
AND WE PROVIDE SIGNAGE PANELS ACCORDINGLY.
SO BECAUSE WE WERE ACCOMMODATING THREE DIFFERENT BUILDINGS, THAT'S WHY THERE'S 12 SIGNAGE PANELS, THE LOT FIVE SIGN IS MUCH SMALLER THAN THAT BECAUSE IT'S ONLY ACCOMMODATING THE LOT FIVE TENANTS, WHICH IS JUST A 12,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.
THE LOT EIGHT SIGN THAT YOU CANNOT SEE ON THIS, UM, UH, PHOTO YEAH.
IS EVEN SMALLER BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S ACCOMMODATING LESS TENANTS.
UM, SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION, BUT, UM, WE DON'T TYPICALLY BUILD SIGNAGE UNLESS THERE'S A GOOD REASON FOR IT.
SO WE DO TRY TO DOCUMENT HOW MANY TENANTS NEED TENANT PANELS AND WE BUILD ACCORDINGLY.
BUT, SO WITH THAT, SO LIKE, UH, THE, THE PICTURE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S YOUR PRESENTATION, IT MIGHT'VE BEEN EMILY'S WHERE THERE WAS THE PROPOSED SIGN STILL.
SO I MEAN, HYPOTHETICALLY IF YOU'RE GETTING TWO SIGNS ALONG THE FRONTAGE ON LOT SEVEN YEP.
CAN YOU GO BACK ONE? OH, SO YOU HAD, UH, FIVE ALONG THE FRONT HERE.
LET'S SAY THIS ONE DOESN'T WORK OUT.
AND SO YOU HAVE TWO ON LOT SEVEN THAT SIX ALONG THE FRONTAGE ON 35 2 ALONG LOT EIGHT.
UM, I DIDN'T DO MY MATH FOR THAT A HUN.
I HAD, I HAD 108 HYPOTHETICAL SPOTS ON THE SIGNS.
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WHEN YOU SAY TOO LONG LOT EIGHT, YOU'RE REFERRING TO PLACING A SIGN ON STATION ROAD? I'M ON LOT SEVEN.SO YOU ON LOT SEVEN YOU'D HAVE SOMETHING ALONG SYLA VALLEY AND SOMETHING ALONG 35.
AND THEN REALISTICALLY IF YOU DID PUT SOMEONE ON STATION ROAD, THAT'S ANOTHER, I MEAN I'M USING 12 AS LIKE THAT'S HOW MANY YOU HAD ON ONE AND JUST A HAVE A HYPOTHETICAL MAXIMUM.
I MEAN, THERE'S NOT THAT MANY TENANT SPACES.
I, I THINK IT, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT IS THE, THE BIG HANG UP ON THE CODE REQUIREMENT OF ALL THE OTHER ONES MEET IT.
SO I THINK THAT THE, UH, PART OF THE QUESTION, UH, CAN BE ANSWERED WITH THE PILOT SIGN IS DEDICATED MM-HMM
AND ALSO I'D LIKE TO MENTION IF IT WOULD MAKE THE COMMISSIONERS MORE COMFORTABLE, UM, AND IF THIS IS ALLOWED BY CITY, SORRY, I'M LOOKING FOR YOU OVER THERE, UM, OF APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS THAT WE WOULD NOT PLACE AN ADDITIONAL SIGN ON LOT SEVEN.
WE'RE COMFORTABLE DOING THAT BECAUSE WHEN I TELL YOU THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CONSOLIDATE OUR REQUEST, UM, INTO ONE MORE PROMINENT SIGN, AND AGAIN, THE LOT SEVEN TENANTS ARE ALREADY BEING REPRESENTED ON THE LOT SIX SIGN.
THAT WAS THE PLAN FROM THE BEGINNING.
UM, WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
WE'RE, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO LITTER THE, THE SITE WITH SIGNAGE THAT'S NOT EVEN VISIBLE.
UM, SO PLACING SIGNS, UH, ALONG STATION ROAD, ALBEIT WE CAN PER CODE IT, IT'S NOT REALLY HELPFUL TO THE PROJECT GIVEN THAT WE'RE TRYING TO INCREASE VISIBILITY FROM THE MAJOR THOROUGH AFFAIRS, WHICH IS 35 IN THE CIVIL VALLEY DRIVE AS A SECONDARY.
SO FOR THE, THE VISIBILITY PORTION, I KNOW YOU SHOWED LIKE AN AFTER PHOTO, LIKE AFTER YOU'RE PASSING THE SITE.
IS THERE A VISIBILITY ISSUE ON THE APPROACH? BOTH WAYS ACTUALLY.
UM, ONE IS WORSE THAN THE OTHER, AND I'M PROBABLY GONNA SAY IT WRONG 'CAUSE I DO LIKE EVERY TIME I TALK ABOUT THIS, BUT, UM, GOING NORTHBOUND, OR I'M SORRY, GOING SOUTHBOUND TOWARDS SAN ANTONIO IS WORSE FROM AN APPROACH STANDPOINT THAN GOING NORTH TOWARDS NEW BRAUNFELS, WHICH IS, UM, A LITTLE BIT BETTER, BUT DIRECTLY IN FROM THE SITE, LIKE I SHOWED YOU, UM, ON THE, ON THE, UH, PHOTO IS, I MEAN, IT'S SIGNIFICANT.
YOU CAN BARELY EVEN SEE THE EXISTING BUILDINGS.
I THINK, I THINK THAT'S MY COMMENTS FOR NOW.
SO I'LL, UH, ANYBODY ELSE? I KNOW MR. OUTLAWS.
DO YOU THINK FIRST RESPONDERS ARE IDIOTS? I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT.
I'M MARRIED TO ONE, SO BECAUSE HE WOULD, HE WOULD BE VERY UPSET TO HEAR THAT
THIS SIGN IS GONNA ADVERTISE TENANTS THAT AREN'T ANYWHERE NEAR THIS SIGN.
SO THAT REASONING FOR BIG, THIS SIGN BEING BIG IS COMPLETELY BOGUS.
I THINK THAT IT DOESN'T PUT YOU DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE STORE IF WE'RE ADVERTISING HOME DEPOT ON THAT SIGN.
SO I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM AND I WANNA BE CLEAR, I ABSOLUTELY DID NOT MEAN ANY OFFENSE.
UH, AGAIN, MY HUSBAND IS A FIRST RESPONDER.
YOU HAVE TWO LONG-TERM FIRST RESPONDERS SITTING ON THIS BOARD.
A ABSOLUTELY, AND I'M IN TOTAL SUPPORT.
THAT IS NOT EVEN PART OF THE QUESTION.
I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENT AND IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
UH, COMMISSIONER HECTOR? YES, THANK YOU.
SORRY, I, UH, MISSED THE LAST TIME I THINK I WAS OUT OF THE COUNTRY.
BUT, UM, SO I WILL JUST, UH, ONE, OFFER MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION BECAUSE I'VE DRIVEN UP AND DOWN 35 QUITE A BIT HERE RECENTLY AS THE CONSTRUCTION WAS GOING ON.
AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT YOU ABSOLUTELY LOSE VISIBILITY ON THE SOUTHBOUND SIDE OF 35.
SO, UH, BUT MY QUESTION ONE IS, UH, WHAT IS THE NUMBER OF PANELS THAT WOULD, UH, BE RESIDENT ON THIS, UH, SIGN YOU'RE PROPOSING? SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME.
UH, AND THE SIGN, THE THE NEW CURRENTLY PROPOSED DESIGN.
UH, THE SIZE OF IT, UH, IN COMPARISON TO THE, UH, CODE, THE ONE THAT YOU SHOWED ON, UH, THAT CI
I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT SQUARE FOOTAGE.
UM, BUT I DID SEND OUR SIGNAGE CONSULTANT OUT THERE TO CONFIRM THAT THIS SIGN WAS SMALLER, IN FACT THAN THAT IF NOT COMPARABLE.
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AND THEN JUST A, UH, A GENERAL STATEMENT REGARDING, UH, OUR, UH, I GUESS INTENTIONALITY OF WHAT WE WANT SHIRTS TO LOOK LIKE, WHAT WE WANT IT TO BE.WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION IN THE PAST AND I REALLY WANT TO UNDERSTAND ULTIMATELY, UH, BECAUSE I THINK IT CAME UP WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, HOME DEPOT WERE PROPOSING, UH, MORE SIGNAGE THAN I THINK THE CODE ALLOWED FOR IN THE BEGINNING.
UH, AND SO ONE, IS THIS THE SAME QUESTION REGARDING NO OR NO? SO PREVIOUSLY THE, THE HOME DEPOT ITSELF GOT A WAIVER.
UM, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DENIED IT.
IT GOT APPEALED TO CITY COUNCIL AND CITY COUNCIL APPROVED LARGER WALL SIGNS.
SO HOME DEPOT ITSELF WILL HAVE LARGER WALL SIGNS.
THIS IS SPECIFICALLY JUST FOR LOT SEVEN TO HAVE THE LARGER FREESTANDING SIGN.
SO EVEN THOUGH THIS SIGN IS IN INTENDED TO ADVERTISE FOR THE HOME DEPOT, TECHNICALLY THEY COULD ADVERTISE FOR ANY OF THE TENANTS THROUGHOUT SHIRT STATION ON THIS SIGN.
AND, UH, THEY REDID THE, THE DESIGN AND IT'S STILL, I GUESS, EXCEEDING THE CODE, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO, UH, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT ANY CONSIDERATION WAS GIVEN TO THE CHANGE IN TOPOGRAPHY OR THE, THE DEPTH OF THE ROAD GOING UP AND DOWN AND FROM WHERE, BUT, UH, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE DO NEED TO MAYBE LOOK AT GOING FORWARD? UH, BECAUSE I THINK ULTIMATELY WE WANT TO ADVERTISE FOR PEOPLE TO DO BUSINESS IN CHURCH, RIGHT? MM-HMM
AND IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THE SIGN IS NOT INCREASED OR IF, YOU KNOW, WE STICK TO OUR GUNS AND, UH, DON'T ALLOW THE WAIVER THAT THEY WON'T.
BUT, UH, I GUESS I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT THE, UH, THE DIFFERENCES WOULD BE.
AND IF IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE, THEN THAT'S A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE HEARD ANYONE SAY THAT IT IS SO, SO I WOULD JUST SAY THAT FOR ME, I THINK, YOU KNOW, BEING INTENTIONAL ABOUT WHAT WE WANT, YOU KNOW, SIGNAGE ALONG 35 AND I 10 TO LOOK LIKE, UH, IT SOUNDS, YOU KNOW, IT'S A CONVERSATION THAT WE NEED TO HAVE FOR SURE.
AND I WOULD SAY WHEN THE UDC AMENDMENT FOR ALL OF ARTICLE 11 WENT THROUGH, WE HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND WE FELT LIKE 250 SQUARE FEET ON I 35 AND IH 10 WAS APPROPRIATE.
UM, NOW IF, I KNOW COMMISSIONER ATWELL WANTS A CONVERSATION ABOUT ARTICLE 11 AGAIN, BUT IF WE FEEL THAT 250 SQUARE FEET ISN'T LARGE ENOUGH, THEN YES, WE NEED TO GO THROUGH THAT AMENDMENT PROCESS AND WE WOULD WANT THAT AMENDMENT, UM, TO BE APPLICABLE FOR ALL PROPERTIES ON 35 AND 10.
IF WE DON'T FEEL THAT 250 SQUARE FEET IS LARGE ENOUGH, BUT BACK IN JUNE OF 2025, WE, WE DID, CITY COUNCIL SAID THAT 250 SQUARE FEET WAS LARGE ENOUGH.
WE DID LOOK AT THE, UM, GRADE CHANGES ON 35, BUT THOSE ARE NOT UNIQUE JUST TO LOT SEVEN, SAME CHANGE.
YOU HAVE THAT SAME, UM, SITE CONCERNS ON LOT SIX IMMEDIATELY NEXT DOOR.
BUT THAT ONE WAS ABLE TO, TO MEET THE CODE REQUIREMENTS.
IT'S NOT JUST FOR SHIRT STATION, YOU KNOW, THOSE 35 IS WHERE IT IS FOR ALL OF THE BUSINESSES ALONG 35.
SO IF WE'RE CONCERNED WITH THE VERTICAL GRADE OF 35 AND SIGNAGE ALONG 35, THEN WE SHOULD LOOK AT IT FOR ALL BUSINESSES, NOT JUST SPECIFICALLY THIS ONE.
UH, AND AM I CORRECT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS THE ONLY SIGN OF THIS SIZE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED FOR SEARCH STATION CURRENTLY? YES.
UM, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT THERE'S, THERE WOULD BE NOTHING PROHIBITING THEM FROM COMING AND REQUESTING A WAIVER ON ADDITION AND A DIFFERENT LOT TO HAVE A LARGER SIGNAGE.
THEY WERE REQUESTING LARGER SIGNAGE ON TWO LOTS, NOT JUST THIS ONE.
I THINK THAT, UH, ANSWERED MY QUESTION.
ANYBODY ELSE? UH, MR. VELAZQUEZ, COMMISSIONER VESQUEZ, DO YOU GUYS HAVE THE ELEVATION OF I 35 COMING FROM SAN ANTONIO TO NEW GROUND FALLS VERSUS THE UHS ROAD, CIVIL CREEK
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ROAD? WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE IN THE ELEVATION BETWEEN WHEN, WHEN YOU COME FROM Y 35 GOING NORTH? I SPECIFICALLY DO NOT KNOW THAT I GO THAT EVERY DAY.AND YEAH, SO, SO IT'S A, 'CAUSE THE ROADWAY'S FLAT, SO ON BOTH LANES GOING NORTH AND SOUTH, DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE SHORT STATION, THERE IS AN 18 FOOT GR CHANGE.
SO IF YOU TAKE THE ELEVATION AFTER YOU PASS THE BRIDGE, I CAN SEE IT BECAUSE YOU'RE THE GRADE OF A 12 VERSUS 8 35.
BUT THAT'S NOT THE FINAL GRADE OF I 35, UNLESS YOU CAN SHOW ME THAT THAT'S THE FINAL GRADE OF I 35.
I DUNNO IF THIS EXHIBIT DOES THE TOP OF THAT GO BACK, YOU GOT A 12 IS AFTER THE BRIDGE OF I OF CIVIL CREEK STREET AND THAT'S THE GRADE, UH, I'M SORRY.
YOU'RE SEEING 8 12, 8 32, YOU GOT EIGHT 50 VERSUS IN THE MIDDLE.
THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF 8 35? THAT IS CORRECT, YES, SIR.
AND THEN IT'S, UM, EIGHT 50, UM, WHICH IS HIGHLIGHTED, WHICH IS DIRECTLY, UH, IN PROXIMITY TO THE PROPOSED SIGN AFTER, AFTER YOU PASS THE OVERHEAD PASS IN SILVER CREEK VALLEY.
UH, I'M SORRY, UH, LET ME SEE IF THIS, THERE WE GO.
THE MOUSE EIGHT 50 IS WHAT I'M REFERRING TO HERE.
50 THAT'S ON SITE IN RELATION AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GETTING THE 18 FOOT GREAT CHANGE.
HERE AFTER THE BRIDGE, AFTER THE BRIDGE GOING, UH, NORTH.
UM, AND IF I CAN, DO YOU MIND IF I JUST SAY ONE THING JUST TO CLEAR, SINCE, UH, COMMISSIONER HECTOR WASN'T HERE? THAT IS CORRECT.
WE DID PRESENT TWO SIGNS, TWO PILON SIGNS AT THE LAST PNZ MEETING.
UM, WE WENT BACK THROUGH AND AGAIN, WE HEARD WHAT YOU HAD TO SAY AND WE ARE TRYING OUR BEST IN GOOD PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY TO TRY TO MEET IN THE MIDDLE.
AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE ARE NO LONGER, AND I'M HAPPY TO DOCUMENT THIS IN ANY WAY WE NEED TO, BUT WE ARE NO LONGER, UM, SEEKING A VARIANCE FOR THE LOT TO SIGN.
ANY SIGN THAT IS BUILT ON THAT LOT, WHETHER IT BE A SINGLE TENANT SIGN OR A MULTI-TENANT SIGN WILL COMPLY WITH CITY CODE.
UM, THIS WILL BE THE ONLY SIGN THAT SHIRT STATION IS SEEKING ONLY, UH, FREESTANDING SIGN ALONG 35.
THAT SHIRT STATION IS SEEKING, UM, A VARI A WAIVER REQUEST FOR, OKAY, GO FOR IT.
ON YOUR ORIGINAL SIGN THAT WE RECOMMENDED DENIAL OF YOU HAD OR TENANT AREAS, YOU'VE GOT FIVE TENANT AREAS ON HERE.
SO IF YOU DO AWAY WITH ONE OF THOSE TENANT AREAS, LOWER SHIRT STATION DOWN AND DO AWAY WITH THE MAINTENANCE ON THE BOTTOM, YOU'LL DROP ANOTHER A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET OFF OF YOUR SIGN.
UM, THE PROBLEM IS WE ARE TRYING TO MAINTAIN THE 35 FEET IN HEIGHT FROM A VISIBILITY STANDPOINT FROM 35, UM, AND DOING THAT AND IT NOT LOOKING FUNNY.
UM, THAT'S ALSO ONE OF THE REASONS AS WE REEVALUATED HOW WE COULD DESIGN IT STILL ACCOMPLISH, UM, YOU KNOW, TENANT PANEL VISIBILITY, GIVE US FLEXIBILITY THERE AND VISIBILITY.
WE MOVED THE SHIRT STATION TO THE TOP OF THE SIGN, UM, TO TRY TO BALANCE IT OUT A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
'CAUSE OTHERWISE, AS WE SHRINK THE SIGN, UM, BUT WE STILL NEED TO MAINTAIN A RATIO ON THE PANEL DIMENSIONS.
UM, BUT IT'S THE HEIGHT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MAINTAIN.
WE CANNOT, WE PRESENTED A 40 FOOT SIGN, 35 FEET, IF YOU SAW IN THE QUICK LIKE GOOGLE EARTH EXHIBIT THAT I PROVIDED YOU GUYS DUE TO THE ELEVATION CHANGE, IT'S, IT'S NOT GREAT 35 FEET.
BUT AGAIN, WE HEARD WHAT YOU HAD TO SAY AND WE'RE TRYING TO MEET IN THE MIDDLE AND STILL PROVIDE AS ADEQUATE OF VISIBILITY AS WE CAN FOR THESE ANCHOR TENANTS WHO DO NOT HAVE VISIBILITY, SIGNAGE, VISIBILITY OFF 35, AND THEY WILL BE FEATURED ON THE PYLON SIGN.
SO, UM, 35 FEET WAS THE MAXIMUM OR THE MINIMUM HEIGHT THAT WE FELT COULD ACCOMPLISH THAT.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT YOU CAN DROP A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET OFF OF YOUR SIGN BY DOING AWAY WITH THE BOTTOM TENANT SIGN AND THE MASONRY AND JUST PUTTING IT ON A PY LINE.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, AND THAT'S WHY, UM, I TRIED TO GIVE SOME VISUAL REPRESENTATIONS OF PYLON TYPE SIGNS.
UM, IT'S NOT THAT WE COULD NOT DO THAT, BUT IT, IT DOESN'T DO A GOOD JOB OF REPRESENTING WHAT WE HAVE PROMISED TO THE CITY.
AND THAT IS THIS INCREASED ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS.
UM, HIGHER END MATERIAL BUILDING MATERIALS.
A PYLON SIGN WOULD BE CHEAPER.
UM, INSTEAD OF PLACING REAL LIMESTONE AT THE BASE OF THE SIGN JUST AS WE DID ON THE BUILDINGS.
UM, BUT WE'RE JUST, WE'RE TRYING TO DELIVER ON THE PROMISE THAT WE PROVIDED TO THE CITY.
REAL QUICK, YOU DID SAY ONE THING.
SO THE, THE, THE TENANTS ON THE ANCHOR ON THE SIGN WOULDN'T, YOU SAID THEY WOULDN'T HAVE VISIBILITY ANYWHERE ELSE? NO.
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ALONG IH NO SIGNAGE VISIBILITY ALONG 35 OR SILLA VALLEY DRIVE.NO, I'M LIKE, THERE'S, FROM A SIGNAGE STANDPOINT, I GOT JUST 'CAUSE THE BUILDING SET BACK AND ANY OTHER SIGNS THEY MIGHT HAVE WILL NOT BE ALONG THE, I THOUGHT YOU WERE SAYING THEY WOULDN'T BE ON ANY OF THOSE PYLON SIGNS.
ANYBODY ELSE, MR. OUTLAW? IT'S, UM, IT'S, IT'S FUNNY THAT MY COLLEAGUE BROUGHT UP THE, UM, EMERGENCY RESPONSE BECAUSE I WAS JUST, I THINK I WAS TALKING TO MY WIFE THE OTHER DAY AND, UM, IT REALLY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SIGNS, BUT AS AN EMERGENCY RESPONDER, UM, OF COURSE THINGS ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT NOW.
WE'VE GOT COMPUTER AIDED DISPATCH AND COMPUTERS IN THE TRUCKS AND ALL THAT, BUT THEY WOULD DISPATCH US TO AN ADDRESS.
AND ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I DO IS SAY, DO YOU HAVE A BUSINESS NAME? BECAUSE I MIGHT NOT KNOW WHERE 18 501 I 35 IS, BUT YOU TELL ME IT'S, UH, PANERA BREAD, I KNOW WHERE THAT'S AT.
SEE, OKAY, SO WHERE DO I START? I, I'VE GOT QUESTIONS FOR EVERYBODY HERE.
UM, LET ME START, YOU KNOW, AS EMILY MENTIONED, I'VE ASKED FOR A WORKSHOP TO, UM, TO REHASH, UH, I GUESS IT'S SECTION 11 AS AS YOU POINTED OUT.
UM, AND SO RIGHT NOW THERE ARE, UM, SHIRT STATION, THE ONLY IDENTITY IS ON THOSE, IS SIDEWAYS ON THOSE SIGNS ALONG THE FRONT, CORRECT? YES.
SO THIS WOULD GIVE US RIGHT ON THE CORNER, UM, A BIG SIGN.
WELL, I I DON'T WANNA SAY A BIG SIGN, A A A A, A MEDIUM SIZED SIGN THAT IMMEDIATELY SAYS, HEY GUYS, THIS IS SHIRT STATION.
AND THAT DOES A LOT FOR ME BECAUSE, UM, THERE WAS A TIME, UM, WHEN, WHEN WE FIRST MOVED TO SHIRTS, I, I USED TO TELL PEOPLE THAT I, I THINK EVERYBODY THAT LIVED, UH, NORTH OF LEIB OAK ROAD THOUGHT THEY WERE LIVED IN SAN ANTONIO.
YOU HAD THE EXPRESS NEWS WHEN HEB OPENED, IT WAS NORTHEAST SAN ANTONIO, THEY DIDN'T SAY SHIRTS.
AND, UM, EVEN TODAY, I THINK WE HAVE AN IDENTITY PROBLEM BE BECAUSE YOU LOOK AT SIWA VALLEY DRIVE AND UM, YOU KNOW, I WANNA SAY SOUTH, BUT IT'S THAT WHATEVER.
BUT ON ONE SIDE OF IT IS THE CITY OF CLOW AND RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE SHIRTS STATION, THAT'S THE CITY OF SHIRTS.
AND YOU KNOW, YOU GOT PEOPLE, WELL, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T KNOW.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY EVEN CARE, BUT I, I THINK THIS SIGN WOULD HELP PROVIDE SOME, A LITTLE BIT MORE IDENTITY FOR SHIRTS ITSELF AND TELL PEOPLE, UH, THAT WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE EATING AT, UM, SMOKEY MO'S OR PORTILLO'S, YOU'RE IN SHIRTS, NOT SLO.
UM, I WOULD ARGUE, UM, THAT YES, WHEN WE DID THE REDID THE SIGN ORDINANCE, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WERE REALLY THINKING, UM, YOU KNOW, WE USED THE WORD UNIQUE AND I, I I, I'LL GIVE YOU COMPARISON.
THE, THE, THE, UM, THE CONCERN HERE FOR THE DEVELOPER IS VISIBILITY FOR THE, FOR THEIR MAJOR TENANTS THAT ARE REALLY DON'T FRONT THE ROADWAY.
THEY'RE IN THE BACK OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND SO I WOULD ARGUE THAT SHIRT STATION IS DIFFERENT THAN THIS BRAND NEW RETAIL DEVELOPMENT UP HERE, UM, OFF OF, UM, STEIN ON ON 3 0 0 9, BECAUSE EVERYTHING IN THAT DEVELOPMENT IS FACING 3 0 0 9.
THERE ARE NO PROPERTIES IN THE BACK THERE.
YOU KNOW, EVERY, WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT YOU GET.
SO IN THAT WORKSHOP THAT WE HOPE TO HAVE A, A COUPLE OF THE KINDS OF THINGS I WANTED TO DISCUSS HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP HERE.
NUMBER ONE IS, UM, SHOULD WE HAVE SOME, SHOULD WE GIVE SOME CONSIDERATION TO, UM, LARGE DEVELOPMENT PROPERTIES LIKE SHIRT STATION? UM, SHOULD AND AND PARTICULARLY THOSE THAT HAVE, UM, TENANTS NOT ON THE PRIMARY, NOT, NOT WITH NO VISIBILITY OR I DON'T WANT TO SAY 'CAUSE THEY ARE VISIBLE.
I MEAN, I'M SORRY, HOME DEPOT STICKS OUT LIKE A
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SORE THUMB, BUT THEY'RE INTERIOR TO THE SITE, BUT THEY'RE INTERIOR TO THE, TO THE ROAD.UM, AND THEN THE SIGN AREA ITSELF, UH, ONE OF, ONE OF THE THINGS I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IN THAT WORKSHOP IS DO WE INCLUDE THE ENTIRE SIGN OR JUST THE ADVERTISING PART OF IT? OKAY.
BECAUSE AGAIN, WHAT THE DEVELOPER'S TRYING TO DO HERE IS PUT TOGETHER A, UM, PLEASANT, A NICE LOOKING SIGN WITH, UM, A NICE FRAME, UH, MASONRY BASE.
UH, AND AGAIN, GOOD PRO, YOU KNOW, HERE YOU ARE, YOU ARE IN SHIRT STATION AND UM, YEAH, WHEN YOU LOOK AT JUST THE TENANT LIST, JUST THOSE FIVE PANELS, IT'S 240 SQUARE FEET.
SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE KIND OF THINGS I'D LIKE TO SEE IN THE, IN THE WORKSHOP.
BECAUSE I, I THINK THERE ARE DIFFERENCES, UH, BETWEEN LARGE SCALE PROJECTS LIKE THIS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE DOWN THE STREET HERE WHERE OUR LONG CHURCH PARKWAY, EVERYTHING THERE IS FACING, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT AN ISSUE.
UH, I WAS JOKING WITH MY WIFE ONE TIME, WE DROVE BY THERE THAT, UM, YOU FOLKS PUT UP THOSE NICE MULTI-TENANT SIGNS, WHICH ARE REALLY NICE UNTIL ALL THOSE TREES, THE CITY MADE YOU PLANT MATURE.
AND THEN I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA SEE 'EM ANYMORE.
WE WELL, TRIED TO DO OUR BEST TO, YEAH.
I THINK IT WOULD JUST DEPEND ON HOW HIGH THEY GROW.
BUT ANYWAY, I I, I'M CURIOUS TO SEE HOW THAT ALL WENT.
BUT NOT TO MENTION IT'S ALSO GONNA, I THINK THOSE TREES ARE GONNA HIDE THE BUILDING SIGNAGE.
SO THE, SO YOUR PYLON SIGNS OR YOUR GROUND SIGNS BECOME EVEN MORE IMPORTANT.
UM, AND I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT, UH, ONE BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT SURE STATION IS DOING AND THE FORUM, IF ANYBODY'S GONE TO THE FORUM AND YOU COME OFF OF 35 THERE, UM, UM, AND NOT OLYMPIA, BUT THAT NEXT, THAT LOWER EXIT ANYWAY, AND YOU MAKE A RIGHT TURN AND, AND THERE'S A PYLON SIGN THAT ADVERTISES SOMEBODY THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WAY THE HECK UP IN THE FAR CORNER OR, YOU KNOW, UM, IN OTHER WORDS, THE THE, THE TENANTS THAT ARE ON THAT SIGN ARE NOWHERE NEAR, THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, TO ME THEY DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING FOR THE SHOPPERS TO HELP, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU NEED TO GO IN, IN THE SHOPPING CENTER.
WHEREAS A SHIRT STATION IS, AT LEAST WITH THEIR, UM, INDIVIDUAL LOT SIGNS, THEY'RE ONLY ADVERTISING THE BUSINESSES THAT, THAT ARE ON THAT LOT.
SO HYPOTHETICAL, THEY COULD JUST PUT, UH, WHAT'S THE HEIGHT LIMIT UP THERE? 50.
SO THEORETICALLY THEY COULD TOOK, THEY COULD TAKE A 250 SQUARE FOOT HOME DEPOT SIGN AND PUT IT ON A POLE AS LONG AS IT DIDN'T EXCEED 50 FEET.
AND THEN, AND THEN WE'RE STARING AND, AND THEN WE HAVE, UH, NO PROJECT ID, NO, NO, NO PROJECT IDENTIFYING, UH, NO, NO, NO CITY IDENTITY, UM, BOAT SHOPPING CENTER.
UM, SO YOU AN, YOU ANSWERED ANOTHER QUESTION HERE FOR ME.
UM, I, I WROTE DOWN HERE BECAUSE KNOWING YOU HAD THAT SECOND ONE YOU ASKED FOR TWO LAST TIME.
UM, AND YEAH, THERE'S NOT, EVEN THOUGH ALL YOUR ASSURANCES AND AND I, THERE, THERE REALLY, I, I CAN'T THINK OF A WAY THAT WOULD, THE, THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD KEEP YOU FROM GETTING A SECOND ONE IS SITTING RIGHT HERE.
AND, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, SO, UM, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
SO LEMME SEE, UM, WORKING DOWN THE LIST HERE, I TALKED ABOUT THAT.
I TALKED ABOUT THAT, UM, THE TIMING OF THE PDD AND I'M, I'M SORRY, EXCUSE ME JUST A MINUTE.
THE, UM, THE TIMING OF THE, THE NEW SIGN ORDINANCE AND THE PDD WAS THAT NEW SIGN ORDINANCE IN EFFECT WHEN THEY DID THEIR PDD.
SO, UM, IF THEY'D ASKED FOR ANYTHING, IT WOULD'VE BEEN OKAY AMENDING OR ASKING FOR, FOR VARIATIONS TO THE OLD, OKAY, NOW WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT VISIBILITY AND YOU KEEP BRINGING UP THE GRADE CHANGE FROM 35,
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BUT YOU'VE GOT YOUR SIGN ORIENTED PERPENDICULAR TO 35.SO HOW IS THAT GONNA DO ANYTHING? HOW'S THAT GONNA PROVIDE ANY VISIBILITY FROM 35? IT'S UP TO APPROACHING TRAFFIC.
SO AS YOU'RE DRIVING PAST THE SITE, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT SHORT STATION OR YOU'RE LOOKING AT SIGNAGE, LIKE YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT LOOKING AT IT, I MEAN, SAFELY, YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT LOOKING AT IT WHEN YOU'RE DIRECTLY PERPENDICULAR TO IT, YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT IN ADVANCE FOR ONCOMING TRAFFIC.
SO IF IT WAS FACING DIRECTLY PERPENDICULAR WITH 35, ALBEIT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE IT AS YOU PASSED MORE CLEARLY THAN IF IT IS PARALLEL, LIKE YOU SAID, OR I JUST FLIPPED THOSE TWO.
UM, IT'S REALLY FOR ONCOMING TRAFFIC AND THAT'S GENERALLY HOW WE ORIENT OUR SIGNS.
THE OTHER SIGNS LOCATED, UM, ON OUR OTHER LOTS ARE SITUATED THE SAME WAY.
WELL, BUT I, I UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE REALLY LOOKING AT THOSE FROM THE ACCESS ROAD, NOT FROM, NOT FROM THE, I KNOW, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE IT FROM 35 BECAUSE THEY'RE TOO SMALL
BUT, UH, A, A AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND AND, AND YOU KNOW, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE RISK OF SETTING PRECEDENTS.
UM, AND I USED TO MAKE DECISIONS ALL THE TIME, AND SETTING A PRECEDENT WAS ALWAYS A CONSIDERATION.
AND I ALWAYS MADE SURE THAT I HAD A VALID ARTICULABLE REASON FOR DOING WHAT I DID, SO THAT WHEN THE NEXT ONE CAME IN AND I SAID NO, I WAS ABLE TO SAY, WELL NO, IT'S NOT THE SAME.
HERE'S WHY I MADE THIS DECISION ON THE PREVIOUS ONE.
AND I, I THINK WE ARE ALL PERFECTLY CAPABLE OF DOING THAT.
UM, BUT I ALSO AGREE WITH, WITH EMILY, IT WOULD BE NICE TO NOT HAVE TO DEAL WITH A SERIES OF WAIVERS AND, UM, YES, WE SHOULD BE FAIR TO EVERYBODY, BUT AGAIN, UM, SO THAT, THAT'S WHY I'VE ASKED FOR A WORKSHOP WHETHER OR NOT ANYTHING'S GONNA COME OF IT.
BUT, UM, AND, AND AGAIN, WE NEED TO BE FAIR TO, SO WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS SET AGAIN SOME CRITERIA.
UM, NOW ONE THING I, UH, AGAIN, I'M GONNA SAY IT ONE MORE TIME.
UM, I LIKE THEIR NEW PROPOSAL FOR SEVERAL REASONS.
NUMBER ONE, IT GIVES THE, THE LOCATION ITSELF SOME IDENTITY.
AND WHEN YOU TAKE, WHEN YOU ONLY LOOK AT THE, UM, TENANT ADVERTISING AREA, IT IS LESS THAN THE ALLOWABLE SIGNAGE AREA AND IT'S A VERY NICE LOOKING SIGN COMPARED TO SOME OF THE OTHERS AS YOU DRIVE AROUND.
ANYBODY ELSE? YOU GOOD? ALRIGHT, WELL I THINK COMMISSIONER HECTOR? NO.
I JUST SAW YOU REACHING FOR IT.
UM, I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.
SO I'LL OPEN IT UP TO MOTIONS.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVE OF THE WAIVER IN RELATION TO THE FREE RAMBLING FREESTANDING GROUND SIGN ON LOT SEVEN.
AND I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION.
BUT THIS IS AN ACTION ITEM FOR US, NOT A RECOMMENDATION.
TO BE REAL QUICK, UM, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? I HAD YOUR, I SAW YOUR, YOU PUT THE, IF THERE IS A CHANCE TO PUT A 10 30 POSTPONING OF THIS REQUIREMENT UNTIL WE SEE ARTICLE 11, I MEAN APPRO A WAIVER, WE GONNA GO LIKE, SO YOU COULD, UH, WELL, A MOTION HAS BEEN MADE, A CONTINUANCE IS A MOTION THAT WE COULD TAKE TO CONTINUE THE ITEM TO A LATER DATE AFTER THAT DISCUSSION HAS HAPPENED.
I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF WHEN THAT WORKSHOP MIGHT HAPPEN? I MEAN, THE EARLIEST THAT WORKSHOP WOULD BE JULY AND THAT WOULDN'T BE FOR LIKE ACTUAL CORRECT.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT END OF SUMMER, EARLY FALL BEFORE ANY UDC AMENDMENTS WOULD BE DONE.
SO BECAUSE I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE COMMISSION WAS SAYING ABOUT HOW NICE IT LOOKS AND ALL THE STUFF IT PROMOTES, BUT WE'RE GOING OUTSIDE OF OUR NORMAL UDC JUST TO APPROVE SOMETHING AND THEN ALL THOSE PEOPLE BEHIND THAT ARE APPROVING SIGNS WITH THE TWO 50 WILL SAY, WELL, IF THAT'S THE CASE, I CAN SUBMIT WAIVERS FOR EVERYTHING.
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SO I WOULD SAY THAT IS THE, THE OTHER PROPERTY OWNER'S RIGHTS, THEY CAN COME IN AND REQUEST WAIVERS AS WELL.I MEAN, WITH THE UDC AMENDMENT, THE WAIVER SECTION WAS PUT IN PLACE SO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION COULD HEAR PROPERTY OWNERS AND BUSINESS OWNERS, YOU KNOW, REQUEST.
SO I DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW THAT.
UM, SHIRT STATION AND BRITTANY, YOU WOULD WANNA WAIT AND POSTPONE THIS UNTIL THE FALL FOR ACTION.
WE'D RATHER JUST TAKE ACTION AND, AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
THAT'S PREFERENCE IS THAT ANSWER.
UM, WELL A MOTION HAS BEEN MADE, SO LET'S TAKE ACTION ON THAT.
THERE WAS A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, P-L-V-A-R 2 0 2 6 0 1 2 9, THE SIGN WAIVER, UM, FOR LOT SEVEN BLOCK ONE, UH, UH, BY COMMISSIONER HECTOR, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER OUTLAW.
SO IF, UH, I I WILL ADD A COMMENT.
UH, YOU KNOW, I I I WILL AGREE WITH BOTH SIDES THAT WAS SAID TONIGHT.
I THINK THE POINTS BY COMMISSIONER OUTLAW AND THE REASONING FOR IT, UM, AND THEN THE, THE ALLOCATIONS MADE TO, TO BRING IT DOWN, I THINK ARE, ARE GONNA BE APPROPRIATE.
OH, YOU HAVE A COMMENT AS WELL? GO FOR IT.
I'D LIKE TO ADD A CONDITION TO YOUR MOTION.
SO WE NEED TO TAKE ACTION ON THE MOTION FIRST AND THEN, UM, FOR SOME REASON, IF THIS FAILS, THEN WE CAN, UH, TAKE AND THEN WE CAN TAKE THAT UP AFTER POINT OF ORDER.
I, I BELIEVE HE CAN PROPOSE AN AMENDED AN AMENDMENT TO MY MOTION.
DO WE WANT TO, IS BRIAN AND, AND I'M SORRY I SHOULD KNOW ALL THIS STUFF.
I'VE LOOKED AT IT, UH, MANY TIMES, BUT IT, IT JUST, IT NEVER COMES UP.
BUT YEAH, NO, I THINK THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR MM-HMM
AND, AND I THINK IF SOMEONE WANTS TO PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT YEAH.
AND THEN ACCORDING TO ROBERTS ROSE BORDER YOU CAN AND THEN, AND THEN, AND THEN, YEAH.
AND THEN WE HAVE TO, THE ORDER THEN WOULD BE TO DEAL WITH THE AMENDMENT AND THEN, AND THEN COME BACK TO THE PRIMARY MOTION.
YEAH, WE DON'T, UH, WE, WE DON'T DEAL STRICTLY WITH ROBERTS.
WE, WE'VE KIND OF SET OUR OWN NOW.
I THINK THEY'RE PROBABLY BASED ON ROBERT'S, I THINK VERY SIMILAR.
BUT, UM, WE, WE, WE'VE KIND OF SET OUR WRITTEN OUR OWN RULES.
I KNOW EVERYBODY SETS THEIR OWN RULES.
I JUST KNOW THAT IN ACCORDANCE WITH ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER, YOU CAN AMEND A MOTION.
WELL THEY'RE, THEY'RE TRYING TO FIND IT OVER HERE.
IF YOU DON'T MIND JUST, MR. CHAIRMAN, DO WE NEED TO RECESS FOR A MINUTE? WELL, Y'ALL GIMME A CHALLENGE.
IT, IT APPEARS TO ME THAT YES, YOU CAN AMEND THE MOTION IF IT IS AGREEABLE.
AND THEN WE WERE JUST CHECKING TO VERIFY THAT THE WAIVER CAN ACTUALLY HAVE CONDITIONS ADDED.
UM, I KNOW THERE WAS JUST ANOTHER POINT.
I WOULD BE SPECIFIC ON THE CONDITIONS AND I THINK THE CONDITIONS NEED TO BE LIMITED TO ONLY LOT SEVEN.
SO NOT CONDITIONS TO PROHIBIT INCREASED SIGNAGE ON OTHER LOTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT WOULD NEED TO BE SPECIFIC TO LOT SEVEN.
SO YOU CAN AMEND A MOTION AFTER IT'S BEEN MADE.
SO WE'RE GONNA, THE, WE'RE, WE STILL HAVE TO VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT.
SO THE WAY THIS IS GONNA PLAY, SO COMMISSIONER MCMASTER, ARE WE WE'RE GOOD TO AMEND OR TO ADD CONDITIONS TO THE WAIVER? OKAY.
SO COMMISSIONER MCMASTER, IF YOU'D LIKE TO PROPOSE YOUR AMENDMENT, MY AMENDMENT WOULD BE TO IMPOSE THE CONDITION THAT THEY HAVE NO OTHER FREE STANDING SIGNS ON LOT SEVEN AS THEY SAID THEY WERE AGREEABLE TO EARLIER.
IS THERE A SECOND ON THAT CONDITION? YEAH, I'LL SECOND THAT.
NO, UH, AND WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON THE CONDITION.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WILL, IF, IF ANYBODY, IF THERE'S ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT, WHAT DOES, DO WE, DOES ANYONE HAND ANY COMMENTS IN RELATION? COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ? NOTHING.
IT'S ONLY ALLOWED SEVEN AND ONLY WAY BEFORE THAT LOUD.
UM, WELL, OKAY, SO THE MOTION RIGHT NOW
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IS FOR THE CONDITION TO AMEND THE ORIGINAL MOTION WITH THE CONDITION FOR, UM, ONE FREE FOR ONLY ONE FREE STANDING SIGN ON LOT SEVEN.THAT'S BY COMMISSIONER MCMASTER, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER OUTLAW.
DO, DO YOU NOT ALREADY HAVE YOU, DO YOU, DON'T YOU, DO YOU NOT ALREADY HAVE A SIGN ON LOT SEVEN? THERE'S NO CURRENT MULTITENANT SIGNS.
FREESTANDING SIGNS ON LOT SEVEN.
LOT SEVEN TENANTS ARE ON THE OTHER SIGN ON LOT SIX.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THAT.
SO THIS IS JUST FOR THE AMENDMENT.
OH, UM, OH, THERE, THEY'RE OKAY.
CAN WE PUBLISH THAT? SO THAT MOTION CARRIES.
SO THE NEW MOTION IS FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE WAIVER WITH THE CONDITION FOR ONLY ONE FREESTANDING SIGN ON LOT SEVEN, UM, MADE BY COMMISSIONER HECTOR, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER OUTLAW.
CAN WE PUBLISH THAT? THAT MOTION CARRIES.
[A. Requests by Commissioners to place items on a future Planning and Zoning Agenda]
BY COMMISSIONERS.UM, EMILY DID, WAS THERE AN UPDATE ON THE LAST REQUEST ON, UM, ADDING DATA CENTERS AS A USE TO OUR MATRIX? SO WE'RE HOPEFUL TO HAVE BOTH OF THE REQUESTED UC AMENDMENT AND WORKSHOP AT THE JULY MEETING.
ANYBODY ELSE? ANY OTHER REQUESTS? NO ANNOUNCEMENTS, NOTHING.
[C. Announcements by City Staff. City and community events attended and to be attended.]
I HAVE ONE ANNOUNCEMENT I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOU OR IF YOU HAVE NEVER MET CHRISTINA TEKE.SHE'S BEEN A PERMIT TECH WITH THE CITY OF SHIRTZ FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW AND IS NOW OUR NEW ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT.
SO YOU'LL BE SEEING CHRISTINA COME TO P AND Z MEETINGS, YOU'LL GET EMAILS FROM CHRISTINA, ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
SO JUST WANTED TO INTRODUCE CHRISTINA.
I LOOK FORWARD TO SERVING YOU ANY WAY POSSIBLE.
SO JUST LET ME KNOW IF I CAN DO ANYTHING FOR YOU.
OFFICIALLY STARTS ON THE 13TH, BUT I'VE BEEN WITH THE CITY FOR THREE YEARS.
SHE'S MARRIED TO A RETIRED BATTALION CHIEF.
ONE, ONE OF, YEAH, ONE OF MY GOOD, ONE OF MY GOOD FRIENDS.
ALRIGHT, WELL ALL THE OTHER INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE
[A. Current Projects and City Council Status Update ]
IN YOUR PACKET.